This might be my favorite video I have ever watched. Outstanding clarity. I normally HATE philosophy-not because of the concepts, but because They make it so full of jargon and refer to each other’s viewpoints with single words or “isms” , and it seems like they are trying to win and box each other in by strategical prejudices... and using liberal peacock flourishes of complexity to display their organs of survival to each other... 😳BUT Bernardo actually says in a fine video moment how he also hates isms!!! I am in freaking HEAVEN because finally we have a real philosopher. Just saying.
I am also not formally schooled in "Philosophy", so yeah, there is definitely a learning curve needed to "keep up" when listening to any academic-based philosophical talks. Here Bernardo is using "plain talk" to convey his views, but he also has a Ph.D. in philosophy which becomes very evident in some of his other talks. I've been "chipping away" at this subject for many years, both experientially and intellectually, which has an accumulative good effect.... :) I'm getting better at keepin up.
He is so relaxed and have nothing to do with the other arogant and “precious” speakers. I hope his ideas will be soon known by anyone interested in phlosophy.
I am sure I have watched this before but I am amazed at how every time I listen to Bernardo the door to the light on the other side just moves ever so slightly and the slither of light shines a little more brighter than before
Thank you bernado, your efforts are hugely appreciated and have immense practical effect. The more you have tried to understand life, the more bernado's clarity is an enormous net that synthesises so much. Very helpful of you
More reasons why i love Bernado Kastrup & Rupert Spira, and why i hold to the Consciousness Only Ontology. Basically the position that Consciousness is the ONLY reality...and all observable phenomena is simply frequency variations of Consciousness happening within its own Field.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 How can you say so much in a comment yet say nothing, does thinking hurt you ? People with mindset like yours would kill scientists in the dark ages, wake up and embrace reality. You’re more than meat and bones and philosophy and many many biologists and scientists in other fields agree with this.
The ultimate meaning of life is one that pertains to everyone, not a different meaning for each individual ego self. That meaning is that the ego self constitutes a life of suffering resulting from attachment to the temporal, even if it makes us happy momentarily from time to time. Freeing ourselves from attachment to the temporal and reposing our pursuit of love in our source, we unite our consciousness constituted Selves in love with the Cosmic consciousness. And there is no doubt that this is what nature is signaling to us.
I agree that it's a misuse of astrology to try to predict the future. But astrology as a symbolic map of the psyche, in the hands of a skilled astrologer in dialogue with the person whose horoscope is being interpreted, is *astoundingly* informative and accurate. The issue of how it works is basically irrelevant. The fact is that, using the position of the planets as a metaphor works very well in describing the potentials, issues, strengths and challenges that individuals are dealing with.
@@kirstinstrand6292 It's certainly not necessary to study astrology, nor would I say it's important. But it does have validity when practised skilfully.
Such a thought provoking lecture. It makes me wonder if Bernardo thinks that coincidences, repeating patterns, synchronicities, repeated lessons, etc, all have deeper meaning? This would be huge for psychology, biology, even math/physics. I.e. is seeing a black cat cross the street really a sign of bad luck to come? Is constantly seeing 11:11 whenever you experience dejavú a sign that you need to pay attention to the dejavú? Is getting hit by bird doo doo a sign of good luck? The mention of dreams really made me contemplate this, because “falling off a cliff” in a dream might be representative of needing to take a leap of faith in your real life, or that you need to exit your comfort zone, etc. Do we then interpret events in our lives to have similar meaning on a higher level? Or: Are we representations of what “God” (Universal Mind) needs to do in order to experience? Or: Are we representations of biological processes happening at the scale of millions of light years? Like, is a galaxy similar to a cell? It’s such a profound idea, I love playing with it!
