Thanks, Chris. Were it not for the NFA, the FN P90 would have sold like hotcakes and the 5.7 would have been more mainstream. The FN Five-Seven still would have been a bridesmaid. To expensive with no real benefit.
5.7 is hot trash lmao there is a good reason why soldiers, law enforcement, and security forces tried then abandoned the "pistol sized rifle round" and became more of a fad for armchair tacticool utubers
@@amishdinkledork gotta remember. There is a lot of politics and power interest involved,in these decision. If they'd gone with 5,7 someone would've lost lost money
@@amishdinkledorkThe 5.7 and P90 was designed to be a lightweight system to defeat body armor for rear units(out of fear of russian paratroopers mostly) The 9mm would obviously be better on soft targets, which is why smgs like MP5 are so popular for police work, less risk of overpenatration and they were already using them
A midling pistol that even in its prime was only interesting for it's caliber but hampered by its price. Now it's been outpaced and undercut in the niche it created
My favourite part about it is the safety. It's so convenient, finger's already there. P90 has a great safety placement too. The 2 guns also share a ridiculously easy takedown procedure.
Can't wait for the ballistics test! Just yesterday, after watching your Rifle vs Pistol ballistics, I started googling around to see if there were any tests showing 5.7 getting up to enough velocity to impact terminal ballistics. Didn't find great resources, so eager to see what you come up with!
Velocities under 2000fps are clearly in handgun territory. The thing about 5.7x28 is that it's velocities in handgun barrels generally don't reach the point of causing rifle-style wounds. But it's close, and they do in longer barrels. I don't remmebrr exactly, but I think we need at least 2200 or 2300 fps. That's dependent on bullet design. What continues to make 5.7 pistol ballistics interesting against unarmored opponents is continued development by small ammunition manufacturers to produce smaller, lighter, usually machined bullets at higher velocity to attempt much greater wounding potential. It's not hard proof of anything, but you might be interested in a police report of handgun cartridge ballistics testing from the last couple of years that had surprisingly good results with some of the newer, more exotic 5.7 rounds and recommended further testing. It's hard to tell if 5.7 can possibly achieve rifle-velocity wound effects or not. It might be possible with the best ammunition, but it's pushing the envelope of the cartridge. Really, an even faster pistol cartridge would need to be designed to achieve even higher velocities. No one has yet designed a cartridge with acceptable size and recoil to consistently achieve rifle velocities from a duty-size handgun.
@@Paelorian Velocity and Kinetic Energy are not the same. You can increase Velocity and not gain anything in stopping power over unarmored targets (save for even more penetration that is pointless as it already goes through and through some level 3 armor). Quite a few other channels have tested these rounds. James Reeves, TFB TV, ect..
@@crisnmaryfam7344 Increasing kinetic energy does not necessarily increase wounding. In conventional handgun ballistics, velocity does not matter and energy only indirectly matters. Handgun bullets just poke a hole. Larger calibers and expanding bullets poke larger holes. Velocity is not relevant unless it's to defeat body armor or other obstacles. A slow heavy bullet can also penetrate deeply, sometimes deeper (as it will in water). This changes with some modern machined bullet designs as pioneered and popularized by Lehigh Defense. While still controversial in some quarters, the claim is that their bullet flutes can cause damage beyond what is directly touched by the bullet at handgun velocities. But less controversially and more significantly, velocity becomes extremely relevant for wounding performance once it crosses the threshold into rifle velocities. This is why a 55gr .223 bullet has such an effect, even though kinetic energy is not especially high. It causes more damage than a .44 Magnum of similar kinetic energy and much larger caliber. Because at rifle velocity, bullets can do things like violently fragment and/or cause wounds by creating temporary cavities large enough to flex flesh behind it's elasticity and tear it. An unmet dream of handgun cartridge design is to reach rifle velocities, since that would enable greater wounding effect with less kinetic energy. The 5.7x28mm was not designed to do this, it's speed was intended for greater armor penetrating ability. But people wonder about and experiment with 5.7 because it's so fast. It is unlikely to be possible with current propellants and pressures to design a handgun round that reaches rifle velocities from a short barrel without great recoil. But people dream, because this would be a way to increase the size of wounds without increasing kinetic energy. Once rifle velocities are achieved, you can make the bullet act in ways handgun bullets generally do not once they arrive at the target. I used to think like you, that velocity didn't matter in wound ballistics and energy was everything. Energy is something, but now velocity is more important to me in rifle ballistics. But for a reason you might not be thinking about: rifle bullets have velocity thresholds below which they perform as handgun bullets. Once a 5.56mm NATO round loses enough velocity, it might as well be a .22 Long Rifle. It will just poke a .22 caliber hole, an "icepick" wound. Good ammunition manufacturers specify a minimum velocity for their bullets to work as intended in regard to terminal performance. This is true of military, defense, and hunting ammunition for rifles. Below a certain velocity, bullets will no longer expand or fragment. They'll just travel through and poke holes, like handgun bullets. So if you need bullets that perform at range for hunting or military use, the velocity of your rifle bullets at range is more important than the energy they carry. While energy and velocity will gradually decrease over a bullets range, at a certain distance velocity will drop below the minimum needed for the bullet to act as designed and the effectiveness of the round will quickly decrease. If you want rifle bullets to behave like rifle bullets, they need rifle velocities. So effective range is often limited by minimum velocity, not minimum kinetic energy. The bullet may still hit with energy, but it will just be poking a small caliber hole. The large wounds possible with rifle ammunition require high velocities. As for 5.7x28mm, with a long barrel and high velocity ammo true "mini 5.56" effects should be possible despite the low energy of the bullet, although this depends on bullet design. We don't have M855A1 bullets scaled down to 5.7mm. But the point is, a fast enough bullet could "punch above it's weight". So much of the energy of handgun ammunition is lost stretching elastic flesh into a temporary wound cavity. At handgun speeds, it's totally irrelevant and in ballistics gel we only look at the permanent wound cavity. But with a fast enough bullet, we could put that energy into violent fragmentation or other effects that cause more damage to flesh. I don't think 5.7mm rifle velocities can be achieved in regular 5.7mm handguns. I'm curious the results of people who are trying. Some get close enough to rifle velocities that it's possible the bullets tear more flesh than slower bullets with the same kinetic energy. That means more wounding at the same level of recoil. For a PDW with a longer barrel I'd rather use 5.56mm since it's small and light recoiling enough anyway. And it has better firearms and ammunition options. The ammo is generally superior to 5.7mm, and there are very small 5.56mm and .300BLK carbines available now: the IWI X95, the Desert Tech MDRx Micron, Sig's short barreled carbines, etc. I'd take a short barreled X95 over a P90 any day, unless hunting small game.
Just got mine yesterday. Couldn’t be happier. Most exciting purchase for me. I’ve always wanted an FN that wasn’t a rifle and since I live in California this is the only one available for me
IN CALIFORNIA THIS GUN WILL COST $1600 WITH ALL THE TAXES IF YOU CAN FIND THE AMMO TWO 50 ROUND BOXES WILL COST $120 RANGE TIME WILL COST $21 PLUS TARGETS GAS IS ALMOST $6 PER GALLON AND WE STOPED EATING FOOD TO BUY OTHER THINGS.
This is a great channel. I recently had the opportunity to fire guns for the first time (I'm a California native, so no "backyard shooting" for me growing up), and your "how to use" videos on the AR-15 and pistols allowed me confidence going in and to impress the employees at the range with my first-timer knowledge and handling. I've since fallen absolutely in love with guns and your channel is full of well-presented informative videos that answer a lot of questions better than other channels/reading wikipedia. keep up the good work! P.S. before getting into guns I never realized how awful California is when it comes to gun law. I've always hated it here for other reasons, but that straw broke the camel's back and I'm planning on moving to Montana.
That is a great title. The 90's pistol of the future. The 5.7 cartridge is great, but you are right, the Ruger and S&W seem to be more popular. Maybe because FN stuff is always too expensive? Not sure... The FN 57 looks weird with such a tiny barrel on such a chonky gun. Like if they made a 22lr Hi-point, I still feel like it would look like the FN 57 USG, only worse...
FN stuff is almost ALWAYS too expensive. the only gun from that wasnt expensive was the FNS-9/40. The scar 17 is an ar18 scaled up to 308 and yet it costs 4250 dollars at minimum.
It's because with the addition of Ruger, PSA, and S&W, the poors have been able to get into the 5.7 market, and they have a long-time vengeance with the FN for keeping them out.
