Our society and next generation is shifting back to modesty and traditionalism, this is a great step forward for our society, and our glorification of God! God Bless!
@@sofialjndr Our culture and society as a whole has been drifting towards degeneracy and immodesty, and it’s a great and refreshing thing to see more young people like yourself push back against this degenerate shift. Maybe I worded that first comment wrong, God Bless!
As a 25 year old man you are honestly a breath of fresh air. If only more were like you, but nevertheless you give hope there is modest young women still out there.
As a fellow minister's child, I relate so much to modesty becoming more integrated with my identity progressively as my personal faith developed and deepened, as opposed to having had that demand imposed by the parents. Really loved the link between kosmos and modesty, or respectful conduct. Brilliantly done with this explanation!! 🤍
This video helped me a lot! It even made me emotional. I've not been seeing myself as 'worthy' to dress beautifully or feminine. I dressed mostly for attention from others.
May God richly bless you for your dedication to helping other females. I can tell this was a spirit led and truth filled video because of your constant reference to scripture and the word of God. This has really helped me. Please continue with this series. God bless you🤍🤍🤍
As Christians, we shouldn't mix CHASTITY and modesty with each other. They are used as synonyms, but modesty is always dependent on cultural and historical (and political and economic) contexts and goes through many changes over time, while chastity contains more universal guidelines and fundamental principles which are meant for all people in all times. In life, it's not either heartline or hemline, but it's a balance between these two. At the best situation, modesty is for chastity what the body is for the soul, or what the (institution of) family is for relationships. Far too often, however, people forget the spirit of these customs and follow merely the letter of these "laws".
Exactly, u can walk in a bikini in the streets and still considered to be modest according to jesus because jesus doesn't actually have a say in that, it's cultural norms
@@omarmassoud6275 More likely, Jesus had much to say also on that topic but the NT does not contain those teachings - after all, He explained the whole Bible to His disciples and commanded them to obey everything He taught, but the NT contains hardly any of that interpretation. If nothing else, it's self-evident we are supposed to become imitators of Christ and take His yoke upon ourselves. But yes, under certain circumstances the bikini suit could be considered to be modest, yet that would be still far away from Christian chastity (as it is unchaste for Christian men to wear shorts, as a matter of fact). As Paul the Apostle says, everything is allowed but not all is beneficial or for good. We humans wear clothes for three reasons, I. to cover our nakedness, II. to protect ourselves from weather and dirt and mild injuries like scratches and burns, and III. to manifest our status and values and goals in physical world... And all these three aspects have become tools of sinning as much as they have simultaneously been tools of worshipping and glorifying. If your clothing does not give anyone a reason to remember and glorify our Father who is in Heaven, that is counted as a sin, for everyone has to be done for the glory of God.
Thank you sister in Christ Sofia for this video on modesty. This is a subject that generates controversy in Christian circles. (I also watched your other video on wearing the veil, another subject also controversial among Christians). You exude kindness and gentleness, you wear the veil well, your (modest) outfit also suits you well. In case you make another video, I suggest you make one on sanctification in the walk of a Christian (and those regardless of his age and function in the Church body of Christ). A brother in Christ who liked the content of your 2 videos (and who subscribes to your channel, a channel whose intention is to work for the glory of Our God and Our Messiah Jesus Christ) and this benevolent force and soothing that you exude on the screen. May God bless you, strengthen you and inspire you in your work sister in Christ Sofia in the mighty Name of Jesus Christ! Amen!
With the pants for women issue we have to look at where it all started. Once upon a time women never wore pants. Something changed and we have to look at why things changed. Just because it's made for women doesn't mean it's okay for women to wear it. We don't see men walking around on a day to day basis with skirts for men do we? If we did wouldn't that be strange to see them wearing that because we know that a skirt pattern was intended for women to wear even if it was altered for a man it's origin was intended for a woman. How do we think God feels about that. The reason why women have gotten away with wearing pants is because it has been normalized in American culture.
once upon a time, men actually did wear tunics that resembled dresses and skirts. Why was it okay then? because they were designed for men. Just like pants now are designed for women. In certain cultures, even today or not so long ago, there are also men who wear clothing that resemble skirts and it's not seen as feminine or cross dressing. Kilts come to mind. We are people of a place and time. It's important not to forget that! We live in the 21st century in Western culture where the traditional clothing we wear is different to years past and other places.
Someone speaking truth. I believe the Bible also talks about and condemns crossdressing. Many people in the west seems to not realize that men and women are currently and are still crossdressing today (Largely infact), a women wearing pants is cross dressing. No women wore pants for like 1000 years, alteast not when they were out in civil society. Pants only became really popular for Women to wear in the 1970's to 1980's because of 3 communist movies. Some people were calling it out back then, but apparently not enough. Pants for women are also made to dissolve the boundaries and differences between Men and Women, courtesy of the feminist movement. @LivingModestyNaturally Most if not everything you said is spot on. It's not hard to see, especially if you read the history, finding out where the common pieces of attire that are popular to wear today originated from.
@@sofialjndr This is a false dichotomy. First of all, you cannot use that as an example because the world was not industrialized at the time, and clothing was practical, the wardrobe was not anything near what we have today in the year 2024. I believe it was also before it was established that Women and Men should wear distinct clothing? To not cross dress? Which is in the Bible, meaning Men and Women should wear distinct clothing. Let's look at an example from 1700's-1900's (you can go even further back), as this is a better example. You see the old photographs, if you observe closely, you'll see patterns, no woman was wearing pants, why? Do you think it's because people knew that a Women wearing pants wasn't modest? That if a women worn pants it would also erode the boundaries and distinctions between Men and Women? Men weren't wearing tunics anymore aswell, they were usually in a suit, why? Do you think it's because people understood that Men should wear attire that accentuates male masculinity, and that Women should wear attire that accentuates female femininity? You can read the history, some people won't go far back, this is a topic in which I've received many convictions about. I understand you're a Protestant? Protestants are typically squishier with this topic, and will be legalistic but in the other way, which is, if something isn't specifically mentioned in the Bible, than it's ok to do. It's dangerous logic, which is why I'm not Protestant.
Something doesn't become modest because of where we are going. It doesn't matter where we are, a Christian woman should be covered so as not to temp men to lust. Yoga pants and short skirts are never modest.
I never argued that they were:) but I would say that where we are and who we are with does actually make a difference! For example, if I'm at home with my husband, I could practically wear nothing, and it would still be modest. If I was having a sleepover with some girlfriends, I could wear some pajamas, and that would be appropriate and modest. But I would never dare to dress like that out in public around strangers! that wouldn't be modest because the level of intimacy shared with strangers in that way would be inappropriate.
jeffrachelburkhalter3783, on point, that's also something I called out in the video. I made the point that, it makes zero sense that when we go to church, we dress modestly, but once we go to the beach women wear bikinis and guys take their shirts off. I agree 100%, short skirts and yoga pants are not modest for women under any circumstance, and it's getting tiring that even people within the faith don't agree with that.
