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That's what Big Sur inofficially stands for. Big Surveillance!
Oh my goodness! I can't believe I didn't see that, that fits so well.
L M A O
Damn
Damn depressing world, big tech, big media, rigged elections. Not to worry they’ll legalize drugs so we can cope with the oppression. FML
Lmao. Good one.
The only actual way to get right to repair to pass in your state is to let the people vote. There’s no point on bashing Apple or other companies because it won’t change anything when they lobby all the people who make those decisions. You gotta give the power to the people and vote like what happened in Massachusetts, that’s the only way to make it pass.
Or u guys can just reject apple.. buy other phone
Based on the popular vote on california against allowing uber/lift drivers to be considered employees and have “rights” I do not believe that popular voting is the solution, people are beyond salvation xD
Democracy is the defence against corporations. Collective action (via democracy) is how the weak prevents oppression by the strong. Markets won't do it.
@@leechinkuan1864 People get Apple for the logo and for the status that they own an Apple device. Just like supreme and etc. Most people don’t care anymore about what Apple does with their data, as long as they don’t give you a super shitty phone people will buy it.
@@usrnameerror4046 No, that’s your projection. Which is interesting since you admit that it does have some impact on you, a non user, while the user could care less about a logo or “status” (wtf does that even mean lmao).
Wasn’t their marketing term “Privacy. That’s iPhone” not too long ago?
They was making those commercials. All the time. They'll keep making them anyway.
I always wondered why the hell anyone believed that after the 2014 iCloud leaks, aka The Fappening. A lot of those pictures were apparently even long-since deleted, but somehow were still accessible to the hackers
They were talking about their privacy, not yours 😉
Blunt-force false advertising now. Full stop.
People on other channnels are really happy apple takes privacy seriously and blocks google from tracking you... but they can't see that only reason apple blocks google is having information monopoly. Apple excludes their tracking from tracking blocking and soon have monopoly iphone ads.
Apple: "iOS let's you block apps from silently tracking you!"
Also Apple: *Silently tracks all your apps*
Good look getting health insurance when your iWatch tells everyone you had a heart murmur after your jog last week.
Medicare for all!!!
@@jonathanmk5402 Socialism! (But it's only bad when people benefit. Corporate socialism is patriotic and American)
Also when 23andMe sells your genetic information to health/insurance companies and they won't accept you or severely overcharge you just because of some genetic marker or potential predisposition they found in your genetic code. Welcome to the "future," my friends. It's getting Orwellian in here.
@@Dan0TheMano Seriosuly? Oh shit. Apple users are boned.
@@DeathBringer769 and they just hand it over to the police without warrant
We only care about privacy if it only benefits us.
- google and apple
Privacy is a marketing angle for Apple. When something like that becomes "feature" you know things have gone too far.
At least, Google is half honest. You can open your Google profile and look on what some things Google knows about you. And even this picture shows they know a lot about you. Unlike Apple they don't even try to deny it.
So like what any corporation does ever ? Of course they only do what benefits them why do people get surprised by this ?
I'm a digital marketer, the data FB and Google sells is not very invasive. I don't see your names/address etc. You're just an anonymous person who likes 'hobby' that I'm targeting with a product that suites you. It is disgusting to see apple coming out as some hero for privacy and turning around and pulling stuff like this while people praise them as a protector. There are so many worse things FB + Google + Android devices do that could be addressed before something as stupid as data collection for ad monetization.
Just like freedom of speech. They can say what ever they like, but boy if you say something which according to them is against their communities "double" standards, they have all the right to get that blocked.!
Every move you make, every step you take, I'll be watching you
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"oh can't you see, you belong to me"
-probably Apple
🎶 🎶 🎤
Remember what Assange said?!!! This generation will never know “privacy”.
privacy? what is this privacy all the boomers are talking about?
@@metallusmelandril7380 All you need to read there is:
"If you use macOS Big Sur, blocking OCSP might not be as trivial. Before crying conspiracy, however, keep in mind that common users are generally not able to fully understand and evaluate the impact of disabling such a complex and delicate security feature on their computer."
And that means "We know better what to do with YOUR device, shut up, pay and smile"
@@IlkoGood 🤣😂🤣
Mark Zuckerburger said shortly after he stole Facebook and made it live that "Privacy was a thing of the Past"
VAULT 7
This is Snowden all over again
America and the rest of the world never learns.
to say it's all over again is to imply they stopped. They never did.
If you look into what Snowden got out of the files, the issue is far worse. Even powered off phones are often not completely off. They are still sending messages to the phone network.This was even tested on quite a few phones. They still gave off signals when analysed.
Yeah when will he be able to come home?? All these dictators in office just want to dead.
It just proves our suspicions we've had all along, that Snowden and Assange are actually the GOOD guys!
U ass a: be careful Huawei spying.
Huawei : ohhhhh shiet no way, i thought i just do what u do ?
Exactly people are to focused on buying shiny things instead of functionality
You say that like it’s just apple collecting user data
Your cheap Black Friday tv wasn’t cheap for no reason. They collected information from you.
normies are dumbtarded, cant wait for the reset when they all starve
Lol. Haters od this type make me always laugh. Sure, Apple is just about shiny and not functionality. Good night troll. Facepalm
What’s the alternative? Apart from buying an Android, installing LineageOS, microG and all that stuff that gets you a barebones phone. Or, maybe buying used phones, so Apple/anyone else gets no money?
Instagram...
Wow, it's incredible watching you read my whole post aloud like that. Thanks for sharing this important information, and thanks for reading! I'm glad to see it's not just me that cares about this stuff.
I've updated the post just now to add a FAQ section, which answers many of the common questions people have sent me about it. This is not something new in the new OS - this is in Catalina too, so it's been going on since at least October 2019 - more than a year.
Good info if you're really the guy that wrote that. Appletrash is what I call that hunk of junk brand.
It's shocking anyone would hand over 1 penny to that company ever again.
Sunlight is the best disinfect. Thanks for the sunshine.
@@Captain10Star Apple makes great hardware and great software, otherwise nobody would care if they make poor decisions like this. Nobody cares if e.g. the Zune sucks, few people care that Windows is full of even worse telemetry. The only reason we are yelling about this is because we want to use the great hardware and great software they make - just without it spying on us. It's certainly not trash, or junk, or any other casual dismissals you've tossed about.