Personally, the FN Five-seveN pistol is my favorite of the 5.7's. The S&W and PSA have their advantages but for its intended use-case scenario, which is more of a PDW style bag gun, I prefer the design of the FN. The ergos actually work really well with my hand and I like that style of safety as opposed to a traditional safety that's either too far back or too wide and in the way or too easily switched on/off. And with the low recoil, I can shoot it for long periods without any discomfort, which I cannot say for most polymer 9mm pistols. These guns, despite being light, are not really meant for concealed carry due to the need for a longer barrel. I think most people just don't quite "get" the 5.7, but when you do, you start to really appreciate it. They are a bit pricey though so that's always been a negative factor.
I used to be obsessed with the idea of owning one. I’m tiny so the idea of having 20 shots with minimal recoil was appealing. But the cartridge means the grip is always going to be too long for my hands. I’m stuck using pistols with paddle mag releases since standard button ones are always out of reach.
Same for me. I really love 5.7 and 22 magnum pistols, but they always have the mag release so far out of reach. I wish that heel mag releases would come back. I loved my grandpa's old Ruger Standard with the heel release.
Yeah I've got tiny hands too. I hear people say, "This grip is terrible! What is this, a gun for ants??" and I'm like "it's a gun for me" I actually own a Taurus PT111 Millennium G2. And yes I know Taurus has earned their fair share of hate but I've put a thousand rounds through it without a single malfunction so I trust it. It was the only thing I could afford at the time and I had a pressing need for home defense. Short story long, it fits my hands perfectly. Would not recommend it for normal-people hands lol.
I usually just get used to shifting my grip slightly to hit the mag release then shift back, though I like shooting Desert Eagles so anything seems small to me. lol
One thing I like about the Five-seveN is it’s the only service pistol that uses polymer in its slide as well. Always wondered why more pistols don’t do that since it can reduce the weight of the reciprocating mass when firing. People do lightening cuts all the time for race pistols for that reason, but those are never good for duty use since dirt and debris can get inside. But if you covered up those cuts with polymer, it’d still be much lighter while being enclosed from the elements. The slide is still mostly made of steel, since it still needs to contain exploding gunpowder, but it’s nice that polymer is used there too. Though that might also be why the pistol is so expensive for a polymer gun, since I know the cheaper competitors don’t do that and just have lightening cuts instead for many of them (or just an all steel slide and be slightly heavier).
@@TH-camHandlesAreMoronic Doesn’t mean the principle of reducing the recoiling mass to reduce felt recoil while also reducing weight isn’t a good thing.
@@gameragodzilla Essentially, "Yes it does." The "recoiling mass" can be lowered because low-power rounds are being employed. If one plans on using self-defense power ammo, a unusually light slide would not be desireable. There's no free lunch in physics.
I took this concealed carry class where the guy ended up being a scammer. He misrepresented his credentials and took everyone’s money. Then later we found out when dropping our paperwork off to get our CCW licenses, the state employee knew of him and explicitly told us that his course doesn’t count and that he’s basically not certified and a scammer. During the entire class with him, it was just one big commercial for USCCA (which I vehemently believe is the biggest scam in the gun world). But when he wasn’t shilling for an insurance company, he spent the rest of the time preaching the virtues of his five seven, which was his carry pistol of choice. Now whenever I see a 5.7, I throw up in my mouth a little because it’s tainted by the foul smell of a morbidly obese scammer and USCCA shill.
From a technical perspective, this pistol (and the Ruger 57) is pre-cocked double action. Much like a striker fired pistol, the hammer is cocked most of the way, and pulling it fully pulls the trigger and releases it with the sear. This is why the trigger is much worse than a true single action like a 1911, or a Hi Power (without the mag disconnect safety). The trigger still performs 2 actions, its just organized in a way that has a manual of arms more similar to that of a single action pistol but with better drop safety.
I hope Lucky Gunner includes the best high-end defensive ammo in it's 5.7mm ammo comparison! There's been a lot of development and innovation in 5.7x28mm ammo and I believe the newer machined bullet designs represent the cutting edge of what the cartridge is capable of out of handguns. But I've seen limited testing of rounds that, while appearing promising, are often expensive, produced on a small scale, and considered "boutique". But I want to see cartridges at their peak performance. If I buy a gun to defend myself, I seek to load it with the most effective ammo when I'm off the range. Thanks for the good, fair review of this modern landmark pistol on it's own terms. I will enjoy the comparions to come with newer, more modern designs. I appreciate the improvements of newer pistols, and I also appreciate that the groundbreaking FN Five-seveN paved the way for descendents and competitors using the same or similar cartridge, concepts, and ideas. In some ways the Five-seveN is dated, but in some ways it remains absolutely state of the art. Capacity, light weight, polymer-encased slide, some aspects of the design.
I owned a PSA Rock for awhile and its a fine weapon. I dig the idea of the low recoil, high capacity, high efficacy package, but I found its just plain not fun to shoot, and its not super concealable. At least with my experience the casings get launched out with such authority that in an indoor range I got hit with as much brass as the target got lead. Obviously this is only an issue for that environment, and if I used an outside range maybe I'd have kept it. However it would have had to have been a range toy as I don't have the mass to make a full size pistol like the Rock work as a CCW with printing more than the Washington Post. Plus with the cost of 5.7....oof.
I will never understand 5.7 fanboys. It’s made to penetrate armor well, but chances are your attacker won’t be armored. Why carry a spicy .22 magnum instead of 9mm? Capacity is great but still
less recoil and more capacity than 9mm, more reliability than 22mag. if 22mag had centerfire reliability the m&p 22mag or keltec pmr30 would be a good option, less power than 5.7 but ever more capacity. but unfortunately rimfire isnt really reliable.
@@thatoldyankeesguy I said “Spicy” .22 magnum, I acknowledged the slight power difference. But honestly the jump from 17 rounds to 20 rounds isn’t all that appealing. I’d love a p90 but 5.7 handguns seem silly. You gotta give low caliber high velocity rounds a little more barrel to get peak performance. I acknowledge that extremely low recoil is great for fast follow up shots, but I’d rather poke three effective holes than poke 5-8 smaller holes that are more dependent on placement.
The question was "what do we do if kevlar-clad Russians start parachuting to our backlines". The answer was either this, or the expensive 9mm sabot rounds.
5.7 is way to expensive to train regularly with for the average consumer. Bring those prices in line with 9mm, and I'm sure it will get more attention. Cost matters. Especially these days. Geez.
For the normal citizen, in a normal self-defense situation, a 9mm is perfectly adequate. You can train with it just fine and cost effectively. If you need long distance and high-capacity for a carry gun, you are doing self-defense wrong.
I am a BIG fan of the PSA Rock 5.7. I have not shot the FN57 but watching your video review, it sounds quite a bit inferior to the PSA especially for the price. Although the original AP ammo is not legal for FFL's to sell, there are some ways to get small quantities of it legally and it has amazing armor penetration abilities (my own testing showed that it could go through SIX layers of level IIIA armor, although it is stopped by all hard body armor). Also, the SS198LF round (copper jacket, aluminum core) is legal for sale in the US (even though FN calls it "LE restricted") and it will go through one layer of level IIIA body armor.
I wish I could buy one, they are nice. I've played around with the gen 2 and it was nice. I plan on getting the S&W 5.7 soon. I think people complaining about ammo prices for it fail to understand that it used to be only FN making ammo, which was abouf $50 for 50 rounds. Now with several brands it's about $35-$40 for 50. The only reason why 9mm and 5.56 are super cheap is due to ammo manufactuers mainly producing those calibers (I'm looking at you 410 with your lack of avalibility). Eventually it will drop in price, but I'm glad it's getting some love
People complain about the price, even though it is cheaper than many others. 10mm, is similarly priced, where .357 and .44 are typically twice as expensive, but nobody gets discouraged from those calibers.
I've had a five seven USG since around the time they came out. Was never impressed with the ballistic performance of available ammo, and the thing is nearly the size of a desert eagle to conceal. Recently I picked up the S&W 5.7. It's the width of a single stack 9mm, it's almost as light, and it holds more ammo. With the availability of better ammo on the market today, I have it currently as my daily carry.
Worked for Battlestar Galactica. Their pistols were all 5-7s with this goofy 50 cal explosive rocket thingy on the rail... and their Rifles were all Berretta Storm.