There are tight pants, and there are loose modest pants. Just like there are tight dresses and loose modest dresses. Also, not once did I say it was modest to wear bikinis or yoga pants in this video.
@@wendymtzc I agree that pants are not modest for women either. The history is there, I believe that the west, even people within the faith have become, and still are very rebellious as to what the standards of attire our societies had +110 years ago. I've had the blessing of being able to travel and know different cultures, if people travel and get other perspectives, different cultural norms and mentality, we can compare and contrast, and an individual will see how far the west is gone when you read the history and see other nations. Anyhow, 100% agree, godspeed!
Your dad or your brother could give you a general indication, as men. Mary would be the gold standard, but I think you're right when you speak of varying cultural norms - I think St Paul does mention it in one of his letters, regarding head covering. But, in general, whatever can draw a man's gaze away from Jesus - that would be the thing that hinders him from paying closer attention to God. Maybe women can add to my incomplete response? Thank you for raising this important issue. God's blessings.
Good advice, except the varying cultural norms. That is fine for people outside of the church, we are not to judge them but as Paul said we should judge those who are in the church. There should be change in a person when they come to Jesus. Not like being assimilated and turned in to a clone, but there is some degree of conformity required. We should strive to conform to Christ and live by his standard. Not Mary, not the girl in this video, not this culture or that culture. We need to conform to Jesus culture. The way is narrow remember. Unfortunately, the girl in this video is misguided and leaning on her own understanding.
@@Psalms44-8 IDK I've already forgotten about all of this. It was hard to listen to and I wasn't even sure what her message was supposed to be. I probably should have just clicked a different video.
You probably should have. My video was to discuss what reasons Paul gives to support the practice of headcovering. I know that I am not all knowing, but the amount of prayer and Bible research that I did, I think I gave a pretty clear description of why Paul promotes headcovering:) Even if this video wasn't for you, thank you for watching and engaging with my content! It all helps.
So, I'm going to explain what has happened. Our societies, even in the west used to practice modesty, some countries still do, but definitely not the U.S and many European countries. We're living during the age of vanity and lust. I'm going to use Qatar as an example because it's what a normal society used to look like, people today place too much emphasis on fashion and vanity, how about we try to dress humbly? Dress in a God pleasing manner? I'm going to call you out on this one Sofia, not because I want to bash you, but because you and other people in this comment section need to hear it. So, it shouldn't be surprising that our societies (especially in the West) are very far gone, with that, people don't actually know what the word "modesty" means, even your explanation in the video was vague in certain areas, causing confusion and leaving more questions than answers. Anyhow, regarding societal decay, for anyone that doesn't believe me, google early 1900's photographs, people used to dress very differently, no women was wearing yoga leggings or short shorts, men weren't wearing short shorts or tank tops, degeneracy in attire was not common. Afterwards search up "Mall in Qatar" see the video, of course, women in the west weren't wearing hijabs in the early 1900's, but it isn't different from how societies in the West used to practice modesty in the early as 1900's. We're called to be apart from the world, not a part of it, in the sense that we shouldn't be dressing to look like the secular world, but to dress in a manner in which we are to profess the faith. If we're dressing like the secular world, especially women, sorry to tell you all, but you're doing it wrong. The secular world currently does not dress to please God, the fashion is in accordance to please the world. This is a very hot topic that people within Christianity, and many people within the faith seem to not agree which is a very bad thing (possibly has something to do with the 45K denominations). You also mentioned that going to the beach has different modesty than going to church?? This is a very common point, and one I'm now going to take the time to address. It makes completely zero sense to go to church in a dress, but once we go to the beach, men take off their shirts (in some cases wear speedos) and women wear bikinis or one-piece bathing suits for 100's of strangers, whom some no doubt we either tempt. Yes, they make swim dresses still, you can find them online, they're very modest, and yes men, you don't have to take off your shirt at the beach, you also don't need to wear speedos, and you shouldn't. The secular world has lied and keeps lying to people, especially to people within the faith (I can understand the protestants are more squishy on this topic, more so than the Orthodox and Catholic Church). You also said there's nothing wrong with "wanting to look nice"? What does this mean? The interpretations can be vast, are we talking about combing hair and basic hygiene? Or are we talking about Instagram fashion and a cake layer make up? You also said there aren't explicit rules mention in the Bible regarding attire, the way you delivered that statement infers that we can be more lenient? This is very dangerous logic, I'd say that if the Bible doesn't explicitly mention something than we have to be more cautious than ever, ready to use God given knowledge and discernment from the Holy Spirit to make judgements regarding between what is to be classified as appropriate attire and what is to be classified as inappropriate attire. Some of the comments you showed at the beginning of the video were not off, they infact had a point, and many people within the faith will easily say "it's a heart issue" in a vague way to dismiss valid claims regarding modesty. The standards for what proper are 600ft below the earth's crust, yes, even within the faith. There isn't and shouldn't be anything wrong with starting to introduce standards within the faith and to call out immodest pieces of attire for both Men and Women. In the video you also addressed the standards of a church you went to as "really high", you kept it vague, so I don't know what "really high means", standards are not something we should demonize, it's something that a civil society should have. Even if people don't know Christ yet, placing the standards and explaining to secular individuals why these standards are in place can also be a thing that brings people closer to Christ. Having no standards, is the reason why we're living in a societal decaying, where people even within the faith believe that Instagram/Tik Tok fashion is fashion that could please God. So demonizing legalism isn't something we should be doing either, as it's very clear that many people especially within the west and within the faith are very rebellious and become resentful when others within the faith rightfully condemn immodest attire such as yoga leggings, short shorts, tank tops, and the type of bathing suits people wear to the beach etc. Rules are good, and if we can start to reintroduce or make new rules that are made with the intention to glorify God, even if it appears "legalistic" there shouldn't be anything wrong with that.