If we thought it is junk, we wouldn't want the right to repair it and keep it around for a long time. You don't repair junk, you throw it away.
The article is not correct
See here and you can verify it on your own Mac:
blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
Thank god I didn't buy the hype and stayed on Mojave. MBP late 2013 here
@@DannyHDpsn 2010 here!
interesting........
great vid louis!
Love your videos Dave! I think as a tech TH-camr you should go into this as well from your perspective.
dave ! windows vs mac wich has more privacy?
Probably shouldn't trust everything that he says. Someone else already linked this: blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
Actually explaining what this means, not just being negative Nancy all the time.
I'm glad you saw this video, I think you could do a lot for the spreading of the info!!! that'd be awesome, best wishes Dave
@@kift2 dave loves apple.
Was considering buying a mac. “Was”
Me too. I'm currently using a 2009 MacBook that has some serious issues. I was thinking about a mac replacement but now am leaning towards something that runs linux.
Buy a Dell laptop and install fedora or arch Linux.
Windows isn’t better
@@Lalit-yw2tb really any computer that’s got mediocre specs will run linux.
@@inspectorvoid that's true I sad that because as he wants a Mac then it probably means he can spend $2000+ easily on a laptop them why not spend that money on good hardware which is actually going to give you value for money. I meant to say Dell XPS lineup. Amazing processor with a dedicated gpu, nice keyboard and a trackpad comparable with a MacBook.
How is that even legal ?
it somehow is, that's why they're doing it
_What are these newfangled "computer" machines you speak of? how can a machine know what I'm doing all day? please excuse me while I bring these letters for washington to the post office._
You sign a EULA before you use it. Same way you let windows record mouse, keyboard and mic inputs to "improve" text prediction and voice recognition. All on first launch or install
Probably agreed to it when you click Agree and power on your Apple product. Lol
You know, the stuff that nobody ever reads.
A lot of websites also check your ip. That’s how they send you “hot singles in (insert your city)” ads online.
Man, you were the reason I first started hating on apple but I wasn't thoroughly convinced when I first started watching your videos. Than one day my macbook pro 2012 GPU's fried, I got it replaced through extended warranty only to have it fry ONCE AGAIN, after they themselves replaced the fucking GPU, less than a year later.
Back at the apple store they admitted it was a problem with the manufacturer (it wasn't apple who produced it), that the part had a problem from the factory and that's that. They couldn't do anything because my machine was considered to be obsolete. This exchange took place in 2017.
At the end of the talk, the guy at apple had the boldness to tell me that I could leave my broken macbook and get a discount on a new one, to which I replied "you just admitted that part failed because of Apple and you leave me hanging with a 3k dollars machine and you still offer me to buy a new one? Do you think I'm stupid?"
So yeah, that was the last apple product I ever purchased and ever will.
You learned the hard way, but learned nonetheless 👍
I'm glad you were able to recognise you're being ripped off.
stuff is made cheaply, low quality, or to break down on purpose and they charge an arm and a leg for it. its exploitation! which is too bad/sad. when you think things are low enough, someone bring out the sledgehammer to go lower.
Good job at a fake story. Lmao
I'm from India and I bought the iPhone 6 the year it came out for $750. My daughter cracked the screen in a week and when I went for repairs I had to pay over $200 which died within a month. I simply threw the phone away cos I knew how difficult they were to deal with so it was simply not worth the trouble.
🙏🙏🙏 thank you for this video!! I own a small independent repair shop and we def don't care abt ppls data whatsoever!! We care about our service and making sure we do a good job so ppl are happy with our repairs!! I will share and it is truly so sad!! Keep up the good work fighting for the right to repair 👏👏
In my city, apple has ads on billboards that say "Apple: We value your privacy"
Correct those billboards with some "that's why our latest OS is tracking everything you do" graffiti
That is actually accurate. They do indeed "value" your privacy.
Your privacy has a value. Can be bought and sold, as any comodity. They didn't lie.
There is a big ass billboard in DC. I laugh everytime I see it
Value, valuate, almost the same. Think different.
This is why I've been sticking with Mojave until I have time to set up a linux install. I could see this coming from miles away. First SIP, then only being able to launch signed apps, then T2, then locking away the system volume and signing it. I can't wait until people realize ARM Macs are just iPhones with a keyboard and you have no control whatsoever.
"Would you like to anonymously report usage statistics? Y/N"
"You chose No. We will proceed to report usage statistics that include all identifying personal information. Thank you."
This is the bit that confuses me. I wouldn't be surprised if the app logging only happens for people who have selected that option. Would be good to get clarification.
Just clicked the article link from the FAQ:
Q: Is this part of macOS analytics? Does this still happen if I have analytics off?
A: This has nothing to do with analytics. It seems this is part of Apple’s anti-malware (and perhaps anti-piracy) efforts, and happens on all macs running the affected versions of the OS, independent of any analytics settings. There is no user setting in the OS to disable this behavior.
I don't know why people are mad, Apple and US government collects some information to protect the interests of global Zionists, THAT IS IT! NOT MORE AND NOT LESS!
"You chose no. Thank you, we will therefore not keep your anonymity when reporting usage statistics".
Love that you brought this up! It appears Apple has addressed these concerns, with a fresh commitment to encrypted this data, they’re deleting all IP addresses and not logging which apps are opened and when they’re opened. This is strictly a check on the app to ensure it does not contain known malware.
We need _two_ laws here:
First is that unless a consumer is _expressly_ leasing a product, then the consumer _owns_ the product and can have it serviced anywhere they please. OEMs must agree to sell parts for said repairs, and must allow third parties to provide replacement parts as well.
Second that data about a person or a device they own _belongs to that person._ That data may not be sold, traded, aggregated, mined, or otherwise processed without that user's express consent _for each transaction and operation._ When data is transacted, regardless of the association of the entities, the user is paid a set percentage of that data's value.
(I've done a better job laying this out somewhere else, but this covers the basics of it.)
I mean, forget Universal basic Income and the taxes needed to support that. If all the companies trading our data had to pay us every time they made a profit on that data, we _wouldn't need_ a UBI (note that I'm not trying to start a conversation about UBIs, just saying that people who allowed their data to be traded around could make a decent income just off that.)
