Yep Tommy Shepherd/Speed, and I'm glad that they didn't show him completely when he drowned, because Tommy has silver hair like his uncle Quicksilver which is cool because he has the same powers as Quicksilver@@qingakabenji9876
When she calles you a cowars, hit the deck - Lillia Expellae hoc malum - Alice Vulnus ab aqua curare - Jenn Don’t take all of it - Billy They all helped in that final batlle :)
35:29 it's because Agatha said to Rio that she didn't want to see her face when she dies The dead only see Rio's face when she takes them to the afterlife Therefore, not seing her face = not going the afterlife, therefore she got trapped on Earth as a Ghost
@@talesyuki Which she also technically did both before and after he surrendered himself. She said she would get him past the finish line which she did. She brought up that he had to surrender himself and that she could arrange that which did happen. She then offered him up which was the final part of the deal. Technically she did everything that she agreed to do before she gave up her life. It was only Rio's side of the deal that got changed in the final exchange. Agatha didn't die "a long long long long time from now" and Rio didn't take Billy. So Agatha held up her side of the bargain.
My Mom passed unexpectedly on Halloween 2016, also my daughter's 6th birthday. So my favorite day of the year has also been my least favorite day of the year ever since. Watching this series culminate into what is essentially a story about a son becoming his mother, and a Mother simply wanting more time with her son, on Halloween, was amazing. The Witches Road song holds so much more meaning to me forever more.
26:41 Do you remember what Agatha told Death last episode? Agatha told her that if she delivered Billy to her Death would have to release her--Agatha has been on borrowed time for a long time. For Agatha to live, she has to kill. Death cannot kill people indiscriminately; she has to follow the rules, and Agatha doesn't. When Agatha had a son, he was born with a terminal illness, one that looked like some sort of cancer, but I think that's what Death turned it into since she gave him time. Nicholas had as much time, as he (and his mother) was willing to kill. Nicholas couldn't do it anymore, so his illness rapidly got worse, and then he was gone. His death made Agatha bitter and angry, and she became more aggressive with her killings. Agatha kept killing to stave off death because she didn't want to see her son--she's been killing for more than 300 years to avoid meeting him and having to apologize ='( Even after death she couldn't go the great beyond, her fear allowed gave her something to latch onto, but perhaps that's also death's doing, since Death promised to never see her again. What a series! I can't wait for Vision Quest, the last part of this trilogy! Well done, MCU. Well done!
Agree with everything you said. Just want to add that while killing wiches to deal with her grief, I also believe Agatha was trying to get strong enough to bring Nicky back. In Wandavision, that does seem to be her endgoal.
@@talesyuki Definitely! She had the Darkhold for 330 years, from 1693 to 2023. She had plenty of time to read up on the Scarlet Witch, chaos magic, and its reality-warping capabilities. She got to see it firsthand--Wanda built her own happy reality, the perfect life. That's all Agatha ever wanted. A part of me also thinks that Agatha was trying to amass enough power to one day take on Death too, and had she had Wanda's power, she probably would have.
@@G1Transformed I was about to write this, it explains why Agatha was so power hungry. First, she killed to prolong her life/stay young/cheat Death and then after a while she got addicted to it and experienced power syndrome. That's why she seeked for the Darkhold and finally Chaos Magick, she wanted to take on Rio one day as she has been hating Rio since the day Rio took Nicky away from her. This motivation is also what change her mind to let Rio take Billy away and do the "Kiss of Death" instead. It wasn't about saving Billy, she just can't let Rio wins.
Witches dont need to kill to stay young or prolong their life tho. Lillia was older than Agatha and she didn’t kill any witches and Jen didn’t have ANY powers for the last hundred years and she’s still young and alive. Agatha killed for power. It was probably self defence with her original coven, but after that it was just for power, no matter what she told herself about keeping her son alive. I don’t think it helped at all. I think that’s just what Agatha told herself, so she could keep doing it, so she could feel okay about making Nicky help her, and so she could eventually blame Rio when Nicky eventually died. Even tho Rio gave her those years as a gift, because she loved her.
@@Drummer4President I do t recall saying that. However, Agatha has an ability no other witch has: the ability to siphon away a magical persons life force to which one’s powers are connected. I think that ability would indeed prolong her youth looks too. Regarding your claim that Lilia is older than Agatha, I disagree. Agatha is older than she is. Lilia’s dress from the flashback fits the aesthetic of 1600 Sicilian fashion. Agatha’s coven tried killing her in 1693 when she looked to be in her twenties, but we have no confirmation of her age. Agatha is something more than a witch, like Wanda. I think she’s a mutant in the MCU. That would fit since Wanda, Wiccan and Tommy are all mutants too.
Agatha was never a good person... she just loved a child. It is great storytelling because it gives us the realization that she would always be bad regardless, though she did the right thing at the end.
While the comics are nothing to really follow fully, I love that the ghostly Agatha is now following William like she did Wanda in 2015 comic series. I think it is a great way to keep Kathryn Haun in the series without losing a brilliant actor. And the whole story is literally Agatha All Along, she created the myth of the Witches road and coopted the song to take the power from other witches.
@@Jon_FM I hope they mirror Agatha's resurrection. In the comics, she was Wanda's mentor as a ghost and Wanda's mother brought her back to life. With her being Billy's mentor here instead, maybe Billy's mother will be the one to bring her back here. I'm thinking Wanda might resurrect her, maybe as a thank you for looking after Billy, helping him save Tommy and helping Billy find him.
