From the testing Ive done, and the calcs Ive done factoring in future units, I can concur with Tarz's findings. It is too bad the Fischl/Zhongli/Lisa team didnt work out (though Tarz may have struggled against the mech cube partially due to Fischl A4 not being able to hit the boss), as I thought that it was the most fun idea. Kachina just really doesnt have good enough scalings to do good damage, which I think is a bit of a pity because of the uniqueness of her silly drill hopping. They really seem to want her to be a new artifact holder and nothing else, but if we ever get a unit that could give her skill a meaningful flat dmg while on field (Sigewinne only buffs off field skill dmg) she may be much more competent. Still will probably make a video on DPSing her in 5.1.
I wonder if the new polearm, Mountain-Bracing Bolt, would help Kachina's damage to a significate degree. It's the one she was wielding in the Archon quest, and it buffs skill damage. I got one in the recent banner, but I haven't leveled it, (currently using favonious on her.)
Beidou's Ult porbably had outdated coding since she was once of the earliest characters years ago. bennets snapchat is clearly accidental. but sad for beidou
it’s intentional since Beidou coordinated attack activates “on hit” while Xingchiu an Yelan activate on execute. One is when hitting and the other is when pressing the button (and let’s be honest, it wouldn’t look good if the electricity from her ult hits before the normal/charged attack)
Beidou's ult is an on hit effect that occurs during her charged and normal attacks. Since Kachina's attack functionality is swapped out for her normal attacks, coordinated attacks like Xingqiu and Yelan apply. It doesn't account for the type of damage you deal but rather the way you deal it. Since it uses the normal attack button, it shoots with your normal attacks. The reason Beidou doesn't act the same, is because her lightning doesn't consider Kachina's attaks as normal or charged attacks. Because its skill damage, the burst itself wont register that your normal attacking since its most likely coded to only work when the character hits an attack that uses the normal attack damage. Kachina's cart will always do skill damage, so Beidou's burst wont activate
While farming for Cinder city I got insane obsidian pieces with double crit, double defense, energy recharge and the like, meanwhile I only have 1 usable flower on the other set. Kachina really wants me to man dps her and now that I know normal attacks work with her Gorou and Yun Jin will do well with her I bet.
The way her constellations go, she looks to just be a geo DPS. I was getting tired of all the small characters being healers (except for Klee and Nahida ((who you think would be a healer)), but I would really have liked Kachina to heal. Releasing 3 on field DPS characters at the start of a new region sure limits our Natlan team options.
She’s not a dps. She’s an off-field sub. Her damage is pitiful even when heavily invested, her purpose is to hold cinder city, and provide crystallize reactions, energy regen, and buff Natlan characters.
Bro's account is so cursed, why does he have a level 90 Xinyan and a level 90 Alloy but Neuvilette only at level 20 and like 7 pretty good 5 starts at 1 😭😭. God gives bread to those who don't want it
@mdarieXV Ah but playing inside the meta is too in my opinion. With a stacked team of good enough characters you can freely enjoy the exploration and story without worrying even once about the enemies. And while you could technically achive that with off meta characters too, with meta relevant characters is MUCH MUCH more easy. Speaking from experience here, as a F2P that managed to get Arlecchino, Furina, Yelan and Kazuha thanks to their lucky reruns as I started playing
Kachina my goat is spiraling down the abyss. Also, this is off-topic, but the CC that made the HSR relic "manipulation" has recently made one for ZZZ (following the same process of rolling). I was anticipating he will make one for ZZZ considering it's a new gacha game, but damn it still blows my mind that many people still buy into the whole "relic manipulation" bullshit. Your video on HSR relic manipulation was a godsend because I was like FINALLY someone says that this is not it, plus it statistically proves that there is too little of a sample size and too much bias happening in the data sheet to prove that the relic thing works. Would love to know your thoughts on this topic as I am also currently looking into this.
The purpose of that video was more to highlight the issues of their studies and what conclusions they derive from them. Proving their theory explicitly wrong is difficult as you would have to do the same study but with swapped null and alternative hypotheses essentially. I don't really know if that CC and his group has improved the data taking method he utilizes. One thing that irked me about the way his group does these studies is that they throw out their assumptions willy nilly without a statistically significant basis for why they do so. One example of this is the special UID days they claimed for HSR. It is completely fine to have this theory, but the way they threw it out wasn't justified according to their data. I don't know what they are doing with ZZZ but I hope it is better than what they did for HSR.
Now that we have Xilonen, you can use her instead of Zhogndong, since she offers 36% res shred and 40% damage bonus compared to what old grandpa offers with his 20% res shred. Keeping the shield up with how Kachina's skill works shouldn't be an issue, as she collects shards up, so the geo resonance will work just fine. Then you can a 4p Obsidian Codex and maybe she will reach like 25k per jump... which is still not good. We desperately need a good spear that can work on DEF scaling chars, presumably something with high crit damage stat and damage bonus/flat damage in passive, since the craftable doesn't really cut it. Alternatively, if we get a Yunjin for elemental skill, then Kachina migth get a chance at getting at least somewhere with her pathetic damage. Oh and you can switch off Kokomi to someone better, like Mona for even more damage bonus, since Xilonen does an absurd amount of healing.