The only ones who stand to benefit from additional legislation on this are the ones that can’t afford to have this magnitude of a legal battle.
Btw, most of the time, users DO expressly agree to the collection and transmission of their data per the General Data Protection Regulation. This is also why EULAs exist. Every accepted cookies on a website before? Exactly.
@@yesornoandmaybeso You are correct of course, but you'll find that it's extremely hard to use a device or software package if you decline the EULA. And yes, I'm well aware of cookies other assorted tracking technologies. Among various other things, I have spent a good deal of time in web development and data manipulation. Believe me, there are far more advanced ways of tracking you than cookies.
What I'm taking issue with is that you have paid for the device, sometimes thousands of dollars, but the purpose of the data collection is to create a further ongoing revenue stream for the company that developed it. You are creating this data and subsequent revenue stream solely by living your life and using the features of the device that suit your needs.
Outside of such data collection, a person is generally _paid_ when something they do generates revenue for a company. That is, unless, they generate revenue by purchasing a product (like a cell phone) or or a service (like a cellular plan).
Given that the data they are collecting about you (and selling) isn't data that would be collected in other ways, e.g.: financial records, medical records, taxes, DMV. etc; the data is highly valuable to others looking to sell products and services. In fact, the data stream _itself_ is a product and service that other companies pay large amounts of money for.
Yes, you can technically opt out of such data collection and 'turn off' targeted ads. But check the news and privacy/security advocacy websites and you'll find that turning off data collection rarely actually turns it off. But if you think that clicking the button to change your advertiser ID does anything useful, you're mistaken. Everything your phone does is tied to it's MEID/IME, so changing those kinds of settings does nothing but make you feel better.
My point of the post above is that if your data is being traded on a market, even when you ostensibly 'opt out', you should be paid a stipend/commission/whatever each time that data is traded. The data is about _you_ after all.
Where I _really_ take issue with such data collection is that there are companies whose sole purpose is to aggregate that data into a complete profile, which is an even _more_ valuable commodity on the data market.
These data profiles routinely collect and assemble large amounts of public data, like information from the DMV, marital status, number of children (and who they are), home address, the information listed earlier, etc. Then they collect other information, like the number of unique internet-capable devices using your home internet connection, unsecured IoT appliances, unsecured webcams,TV habits, driving habits gathered from your cellphone position tracking, the stores you visit, your political views, religious views, sexual preferences, sexual perversions, gender identity, where you shop online, what websites you visit and how often, etc. Please note that this list doesn't scratch the surface of the kinds of data that is collected.
Basically, these companies put together profiles far more detailed than what that the government has been expressly forbidden to assemble. Then data in these profiles is sold to anyone who wants them and has the money, whether it's a marketing company, health insurance, our government, or a foreign company or government.
Last I heard, the value of a FaceBook account for a person who has a complete profile and spends a few hours a day on the website is in the $150,000 range. Just your FaceBook data is worth almost the price of a house on an annual basis. That's _one_ source of data.
Speaking of which, have you ever taken one of those ridiculous quizzes on a social media site? Every last one of them is a data collection company fleshing out their profile on you for a multi-billion dollar market where _you_ are the product. And you're giving that data away for free.
@@slateslavens Everyone knows data is much more valuable than the devices themselves, hence why all of Google’s main services are free for example. It’s not that I think it is okay to do, but unfortunately, as you admitted in you response, companies rarely follows LAWS that already exist. This should give you some idea of what additional legislation would really have an impact in. There are so many loopholes and grey area here, and if we are being honest, laws in general exist to suppress the rights of average citizens, not powerful corporations who undoubtedly have ties to multiple governments.
@@yesornoandmaybeso Gotcha, and I agree. Unfortunately, when businesses like Google, Apple, and Microsoft have lobbyists who help write those laws we get laws like the ones we have.
Believe me, I have gone off on other tangents like single terms for any elected federal government position and forbidding lobbyists from interacting with the federal government directly. But this isn't the channel for that unless Louis chimes in.
@@yesornoandmaybeso And for a good laugh, let it sink in for a minute that eventually this conversation will be added to our digital profiles.
Thanks for a good discussion.
The sad part is Louis is correct. The even more sad part is that Louis doesn’t have the billions of dollars in lobbyist funds to make his point.:(!! Louis, keep up the good fight brother. I’m in the same boat that you are and I truly feel our pain
If there was ever a person that actually deserved to be rich, it's Louis.
@@RadeonX0X twat
We could technically pool our money together
He is not
blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/ it seems he is not
It broke my heart when he said “people are gonna buy it anyway”
@Xelbayria yeah sort of
mac os is still the best os out there, thats why people buy it. We lack a real competitor.
@@kw_awards it's the easiest, it isn't the best.
I see linux being pushed more but it needs to get into the gaming market to really pick up.
@@jetah50 Its well underway. In that aspect. I use Linux as my main driver.Including gaming.
@@jetah50 Linux is nowhere near unfortunately due to basically no computers come with it installed which is the no 1 problem, massive fragmentation and low software support. They could have been a competitor but they fucked it up.
Thanks Louis . 😐
Depressing to hear but necessary .
Love your show . You fight for everyone and I thank you .
I've basically come to terms with the fact that no matter what kind of device I'm on, it'll phone home with more information about me than I even know about myself. But the fact that yesterday I went into work and couldn't open a single app on my two thousand dollar laptop because one of these phone home servers was down is disgusting.
protect linux and freedom the gpl and the right to repair
@@gp3328 that's not enough btw
@@gp3328 srry to sad u, but even if you disable everything windows still log a bunch of stuff
@@9a3eedi there is an app like shut up windows 10 or something like that essentially is like open source i think and it goes and edits all of the registry's/group policies.
Except linux is mostly owned now by Microsoft and Amazon... so while all the distros are free to do whatever, the kernel is already in their grasps. Maybe a time for FreeBSD?
I would use linux but windows 10 is dominating so most programs are made for windows
The sad thing is, we all sign these right away willingly.
-message sent from iPhone
Lol I've noticed that pop up when emailing through micrsoft's email system. Fortunately there, you could back it out, but I still wouldn't be surprised if it saves it somewhere.