The Five Seven is my daily concealed carry. It was always a dream gun of mine and I ended up finding a Cali model for cheap and got some 20rnd mags for it. It's cemented itself as my favorite CCW. Part due to the ballistics, and partly due to the low weight and high round capacity. I used to carry a smaller Sig, with 8rnds of 9mm. This gun, with 20rnds, feels lighter and is just overall much better to operate. For the size, I barely feel it on my hip. And that was the one thing I was looking for, is more fire power and not feeling like my waist band was sagging due to weight. Having 20 rounds, plus sometimes taking an extra mag, it's easy to conceal and I feel much safer having a high round capability should I need it. You can def get an older, used one for cheaper. And honestly I don't think I'd switch my concealed carry anytime soon
Twenty-Five YEARS?! Egad! I remember trying to convince the power that were that we 'needed' these for our fledgling SWAT team (and being soundly and summarily shot down just as most of my "reasonable" requests were, LOL). Yeesh! That would make me .... fifty-nevermind. Ha! You said it right, to me it feels like a toy because it's weirdly light for it's size. I've always liked the quirky thing, but never owned one. Now, though, I gotta give the nod to its more innovative American counterparts. And NOW, with the fires relit, I'm off to GunBroker ... sigh ... I guess that new counter-top is gonna have to wait ... again. ;)
Price is absolutely ridiculous on these. I paid $250 for a Tokarev tt-33 chambered in 7.62x 25, capable of going through a level 3 vest. Tokarev is cheap, reliable and has the stopping power.
I really enjoy the 5.7. I've long wanted something like that cartridge. I really look forward to the ballistic results. Either way, I carry my psa on and off 🎉 depending on the drive
Plenty of that out and about by now. Plenty of other channels have real world tested it against a number of things including rated body armor. Facts are its better than 9 and .45, and you can hold so many more shots. The only thing it really lacks is "stopping power" thanks to its insane penetration capability, but it will cut through armor and body panels like hot butter.
Notice how the FN 57's price is dropping? SW, Palmetto, and Ruger's price is way lower and is forcing FN to become more competitive in pricing. Competition is a good thing to consumers.
I recently purchased this same gun. After 2 trips to the range I have decided I am not a fan of the gun. Love the 5.7 just not the way it feels in my hand. Think I am going to sell it. I also recently purchased the Ruger LC but have not had the opportunity to get to the range with it yet. Hoping to like this one more. I think the 5.7 is better out of a carbine also.
Ah i love the FN5.7 but it has one really really big flaw, and its why i would never use it as a self defense or even home defense gun. You see, no matter what model you have, when ever you fire the last round in the magazine, and the slide locks, there is this critical failure that always happens. Its the realization that it would have been cheaper to just let an assailant rob you then fire a full magazine of 5.7.
Ammo price discouraged me before anything else. When the AR upper came out with cartridges being ejected through the magazine well, I was really interested because I’m a lefty and that feature is very lefty friendly. Just wasn’t looking to being forced into buying ammo that expensive even when other ammo was cheap.
I'm a little shocked they never released these in .22LR or .22 Magnum. It wouldn't shoot 5.7, and would lose all its uniqueness and utility, but you wouldn't pay a buck a shot, either. And people would probably still buy it, especially after Battlestar Galactica used them.
I'm chomping at the bit for the full 5.7x28mm caliber breakdown, so many other channels have taken cracks at it but they don't have the same attention to detail.
Kel-Tecs are interesting. When they work, they work beautifully but when they don't work, they'll never work and there's no way to know which one you'll get. Kel-Tec: great design company, not always so great at turning those designs into reality.
@@bwofficial1776 understood. I own a PMR30, CMR30, and RDB defender as mentioned. No issues whatsoever. The PMR surprises me to this day since I've done no upgrades to it and still, not a single jam. The only jam on the RDB was self induced when adjusting the gas system; which youre kinda supposed to do. So whats your experience?
i saw a post on reddit that guy emptied a magazine in the robber that wanted his wallet at the end he realized that he spent more on ammo than if he just handed over the wallet
My gun dealer was trying to steer me away from the Five SeveN and trying to get me to buy a Smith & Wesson 57. You’re right the Five SeveN is a blocky feel to it, feels like an airsoft toy. But I was amazed at the extremely lightweight. The Smith & Wesson looks like a better quality gun with an added feature such as threaded barrel, but unfortunately, I’ve heard some negative reviews about it. A lot of jamming issues and quality control issues. I have seen videos of reviews comparing 357 different model guns given the Smith & Wesson the thumbs up. You certainly get more gun for your money at $650. But what good is that if there are quality control issues with Smith & Wesson? I figure that a Belgium made European gun would be a better quality, even though it is lighter. I will say that law enforcement really hate it when civilians owned a 57 firearm. They know full well that their 3A bulletproof vest are useless against a weapon like this.
HK did design a "USP 4.6" called the "UCP" but they gave up on it because it didn't perform well enough for them in that form factor supposedly. And HK making a 5.7 is very unlikely anytime soon because they had a major rivalry and lawsuit with FN over it back in the day.
@@Bristecom I'm familiar with the UCP but that was really a very different pistol from the USP. Everything I've seen of it suggests that it was always DAO with no exposed hammer, and the modular trigger group of the USP is one of my favorite things about it.
Anecdotal, but I'll tell you I was all prepared to hate the Ruger... First time I set up an optic for a customer, went to test fire it at our "range," and found to my astonishment that I'd kept 10 rounds in about a quarter sized group from 10 yards, offhand and unsupported, without really trying. The thing is stupid accurate for me. Your mileage may vary.
I wonder if something is up with my Five seveN IOM (got it used). Everyone says the triggers are not good. Now, it's no 1911 trigger, so I suppose compared to most SAO triggers it isn't the best, but I think it beats the pants off of most striker fired triggers. It's at least comparable to the SA mode of most duty oriented handguns (say, an HK USP), which again I'd say beats most striker fired triggers.
There are two types of people- those who have the FN and love it, and those who dont have the FN and hate it. There are very few who operate outside those bounds.
I grew up during the Five Seven's intro into video games, and then its rise into that oddball prime time Holy Grail pistol we know today. Even the times I rented it years ago, I'm still surprised at how advanced it is -- even to this very day.
I love my FN FsN, but I really wish it had the trigger of the Ruger 57. The Five Seven Mk2 is literally the second gun I ever bought, entirely because of how much I used it in counter strike as a kid lol. It also got me into reloading because that was the only real way to shoot it without completely breaking the bank.
I always wanted an FN Five Seven, until I bought one (Mark II). The gun just feels too big and plasticy to me - like a child’s toy gun (I typed that before the part where you called it “toy-like” so I’m clearly not alone in that opinion:). I recently sold it, but I do like the cartridge so I do plan on buying the Smith & Wesson 5.7 as soon as my suppressor ticket clears. I like that the S&W comes with a threaded barrel.
Cost: the point that always scuppers discussion. It all depends on why one is buying a weapon. Do you want a high-end weapon from one of the MOST prestigious manufacturers in the world, or settle for a weapon made by some less reputable manufacturer, just because it is in the US (one of the main reasons touted)? Ammunition: I was recently in Florida, US, and visited a big gun store. I posed this sticky question of cost and availability, so he took me into the vault and asked if I'd like to buy a pallet load, or a box of 20! He also gave me a price, which was admittedly higher than 9mm, but not prohibitively so, and all their ammo was FN brand ammo! Size: I have quite small hands and handling the Five seveN was a little strange at first (I'm more used to the Browning Hi Power, which I've used for decades), but I soon got used to the heft and I liked the light weight. One other advantage to mention is the commonality of the ammo with the PS90 (or the PS90 SBR).
Always complaining about ammo cost yet the last order of ammo I got in 5.7 the cost per round was cheaper than 556 and 45 acp! Yes it's more expensive than say 9mm or 40 but not like it used to be. Not unless you get into the premium self defense ammo. Speaking g of, you really do need to get some of the high end ammo to really take full advantage of the rounds capability, most off the shelf stuff is pretty anemic. The biggest benefit for me is the weight and size of the ammo, those little 50 round boxes are half the size of a box of 9mm and about 1/3rd the weight. Looking to throw a couple hundred rounds into a backpack to carry around with you long distance? Look no further than 5.7 for that.
I already got burned by obscure ammo when I bought a gun that uses 327 Federal. 5.7x28 is easier to find but still terribly expensive. I also spoke to a former military guy who shot it a lot and said it over penetrates at short distances and under penetrates at distance. He recommended to avoid it so I have.
I disagree with its feel. The feel in my hand is perfect along with the safety switch location. I’m looking for a good magnetic light/laser but haven’t looked too hard since I love my current holster.
I’m old enough to remember my dad and uncle’s having discussions about guns in the 80s and 90s. I remember them shit talking Glocks when they first hit our shores. I remember them talking shit about ARs and 5.56. I have one uncle who still to this day would still take his M14 from Vietnam any day over any M16. Maybe we’re in a similar shift today. Departments have to think about a lot more than just individual stopping power of a round. If you have a round that can be used in a sidearm and a rifle (aids in logistics), it’s lighter than anything you had previously (allowing you to carry more without fatigue), and can be carried with more rounds in your weapon without sacrificing weight or size. But, still inflict a reasonable casualty rate? If so, then that’s a win. When we switched from 45s, 308s, and 30.06s to 9mm and 5.56 it was met with the same resistance for 50 years.