Hey, thanks for finding my video thought-provoking enough for such a considered response! I'd like to reply to a couple of points you made and things you may have misunderstood about my stance on things. 1) I actually wholeheartedly agree that we should be set apart from the world. In fact, I believe that we should stand out amongst the rest. For a lot of people, their two first assumptions are to think that means we should a) all look like monks or nuns and cover head to toe wearing nothing but plain clothes looking like strange homeschooled kids, or b) dress to the nines all the time as if we are from a decade long gone or attending a formal event. Neither of these actually has to be true. In fact, as you've mentioned, the Western world has become so degenerate that wearing underclothes in public is considered okay. If someone were to dress "normally" all the time, covering their nakedness and dressed appropriately for each occasion, then they would stand out quite a lot already! 2) Yes, I stand by what I said when I mentioned that dressing to go to the beach is going to look differently than dressing to go to church. I think you (and others) are assuming that I mean "different levels" of modesty. Im not sure why? It's a completely different occasion with different purposes and for that reason the way we dress for that occasion and that purpose will look different than when we dress at other times. It was also really interesting to me that you immediately thought I meant it was okay to wear speedos and bikinis to the beach, although I never mentioned anything of the sort. I suppose I could have been more clear about that, although I thought it was pretty common sense. A big point I was trying to make in this video was that dressing modestly includes dressing appropriately for each occasion. Our God is a God of order and design, and therefore, we should try to emulate that! That's why im terribly against wearing yoga pants for anything other than actually working out privately. Im against wearing underwear out in public at any time. That includes "clothing" that covers as much as underwear. It's also why I think going out in pajamas is also immodest. BUT for that same reason, what we wear to the beach is not appropriate to wear to church. Church is of much higher reverence, and we should have higher standards and dress accordingly. 3) Im being pretty vauge about the EXACT thing you should wear to church and using phrases like "high standards" because im trying to be considerate of everyone's situation. Not every girl watching this is going to have a really nice dress for church or the money to buy one. For each individual person, it is okay for them to wear their "Sunday's best," and that may be a little different person to person depending on their situation. 4) No, there really aren't explicit or detailed rules in the Bible about what we need to wear. That's just the truth, and because this is a video about modesty from a christian and biblical perspective, it made sense to mention that fact. That does not mean that we can wear whatever we want. That's why I went on to mention the guidelines that we DO get and understand from the Bible and christian tradition. If I did mean that ,because of this fact, we could wear what we want, then the video would not be more than a minute long and utterly unnecessary. 5) I will always protest against legalism because it is dangerous. The truth is that claiming in the name of God or Christianity that something is a sin according to the Bible, when it is, in fact, not, is a terrible thing to do. I have seen many people leave Christianity because they have witnessed these kinds of lies. It has done more damage than it ever has done good, and it should not be tolerated. Having rules for your church does not equal legalism. I think you have that confused. In the church I was raised in, for example, if you were a young woman in a choir or playing an instrument, you were required to wear a skirt that covered the knees. That's a RULE that my church had, and it's reasonable. However, they did not go around preaching that the Bible says its a sin to wear pants. I hope this can clear a couple of things up! There's always so much to say about these topics, and it's easy to misunderstand people or to misspeak, and I hope that's not what Im doing! God bless x
@@sofialjndr Thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment, I appreciate it! I'd also like to clarify a few things I have said in my previous comment aswell as adding to what we still both disagree on for any people reading the comments. I'm going to reply in a similar format as to your previous comment: (PART 1 of 2) 1) We both agree that we have to be set apart from the world, that is good. Where we seem to still disagree is in the context to which we're to wear specific attire. So, I believe firmly in human tradition, alot of individuals have tradition pertaining to either their religion or culture. So, there are two distinctions here, and I'm going to compare and contrast 2 societies, one that features eroding tradition and one which is striving to preserve it. I'm going to use the United States and Qatar as examples, as these countries and their histories pertaining to how modesty was practiced was not so different at some point in time. So it's no mystery, as I've said, you go back and look at photographs and videos of how Men and Women dressed in the U.S, there was absolutely no man wearing short shorts, no women wearing pants, and no compressed tight clothing, why? Were people striving to show off gains or body parts? No, as I've stated in my previous comment, the attire made at the time had the goal to accentuate Male masculinity and to accentuate Female femineity. In another comment in this video, I described many events that have happened in the 20th century that have eroded the boundaries/distinctions between Men and Women. The Bible talks about and explicitly condemns crossdressing (Deuteronomy 22:5), I didn't see it mentioned in your video and this is a very important point that is "conveniently" left out of videos regarding Male and Female attire. Alot of movements including the feminist movement have popularized attire commonly used by males, to be used for women (suits, pants, unisex attire), cross dressing has become unbelievably common, and as we are seeing in real time, the boundaries and distinctions between the clothing Men and Women should wear have been erased in these very progressive times, Men dress like Women and Women dress like Men. In Qatar, Males and Female still have distinct clothing, and modest at that. No short shorts, no Women is wearing pants or leggings, no man is wearing short shorts or tank tops, and people typically dress the same whenever they go (I'm going to exclude foreigners, they aren't classified as Qatarians). You might say "well, this is how Islam does it", our society (we both live in the U.S if I'm not wrong) back in the early 1900's used to do the exact same thing, granted, women weren't wearing hijabs, but Men and Women both had distinct clothing that was made with the intention to distinguish and accentuate the Masculinity of Men and the Femininity of Women in a modest manner, the attire didn't seek to erode the boundaries or push the level of degeneracy we see today. I am going to develop more upon the occasion in the later point below. 2) This is where we somewhat disagree, and so have other people in this comment section below. It makes zero sense that when we go to church, we wear a suit (males) or a dress (females), but once we go to the beach we wear bikini's, speedos, just swimming trunks with no shirts, or one-piece bathing suits. You condemned speedos and bikini's, but not swimming trunks (men have their shirts removed, it's ok to wear the trunks with a swimming shirt, Men don't have to take of their shirts) or one-piece bathing suits, which are bot modest either, I believe we disagree, you believe one-piece bathing suits and a man without a shirt and wearing just swimming trucks is modest? In a furth comment below I also offered alternatives, swim dresses for Women (yes, they still make them, for anyone else reading you can buy them online) and Men can wear swim shirts (yes, they don't need to be compressed either, and they shouldn't be). You also mentioned it's common sense, we obviously disagree here, and many people within the Christian faith, especially people who are young in their faith, might not explicitly know that the beach wear I listed isn't modest, so it's always good and very important to highlight these points as yes, it's not quite obvious to many individuals, especially Christian fresh from the secular world. To highlight your last paragraph, even occasions to which we are supposed to dress, can and are very distorted since they are mostly set by the secular world currently and not by people within the faith, so when it comes to dressing for the occasion, if us Christians are to go to the beach, the way we dress for that occasion should not at all emulate the secular world, but rather represent our faith in a God honoring way. This is a common problem that us Christians have to highlight more within the faith, than if we are to represent God in a God honoring way, we should not be trying to emulate the secular world, as the secular world is not trying to promote fashion that is pleasing for God in many areas. The occasions and standards the secular world has for occasions is not something we should try to emulate, with the most jarring example being the beach as I have described. In your response we both condemned the same clothing, with the exception being that you seem to not agree that pants for women, one-piece bathing suits or shirts off with just swimming trunks is immodest. 3) Again, nothing wrong with that, but during these times, it's good to call out things that are wrong, especially in a secular world that largely promotes alot of degenerate clothing. I agree, not everyone may have the money for a "nice" dress, God understands our situations. As for people in the U.S (since your TH-cam channel is a NA based channel) I understand there is poverty in the U.S, but for the majority of people living in the U.S, people can definitely buy modest clothing at a reasonable price, doesn't have to be something flashy and expensive, it can be something humble and neat, maybe from a second hand store or borrowed? Majority of the Individuals in the U.S blow off more money than we realize on things we don't need (eating out too much, unnecessary subscriptions, too many cosmetics, more clothing/food than we need, etc, an overabundance, many examples), it's common but not ok, it's because we live in a very materialistic culture. If we can make sacrifices such as for example, instead of eating out, we use that money to buy a dress to honor God, God will appreciate it, and if someone really can't afford anything modest, God is also very understanding of our situations and hardships. So yes, it's largely depending on the situation, so we agree, just needed to highlight this point, not specifically for you, but for any general reader. Continued in comment below...