-message sent from browser 😂
blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
Don't worry, making ironic comments about fuelling increased censorship absolves you of any wrong doing 👍
@@user-og6hl6lv7p didn’t....you do just the same?
7:31 That ending is just so well-deserved, I like how you convey this sense of passion in just the way you talk in general. You always seem to do that very, very well!
“The day has come. You will receive no further alerts” - powerful.
They will provide another alert after the next upgrade...
"Self-Destruct in 30 minutes. There will be no further audio warning."
No alerts for you! Come back one year! Next!
I would say, “Oh, brother!” But this seems more appropriate:
“Big brother!”
I have bought my last Mac. Since I have to manage a Linux box now, I am switching to a Linux machine.
@@Mnogojazyk I’m scared to get one now. Think ima just get a used Mac mini with an older os
All that missing now is the social point system.
@@Effingslackin, my father hasn't updated his WIN PC from WIN 8.1 because it works perfectly well for him as it is.
To be sure, Apple now claims it will install an opt-out feature in the next update. We’ll see.
But there is other news: The U.S. House of Representatives, in preparation for antitrust legislation, recently released a report on Apple's alleged monopolistic practices. The E.U. is starting to gear up for its own report also in preparation for antitrust legislation and litigation.
But those things take time because of the very nature of politics and litigation.
Stay tuned, but don't hold your breath.
@@flankerchan There is, is just not public
"People will still buy it"
That is the cruel reality some people live!
Sad part is there is not really any choice in some cases such as phones. You have Apple, and Android. That's it really. Both are spying on you. Pisses me off really, we need more choices.
@@redsquirrelftw Depends on how serious you are about privacy. Have you heard of the Pinephone? Librem 5?
@@Cobalt985 None of those really got anywhere though and are not really obtainable. I was really vouching for the Librem 5, but it flopped.
Ooh a piece of candy
Because most folk are unaware or simply don't care
I couldn't have chose better words, when you explain it like this there is a glimmer of hope that some people will change their mind. Now just have to make sure people see it, problem is the majority of the herd is never going to hear it like this. They already know privacy is a figment of the imagination, just keep preaching the realness 👍🏻🧠💪🏻
"People will buy it anyway" Should be Apple's new slogan.
Apple today don’t make anything l like, the new hardware with intel GPU suck. I still own and use my 2010 Mac Pro(Mojave,Catalina,Windows 10), 2009 Mac Pro (High Sierra Server ) iPhone 8 Plus. An I told people their new hardware (ARM) would be trash and close up hardware. I remember when I was a kid, we had a Commodore 64 which allow you to tinker with it . Those were the good old days of owning a computer.
Yes!
*brainwashed drones, not people. People think for themselves.
Cadillac's slogan used to be "If you can't afford the gas, don't buy a Cadillac."
I will fkn buy it again..... damn!! I am an Apple Slave... what else is there?
Also, its a HUGE amount of energy to store and receive all of those datas...
HEY APPLE ? You said you protect the environment ???
You should look at Netflix and THEIR hypocrisy on that aspect! They are responsible for 15% of the overall data transfer of the WHOLE Internet! What amounts of energy do you think THEY use for that for their servers?
@@C_R_O_M________ it is still less energy than was spent going to the store, selecting a VHS Tape, playing it in your VHS VCR, rewinding the tape and returning the VHS Tape to Blockbuster!
Their whole headquarters are run in renewable energy.. do some research
They will just say their "Cloud" system adheres to all laws for the incoming "Green New Deal". Research that.
@@C_R_O_M________ It's not as bad as landfill created by DVDs and VCR cassettes.
Own nothing.
Be happy.
Eat bugs.
Live in pods.
Bugsnax!!!
Pay 10% property tax for that pod
reject modernity, embrace monke.
Well - I guess, I can install Linux on some computers here. That is not perfect, but better than nothing
That phrase reminds me of mister metokur on wagie cagies
Thank you for the warnings Louis and all the hard work for the right to repair .
I hope this goes Viral!!! I mean this NEEDS to go viral!!
It happens with most companies, if you ever go online 99% your being watched by multiple companies
Samsung already implementing "Find my phone" without internet via Bluetooth LE, I've heard Apple will follow.
Every breath you take
And every move you make
Every bond you break, every step you take
They'll be watchin' you
Every single day
And every word you say
Every game you play, every night you stay
They'll be watchin' you
(FYI - yes, this song is about stalking)
But is 'find my phone' always on or is it your choice? That's the difference surely.
@@tkps you can flip a switch. But is it really turns off?
Don't forget Contact Tracing! It's totally just for COVID safety. Totally. They won't use that technology for _anything_ nefarious. Not now and not in the future when COVID is take care of. It's just for safety! So be sure to enable the features and download the apps! Safety!!!
They say that here in the USA but in china they don’t mind tracking the uyghurs so ig were next
They already know how to track you with wifi5 APs, even if you don't connect to them. You can go to AP vendors and they will teach you how triangulation and geolocation is implemented with all wifi5 capable devices. So yeah it's not in the future.
This is like a major turning point in history. We seriously have to stop this before its too late
A CCP shill is running for president. History is probably already written.
And people were talking about how apple made it so easy to spot led if an app was using camera or audio! And today we find this. Well done 🍎
"people are going to buy it anyway" is the current problem we face in so many different domains, and you're right about it depressing me
"Boy did I call it or what?" - George Orwell
Damn, having recently read 1984 for the first time, I cannot agree more...
Odd, considering the rollout of the original Macintosh computer used an ad depicting someone smashing and breaking free from Big Brother.
(As living in communism my entire life)
*inserts "First Time?" meme*
@@maxruehl dude, exactly! They were the rebels giving the finger to "the man." Now, they are "the man." What a world...
@@marcello1099 yeah, it is. Is it ok to say i don't like it? Or am I gunna be sent to a work camp somewhere?
it is quite literally impossible for the average person to avoid all the spying. It's basically a full time job just trying to keep up and most of the things you'd have to do are pretty hampering.