I love my Five-seveN! Problem for me was holstering the SOB. Not a lot of companies make a holster for this and it’s (IMO) suitable for strong side OWB or a shoulder holster.
2:36 The Five-seveN truly is from the future, since you stated earlier that the pistol was first introduced in 1998, it went back in time by four years to demonstrate its abilities. You actually meant 2004, right?
I would have bought one, but the safety is bad. I tested the handling and sometimes my finger slips over it when I'm trying to actuate it. I'm probably getting a Ruger and companion carbine.
I personally think the Five-seveN grip feels less weird than the Ruger, PSA, and Smith 5.7x28 pistols because it's a big chunkier side to side, instead of being really long and skinny it's just a little long. Of course I only bought mine originally because of mag interoperability with my Diamondback DBX, a PDW style weapon I absolutely love, but having fired both it and the Smith I'd take the FN any day.
I bought a usg back in the day, I think it’s always been a black sheep because it feels like it was made by fisher price or Lego. It’s felt janky as hell, trigger was terrible even after having the mag disconnect removed.
One of my sorta fave because of mag capacity, flat trajectory and reach. You could argue it's kinda it's own class of weapon in some ways, but yeah the price and ammo price is ehh.
A friend picked up a FN in the early 2000's. I got to shoot a few rounds through it. It's a very jealous handgun (like the H&K P7). I found it not that good of a shooter, (i.e. trigger) which is worse than a Glock. The round was the thing that interested me, and I'll look forward to your test.
@@johnwolfen4243 depends on what you prefer, but I find the Glocks to be a good mix of force and crisp wall with minimal, but perceptible travel on the second shot. That can be something subjective, but I have seen guns “run away” on others with unintentional 2-3 shots with triggers that have too little travel, not enough force, or an unclean wall. (I had one do that on me once, but that trigger was WAY too little force and movement) I have also seen many guns, usually DA or revolvers but some SA semi, that feel more like a finger banging trainer than a trigger. Glocks are a very, very good middle ground for most people. Yes, possibly not the best for competitions where you shoot 1000 rounds in an hour, multiple days a week, but that isn’t even the situation for police and the military in their routine training.
Based on my own backyard gel testing and use on rabbits and coyotes the 5.7 just isn’t incredibly effective. I’ve used the green tip SS198LF, the SS197 ballistic tip, along with other versions, and none of them are all that impressive, although honestly I’d take the lower velocity ballistics tip or the new lower velocity 40gr hollow point from Speer over FN’s SS198LF load. I think those are more reliably effective than the SS198. At most I would rate it (using the HP’s or ballistic tips) to be slightly more effective, or at least more reliably effective than a 22 magnum HP. I know, 5.7 people hate that comparison, but it’s accurate. I have both of them. Use them both in gel, animals, exc. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t have merits, and I wouldn’t be opposed to using it for SD in the right package or scenario, but I don’t think it’s necessarily better than a 9mm in a 1v1 comparison.
It depends. If stopping power exists, then 9mm is better than 5.7. And .45ACP is better than 9mm for the exact same reasons. If stopping power doesn’t exist, like many people comparing 9mm to .45ACP claim, then 5.7 beats 9mm for the same reason: all pistol rounds suck, and the important thing is all about shot placement and volume of fire.
The FN P90 packs the punch with a longer barrel and 50 rds magazines and full automatic, anyways the civilian 5.7 ammunition you can find in the street is weakened compared with the military round which make it a terrible caliber for self defense. Like the Desert Eagle 5.7 pistols are interesting with only room for collectors or range days. It is a video in youtube of a guy who shot the hole 19 rds magazine to a threat and he shares the bad experience in details.
Call of Duty has probably done more to increase interest in 5.7 x 28 than anything else. The round has never lived up to FN's marketing hype. The major NATO militaries tested it and found that it was way less effective than 9mm out of a pistol and not even in the game as a replacement for 5.56. All the ballistics test show that 5.7 x 28 is slightly more effective than .22 WMR but not enough difference to make a difference. .22 TCM (5.56 Kurtz) is the little round that might have been able to give 9mm a run for its money but since it was tied to the 1911 platform it went nowhere.
I always found this argument funny because people will denigrate the 5.7’s terminal ballistics in comparison to 9mm (implying stopping power exists) and then in the same breath claim 9mm and .45ACP performs the same (implying stopping power doesn’t exist). Can’t have it both ways.
@@gameragodzilla I always find it funny how people always assume that their favorite lesser caliber is just as good as more powerful cartridges but anything less powerful is not good enough. If you think 5.7 x 28 is adequate then you should like .22 WMR even better since it is much cheaper.
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Very useful if you're a man named Sam Fisher in a Tom Clancy Techno Thriller
bring him back!
I bought the gun entirely because of Splinter Cell. lol
The first time I shot mine, I had the biggest smile on my face!
Thanks, Chris. Were it not for the NFA, the FN P90 would have sold like hotcakes and the 5.7 would have been more mainstream. The FN Five-Seven still would have been a bridesmaid. To expensive with no real benefit.
I think you can also blame the Germans for rejecting the P90 as the NATO PDW.
@@TheColdZephyr Germans love to reject stuff that isn't by their book lol
5.7 is hot trash lmao
there is a good reason why soldiers, law enforcement, and security forces tried then abandoned the "pistol sized rifle round" and became more of a fad for armchair tacticool utubers
@@amishdinkledork gotta remember. There is a lot of politics and power interest involved,in these decision. If they'd gone with 5,7 someone would've lost lost money
@@amishdinkledorkThe 5.7 and P90 was designed to be a lightweight system to defeat body armor for rear units(out of fear of russian paratroopers mostly)
The 9mm would obviously be better on soft targets, which is why smgs like MP5 are so popular for police work, less risk of overpenatration and they were already using them
Thats an amazing pistol, almost no recoil and a heck of a pop when you shoot it.
Try the Smith & Wesson when you can. Even less recoil
A midling pistol that even in its prime was only interesting for it's caliber but hampered by its price. Now it's been outpaced and undercut in the niche it created
i seriously dont get why they made it so expensive, im glad there are other options now for the caliber.
Well said 🤔
I still want one for a Splinter Cell build
FN products in general are weirdly expensive for the quality that you get. H&k can justify their prices, but FN really can't.
@@dagwood5041FN stuff has been mostly overpriced.
My favourite part about it is the safety.
It's so convenient, finger's already there.
P90 has a great safety placement too.
The 2 guns also share a ridiculously easy takedown procedure.
The Belgians know their weapons, especially Fabrique Nationale de Herstal.
Can't wait for the ballistics test! Just yesterday, after watching your Rifle vs Pistol ballistics, I started googling around to see if there were any tests showing 5.7 getting up to enough velocity to impact terminal ballistics. Didn't find great resources, so eager to see what you come up with!
I can't remember what channel I saw it on, but 5.7 was compared to 9 mm against Cinder blocks. The 5.7 was not impressive in that test at least.
Velocities under 2000fps are clearly in handgun territory. The thing about 5.7x28 is that it's velocities in handgun barrels generally don't reach the point of causing rifle-style wounds. But it's close, and they do in longer barrels. I don't remmebrr exactly, but I think we need at least 2200 or 2300 fps. That's dependent on bullet design.
What continues to make 5.7 pistol ballistics interesting against unarmored opponents is continued development by small ammunition manufacturers to produce smaller, lighter, usually machined bullets at higher velocity to attempt much greater wounding potential.
It's not hard proof of anything, but you might be interested in a police report of handgun cartridge ballistics testing from the last couple of years that had surprisingly good results with some of the newer, more exotic 5.7 rounds and recommended further testing.
It's hard to tell if 5.7 can possibly achieve rifle-velocity wound effects or not. It might be possible with the best ammunition, but it's pushing the envelope of the cartridge. Really, an even faster pistol cartridge would need to be designed to achieve even higher velocities. No one has yet designed a cartridge with acceptable size and recoil to consistently achieve rifle velocities from a duty-size handgun.
@@Paelorian Velocity and Kinetic Energy are not the same. You can increase Velocity and not gain anything in stopping power over unarmored targets (save for even more penetration that is pointless as it already goes through and through some level 3 armor). Quite a few other channels have tested these rounds. James Reeves, TFB TV, ect..
