When We Die and The Meaning of Life (Ep 6) - Analytic Idealism Course - Bernardo Kastrup
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- Bernardo Kastrup course on Analytic Idealism, a new philosophical view.
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1. What You Think About The World is Wrong - • What You Think About T...
2: Perception vs Reality - • Perception vs Reality ...
3: Why Materialism is Baloney - • Why Materialism is Bal...
4: Analytic Idealism Explained - • Analytic Idealism Expl...
5: Universal Consciousness - • Universal Consciousnes...
6: When We Die and The Meaning of Life - • When We Die and The Me...
7: Implications of Analytic Idealism on Everyday Life - • Implications of Analyt...
8: Alternative Philosophical Views - • Alternative Philosophi...
9: AI and Producing Consciousness - • AI and Producing Consc...
10: Analytic Idealism on Free Will - • Analytic Idealism on F...
11: Summary and Closing - • Summary and Closing (E...
Like Ram Dass said, death is going to be like taking off a shoe that's on too tight.
Wasn't expecting the human sacrifice - that aside, enchantment is returning to the world as we listen to Bernardo.
Im not afraid of dying, i just don’t want to be there when it happens
you either will experience it or know nothing at all. Lol one or the other. But i'm guessing is the one you fear the most is the one you will have.
Birth and death and living is an activity of the mind in consciousness.
If one try to map Analytic Idealism onto western religious tradition I have the notion that Gnosticism fits better than traditional Apostolic Christianity.
That's interesting, can you elaborate? Is it to do with the early christian idea each individual contains god, or universal consciousness? Is that what you mean?
@@gavaniacono "Gnostic cosmogony generally presents a distinction between a supreme, hidden God and a malevolent lesser divinity (sometimes associated with Yahweh of the Old Testament) who is responsible for creating the material universe."
Haven't thought it through, but the Gnostic hidden god would be MAL, and the images of God as presented by religion are human mental representations.
He actually discovered Advaita Vedanta through pure reasoning. Though a westerner he arrived on the truth discovered in the East. Just look up “Ramesh Balsekar and The Cosmic Law.” It is the “Perennial philosophy.”
Hari om ❤
This a a modern sage. 100 years from now people will truly appreciate him.
I hope it happens in 10 years.
Absolutely. I believe Jesus was fully conscious.
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Mark 13:32
King James Bible
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father
Thanks Bernardo. Your words are very reassuring and full of wisdom.
Thanks Bernardo! Your work is very important!!
Death is never experienced in the first person, the same as birth, because when death comes one is already gone, that is our consciousness is delocalized, what we can experience is pain. Death or delocalization of finite consciousness is experienced in second person.Infinite consciousness is not aware of itself, therefore when our finite consciousness is delocalized we will not be aware of it either, the same thing that happened before what we call being born.
This Analytic Course is absolutely great!! Is this 11 Episode Course available on A DVD or audio series? This is so valuable and essential to all human beings. Thank you for sharing this information. ❤️🙏🙏
The meaning of life lies within our “choices”, and the “Universal consciousness” knows everything on land and in the sea. Not a leaf falls without His knowledge. Nor is there a atom in the depths of the soil, nor is there anything wet or dry, that is not recorded in a profound record.
It's a Big Idea, but it does seem like it's not far off when I think about Dr. Kastrup's work. ,
The Soul lives on after the body dies because the Soul is not material. Often the 'dead' do come back to tell us! There is no death, only change.
Why do you think that returning to the source, God, is bad news? I can't wait to reunite with IT thus attain heart's true desire. How can it be bad for a water droplet in a wave or ripple to return to calm, peaceful, blissful water? This is when soul joins the source and therefore expands (likely) infinitely!
Even unspeakable suffering is 1/10 pain to me, even unit 731 becomes 1/10 pain of something else. If i learned one thing: it can be always worse trust me!!!
Analytic Idealism is certainly more plausible than materialistic scientific explanations, but the dissolving of our alter after death into universal conciousness does not harmonize with the law of karma, according to which after death we wander on dependant on our moral conduct. And also the Buddha claimed, that past time is without beginning, consisting of constant expansion and contraction of the universe. He also said, that thinking too much about these questions, which ultimately cannot be answered by us, is futile, because in the meantime we die without having taken care of our mental purification, which is the only means of overcoming the suffering in the world.
