Yup. Just need the guy who whines about Sam's "clickbait" now to complete the picture! Maybe NOW they will finally build the Semi. Semi adoption will be driven by SPREADSHEETS and economics, not emotion. But, when trucks go electric and truck DRIVERS get used to electric and comfortable with it, it will do a bunch to change the attitude on EVs in general.
@@capnkirk5528 Commercial really is where the EV revolution will rise in the USA followed by consumers. As you said, it is all about economics and businesses understand that a lot more than the consumers given certain industries. However, having said that, if Tesla rolls out the 25K EV, I gotta believe that will move the needle dramatically as far as consumer adoption also. Everytime I think about the 11K to 15K China cars and how nice they look and even Elon praises them and the rest of the world is buying them, the USA can't keep them out forever. Maybe just enough for at least Telsa to compete
I would also expect that manufacturing throughput should be much higher because they don't have to do that drying step with evaporation which I would expect uses a lot of energy and slows down the throughput.
Range ? Range ? Range !!. Price price price, reliability, reliability, reliability. Long-term replacement costs. Nothing else really matters. Test it in North Dakota in the coldest part of winter, pulling snowmobiles on a heavy trailer going into a fifty mile an hour wind and sideways snowstorm.
Using the same battery pack it gives the RD M3 a range of 616km, or reduce the number of cells and reduce battery pack weight by 80Kg, down to 400kg. The lower weight will improve range. So lower the number of cells to get the same range. Amazing.
Imagine you could fit three DRY production lines in the same space vs wet. Now imagine you could make it 3 times faster.Because you don't have to wait for it to dry. This means that in two identical sized factories one producing wet one producing dry, If the wet one is producing 1000 batteries a day. The dry one is producing 6-9000 batteries per day. Now tell me the cost difference would NOT be enormous😅
If I were to buy a CT, I think I'd rather have the 400 mile range, since you don't really get 400, and it would let you use the truck to tow something and still get over 200 miles range.
Tesla did not buy dry cathode patents from Maxwell tech, but the actual battery manufacture line tech... The assembly line that makes the cells. So Tesla had to adapt the assembly line to battery cell assembly. dry cathode tech was difficult to invent. This was the bottleneck
That's not what I saw in 2019. The said they were buying Maxwell co. For their DBE patents and the workers. Then they sold off, a few months later, the capacitor division.
So the best electric car ever will be a 2025, Model Y Juniper with dry electrode 4680, made in USA batteries, qualifying for tax credits. THAT will be a game changer for me if i can afford one.
It's not just About increasing the energy density the biggest benefit To the dry cathode is that they will be able to increase production Literally 2-3 fold. Anytime you double production you reduce your cause by at least ten percent. This could mean BOTH A twenty percent increase in density and a thirty to 40 percent reduction in cost
Supply chain issues. China is the only source for many commodities needed in the production process. Since they own the supply chains and produce a cheaper better product, Tesla will be relegated to the dustbin of history.
The ones I've read about are full tab forming, collecting plate welding, laser sealing and dry coating. It seems like they potentially might have resolved some if not all of these issue, but it wouldn't be the first time Elon has exaggerated things, putting the cart before the horse. We need to see mass production occur with no hiccups before we can consider the bottleneck resolved. Don't tell me Elon show me.
@@Mrbfgray i've driven tesla models and many other ev's. latest chinese ev's are so far ahead in their offerings. so in comparison, tesla still sucks big time at the same price points. how many new tesla models can you choose from anyway?
Has Tesla fixed the dry ANODE problem? All LiIon cells for years have had increased energy density from Silicon embedded in the graphite anode. It's what increased the 18650 cells from 1.3Ah to over 3Ah in every drill sold by Home Depot and everyone else.. And the 4680 cells have always lacked Silicon in the dry anodes (as well as having wet-process cathodes.) Has Tesla said anything about having fixed this?
I love to hear about these technical innovations because they get us closer to energy sustainability. I'm bummed out about the huge wildfire in northern California. Jeannine
Negative and positive cathodes? I thought the 6480 was a battery cell, not and electrolytic cell... If galvanic (power storage) cells, cathodes are always positive (OK, negative when charging...). The negative electrode is called the "anode". Tesla has been manufacturing all the anodes it needs, using a DBE process, for some time now, but has been purchasing finished cathodes (manufactured with a wet process).