@@crisnmaryfam7344 Increasing kinetic energy does not necessarily increase wounding. In conventional handgun ballistics, velocity does not matter and energy only indirectly matters. Handgun bullets just poke a hole. Larger calibers and expanding bullets poke larger holes. Velocity is not relevant unless it's to defeat body armor or other obstacles. A slow heavy bullet can also penetrate deeply, sometimes deeper (as it will in water).
This changes with some modern machined bullet designs as pioneered and popularized by Lehigh Defense. While still controversial in some quarters, the claim is that their bullet flutes can cause damage beyond what is directly touched by the bullet at handgun velocities.
But less controversially and more significantly, velocity becomes extremely relevant for wounding performance once it crosses the threshold into rifle velocities. This is why a 55gr .223 bullet has such an effect, even though kinetic energy is not especially high. It causes more damage than a .44 Magnum of similar kinetic energy and much larger caliber. Because at rifle velocity, bullets can do things like violently fragment and/or cause wounds by creating temporary cavities large enough to flex flesh behind it's elasticity and tear it.
An unmet dream of handgun cartridge design is to reach rifle velocities, since that would enable greater wounding effect with less kinetic energy. The 5.7x28mm was not designed to do this, it's speed was intended for greater armor penetrating ability. But people wonder about and experiment with 5.7 because it's so fast.
It is unlikely to be possible with current propellants and pressures to design a handgun round that reaches rifle velocities from a short barrel without great recoil. But people dream, because this would be a way to increase the size of wounds without increasing kinetic energy. Once rifle velocities are achieved, you can make the bullet act in ways handgun bullets generally do not once they arrive at the target.
I used to think like you, that velocity didn't matter in wound ballistics and energy was everything. Energy is something, but now velocity is more important to me in rifle ballistics. But for a reason you might not be thinking about: rifle bullets have velocity thresholds below which they perform as handgun bullets. Once a 5.56mm NATO round loses enough velocity, it might as well be a .22 Long Rifle. It will just poke a .22 caliber hole, an "icepick" wound.
Good ammunition manufacturers specify a minimum velocity for their bullets to work as intended in regard to terminal performance. This is true of military, defense, and hunting ammunition for rifles. Below a certain velocity, bullets will no longer expand or fragment. They'll just travel through and poke holes, like handgun bullets.
So if you need bullets that perform at range for hunting or military use, the velocity of your rifle bullets at range is more important than the energy they carry. While energy and velocity will gradually decrease over a bullets range, at a certain distance velocity will drop below the minimum needed for the bullet to act as designed and the effectiveness of the round will quickly decrease. If you want rifle bullets to behave like rifle bullets, they need rifle velocities. So effective range is often limited by minimum velocity, not minimum kinetic energy. The bullet may still hit with energy, but it will just be poking a small caliber hole. The large wounds possible with rifle ammunition require high velocities.
As for 5.7x28mm, with a long barrel and high velocity ammo true "mini 5.56" effects should be possible despite the low energy of the bullet, although this depends on bullet design. We don't have M855A1 bullets scaled down to 5.7mm. But the point is, a fast enough bullet could "punch above it's weight". So much of the energy of handgun ammunition is lost stretching elastic flesh into a temporary wound cavity. At handgun speeds, it's totally irrelevant and in ballistics gel we only look at the permanent wound cavity. But with a fast enough bullet, we could put that energy into violent fragmentation or other effects that cause more damage to flesh.
I don't think 5.7mm rifle velocities can be achieved in regular 5.7mm handguns. I'm curious the results of people who are trying. Some get close enough to rifle velocities that it's possible the bullets tear more flesh than slower bullets with the same kinetic energy. That means more wounding at the same level of recoil.
For a PDW with a longer barrel I'd rather use 5.56mm since it's small and light recoiling enough anyway. And it has better firearms and ammunition options. The ammo is generally superior to 5.7mm, and there are very small 5.56mm and .300BLK carbines available now: the IWI X95, the Desert Tech MDRx Micron, Sig's short barreled carbines, etc. I'd take a short barreled X95 over a P90 any day, unless hunting small game.
theres plenty of known youtubers who did 5.7 gel tests...
I remember playing Counter Strike 1.5 and liking the Five-seveN, and I was always surprised at how fat the real thing is by comparison.
Being a fan of classic CS games, yeah I'd like to own one just because of the nostalgia.
Damn, kid. You make us feel old
We're talking about the 90's here and you come in wth 14 years later. @@EggplantHarmesan
Way back, im fucking dying 😂😂😂
Just got mine yesterday. Couldn’t be happier. Most exciting purchase for me. I’ve always wanted an FN that wasn’t a rifle and since I live in California this is the only one available for me
I'm getting mine soon even with the 11% tax. It's something Ive always wanted. Congratulations.
I'm REALLY excited to see that 5.7 ballistics video, can't wait! Thanks for all the hard work my man ✌️
IN CALIFORNIA THIS GUN WILL COST $1600 WITH ALL THE TAXES
IF YOU CAN FIND THE AMMO TWO 50 ROUND BOXES WILL COST $120
RANGE TIME WILL COST $21 PLUS TARGETS
GAS IS ALMOST $6 PER GALLON
AND WE STOPED EATING FOOD TO BUY OTHER THINGS.
OK! THX FOR THE INFORMATION!!!
@maestrolodahl8681 your welcome
This is a great channel. I recently had the opportunity to fire guns for the first time (I'm a California native, so no "backyard shooting" for me growing up), and your "how to use" videos on the AR-15 and pistols allowed me confidence going in and to impress the employees at the range with my first-timer knowledge and handling. I've since fallen absolutely in love with guns and your channel is full of well-presented informative videos that answer a lot of questions better than other channels/reading wikipedia. keep up the good work!
P.S. before getting into guns I never realized how awful California is when it comes to gun law. I've always hated it here for other reasons, but that straw broke the camel's back and I'm planning on moving to Montana.
If you aren't non-Hispanic White, I'd stay out of Montana
and other animals.
@@bunk95 why is the degen French Marxist Jean-Paul Sartre your profile picture
@IHavAnAkimbonr what? Why?
Smart move on leaving CA. Lots of good reasons to do that. With where you're looking to go, your money will stretch a lot farther too.
That is a great title. The 90's pistol of the future. The 5.7 cartridge is great, but you are right, the Ruger and S&W seem to be more popular. Maybe because FN stuff is always too expensive? Not sure... The FN 57 looks weird with such a tiny barrel on such a chonky gun. Like if they made a 22lr Hi-point, I still feel like it would look like the FN 57 USG, only worse...
lol the hi-point reference, I was thinking the same thing.
It's so bad...@@kcOO69360
FN stuff is almost ALWAYS too expensive. the only gun from that wasnt expensive was the FNS-9/40. The scar 17 is an ar18 scaled up to 308 and yet it costs 4250 dollars at minimum.
It's because with the addition of Ruger, PSA, and S&W, the poors have been able to get into the 5.7 market, and they have a long-time vengeance with the FN for keeping them out.
Personally, the FN Five-seveN pistol is my favorite of the 5.7's. The S&W and PSA have their advantages but for its intended use-case scenario, which is more of a PDW style bag gun, I prefer the design of the FN. The ergos actually work really well with my hand and I like that style of safety as opposed to a traditional safety that's either too far back or too wide and in the way or too easily switched on/off. And with the low recoil, I can shoot it for long periods without any discomfort, which I cannot say for most polymer 9mm pistols. These guns, despite being light, are not really meant for concealed carry due to the need for a longer barrel. I think most people just don't quite "get" the 5.7, but when you do, you start to really appreciate it. They are a bit pricey though so that's always been a negative factor.
I used to be obsessed with the idea of owning one. I’m tiny so the idea of having 20 shots with minimal recoil was appealing. But the cartridge means the grip is always going to be too long for my hands. I’m stuck using pistols with paddle mag releases since standard button ones are always out of reach.
Same for me. I really love 5.7 and 22 magnum pistols, but they always have the mag release so far out of reach. I wish that heel mag releases would come back. I loved my grandpa's old Ruger Standard with the heel release.
my carry is a p365 macro. 17 rounds with flush fit mags. I love it.
Yeah I've got tiny hands too. I hear people say, "This grip is terrible! What is this, a gun for ants??" and I'm like "it's a gun for me"
I actually own a Taurus PT111 Millennium G2. And yes I know Taurus has earned their fair share of hate but I've put a thousand rounds through it without a single malfunction so I trust it. It was the only thing I could afford at the time and I had a pressing need for home defense. Short story long, it fits my hands perfectly. Would not recommend it for normal-people hands lol.