No, MCU's Agatha has definitely not ever been a good person, but neither is she evil. She's been broken since childhood and losing Nicky broke her more. That doesn't, in any way, excuse her murder spree, though, it just means she's more complicated than just being evil.
Agatha is a flawed, and damaged person. Classic example of the idiom about a child not being given a seat around the fire burning down the village just to feel some warmth. She was denied love and support for centuries, and she became exactly what people made her. Her power is defensive, albeit lethal. Every single witch she lured I with the ballad attacked her full force with minimal prompting. She is not a bad person, she is a victim who finally had enough, and used other Witches slanderous lies and fables as her armor. Calling Agatha a bad person is like kicking a dog and then calling it a bad dog when it bites you back.
Nicholas was supposed to be stillborn. Rio gave Agatha a gift of his life . Infant mortality was around 35% in the 1700s in the US. Still, Agatha never forgave Rio.
I know some people are salty about Rio & Agatha's ending. I been team Agathario since the beginning, and I found this sacrifice was beautiful. Agatha couldn't save Nicky but this time she can, finally faced death. The kiss definitely wasn't a happily ever after kiss, but just a love & angsty kiss. Those flowers Rio created for Agatha's grave was just shows how much she loved Agatha. So beautiful and bittersweet honestly.
You are so wrong, Agatha did the "Kiss of Death" because she knew she had an unfinished business in the world and would turn into a ghost therefore Rio can't take her into the "afterlife", which what Rio always wants. Agatha has been hating Rio since Rio took Nicky away from her but Rio forced herself upon Agatha, wants to take Agatha's life unless they're back in relationship. There's no love in that kiss, it's 4D chess from Agatha because Agatha just can't let Rio wins by taking Billy's life because Agatha knew Rio is annoyed as hell with the emergence of Billy. Ghost Agatha mentoring Billy to full potential also means she gets to fulfill her mother role/maternal instinct and giving Billy a chance against Rio in the future, something she couldn't do with Nicky. And BTW a "Kiss of Death" is a metaphor to toxic relationship.
@@guitarfreak888I agree mostly, I do think rio and Agatha love eachother though seeing the sympathy and actual tears in rios face when she showed up to take Nicky the first time, and when she killed Agatha you can read her facial expression.
Vision Quest is the part three. WandaVision, Agatha All Along & Vision Quest. Tommy is rumored to be in that show, and they’ll start to film it next year
Just saw this explanation on TikTok and now the context for why Agatha had to kill all those witches makes sense. After finding out Death spared Nicholas life for a time, Agatha knew she’d be back to collect him. She was killing all those witches to keep Rio busy so that she wouldn’t come back to collect Nicholas. The more dead witches she piled up, the more Rio had to take time to process them all and the less likely she would come to collect Agatha’s son. That’s why it’s telling she finally comes to collect him, it’s a day they kill no witches and he says to Agatha, “it’s okay. We’ll kill more witches tomorrow.”
This show solidified Jac Schaefer S one of the MCU’s best storytellers imo. Between this show and WandaVision, I love how protagonist-driven these narratives are. *Nothing* happens in these stories that isn’t the direct result of the lead character’s flaws and psychology. I love that between Billy and Agatha we have a character clinging onto life for life’s sake, who sees life as the ultimate good, and a character running away from death not because she really wants to live, she just wants to die *less.*
@@DarthHoarder First, I didn't see you typed "Expanded Hex" anywhere. Second, the center of the Hex was WandaVision house and Agatha's house is on the same block with WandaVision house, so Jen's emerging out from The Road at "Welcome to Westview" sign must mean The Road was at least as large as the Hex since the center of The Road wasn't far from the center of the Hex. Third, were the coven flying on Hexenbesen in a circular manner ???
@@guitarfreak888 i typed +expanded range 😂 idk someone in youtube breakdown said starting and finished line was in the basement, idk why jen popped out near the sign 😂
Fun fact! The creator actually revealed what they had planned for Agatha and Rio's backstory. Basically Rio is Nicholas's father. Death is a cosmic entity and can really take whatever form it wants, it's not male or female. But this also explains why Nicholas wasn't supposed to live, Death can't create life.
Agatha told Rio that when she dies, she doesn’t wanna see her and Rio agreed to that so instead of taking her soul to the afterlife - we have Ghost!Agatha. Reminds me of when Rio mentioned how much she hates ghosts…the foreshadowing is insane. Besides, Agatha would’ve been too stubborn to walk beside her into the afterlife - her grief and shame over what she did after Nicky died is so strong that she simply can’t face her own child…she’d have to face everything she’s been running from for centuries, everything she’s been burying deep within her.
Agatha wasn’t always evil. She killed her coven because they tried to kill her. Then she killed everyday when she had her son Nicholas to distract death from them. That’s why the day rio took Nicholas was the same day she didn’t kill a witch. Then after he died she felt defeated and wanted to be more powerful so began killing and killing witches. The witches road was a scam strategy she used to lure and kill witches. Billy accidentally created the road when he was running from the seven sisters out of fear. Everything about this show is just genius. The Easter eggs, Lilia’s episode, ughh it’s so good.
Rio tells Agatha that Tommy is not here yet, he is kind of in the limbo of souls I think, I speculate Agatha proceeds to dream walk or transmute Billy into Tommy's wandering soul and also find some random dying boy so he can take his body. that was insane really cool sorcery Agatha has skills even w no power she used Billy
24:31 Before the advent of modern medicine, most women gave birth standing or squatting often with a wall or fence to hold on to. As it turns out, gravity helps a lot.