@@sofialjndr Continued... (PART 2 of 2) 4) Back to this, in the first point I mentioned crossdressing, a conveniently/commonly left out point in many videos regarding modesty/attire, and no, I'm not accusing you of anything specific, I'm saying this more generally because it's something I've notice that is done more so often, and it's a very important point that people either don't know about, or don't address on purpose especially when it comes to addressing the topic of modesty. As I have stated, over the past century, especially in the west, crossdressing has become very common practice, a practice that was talked about and condemned in the Bible (Deuteronomy 22:5). To reiterate, may movements and ideologies have encouraged crossdressing, from 3 revolutionary communist films in the 60's that popularized jeans for both men and women, to Hollywood and public figures (musicians/artist) promoting crossdressing attire, to the feminist movement in the late 50's to the late 80's encouraging radical attire never seen before in history that would also be classified as crossdressing since it severed to eroded the distinctions and boundaries between Men and Women. Your position is a dangerous one to take, as I will also reiterate the same point from my last comment, if something isn't explicitly mentioned in the Bible, then we should exercise more caution and righteous judgment/knowledge/wisdom of the Holy Spirit to be able to discern between what is appropriate attire, and what could be inappropriate attire. There are alot of things not mentioned in the Bible, perhaps intentionally, it's no excuse to be lenient in many cases. The Bible might not explicitly mention something, it doesn't directly mention phones or the internet, does that mean it's ok to use those two for nefarious reasons? No. When we read the Bible, we get to know God, we also get insight into how God possibly feels about certain things we do, we also have the wisdom of the Holy Spirit to discern between what's right and wrong, and the convictions I have received, and that many other people have received, shouldn't be dismissed just because "it's not explicitly mentioned in the Bible", that would be a dangerous path and logic to adopt. 5) I was using the word legalism in a secular context, so my bad if I didn't get the point across clearly, I'm actually going to exchange that term for the words "standards" or "practices". Standards are at times enforced through rules, as I have stated, rules aren't bad, and the implementation of certain rules (regarding modesty, back to Qatar example, they do it, Modesty isn't really an issue there, it's also a flourishing as it encourages a family friendly environment and less degenerate society) within a society with the goal to glorify God. It's something we're encouraged to do (in our cases we can vote for it), "Because government is instituted by God as His “minister... for good” (Romans 13:3-4), it functions best when leaders honor and obey Him" and "(Deuteronomy 4:8) New International Version 8 And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws as this body of laws I am setting before you today?" If people leave the faith because they couldn't wear a pair of joga leggings to church, then that is an actual issue of the heart involving indifference and pride, and it's nobody else's fault or choice than that of the individual who made the choice to leave God. So, with the point regarding crossdressing, and immodesty, it seems pants are immodest for women (and many women have received these convictions within the faith), especially since they might only not tempt other individuals to sin, but can also be an abomination in Gods eyes since pants for women (women didn't wear pants for a long time up until 5 minutes ago) were made and popularized with the intention to erode the distinctions and boundaries between Men and Women. This all goes back to exercising caution and discernment, and I am also one of the individuals who have received these same convictions along with several others regarding modesty. I hope I was also able to provide some clarity to points I might have been too vague on! Again, I appreciate you for taking the time to respond to my comment, these dialogues have been enjoyable, if it's in your plan, I would appreciate greatly appreciate a response! Godspeed! (END) Had to split it in 2 since TH-cam thought it was too long for 1 comment
@Battlefield1918 That definitely helped clear things up, and i believe we may agree on more than you think! I, too, believe strongly in both cultural and christian traditions, as well as standards and rules. I think that may actually be why we disagree quite a bit on what constitutes as cross dressing. (I'll touch a little more on that soon) I want it to be clear to anyone reading this that I am firmly against cross dressing and believe that yes, it is explicitly condemned in the Bible! I haven't rewatched my video in a while and I cant remember if I mentioned much about cross dressing but, I do think its going a bit too far to assume that those who dont dedicate time to the subject in their video are doing it nefariously or dont have a stance on it. The reason I wouldn't have dedicated much time to it in the first place is because this video is already a video dedicated specifically to women. The majority of my returning viewers and subscribers are girls and women who are actively trying to align with the feminine nature God has created them with. Of course, cross dressing and other perverted expressions of gender identity are becoming only more prevalent each day. A dedicated video to the subject someday may be a good idea. I'll have to plan for it! As for what specifically constitutes as cross dressing I think may be what we disagree on. The interesting thing is that I think we come to different conclusions while having a very similar, if not the same, underlying philosophy behind it. It is because i believe strongly in human cultural traditions that i believe women wearing pants is not cross dressing. Let me explain: I'll be using heels as an example. High heels are considered one of the most feminine items out there in Western society. They are so closely associated with women that any young person might assume they were invented for women, but this is not the case. The first high heels were made for male persian soldiers in the 10th century. The heel allowed them to lock their feet in their stirrups. It actually hasnt been until recently that men wearing heels has been seen as a feminine thing. My husband owns a vintage pair of cuban heeled boots that were passed down to him from only three generations ago. However, if I were to see a man walking down the street in high heeled shoes today i would instinctively assume he is trying to dress more femininly and I would assume that because of our more modern cultural norms. For that reason, I would discourage men from wearing high heels, but i wouldn't call a woman a cross dresser for wearing them. Women's jeans have had a very similar transition. Our American blue jeans were designed to be practical work wear. The blue color was even specifically preferred to hide dirt when worn by laborers like miners or ranchers. Of course, those doing these jobs were men. However, during the war, when the women had to temporarily help by taking over some tougher jobs, women often reached for their husbands' durable jeans. After the war, when men came back, women still found they reached for them when doing yard or farm work. (This is why you often see old photos of women wearing jeans with a huge cuff. They had to be rolled up to fit) Slowly they became a casual and practical option of clothing for ladies but, because we didnt want women wearing mens clothing, jeans designed to fit women specifically were designed! Blue jeans have a strong place in American tradition for both men and women. I personally own one pair of blue jeans and I wear them when we visit my father-in-law's farm or when the weather get really cold. No one seeing me in my blue jeans assumes Im trying to dress more masculine. Especially because im wearing them at the appropriate times. Now, I dont mean to say that all women everywhere should start wearing jeans, but if you're an american woman, jeans are not considered cross dressing in your culture. I think we all would benefit from getting closer to our roots and learning from those who have gone before us. It's a beautiful thing to research your cultural background and connect with it in practice. I love wearing my blue jeans. I love wearing my prarie dresses with cowboy boots. I love it because they both look and make me feel feminine and have a connection to my Texan roots. I can also research and learn from other cultures, but i have no obligation to adopt their traditons towards the way i dress. No one looks at me in my blue jeans, long plaited hair with a bow, feminine floral top, and assumes im cross dressing in any western country. Your point about jeans being inmodest because they've "been around for five minutes" is both incorrect and wouldn't hold up when with any other piece of clothing. You would have to then admit that women wearing high heels is cross dressing because they have a very similar history. An extremely simplified way of explaining my process towards dressing modestly would be: The word of God > Earthly Authority (parents, dress code requirements) > Cultural Traditons This is another thing, I have no problem with local rules and standards. You should listen to how your parents tell you to dress. You should follow the dress code that schools, social clubs, churches, or whatever else places for you. You should do that because obeying authority is biblical and also because order is a huge part of modesty. The issue when making a video about how you ought to dress is that the authority and cultural traditions aspects will change from person to person. Even in America, every state has its own history. That being said, transcendent truths will often find themselves in cultures all over the world, so you will find similarities among many traditions. I won't tell people they ought to dress according to Qatar's standards because not everyone has that tradition or culture. I will, however, share the transcendent truths that christians should follow no matter where you are.