I usually just get used to shifting my grip slightly to hit the mag release then shift back, though I like shooting Desert Eagles so anything seems small to me. lol
@@DaimyoD0 I wouldn't recommend the PT111 to anyone lol
I enjoy the five seven, just not the cost of ammo.
how expensive sit it?
@@temba92 around $50
@@Ryan_McGee for 20 rounds?
@@temba92 50 rounds.
One thing I like about the Five-seveN is it’s the only service pistol that uses polymer in its slide as well. Always wondered why more pistols don’t do that since it can reduce the weight of the reciprocating mass when firing. People do lightening cuts all the time for race pistols for that reason, but those are never good for duty use since dirt and debris can get inside. But if you covered up those cuts with polymer, it’d still be much lighter while being enclosed from the elements.
The slide is still mostly made of steel, since it still needs to contain exploding gunpowder, but it’s nice that polymer is used there too. Though that might also be why the pistol is so expensive for a polymer gun, since I know the cheaper competitors don’t do that and just have lightening cuts instead for many of them (or just an all steel slide and be slightly heavier).
Race guns are tuned to run the lightest ammo possible while still acheiving the needed Power Factor. Not an ideal goal for a duty gun.
@@TH-camHandlesAreMoronic Doesn’t mean the principle of reducing the recoiling mass to reduce felt recoil while also reducing weight isn’t a good thing.
@@gameragodzilla Essentially, "Yes it does." The "recoiling mass" can be lowered because low-power rounds are being employed. If one plans on using self-defense power ammo, a unusually light slide would not be desireable. There's no free lunch in physics.
@@TH-camHandlesAreMoronic Why not use low power rounds if they can still achieve sufficient penetration and stopping power is a myth?
Because stopping power is not a myth. More power equals better stopping. This is not hard.
I took this concealed carry class where the guy ended up being a scammer. He misrepresented his credentials and took everyone’s money. Then later we found out when dropping our paperwork off to get our CCW licenses, the state employee knew of him and explicitly told us that his course doesn’t count and that he’s basically not certified and a scammer. During the entire class with him, it was just one big commercial for USCCA (which I vehemently believe is the biggest scam in the gun world). But when he wasn’t shilling for an insurance company, he spent the rest of the time preaching the virtues of his five seven, which was his carry pistol of choice. Now whenever I see a 5.7, I throw up in my mouth a little because it’s tainted by the foul smell of a morbidly obese scammer and USCCA shill.
Been looking forward to the 5.7 performance video for a hot minute!
From a technical perspective, this pistol (and the Ruger 57) is pre-cocked double action.
Much like a striker fired pistol, the hammer is cocked most of the way, and pulling it fully pulls the trigger and releases it with the sear. This is why the trigger is much worse than a true single action like a 1911, or a Hi Power (without the mag disconnect safety).
The trigger still performs 2 actions, its just organized in a way that has a manual of arms more similar to that of a single action pistol but with better drop safety.
I hope Lucky Gunner includes the best high-end defensive ammo in it's 5.7mm ammo comparison! There's been a lot of development and innovation in 5.7x28mm ammo and I believe the newer machined bullet designs represent the cutting edge of what the cartridge is capable of out of handguns. But I've seen limited testing of rounds that, while appearing promising, are often expensive, produced on a small scale, and considered "boutique". But I want to see cartridges at their peak performance. If I buy a gun to defend myself, I seek to load it with the most effective ammo when I'm off the range.
Thanks for the good, fair review of this modern landmark pistol on it's own terms. I will enjoy the comparions to come with newer, more modern designs. I appreciate the improvements of newer pistols, and I also appreciate that the groundbreaking FN Five-seveN paved the way for descendents and competitors using the same or similar cartridge, concepts, and ideas. In some ways the Five-seveN is dated, but in some ways it remains absolutely state of the art. Capacity, light weight, polymer-encased slide, some aspects of the design.
I owned a PSA Rock for awhile and its a fine weapon. I dig the idea of the low recoil, high capacity, high efficacy package, but I found its just plain not fun to shoot, and its not super concealable. At least with my experience the casings get launched out with such authority that in an indoor range I got hit with as much brass as the target got lead. Obviously this is only an issue for that environment, and if I used an outside range maybe I'd have kept it. However it would have had to have been a range toy as I don't have the mass to make a full size pistol like the Rock work as a CCW with printing more than the Washington Post. Plus with the cost of 5.7....oof.
seecamp or naa guardian for ccw (they are 32 acp pocket /palm size guns, tho the guardian has extendos), some 5.7 pistol for home and maybe car.
I only found one holster that works for my PSA. It's not as concealable as my psa in 9mm. But the weight and the slimness helps conceal it
I will never understand 5.7 fanboys. It’s made to penetrate armor well, but chances are your attacker won’t be armored. Why carry a spicy .22 magnum instead of 9mm? Capacity is great but still
less recoil and more capacity than 9mm, more reliability than 22mag. if 22mag had centerfire reliability the m&p 22mag or keltec pmr30 would be a good option, less power than 5.7 but ever more capacity. but unfortunately rimfire isnt really reliable.
@@thatoldyankeesguy I said “Spicy” .22 magnum, I acknowledged the slight power difference. But honestly the jump from 17 rounds to 20 rounds isn’t all that appealing. I’d love a p90 but 5.7 handguns seem silly. You gotta give low caliber high velocity rounds a little more barrel to get peak performance. I acknowledge that extremely low recoil is great for fast follow up shots, but I’d rather poke three effective holes than poke 5-8 smaller holes that are more dependent on placement.
My favorite feature of this handgun though, is it's ability to shoot through five enemies at once if they line up for you.
Manny reacts to this pistol like Dracula to a cross.
True
The caliber is an expensive answer to a question no one was really asking, and the pistols all look like something that Kel-Tec decided not to make.
The question was "what do we do if kevlar-clad Russians start parachuting to our backlines". The answer was either this, or the expensive 9mm sabot rounds.
5.7 is way to expensive to train regularly with for the average consumer. Bring those prices in line with 9mm, and I'm sure it will get more attention. Cost matters. Especially these days. Geez.
They're getting better. You can find range ammo for 50¢-75¢ per round. Not cheap, but better than it was. Getting more popular helps.
For the normal citizen, in a normal self-defense situation, a 9mm is perfectly adequate.
You can train with it just fine and cost effectively.
If you need long distance and high-capacity for a carry gun, you are doing self-defense wrong.
@@sideshowbilly3755 Is a 5.7x28mm effective enough for self-defense?
I am a BIG fan of the PSA Rock 5.7. I have not shot the FN57 but watching your video review, it sounds quite a bit inferior to the PSA especially for the price. Although the original AP ammo is not legal for FFL's to sell, there are some ways to get small quantities of it legally and it has amazing armor penetration abilities (my own testing showed that it could go through SIX layers of level IIIA armor, although it is stopped by all hard body armor). Also, the SS198LF round (copper jacket, aluminum core) is legal for sale in the US (even though FN calls it "LE restricted") and it will go through one layer of level IIIA body armor.
I held all the 5.7 pistols out right now and the only one i liked holding has been the 5.7 rock, im gonna be buying a second
I wish I could buy one, they are nice. I've played around with the gen 2 and it was nice. I plan on getting the S&W 5.7 soon. I think people complaining about ammo prices for it fail to understand that it used to be only FN making ammo, which was abouf $50 for 50 rounds. Now with several brands it's about $35-$40 for 50. The only reason why 9mm and 5.56 are super cheap is due to ammo manufactuers mainly producing those calibers (I'm looking at you 410 with your lack of avalibility). Eventually it will drop in price, but I'm glad it's getting some love
People complain about the price, even though it is cheaper than many others. 10mm, is similarly priced, where .357 and .44 are typically twice as expensive, but nobody gets discouraged from those calibers.
I've had a five seven USG since around the time they came out. Was never impressed with the ballistic performance of available ammo, and the thing is nearly the size of a desert eagle to conceal.
Recently I picked up the S&W 5.7. It's the width of a single stack 9mm, it's almost as light, and it holds more ammo. With the availability of better ammo on the market today, I have it currently as my daily carry.
Worked for Battlestar Galactica. Their pistols were all 5-7s with this goofy 50 cal explosive rocket thingy on the rail... and their Rifles were all Berretta Storm.