The finale really had me at my heartstrings. Agatha’s relationship with Nicholas reminded me so much of mine with my mother. The revelation that the Ballad of the Witches’ Road being originally created by Agatha and Nicholas as both a con method and their respective lullaby was surprisedly ingenious and sweet. It really broke my heart when Rio came for him, and Agatha descended into her innermost evil as a way to avoid coping and refusing to face him in the afterlife as she felt so much guilt. I do agree with Billy that Nicholas would’ve forgiven her. While I understand Billy’s guilty conscience for creating the Witches’ Road, it wasn’t really in vain. Sharon was reunited with her deceased husband, Alice finally broke her family’s curse, Lilia finally made peace with herself, Jen survived and was freed from her bonds, Rio got her bodies as well as her ex’s body, and Agatha finally took the first steps as she confronted her past. She may not be alive, but she can still help Billy find Tommy and be his guide until she feels ready to move on and be with Nicholas. Billy made the right choice to close the Witches’ Road and was kind of him to honor their fallen coven members. I have loved this series; I hope that we’ll get to see more of these iconic characters and talented cast and crew in future MCU projects. 👩🏻🤰🏻🤱🏻👩🏻🦳🧑🏻🦱👻🗣️🫂🎶🛣️✡️🎆✨⚡️📖🧪🛡️🪬🌺💀😱🤯🥺😭🤧🥲🥹😏😌🖤💜💙💚💛🩷🧡
I'm not exaggerating or being sarcastic when I say that the only way we can root for Agatha, is if she pays for her offenses with her literal life, and spends her afterlife looking out for a former victim of hers who still walks among the living.
Loved your reactions. I’ll just add that they won’t need to find a personal item for Agatha, ghosts only linger because they have unfinished business. She’ll move on to join Nicky when she’s ready.
*Agatha All Along* Episodes Ranked 1. 1x07: "Death's Hand in Mine" 2. 1x06: "Familiar by Thy Side" 3. 1x09: "Maiden Mother Crone" 4. 1x04: "If I Can't Reach You / Let My Song Teach You" 5. 1x08: "Follow Me My Friend / To Glory at the End" 6. 1x05: "Darkest Hour / Wake Thy Power" 7. 1x01: "Seekest Thou the Road" 8. 1x02: "Circle Sewn With Fate / Unlock Thy Hidden Gate" 9. 1x03: "Through Many Miles / Of Tricks and Trials"
Too much to write home about. I liked this series a lot from the jump. I love good performances, wardrobe and sets. I am into crime mystery and this is that with a supernatural them and properly done. I am into witch stuff when it's mindful. I already loved most of the cast so that was a plus. I had read some of the comics this drew like Witches for example so I could see the nods and liked it. And I love focal closure points in a story and that's where they went. If they would have not done that I would have been disappointed and that does happen with Marvel often because they edit stories to set up other things in their franchise. So my one issue of course was the cliffhanger at the end (really deserved an after credit scene about one of the other characters). I had bought some candy for this and a can of tuna for the cat of course. Some nice fall themed Tootsie Rolls. Well I tossed that dish across the living room when they ended on that note. I want it NOW, damn you! At least I wanted to see Tommy. Of course on the other because they did such a good job making me invested in this story and these characters. Overall it's great. I'm not sure how I rate this series yet. As a sequel of sorts it might be higher than WandaVision for me but maybe because it contained so many things that trip my trigger where WandaVision had less and was more MCU centric.
agatha was the only person that rio buried because agatha was the only person she ever loved. and now rio has to live eternity mourning the first and last person she ever loved.
One thing I've seen a lot of people get wrong is that Billy's reality powers are different from Wanda's. Wanda could only alter reality to look like something it wasn't, an illusion. Billy's are stronger, he can transform his wishes into reality permanently. He wanted the Road to find his brother so he created the Road and got what he wanted
This. When Billy got back home in Eastview and took a shower, The Witches' Road was still there, underground in Westview. Only when Billy got back into Agatha's basement later, The Witches' Road got "disassembled" and "re-purposed" by its "creator" into a monument to remember his coven. But if all that are true, was Black Bolt losing his mouth an illusion ???
@guitarfreak888 no. I'm saying that when it comes to reality powers, like the Hex and the Apple trees in Multiverse of Madness, Wanda's powers are only superficial like a mask over something. Billy's powers, unlike Wanda's, are not mere alterations but creation of matter itself which is one of his powers in the comics, the ability to make his wishes come true just by saying them out loud.
@@Gabrielclarke15 Yes, but what about Black Bolt's mouth in MoM ??? One of the Illuminati ??? I'm starting to get a feel you don't know who Black Bolt is/was. His mouth disappeared in MoM when Wanda said "What mouth ?". Was it an illusion ???
@@Gabrielclarke15 Yes, but what about Black Bolt's mouth in MoM ? One of the Illuminati ?? I'm starting to get a feeling that you don't know/forget who BB is. BB's mouth disappeared in MoM when Wanda said "What mouth ?". Was it just an illusion by Wanda ???
@@Gabrielclarke15 Did you not see my question or you forget who Black Bolt was in MoM ??? Let me ask you again, was what happened in MoM with Black Bolt's mouth an illusion ???
Is there any significance to Billy having triggered all but the first trial's countdown? But this series has been incredible. Eps 1-6 were excellent. The last 3 episodes turned it to some of the best TV I have seen in years. The plot, the writing, the cinematography, the acting, all exceptional! And the costumes!!! Kathryn Hahn is perfect as the center of the entire thing. Joe Locke is incredible. Everyone acted their asses off. But Sasheer Zamata is a REVELATION! She didn't get as much as to do as Kathryn or Joe or Patti but she totally crushed what she WAS given! By far the best Marvel series and (IMO) the best thing they have done since Endgame.
