@@Stonehorn and then destroyed many x more than all the others combined. A drunk can donate 100.00 to a bank account and then spend 10,000.00 on booze. There in the hole at the end
And then build huge resorts on a number of lakes. Just google it. I counted 8 huge lake properties! It is smart on his part. Donate to conservation on one hand. Exploit the lakes on the other hand. He fools most people who think his contributions are all good. It is just good public relations. Then he builds, builds, and builds resorts and stores everywhere. He knows how to exploit the system.
They call it progress. It happens everywhere. There’s no stopping it as far as the fishing goes. I think bass tournaments have had a negative affect on the fishing. We live on Lake of Ozarks and it’s nowhere as clear as it was in the 70s.
They are moving the Lake Rescue Shootout (boat races) to the Grand Glaize arm on Lake of the Ozarks! This is coming to the Glaize right next to the State park. The Glaize arm is still mostly untouched and is one of the few areas here where you can fish in peace and get away from people. I am furious about this! All of the big boats, waves, and noise are coming to a now pristine area of the lake. To top it off, they are building a big amusement park at the Glaize bridge...more big boats and congestion! We have the same problem here big time.
I moved to Branson on 2017 from northern Minnesota and was shocked with the development on table rock. I've been accustomed to fishing pristine lakes with very little pressure on them for most of my life. I have become so disheartened and disinfranchised with table rock that I almost exclusively fish Bull shoals lake. Bull shoals is one of the only undeveloped places in the southern part of the US. The fishing is much better there than on table rock as well. It's mind blowing why anyone coming to the Ozarks to fish would even consider table rock when Bull shoals is so close.
I hear what you are saying. After retiring from my job in Minneapolis, we moved to SW Ohio to be close to relatives. What a joke when it comes to fishing. Ohio has no natural lakes, just reservoirs constructed as flood control measures. What they call lakes has so much development along the shore, access is LIMITED to say the least. We were spoiled fishing Minnesota lakes, so much CLEAN water, seldom was another fishing boater an issue. The world is changing and not for the better. I'm glad to have lived when I did and to enjoy the hunting and fishing available to me. I wonder if Minnesota is today what it was when I moved away. One thing for certain, Minneapolis isn't! And that's my fishing doom and gloom experience.
I’m 64 year’s old and have been going down to Bull Shoals lake every year, since I was born! My Uncle Lloyd went to work at General Motors in St.Louis 1949 and retired 1974. My Aunt Alice and Uncle Lloyd along with about 8 other couples, all best friends and General Motors retiree’s moved down to Bull Shoals Lake in the mid to late 70’s! Myself and my 6 siblings spent every summer staying in resort cabins along Bull Shoals Lake until my Aunt and Uncle retired and moved there full time. My Uncle knew the lake like the back of his hand! I have countless pictures of him and his fishing buddies holding up fishing stringers with well over 20 large mouth bass, and other fish! I think humans have over developed and destroyed natural habitat we can’t get back! I’m very anti big government, but someone who can’t be bought off needs to stand up to these developers! Career politicians are part of the problem!
@@kennyw6932 I went to high school in northern Minnesota in the late '60's. I graduated from the U of M in '81(after a stint in the Navy). I was a disciple of the incredible fishing and hunting opportunities in Minnesota, and I was proud to say I was from Minnesota. Today? Forget it! All the "wokeness" has ruined that state. I have family there. My parents are buried there. I don't even want to visit, especially Minneapolis, a city that I loved. It's truly sad.
It's heartbreaking no one can have a cabin or stay at a resort on the lake which are very few. You have to have a million dollar estate. I remember the lake from the 1960's and it was a beautiful site for the eyes we will never see anything like it again. Thanks Randy
I live in Mountain Home, Arkansas, which is between Bull Shoals and Norfork lakes. We don't have the development on our lakes, yet. Hope it never happens.
I remember fishing there 25 years ago and there were very few houses. One of the most beautiful lakes in the country. I haven't fished there for about 8 years but the development was definitely obvious. It's still awesome when you're out on the water looking at the scenery.
It’s cool to build on pristine wilderness areas as long as you’re the only one living there. As soon as anyone else wants to build there it becomes a problem.
Yeah Albert thats exactly correct, the original people who lived at Table Rock built cabins near the shoreline and did fishing and occasional skiing, now its all these non Missouri non Arkansas rich pos who are blowing up and clearcutting nature to build condos and resorts and mansions. They should gtfo
Thanks Randy, I ve also watched this same thing happened to Lake ozarks, Bull shoals, and tablerock, it's sad to see all for money, because that's what it's about, ask johnny Morris, if you think he's doing that for you and I it is about profit and greed, I'm afraid it's to late
I live a couple hours south of the lake being discussed. We have hundreds of minor and large lakes within just a couple hours in any direction. But people only talk about like 3 of them for whatever reason.
@@ronniedale6040 ya thats all Randy fishes. Man needs to get out and see not evrry lake is developed as he states in this video. Im from Mi and same out there lakes upon lakes with no one one them. Driving thru wisconsin same thing. Stationef in Az same thing. Most the lakes have little to no development. When i was stationed in New mexico same thing.
Show me those lakes. Maybe you’re talking about the boundary waters, but every other lake outside of the boundary waters is slam full of houses, docks, and recreational boaters.
@@northernbassalliance1442 Any sizable lake worth fishing with a public boat launch in Minnesota and Wisconsin is going to be full of houses and docks. I’ve been to hundreds and very few are undeveloped.
Moonshine beach and Indian point are a prime example of overdevelopment I remember in the early eighties just a few mom and pop cabins now it’s like downtown Chicago 😩😩
This is SO WRONG! I grew up going to Table Rock at every chance for over 50 years. Look at what's been done to Lake of Ozarks commercialization 😢. Only thing that matters to government is $$$$
I live at Lake of the Ozarks. Docks everywhere. Bulldozers & developers everywhere. Amusement parks, casinos, condos everywhere. Most from big cities & out of state. Residents serve the wealthy. Dangerous to be in a bass boat on the weekend.