The Five Seven is my daily concealed carry. It was always a dream gun of mine and I ended up finding a Cali model for cheap and got some 20rnd mags for it. It's cemented itself as my favorite CCW. Part due to the ballistics, and partly due to the low weight and high round capacity. I used to carry a smaller Sig, with 8rnds of 9mm. This gun, with 20rnds, feels lighter and is just overall much better to operate. For the size, I barely feel it on my hip. And that was the one thing I was looking for, is more fire power and not feeling like my waist band was sagging due to weight. Having 20 rounds, plus sometimes taking an extra mag, it's easy to conceal and I feel much safer having a high round capability should I need it. You can def get an older, used one for cheaper. And honestly I don't think I'd switch my concealed carry anytime soon
Twenty-Five YEARS?! Egad! I remember trying to convince the power that were that we 'needed' these for our fledgling SWAT team (and being soundly and summarily shot down just as most of my "reasonable" requests were, LOL). Yeesh! That would make me .... fifty-nevermind. Ha!
You said it right, to me it feels like a toy because it's weirdly light for it's size. I've always liked the quirky thing, but never owned one. Now, though, I gotta give the nod to its more innovative American counterparts. And NOW, with the fires relit, I'm off to GunBroker ... sigh ... I guess that new counter-top is gonna have to wait ... again. ;)
Price is absolutely ridiculous on these. I paid $250 for a Tokarev tt-33 chambered in 7.62x 25, capable of going through a level 3 vest. Tokarev is cheap, reliable and has the stopping power.
I really enjoy the 5.7. I've long wanted something like that cartridge. I really look forward to the ballistic results. Either way, I carry my psa on and off 🎉 depending on the drive
Plenty of that out and about by now. Plenty of other channels have real world tested it against a number of things including rated body armor. Facts are its better than 9 and .45, and you can hold so many more shots. The only thing it really lacks is "stopping power" thanks to its insane penetration capability, but it will cut through armor and body panels like hot butter.
Notice how the FN 57's price is dropping? SW, Palmetto, and Ruger's price is way lower and is forcing FN to become more competitive in pricing. Competition is a good thing to consumers.
I recently purchased this same gun. After 2 trips to the range I have decided I am not a fan of the gun. Love the 5.7 just not the way it feels in my hand. Think I am going to sell it. I also recently purchased the Ruger LC but have not had the opportunity to get to the range with it yet. Hoping to like this one more. I think the 5.7 is better out of a carbine also.
Try the psa rock if you ever get the opportunity, the fn five seven is pretty whack unless you send it for a trigger revamp.
Ah i love the FN5.7 but it has one really really big flaw, and its why i would never use it as a self defense or even home defense gun.
You see, no matter what model you have, when ever you fire the last round in the magazine, and the slide locks, there is this critical failure that always happens. Its the realization that it would have been cheaper to just let an assailant rob you then fire a full magazine of 5.7.
Ammo price discouraged me before anything else. When the AR upper came out with cartridges being ejected through the magazine well, I was really interested because I’m a lefty and that feature is very lefty friendly. Just wasn’t looking to being forced into buying ammo that expensive even when other ammo was cheap.
I'm a little shocked they never released these in .22LR or .22 Magnum. It wouldn't shoot 5.7, and would lose all its uniqueness and utility, but you wouldn't pay a buck a shot, either. And people would probably still buy it, especially after Battlestar Galactica used them.
NGL I love the concept of the 5 7 pistol and SMG I feel its so much more reliable than some of the other pistols I seen before
I'm chomping at the bit for the full 5.7x28mm caliber breakdown, so many other channels have taken cracks at it but they don't have the same attention to detail.
Happy Birthday, Marines!
Really happy to see this pistol come up. Would love to see the P90 as well. I used to use that gun a lot. And by use I mean carry around.
John from ASP brought me here. Rad channel, just subbed.
Such a cool and interesting firearm. I love using it in Pavlov VR and Ready Or Not
As a germa, who could never ever carry even a .22 im a bit jelous.
My poor keltecs always get the shaft.....they work man, they work. Hahaha
Kel-Tecs are interesting. When they work, they work beautifully but when they don't work, they'll never work and there's no way to know which one you'll get. Kel-Tec: great design company, not always so great at turning those designs into reality.
@@bwofficial1776 understood. I own a PMR30, CMR30, and RDB defender as mentioned. No issues whatsoever. The PMR surprises me to this day since I've done no upgrades to it and still, not a single jam. The only jam on the RDB was self induced when adjusting the gas system; which youre kinda supposed to do. So whats your experience?
i saw a post on reddit that guy emptied a magazine in the robber that wanted his wallet at the end he realized that he spent more on ammo than if he just handed over the wallet
The UCG Version is just iconic to me because of the style and it's one the most favorite guns in my time
Methinks its outsider status has a lot to do with it still selling for $1200 and the newer options chambered in 5.7 are all $700 or less.
LOL. The Battlestar Galactica gun.
That pic with the perfectly lined up ammo is just lovely, how'd you know 5 7 fans have ocd lol.
My gun dealer was trying to steer me away from the Five SeveN and trying to get me to buy a Smith & Wesson 57. You’re right the Five SeveN is a blocky feel to it, feels like an airsoft toy. But I was amazed at the extremely lightweight.
The Smith & Wesson looks like a better quality gun with an added feature such as threaded barrel, but unfortunately, I’ve heard some negative reviews about it. A lot of jamming issues and quality control issues.
I have seen videos of reviews comparing 357 different model guns given the Smith & Wesson the thumbs up. You certainly get more gun for your money at $650. But what good is that if there are quality control issues with Smith & Wesson?
I figure that a Belgium made European gun would be a better quality, even though it is lighter. I will say that law enforcement really hate it when civilians owned a 57 firearm. They know full well that their 3A bulletproof vest are useless against a weapon like this.
I want an H&K USP57. Or maybe an H&K USP46, if the 4.6mm cartridge were actually available.
HK did design a "USP 4.6" called the "UCP" but they gave up on it because it didn't perform well enough for them in that form factor supposedly. And HK making a 5.7 is very unlikely anytime soon because they had a major rivalry and lawsuit with FN over it back in the day.
@@Bristecom I'm familiar with the UCP but that was really a very different pistol from the USP. Everything I've seen of it suggests that it was always DAO with no exposed hammer, and the modular trigger group of the USP is one of my favorite things about it.
Looks like I found yet another good gun channel
Ammo cost and bulk avalability being non existant is what got it off my list
The CMMG Dissent in 5.7, is a dream gun.
I'm curious if the better triggers on the Ruger and the S&W improve accuracy
Anecdotal, but I'll tell you I was all prepared to hate the Ruger... First time I set up an optic for a customer, went to test fire it at our "range," and found to my astonishment that I'd kept 10 rounds in about a quarter sized group from 10 yards, offhand and unsupported, without really trying. The thing is stupid accurate for me. Your mileage may vary.
Interesting - Thanks !
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I HAVE THE NEW FN 5.7 28MM AND I LOVE IT. IS SO LIGHT THATBLOOK LIKE A TOY.
I wonder if something is up with my Five seveN IOM (got it used). Everyone says the triggers are not good. Now, it's no 1911 trigger, so I suppose compared to most SAO triggers it isn't the best, but I think it beats the pants off of most striker fired triggers. It's at least comparable to the SA mode of most duty oriented handguns (say, an HK USP), which again I'd say beats most striker fired triggers.
There are two types of people- those who have the FN and love it, and those who dont have the FN and hate it. There are very few who operate outside those bounds.
I grew up during the Five Seven's intro into video games, and then its rise into that oddball prime time Holy Grail pistol we know today. Even the times I rented it years ago, I'm still surprised at how advanced it is -- even to this very day.
I love my FN FsN, but I really wish it had the trigger of the Ruger 57. The Five Seven Mk2 is literally the second gun I ever bought, entirely because of how much I used it in counter strike as a kid lol. It also got me into reloading because that was the only real way to shoot it without completely breaking the bank.
i just have to point out that the 2nd and 4th bullet when into the same hole at 6:45 pretty impressive
I always wanted an FN Five Seven, until I bought one (Mark II). The gun just feels too big and plasticy to me - like a child’s toy gun (I typed that before the part where you called it “toy-like” so I’m clearly not alone in that opinion:). I recently sold it, but I do like the cartridge so I do plan on buying the Smith & Wesson 5.7 as soon as my suppressor ticket clears. I like that the S&W comes with a threaded barrel.
Cost: the point that always scuppers discussion. It all depends on why one is buying a weapon. Do you want a high-end weapon from one of the MOST prestigious manufacturers in the world, or settle for a weapon made by some less reputable manufacturer, just because it is in the US (one of the main reasons touted)?
Ammunition: I was recently in Florida, US, and visited a big gun store. I posed this sticky question of cost and availability, so he took me into the vault and asked if I'd like to buy a pallet load, or a box of 20! He also gave me a price, which was admittedly higher than 9mm, but not prohibitively so, and all their ammo was FN brand ammo!