I think having the biggest, best battery is great but when you can make your own and it is good enough we need to be satisfied. Does a car need more the 400 miles of range? We never needed it before. Lighter & more efficient should be the goal.
While the average person may not need it, there is a minority who like or have to drive long distances. Taxi or delivery drivers. Those that love to drive away while on vacation. And 400miles is 😮in ideal cobditions. In colder or hillier conditions, owners haven't been getting 400 miles.
If you want to use a truck for hauling a big trailer, you are going to need that kind of unloaded range to have a decent shot at making long journeys acceptable. The supercharger network makes driving a Tesla car around the US very feasible. Those two and a half hour stretches are going to consume a heck of a lot more power pulling a heavy load with poor aerodynamics. That's when the extra capacity becomes important, and that's why I'm kind of saddened that the range extender both has to exist and is also something that has to be installed by a service center. I have an invitation to order a Founders Edition truck. I can't bring myself to pull the trigger on it right now.
@@adamdarrow Yes specially the Shenzin plus is top LFP battery but I don't think Tesla will start to use that mainly in the next 1-2 years, may be after 2 years. The reason is because the price will increase if they use Shenzin plus from CATL.
He threatened to close the project if "the solution" wasn't discovered. Well, how de do, they discovered it--- filed years ago in an envelope ! This is standard...job security. But there's a limit to the suckling. A wise leader knows where that limit is.
Sam, do you think that the constant stream of EV improvements makes potential customers reluctant to buy either a used EV or a new one because of the promise of a better EV just down the road? I’m a Tesla investor and feel that way and have been waiting for the Juniper to be sold.
While Tesla is ramping everything up constantly, we are at a point where current vehicles are already really good and the range is enough. It is already more convenient to own Tesla than an ICE car so I wouldn't be too worried. I am currently looking for a used model Y.
Yeah, striking that balance is important, and there will always be some users who are outliers and dissatisfied with all options that research has determined makes sense.
The sensible way to increase range is to reduce energy consumption , which means to reduce the prime mover power consumption . Use lower horsepower motors. It is that simple.
TEV, the key is production in bulk. Short run/one off production has been possible for quite some time but being able to produce these cells dependably in massive quantities was a humungous engineering problem. This had never been done before.
This should help the Cybertruck get closer to the range and price originally anticipated at the initial reveal. Those are the two main points lost between the initial window crack introduction and the Foundation series that started production.
It’s easy to claim 10-20% improvements in small volume, lab-produced test products. The question is not so much whether they can do it, but whether they can engineer it into mass production. If so, this would mean that Tesla could mass produce 4680 cells and Cybertrucks at the rate needed to satisfy customers and be profitable. That’s the game changer, not shaving off some weight, or an incremental range improvement.
Every manufacturer has been making bold claims about their batteries that they haven't delivered on. CATL declared the 500wh/kg battery in April 2023 and claim it would start mass production in a year.
All except the Chinese companies. They are going to eat Tesla for lunch. But by all means, buy the stock, maybe even buy the orange felons stock too, he appreciates the undereducated.
I doubt solving the dry cathode process has anything to do with the improved energy density. That would be the chemistry, whether it is wet or dry manufacture.
They would also get greater energy efficiency due to its lighter weight. They could offer the same range, but with a smaller battery weight at lower cost. Also however the power usage would fall per km travelled due to the lighter weight.
20% cost reduction..... but when we're talking about 20% energy density probably a few more years away... Because they've not been able to add silicon yet
That is incorrect they have added silicon per Munro analysis of the most recent 4680 cells. Also the dry process does add to energy density improvements as well - it’s not just cost cutting.
Please give an update on Australia implementing solar power and giving up coal exports or has coal exports increased.🤔📈 📉 China is burning more coal every year. When will it peak?
Just a note. You don't say "negative cathode", the cathode is negative by definition. And the positive is called anode, there is no such thing as a positive cathode.