It can get frustrating its an endless game of whack an exploit and shut that backdoor. I can see allot of everyday people get frustrated hopeless or just in denial. other groups in the middle like me who can't afford all the privacy hardware immediately or can't risk bricking their one and only device and is trying to understand the proper configurations of such applications in daily use. I think I will have to take high level politicians and celebrities to be hacked an censored the way Trump has to wake up. I think anyone big reviewing tech should have an impartive
to bring up the issue of privacy to their audience to see an affect
damn Apple is making Microsoft look like the good guys.
Hahahaha, and here I was really appreciating macOS respecting privacy, unlike winbug10. Was really considering a Mac for the first time ever. Now, I think I'll stick with Windows 8.1.1 for the next century...
@@MrElectrifyer Well, I guess I will just buy some field, few horses or oxes and return to 16th century lifestyle.
@@simonspacek3670 Go for it, if that's what suits your needs. My Highlander Hybrid gets the job done without any nonsense privacy violations...
@@MrElectrifyer Well, so far it does. But I'm quite sure it is easier to put GPS tracker and MFA verification through Apple app in car, then in horse. Unless it is iHorse of course :D
Sorry, I have to make jokes about that, the only other option is deep depression.
@@MrElectrifyer Ever considered using Linux?
You know...maybe one of these European countries needs to make a final example out of them.
_Sue them for every penny they're projected to be worth, force a win, and demand they pay._
Spain tried going after google, It didn’t end well
oh, you mean like what they did with VW scandal?..... which was nothing...
Eu commision for trade Vestager did this I think
@@egg5474 Spain is incredibly corrupt. Nordic countries are where its at. Also, Australia.
@@egg5474 what happend
"Our customers' trust means everything to us. We spent decades working to earn that trust." - Tim Cook, 2015
And you believe this guy?
You can trust big brother, 😸
"now that we've locked them in to buying our shit, we no longer need their trust". -- tech leaders probably
Sad part is I actually heard the argument that Apple products are so expensive because they don't sell your data, so all their revenue has to come from hardware and software purchases
KEKW
I know people will buy it anyway but I'll never do and that's thanks to your videos. Consider (at least) one person saved.
Imagine: You pay for a premium price for a product, then they take a tax on everything you buy on it, and also take all your data, and also its designed to break quickly, and also you can't repair it... The ass whoopings never stop
And they call big daddy Apple for more ;)
@@IcecalGamer I mean, whatever they're into lmao. To me this seems like the perfect setup for mass blackmail and government string puppet operations. Something straight out of 1984
Exploitation this is!
Who repairs their own laptops? You think everyone has a solder machine like Louis does?
@@Shanboss277 You can't even change the SSD...
I've never bought an Apple product in my life..and after hearing this, I never will. Good vid. Thx Louis
They're great hardware, and it's possible that we'll be able to disable the spying via security settings, and even if we can't do it on-device, you can always use an external router or firewall device to stop it. The alternatives are... not great.
@@sneakdotberlin7085 How are they not great? I've never used Apple in my life and I'm doing fine.
Lmaoo. You using android instead? Even worse. Using Windows? Spies on you too
I’ve bought numerous apple products in my life. After this, I never will.
@@cat-.- lmao. I haven’t seen a shred of proof from this. Can someone link some evidence that Apple actually does this
I smell a class action suit. How much is your privacy worth, everyone? Apple is rich, right? ;)
How would someone win though? There's no law (>_>) in the US right now which prohibits this data collection and app control.
Well... Actually, maybe the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. That's a pretty big one. There's also general consumer law which prohibits such from being sold without notice to the customer.
youre an idiot
You nailed it with that last point. Most people just don't care. Personally, I will never buy another Apple product again.
Apple:"Privacy is our biggest priority"
Also Apple: every click you make is tracked
"...biggest priority 'enemy’”
@@seop012 Yes sir. Gotta love marketing
why did you even comment this, that's the entire point of this video
@@charliediscoe9300 Why did you even comment this comment? That's the entire comment of this comment.
Why am I reading the comment about the previous comment , this is the entire comment of all comments..
"Blame the other party to distract from it what you are doing."
The politicians have been doing this with their fingers crossed wait they don't have to cross their fingers.they are just doing it.
Best of Loius Rossmann great job, great videos & great repair shop!
The more control you let them take. The more dependent you become
I hate it when an app tells me that they got everything under control
The "leave everything to us" text on the windows 10 installation is very creepy too
@@shrimpfry880 Microsoft, Apple and Google are incredible scumbags. The less you depend ob them and their surveillance crap the better.
The chains are getting tighter
Not buying a mac out of my pocket. Thanks for sharing this message on a clear way.
Apple: "we care about your privacy, we'll *take care* of it"
More like "We'll [take] care of [it]"
@@eatright909 "We'll care of"?
I love how in the comments there are people being like "well, it's in the user license agreement" like contracts somehow trump *the law*. If they did, slavery would still exist
and law doesn't dictate morality
@Michael David incel
@Michael David
Idk, it's complicated. Yes, there are lots of women who abuse the system, but trying to hold down a job while raising a kid is hell. I have a tenant that has a kid and still chose to get a job. Not everyone who collects child support is an evil Karen out to defraud "the patriarchy". Some genuinely need it to raise the kid. It's only fair.
Here's how people (men and women) need to plan:
A cat is equivalent to a utility bill.
A dog is equivalent to car insurance, gas, maintenance.
A child is equivalent to a mortgage.
If you can't afford a second mortgage, don't have a kid. If you want a kid, get better at life. Make more with less effort.
@@manictiger if you cant afford the kid, it needs to be put into the care of the parent who can. There are too many fathers who can afford to care for their child and still work, who only get to see their kid every other weekend because the incapable mother gets preferential treatment.
@@tylersingleton9284
Like I said it's complicated. But yes, in general, when talking about the entire country and its 326 million citizens, women get WAY better treatment from the DOJ, than men. I won't argue against that.
Luis: "people.... are... going.... to... buy... it... anyway..."
Me: "Why are we still here? Just to suffer."
It's called digital self harm...
@@negirno e-Masochism?
I didn't buy Civ 6, because it spies on you.
Lol
Thanks for your videos. They are some of the most educational online. However, this is from my iPad. Will never buy another one.
They only watch me to protect me. Like the Apps in the App Store are checked. And you don’t have anything to hide, don’t you? It’s great how much they care. Love you, Apple.