Randy - I agree on all points and Im in my 60s. I remember coves so clear I could cast for bass by sight. They saw me too but oh well. Side note - when they started gravel dredging on the finley river in the 70s I saw it and wanted to puke. Its never been the same. As others have said, if you read about the unimpounded white river before TR, it was a paradise for fishing and clean water and remote wilderness. Can you imagine the Ozarks before they cut the old growth forests? Sadly this is how it is. Its tragic and sad. Im not sure we can stop it any more than we can stop a tidal wave. However - you can still find what you are seeking in solutide and natural beauty in the Ozarks. Its in the streams. Wade fish Beaver creek north of bull shoals. Canoe on the Caddo River in arkansas. Yes, the NSR are beautiful if you dont mind competing with a zillion boy scouts but if you are willing to dig a little for info, do your own portaging, or walk some railroad tracks to find access - the clear water and beauty is there to be found as long as its not impounded. Thats the root cause. Nobody wants their weekend getaway in a flood zone. Push against future impoundments, fight for more protections for non NSR streams and that will make a real difference.
I’m from the west coast, that’s what happened to almost every body of water I’ve fished since the early 90’s. The pristine environment is why I love going out east to fish , this is super sad my children probably won’t get to see pure beauty like god intended it to be seen
Feel your pain Randy. In my area of Michigan we have a land preservation group that we pay tax milage to preserve land. We don’t have a large body of water like that but have preserved 1000’s of acres of land. The only way to fight it is with money. Lots of folks want to protect their land if they get some money from it.
Yes! It’s so common here but seldom mentioned in these discussions. Look next door, this isn’t a new issue, other areas have been addressing this for years, to preserve farmland and natural areas. The landowners get paid and get real estate tax relief.
I get tired of hearing about Table Rock all the time. I fished it once and was not impressed. Give me Truman or Mark Twain or several other lakes in MO. when it comes to natural areas, I think many people in our community of fishermen are popularizing Table Rock's profile-to it's ultimate detriment. The last thing you should ever want is your home lake popularized by, for example, being put in BassMaster's "Top 100 List".
I agree! Just look at the hillside just south of Kimberling City.The whole hillside developed with rentals stripped of all trees and they call it Natures something or other.What a freakin joke!
The permits aren’t restrictive enough and the developers outsize the scope and the variance is exceeded. Best example is located just over the Kimberling City bridge on the Lampe Mo side. Believe it’s themed Wilderness Mountain. The developers raped the land by over grading, removing all vegetation and not addressing drainage, runoff. SDC will actually have less impact than smaller negligent projects. Many people point to Big Cedar however the original scope of its main resort has mostly filled-in and has lowered its impact. However the addition of surrounding Morris projects are so vast we won’t see improvements in our lifetime. Developers and stakeholders will always ask for too much and it falls on the permitting to be the environment adults in the room. We are never safe from the renegade profiteering like the Lampe build because they decided that the “ Fines “ would be an offset to margins. We need to give assh*les like him jail time. Once the grade it the damage is irreversible. There are ways to build hotels with lower environmental impact. I personally built one in Big Sur, Ca. ( Post Ranch Inn ) we increased our budget to protect trees, watershed, vegetation and designed many rooms as treehouses. There are no perfect developments because of sewage, usage and utility. Just as our finest National Parks are damaged by visitors each day. Luckily the wildlife fights back and claims the slow runners. Over
I am sorry for your loss. I totally understand. It kills me to see the Potomac River change from year to year. My dad used to pick me up from school and take me down to the river in the 60s. This was before they built Blue Plains Treatment Center to clean up Washington waste. In the 70s you could go out and never see another angler. In the 80s hydrilla took up and cleaned the river up further. Bass fishing exploded! Then tourneys took over, Roland, Jimmy, & Hank had their fishing shows on the river. It was no longer a secret. Then they built a hotel and casino on the river's best spawning cove. There are no closed seasons on Bass on the lower Potomac and every club from PA, NY, and NJ.VA &.MD would have their club tourneys on the river because of that! I have watched Lake Anna do the same thing. I want to throw up when I think about it.. Its the price we pay in the name of development. Enjoy what you have today as it is precious. Add in the new electronics and it is down right pathetic! I suppose all of us Anglers in our 50s and 60s have similar memories. We didnt know how good we had it!
I agree. Im 41...born in 83. U cant just pull over and fish the potomac anymore especially close to DC ...every shoreline of the potomac seems to be private property.
While I don't necessarily agree with what they are doing reservoirs are created for more than just bass fisherman. There are a tremendous number of people who use reservoirs and don't even know what a fishing rod is
@@MooralFishing pretty sure i was spot on ... Randy's thesis was that among other things all this development has ruined the fishing on table Rock ... I was merely pointing out that the reservoir may not have been created solely for fisherman ... and the thousands that use it every week who don't fish couldn't care less that fishing has been ruined. ... please try to keep up, thx 👽🦖
@@astrophysicistguy fishermen pay money to conservation departments for our licenses as part of an agreement to preserve nature, it shouldnt be legal to clearcut forest and dump pesticides and herbicides and industrial runoff into the watershed using the excuse of "its my land" because lakes are a sportsmans resource we pay into
Truly unbelievable what’s going on these days! Humans will ruin everything they touch! Table rock was one of the most beautiful places on the planet! Not anymore! 😢😢😢
We went to Table Rock in the 60's. It was so pristine. I saw my first Bald Eagle there. I have seen the white jelly fish. The chicken shit fro Tyson chicken plants have ruined Ten Killer lake and the Illinois river.