Dear Bernard , since the time of Darwin science has been undermining religion in the Judaeo-Christian tradition at least , to the point where people like Richard Dawkins say that you can't be a scientist and religious . I am someone who searched for ' meaning ' and found the best philosophy that satisfied me was advaita Vedanta . Even my humble knowledge of quantum physics made me feel that science and religion would again be reconciled through quantum physics and advaita . One of the most profound aspects of quantum theory is in describing the observer as participator . Neil's Bohr was particularly eloquent about this . Observer as participator is fundamental to advaita .E=🕉️
1976 saw the publication of A Course In Miracles in which it is said that in and of itself there is no meaning in anything. We give the world all the meaning it has.
No. They can be equally bad and also would not affect a self-realized person badly at all, who is not dependent on external circumstances for happiness.
I am not partisan about hardly anything but I humbly suggest that if you truly want to understand advaita Vedanta then Sri Ramana Maharshi is the supreme source in recent times . You may not know this but Sri Ramana had a profound effect on Carl Jung . By the way you are fantastically eloquent in English , despite it not being your first language .
So then.....Provoking intuition of symbolic meaning, prior to discursive words for it, indicates a shift in Great Being-ness as will be registered on the sensor of its mind...? Or as Dr Cornel West says it - "An artist is the thermostat, not a thermometer." Wonderful talk, Thank you.
Every conscious I point in creation comes with an individual dimension overlaying the shared reality, there are slight and almost undetectable difference between each conscious I point’s dimensional reality, this layer is more mendable than the shared reality and hold our karmic history, this is where we experience our individual rite of passage story and meaning in our life if we have grown finely tuned enough to detect it.
Thank you for your eloquence. You speak a beautiful truth. Have you ever heard of Andrew Bartzis? He gave me a beautiful picture of why the world is. He speaks to the vibrational truth of reality and the infinite complexity that is consciousness. I would love to have your take.
Bernardo, do you subscribe to the work of Tom Campbell on the nature of consciousness as well? I never heard you mentioning his approach and ideas on idealism, while you do mention Don Hoffman's work.
Divinity doesn't translate well into mundane (really, "crude") speech or text. It is impossible to capture with any human language the harmonious *music* and exquisite beauty of the holy spirit, which is essentially pure agape love. The kind of love that instantly heals broken hearts, banishing all sorrows *forever* . The best advice is to diligently seek it out and experience it for ourselves. Love *resonates* with love. Beauty with beauty, life with life, truth with truth. The meaning of life is to identify with, merge with, resonate with: God. Christ is knocking at our heart's door, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." We have only to open the door to him. Christ and holy angels exist, because we humans are not alone in the Universe.
I am.late to the party..But I am sp happy Bernardo says the truth about LOA. So many New ager huskters.take what philopshers and new science message and blow it so out of porportion...I love his work...
That happened to me in my early 30s. Up until then I was an arch liberal athiest who was very rational, but I felt empty and often alone in a meaningless world, which I couldn't tolerate anymore, and so I became spiritual. A middle way, as I was still very rational, but it was a start. I eventually found a home in the Quakers. Nice liberals, like me.
Talks are great, although the music at these festivals being purely materialistic and robotic for an audience predominantly on synthetic drugs keeps me wondering if you may be at the wrong venue :) technosatori?
“Why do you work at a job you hate?” “Because it means money in the bank.” “Why do you want money?” “Because money means the fulfillment of my desires?” “What are your desires?” “Food, sex, shelter, fun, power…” “What do all those things mean to you?” “Well, they give me a little, temporary glimpse into a a feeling of being, consciousness, and joy?” “And what does it mean to enjoy being, consciousness, and bliss?” “It doesn’t mean anything. It is a direct experience of the good, the true, and the beautiful.” “Hmmm. That sounds very much like God me.” “Sorry, Buddy, I don’t have anymore time to talk?” “Why not?” “I’m late for work!”
We are ALL uniquely different; there are different strokes for different folks. We are drawn towards whatever speaks to us. We are all equal, yet we are not the same.