I honestly don't know if I am going to update the Genshin only series I do any time soon. Irl obligations have gotten increased and so less time to play any games, much less edit.
Her skill does proc qiqi healing, I don't think Mika works because his talent description states normal attacks have to hit an opponent, similar wording to that of Beidou's ult.
I think I neglected to fully explain in the video, I wanted to get the video out a week after natlan's release so that's why the "time limit" was there
From the testing Ive done, and the calcs Ive done factoring in future units, I can concur with Tarz's findings.
It is too bad the Fischl/Zhongli/Lisa team didnt work out (though Tarz may have struggled against the mech cube partially due to Fischl A4 not being able to hit the boss), as I thought that it was the most fun idea.
Kachina just really doesnt have good enough scalings to do good damage, which I think is a bit of a pity because of the uniqueness of her silly drill hopping. They really seem to want her to be a new artifact holder and nothing else, but if we ever get a unit that could give her skill a meaningful flat dmg while on field (Sigewinne only buffs off field skill dmg) she may be much more competent. Still will probably make a video on DPSing her in 5.1.
I wonder if the new polearm, Mountain-Bracing Bolt, would help Kachina's damage to a significate degree. It's the one she was wielding in the Archon quest, and it buffs skill damage. I got one in the recent banner, but I haven't leveled it, (currently using favonious on her.)
SIGGEWINNE ONLY BUFFS OFF FIELD?? I WAS GONNA USE HER WITH KACHINA 😭😭😭
Beidou's Ult porbably had outdated coding since she was once of the earliest characters years ago. bennets snapchat is clearly accidental. but sad for beidou
Xingqiu and Beidou released at the same time tho
Omg Bennett has Snapchat??😻
it’s intentional since Beidou coordinated attack activates “on hit” while Xingchiu an Yelan activate on execute. One is when hitting and the other is when pressing the button (and let’s be honest, it wouldn’t look good if the electricity from her ult hits before the normal/charged attack)
@@FakeRDSamuraiReleased doesn't mean they were created at the same time, Beidou was likely created and polished before him
Snapchat 💀
LVL 20 NUEVI BESIDE THAT LVL 20 GOROU SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT THIS MAN AND HIS ACCOUNT
Real
when u play for actual fun and not really competitive
I just recently got to AR 60, and my Zhongli and Diluc are still at lvl 1 🤣
@leonakalionking zhongli is NEEDED
@@leonakalionking diluc deserved HAHAHAHAHA
Beidou's ult is an on hit effect that occurs during her charged and normal attacks. Since Kachina's attack functionality is swapped out for her normal attacks, coordinated attacks like Xingqiu and Yelan apply. It doesn't account for the type of damage you deal but rather the way you deal it. Since it uses the normal attack button, it shoots with your normal attacks.
The reason Beidou doesn't act the same, is because her lightning doesn't consider Kachina's attaks as normal or charged attacks. Because its skill damage, the burst itself wont register that your normal attacking since its most likely coded to only work when the character hits an attack that uses the normal attack damage. Kachina's cart will always do skill damage, so Beidou's burst wont activate
Hurricane Kachina, more like hurricane tortilla
While farming for Cinder city I got insane obsidian pieces with double crit, double defense, energy recharge and the like, meanwhile I only have 1 usable flower on the other set. Kachina really wants me to man dps her and now that I know normal attacks work with her Gorou and Yun Jin will do well with her I bet.
Yunjin only buffs normal attack damage so kachina does not work with her as the drill plunges are skill damage
The way her constellations go, she looks to just be a geo DPS. I was getting tired of all the small characters being healers (except for Klee and Nahida ((who you think would be a healer)), but I would really have liked Kachina to heal. Releasing 3 on field DPS characters at the start of a new region sure limits our Natlan team options.
She’s not a dps. She’s an off-field sub. Her damage is pitiful even when heavily invested, her purpose is to hold cinder city, and provide crystallize reactions, energy regen, and buff Natlan characters.
Me and the other 5 kachina fans cheered
Bro's account is so cursed, why does he have a level 90 Xinyan and a level 90 Alloy but Neuvilette only at level 20 and like 7 pretty good 5 starts at 1 😭😭. God gives bread to those who don't want it
And you damn well know he got Neuvillette while wishing for some obscure 0.01% usage 4 star.