My problem with him on the over development issue is he went and bought a house ( that looks like it's in the country ) on develop land in the country. Why is it okay for him but not anyone else. From the outside looking in it's very hypothetical. Why couldn't he just stay in his last house and keep that land undeveloped.
Unfortunately this is the world we live in.One commenter said this is what capitalism brings, I have traveled abroad, i'ts no different in other countries other than zero regulations on developers. How many of us complain and at the same time contribute to the mess. Randy put out a video last week showing his new bass boat, I wonder how good the manufacturing process to build it was for the enviroment or the gass it will burn or the truck he will use to pull it, all just like the developers, for profit. I wonder how it impacted the environment to clear the land for Randy to build his house, cut down the trees for the lumber to build it? I guess I will be labled a "smart ass" as Randy put it because I am pointing out a bit of hypocrisy. I like Randy, I watch every video but conservation needs to start at home and it needs to be more than a rant. Go to planning meetings, run to get on boards, you probably can't stop development but you can make sure regulations are in place and enforced. This is what we did on one of our local lakes and I believe it has ensured great fishing and balanced recreation. If you want change you have to do more than complain, thats easy, I hope Randy is doing more than ranting on you tube. If he is my sincere apologies.
@@charlespuckett8429no how about you stop making excuses. It’s the developers pushing it to make money at the expense of the environment. The politicians aren’t approving unless the deve😢paying them under the table everyone knows it
@@charlespuckett8429they vote without advertising the vote. The vote happens without anyone knowing don’t play stupid. If people knew about it they would approve it
I miss how Table Rock was back in the 80s and 90s. It has turned into another Lake of The Ozarks. The lower lake area is basically a no-go zone for us. We stay above the highway 13 bridge and stay up in the white river arm and the James river arm.
Its why I prefer Stockton lake... almost zero shoreline development and very few docks. Plus all the campground and ramp facilities are much better overall.
We live on the lake in Eagle Rock area. Still not overdeveloped down here and after September we get "our" lake back. Sometimes only see one or two boats all day, but sure seems like "they" are coming for us. Hopefully I'll be dead before it gets too bad.
It will never stop Randy, no one will get it or understand until it's ALL GONE 😢 . It's like that here in Virginia aswell as every state, it's very sad.
Do you not understand that local officials would not permit them and developers would not build them absent a robust market for such properties? I get tired of everyone blaming local officials and developers, rather than their peers in the general public who create the demand. How many here disgusted by the Table Rock Lake situation live in homes that were once natural habitat, ripped out and replaced by St.Augustine, centipede, zoysia, or some other grass, which then needs fertilizers, insecticides, fungicide, etc. pointing fingers is great, but try to point them in all the right directions.
I have fond memories of that lake. Same time frame 70’s i use to go there with my dad and uncles. I live in Chelsea Oklahoma now and they are getting ready to build a 2 billion dollar theme park in vinita. Pisses me off!
I listen to all your podcasts. I was surprised at your initial comments about I don’t care how much your mortgage is or what you’re paying for a dozen eggs. I would say the bulk of the fisherman and hunters are middle to upper middle class who are being devastated by inflation. Better look farther than land development operations. Who is going to be able to afford to even go to these destinations if things go wrong November 5.
It's happening everywhere, our farmland too!!! Chinese company bought 2700 acres around me, we were banded together in a joint effort to purchase it, myself and 4 other farmers. China land firm bought it!!!
What they’ve done where I live is they’ve started building hundreds of multi family housing complex’s because they’ve used all of the land up. I absolutely hate fishing on lakes full of houses and docks and recreational boaters. I can’t find any pristine undeveloped lakes within hours of my home.
I went fishing Friday on the south end of Lake West Point on the Alabama and Georgia state line. I only saw three boat in six hours of fishing. I fished no boat docks. There are no boat docks. It was quiet.
I was just at Silver Dollar City this past Wednesday for their "Pumpkin Festival". As one that has been going to SDC since 1965, this USED to be my favorite park to go to. Marvel Cave was the prime attraction. The "city" consisted of about six buildings back then, and the stagecoach was the only "ride". They also had a cowboy street shootout, but of course that came to an end due to the "political correctness" that was going on even "back in the day". Emphasis is put onto the "amusement" rides, instead of the arts and crafts that made this park what it WAS. Yes, WAS, because the crafts theme is disappearing quickly. I am saddened by this direction the park is headed. Some call it "progress", or "keeping with the times". But I call what it is. PROFITEERING!!! I heard a phrase the other day that makes perfect sense these days. "STEAL YOUR DOLLAR CITY". After going to this park for over 59 years, I have to say that this may have been my last visit.
Used to buy season tickets for the whole family every year. Stopped 10 yrs ago as the park began to change for the worse. You are right. It is now "STEAL YOUR DOLLAR CITY".
You are exactly right. It's money and it's suburban sprawl. I've grown up in a small town that has been consumed by Houston, every piece of land, every tree and every acre is consumed by schools, churches, neighborhoods and shopping centers. Lake Livingston Lake Conroe all are becoming engulfed by the big money. The cost of land is ridiculous. Cities like where I'm from all embrace and encourage this kinda of growth for tax purposes.
We have a lake near where we live. A local group of developers decided to build a 3-story restaurant on lake from property. A 3-story steel structure next to 1 story small cottages and homes built with wood. The local residents went to court and complained that that monster building is against local building code. The local zoning board approved the construction even though it was supposedly not allowed. Why would that happen. Someone was paid off. The courts agreed with the residents. However now this ugly steel skeleton structure sits on lake front property. It should never have been built in the first place. I guess the point is these big developers and companies throw money at local politicians and planning boards. They get what they want. It has been going on for decades. Unfortunately I don't see how it gets stopped.