But who said Buddha is right? There is no proof of "karma"
What is the purpose of all insights and experiences being released into mind at large if it isn’t meta cognitive?
That’s a very good question. I actually buy into idealism although I have some big questions about it. I can add this one to them.
Also, if death is the erasure of the psychic boundary within Mind at Large that you identified yourself with, and now you are not that small localized fragment with all your insights anymore but, yes what do you become? One with all contents of Mind that is not incapsulated by the psychic boundary that we call life? How broad do you actually become? Are you immediately the whole of Mind? Or could there be psychic boundaries within psychic boundaries? Are the contents of only the dead accessible to you , or also that of currently dissociated parts of Mind? That would mean I’m could be being watched all the time, but maybe not because Mind at Large is not meta-conscious.. Even if Mind at Large would be meta-conscious, it/you would seem to be as attached or detached from your accumulated insights and contents as Hitlers ones to name someone.
Meaning is a tricky thing though, it requires object and subject. It requires distinction, something that refers and something that is being referred to. If truth is one, it just is, it doesn’t point to anything. It has nothing outside it to point to. Maybe that’s totally fine, but the word meaning doesn’t apply anymore. It only applies in an (illusion of) dualities type of reality.
Maybe all of these questions can be answered, maybe some questions turn out wrong questions, but it’s interesting to explore further.
Thanks for bringing up your critical question!
Thank you for your response! I buy into idealism as well.
Coming all the way from Islam, skepticism becomes second nature in how I approach these discussions. The premise of what Kastrup is proposing is very appealing to me rationally. However, once you really get into it, it can feel like a hallucinogenic trip mindset haha, so many rabbit holes.
BK says that consciousness is instinctive, and although not metacognitive, it knows itself naturally, by being itself… instinctively!
I think he might say that consciousness/nature in a manner of speaking evolves instinctively through “feelings”!
I guess you could say it’s our feelings that are released into consciousness.
Dr. Kastrup’s theory could have profound impacts on humanity if it becomes the dominant worldview. Theism was the dominant worldview for most of humanity’s metacognitive existence and its successor-materialism- is beginning to lose sway among the intellectual elite. In this video, Dr. Kastrup goes beyond what he can support scientifically to express his personal opinion that humans’ metacognition benefits God/the mind of nature and as a result our lives are meaningful and worth the suffering that we endure as a result of our disassociation with the mind of nature, which is the ultimate source of reality. Like all other beliefs about ultimate reality, Dr. Kastrup’s belief requires a leap of faith. And I think a lot of people will not find much sufficient meaning in the belief that our lives that are inherently filled with suffering are worthwhile because they benefit an ultimate source of reality that is not metacognitive. His theory also does not seem to be comprehensive in that it doesn’t address the source of the mind of nature, which perhaps science will never be able to address. Practically, his theory does seem to narrow the differences between those who believe in an ultimate source of reality that is impersonal and those that do. Dr. Kastrup bases his belief that ultimate reality is impersonal based on his inability to justify suffering in the world. That’s the most profound issue that humanity has been grappling with for all of recorded history and Dr. Kastrup’s scientific theory or even personal beliefs don’t seem to bring us any closer to a fully satisfactory answer to the question of suffering.
Wow🙏🙏🙏🧠💥👁🌌
Life cannot die just like death cannot live.
man😮you smart 👍
is it possible to intentionally access this collective intelligence, or is it only through unconscious processes do we interact with it?
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There is need to speed up process "only scoundrels live above 40" Dostoesvky. Multiplication of will creates more suffering, there should be less ppl, like nice 3M or something living in smaller cities... Nietzsche said: "one should create and perish as soon as possible" Wisdom of Silenius
What about prolonging life through medicine. What would be the position on that. Should nature decide?
does death have ads!