"The universe is made of stories" pronounced David Novak, master storyteller, indispensable friend and our MC at the last three scientific symposia know as the Electric Universe conference. The Electric Universe paradigm and plasma cosmology is a bridge back to true rationalism and elegant simplicity in the theoretical sciences. Come for the electrical engineers and experimental physicists, stay for the holistic science and natural philosophy. Please consider contacting thunderbolts.info, have a look at EU2017 conference and don't forget... we need you. =0) PS- Great to see you!
Jack Passmore the universe is indeed a story but not in the entertainment sense. It’s information structure and functional symbols point to the next evolutionary step, and also where the universe came from and why. See “The Textbook of the Universe: the Genetic Ascent to God” the universe is a textbook we are meant to read at this time in history. All evolution is the evolution of thought and the memory of past thoughts. Information structures.
James Kina - I can assure you that Bernardo is well aware that the experience to be had while under the influence of a tryptamine is none other than seeing behind the curtain.
Hi Bernardo, this is a great vid. Thanks. I just watched your excellent discussion with TJump. I guess it boils down to this: You can't derive a qualitative system (mind) from a quantitative one (matter), but you can do the reverse. I.e. I can quantify 'red' into all the shades of red I see. But I can't qualify 'red' from that data. Also, 'red' must exist as a quality before it can be quantified. So quantified-systems are dependent on qualified ones. QED. I'd like to discuss the four elements with you, if you're interested...
@@nickolasgaspar9660 you missed the joke, I'm saying that ppl are crazy while agreeing with his philosophy, you either haven't listened or understood the meaning of this lecture.
Hi, thank you for the talk. I was wondering if you've seen the videos or works of Dr. Jordan B Peterson? He has developed an extensive thesis on meaning and human motivation across all levels of human organisation, and is very knowledgeable of Jungian ideas and mythologies of ancient civilisations. It would be fascinating to see a dialogue between the two of you, whom I both consider to be geniuses.
JP Indeed. I have known Jordan Peterson for 20 years and when I first spoke with him we talked for 2 hours straight and found out we didn’t really need to talk because we had the same brain. Lol!! It was like I met a long lost brother ❤️❤️❤️ I wrote the first serious review of like 5 reviews on Amazon of his book Maps of Meaning. So happy he is famous now. Bernardo reminds me of JP too because of the clarity and brotherly nature of his work too. I get him without reading any of his stuff... Lol. We ❤️ him for good reason.
Praxis Of Logos I forget he’s so famous now and stuff. The reason I felt like he was a long lost brother is because he was looking at life like I was. I too read Jung and was interested in symbols and comparative mythology and I told him a lot of things that I hear him use in his lectures since then. It was a strange synchronicity when we met. No one knew him, and he was standing in front of a poster with these orobouros dragons 🐉 on it and a hero inside it that looked like an Acalanatha image I put up as an undergrad and honestly I just had on a t-shirt I got at a Walmart in Chicago with a surfer shooting the curl where the wave was stylized into a dragon head and surrounded the surfer coming through the middle. It looked like the dragon in the poster exactly. So I made a joke about it and asked him what was going on in the poster and my jaw dropped. It was the first time someone understood what I considered to be my weird underground world view... at least part of it. It was life changing and gave me hope and faith in my own path. There is no overestimating what it did for me emotionally. The main thing I learned technically other than that was the 5000 year old “Epic of Gilgamesh” story about searching for the flower of immortality which I said sounded like the basic story of life. I was saying that science is basically doing that same quest for the same flower-the eternal behind the fleeting events of various experiments. Science is like x-rays, in that it allows us to see what is behind the “maya” of worldly events and so to me science is a religion meant to maintain peace because it’s repeatable and verifiable and change is built in. It’s all about the flower. Beauty and the Beast has it right. A flower is a symbol of life a functional living symbol. I mean really-part of the information structure and dynamic built into the universe and not just what Jordan thinks, although he has it right in the basic idea of what symbols mean to humans deep down. But later these were meant to be reinterpreted. This is also like life. It’s the evolution of thought. And it’s real. In the case of the flower, obviously it is beautiful and temporary to us, but also think about what it is like to be a flower. It has figured out without even having eyes to see, a religion of its own. It puts a lot of resources into making a color and a pattern which is beautiful to us. Further, it sacrifices nectar to the “gods “ in order to survive in the blind faith built into it by the ancestors in order to continue and reproduce as the vibratory hum of approaching wings and the touch of tiny angelic feet. A flower is a prayer flag. It affects us deeply because we know it is a symbol of all life. We feel it, and we know the forces of the universe that motivate the formation of the symbols of life. My idea, extending Jordan’s history of symbols is that we were meant to read these and the universe is a set of functional symbols with the path of life written over and over in life itself. The hieroglyphics in our information universe .