Hi Sofia, I have a question. I thought you mentioned later in your video that your parents were pastors! I hope I have not misunderstood. Do you accept St. Paul’s admonition about women being pastors? Respectfully, F. Tonelli
Hi, when I say that, I really mean my father is a pastor, and my mother is a pastor's wife! My mother in no way "pastors" but does do so much work involved in the ministry of course. I am of the belief that only men are called to be Pastors.
Madam do you think your preaching is correct, yoga pants are immodest for church but in special occasion its modest What teaching is this If yoga pants immodest for church, then how it is modest of other occasion Is a church is a holy place, or we are a holy place every individual are the church of god You preaching is totally against bible , Then pants, you said woman pabts and boy pants are different its totally wrong its your opinion in Jesus time, woman wear full length skirt, boys wear half lenth dress, to make difference if a man want to wear a, womans full length dress with a liitle bit of difference ,its still a womans dress ,in a gods point of view if a man wear a skirt with a little bit of different , does church would allow him to enter its also a abomination first your view of thing is wrong madam wear everywhere what you wear in church, because you are a church
The video has alot of faults in logic. She also forgot to mention crossdressing, which the Bible talks about, and condemns, a woman wearing pants is crossdressing. Everything you said is 100% on point, and I agree 1000% that what we wear at church, we should wear everywhere, everyone used to do it for 100's of years, all of a sudden, we stopped doing it 5 seconds ago and saying this statement again is controversial? Very rebellious and spiritually dangerous times we're living in. Anyhow, Godspeed!
Thank you for your input. Can I ask why you decided not to scroll past and instead actually click on the video when you believe that it was in-modest content?
@@sofialjndr Dont worry Sofia. As a man I can tell you that he was probably aroused by his fantasy or is a slave of pornography. Your thumbnail was showing a knee, there is nothing wrong with it... xD. Keep doing your work. Much love.
a modern christian term to describe a theological idea doesn't have to be found exactly how we use it today in the Bible for it to be biblically based, actually. The word trinity is not found in the Bible, and yet we consider it to be biblical. In fact, it is so important to the christian faith that it is included in every christian creed.
@@sofialjndr one of the most important christians creeds that are found clearly in the bible is genocide and barbarically slaughtering children (samule 15:3) (deut 20:10-18) (book of joshua)
@@sofialjndr besides biblical modesty is just modesty standards in europe, like 100 years ago in europe women used to cover more and cover their heads, now ur not covering ur head amd we can see all ur body curves cuz the dresses are tight
You Claim that dressing should be for the occasion. Example of yoga pants to church, immodest not just because they are tight, but because they do not fit the occasion. I disagree with this. Jesus told us to not worry about how we dress. So there is no "occasion". The Bible teaches about food as an example. It is okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols, but if your brethren are weaker in their faith, and are upset by the idea of eating the meat... Then we as Christians should avoid eating the meat when those brethren are with us. That's because we do not want to do anything that could cause our brethren to stumble. Like another commenter here politely tried to remind you. The way a person dresses can cause brethren to stumble. Not just women, but also men. Women can stumble at the sight of a handsome man. Just the same as a woman dressing certain ways can cause some men to stumble. Therefore you should deny yourself, take up your cross daily, and follow Jesus. Jesus can come at any time, so why not be ready? What does going to the beach have to do with clothing? I have seen Amish women and men at the beach and they do not dress for the occasion. They still wear their normal clothes, appropriate dresses, pants and shirts, hats and bonnets. Why use going to the beach as a chance to wear a bikini? Woman, you speak from what authority? What are your credentials? What do you think about the Bible stating that women should not lead the church? You spoke a lot of nakedness. This is a fun fact I heard, on the topic of nakedness, did you know about Noah's nakedness? Which son was it, was it Ham who uncovered his fathers nakedness? Is that a polite way of saying that he had incest with his own mother? Getting his own mother pregnant? What do you think of the Seventh Day Adventists? I heard Doug Batchelor preach about Adam and Eve were originally clothed in light. Then when they ate of the wrong tree, their garments of light vanished and they realized they were naked. What do you think about that? Do you think that your sermon and teachings in this video are just you leaning on your own understanding? As J Warner Wallace often says, it is like you have thrown your dart at the wall and then drawn the bullseye around your dart. You instead should try realizing the bullseye God created and then try to hit the target. Have you attended seminary? Are you an ordained minister? Are you a doctor?