In order to have ANY say about it, you or someone you know needs to be on the local planning board. Unfortunately, those 'out of staters' will usually pay the fines. After all, its already done. We lost at least 500' of shoreline after someone cut down 25-30 trees without local board approval. Fined and required to plant new trees. Of course, all that multi-ton of root system rotting underground and ground stumps to look at.
Awful!!!! My sister has a boat on lake Ouachita and we love the peace and forest that surrounds the lake! I have fished Table Rock lake and I’m very sad to hear this!
All the southern lakes are being wrecked by overdevelopment. Lake Lanier will most likely be a mudhole within the next 20 years. Lake Lanier has always been a highly visited lake NE of metro Atlanta, but the growth on the N and NE side is ruining it. Campgrounds are being sold off or converted to day use only. So many issues on these southern lakes.
It's not the 70's anymore. Every person including yourself lives in a house that was built where wildlife once lived. The only way someone has any place to speak against it is to buy and own the land. Do you not have a problem with the fact that your home and neighborhood has created the same results?
It’s a little late. Even Tanycomo is showing the effects of the nutrient load on Table Rock. It’s not just the building on TR. It goes all the way up to Springfield on the James, and the shit coming from Beaver.
Depending on how SDC handles this... they kept a lot of the wooded areas and cave just fine. Granted, the parking lots are the ones that ruin the look and probably cause the pollution. But look at amusement parks in general and walmart etc they all have this impack. So, depending on how they handle this, perhaps it'll be the same. I guess only time will tell.
I hear what your saying a 1600 acre amusement park adjacent to Table Rock is concerning. Here’s another perspective. I used to take my wife and daughter to Table Rock for vacations in the 90’s. Stayed in a resort between Cow Creek and Kimberling City. Took the 18’ Ranger. Made so many great family memories. Loved the cabins. The family that owned them made their living with the property. The resorts aren’t right on the lake and in my opinion don’t take away from the beauty.
Don't forget the increase in runoffs from all the additional hardscape from these large structures. Roofs, driveways, etc. While the landscape is mostly rock, with the climate changing to more extreme rain events, scouring to the steep slopes will eventually take it's toll to vegetation degredating the water quality further. This is so sad.
I'm with you. Unfortunately TR is somewhat doomed due to it's proximity to Branson. Hopefully, Bull Shoals is still remote enough to maintain it's more natural character. I mean, a purist would say that the nature of the place was spoiled the minute they started damming the wild flowing rivers, but that's a topic for another day.
i live in nixa mo and totally agree. It should be up in the lake of the qzarks not table rock. Lake of the ozarks already have all the tourists and parties anyway.
You seem to have a nice spread, looks spacious and beautiful, big yard, nice deck. All the comforts of suburban living. Why didn't you invest your hard earned money into something "sustainable", as you would call it. Something in the inner city, perhaps a run-down building in a crime-ridden area?
It’s about zoning. Counties want property taxes and taxes are based property values. Lake front property is more valuable so zone the property for residential use.
A major driver of this type of development is Bass Pro and Johnny Morris
Exactly
Bass Pro building tons of theme parks out there…
JM spends more on conservation than any private citizen in North America.
@@Stonehorn and then destroyed many x more than all the others combined. A drunk can donate 100.00 to a bank account and then spend 10,000.00 on booze. There in the hole at the end
And then build huge resorts on a number of lakes. Just google it. I counted 8 huge lake properties! It is smart on his part. Donate to conservation on one hand. Exploit the lakes on the other hand. He fools most people who think his contributions are all good. It is just good public relations. Then he builds, builds, and builds resorts and stores everywhere. He knows how to exploit the system.
They call it progress. It happens everywhere. There’s no stopping it as far as the fishing goes. I think bass tournaments have had a negative affect on the fishing. We live on Lake of Ozarks and it’s nowhere as clear as it was in the 70s.
They should re-name Lake of Ozarks and call it "Lake of Chaos".
They are moving the Lake Rescue Shootout (boat races) to the Grand Glaize arm on Lake of the Ozarks! This is coming to the Glaize right next to the State park. The Glaize arm is still mostly untouched and is one of the few areas here where you can fish in peace and get away from people. I am furious about this! All of the big boats, waves, and noise are coming to a now pristine area of the lake. To top it off, they are building a big amusement park at the Glaize bridge...more big boats and congestion! We have the same problem here big time.
I moved to Branson on 2017 from northern Minnesota and was shocked with the development on table rock. I've been accustomed to fishing pristine lakes with very little pressure on them for most of my life. I have become so disheartened and disinfranchised with table rock that I almost exclusively fish Bull shoals lake. Bull shoals is one of the only undeveloped places in the southern part of the US. The fishing is much better there than on table rock as well. It's mind blowing why anyone coming to the Ozarks to fish would even consider table rock when Bull shoals is so close.
I hear what you are saying. After retiring from my job in Minneapolis, we moved to SW Ohio to be close to relatives. What a joke when it comes to fishing. Ohio has no natural lakes, just reservoirs constructed as flood control measures. What they call lakes has so much development along the shore, access is LIMITED to say the least. We were spoiled fishing Minnesota lakes, so much CLEAN water, seldom was another fishing boater an issue. The world is changing and not for the better. I'm glad to have lived when I did and to enjoy the hunting and fishing available to me. I wonder if Minnesota is today what it was when I moved away. One thing for certain, Minneapolis isn't! And that's my fishing doom and gloom experience.
I’m 64 year’s old and have been going down to Bull Shoals lake every year, since I was born! My Uncle Lloyd went to work at General Motors in St.Louis 1949 and retired 1974. My Aunt Alice and Uncle Lloyd along with about 8 other couples, all best friends and General Motors retiree’s moved down to Bull Shoals Lake in the mid to late 70’s! Myself and my 6 siblings spent every summer staying in resort cabins along Bull Shoals Lake until my Aunt and Uncle retired and moved there full time. My Uncle knew the lake like the back of his hand! I have countless pictures of him and his fishing buddies holding up fishing stringers with well over 20 large mouth bass, and other fish! I think humans have over developed and destroyed natural habitat we can’t get back! I’m very anti big government, but someone who can’t be bought off needs to stand up to these developers! Career politicians are part of the problem!