We need more like say a 2x. This way the battery weight can decrease a third and the range still go up. Would bring a model three down to say 3600 lbs and get 320 mile real range
No wasted lithium; that is the main advantage of dry process. Old, wet process results in a battery that sequesters 10% of the total lithium at the anode, from the very first time the battery is charged. That 10% is never available again for the charge discharge cycle. Hence, dry process needs just 90% of the lithium to get the same effective watt-hours. This is something I read back when Tesla was purchasing Maxwell; (Maxwell was the super-capacitor company that developed the dry electrode process concept). I assume what I read then is true; hence I share it here. In that case, energy density, i.e. watt-hours per unit weight, would be increased by the weight savings derived from using all lithium, instead of just 90% of the lithium, plus any weight saved from not having residual solvent. I expect this boost is well __under__ 10%, so reports of 20% are just wrong. Still, even 5% higher density would be significant, because Tesla is getting a universal advantage. Note that “dry process” is about the manufacturing process, not the battery chemistry. I presume this means that for__every__ lithium ion based battery chemistry (excluding solid state?). Tesla will always have this percentage advantage over anybody else using the identical chemistry. So Tesla can now say: “anything you can do, I can do better.” Other advantages include: Lithium is expensive, so cutting lithium input by 10% is a cost savings that only Tesla will have. Also, if the manufacturing process does not use toxic solvents, that is going to make the manufacturing process friendlier and cheaper.
Just a suggestion sam, try to be more brief instead of beating around the bush. I love your content but sometimes it's too much unnecessary information
Sam does this constantly to pad out videos to eight minutes, along with masses of stock footage and music. Must be something to do with TH-cam stats. Very annoying when he literally could have said everything in less than 2 minutes here/
Less than an 8-minute video, you can't make much money. His pay is based on how many eyes on the screen for how many minutes. Keeps the algorithm happy. Maybe if he had more patreon supporters he could make less content at higher quality. A fair amount of this going on in the Tesla community. Not just this channel.
Personally I reckon that a 20% reduction in the cost of the most significant cost item in the vehicle will bring about a significant reduction in the cost of producing the vehicle. What percentage of the over all cost is battery? My guess $8000 for a model 3 so $1600 savings times how many vehicles? Also with a bit of luck by the time my Model S needs a new battery I might only pay around $10,000 instead of the $16,000 I'm looking at, at the moment (given other advances that should happen).
Hopefully Tesla will simply add more cells in the pack to increase the range now that there will be extra room in the pack from more energy dense cells.
So, Model 3 may reach 380 miles range in yhe perfect conditions instead of 320 miles. IRL minus 15% average Tesla overpromise -> 335 miles. 240 miles in winter.
Nah, the dry cathode is a production process. Currently the cathodes are made in a wet paste, and then they have to dry them to get the moisture out, which ends up with the ALMOST the same product as a dry cathode production method. One benefit of a dry production method is that in theory you can make the cathode a little thinner. This will not add 20% to the energy density. The 4680 was disappointing at announcement, and in the 3 year that have passed it's fallen further behind. At best this will mean a slightly lighter battery but a large reduction in factory floor space required to make it.
What exactly is your 10% to 15% savings estimate based on? especially when you admit you don't have a clue what it was that took them so long to get the process working?
Battery technology keeps improving, prices keep falling, as Elon morphs into a rightwing trump zombie. As a Tesla stockholder, I can't wait until Tesla gets the cojones to kick him out. I'd be happy to take a loss. They have enough talent without him ... we don't need his distractions any more. Hope he continues his Mars quest .... and volunteers to be on the first crew for a one-way journey.
Ground temperatures in East Antarctica have SOARED 50 DEGREES (28 CELSIUS) ABOVE NORMAL in the second major heat wave to affect the region in the past 2 years. Research using aerial surveys suggests that US oil and gas basins are emitting around four times more methane than federal regulators have estimated, reports Reuters. China Daily carries a comment article by Liu Junguo, president of North China University of Water Resources and Electric Power, arguing that China needs to “build a robust and sustainable water network” in the face of “increasing frequency of extreme weather events and the escalating challenge of water scarcity”. Extreme Temperatures Around The World says in a Twitter post that some parts of Xinjiang province in northwestern China reached 49.5C on Wednesday, the second hottest day in China on record. There was an extremely hot night at Turpan China, the minimum temperature didn't drop below 35.6 July 31st 2024, one of the hottest nights in Chinese history. A rapid attribution study has found that the “heat dome” causing scorching temperatures across north Africa and western Europe - including at the Paris Olympics - would have been “impossible” without human-caused global warming, the Guardian reports.