What I don't understand is, if the road was just a scam and she fully expected to take the power of our main cast, why did she warn Lilia not to blast her when recruiting her?
Maybe because she knew Lilia's power wasn't the blasty kind, so it wouldn't work. Same with Jen, why recruit her when she had no powers? They could have been just bait to get an active witch, like Alice.
Lilia had just accused her if trying to take her power. Agatha was saying anything to convince her to join so she could get them all together. Though I dont think her plan wouldve worked cause after they sang Lilia had completely figured out Agatha wanted them to all blast her with magic
Agatha was trying to assemble a coven to play along with Billy, Agatha knew from Day 1 there's no Witches' Road. Agatha told Lilia her power to earn her trust so the coven can be assembled so she can continue to play along with Billy to know how far she'd get. She already suspected Billy as Wanda's son from Day 1. The scene with the pentagon door to the Witches' Road, Agatha knew Jen is powerless and Lilia wouldn't blast her but she knew Alice is a Protection Witch. Agatha provoked everyone as per her usual MO but her target was for Alice to blast her like Alice did in eps 5. Agatha just got out of Wanda's spell with no power, she'd take anything she can get.
Agatha killed witches to keep rio bussy with the bodies so she doesn’t come for nicholas and that one time they didn’t kill any witches rio came for nicholas
@zemoxian They actually just recently announced another series after Vision Quest but they haven't said what it's about yet but it is going to be another spinoff series
First things first, this show is a testament of what a good writing is and what Marvel Studio is capable of. This show is so so much better than all of Secret Invasion, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Hawkeye and Echo combined. There's certainly a woke element to this but it doesn't matter if the writing is spot on. What we don't wanna see is woke agenda being churned without good writings. I hope Marvel Studio finally realizes this. That aside, Agatha literally dies because of the "Kiss of Death", a metaphor of toxic relationship. Agatha has been hating Rio since Rio took Nicky away from her but Rio was forcing herself on Agatha by wanting to take Agatha's live unless they're back on their relationship. It is implied that Agatha was on the run from Rio before the event of Wandavision and hence the Darkhold and Agatha wanting Chaos Magick (Scarlet Witch's power), both to fight Rio. So Agatha wasn't just sacrificing herself, that line from Billy reminded Agatha of her personal vendetta with Rio and Agatha knows letting Billy alive is a mess Rio wouldn't like to have on her plate because it would annoy Rio for eternity. So Agatha deliberately dies (a calculated risk or so) to turn into a ghost (those who have unfinished business) at the last minute, so she can mess with Rio even more by aiding Billy finding Tommy and also mentoring him at the same time, since Rio would definitely come back for the two brothers in the future. My prediction, Agatha will mentor Billy to full potential and in the future, Billy is the one who's able to take on Wanda when she becomes the lover of Doom in Secret Wars.
Jac Schaefer, and (most of) her WandaVision - Agatha All Along team, aren’t part of Vision Quest… so I’m less optimistic on how that series will turn out, if that’s where Tommy will return.
12:28 Not even respectfully. She's been an awful person that did awful things to others. I wonder how the MCU is going to handle Quicksilver being a part of things now.
That kid didn't "almost" drown. He did drown, and Billy helped Tommy take his corpse.
And going off the comics, that kid was most likely called: Thomas Shepherd
Yep Tommy Shepherd/Speed, and I'm glad that they didn't show him completely when he drowned, because Tommy has silver hair like his uncle Quicksilver which is cool because he has the same powers as Quicksilver@@qingakabenji9876
I guess, not giving him a chance to be revived (like by CPR and stuff).
That's also a reason why Rio didn't pursue him there too. Agatha did indeed guide Billy to find someone that destiny to die.
@@zenithquasar9623 The vessel (body) has to be empty first, so no coming back once your soul's passe over (guided by Rio).
Someone on Twitter pointed out that in Agatha's "true crime" reality, Nicholas had a certificate for singing.
Whoahh
Rio’s not just the Grim Reaper. She’s the very concept of Death itself.
Yeah she along with Eternity, Infinity and Oblivion are the 4 main cosmic entities that is aspects of Reality
When she calles you a cowars, hit the deck - Lillia
Expellae hoc malum - Alice
Vulnus ab aqua curare - Jenn
Don’t take all of it - Billy
They all helped in that final batlle :)
35:29 it's because Agatha said to Rio that she didn't want to see her face when she dies
The dead only see Rio's face when she takes them to the afterlife
Therefore, not seing her face = not going the afterlife, therefore she got trapped on Earth as a Ghost
Yeah but that was only if Rio got Billy. Why would Rio still honor that agreement? She just lost both Billy and Agatha? xD
@@talesyuki Technically it was if he "surrendered himself" which he technically did.
@plothole181 oooh, and that would explain the "calculated risk" comment
@@plothole181 to be fair I was watching a reaction and her words were "If I deliver him..."
@@talesyuki Which she also technically did both before and after he surrendered himself. She said she would get him past the finish line which she did. She brought up that he had to surrender himself and that she could arrange that which did happen. She then offered him up which was the final part of the deal. Technically she did everything that she agreed to do before she gave up her life. It was only Rio's side of the deal that got changed in the final exchange. Agatha didn't die "a long long long long time from now" and Rio didn't take Billy. So Agatha held up her side of the bargain.
My Mom passed unexpectedly on Halloween 2016, also my daughter's 6th birthday. So my favorite day of the year has also been my least favorite day of the year ever since. Watching this series culminate into what is essentially a story about a son becoming his mother, and a Mother simply wanting more time with her son, on Halloween, was amazing. The Witches Road song holds so much more meaning to me forever more.