Your logic about "how to dress" (which is how you chose to paraphrase Matthew 6:28) would apply to immodest clothing too. One could say I can dress immodestly because Jesus says not to worry about clothes. But the verse must be read in context, and the topic at that point in Matthew 6 is trusting God with our needs and the future, not modesty. Personally, I'm not as tempted with scantly-clad women at the beach as I am when they are immodestly dressed elsewhere. So it seems occasion matters to me. I'm not condoning bikinis. But would you wear a shirt on the beach? If not, why are you heaping burdens on that you yourself do not lift? Disclaimer for girls reading: I do believe men are more prone to lust of the eyes than women, so please keep that in mind. Man, by what authority do you speak? And does making a video on a topic amount to teaching in the church? As for Ham, I don't know what you're trying to imply, Ham gossiped about Noah for which reason Noah pronounced a curse. SDA are simply wrong about some things (most notably the Catholic Church, their interpretation of Daniel, sabbath, and what they call "soul sleep"). In addition to that, there are also even more heretical sects of SDA (that misunderstand the sonship of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, for example). As for the claim that Adam and Eve were clothed with light before the fall, where does that come from? From what I know about Genesis, it seems to me they were naked before the fall, just that it wasn't a problem for them (see considering Genesis 2:25 and Genesis 3:7). See, before the fall, they did not suffer concupiscence like we do (cf James 1:12-15) I am surprised that the girl in this video understands some things about modesty that you do not (that it is about propriety and humility, whereas you think it is only about nakedness), so I would venture to guess it's not just her own understanding. However, Sofia, I would encourage you to consider that modesty is about temptation as well, and the effect the female body has on men (not to excuse us, but not to excuse women either - cf Ezekiel 33:8, 1 Corinthians 8). And this is for both: 1 Timothy 2:9-10 Have you attended a Catholic seminary? Are you a priest? Are you a theologian?
@@someman7 Yes I wear a shirt and pants at the beach. There is nothing special about the beach to me. Just because there is sand and water, doesn't mean I need to get naked. When I was a young man, I didn't know any better and gave in to peer pressure to be cool. But I noticed women and men would look at me, and approach me sometimes. So, when I was a child I thought like a child but then I matured and ripened, now I don't undress for the beach, its like worshiping a false idol. I hate the beach, I hate this world and it is nothing to me. I am not sure what the goal of this video is. It was hard to follow along and understand the purpose of this video existing. So, it seemed to me like this girl was trying to justify her actions. Perhaps I misunderstood her intent. It seemed more like it was about what she wanted. With no or little concern to others. I completely disagree with you that men are more tempted than women. What an ignorant and immature, unripe view you have! About Adam and Eve and clothed in light, I believe that there is mention in at least one of the Psalms, but I forget which. Mentioning how God clothes himself in light. So then Adam, being created in the likeness of God, could have been likewise clothed in light. For the record, I am not SDA and agree their teachings are often wrong, they are works based Judaizers at best. However, I can listen to their preaching and filter out the bad bits. I do enjoy listening to some SDA preaching, they are generally intelligent people, but they get so much wrong. My theology is mostly Lutheran. Sorry when I mentioned Ham, it was just an off topic thing. I only mentioned it because she had been going on about different was nakedness is talked about in the Bible. Yet she didn't mention that it can also refer to sex. For example, when Ham uncovered his fathers nakedness
Hi! I think you may have misunderstood when I was talking about dressing up according to the occasion. If you'd have been paying attention, you might have noticed that I said we can not excuse any way of dressing as being modest, even if it's what is acceptable in our culture. When I said that if what you wear to the beach is modest, I was not referring to a bikini! I was picturing a modest fully covered outfit, or maybe some shorts and a tee shirt. It probably would have been smart of me to put photos of that as examples when I mentioned it, but I didn't feel comfortable sharing people's pictures dressed like that. What I was saying with that, is that it's not appropriate to wear clothes that are designed for working out, or going to the beach to church. Kind of like it wouldn't be appropriate to wear pajamas to church, even if they fully cover you.
@someman7 Thank you for the advice! I actually recorded a clip talking about the temptation side of things and ultimately decided to cut it out because I thought I didn't get the point across very accurately or clearly. Now I see it may have been wiser to re-record that part, but I'm glad I learned from my mistake!
Our society and next generation is shifting back to modesty and traditionalism, this is a great step forward for our society, and our glorification of God! God Bless!
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@@sofialjndr Our culture and society as a whole has been drifting towards degeneracy and immodesty, and it’s a great and refreshing thing to see more young people like yourself push back against this degenerate shift. Maybe I worded that first comment wrong, God Bless!
As a 25 year old man you are honestly a breath of fresh air. If only more were like you, but nevertheless you give hope there is modest young women still out there.
As a fellow minister's child, I relate so much to modesty becoming more integrated with my identity progressively as my personal faith developed and deepened, as opposed to having had that demand imposed by the parents. Really loved the link between kosmos and modesty, or respectful conduct. Brilliantly done with this explanation!! 🤍
This video helped me a lot! It even made me emotional. I've not been seeing myself as 'worthy' to dress beautifully or feminine. I dressed mostly for attention from others.
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Because she shows so much skin and TH-cam is full of thirsty subscribers?
I was 168. She has a refreshing take on the conversation
You're so sweet! thank you 🫶
May God richly bless you for your dedication to helping other females. I can tell this was a spirit led and truth filled video because of your constant reference to scripture and the word of God. This has really helped me. Please continue with this series. God bless you🤍🤍🤍
wow, thank you 🫶 God bless you
Thanks for doing what u are doing.
You’re so inspiring, the elegance in the way you speak even portrays your modesty. I pray that I too can get to that stage one day… God bless you💗
You are so sweet 🤍 thank you for your kind words.
A breath of fresh air. 👏👏👏
Loved your message and perfect for the times were living in.....
Please make more videos. ❤
Wow. This is such great video. thankyou for this!
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As Christians, we shouldn't mix CHASTITY and modesty with each other. They are used as synonyms, but modesty is always dependent on cultural and historical (and political and economic) contexts and goes through many changes over time, while chastity contains more universal guidelines and fundamental principles which are meant for all people in all times. In life, it's not either heartline or hemline, but it's a balance between these two. At the best situation, modesty is for chastity what the body is for the soul, or what the (institution of) family is for relationships. Far too often, however, people forget the spirit of these customs and follow merely the letter of these "laws".
very well put!
Exactly, u can walk in a bikini in the streets and still considered to be modest according to jesus because jesus doesn't actually have a say in that, it's cultural norms
@@omarmassoud6275 More likely, Jesus had much to say also on that topic but the NT does not contain those teachings - after all, He explained the whole Bible to His disciples and commanded them to obey everything He taught, but the NT contains hardly any of that interpretation. If nothing else, it's self-evident we are supposed to become imitators of Christ and take His yoke upon ourselves.
But yes, under certain circumstances the bikini suit could be considered to be modest, yet that would be still far away from Christian chastity (as it is unchaste for Christian men to wear shorts, as a matter of fact). As Paul the Apostle says, everything is allowed but not all is beneficial or for good.