Ok, when did the Antarctic begin temperature records? Um, 1900-ish, so wow - 2 heat waves in 2 years ? What happened in the other 120? What is NORMAL anyway? And China - when did they invent the thermometer to allow us to know that in their entire history it was "one of the hottest nights"?. I think we should be told! Also, the Guardian doesn't mention Paris lives in a bowl, practically surrounded by hills - if you'd been there or driven into it you would know that. And conveniently forgets that it is summer in the Northern Hemisphere. You know, that time of year when... it's not cold. 🤣
@@BlackBuck777 science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/ I MAY have spent more time in Paris than you have. You CLEARLY didn't study at PSL--that's Paris Sciences et Lettres University. SCIENCE IS YOUR FRIEND!
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Been getting a bit stressed, a few days without a game changer. I can relax now.
Yup. Just need the guy who whines about Sam's "clickbait" now to complete the picture!
Maybe NOW they will finally build the Semi. Semi adoption will be driven by SPREADSHEETS and economics, not emotion. But, when trucks go electric and truck DRIVERS get used to electric and comfortable with it, it will do a bunch to change the attitude on EVs in general.
@@capnkirk5528 Commercial really is where the EV revolution will rise in the USA followed by consumers. As you said, it is all about economics and businesses understand that a lot more than the consumers given certain industries. However, having said that, if Tesla rolls out the 25K EV, I gotta believe that will move the needle dramatically as far as consumer adoption also.
Everytime I think about the 11K to 15K China cars and how nice they look and even Elon praises them and the rest of the world is buying them, the USA can't keep them out forever. Maybe just enough for at least Telsa to compete
@@capnkirk5528 Pepsi has already taken delivery on them. They need to ramp up, agree.
Same here!
Would it be too much to ask for a
“Nissan has a junk credit rating “ HA
Add to this the reduced manufacturing footprint - looking forward to seeing how this plays out in the next 12 months
I would also expect that manufacturing throughput should be much higher because they don't have to do that drying step with evaporation which I would expect uses a lot of energy and slows down the throughput.
this moment might not be realized by media for two years… however
Range ? Range ? Range !!. Price price price, reliability, reliability, reliability. Long-term replacement costs. Nothing else really matters. Test it in North Dakota in the coldest part of winter, pulling snowmobiles on a heavy trailer going into a fifty mile an hour wind and sideways snowstorm.
Using the same battery pack it gives the RD M3 a range of 616km, or reduce the number of cells and reduce battery pack weight by 80Kg, down to 400kg. The lower weight will improve range. So lower the number of cells to get the same range. Amazing.
Game changer Viking.
Imagine you could fit three DRY production lines in the same space vs wet.
Now imagine you could make it 3 times faster.Because you don't have to wait for it to dry.
This means that in two identical sized factories one producing wet one producing dry, If the wet one is producing 1000 batteries a day. The dry one is producing 6-9000 batteries per day.
Now tell me the cost difference would NOT be enormous😅
With less waste chemicals too!
You save the space for the drying ovens too.
😉
That's the idea from battery day. Yup
@@james3440 How much space does a drying oven take? You are not an engineers guy, are you?
With dry cathodes and no anodes in a solid state battery that’s the real game changer, while these are better they’re still not good enough
If I were to buy a CT, I think I'd rather have the 400 mile range, since you don't really get 400, and it would let you use the truck to tow something and still get over 200 miles range.
Another game changer eh Viking? This one will be big, I can feel it in the air, you're a hero Dude!!!!!!
True champ and th lil apples didn’t fall far from the tree
Thanks, Sam! Maybe faster truck too if battery lighter. Cheers
For sure!
Or more range.
Add wings
Tesla did not buy dry cathode patents from Maxwell tech, but the actual battery manufacture line tech... The assembly line that makes the cells.
So Tesla had to adapt the assembly line to battery cell assembly. dry cathode tech was difficult to invent. This was the bottleneck
I was under the impression Maxwell had a prototype developed using dry methods
That's not what I saw in 2019. The said they were buying Maxwell co. For their DBE patents and the workers. Then they sold off, a few months later, the capacitor division.
So the best electric car ever will be a 2025, Model Y Juniper with dry electrode 4680, made in USA batteries, qualifying for tax credits. THAT will be a game changer for me if i can afford one.
I don't think you will get subsidyOr tax credit on the trump.
It's not just About increasing the energy density the biggest benefit To the dry cathode is that they will be able to increase production Literally 2-3 fold. Anytime you double production you reduce your cause by at least ten percent. This could mean BOTH A twenty percent increase in density and a thirty to 40 percent reduction in cost
I'll believe it when I see it. Tesla's had a lot of issues with these batteries.