@@spiralsun1 you seem to have a clear Vision. Why not promote your ideas, instead of Jordan's. I appreciate that Jordan is a role model for the young, yet I do not see him in a debate with Benardo Kastrup. Myself, I am not a Christian, in fact I was misled in childhood, as many of us were. God may be inside; not "out there." I do not know where Bernardo stands on the God phenomenon. Develop your thoughts, I always enjoy reading you!
@@nickolasgaspar9660 To signify or simply to signal is to point you in whatever relevant direction. Better to see where life points you rather than get lost in useless meaning. Some drugs are actually good depending on your situation
@@nickolasgaspar9660 I don't think you got me. We make up our purpose in life by referencing certain indicators or pointers. We don't just do stuff Willy Nilly do we?
@@nickolasgaspar9660 You contradict yourself. If "you just know" your purpose that signifies something instinctive/innate and intrinsic. Which would mean that life has an intrinsic purpose which we all "just innately know".
@@nickolasgaspar9660So who the hell are you? What's your logical reason for asserting if life has intrinsic purpose or not? in all caps to boot? Why should anyone listen to you? You an expert or something? Are you one of these TH-cam know-it-alls? You're getting ahead of yourself and a tad annoying too.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 Why does teleology have to include the supernatural? Whether or not there is a supernatural my eyes have a specific purpose that is not subject to my interpretation or meaning. My hands and legs and all my internal organs have a purpose not determined by meaning. the purpose was set from birth. Purpose is tied to the fact that we live in symbiosis with plants & other creatures in an ecosystem and we also live in a web of interdependence between species and skill sets. The purpose of the ovaries and the female is to give birth. From that perspective life is filled with purpose. So let's hear you explain away the purposes i just outlined and demonstrate why life has no purpose.
Bernardo your ideas about reality / consciousness is very distinct/ untraditional/ unorthodox.... which is very much wanted / needed on the subject matter.... not tryna be dogmatic but tittle symbolic meaning of life is turn off for me .... coming from a decorated academic
Everything Bernardo says is like poetry of understanding and clarity.
This might be my favorite video I have ever watched. Outstanding clarity. I normally HATE philosophy-not because of the concepts, but because They make it so full of jargon and refer to each other’s viewpoints with single words or “isms” , and it seems like they are trying to win and box each other in by strategical prejudices... and using liberal peacock flourishes of complexity to display their organs of survival to each other... 😳BUT Bernardo actually says in a fine video moment how he also hates isms!!! I am in freaking HEAVEN because finally we have a real philosopher. Just saying.
Nice put!
I am also not formally schooled in "Philosophy", so yeah, there is definitely a learning curve needed to "keep up" when listening to any academic-based philosophical talks.
Here Bernardo is using "plain talk" to convey his views, but he also has a Ph.D. in philosophy which becomes very evident in some of his other talks.
I've been "chipping away" at this subject for many years, both experientially and intellectually, which has an accumulative good effect.... :) I'm getting better at keepin up.
He is so relaxed and have nothing to do with the other arogant and “precious” speakers. I hope his ideas will be soon known by anyone interested in phlosophy.
God bless this man. Thank you 🙏🏾 this message is so mystical and true I can feel it.
