Max Holloway or Adesanya Who's Better All Time

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[@GamerN8IV]

Max is still working , give this convo a few more years

[@wessel6082]

Anything could happen. Izzy could also beat DDP get his rematch with Strickland win that fight move up and beat the lhw champ to become double champ and become one of the greatest of all time

[@semicki135]

@@wessel6082bro that’s the biggest “what if” i’ve ever heard kinda like saying pereira will beat Jiri and Ankalaev then move up and beat aspinall and Jones and become the goat. Although i hate to say it you are correct anything can happen😂

[@olliedeaney8740]

People forget how young Max is,
And he hasn’t done himself many favours by fighting DAWGS all his early 20’s

[@bodystacker4847]

Romero and Whittaker 2 were robberies

[@PYRO_FPS]

Its easily Max

[@notpaper-cr6ni]

Max has actually gone up in weight and had success. If not it’d be Izzy.

[@elliotmichieli1702]

Gotta be max

[@papap7509]

I’m taking max easy. He’s also the better striker in terms of technical prowess also but we don’t gotta start that convo lmao

[@Sin-pt2eq]

Better and greatness are different, max is the better fighter he fought in a tougher division he’s more skilled, greatness on the other hand is typically measured by accolades, and Izzy being a 2 time defending champ for as long as he was definitely puts his greatness over max. Max still has a lot more in him tho, and Izzy is pretty much done it seems

[@m3rl707]

Max Best wins: Aldo 2x, Pettis, Edgar, Gaethje, Ortega, Yair, TKZ, Oliveira amongst others. Thats 7 wins against champions including interims. I think Max has a more stacked resume and faced tougher opponents. Both are great fighers tho.

[@monstermilkman4567]

I feel like people know how much of a dog max is now. He has the greatest chin in ufc history. Izzy was a good champ but he got schooled by Strickland. Max has grown up in the ufc. He is the toughest dude to ever step foot in the octagon imo

[@Gree1060]

Yall doing mental gymnastics. Izzy is better. Point blank period.

[@Kgopani3101]

No he isn't, his win against rob in the rematch and against romero is questionable asf, gasteleum is 2-7 in his last 9, holloway beat a prime jose Aldo 2 times who still as an old man gave the best BW's a run for their money, gaethje who's beat guys like porier, Ferguson, Michael Johnson, then pettis, holloway clears izzy BY A MILE not to mention MW has been historically one of the worst divisions ever, guys like brendan Allen and vittori are ranked top 5 and top 10 ffs

[@luanselmani4695]

Max has better wins and losses, dodged nobody and is just getting into his prime. Stop coping dogbender fan

[@topofflag605]

@@luanselmani4695who has izzy ducked

[@CRT4Dummies]

blasphemer

[@notpaper-cr6ni]

His prime is the gaethje fight.

[@joeswanson5486]

Agree on paper but in reality I 100% agree. The issue with Izzy aren’t even his Losses it’s his wins that are too close. Outside of Strickland is loosing to pereira and Jan really that bad?

[@SammyFash]

So you agree but you still agree?

[@alp_mez8598]

Damn this is a close one but izzy because he finally beat poatan. Max beating volk now won't be as impressive as he's washed now.

[@HunterMMA]

Chael Sonnen

[@Harry1of1]

Can’t put mere mortals against the undefeated undisputed

[@jacobochoa-fy6ve]

Max has the better wins & losses & being from a smaller weight class where it’s more competitive

[@Boidan69]

Recency bias

[@LinkToTheJax]

You look like money moicano if he didn’t have money and was impoverished moicano

[@MyDixieNormis]

Izzy

[@SammyFash]

Thats a dumbass sentimental take for the solid arguments you laid out 😂

[@Harry1of1]

I only got 60 secs bro lmfao I can’t get too in depth

[@ericwhite9189]

@@Harry1of1not a bad take at all. Just because on paper someone’s better doesn’t make them better all the time. There’s context in every argument

[@user-oz5wb4eb4k]

Max definitely, Izzy is good but at middle weight he was fighting shorter men, very shorter than him.

[@alexlilano1931]

I disagree. Izzy was a generational champion and was basically undefeated in his prime. Izzy is probably out of his prime now and starting to lose. This happens to all the greats. Holloway was an upper tier fighter, but not a dominant champion. I put Holloway in the same teir as Ben Henderson, Frankie Edgar, and Anthony Petits. They all have three title defenses and kind of beat each other. You also left out Holloway lost to Conner and Dustin twice. This is recenty bias. Izzy had a much better career and it isnt close.

[@sf_6767]

Max lost to Porier in his prime also

[@TheHoneycomber]

izzy lost to Rob and Yoel (yoel fight should have been a draw since neither deserved a win but unfortunately thats now how mma works and yoel won)

[@flare1614]

I want what you're smoking

[@deadlyfistzzz7815]

Idk how ppl though rob beat him the second time, it was so clear for izzy. Ppl who said that usally never watched it live

[@jamaar_gobaat]

I’m with Lucas Tracy on this one. Adesanya is overrated. He’s kind of an on the day fighter. If he shows up you’re fucked. If he doesn’t, even strickland can dog walk him. Strickland couldn’t knock out sneako.

[@ethanfilch1621]

Rob over Izzy but Izzy still a goat. Max vs Izzy max all day. When the clapper comes Izzy is not standing there

[@genericname2821]

he lost to yoel and robert once

[@seanisnotjohn]

*Puts on Anthony Smith mask*
On paper It's Izzy, 5 title defences only man in the UFC to KO Pereira, beat Whittaker twice, 5 title defences

[@ashirnoor3429]

Max a bit overatted love him though

[@ajax7129]

Bro looked over all of times max lost lol

[@user-eo1se3xx2p]

Who's better all time max or Islam?

[@m3rl707]

Rn Max imo. Islam still got some work to do and Max isn't finished either. Time will tell.

[@Zaquary-t4m]

Max lost to Poirier

[@plp1969]

Submissions

[@yasinaltan6908]

Max got robbed in the 2 fight

[@constantintummescheit4314]

Romero got robbed same as Robert in the second fight, Izzy literally beat so many mid guys he had a close fight with Jared cannonier and a close fight with Marvin, his win against paulo didn’t age well I think max beat way better competition

[@juice7717]

the question is who’s better all time not who had the best prime years, izzy definitely better all time he’s top 2 185ers ever

[@kbmadison6140]

Um no

[@kbmadison6140]

Respectfully i think Max beat better comp and did it longer

[@juice7717]

@@kbmadison6140 izzy lapped his entire division, beat rob twice, beat pereira who’s the most dangerous striker in ufc and only lost when moving up in weight or to alex or sean, max lost to volk 3 times, lost to dustin, and lost to conor, izzy literally ran out of opponents and wanted the smoke with pereira because 185 was too easy for him, this isn’t even a debate

[@juice7717]

@@kbmadison6140 izzy was the most active champion in the ufc for he entire time he was champion, dude fought 3 times a year and beat the best competition every time he fought, he never got whooped 3 times by the same guy, and he literally beat his entire division, max could not, thats why izzy is greater all time

[@kbmadison6140]

@@juice7717 some of those fights were robberies or close asf tho against weaker comp than max, also Max beat Aldo 2x that alone shits on any of Izzy’s wins other than maybe Periera. Losing to Conor when ur young asf and losing a fight to dustin on a couple weeks notice doesnt hold as much weight as losing to Periera that early into his MMA career and getting dogwalked by Strickland. The volks losses are what make this an argument tho i can understand that