Playing for fun outside of meta is freeing fr
@mdarieXV Ah but playing inside the meta is too in my opinion. With a stacked team of good enough characters you can freely enjoy the exploration and story without worrying even once about the enemies. And while you could technically achive that with off meta characters too, with meta relevant characters is MUCH MUCH more easy. Speaking from experience here, as a F2P that managed to get Arlecchino, Furina, Yelan and Kazuha thanks to their lucky reruns as I started playing
Kachina my goat is spiraling down the abyss. Also, this is off-topic, but the CC that made the HSR relic "manipulation" has recently made one for ZZZ (following the same process of rolling). I was anticipating he will make one for ZZZ considering it's a new gacha game, but damn it still blows my mind that many people still buy into the whole "relic manipulation" bullshit. Your video on HSR relic manipulation was a godsend because I was like FINALLY someone says that this is not it, plus it statistically proves that there is too little of a sample size and too much bias happening in the data sheet to prove that the relic thing works. Would love to know your thoughts on this topic as I am also currently looking into this.
The purpose of that video was more to highlight the issues of their studies and what conclusions they derive from them. Proving their theory explicitly wrong is difficult as you would have to do the same study but with swapped null and alternative hypotheses essentially. I don't really know if that CC and his group has improved the data taking method he utilizes. One thing that irked me about the way his group does these studies is that they throw out their assumptions willy nilly without a statistically significant basis for why they do so. One example of this is the special UID days they claimed for HSR. It is completely fine to have this theory, but the way they threw it out wasn't justified according to their data. I don't know what they are doing with ZZZ but I hope it is better than what they did for HSR.
All those lvl 1 characters or killing cause i want them,bro level them up 😭don’t do them dirty like that💀
really nice transitions there!
Its so awkward lol
I didn't notice any transitions... Oh.
Now that we have Xilonen, you can use her instead of Zhogndong, since she offers 36% res shred and 40% damage bonus compared to what old grandpa offers with his 20% res shred. Keeping the shield up with how Kachina's skill works shouldn't be an issue, as she collects shards up, so the geo resonance will work just fine. Then you can a 4p Obsidian Codex and maybe she will reach like 25k per jump... which is still not good. We desperately need a good spear that can work on DEF scaling chars, presumably something with high crit damage stat and damage bonus/flat damage in passive, since the craftable doesn't really cut it. Alternatively, if we get a Yunjin for elemental skill, then Kachina migth get a chance at getting at least somewhere with her pathetic damage. Oh and you can switch off Kokomi to someone better, like Mona for even more damage bonus, since Xilonen does an absurd amount of healing.
Footprint of the rainbow is her signature weapon also oddly enough its not just her BiS
I'd say hopefully this gets more people to build her but Xio is coming out
No husk sadness.
WHOOO!!! MORE GENSHIN!!!
also dont mind me, but when would catalyst only be updated with the release of Maulani?
I honestly don't know if I am going to update the Genshin only series I do any time soon. Irl obligations have gotten increased and so less time to play any games, much less edit.
she needs more constellations
I got a c2 Xilonen and am tempted to do a dps Kachina team too.
Another member in the casually 100%ing Natlan on release fam
and no pyro traveler
What if, pyro traveller is the pyro applicator that we've been waiting for?
That's why they didn't release it early
@@needforspeed20yearsago.33 pls pyro traveler don't be hydro traveler 2.0 😭
@@Hanya-wu haha,let's all hope,
@needforspeed20yearsago.33
...welp.
Huh time limit?
Hope you do Gorou at some point!
I'll try to, physical gorou doesn't sound like the most appealing thing to do abyss with though...
Even a mid obsidian codex would beat a good husk set. Husk is sunk cost for the most part
I got a question. Why don't you unlock the constellation? Why?? I don't get it????
Bro just build emblem zhongli😂 and you’ll do like 200k burst each 10 sec or whatever his cooldown
How is your kokomi built? She's healing so much everyone at the same time, how?
Probably using prototype archaic catalyst. Craftable, hp% scaling, and heals full team on burst
Can she pierce the heaven tho?
Wait why she deal very low damage 😭 my kachina with lv 7 talent can did 15k per hit
Have u tested if kachina skill can trigge rmika or qiqi healing?
Her skill does proc qiqi healing, I don't think Mika works because his talent description states normal attacks have to hit an opponent, similar wording to that of Beidou's ult.
2:06 oh mai gah you have so mach lvl 1 5 stars-
Kachina’s best team has to be hyperbloom but u dont swap to kachina😂
Bro you have lvl 20 Neuvilette
So? That's all what Neuvi needs.
@@MarionFR cap
@@IcyKitty153 truth
What is the limited time thing about?
I think I neglected to fully explain in the video, I wanted to get the video out a week after natlan's release so that's why the "time limit" was there
Beidou's Stormbreaker is consider Elemental Burst damage, not Normal Attack damage. . .
I though you would already knew this TarZ >_
thats not the issue its more like beidou doesn't trigger on normal attack but rather on dealing normal attack damage
how do you even get the billet?
A lot of crystal solvent was used to convert billets 😅
@@TarZBlammo ok i never knew this lmao
But... She is a main dps
11:46 how in the world did that count? 😦