What issuses please describe.
Supply chain issues. China is the only source for many commodities needed in the production process.
Since they own the supply chains and produce a cheaper better product, Tesla will be relegated to the dustbin of history.
The ones I've read about are full tab forming, collecting plate welding, laser sealing and dry coating. It seems like they potentially might have resolved some if not all of these issue, but it wouldn't be the first time Elon has exaggerated things, putting the cart before the horse. We need to see mass production occur with no hiccups before we can consider the bottleneck resolved. Don't tell me Elon show me.
Dry electro battery manufacture is way less polluting. Jeannine
"This changes everything!" "Not a s significant difference"
Still need to prove mass production. Hopeful.
Deadline looming at yr end, make them cost competitive or cancel program. (reportedly)
It does mean a great deal for Tesla for sure.
Yeah agree. Tesla still sucks!
@@alsetalokin88 How would U know?
@@Mrbfgray i've driven tesla models and many other ev's. latest chinese ev's are so far ahead in their offerings. so in comparison, tesla still sucks big time at the same price points. how many new tesla models can you choose from anyway?
Has Tesla fixed the dry ANODE problem? All LiIon cells for years have had increased energy density from Silicon embedded in the graphite anode. It's what increased the 18650 cells from 1.3Ah to over 3Ah in every drill sold by Home Depot and everyone else.. And the 4680 cells have always lacked Silicon in the dry anodes (as well as having wet-process cathodes.) Has Tesla said anything about having fixed this?
I love to hear about these technical innovations because they get us closer to energy sustainability. I'm bummed out about the huge wildfire in northern California. Jeannine
Negative and positive cathodes? I thought the 6480 was a battery cell, not and electrolytic cell... If galvanic (power storage) cells, cathodes are always positive (OK, negative when charging...). The negative electrode is called the "anode". Tesla has been manufacturing all the anodes it needs, using a DBE process, for some time now, but has been purchasing finished cathodes (manufactured with a wet process).
I think having the biggest, best battery is great but when you can make your own and it is good enough we need to be satisfied. Does a car need more the 400 miles of range? We never needed it before. Lighter & more efficient should be the goal.
While the average person may not need it, there is a minority who like or have to drive long distances. Taxi or delivery drivers. Those that love to drive away while on vacation. And 400miles is 😮in ideal cobditions. In colder or hillier conditions, owners haven't been getting 400 miles.
If you want to use a truck for hauling a big trailer, you are going to need that kind of unloaded range to have a decent shot at making long journeys acceptable.
The supercharger network makes driving a Tesla car around the US very feasible. Those two and a half hour stretches are going to consume a heck of a lot more power pulling a heavy load with poor aerodynamics. That's when the extra capacity becomes important, and that's why I'm kind of saddened that the range extender both has to exist and is also something that has to be installed by a service center.
I have an invitation to order a Founders Edition truck. I can't bring myself to pull the trigger on it right now.
Th vertical integration is complete
@@SparkySho Lose more money.
They will probabily use it in the new Model Y Juniper as well
@kennymaster900I would prefer LFP from CATL
@@adamdarrow Yes specially the Shenzin plus is top LFP battery but I don't think Tesla will start to use that mainly in the next 1-2 years, may be after 2 years. The reason is because the price will increase if they use Shenzin plus from CATL.
He threatened to close the project if "the solution" wasn't discovered. Well, how de do, they discovered it--- filed years ago in an envelope ! This is standard...job security. But there's a limit to the suckling. A wise leader knows where that limit is.
Nope, this charges everything (and first apart from bots!) 😂
A pun spelled backwards is a nup, and with this kind of joke - a nup is a nup already
Sam, do you think that the constant stream of EV improvements makes potential customers reluctant to buy either a used EV or a new one because of the promise of a better EV just down the road? I’m a Tesla investor and feel that way and have been waiting for the Juniper to be sold.
But that's true for ice cars too and phones, laptops, etc
@@larryc1616 Larry, I don’t think those changes have come as fast and have been as significant.
While Tesla is ramping everything up constantly, we are at a point where current vehicles are already really good and the range is enough. It is already more convenient to own Tesla than an ICE car so I wouldn't be too worried. I am currently looking for a used model Y.