"Engineered by the evolution", "Nature decides"?? Isn't this self contradictory? So the 'mind at large" as you say has no intelligence, no will, no intentions, zero personality? But 'evolution' or 'nature' (whatever that may be) is an engineer?? So the mind at large divided itself into alters (us) by what process? If not by will or without having any personal attributes, then how? How can you claim with certainty that mind at large cannot have meta-cognition?
great question! Emergentism is within idealism because if "cosmic consciousness" has no intentionality, will, none of that. so she created something new when she created our minds because we have all that
@@fabiano600 Thanks. Interesting approach. But I think this puts a huge limit on what mind at large can do. As alters, do we have more power, capability than the source where we all came from (and where we will return)? Per ontological argument of Anshelm, the God must not only exist (as a concept) in an abstract domain, but it must be ACTUAL AND REAL in every sense of these words. The God I believe is the greatest conceivable being and omnipotent, whereas the alters are not!
What should we make of the consistent accounts of NDEs involving cessation of brain activity and "astral plane" experiences?
There seems to be at least two levels of "consistency" here, and both tell us something.
One is the consistency of the accounts of NDE's themselves -- how much they're alike or how different they are.
The other is the percentage of people "dying" who report an NDE.
According to a fairly quick google seach on this, only about 4% of folks who "die" (and come back) report any NDE at all. That's not very consistent.
Of that 4% reporting NDE's, about 25% report the "standard" experiences of OBE, experiencing a tunnel, seeing bright lights, and a feeling of peace.
25% is not a super-low number, so qualifies for at least some level of consistency. But that means 75% are NOT fitting into that "consistent" narrative.
So, I dunno. For me to regard NDE's as a potential window into some reality beyond the "every day" reality that we live in, I''d like both of those numbers to be significantly higher than they are.
Say, 60%-70% of died-and-came-back folks reporting NDE's, and at least 50%-60% of them reporting the "standard" experiences.
As much as I want to believe they tell us something significant about an afterlife, those numbers just aren't high enough to rise above the noise of imagination.
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One explanation could be that the afterlife is "fluid", basically you take your belief with you
@@dougsmith6793 So, how about psychedelics, the numbers are much higher there. Most people who take them actually have experiences and many people describe them as more real than "normal" experiences. There are similarities in the experiences across cultures and across time. Does that indicate there is something real there, a plane of consciousness that is actually there whether we visit it or not?
@@Your_Dad-f5z In that case the number of experiences should be higher, no? Religious people still outnumber atheists.
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[LIEV]: "So, how about psychedelics, the numbers are much higher there. Most people who take them actually have experiences and many people describe them as more real than "normal" experiences. There are similarities in the experiences across cultures and across time. Does that indicate there is something real there, a plane of consciousness that is actually there whether we visit it or not?"
My best experiences there definitely put me in a place where spiritual experiences should be. The experience is definitely "real" in intensity and depth and profundity But I'm not convinced that those experiences are "real" in the sense that they are glimpses into some actual reality outside of scrambled physiological signals.
But I sure wish they were, especially xtc. A feeling of the most profound sense of connectedness -- "now I get it!" All my experiences have been from inside a body -- I've never had an OBE on psychedelics. To cross that threshold, I'd need an OBE that could be objectively substantiated -- not so much where folks could actually see some apparition outside the body, but where the OBE could actually see something that would not have been possible to see from inside the body.
These types of experiments have been conducted in operating rooms. A simple image or word was place in a location in operating rooms that would be hidden to anyone on the operating table, but visible to people experiencing OBE's where they float above the operating table and look down at themselves being operated on.
None of these experiments has returned a positive result. Darn it. No one wants that stuff to be true more than I do. But wanting it to be true is not sufficient reason to believe that it actually is true.
Maybe the dream avatar could be said as the witness of the dream?
How can a dream person be conscious 😂😂 are you insane
I don't think that you need to die in order for the contents of your experience to be released. They're already out there.
That's why things like remote viewing and telepathy have been shown to work.
I am neither born nor do I die.
Dose the dream avatar dream?
no, the. single fear is rejection
What is Bernardo’s definition of ‘meaning’ Is it understanding & making sense of the word or something else? Something deeper Probably another word description would be better say Conscious Purpose.
The bang is the proton condense SEED - the inflation , the BUD - the expansion , the FLOWER - the fine tune, the fruit hidden seed fractal - the LEAF , the photosyntheses of divine consciousness - THAT MOST WITH LEAST - “THOUGHT” becomes self reflection! Our own gem crystallizing or philosopher’s stone- or Pearl of great price: IDEAL - ABSOLUTE GOODNESS . How photon and massless is this ETERNAL STUFF ? NADIE SABE!