I am sure I have watched this before but I am amazed at how every time I listen to Bernardo the door to the light on the other side just moves ever so slightly and the slither of light shines a little more brighter than before
"It is wrong to think that the task of physics is to find out how Nature is. Physics concerns what we say about Nature." Neils Bohr
@@nickolasgaspar9660 how so ?
Yes I think Neil's Bohr was a very very significant person indeed .👍
Thank you bernado, your efforts are hugely appreciated and have immense practical effect. The more you have tried to understand life, the more bernado's clarity is an enormous net that synthesises so much. Very helpful of you
More reasons why i love Bernado Kastrup & Rupert Spira, and why i hold to the Consciousness Only Ontology.
Basically the position that Consciousness is the ONLY reality...and all observable phenomena is simply frequency variations of Consciousness happening within its own Field.
@@nickolasgaspar9660
How can you say so much in a comment yet say nothing, does thinking hurt you ? People with mindset like yours would kill scientists in the dark ages, wake up and embrace reality. You’re more than meat and bones and philosophy and many many biologists and scientists in other fields agree with this.
The ultimate meaning of life is one that pertains to everyone, not a different meaning for each individual ego self. That meaning is that the ego self constitutes a life of suffering resulting from attachment to the temporal, even if it makes us happy momentarily from time to time. Freeing ourselves from attachment to the temporal and reposing our pursuit of love in our source, we unite our consciousness constituted Selves in love with the Cosmic consciousness. And there is no doubt that this is what nature is signaling to us.
Please Bernardo, more languages. The world is blind to its own blindness and more people need to hear your message
He can speak more two languages better than Enlglish. May be also a little,German and a little bit Dnish. Kastrup is a City near Copenhagen
the blindness of the blind is blinding
at 42:00 => yes you can self reflect in your dream but it is very rare !!!
I agree that it's a misuse of astrology to try to predict the future. But astrology as a symbolic map of the psyche, in the hands of a skilled astrologer in dialogue with the person whose horoscope is being interpreted, is *astoundingly* informative and accurate. The issue of how it works is basically irrelevant. The fact is that, using the position of the planets as a metaphor works very well in describing the potentials, issues, strengths and challenges that individuals are dealing with.
I wish I had the background that you have, to understand such things. Life is too short.
@@kirstinstrand6292 It's certainly not necessary to study astrology, nor would I say it's important. But it does have validity when practised skilfully.
Such a thought provoking lecture.
It makes me wonder if Bernardo thinks that coincidences, repeating patterns, synchronicities, repeated lessons, etc, all have deeper meaning? This would be huge for psychology, biology, even math/physics. I.e. is seeing a black cat cross the street really a sign of bad luck to come? Is constantly seeing 11:11 whenever you experience dejavú a sign that you need to pay attention to the dejavú? Is getting hit by bird doo doo a sign of good luck?
The mention of dreams really made me contemplate this, because “falling off a cliff” in a dream might be representative of needing to take a leap of faith in your real life, or that you need to exit your comfort zone, etc.
Do we then interpret events in our lives to have similar meaning on a higher level?
Or: Are we representations of what “God” (Universal Mind) needs to do in order to experience?
Or: Are we representations of biological processes happening at the scale of millions of light years? Like, is a galaxy similar to a cell?
It’s such a profound idea, I love playing with it!
Dear Bernard , since the time of Darwin science has been undermining religion in the Judaeo-Christian tradition at least , to the point where people like Richard Dawkins say that you can't be a scientist and religious . I am someone who searched for ' meaning ' and found the best philosophy that satisfied me was advaita Vedanta . Even my humble knowledge of quantum physics made me feel that science and religion would again be reconciled through quantum physics and advaita . One of the most profound aspects of quantum theory is in describing the observer as participator . Neil's Bohr was particularly eloquent about this . Observer as participator is fundamental to advaita .E=🕉️
1976 saw the publication of A Course In Miracles in which it is said that in and of itself there is no meaning in anything. We give the world all the meaning it has.
oh trust me, not achieving those dreams is alot worse than realizing them and feeling "empty".