Size: I have quite small hands and handling the Five seveN was a little strange at first (I'm more used to the Browning Hi Power, which I've used for decades), but I soon got used to the heft and I liked the light weight.
One other advantage to mention is the commonality of the ammo with the PS90 (or the PS90 SBR).
Always complaining about ammo cost yet the last order of ammo I got in 5.7 the cost per round was cheaper than 556 and 45 acp! Yes it's more expensive than say 9mm or 40 but not like it used to be. Not unless you get into the premium self defense ammo. Speaking g of, you really do need to get some of the high end ammo to really take full advantage of the rounds capability, most off the shelf stuff is pretty anemic. The biggest benefit for me is the weight and size of the ammo, those little 50 round boxes are half the size of a box of 9mm and about 1/3rd the weight. Looking to throw a couple hundred rounds into a backpack to carry around with you long distance? Look no further than 5.7 for that.
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I already got burned by obscure ammo when I bought a gun that uses 327 Federal. 5.7x28 is easier to find but still terribly expensive. I also spoke to a former military guy who shot it a lot and said it over penetrates at short distances and under penetrates at distance. He recommended to avoid it so I have.
so many better options for a 5.7 pistol exist now.
I love mine and the capacity. It is noticeably louder even wearing muffs.
I disagree with its feel. The feel in my hand is perfect along with the safety switch location. I’m looking for a good magnetic light/laser but haven’t looked too hard since I love my current holster.
this pistol has been one of my dreams to own since i was a teenager
seriously considering getting the necessary permits in my country
Maybe if FN didn't overprice the shit out of their mid-ass guns, their stuff would be more popular.
Twice the price of competition AND with less features? Wow what a steal 😂
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Great sales pitch for the PSA Rock that costs less and has a better trigger
I’m old enough to remember my dad and uncle’s having discussions about guns in the 80s and 90s. I remember them shit talking Glocks when they first hit our shores. I remember them talking shit about ARs and 5.56. I have one uncle who still to this day would still take his M14 from Vietnam any day over any M16. Maybe we’re in a similar shift today. Departments have to think about a lot more than just individual stopping power of a round. If you have a round that can be used in a sidearm and a rifle (aids in logistics), it’s lighter than anything you had previously (allowing you to carry more without fatigue), and can be carried with more rounds in your weapon without sacrificing weight or size. But, still inflict a reasonable casualty rate? If so, then that’s a win. When we switched from 45s, 308s, and 30.06s to 9mm and 5.56 it was met with the same resistance for 50 years.
I love my Five-seveN! Problem for me was holstering the SOB. Not a lot of companies make a holster for this and it’s (IMO) suitable for strong side OWB or a shoulder holster.
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The Five-seveN truly is from the future, since you stated earlier that the pistol was first introduced in 1998, it went back in time by four years to demonstrate its abilities.
You actually meant 2004, right?
Yeah, my bad
I’m very interested in this caliber, I hope that more weapons coming out for it will bring the price down and remove that “exclusivity” factor
I love the safety mechanism on this one
I would have bought one, but the safety is bad. I tested the handling and sometimes my finger slips over it when I'm trying to actuate it. I'm probably getting a Ruger and companion carbine.
I personally think the Five-seveN grip feels less weird than the Ruger, PSA, and Smith 5.7x28 pistols because it's a big chunkier side to side, instead of being really long and skinny it's just a little long. Of course I only bought mine originally because of mag interoperability with my Diamondback DBX, a PDW style weapon I absolutely love, but having fired both it and the Smith I'd take the FN any day.
As far as ammo cost is concerned it isnt a problem anymore, hell you can get factory ammo from FN for cheaper than repacked 5.56 right now.
I bought a usg back in the day, I think it’s always been a black sheep because it feels like it was made by fisher price or Lego. It’s felt janky as hell, trigger was terrible even after having the mag disconnect removed.
One of my sorta fave because of mag capacity, flat trajectory and reach. You could argue it's kinda it's own class of weapon in some ways, but yeah the price and ammo price is ehh.
A friend picked up a FN in the early 2000's. I got to shoot a few rounds through it. It's a very jealous handgun (like the H&K P7). I found it not that good of a shooter, (i.e. trigger) which is worse than a Glock. The round was the thing that interested me, and I'll look forward to your test.
Honestly, not sure why everyone hates Glock triggers.
They have a nice clean break and decently small reset with significant over travel.
@@FilmFlam-8008 The first handgun I ever shot was a 1911 that was custom built. I was spoiled from the start.
@@johnwolfen4243 depends on what you prefer, but I find the Glocks to be a good mix of force and crisp wall with minimal, but perceptible travel on the second shot.
That can be something subjective, but I have seen guns “run away” on others with unintentional 2-3 shots with triggers that have too little travel, not enough force, or an unclean wall. (I had one do that on me once, but that trigger was WAY too little force and movement)
I have also seen many guns, usually DA or revolvers but some SA semi, that feel more like a finger banging trainer than a trigger.
Glocks are a very, very good middle ground for most people.
Yes, possibly not the best for competitions where you shoot 1000 rounds in an hour, multiple days a week, but that isn’t even the situation for police and the military in their routine training.
Very interesting. Thanks
Purely anecdotal, the people that I know carrying that pistol despise it to the point they almost regret their decaying GP35
Cool gun but it’s very easy to see why it didn’t catch on.
Based on my own backyard gel testing and use on rabbits and coyotes the 5.7 just isn’t incredibly effective. I’ve used the green tip SS198LF, the SS197 ballistic tip, along with other versions, and none of them are all that impressive, although honestly I’d take the lower velocity ballistics tip or the new lower velocity 40gr hollow point from Speer over FN’s SS198LF load. I think those are more reliably effective than the SS198.
At most I would rate it (using the HP’s or ballistic tips) to be slightly more effective, or at least more reliably effective than a 22 magnum HP. I know, 5.7 people hate that comparison, but it’s accurate. I have both of them. Use them both in gel, animals, exc.
That doesn’t mean it doesn’t have merits, and I wouldn’t be opposed to using it for SD in the right package or scenario, but I don’t think it’s necessarily better than a 9mm in a 1v1 comparison.
It depends.
If stopping power exists, then 9mm is better than 5.7. And .45ACP is better than 9mm for the exact same reasons.
If stopping power doesn’t exist, like many people comparing 9mm to .45ACP claim, then 5.7 beats 9mm for the same reason: all pistol rounds suck, and the important thing is all about shot placement and volume of fire.
@@gameragodzilla For sure, that is definitely it’s best argument, and thats what I was alluding to in the last paragraph.
Can we go back to the silly trigger guard.
I love it.
I like the 5.7 and got the Ruger 57.
But like everybody says, the price.
Even Federal is selling it in the $40 range in my area.
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The FN P90 packs the punch with a longer barrel and 50 rds magazines and full automatic, anyways the civilian 5.7 ammunition you can find in the street is weakened compared with the military round which make it a terrible caliber for self defense. Like the Desert Eagle 5.7 pistols are interesting with only room for collectors or range days. It is a video in youtube of a guy who shot the hole 19 rds magazine to a threat and he shares the bad experience in details.
Funny, I have a 5.7 blank round on my desk for reference a friend gave me in Prague.
I love this pistol. I want to buy one, but the price has always put me off on pulling the trigger. Probably one of my favorite pistols.
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I brought this gun 3 years ago,i probably used it once or twice and now it just spends its time in the safe
Call of Duty has probably done more to increase interest in 5.7 x 28 than anything else. The round has never lived up to FN's marketing hype. The major NATO militaries tested it and found that it was way less effective than 9mm out of a pistol and not even in the game as a replacement for 5.56. All the ballistics test show that 5.7 x 28 is slightly more effective than .22 WMR but not enough difference to make a difference. .22 TCM (5.56 Kurtz) is the little round that might have been able to give 9mm a run for its money but since it was tied to the 1911 platform it went nowhere.
I always found this argument funny because people will denigrate the 5.7’s terminal ballistics in comparison to 9mm (implying stopping power exists) and then in the same breath claim 9mm and .45ACP performs the same (implying stopping power doesn’t exist).
Can’t have it both ways.
@@gameragodzilla I always find it funny how people always assume that their favorite lesser caliber is just as good as more powerful cartridges but anything less powerful is not good enough. If you think 5.7 x 28 is adequate then you should like .22 WMR even better since it is much cheaper.
@@johnshepherd9676 So do you shoot and carry .45ACP, then?
@@gameragodzillaI carry 9mm just like most everyone else.
So Sparky why don't you just save your money and shoot .22 WMR or even cheaper, .22 LR?
@@johnshepherd9676 Why are you carrying the lesser caliber?
Thanks for this!