Ever studied the memory of water ? NDE's ? fluidity not crystallised. The source is within the light. We become Rainbows in a sense
My perception is, when we die everything ends. our families, our achievements everything ends. everything goes out. because we are just a reflection in the cosmic mirror. our individuality is just projection and programming of those who were programmed before us and so on.
Our perception is limited, death is not an ending but a transition. We are the universe experiencing itself, and as such nothing is ever truly lost or forgotten. This is why we know all life is sacred, otherwise it would be meaningless. The illusion is believing anything other than this could be true.
Animals, insects have different and at times better dashboards as humans. So humans are not the most evolved or advanced or better.
👍 Finally someone can see it !!! 100% true!!! Thank you
1:46 Death under analitic idealism
2:10 life and death under idealism
2:44 the good news
4:42 meaning
5:18 meaning under idealism
7:29
He's wrong in saying that since materialism considers subjectivity as epiphenomenal, whatever comes within the ambit of this subjectivity (which includes imagination, theories, dreams) will all be meaningless. This is idiotic and naively anthropocentric. Materialists could just as well say that meaning exists independently of us, implicit in objective scientific truths- and that some of our theories or imaginations are closer to this truth, than others (Like how Ptolemy's geocentric model was farther away from the truth, which had to be proven by the model of Galileo which is closer to the objective truth). If Bernado's position is accepted, then anything goes, and there is no need to test or verify whether our theoretical models correspond to the reality, because the reality as such corresponds to patterns of mentation. No scientific import, nor any moral or philosophical import. Just some plain old dreamy world ideology.
What meaning are you talking about? Meaning can only be experienced through subjective experience. Whatever kind of fantasy meaning you are talking about: There wouldnt be anyone to experience it. So the statement that "meaning exists withouth subjectivty" is illogical and makes no sense as we could never have any proof of it.
@@shauncy7 This is what philosophers call anthropocentrism. Meaning and purpose are subjectively experienced only because a deeper, objective truth exists independent of the distorted experiences of the subjects. Read the example I gave again and try to understand it. Bernado's philosophy offers consolation, but no credible scientific or philosophical import. It's the oldest trick in the book of fraudulent philosophy to say that since we can only be sure of subjectivity, everything else has to be subjectivity. For example, if you ascribe some deep meaning to a phenomena which is later objectively explained in a totally different way, then retrospectively, you have to admit that the ascription of your meaning was just a fantasy. Bernado's philosophy is convenient because it avoids confronting any such possibilities, and whatever doesn't fit into his schema is dismissed as fantasy and misinformation.
Idolatry and living in sin mean the same thing as believing that the world we experience could possibly be the cause of anything. Just like believing that our dream worlds could be the cause of anything. Einstein said imagination is more important than knowledge. I feel he said that because all knowledge is made entirely of imagination. E equals MC2 means energy is everything and this equates to one thing is everything divided by energy. Energy is equivalent to everything so one thing is energy divided by energy but this would be more accurately stated I think as one thing appears as energy divided by energy. One is the Universe, God, the all and it's division is the expression of it's divinity. I realize it takes a little getting used to. 🙏
@@imaginaryuniverse632 Ahh yes, The language of Charlatans.
Also, I am not even rejecting God as an actuality or potentiality. What I am rejecting is this guy's spinning techniques and dogmatic assertion of a certain naive interpretation of QM, without having any proper ground in philosophy (a true indication of the fact that earning a PhD these days doesn't really signify much) or the history of science. He serves ignorance and fantasies on a platter to the ones who are desperate. I empathize with the desperation of people wrt meaning and purpose and all that, but not with fraudsters like this who capitalize on their vulnerabilities.
Meaning in materialism!?? Oh you mean my S6 s7 neuron series firing for 10micro Seconds? Inside my skull? Lol ppl who belive that Consciousness is epiphenomenon of 'real' 'physical' brain has no right to blabber about meaning. Or in Bernados words 'materialism is baloney'
Pls listen king dashrath father of Lord rama
He fear of death in dream
And wake up than gurujii came and asking what is reality your dreams or this reality
If dream are not Reallity how you consider this is reality