Tesla is a battery company. I knew they would come up with an answer to CATL's battery density 🎉
Tesla could also keep the same battery space/weight in the CT, but use new better batteries so the hauling range increases. Jeannine
Yeah, striking that balance is important, and there will always be some users who are outliers and dissatisfied with all options that research has determined makes sense.
Nah,Its all to late!The end of Tesla is here!
From Reuters : TESLA misses earning targets for fourth straight quarter .
Who's target? Wall Street?
@@rozonoemi9374 TESLA self imposed targets. Their own expectations.
it's about damn time like the viking said
Better late than never. Other than BYD, who else is investing to make there own batteries? That is what I tought.
Soon we may even get a Game Changer Changer
The sensible way to increase range is to reduce energy consumption , which means to reduce the prime mover power consumption . Use lower horsepower motors. It is that simple.
TEV, the key is production in bulk. Short run/one off production has been possible for quite some time but being able to produce these cells dependably in massive quantities was a humungous engineering problem. This had never been done before.
Cheers mate
i remember two years ago they also said they were going to test dry cathode
And they did. And if failed, so they need to do it again. And again. And again. Honestly I hope they finally got it right.
This should help the Cybertruck get closer to the range and price originally anticipated at the initial reveal. Those are the two main points lost between the initial window crack introduction and the Foundation series that started production.
It’s easy to claim 10-20% improvements in small volume, lab-produced test products. The question is not so much whether they can do it, but whether they can engineer it into mass production. If so, this would mean that Tesla could mass produce 4680 cells and Cybertrucks at the rate needed to satisfy customers and be profitable. That’s the game changer, not shaving off some weight, or an incremental range improvement.
Cheaper is probably the advantage ❤. Do they last over time? Catch fire if punctured ??
Every manufacturer has been making bold claims about their batteries that they haven't delivered on. CATL declared the 500wh/kg battery in April 2023 and claim it would start mass production in a year.
All except the Chinese companies. They are going to eat Tesla for lunch. But by all means, buy the stock, maybe even buy the orange felons stock too, he appreciates the undereducated.
wait does this not mean that megapack margins will increase aswell with 4680? By ALOOOT?
I’ll believe it when CT’s are sold with this cathode.
100th thing that changes everything this week
I doubt solving the dry cathode process has anything to do with the improved energy density. That would be the chemistry, whether it is wet or dry manufacture.
Tri-motor Cybertruck with the updated battery might be worth considering if they can offer it for $79,990 and qualify for the Federal tax incentives.
5:00 negative anode and positive cathode would be correct
I hope they make cheaper better, lighter replacement packs for my 2018 model 3 performance to give it more ranger and performance.
I wish I had $1 for every EV “game changer” people talk about on TH-cam.
Then you'd have about $2 for each one that was true. Fucking Click-bait phrases. GAME OVER!!!
Some challenges are harder. Even for Tesla.🎉
Yes but Tesla solve the problem.
There's no such thing as a "negative cathode". 😂
They would also get greater energy efficiency due to its lighter weight. They could offer the same range, but with a smaller battery weight at lower cost. Also however the power usage would fall per km travelled due to the lighter weight.
If you tend to trade your car in every 5 years I think 4680 would be fine but I would not want them in a car I expect to keep past the warranty.
20% cost reduction..... but when we're talking about 20% energy density probably a few more years away... Because they've not been able to add silicon yet
That is incorrect they have added silicon per Munro analysis of the most recent 4680 cells. Also the dry process does add to energy density improvements as well - it’s not just cost cutting.
@@RagnarinVa hopefully that's correct
Please give an update on Australia implementing solar power and giving up coal exports or has coal exports increased.🤔📈 📉 China is burning more coal every year. When will it peak?
"Negative cathode": Is that Aussie slang for anode?
I was wondering when we will see better long last AAA & AA batteries.
This will also add to the mostly y range as they will use them in that model too
Just a note. You don't say "negative cathode", the cathode is negative by definition. And the positive is called anode, there is no such thing as a positive cathode.
Indian company OLA launched today Made in India 4680 cell
There was never any doubt they wouldn’t.
Another mind blowing game changer!
We need more like say a 2x.
This way the battery weight can decrease a third and the range still go up.
Would bring a model three down to say 3600 lbs and get 320 mile real range
Still waiting for 400wh/KG pack level batteries.