No. They can be equally bad and also would not affect a self-realized person badly at all, who is not dependent on external circumstances for happiness.
One of the rare presentations that i consume with 0,75 speed, because its so deep
Thats a good idea. I rewind a lot.
I am not partisan about hardly anything but I humbly suggest that if you truly want to understand advaita Vedanta then Sri Ramana Maharshi is the supreme source in recent times . You may not know this but Sri Ramana had a profound effect on Carl Jung . By the way you are fantastically eloquent in English , despite it not being your first language .
So then.....Provoking intuition of symbolic meaning, prior to discursive words for it, indicates a shift in Great Being-ness as will be registered on the sensor of its mind...? Or as Dr Cornel West says it - "An artist is the thermostat, not a thermometer." Wonderful talk, Thank you.
The meaning of life is to evoluate consciousness and to create a new race able to live in all dementions.
💗💗💗
I agree! Yet, such a reality will keep us returning several Millenniums if not an Eon.😁🤣😎🤨🤔😏
Every conscious I point in creation comes with an individual dimension overlaying the shared reality, there are slight and almost undetectable difference between each conscious I point’s dimensional reality, this layer is more mendable than the shared reality and hold our karmic history, this is where we experience our individual rite of passage story and meaning in our life if we have grown finely tuned enough to detect it.
Wonderful talk 👍👍
Thank you for your eloquence. You speak a beautiful truth. Have you ever heard of Andrew Bartzis? He gave me a beautiful picture of why the world is. He speaks to the vibrational truth of reality and the infinite complexity that is consciousness. I would love to have your take.
Bernardo, do you subscribe to the work of Tom Campbell on the nature of consciousness as well? I never heard you mentioning his approach and ideas on idealism, while you do mention Don Hoffman's work.
Thank you for opening my mind ❤️
27:00 "To see the mind of God, look to his creation"
Divinity doesn't translate well into mundane (really, "crude") speech or text. It is impossible to capture with any human language the harmonious *music* and exquisite beauty of the holy spirit, which is essentially pure agape love. The kind of love that instantly heals broken hearts, banishing all sorrows *forever* . The best advice is to diligently seek it out and experience it for ourselves.
Love *resonates* with love. Beauty with beauty, life with life, truth with truth. The meaning of life is to identify with, merge with, resonate with: God.
Christ is knocking at our heart's door, "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." We have only to open the door to him. Christ and holy angels exist, because we humans are not alone in the Universe.
Bernardo, what do you think about the law of attraction?
I am.late to the party..But I am sp happy Bernardo says the truth about LOA. So many New ager huskters.take what philopshers and new science message and blow it so out of porportion...I love his work...
Tough Q+A but very well responded and insigtful
Thank you.
That happened to me in my early 30s. Up until then I was an arch liberal athiest who was very rational, but I felt empty and often alone in a meaningless world, which I couldn't tolerate anymore, and so I became spiritual. A middle way, as I was still very rational, but it was a start. I eventually found a home in the Quakers. Nice liberals, like me.
Talks are great, although the music at these festivals being purely materialistic and robotic for an audience predominantly on synthetic drugs keeps me wondering if you may be at the wrong venue :) technosatori?
Dude, you definitley haven't been at this festival :D The prejudice is strong in you ;p
Interesting!
“Why do you work at a job you hate?”
“Because it means money in the bank.”
“Why do you want money?”
“Because money means the fulfillment of my desires?”
“What are your desires?”
“Food, sex, shelter, fun, power…”
“What do all those things mean to you?”
“Well, they give me a little, temporary glimpse into a a feeling of being, consciousness, and joy?”
“And what does it mean to enjoy being, consciousness, and bliss?”
“It doesn’t mean anything. It is a direct experience of the good, the true, and the beautiful.”
“Hmmm. That sounds very much like God me.”
“Sorry, Buddy, I don’t have anymore time to talk?”
“Why not?”
“I’m late for work!”
Bravo!