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26:41 Do you remember what Agatha told Death last episode? Agatha told her that if she delivered Billy to her Death would have to release her--Agatha has been on borrowed time for a long time. For Agatha to live, she has to kill. Death cannot kill people indiscriminately; she has to follow the rules, and Agatha doesn't. When Agatha had a son, he was born with a terminal illness, one that looked like some sort of cancer, but I think that's what Death turned it into since she gave him time. Nicholas had as much time, as he (and his mother) was willing to kill. Nicholas couldn't do it anymore, so his illness rapidly got worse, and then he was gone. His death made Agatha bitter and angry, and she became more aggressive with her killings.
Agatha kept killing to stave off death because she didn't want to see her son--she's been killing for more than 300 years to avoid meeting him and having to apologize ='( Even after death she couldn't go the great beyond, her fear allowed gave her something to latch onto, but perhaps that's also death's doing, since Death promised to never see her again.
What a series! I can't wait for Vision Quest, the last part of this trilogy! Well done, MCU. Well done!
Agree with everything you said. Just want to add that while killing wiches to deal with her grief, I also believe Agatha was trying to get strong enough to bring Nicky back. In Wandavision, that does seem to be her endgoal.
@@talesyuki Definitely! She had the Darkhold for 330 years, from 1693 to 2023. She had plenty of time to read up on the Scarlet Witch, chaos magic, and its reality-warping capabilities.
She got to see it firsthand--Wanda built her own happy reality, the perfect life. That's all Agatha ever wanted.
A part of me also thinks that Agatha was trying to amass enough power to one day take on Death too, and had she had Wanda's power, she probably would have.
@@G1Transformed I was about to write this, it explains why Agatha was so power hungry. First, she killed to prolong her life/stay young/cheat Death and then after a while she got addicted to it and experienced power syndrome. That's why she seeked for the Darkhold and finally Chaos Magick, she wanted to take on Rio one day as she has been hating Rio since the day Rio took Nicky away from her. This motivation is also what change her mind to let Rio take Billy away and do the "Kiss of Death" instead. It wasn't about saving Billy, she just can't let Rio wins.
Witches dont need to kill to stay young or prolong their life tho. Lillia was older than Agatha and she didn’t kill any witches and Jen didn’t have ANY powers for the last hundred years and she’s still young and alive.
Agatha killed for power. It was probably self defence with her original coven, but after that it was just for power, no matter what she told herself about keeping her son alive. I don’t think it helped at all. I think that’s just what Agatha told herself, so she could keep doing it, so she could feel okay about making Nicky help her, and so she could eventually blame Rio when Nicky eventually died. Even tho Rio gave her those years as a gift, because she loved her.
@@Drummer4President I do t recall saying that. However, Agatha has an ability no other witch has: the ability to siphon away a magical persons life force to which one’s powers are connected. I think that ability would indeed prolong her youth looks too.
Regarding your claim that Lilia is older than Agatha, I disagree. Agatha is older than she is. Lilia’s dress from the flashback fits the aesthetic of 1600 Sicilian fashion. Agatha’s coven tried killing her in 1693 when she looked to be in her twenties, but we have no confirmation of her age.
Agatha is something more than a witch, like Wanda. I think she’s a mutant in the MCU. That would fit since Wanda, Wiccan and Tommy are all mutants too.
Agatha was never a good person... she just loved a child. It is great storytelling because it gives us the realization that she would always be bad regardless, though she did the right thing at the end.
While the comics are nothing to really follow fully, I love that the ghostly Agatha is now following William like she did Wanda in 2015 comic series. I think it is a great way to keep Kathryn Haun in the series without losing a brilliant actor. And the whole story is literally Agatha All Along, she created the myth of the Witches road and coopted the song to take the power from other witches.
@@Jon_FM I hope they mirror Agatha's resurrection. In the comics, she was Wanda's mentor as a ghost and Wanda's mother brought her back to life. With her being Billy's mentor here instead, maybe Billy's mother will be the one to bring her back here. I'm thinking Wanda might resurrect her, maybe as a thank you for looking after Billy, helping him save Tommy and helping Billy find him.
No, MCU's Agatha has definitely not ever been a good person, but neither is she evil. She's been broken since childhood and losing Nicky broke her more. That doesn't, in any way, excuse her murder spree, though, it just means she's more complicated than just being evil.
Agatha is a flawed, and damaged person. Classic example of the idiom about a child not being given a seat around the fire burning down the village just to feel some warmth. She was denied love and support for centuries, and she became exactly what people made her. Her power is defensive, albeit lethal. Every single witch she lured I with the ballad attacked her full force with minimal prompting. She is not a bad person, she is a victim who finally had enough, and used other Witches slanderous lies and fables as her armor. Calling Agatha a bad person is like kicking a dog and then calling it a bad dog when it bites you back.
@StarkRG Why is everything reminding me of William Afton? 😅
I’m glad that Agatha did not get a redemption arc. It’s best to leave her as evil and unpredictable. Love her character!
Nicholas was supposed to be stillborn. Rio gave Agatha a gift of his life . Infant mortality was around 35% in the 1700s in the US. Still, Agatha never forgave Rio.
No matter what Rio did Agatha will see her as the bad guy
I know some people are salty about Rio & Agatha's ending. I been team Agathario since the beginning, and I found this sacrifice was beautiful. Agatha couldn't save Nicky but this time she can, finally faced death. The kiss definitely wasn't a happily ever after kiss, but just a love & angsty kiss. Those flowers Rio created for Agatha's grave was just shows how much she loved Agatha. So beautiful and bittersweet honestly.
i think the majory of the agathario fans are just sad we didn't get a "how did they fall in love" flashback
Yeah that's my only issue, is that I was invested in how Death fell in love with a mortal. But I enjoyed every episode.