It’s all about resource scarcity
Good news , I hope to see Model Y Juniper with 90kWh battery
Morning mate
so i bought in over 4 years ago on the predictions of 4680 and i could've just bought in today instead for cheaper
No wasted lithium; that is the main advantage of dry process. Old, wet process results in a battery that sequesters 10% of the total lithium at the anode, from the very first time the battery is charged. That 10% is never available again for the charge discharge cycle. Hence, dry process needs just 90% of the lithium to get the same effective watt-hours. This is something I read back when Tesla was purchasing Maxwell; (Maxwell was the super-capacitor company that developed the dry electrode process concept). I assume what I read then is true; hence I share it here. In that case, energy density, i.e. watt-hours per unit weight, would be increased by the weight savings derived from using all lithium, instead of just 90% of the lithium, plus any weight saved from not having residual solvent. I expect this boost is well __under__ 10%, so reports of 20% are just wrong. Still, even 5% higher density would be significant, because Tesla is getting a universal advantage. Note that “dry process” is about the manufacturing process, not the battery chemistry. I presume this means that for__every__ lithium ion based battery chemistry (excluding solid state?). Tesla will always have this percentage advantage over anybody else using the identical chemistry. So Tesla can now say: “anything you can do, I can do better.” Other advantages include: Lithium is expensive, so cutting lithium input by 10% is a cost savings that only Tesla will have. Also, if the manufacturing process does not use toxic solvents, that is going to make the manufacturing process friendlier and cheaper.
While EVs can be charged as fast ICE vehicles we should not call it FAST charge. IMO
A battery has got to learn its limitations.
Just a suggestion sam, try to be more brief instead of beating around the bush. I love your content but sometimes it's too much unnecessary information
He goes to the outback, around the mountain, before finding his way back.😂
Agree - Tell us in 2 mins not 8mins and get the vital figures out. We want KWH/KG NOT it gives a 1,000mile range which is meaningless in itself.
Sam does this constantly to pad out videos to eight minutes, along with masses of stock footage and music. Must be something to do with TH-cam stats. Very annoying when he literally could have said everything in less than 2 minutes here/
Less than an 8-minute video, you can't make much money. His pay is based on how many eyes on the screen for how many minutes. Keeps the algorithm happy. Maybe if he had more patreon supporters he could make less content at higher quality. A fair amount of this going on in the Tesla community. Not just this channel.
He absolutely said everything in the first minute of this clip. 😂
Only thing I don't like about 4680, it's still got Cobalt.
Did they makes claims as much as set goals?
Elon is such a grinder. In any other company this tech would have been dumped years ago
Elon hasn't exactly done this. He opened his pocket, but the scientists and engineers did this.
Why are my comments disappearing?
Because you didn't tow the party line. Just listen to the press release and nod in agreement.
Who said that? 😅
@@davidbrayshaw3529 you toe the line. you tow a car.
@@crazyforgg I had no idea! Thank you for the correction.
Were you being rude or nasty?🤔
Personally I reckon that a 20% reduction in the cost of the most significant cost item in the vehicle will bring about a significant reduction in the cost of producing the vehicle. What percentage of the over all cost is battery? My guess $8000 for a model 3 so $1600 savings times how many vehicles?
Also with a bit of luck by the time my Model S needs a new battery I might only pay around $10,000 instead of the $16,000 I'm looking at, at the moment (given other advances that should happen).
What's his genius plan this time? Double the size of the cells again?
He made the electrode dry. It wasn't just a size increase.
@@audience2 But but, size doesn't matter, so they say...
Hopefully Tesla will simply add more cells in the pack to increase the range now that there will be extra room in the pack from more energy dense cells.
So, Model 3 may reach 380 miles range in yhe perfect conditions instead of 320 miles. IRL minus 15% average Tesla overpromise -> 335 miles. 240 miles in winter.
My 2024 Tesla model 3 LR-RWD has 363 miles range. With this new battery the same model will have 435 miles range. The end of ICE is near
The positive electrode is called anode. Negative ekectrode is called cathode. There is no such thing as positive cathode.
Have they scaled it yet ?
Serious Q:
OK 4680 got much better, good news. My Q isn't CATL still way in lead overall? (cost, charging time, lifetime, etc) ?