I was hoping I'd find stuff I disagree with Kastrup on and this video is full of it.
Then, go back to Disney and the land of the Cinderella, my friend, or perhaps you prefer Peter Pan?
We are ALL uniquely different; there are different strokes for different folks. We are drawn towards whatever speaks to us. We are all equal, yet we are not the same.
@@kirstinstrand6292 if we are not the same we are not equal.
Just like I was looking for comments that would annoy me, and here you are. Funny how that works.
A talk with Bernardo and Carl Jung……..One can dream…..
Alan Watts is the name of the man in the 70's.
"The universe is made of stories" pronounced David Novak, master storyteller, indispensable friend and our MC at the last three scientific symposia know as the Electric Universe conference. The Electric Universe paradigm and plasma cosmology is a bridge back to true rationalism and elegant simplicity in the theoretical sciences. Come for the electrical engineers and experimental physicists, stay for the holistic science and natural philosophy. Please consider contacting thunderbolts.info, have a look at EU2017 conference and don't forget... we need you. =0) PS- Great to see you!
Jack Passmore the universe is indeed a story but not in the entertainment sense. It’s information structure and functional symbols point to the next evolutionary step, and also where the universe came from and why. See “The Textbook of the Universe: the Genetic Ascent to God” the universe is a textbook we are meant to read at this time in history. All evolution is the evolution of thought and the memory of past thoughts. Information structures.
Bernardo the polymath, I wonder how you make sense of the strange experiences of tryptamine trances. Namely, the break through experience of DMT
James Kina - I can assure you that Bernardo is well aware that the experience to be had while under the influence of a tryptamine is none other than seeing behind the curtain.
@@MrTrda Bernardo's take on dmt is as unique and brilliant as his other ideas.
@@moesypittounikos would love to hear it
Hi Bernardo, this is a great vid. Thanks.
I just watched your excellent discussion with TJump.
I guess it boils down to this: You can't derive a qualitative system (mind) from a quantitative one (matter), but you can do the reverse.
I.e. I can quantify 'red' into all the shades of red I see. But I can't qualify 'red' from that data.
Also, 'red' must exist as a quality before it can be quantified. So quantified-systems are dependent on qualified ones. QED.
I'd like to discuss the four elements with you, if you're interested...
@@nickolasgaspar9660 I hope you aren’t as unhappy now as you were a year ago
cats meowing
The world is mental, mate.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 you missed the joke, I'm saying that ppl are crazy while agreeing with his philosophy, you either haven't listened or understood the meaning of this lecture.
Hi, thank you for the talk. I was wondering if you've seen the videos or works of Dr. Jordan B Peterson? He has developed an extensive thesis on meaning and human motivation across all levels of human organisation, and is very knowledgeable of Jungian ideas and mythologies of ancient civilisations.
It would be fascinating to see a dialogue between the two of you, whom I both consider to be geniuses.
JP Indeed. I have known Jordan Peterson for 20 years and when I first spoke with him we talked for 2 hours straight and found out we didn’t really need to talk because we had the same brain. Lol!! It was like I met a long lost brother ❤️❤️❤️ I wrote the first serious review of like 5 reviews on Amazon of his book Maps of Meaning. So happy he is famous now. Bernardo reminds me of JP too because of the clarity and brotherly nature of his work too. I get him without reading any of his stuff... Lol. We ❤️ him for good reason.