(Creepy mode off)
Greetings from Munich, Tom.
the difference between apple and android: the android spies on you, and the apple denies that it will spy on you and proceeds to do it anyway.
IPhones and Macs are watching you all the time (Chinese made BTW) but we're gonna blame Huawei for doing this.
However rooting android is most cases a 5 minute affair after which you can put a secure custom firmware on it, while there is no custom secure iOS.
Sounds like America vs China. Lol
tbh I wish these companies would just be honest, it wont stop the regular person from owning these products if they know the truth.
Android doesn't spy, google apps do
The declared urge to "keep safe" always, ALWAYS, belies the desire to control.
My friend you have earned my subscription. Your channel has taught me much and I've only watched a few videos. I will certainly be sharing this with my friends.
So we’re literally approaching the storyline for the first Kingsman movie. That kind of sucks.
🥴🤫
This is happening IMO.
I just watched Iron Sky 2 last night, and the Jobsism cult is just WAY to pertinent to the real world.
"You know what happens when unauthorized changes are made..."
"You get brickie-bricked." - The Church of Steve Jobs
Anti-spying = Antisemitic ..
In fact Linus Sebastian has recently been the target of a rant and rage from a known youtuber Apple reviewer. Kafkaesque. Linus explaining the story: th-cam.com/video/GfSidouUVlw/w-d-xo.html
@@cinemaparadiso5402 everything is antisemitic
I remember what happened to that cult in the movie. If that isn't symbolic I don't know what is.
Thank you, Louis. I'm not an early adopter/upgrader (was on Snow Leopard a year ago). On Mojave now but will not go past Catalina. Keep up the great work!
"We at Apple believe that privacy is a fundamental human right"
2019, Tim Cook (Apple’s CEO)
- - - - - - - - - - -
Pretty sure there will be a huge lawsuit in the EU about this crap. It might not fly but ultimately we all know where things are headed - 1984. More and more people feel comfortable getting their personal data out there without any knowledge how it's (ab)used. At some point such behaviour will become normal, expected, acceptable.
We and them have different approaches to defining who "people" are )
What I want to know is if we're really Oceania here in the US, why don't we have the same laws as our "special friend" the UK?
Funny how people still think if they use a certain, device, os, software, VPN, etc, etc... that they have their privacy. Wake up and smell the coffee. If you are online, you are bieng watched.
Apple: *Tracks Users*
FBI: First time?
Since October of 2012, Apple is a partner in the US military intelligence community’s PRISM spying program
@@FE0070 Thanks, Obama/Biden. And yea, I know Bush was the one in office back when the Patriot Act first rolled out (which started a lot of this mass spying/surveillance stuff in the first place) but guess who bragged about helping to author that act himself? Biden did. You can find the interview still on TH-cam. It's not like Trump got rid of this stuff either though, and refused to pardon Snowden or give Assange help, so yea, not too much better in that department either, unfortunately. No matter who you vote for it seems we always get the same crap sandwich on both sides.
Man, I've learned a lot thanks to you. And for a long time I have refused to use or purchase apple products because of the many questionable practices you havw brought up.
I thank you for informing us and fighting the good(questionable) fight!
apple: yes we are all about security
*sends information over plaintext*
edit: this comment was made before it was known exactly what was being sent out
What you don't understand is that the security is there to keep you out.
Don't forget how they had no rate limiting on iCloud web logins, which gave us The Fappening. Brute forcing celebrity iCloud accounts without any restrictions.
Not exactly true: blog.jacopo.io/en/post/apple-ocsp/
@@beast4000 its unfortunate that this article didnt exist before i made this comment. thanks for the new information tho
@@enthusiasticgeek7237 not even your fault. Rossman should’ve let a few days go by before jumping on Apple but thats his thing I guess. I doubt he would even make a response acknowledging the fear-mongering with incorrect info but I guess we’ll see. Since that other post went sorta viral maybe even Apple will shine some light but oh well.
Well, we’ve installed a PiHole a few months ago, to filter out most of the telemetry, as well as ads. The stats were shocking, over 40% of our network traffic was just telemetry, adverts, and trackers.
They know everything about you, and sadly, you can do nothing about it. Even if it is a company that’s doing it open, or if it is a copmany that promotes “privacy”.
The only way that you can ensure that your devices are not spying on you is that you design your own hardware and software, and never ever connect to any kind of network. At least, it is the only one that I can imagine in the 21th century.
TempleOS from Terry Davis was the last operating system that was just what you need.
The amount of DNS requests are not equal to the network traffic, saying 40% of network traffic is unwanted based on PiHole is not accurate, telemetry data is usually really light.
@@MrJleonp you’re correct, sorry.
And they're looking to launch their own search engine, seems they've been preparing on how they'll profit off of it.
I wish I were as smart and articulate as you, Louis. We need to start a movement (with a list of objectives, recommended actions, etc. on website) to stop all information gathering on computers, quit buying anything that does gather information, then, lower the tax rates, get rid of lying media, lying politicians, hold them all accountable, etc., etc., etc.. lol
"You will receive no further alerts." That hit me like a ton of bricks.
Woke tech corporations are building their own “social credit” system.
They are not "woke", they are just corporations and they will do whatever they can to maximize profits. Including but not limited to pretending to be woke, using child labour, not paying taxes, using shady business tactics, not letting you repair your own devices, laying off their employees out of the blue and simply not paying their employees properly to begin with. It's corporate capitalism baby. Only solution is to democratize our workplaces, society and the government. We shouldn't stand autocracy in our workplace, personal life, or government.
@@KuroKarma HAHAHAHAHAHA democratize companies... HAHAHAHAHAH those companies will burn in a matter of days.
This is not about wokeness, they're actively violating people's privacy and you feel the need to call out their "wokeness". They're also not woke, they'll do anything to get more money even if it means to be racist or something
@True WingChun yo chill out, the world is more boring than what you actually think lol, companies are just interested in money there's nothing else they care about, the only agenda they have is maximizing profit
@martinho you are very naive. There is absolutely a global agenda. It’s not just about profits. Not at all.