Nah, the dry cathode is a production process. Currently the cathodes are made in a wet paste, and then they have to dry them to get the moisture out, which ends up with the ALMOST the same product as a dry cathode production method. One benefit of a dry production method is that in theory you can make the cathode a little thinner. This will not add 20% to the energy density. The 4680 was disappointing at announcement, and in the 3 year that have passed it's fallen further behind.
At best this will mean a slightly lighter battery but a large reduction in factory floor space required to make it.
Isn't "negative cathode" an oxymoron? Wouldn't it be an anode?
Exactly right. The negative electrode of a battery is called the anode. There is no such thing as a “negative cathode”.
Yes, a negative "electrode" is called a cathode and a positive "electrode" is called an anode.
@@MrMichiel1983 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode
Gudday mate still praying ❤️
Ooh look! a game changer.
What exactly is your 10% to 15% savings estimate based on?
especially when you admit you don't have a clue what it was that took them so long to get the process working?
Current cost per kWh to make 4680s? Future estimate?
You say that all the time
Great news.
Did you mean to label this video as "Tesla are about to become less greedy?" :)
Why can one of Chevy’s EV trucks go 440 miles and Tesla can’t come close. This was before Tesla says it’s rolling out 4880 batteries?
Because Tesla and Elon are shit!
Battery technology keeps improving, prices keep falling, as Elon morphs into a rightwing trump zombie. As a Tesla stockholder, I can't wait until Tesla gets the cojones to kick him out. I'd be happy to take a loss. They have enough talent without him ... we don't need his distractions any more. Hope he continues his Mars quest .... and volunteers to be on the first crew for a one-way journey.
Ground temperatures in East Antarctica have SOARED 50 DEGREES (28 CELSIUS) ABOVE NORMAL in the second major heat wave to affect the region in the past 2 years. Research using aerial surveys suggests that US oil and gas basins are emitting around four times more methane than federal regulators have estimated, reports Reuters. China Daily carries a comment article by Liu Junguo, president of North China University of Water Resources and Electric Power, arguing that China needs to “build a robust and sustainable water network” in the face of “increasing frequency of extreme weather events and the escalating challenge of water scarcity”. Extreme Temperatures Around The World says in a Twitter post that some parts of Xinjiang province in northwestern China reached 49.5C on Wednesday, the second hottest day in China on record. There was an extremely hot night at Turpan China, the minimum temperature didn't drop below 35.6 July 31st 2024, one of the hottest nights in Chinese history. A rapid attribution study has found that the “heat dome” causing scorching temperatures across north Africa and western Europe - including at the Paris Olympics - would have been “impossible” without human-caused global warming, the Guardian reports.
The highest temperatures were in the 1930's. There has been a cooling trend since then.
Ok, when did the Antarctic begin temperature records? Um, 1900-ish, so wow - 2 heat waves in 2 years ? What happened in the other 120? What is NORMAL anyway?
And China - when did they invent the thermometer to allow us to know that in their entire history it was "one of the hottest nights"?. I think we should be told!
Also, the Guardian doesn't mention Paris lives in a bowl, practically surrounded by hills - if you'd been there or driven into it you would know that.
And conveniently forgets that it is summer in the Northern Hemisphere. You know, that time of year when... it's not cold.
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@@markmiller8903 Absurd assertion even for a skilled propagandist / Exxon emoployee: science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/
SCIENCE ANYONE??
@@BlackBuck777 science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/
I MAY have spent more time in Paris than you have. You CLEARLY didn't study at PSL--that's Paris Sciences et Lettres University. SCIENCE IS YOUR FRIEND!
When do you think would be the best time to snag a EV? Wait a few years for price reduction and better battery range?
Never!
@@manuelferreira4622 Republican are a cult
You know what Elon said - prototypes are easy.
It took a long time because it was hard to do
Wasn't 4680 promised 4 years ago?
Can it be retroactively installed our Teslas or are we supposed to be happy for new owners?
Just be happy for the new owners!!
It can,but it would be waste of your existing battery pack so it's better to wait till your capacity is degraded to a point it needs replacement.
The main feature is the reduced cost. Until Tesla increases the energy density putting them in your CT would not change anything.
@@newguy954 So something like 15 or 20 years from now :)
It is bigger also so you can't add more battery. So the end result is 5% only
It’s all good 👍🏽😊
When “if” these are actually “in” Teslas in large volume yes big advance. Till then it’s a non story!