@@kennyw6932 I went to high school in northern Minnesota in the late '60's. I graduated from the U of M in '81(after a stint in the Navy). I was a disciple of the incredible fishing and hunting opportunities in Minnesota, and I was proud to say I was from Minnesota. Today? Forget it! All the "wokeness" has ruined that state. I have family there. My parents are buried there. I don't even want to visit, especially Minneapolis, a city that I loved. It's truly sad.
It's heartbreaking no one can have a cabin or stay at a resort on the lake which are very few. You have to have a million dollar estate. I remember the lake from the 1960's and it was a beautiful site for the eyes we will never see anything like it again. Thanks Randy
You can go to Broken Bow Oklahoma and see a prettier lake with no development right now.
I live in Mountain Home, Arkansas, which is between Bull Shoals and Norfork lakes. We don't have the development on our lakes, yet. Hope it never happens.
Most of Arkansas is that way and I love it. Lake Hamilton the only dock lake I can think of withing 3 hours of me.
Wait isn't table rock a man made lake?
I remember fishing there 25 years ago and there were very few houses. One of the most beautiful lakes in the country. I haven't fished there for about 8 years but the development was definitely obvious. It's still awesome when you're out on the water looking at the scenery.
It’s cool to build on pristine wilderness areas as long as you’re the only one living there. As soon as anyone else wants to build there it becomes a problem.
Not anyone…everyone. And sheesh you sound like a developer . Ignoring the point and reality and voicing your “feelings”
@@motherlodebassin5369
You sound like Randy. Learn where to place blame.
@@bike4him589yeah the blame is the greedy land owners and developers who want to build these gaudy big buildings and houses and overdevelop
Yeah Albert thats exactly correct, the original people who lived at Table Rock built cabins near the shoreline and did fishing and occasional skiing, now its all these non Missouri non Arkansas rich pos who are blowing up and clearcutting nature to build condos and resorts and mansions. They should gtfo
I'm so glad to hear the passion back in your voice!!!
Thanks Randy, I ve also watched this same thing happened to Lake ozarks, Bull shoals, and tablerock, it's sad to see all for money, because that's what it's about, ask johnny Morris, if you think he's doing that for you and I it is about profit and greed, I'm afraid it's to late
It's a sad situation and you're 100%right. Don't know what to do about this. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Glad i fish in MN and not the same 3 lakes in the south and am able to see hundreds of lakes with 0 development, 0 homes etc. Its nice.
I live a couple hours south of the lake being discussed. We have hundreds of minor and large lakes within just a couple hours in any direction. But people only talk about like 3 of them for whatever reason.
@@ronniedale6040 ya thats all Randy fishes. Man needs to get out and see not evrry lake is developed as he states in this video. Im from Mi and same out there lakes upon lakes with no one one them. Driving thru wisconsin same thing. Stationef in Az same thing. Most the lakes have little to no development. When i was stationed in New mexico same thing.
Show me those lakes. Maybe you’re talking about the boundary waters, but every other lake outside of the boundary waters is slam full of houses, docks, and recreational boaters.
@@northernbassalliance1442
Any sizable lake worth fishing with a public boat launch in Minnesota and Wisconsin is going to be full of houses and docks. I’ve been to hundreds and very few are undeveloped.
I remember years ago they said they wouldn’t let Table Rock turn into a LOZ building right on the lake.
Moonshine beach and Indian point are a prime example of overdevelopment I remember in the early eighties just a few mom and pop cabins now it’s like downtown Chicago 😩😩
This is SO WRONG! I grew up going to Table Rock at every chance for over 50 years. Look at what's been done to Lake of Ozarks commercialization 😢. Only thing that matters to government is $$$$
I live at Lake of the Ozarks. Docks everywhere. Bulldozers & developers everywhere. Amusement parks, casinos, condos everywhere. Most from big cities & out of state. Residents serve the wealthy. Dangerous to be in a bass boat on the weekend.
That's happening all over US !! Greed will take away all the Lakes !!!
Randy - I agree on all points and Im in my 60s. I remember coves so clear I could cast for bass by sight. They saw me too but oh well. Side note - when they started gravel dredging on the finley river in the 70s I saw it and wanted to puke.
Its never been the same.
As others have said, if you read about the unimpounded white river before TR, it was a paradise for fishing and clean water and remote wilderness. Can you imagine the Ozarks before they cut the old growth forests?
Sadly this is how it is. Its tragic and sad. Im not sure we can stop it any more than we can stop a tidal wave.
However - you can still find what you are seeking in solutide and natural beauty in the Ozarks. Its in the streams. Wade fish Beaver creek north of bull shoals. Canoe on the Caddo River in arkansas. Yes, the NSR are beautiful if you dont mind competing with a zillion boy scouts but if you are willing to dig a little for info, do your own portaging, or walk some railroad tracks to find access - the clear water and beauty is there to be found as long as its not impounded. Thats the root cause. Nobody wants their weekend getaway in a flood zone. Push against future impoundments, fight for more protections for non NSR streams and that will make a real difference.
Yes I haveI seen it too. Not a very good scenic view to go there. I won’t fish on weekends do to all the boat traffic.
I’m from the west coast, that’s what happened to almost every body of water I’ve fished since the early 90’s. The pristine environment is why I love going out east to fish , this is super sad my children probably won’t get to see pure beauty like god intended it to be seen
Its a man made lake...fishing at Lake Ozarks improved a lot after all the docks showed up. Its good and bad news, depending on your interests.