DUDE I HAD NO IDEA THIS WAS A THING TY FOR NOTIFYING ME
SORRY FOR CAPS LOCK IM GOING INSANE RN
Dude your an amazing person plse know that you have turned an apple user into an apple hater dude i just never knew how currupt that company was thank you from the bottom of our hearts thank you for the important information that we the public have to be aware of so we can properly understand and identify that we dont have to buy that junk that is literally made to break down or rape us when we do yry to have it fixed.
"I'll be watching"
--Hyperion--
Apple
I'm so glad you compared apple to Hyperion.
This is super weird since my professor had this exact problem yesterday with his PowerPoint not opening when we were in the lecture. He then randomly decided to disconnect the internet thinking it might fix something (not knowing about this), and it allowed him to open it.
At my place of work, we had something of an internet outtage, and trying to open a citrix environment via the desktop icon, it just popped up "Unable to connect to the 'Store'" and all you could do was click ok on the box.
My god, I must admit that I never truly believed that we would get to this point. Sure, I expected this would happen someday; hell myself along with most of the people watching here probably saw it coming from a mile away, but I was simply not prepared for this becoming reality as fast as it did. I guess I was secretly holding out hope that it would not come to this, that it wouldn't happen so quickly, and that people wouldn't stand for this level of espionage. But they took a nail, then a finger, then the wrist, arm, elbow, upper arm and now they are taking the shoulder and torso. I feel fucking horrible because people need to wake up and start giving a damn about *their* data, but I guess they have yet to experience the irreversible and immutable damage resulting from a situation like this turning into a sufficiently horrible experience to actually start caring. So I am going to chose not to care. I am going to tell everyone I know who uses a Mac about this, and show them the evidence. After that it is out of my hands and it is their responsibility to act. It would be incredibly unhealthy for me to input energy and care about this when those millions of Apple customers obviously don't give a flying fuck, so I won't. I no longer use and will never again buy Macintosh computer. Furthermore I will do my due diligence and spread the word, but that is all that I can do. The ball is in their court now.
Well you can see all the take down notice from apple on Piratebay, Apple isn’t about privacy or your freedoms. Apple been collect data from users for a longtime, Apple sheep ( Apple 😇) can’t do no wrong to users of their products.
@@macgamer1973 I am sorry, but I do not understand the connection between what you said and what I wrote. Would you please elaborate?
@@TheBauwssss It was my honor & pleasure gaze upon this essay. A confession of the coward in plain text; frank of his folded hands which had a hand in this dystopia, unleavened by pc talk, peer pressure, weasel words, and/or to preserve an internet persona (if any). An aimless idiot sins(misses) no more, ye no matter how small the task he takes it up not for himself but for the sake of others our freedom. Such a(n) light(example) this ex-coward flares, burns a fire in me to do the same within my power to start a snow ball. Such a mission requires no money to kickstart, a caring heart for people is a start. a bundle of small actions of others for others, help us come back to freedom together!.
The author's name isn't accurate he sins no more, he was a fool with knowledge, now with wisdom he acts upon knowledge.
Thank you, with regard and respect, I expect to see you in this future battlefield AI.
-Brick.
@@TheBauwssss people allow the passing of the DMCA and Patriot Act , that governments and corp to monitor and steal data from users. If you going to stop using Apple computers, you have to stop using all electronics they all collect data and spy on you. Some cars come with black box to collect data where you going.
Good work freaking me out! I haven't paid much attention to the tor bulletin boards, but I will today.
I mean, to be fair windows 10 has been kinda like that since the”creators” update.
Learn the digital language. They use it to learn you. Make it a conversation and not an interaction.
If you can’t, learn what to look for.
Exactly...very nice!
i mean when ur a power user and know what your doing. then not even windows is calling home base. or forcing updates on you wich migt brick your system.
I recently tried windows and really weirded out by how many times it asking me to send my data or try some features. The operating system industry is so corrupted, I might even need to learn compiling linux from scratch since even some distros already going towards similar path.
@@vogel2499 man I knew got his start on that in high school. It was impressive just how much you can feel like you own the machine that you purchased. You might find some useful info on SomeOrdinarygamer’s channel.
There are some interesting issues here, and misunderstandings.
Lets clear some of them up, first these are OCSP requests, that is "Online Certificate Status Protocol", basically it is a way to contact the certificate provider and verify a security certificate hasn't been revoked by the certificate issuer (certificate authority) by asking them. Now the privacy issue is precisely why today on the web we do something called OCSP stapling where we have the server request the status, which is signed by the certificate authority (so one can verify it came from there and cache it so it doesn't need to look it up every request) and attach it with the certificate in the TLS handshake. Of course, in this case it isn't an encrypted connection we are setting up, there is no server to staple the certificate, that instead is fixed, embedded in the app to run as these are code signing certificates. This causes the following problems:
1) There is only one valid certificate authority (Apple).
2) Apple can revoke certificate to block an application from running. (Walled garden anyone?).
3) OCSP is a terrible protocol that can't work if there is no internet connection.
4) OCSP was never inteded for use for code signing.
5) OCSP could be encrypted to Apple by using HTTPS for the communication, of course this doesn't eliminate number 1, where Apple can still share the data as they are the only OCSP responder servers in the code signing use case.
The idea of having a way to prevent say running hacked version of photoshop that has malware embedded in it by revoking the certificate and signing keys is a reasonable idea, but this method is not a good way to do it.
The Ocsp connection cannot be over tls because how would you check the tls connection's certificate without another Ocsp request and how would you verify that Ocsp server's tls certificate?
@@vampiresRsolame It can be, but OCSP stapling is a thing too as is mentioned in my post as to what we use on the web today due to the privacy concerns. This is code signing OCSP they are doing.
@@vampiresRsolame Adendum, Appendix A, A.1.1 of tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2560
"Where privacy is
a requirement, OCSP transactions exchanged using HTTP MAY be
protected using either TLS/SSL or some other lower layer protocol."
@@EwanMarshall Great. Unfortunately they leave out *how* you would accomplish that. The only way would be to download a CRL for the OCSP server's certificate in which case you may as well have downloaded the CRL in the first place.
OCSP stapling is a good extension and highly recommended for extra security and speed though.