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You are so wrong, Agatha did the "Kiss of Death" because she knew she had an unfinished business in the world and would turn into a ghost therefore Rio can't take her into the "afterlife", which what Rio always wants. Agatha has been hating Rio since Rio took Nicky away from her but Rio forced herself upon Agatha, wants to take Agatha's life unless they're back in relationship.
There's no love in that kiss, it's 4D chess from Agatha because Agatha just can't let Rio wins by taking Billy's life because Agatha knew Rio is annoyed as hell with the emergence of Billy. Ghost Agatha mentoring Billy to full potential also means she gets to fulfill her mother role/maternal instinct and giving Billy a chance against Rio in the future, something she couldn't do with Nicky.
And BTW a "Kiss of Death" is a metaphor to toxic relationship.
@@guitarfreak888I agree mostly, I do think rio and Agatha love eachother though seeing the sympathy and actual tears in rios face when she showed up to take Nicky the first time, and when she killed Agatha you can read her facial expression.
I enjoyed the comic-accurate costumes of Agatha Harkness, Wiccan, and Death. This series is fantastic from beginning to end.
Vision Quest is the part three. WandaVision, Agatha All Along & Vision Quest.
Tommy is rumored to be in that show, and they’ll start to film it next year
I wish they could show more agatha and rio's story. I have so many questions
This finale was so sad and heartbreaking at the same time! Loved your reaction to it! ❤
Just saw this explanation on TikTok and now the context for why Agatha had to kill all those witches makes sense. After finding out Death spared Nicholas life for a time, Agatha knew she’d be back to collect him.
She was killing all those witches to keep Rio busy so that she wouldn’t come back to collect Nicholas. The more dead witches she piled up, the more Rio had to take time to process them all and the less likely she would come to collect Agatha’s son.
That’s why it’s telling she finally comes to collect him, it’s a day they kill no witches and he says to Agatha, “it’s okay. We’ll kill more witches tomorrow.”
Ohhhh that definitely makes sense
lady death's love life is crazy
This show solidified Jac Schaefer S one of the MCU’s best storytellers imo. Between this show and WandaVision, I love how protagonist-driven these narratives are. *Nothing* happens in these stories that isn’t the direct result of the lead character’s flaws and psychology.
I love that between Billy and Agatha we have a character clinging onto life for life’s sake, who sees life as the ultimate good, and a character running away from death not because she really wants to live, she just wants to die *less.*
He put his hood up in Westview like Wanda in Wandavision just like Mom
The road is like the mini hex in wandavision+underground
It's not mini, look at where Jen emerges out at, roughly the same point where Monica Rambeau "disappeared" into the Hex.
@guitarfreak888 what i mean is its tiny compared to Wanda's hex(whole west view+expanded range) billy's hex is also revolving in a circle underground
@@DarthHoarder First, I didn't see you typed "Expanded Hex" anywhere. Second, the center of the Hex was WandaVision house and Agatha's house is on the same block with WandaVision house, so Jen's emerging out from The Road at "Welcome to Westview" sign must mean The Road was at least as large as the Hex since the center of The Road wasn't far from the center of the Hex. Third, were the coven flying on Hexenbesen in a circular manner ???
@@guitarfreak888 i typed +expanded range 😂 idk someone in youtube breakdown said starting and finished line was in the basement, idk why jen popped out near the sign 😂
Fun fact! The creator actually revealed what they had planned for Agatha and Rio's backstory. Basically Rio is Nicholas's father. Death is a cosmic entity and can really take whatever form it wants, it's not male or female. But this also explains why Nicholas wasn't supposed to live, Death can't create life.
Agatha told Rio that when she dies, she doesn’t wanna see her and Rio agreed to that so instead of taking her soul to the afterlife - we have Ghost!Agatha. Reminds me of when Rio mentioned how much she hates ghosts…the foreshadowing is insane. Besides, Agatha would’ve been too stubborn to walk beside her into the afterlife - her grief and shame over what she did after Nicky died is so strong that she simply can’t face her own child…she’d have to face everything she’s been running from for centuries, everything she’s been burying deep within her.
Agatha wasn’t always evil. She killed her coven because they tried to kill her. Then she killed everyday when she had her son Nicholas to distract death from them. That’s why the day rio took Nicholas was the same day she didn’t kill a witch. Then after he died she felt defeated and wanted to be more powerful so began killing and killing witches. The witches road was a scam strategy she used to lure and kill witches. Billy accidentally created the road when he was running from the seven sisters out of fear. Everything about this show is just genius. The Easter eggs, Lilia’s episode, ughh it’s so good.
I binged all of your Agatha reactions today and I loved seeing where your kitten was in each video. So cute!