Feel your pain Randy. In my area of Michigan we have a land preservation group that we pay tax milage to preserve land. We don’t have a large body of water like that but have preserved 1000’s of acres of land. The only way to fight it is with money. Lots of folks want to protect their land if they get some money from it.
Yes! It’s so common here but seldom mentioned in these discussions. Look next door, this isn’t a new issue, other areas have been addressing this for years, to preserve farmland and natural areas. The landowners get paid and get real estate tax relief.
I get tired of hearing about Table Rock all the time. I fished it once and was not impressed. Give me Truman or Mark Twain or several other lakes in MO. when it comes to natural areas, I think many people in our community of fishermen are popularizing Table Rock's profile-to it's ultimate detriment. The last thing you should ever want is your home lake popularized by, for example, being put in BassMaster's "Top 100 List".
You should see what is going on here at lake Conroe they just bulldozed like 100 acres in the back of atkins creek
I couldnt agree more here. Its sad. Unfortunately, its spreading like a cancer everywhere
I agree! Just look at the hillside just south of Kimberling City.The whole hillside developed with rentals stripped of all trees and they call it Natures something or other.What a freakin joke!
Wilderness Mountain minus the wilderness!
The permits aren’t restrictive enough and the developers outsize the scope and the variance is exceeded. Best example is located just over the Kimberling City bridge on the Lampe Mo side. Believe it’s themed Wilderness Mountain. The developers raped the land by over grading, removing all vegetation and not addressing drainage, runoff.
SDC will actually have less impact than smaller negligent projects. Many people point to Big Cedar however the original scope of its main resort has mostly filled-in and has lowered its impact. However the addition of surrounding Morris projects are so vast we won’t see improvements in our lifetime.
Developers and stakeholders will always ask for too much and it falls on the permitting to be the environment adults in the room. We are never safe from the renegade profiteering like the Lampe build because they decided that the “ Fines “ would be an offset to margins. We need to give assh*les like him jail time. Once the grade it the damage is irreversible.
There are ways to build hotels with lower environmental impact. I personally built one in Big Sur, Ca. ( Post Ranch Inn ) we increased our budget to protect trees, watershed, vegetation and designed many rooms as treehouses.
There are no perfect developments because of sewage, usage and utility. Just as our finest National Parks are damaged by visitors each day. Luckily the wildlife fights back and claims the slow runners.
Over
I agree with you completely. I don’t care whose fault it is. It’s wrong. Makes me sick.
I am sorry for your loss. I totally understand. It kills me to see the Potomac River change from year to year. My dad used to pick me up from school and take me down to the river in the 60s. This was before they built Blue Plains Treatment Center to clean up Washington waste. In the 70s you could go out and never see another angler. In the 80s hydrilla took up and cleaned the river up further. Bass fishing exploded! Then tourneys took over, Roland, Jimmy, & Hank had their fishing shows on the river. It was no longer a secret. Then they built a hotel and casino on the river's best spawning cove. There are no closed seasons on Bass on the lower Potomac and every club from PA, NY, and NJ.VA &.MD would have their club tourneys on the river because of that! I have watched Lake Anna do the same thing. I want to throw up when I think about it.. Its the price we pay in the name of development. Enjoy what you have today as it is precious. Add in the new electronics and it is down right pathetic! I suppose all of us Anglers in our 50s and 60s have similar memories. We didnt know how good we had it!
I agree. Im 41...born in 83. U cant just pull over and fish the potomac anymore especially close to DC ...every shoreline of the potomac seems to be private property.
It's really sad to see, but as long as our population keeps growing, we will keep seeing more of this.
While I don't necessarily agree with what they are doing reservoirs are created for more than just bass fisherman. There are a tremendous number of people who use reservoirs and don't even know what a fishing rod is
^^^^Now that's how you say you missed the point without actually saying it.
@@MooralFishing pretty sure i was spot on ... Randy's thesis was that among other things all this development has ruined the fishing on table Rock ... I was merely pointing out that the reservoir may not have been created solely for fisherman ... and the thousands that use it every week who don't fish couldn't care less that fishing has been ruined. ... please try to keep up, thx 👽🦖
Yeah maybe that should change
@@boomerkingsley8780 well when you are a hammer everything looks like a nail ...
@@astrophysicistguy fishermen pay money to conservation departments for our licenses as part of an agreement to preserve nature, it shouldnt be legal to clearcut forest and dump pesticides and herbicides and industrial runoff into the watershed using the excuse of "its my land" because lakes are a sportsmans resource we pay into
Truly unbelievable what’s going on these days! Humans will ruin everything they touch! Table rock was one of the most beautiful places on the planet! Not anymore! 😢😢😢
It was created by humans too
Humans flooded the beautiful Ozark mountains to create a lake. How many acres did they destroy?
@@NonamejustcommonsenseTable Rock flooded and undeveloped was just as beautiful as the White river
We went to Table Rock in the 60's. It was so pristine. I saw my first Bald Eagle there. I have seen the white jelly fish. The chicken shit fro Tyson chicken plants have ruined Ten Killer lake and the Illinois river.
Doom is all our species offers.
My problem with him on the over development issue is he went and bought a house ( that looks like it's in the country ) on develop land in the country. Why is it okay for him but not anyone else. From the outside looking in it's very hypothetical. Why couldn't he just stay in his last house and keep that land undeveloped.