We humans wear clothes for three reasons, I. to cover our nakedness, II. to protect ourselves from weather and dirt and mild injuries like scratches and burns, and III. to manifest our status and values and goals in physical world... And all these three aspects have become tools of sinning as much as they have simultaneously been tools of worshipping and glorifying. If your clothing does not give anyone a reason to remember and glorify our Father who is in Heaven, that is counted as a sin, for everyone has to be done for the glory of God.
Thank you sister in Christ Sofia for this video on modesty. This is a subject that generates controversy in Christian circles. (I also watched your other video on wearing the veil, another subject also controversial among Christians). You exude kindness and gentleness, you wear the veil well, your (modest) outfit also suits you well. In case you make another video, I suggest you make one on sanctification in the walk of a Christian (and those regardless of his age and function in the Church body of Christ).
A brother in Christ who liked the content of your 2 videos (and who subscribes to your channel, a channel whose intention is to work for the glory of Our God and Our Messiah Jesus Christ) and this benevolent force and soothing that you exude on the screen. May God bless you, strengthen you and inspire you in your work sister in Christ Sofia in the mighty Name of Jesus Christ! Amen!
sofia, thank you for this video! you're so sweet 🥹. Deus seja contigo. 💐
I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊 🫶 God bless you
Fantastic video 🎉
With the pants for women issue we have to look at where it all started. Once upon a time women never wore pants. Something changed and we have to look at why things changed. Just because it's made for women doesn't mean it's okay for women to wear it. We don't see men walking around on a day to day basis with skirts for men do we? If we did wouldn't that be strange to see them wearing that because we know that a skirt pattern was intended for women to wear even if it was altered for a man it's origin was intended for a woman. How do we think God feels about that. The reason why women have gotten away with wearing pants is because it has been normalized in American culture.
once upon a time, men actually did wear tunics that resembled dresses and skirts. Why was it okay then? because they were designed for men. Just like pants now are designed for women.
In certain cultures, even today or not so long ago, there are also men who wear clothing that resemble skirts and it's not seen as feminine or cross dressing. Kilts come to mind.
We are people of a place and time. It's important not to forget that! We live in the 21st century in Western culture where the traditional clothing we wear is different to years past and other places.
Someone speaking truth. I believe the Bible also talks about and condemns crossdressing. Many people in the west seems to not realize that men and women are currently and are still crossdressing today (Largely infact), a women wearing pants is cross dressing. No women wore pants for like 1000 years, alteast not when they were out in civil society. Pants only became really popular for Women to wear in the 1970's to 1980's because of 3 communist movies. Some people were calling it out back then, but apparently not enough. Pants for women are also made to dissolve the boundaries and differences between Men and Women, courtesy of the feminist movement.
@LivingModestyNaturally Most if not everything you said is spot on. It's not hard to see, especially if you read the history, finding out where the common pieces of attire that are popular to wear today originated from.
@@sofialjndr This is a false dichotomy. First of all, you cannot use that as an example because the world was not industrialized at the time, and clothing was practical, the wardrobe was not anything near what we have today in the year 2024. I believe it was also before it was established that Women and Men should wear distinct clothing? To not cross dress? Which is in the Bible, meaning Men and Women should wear distinct clothing.
Let's look at an example from 1700's-1900's (you can go even further back), as this is a better example. You see the old photographs, if you observe closely, you'll see patterns, no woman was wearing pants, why? Do you think it's because people knew that a Women wearing pants wasn't modest? That if a women worn pants it would also erode the boundaries and distinctions between Men and Women? Men weren't wearing tunics anymore aswell, they were usually in a suit, why? Do you think it's because people understood that Men should wear attire that accentuates male masculinity, and that Women should wear attire that accentuates female femininity? You can read the history, some people won't go far back, this is a topic in which I've received many convictions about.
I understand you're a Protestant? Protestants are typically squishier with this topic, and will be legalistic but in the other way, which is, if something isn't specifically mentioned in the Bible, than it's ok to do. It's dangerous logic, which is why I'm not Protestant.
Something doesn't become modest because of where we are going. It doesn't matter where we are, a Christian woman should be covered so as not to temp men to lust. Yoga pants and short skirts are never modest.
I never argued that they were:) but I would say that where we are and who we are with does actually make a difference!
For example, if I'm at home with my husband, I could practically wear nothing, and it would still be modest. If I was having a sleepover with some girlfriends, I could wear some pajamas, and that would be appropriate and modest. But I would never dare to dress like that out in public around strangers! that wouldn't be modest because the level of intimacy shared with strangers in that way would be inappropriate.
jeffrachelburkhalter3783, on point, that's also something I called out in the video. I made the point that, it makes zero sense that when we go to church, we dress modestly, but once we go to the beach women wear bikinis and guys take their shirts off. I agree 100%, short skirts and yoga pants are not modest for women under any circumstance, and it's getting tiring that even people within the faith don't agree with that.
@@Battlefield1918 Amen.
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May I ask to what particular church you're a part of?
Pants for women are just more tight fitting 🙄 so not very modest… please stop teaching all this nonsense that its ok to wear yoga pants or bikinis
There are tight pants, and there are loose modest pants. Just like there are tight dresses and loose modest dresses. Also, not once did I say it was modest to wear bikinis or yoga pants in this video.
@@sofialjndr you may have not spelled it out but you certainly implied that it was ok to wear those
@@wendymtzc The video has alot of faults in logic, she is also protestant, which protestants are typically squishier with this topic.
@@wendymtzc I agree that pants are not modest for women either. The history is there, I believe that the west, even people within the faith have become, and still are very rebellious as to what the standards of attire our societies had +110 years ago. I've had the blessing of being able to travel and know different cultures, if people travel and get other perspectives, different cultural norms and mentality, we can compare and contrast, and an individual will see how far the west is gone when you read the history and see other nations. Anyhow, 100% agree, godspeed!
Your dad or your brother could give you a general indication, as men. Mary would be the gold standard, but I think you're right when you speak of varying cultural norms - I think St Paul does mention it in one of his letters, regarding head covering. But, in general, whatever can draw a man's gaze away from Jesus - that would be the thing that hinders him from paying closer attention to God.
Maybe women can add to my incomplete response? Thank you for raising this important issue.
God's blessings.
Good advice, except the varying cultural norms. That is fine for people outside of the church, we are not to judge them but as Paul said we should judge those who are in the church. There should be change in a person when they come to Jesus. Not like being assimilated and turned in to a clone, but there is some degree of conformity required. We should strive to conform to Christ and live by his standard. Not Mary, not the girl in this video, not this culture or that culture. We need to conform to Jesus culture. The way is narrow remember.
Unfortunately, the girl in this video is misguided and leaning on her own understanding.
@@br.mMay I ask what she said that led you to say she is misguided?
@@Psalms44-8 IDK I've already forgotten about all of this. It was hard to listen to and I wasn't even sure what her message was supposed to be. I probably should have just clicked a different video.