Praxis Of Logos I forget he’s so famous now and stuff. The reason I felt like he was a long lost brother is because he was looking at life like I was. I too read Jung and was interested in symbols and comparative mythology and I told him a lot of things that I hear him use in his lectures since then. It was a strange synchronicity when we met. No one knew him, and he was standing in front of a poster with these orobouros dragons 🐉 on it and a hero inside it that looked like an Acalanatha image I put up as an undergrad and honestly I just had on a t-shirt I got at a Walmart in Chicago with a surfer shooting the curl where the wave was stylized into a dragon head and surrounded the surfer coming through the middle. It looked like the dragon in the poster exactly. So I made a joke about it and asked him what was going on in the poster and my jaw dropped. It was the first time someone understood what I considered to be my weird underground world view... at least part of it. It was life changing and gave me hope and faith in my own path. There is no overestimating what it did for me emotionally. The main thing I learned technically other than that was the 5000 year old “Epic of Gilgamesh” story about searching for the flower of immortality which I said sounded like the basic story of life. I was saying that science is basically doing that same quest for the same flower-the eternal behind the fleeting events of various experiments. Science is like x-rays, in that it allows us to see what is behind the “maya” of worldly events and so to me science is a religion meant to maintain peace because it’s repeatable and verifiable and change is built in. It’s all about the flower. Beauty and the Beast has it right. A flower is a symbol of life a functional living symbol. I mean really-part of the information structure and dynamic built into the universe and not just what Jordan thinks, although he has it right in the basic idea of what symbols mean to humans deep down. But later these were meant to be reinterpreted. This is also like life. It’s the evolution of thought. And it’s real. In the case of the flower, obviously it is beautiful and temporary to us, but also think about what it is like to be a flower. It has figured out without even having eyes to see, a religion of its own. It puts a lot of resources into making a color and a pattern which is beautiful to us. Further, it sacrifices nectar to the “gods “ in order to survive in the blind faith built into it by the ancestors in order to continue and reproduce as the vibratory hum of approaching wings and the touch of tiny angelic feet. A flower is a prayer flag. It affects us deeply because we know it is a symbol of all life. We feel it, and we know the forces of the universe that motivate the formation of the symbols of life. My idea, extending Jordan’s history of symbols is that we were meant to read these and the universe is a set of functional symbols with the path of life written over and over in life itself. The hieroglyphics in our information universe .
@@spiralsun1 you seem to have a clear Vision. Why not promote your ideas, instead of Jordan's.
I appreciate that Jordan is a role model for the young, yet I do not see him in a debate with Benardo Kastrup. Myself, I am not a Christian, in fact I was misled in childhood, as many of us were. God may be inside; not "out there."
I do not know where Bernardo stands on the God phenomenon.
Develop your thoughts, I always enjoy reading you!
The purpose of life is to realize the significance of life....??..?.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 To signify or simply to signal is to point you in whatever relevant direction. Better to see where life points you rather than get lost in useless meaning. Some drugs are actually good depending on your situation
@@nickolasgaspar9660 I don't think you got me. We make up our purpose in life by referencing certain indicators or pointers. We don't just do stuff Willy Nilly do we?
@@nickolasgaspar9660 You contradict yourself. If "you just know" your purpose that signifies something instinctive/innate and intrinsic. Which would mean that life has an intrinsic purpose which we all "just innately know".
@@nickolasgaspar9660So who the hell are you? What's your logical reason for asserting if life has intrinsic purpose or not? in all caps to boot? Why should anyone listen to you? You an expert or something? Are you one of these TH-cam know-it-alls? You're getting ahead of yourself and a tad annoying too.
@@nickolasgaspar9660 Why does teleology have to include the supernatural? Whether or not there is a supernatural my eyes have a specific purpose that is not subject to my interpretation or meaning. My hands and legs and all my internal organs have a purpose not determined by meaning.
the purpose was set from birth.
Purpose is tied to the fact that we live in symbiosis with plants & other creatures in an ecosystem and we also live in a web of interdependence between species and skill sets. The purpose of the ovaries and the female is to give birth. From that perspective life is filled with purpose.
So let's hear you explain away the purposes i just outlined and demonstrate why life has no purpose.
Never thought about the definition of meaning in that way. Cool perspective
Krishnamurti knew all the answers, don’t believe me, just ask for yourself
Bernardo your ideas about reality / consciousness is very distinct/ untraditional/ unorthodox.... which is very much wanted / needed on the subject matter.... not tryna be dogmatic but tittle symbolic meaning of life is turn off for me .... coming from a decorated academic