Unfortunately this is the world we live in.One commenter said this is what capitalism brings, I have traveled abroad, i'ts no different in other countries other than zero regulations on developers. How many of us complain and at the same time contribute to the mess. Randy put out a video last week showing his new bass boat, I wonder how good the manufacturing process to build it was for the enviroment or the gass it will burn or the truck he will use to pull it, all just like the developers, for profit. I wonder how it impacted the environment to clear the land for Randy to build his house, cut down the trees for the lumber to build it? I guess I will be labled a "smart ass" as Randy put it because I am pointing out a bit of hypocrisy. I like Randy, I watch every video but conservation needs to start at home and it needs to be more than a rant. Go to planning meetings, run to get on boards, you probably can't stop development but you can make sure regulations are in place and enforced. This is what we did on one of our local lakes and I believe it has ensured great fishing and balanced recreation. If you want change you have to do more than complain, thats easy, I hope Randy is doing more than ranting on you tube. If he is my sincere apologies.
Randy will respond to you by selling you one of his toxic Lead jigs.
Randy I live in Mn, the places that I hunted as a kid now have houses on them I appreciate what you are saying
Again, it's not the Developers, its the local government that issues the permits and zoning.
That’s what I said in the video
the local governments are in it hand in hand with the developers ! they want the $$$$ too ! Very sad
@@randyblaukatintuitive head that at the end. Stop blaming the Developers and put the blame on the voters that vote the people in offices.
@@charlespuckett8429no how about you stop making excuses. It’s the developers pushing it to make money at the expense of the environment. The politicians aren’t approving unless the deve😢paying them under the table everyone knows it
@@charlespuckett8429they vote without advertising the vote. The vote happens without anyone knowing don’t play stupid. If people knew about it they would approve it
Go to Bull Shoals. No development there. Not even a good boat ramp on the Missouri side.
I miss how Table Rock was back in the 80s and 90s.
It has turned into another Lake of The Ozarks. The lower lake area is basically a no-go zone for us. We stay above the highway 13 bridge and stay up in the white river arm and the James river arm.
Its why I prefer Stockton lake... almost zero shoreline development and very few docks. Plus all the campground and ramp facilities are much better overall.
Thanks!
We live on the lake in Eagle Rock area. Still not overdeveloped down here and after September we get "our" lake back. Sometimes only see one or two boats all day, but sure seems like "they" are coming for us. Hopefully I'll be dead before it gets too bad.
It will never stop Randy, no one will get it or understand until it's ALL GONE 😢 . It's like that here in Virginia aswell as every state, it's very sad.
Do you not understand that local officials would not permit them and developers would not build them absent a robust market for such properties? I get tired of everyone blaming local officials and developers, rather than their peers in the general public who create the demand. How many here disgusted by the Table Rock Lake situation live in homes that were once natural habitat, ripped out and replaced by St.Augustine, centipede, zoysia, or some other grass, which then needs fertilizers, insecticides, fungicide, etc. pointing fingers is great, but try to point them in all the right directions.
Cedar lodge started a lot of that
Look what Lake of the ozarks has become!
Exactly
Isn't Johnny Morris part of all this development, he's not afraid of tearing up land.
JM spends more on conservation than any private citizen in North America
@@Stonehorn That means he’s probably making way too much.
@@danton94so buy your baits from the mega corporation that owns Tackle Warehouse which puts about 5% of what Morris puts into the environment.
How much money is the corporation that owns Tackle Warehouse? How much have they donated to conservation?
JM has nothing to do with SDC. SDC owns most of Branson.
i’ve camped here for the past week. its not the same. i still love it- but i don’t recognize it anymore
That is like Disney World in Florida. One of the worst things that ever happened to the state.
Move on down to Flippin. Still virtually no defiling of Bull Shoals, and Norfork. Thank COE for thiss.🎉
I have fond memories of that lake. Same time frame 70’s i use to go there with my dad and uncles. I live in Chelsea Oklahoma now and they are getting ready to build a 2 billion dollar theme park in vinita. Pisses me off!
I listen to all your podcasts. I was surprised at your initial comments about I don’t care how much your mortgage is or what you’re paying for a dozen eggs. I would say the bulk of the fisherman and hunters are middle to upper middle class who are being devastated by inflation. Better look farther than land development operations. Who is going to be able to afford to even go to these destinations if things go wrong November 5.
Might be self limiting 😊
Amen brother your hittin the nail on the head .200 hundred acres fields i use to hunt And trap now are gone .I feel all your pain it's sad .
Money is the root of all evil!
I blame Marty Byrd.
It's happening everywhere, our farmland too!!! Chinese company bought 2700 acres around me, we were banded together in a joint effort to purchase it, myself and 4 other farmers. China land firm bought it!!!
The same thing has happened to our great Lake Winnipesaukee.so very disturbing 😞
Often times local developers are the local government. How many commissioners are often contractors?
What they’ve done where I live is they’ve started building hundreds of multi family housing complex’s because they’ve used all of the land up. I absolutely hate fishing on lakes full of houses and docks and recreational boaters. I can’t find any pristine undeveloped lakes within hours of my home.
I went fishing Friday on the south end of Lake West Point on the Alabama and Georgia state line. I only saw three boat in six hours of fishing. I fished no boat docks. There are no boat docks. It was quiet.
Agree with you 100%!!! Stay Safe & God Bless!! 🤠👍
I was just at Silver Dollar City this past Wednesday for their "Pumpkin Festival".
As one that has been going to SDC since 1965, this USED to be my favorite park to go to.
Marvel Cave was the prime attraction.
The "city" consisted of about six buildings back then, and the stagecoach was the only "ride". They also had a cowboy street shootout, but of course that came to an end due to the "political correctness" that was going on even "back in the day".
Emphasis is put onto the "amusement" rides, instead of the arts and crafts that made this park what it WAS.
Yes, WAS, because the crafts theme is disappearing quickly.
I am saddened by this direction the park is headed.
Some call it "progress", or "keeping with the times". But I call what it is. PROFITEERING!!!
I heard a phrase the other day that makes perfect sense these days.
"STEAL YOUR DOLLAR CITY".
After going to this park for over 59 years, I have to say that this may have been my last visit.