Rio tells Agatha that Tommy is not here yet, he is kind of in the limbo of souls I think, I speculate Agatha proceeds to dream walk or transmute Billy into Tommy's wandering soul and also find some random dying boy so he can take his body. that was insane really cool sorcery Agatha has skills even w no power she used Billy
24:31 Before the advent of modern medicine, most women gave birth standing or squatting often with a wall or fence to hold on to. As it turns out, gravity helps a lot.
i think agatha killed all those witches to keep rio distracted
There will be more of the show. Part 1 was Wandavision, part 2 Agatha and Part 3 is Vision Quest
The finale really had me at my heartstrings. Agatha’s relationship with Nicholas reminded me so much of mine with my mother. The revelation that the Ballad of the Witches’ Road being originally created by Agatha and Nicholas as both a con method and their respective lullaby was surprisedly ingenious and sweet. It really broke my heart when Rio came for him, and Agatha descended into her innermost evil as a way to avoid coping and refusing to face him in the afterlife as she felt so much guilt. I do agree with Billy that Nicholas would’ve forgiven her. While I understand Billy’s guilty conscience for creating the Witches’ Road, it wasn’t really in vain. Sharon was reunited with her deceased husband, Alice finally broke her family’s curse, Lilia finally made peace with herself, Jen survived and was freed from her bonds, Rio got her bodies as well as her ex’s body, and Agatha finally took the first steps as she confronted her past. She may not be alive, but she can still help Billy find Tommy and be his guide until she feels ready to move on and be with Nicholas. Billy made the right choice to close the Witches’ Road and was kind of him to honor their fallen coven members. I have loved this series; I hope that we’ll get to see more of these iconic characters and talented cast and crew in future MCU projects.
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Magic in the MCU is tragic and triumphant
Magick.
I just need an AgathaRio backstory tbh. I hope they release an early special next year or something
I'm not exaggerating or being sarcastic when I say that the only way we can root for Agatha, is if she pays for her offenses with her literal life, and spends her afterlife looking out for a former victim of hers who still walks among the living.
I am mesmerized by the kitty sleeping in the background
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She is perfect
Loved your reactions. I’ll just add that they won’t need to find a personal item for Agatha, ghosts only linger because they have unfinished business. She’ll move on to join Nicky when she’s ready.
*Agatha All Along* Episodes Ranked
1. 1x07: "Death's Hand in Mine"
2. 1x06: "Familiar by Thy Side"
3. 1x09: "Maiden Mother Crone"
4. 1x04: "If I Can't Reach You / Let My Song Teach You"
5. 1x08: "Follow Me My Friend / To Glory at the End"
6. 1x05: "Darkest Hour / Wake Thy Power"
7. 1x01: "Seekest Thou the Road"
8. 1x02: "Circle Sewn With Fate / Unlock Thy Hidden Gate"
9. 1x03: "Through Many Miles / Of Tricks and Trials"
Billy is so powerful he has been holding brothers soul in comics
For context, Billie actually did save a life. Agatha was going to kill all of them in her basement at the beginning before the door appeared.
Too much to write home about. I liked this series a lot from the jump. I love good performances, wardrobe and sets. I am into crime mystery and this is that with a supernatural them and properly done. I am into witch stuff when it's mindful. I already loved most of the cast so that was a plus. I had read some of the comics this drew like Witches for example so I could see the nods and liked it. And I love focal closure points in a story and that's where they went. If they would have not done that I would have been disappointed and that does happen with Marvel often because they edit stories to set up other things in their franchise.
So my one issue of course was the cliffhanger at the end (really deserved an after credit scene about one of the other characters). I had bought some candy for this and a can of tuna for the cat of course. Some nice fall themed Tootsie Rolls. Well I tossed that dish across the living room when they ended on that note. I want it NOW, damn you! At least I wanted to see Tommy. Of course on the other because they did such a good job making me invested in this story and these characters. Overall it's great. I'm not sure how I rate this series yet. As a sequel of sorts it might be higher than WandaVision for me but maybe because it contained so many things that trip my trigger where WandaVision had less and was more MCU centric.
agatha was the only person that rio buried because agatha was the only person she ever loved. and now rio has to live eternity mourning the first and last person she ever loved.
Billy...... sometimes boys die 🥲
Thank you, Emme! 🧙♀
Damn, the wind almost sounded like the TARDIS at 31:56.
One thing I've seen a lot of people get wrong is that Billy's reality powers are different from Wanda's. Wanda could only alter reality to look like something it wasn't, an illusion. Billy's are stronger, he can transform his wishes into reality permanently. He wanted the Road to find his brother so he created the Road and got what he wanted
This. When Billy got back home in Eastview and took a shower, The Witches' Road was still there, underground in Westview. Only when Billy got back into Agatha's basement later, The Witches' Road got "disassembled" and "re-purposed" by its "creator" into a monument to remember his coven. But if all that are true, was Black Bolt losing his mouth an illusion ???
@guitarfreak888 no. I'm saying that when it comes to reality powers, like the Hex and the Apple trees in Multiverse of Madness, Wanda's powers are only superficial like a mask over something. Billy's powers, unlike Wanda's, are not mere alterations but creation of matter itself which is one of his powers in the comics, the ability to make his wishes come true just by saying them out loud.
@@Gabrielclarke15 Yes, but what about Black Bolt's mouth in MoM ??? One of the Illuminati ??? I'm starting to get a feel you don't know who Black Bolt is/was. His mouth disappeared in MoM when Wanda said "What mouth ?". Was it an illusion ???
@@Gabrielclarke15 Yes, but what about Black Bolt's mouth in MoM ? One of the Illuminati ?? I'm starting to get a feeling that you don't know/forget who BB is. BB's mouth disappeared in MoM when Wanda said "What mouth ?". Was it just an illusion by Wanda ???
@@Gabrielclarke15 Did you not see my question or you forget who Black Bolt was in MoM ??? Let me ask you again, was what happened in MoM with Black Bolt's mouth an illusion ???
VisionQuest is coming.