@@vampiresRsolame One has to do something until the top most certificate anyway, and CRL != OCSP, I think CRL is a better solution here. And stapling does break having a circular OCSP verification chain. We already solved that in the connection context. Web browsers do it billion times a day already. The problem is with the code signing side.
I saw this comment on a different about the same issue.
"Apple has responded to this issue and updated their support article at support.apple.com/en-us/HT202491.
In that update, they state, "We have never combined data from these checks with information about Apple users or their devices. We do not use data from these checks to learn what individual users are launching or running on their devices." Further, they promise to update the system over the next year to add: - A new encrypted protocol for Developer ID certificate revocation checks - Strong protections against server failure - A new preference for users to opt out of these security protections"
We shall see...but I have a feeling they'll switch from one spyware to another...until that's discovered.
Double speak?
This man needs to be protected at all costs!!
'Big Sur', or as I call it 'Big Brother'. Mac OS 1984, how ironic.
or "big sus"
can i have big nun instead?
Or "Big Sir" as all servants should address their master
In case someone didn’t know, the “OCSP requests” are pretty standard and used to verify the validity of certificates, and revoke (invalidate) them in case of an issue or such.
Most websites also use this to validate certificates also, but in case of Apple I would assume without detailed knowledge it’s because all Apple apps have to be -signed- in order to be installed on their devices, and thus triggering such requests.
To say that it’s for tracking users would likely be stretching things quite a bit. More likely I would be inclined to saying this would be used to revoke apps from users devices instead if anything.
Anyhow, hope at least someone will find this useful...
They don't need to log your IP to do it.
@@Mernom i hate apple, but i must think that getting the ip address of the request is a by product of the process. I'm not playing devils advocate but those traces are bount to show even if the use is in good will as erik implies. I mean fuck apple, but surely that's a by design protocol "flaw"
I get the feeling this is essentially website-level security extending into desktop apps, but the lack of encryption is a little worrying, since all communication between client and server is encrypted in web applications.
@@ecmxcorp yep, it's in the header itself. Plus, if they don't get your IP the server won't know where to send the 'request valid' signal since it can't identify the source of the request.
This is baseless argument. Given that you're only allowed to install apps from Apple's store and that they 'vet' the apps they sell, once it's on your phone they have _no need_ to verify anything about the app other than it's version, and then only to determine if the app needs to be upgraded.
Chrome users: welcome to our world.
Use an outdated version.
At least Google is honest about it.
Use Bravebrowser, 100% private and safe.
Almost identical to chrome.
@@guardiana3177 brave is scummy they literally just remove all ads and put their own 'safe' ads in that's the most asshole way of making money ever
@@guardiana3177 well brave is chromium based which is just chrome's open source base. You can also use ungoogled chromium which is chromium without any google telemetry and spying that is there even in the open source base.
Edward snowden is an american hero... And i'm not a human being.. im a tablet so track me all you want.
@USA#1 !! username checks out
@USA#1 !! He was about to do that, but Obama went after him with guns blazing, maybe he felt his life was threatened you don't know, I don't fault him from hiding when you have the FBI, CIA, FSA and every other law enforcement agency after your ass. As far as going to Russia, he didn’t have much choice, not too many countries would allow him to stay and would’ve given him up.
@@DetVen When the Thugs come for you, you either outhug them with a revolution or you escape.
@@DetVen Not his life, but he was told when he talked with FBI, cause he wants to go home, that he will be prosecuted WITHOUT jury to judge him.......
So basically the gov wont follow its own laws.....
Just watch in Netflix “Spies craft” and of course slammed Snowden saying he stole 4 miles pile of documents, but they never mentioned it was 4 miles of documentation on how the government is spying on American citizens
Read this on hacker news this morning.
Also: the tracker and packet sent to Apple also happens on recent versions of macOS too. (iirc, Catalina for sure, maybe High Sierra too)
"People are going to buy it anyway"
Well, thanks to you, there will be 1 less person buying it. Who need MacOS when you can have Linux, right? :)
I got Twister OS on my Pi, the UI looks just like a Macintosh.
really too bad that so many pcs r useless
@@willblack7353 interesting I will have to have a look at this
Linux? 😅
@@claudiu4674 lol what's funny?
and this folks is why I never update to the latest firmware/OS upon release. Let others figure out for you this kind of things they try to pull, or bugs for that matter
They'll force the update on you regardless
still at high sierra myself lol
@@CaneSugarCane not if your device is so old that it’s not supported lol, don’t think my 2012 air will ever be updated.
I remember when ios 11 came out, never updated my 6sp, I stayed in ios 10 until ios 12
@@rodrigomaero Funny you say that. I've heard folks say 2012 was the last year 'good' Macbooks were made.
Good'' as in serviceable.
I always say I hate who the technologies are turning out these days, it's not about innovation or for the greater good anymore, it's just money money money, but hey
I SEE YOUR CAT AND I LOVE IT!
At no point did Louis deny installing TikTok on people’s phones against their will. This monster must be stopped.
What?
@@dremoore9436 sarcasm
I'm sure they wanted to invoke Big Sur, but instead it evokes "Big Sir" or "Big Brother".
this
Big Oof
Probably would be easy to set a packet capture of everything outside apple laptop and reroute it somewhere local using Rasberry PI. The app will launch but never gets to the server, if they are expecting ack some developer will figure it out.
You should do a TH-cam vid on how people like me can do that!
You could also just block those packets from the router too... That said, Apple has already stated that they will be releasing an update next year that will allow users to opt out of gatekeeper and allow users to open their apps without being checked to see if they have been infected or altered.
But honestly considering that there's 0 personal data in these requests I'd be more concerned about the aggressive forms of DRM that 3rd party devs are employing that report everything back to them (hardware, user info, software usage stats, etc) then I would a server at Apple knowing that some random Mac at a coffee shop just launched a virus free version of Final Cut Pro...
@@undergroundlighthouse2827 well in windows we just use Ipsecure Policy and we block any Ip we like.Its so easy to find out what is the ip ( ips) involved with software like wiresark etc.
so we block the Ip and voila finito.
Thank goodness people are talking about this
Amazing Big Brother 1984 awareness content my "brother". Keep up the great work FREEDOM FIGHTER. SALUTE TO YOU SIR!
funny considering apple's "Big brother" advert.