Used to buy season tickets for the whole family every year. Stopped 10 yrs ago as the park began to change for the worse. You are right. It is now "STEAL YOUR DOLLAR CITY".
What kind of Charity is Silver Dollar City?
This is not happening at Dale Hollow because of the easement around the lake. It's nice.
Missouri just got rid of the easements
You are exactly right. It's money and it's suburban sprawl. I've grown up in a small town that has been consumed by Houston, every piece of land, every tree and every acre is consumed by schools, churches, neighborhoods and shopping centers. Lake Livingston Lake Conroe all are becoming engulfed by the big money. The cost of land is ridiculous. Cities like where I'm from all embrace and encourage this kinda of growth for tax purposes.
Possum Kingdom Lake in Texas same way.
We have a lake near where we live. A local group of developers decided to build a 3-story restaurant on lake from property. A 3-story steel structure next to 1 story small cottages and homes built with wood. The local residents went to court and complained that that monster building is against local building code. The local zoning board approved the construction even though it was supposedly not allowed. Why would that happen. Someone was paid off. The courts agreed with the residents. However now this ugly steel skeleton structure sits on lake front property. It should never have been built in the first place.
I guess the point is these big developers and companies throw money at local politicians and planning boards. They get what they want. It has been going on for decades. Unfortunately I don't see how it gets stopped.
You talking about fishing in the 70s'. I remember your fishing stories from Duquesne school
You have role with the flow
In order to have ANY say about it, you or someone you know needs to be on the local planning board. Unfortunately, those 'out of staters' will usually pay the fines. After all, its already done. We lost at least 500' of shoreline after someone cut down 25-30 trees without local board approval. Fined and required to plant new trees. Of course, all that multi-ton of root system rotting underground and ground stumps to look at.
Does it make a difference that it is an artificial lake built in the mid to late 50's? Is it a natural resource?
Look what happened to Taneycomo in downtown Branson The park and resorts are gone and shopping malls are there now !
You said it at the beginning of your video people did not see the lake the way it used to be!! I think that’s the problem it’s a age thing!!
I definitely agree with you on this one 💯
Thankful we still have pristine Stockton lake
They are destroying Lake James and the Catawba chain of lakes past Norman to the Santee Cooper. Not good for me growing up here
Yeah we are heading in that direction. I can not believe they are doing that.
It used to be affordable to go to Tablerock. The mom and pop resorts are gone.
Awful!!!! My sister has a boat on lake Ouachita and we love the peace and forest that surrounds the lake! I have fished Table Rock lake and I’m very sad to hear this!
Urban sprawl started to kill the lake in the early 90s, there was a huge fish kill in the james river.
The core got it right on Truman lake
It'll probably change some day. The Rock is Corps too...
Most of America is obsessed with Concrete & Brick & Mortor 😢
I live here! On the lake! it’s really bad
All the southern lakes are being wrecked by overdevelopment. Lake Lanier will most likely be a mudhole within the next 20 years. Lake Lanier has always been a highly visited lake NE of metro Atlanta, but the growth on the N and NE side is ruining it. Campgrounds are being sold off or converted to day use only. So many issues on these southern lakes.
It's not the 70's anymore. Every person including yourself lives in a house that was built where wildlife once lived. The only way someone has any place to speak against it is to buy and own the land. Do you not have a problem with the fact that your home and neighborhood has created the same results?
It’s a little late. Even Tanycomo is showing the effects of the nutrient load on Table Rock. It’s not just the building on TR. It goes all the way up to Springfield on the James, and the shit coming from Beaver.
Depending on how SDC handles this... they kept a lot of the wooded areas and cave just fine. Granted, the parking lots are the ones that ruin the look and probably cause the pollution. But look at amusement parks in general and walmart etc they all have this impack. So, depending on how they handle this, perhaps it'll be the same. I guess only time will tell.
I hear what your saying a 1600 acre amusement park adjacent to Table Rock is concerning. Here’s another perspective. I used to take my wife and daughter to Table Rock for vacations in the 90’s. Stayed in a resort between Cow Creek and Kimberling City. Took the 18’ Ranger. Made so many great family memories. Loved the cabins. The family that owned them made their living with the property. The resorts aren’t right on the lake and in my opinion don’t take away from the beauty.
Don't forget the increase in runoffs from all the additional hardscape from these large structures. Roofs, driveways, etc. While the landscape is mostly rock, with the climate changing to more extreme rain events, scouring to the steep slopes will eventually take it's toll to vegetation degredating the water quality further. This is so sad.
I freakin hate fighting a crowd at the lake...that's why I do so much pond fishing throughout the height of summer
Sickening!
I'm with you. Unfortunately TR is somewhat doomed due to it's proximity to Branson. Hopefully, Bull Shoals is still remote enough to maintain it's more natural character. I mean, a purist would say that the nature of the place was spoiled the minute they started damming the wild flowing rivers, but that's a topic for another day.
i live in nixa mo and totally agree. It should be up in the lake of the qzarks not table rock. Lake of the ozarks already have all the tourists and parties anyway.
Dealing with the same issue around my home lake it’s sickening I agree it’s the fault of the government & developers I seen it in Georgia too
You seem to have a nice spread, looks spacious and beautiful, big yard, nice deck. All the comforts of suburban living. Why didn't you invest your hard earned money into something "sustainable", as you would call it. Something in the inner city, perhaps a run-down building in a crime-ridden area?
Should have built a wall around it
The very same thing has happened to what was a good lake in georgia. Lake Oconee once was a pretty good lake to fish. Not anymore.
Lakes aren’t just here for fishing Randy, just like the trees in the woods, they aren’t just there for hunting.
I remember Chickamauga before all the development. It is sad.
It’s about zoning. Counties want property taxes and taxes are based property values. Lake front property is more valuable so zone the property for residential use.