Nick and Agatha made song walk the witches road not real until Billy aka Wiccan made it
Billy created road just like Wandavision in Westview
Agatha tricked Rio by kissing her she made herself a ghost Remember Rio said she hates ghost she can't control them
Is there any significance to Billy having triggered all but the first trial's countdown? But this series has been incredible. Eps 1-6 were excellent. The last 3 episodes turned it to some of the best TV I have seen in years. The plot, the writing, the cinematography, the acting, all exceptional! And the costumes!!! Kathryn Hahn is perfect as the center of the entire thing. Joe Locke is incredible. Everyone acted their asses off. But Sasheer Zamata is a REVELATION! She didn't get as much as to do as Kathryn or Joe or Patti but she totally crushed what she WAS given! By far the best Marvel series and (IMO) the best thing they have done since Endgame.
The door was a freaking hexagon how did we miss that.
It's a pentagon actually 😅
Pentagon.
@@humam9189 oopps
@@guitarfreak888 ooops
She is THE Green Witch....death and rebirth
If you include “I Am Groot” & the two Specials, there are 50 MCU projects. “Agatha” falls within my top 20.
guess it was the kiss of death
I think Agatha steals the life from the witches to give Nicky. The.night after the trap failed, he died.
Happy Halloween, everybody.
14:10- Latin exam in college.
Also, if Billy counts all the deaths on the Road as kills, did Billy kill the Salem Seven?
He didn't kill anyone
What I don't understand is, if the road was just a scam and she fully expected to take the power of our main cast, why did she warn Lilia not to blast her when recruiting her?
Maybe because she knew Lilia's power wasn't the blasty kind, so it wouldn't work. Same with Jen, why recruit her when she had no powers? They could have been just bait to get an active witch, like Alice.
And do not forget Sharon Davis. She might be a witch eventually, but she would not know how to blast Agatha during that singing of the road.
Lilia had just accused her if trying to take her power. Agatha was saying anything to convince her to join so she could get them all together. Though I dont think her plan wouldve worked cause after they sang Lilia had completely figured out Agatha wanted them to all blast her with magic
Agatha was trying to assemble a coven to play along with Billy, Agatha knew from Day 1 there's no Witches' Road. Agatha told Lilia her power to earn her trust so the coven can be assembled so she can continue to play along with Billy to know how far she'd get. She already suspected Billy as Wanda's son from Day 1.
The scene with the pentagon door to the Witches' Road, Agatha knew Jen is powerless and Lilia wouldn't blast her but she knew Alice is a Protection Witch. Agatha provoked everyone as per her usual MO but her target was for Alice to blast her like Alice did in eps 5. Agatha just got out of Wanda's spell with no power, she'd take anything she can get.
Actually it's a very potent binding ritual
The finale reminded me of Arrival
Agatha killed witches to keep rio bussy with the bodies so she doesn’t come for nicholas and that one time they didn’t kill any witches rio came for nicholas
Jen Kale is the cousin of Ghostrider
There's gonna be two more Wandavision spinoff shows to finish this story
I’ve only heard of Vision Quest after this. Unless you’re including the Wanda solo film? The three series is considered a trilogy, I think.
@zemoxian They actually just recently announced another series after Vision Quest but they haven't said what it's about yet but it is going to be another spinoff series
@zemoxian Rumor going on saying it's a Wiccan serie after vision quest, but you know rumor lol
I am sad I want more and not ready to the show ending was really good 😮
Billy very very powerful just like Mom created everything spontaneous creation
First things first, this show is a testament of what a good writing is and what Marvel Studio is capable of. This show is so so much better than all of Secret Invasion, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Hawkeye and Echo combined. There's certainly a woke element to this but it doesn't matter if the writing is spot on. What we don't wanna see is woke agenda being churned without good writings. I hope Marvel Studio finally realizes this.
That aside, Agatha literally dies because of the "Kiss of Death", a metaphor of toxic relationship. Agatha has been hating Rio since Rio took Nicky away from her but Rio was forcing herself on Agatha by wanting to take Agatha's live unless they're back on their relationship. It is implied that Agatha was on the run from Rio before the event of Wandavision and hence the Darkhold and Agatha wanting Chaos Magick (Scarlet Witch's power), both to fight Rio.
So Agatha wasn't just sacrificing herself, that line from Billy reminded Agatha of her personal vendetta with Rio and Agatha knows letting Billy alive is a mess Rio wouldn't like to have on her plate because it would annoy Rio for eternity. So Agatha deliberately dies (a calculated risk or so) to turn into a ghost (those who have unfinished business) at the last minute, so she can mess with Rio even more by aiding Billy finding Tommy and also mentoring him at the same time, since Rio would definitely come back for the two brothers in the future.
My prediction, Agatha will mentor Billy to full potential and in the future, Billy is the one who's able to take on Wanda when she becomes the lover of Doom in Secret Wars.
Jac Schaefer, and (most of) her WandaVision - Agatha All Along team, aren’t part of Vision Quest… so I’m less optimistic on how that series will turn out, if that’s where Tommy will return.
I want more :(
It would be amazing if agatha said “lets go find Toby”😅😅😅
I'm not sure how Agatha killed all those witches who didn't seem to be attacking her. I mean in the days when Nicholas was alive and part of her scam.
Mochi is sleeping in the background!!! >.
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Not even respectfully. She's been an awful person that did awful things to others.
I wonder how the MCU is going to handle Quicksilver being a part of things now.
That did not feel like the show ended, felt like there's an episode 10 coming.
Lady Death is in comics she dated Thanos very weird😂
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You know Agatha is gonna possess Thor temporarily at some point, it’s inevitable…
That would be hilarious if that happens 🤣
Don’t tell Disney, but I preferred to see the show this way rather than just watch it myself. 🙀😹