You probably should have. My video was to discuss what reasons Paul gives to support the practice of headcovering.
I know that I am not all knowing, but the amount of prayer and Bible research that I did, I think I gave a pretty clear description of why Paul promotes headcovering:)
Even if this video wasn't for you, thank you for watching and engaging with my content! It all helps.
So, I'm going to explain what has happened. Our societies, even in the west used to practice modesty, some countries still do, but definitely not the U.S and many European countries. We're living during the age of vanity and lust. I'm going to use Qatar as an example because it's what a normal society used to look like, people today place too much emphasis on fashion and vanity, how about we try to dress humbly? Dress in a God pleasing manner? I'm going to call you out on this one Sofia, not because I want to bash you, but because you and other people in this comment section need to hear it.
So, it shouldn't be surprising that our societies (especially in the West) are very far gone, with that, people don't actually know what the word "modesty" means, even your explanation in the video was vague in certain areas, causing confusion and leaving more questions than answers. Anyhow, regarding societal decay, for anyone that doesn't believe me, google early 1900's photographs, people used to dress very differently, no women was wearing yoga leggings or short shorts, men weren't wearing short shorts or tank tops, degeneracy in attire was not common. Afterwards search up "Mall in Qatar" see the video, of course, women in the west weren't wearing hijabs in the early 1900's, but it isn't different from how societies in the West used to practice modesty in the early as 1900's.
We're called to be apart from the world, not a part of it, in the sense that we shouldn't be dressing to look like the secular world, but to dress in a manner in which we are to profess the faith. If we're dressing like the secular world, especially women, sorry to tell you all, but you're doing it wrong. The secular world currently does not dress to please God, the fashion is in accordance to please the world.
This is a very hot topic that people within Christianity, and many people within the faith seem to not agree which is a very bad thing (possibly has something to do with the 45K denominations). You also mentioned that going to the beach has different modesty than going to church?? This is a very common point, and one I'm now going to take the time to address. It makes completely zero sense to go to church in a dress, but once we go to the beach, men take off their shirts (in some cases wear speedos) and women wear bikinis or one-piece bathing suits for 100's of strangers, whom some no doubt we either tempt. Yes, they make swim dresses still, you can find them online, they're very modest, and yes men, you don't have to take off your shirt at the beach, you also don't need to wear speedos, and you shouldn't. The secular world has lied and keeps lying to people, especially to people within the faith (I can understand the protestants are more squishy on this topic, more so than the Orthodox and Catholic Church).
You also said there's nothing wrong with "wanting to look nice"? What does this mean? The interpretations can be vast, are we talking about combing hair and basic hygiene? Or are we talking about Instagram fashion and a cake layer make up? You also said there aren't explicit rules mention in the Bible regarding attire, the way you delivered that statement infers that we can be more lenient? This is very dangerous logic, I'd say that if the Bible doesn't explicitly mention something than we have to be more cautious than ever, ready to use God given knowledge and discernment from the Holy Spirit to make judgements regarding between what is to be classified as appropriate attire and what is to be classified as inappropriate attire.
Some of the comments you showed at the beginning of the video were not off, they infact had a point, and many people within the faith will easily say "it's a heart issue" in a vague way to dismiss valid claims regarding modesty. The standards for what proper are 600ft below the earth's crust, yes, even within the faith. There isn't and shouldn't be anything wrong with starting to introduce standards within the faith and to call out immodest pieces of attire for both Men and Women.
In the video you also addressed the standards of a church you went to as "really high", you kept it vague, so I don't know what "really high means", standards are not something we should demonize, it's something that a civil society should have. Even if people don't know Christ yet, placing the standards and explaining to secular individuals why these standards are in place can also be a thing that brings people closer to Christ. Having no standards, is the reason why we're living in a societal decaying, where people even within the faith believe that Instagram/Tik Tok fashion is fashion that could please God. So demonizing legalism isn't something we should be doing either, as it's very clear that many people especially within the west and within the faith are very rebellious and become resentful when others within the faith rightfully condemn immodest attire such as yoga leggings, short shorts, tank tops, and the type of bathing suits people wear to the beach etc. Rules are good, and if we can start to reintroduce or make new rules that are made with the intention to glorify God, even if it appears "legalistic" there shouldn't be anything wrong with that.
Hey, thanks for finding my video thought-provoking enough for such a considered response!
I'd like to reply to a couple of points you made and things you may have misunderstood about my stance on things.
1) I actually wholeheartedly agree that we should be set apart from the world. In fact, I believe that we should stand out amongst the rest. For a lot of people, their two first assumptions are to think that means we should a) all look like monks or nuns and cover head to toe wearing nothing but plain clothes looking like strange homeschooled kids, or b) dress to the nines all the time as if we are from a decade long gone or attending a formal event.
Neither of these actually has to be true. In fact, as you've mentioned, the Western world has become so degenerate that wearing underclothes in public is considered okay. If someone were to dress "normally" all the time, covering their nakedness and dressed appropriately for each occasion, then they would stand out quite a lot already!
2) Yes, I stand by what I said when I mentioned that dressing to go to the beach is going to look differently than dressing to go to church. I think you (and others) are assuming that I mean "different levels" of modesty. Im not sure why?
It's a completely different occasion with different purposes and for that reason the way we dress for that occasion and that purpose will look different than when we dress at other times.
It was also really interesting to me that you immediately thought I meant it was okay to wear speedos and bikinis to the beach, although I never mentioned anything of the sort. I suppose I could have been more clear about that, although I thought it was pretty common sense.
A big point I was trying to make in this video was that dressing modestly includes dressing appropriately for each occasion. Our God is a God of order and design, and therefore, we should try to emulate that! That's why im terribly against wearing yoga pants for anything other than actually working out privately. Im against wearing underwear out in public at any time. That includes "clothing" that covers as much as underwear. It's also why I think going out in pajamas is also immodest. BUT for that same reason, what we wear to the beach is not appropriate to wear to church. Church is of much higher reverence, and we should have higher standards and dress accordingly.
3) Im being pretty vauge about the EXACT thing you should wear to church and using phrases like "high standards" because im trying to be considerate of everyone's situation. Not every girl watching this is going to have a really nice dress for church or the money to buy one. For each individual person, it is okay for them to wear their "Sunday's best," and that may be a little different person to person depending on their situation.
4) No, there really aren't explicit or detailed rules in the Bible about what we need to wear. That's just the truth, and because this is a video about modesty from a christian and biblical perspective, it made sense to mention that fact. That does not mean that we can wear whatever we want. That's why I went on to mention the guidelines that we DO get and understand from the Bible and christian tradition. If I did mean that ,because of this fact, we could wear what we want, then the video would not be more than a minute long and utterly unnecessary.
5) I will always protest against legalism because it is dangerous. The truth is that claiming in the name of God or Christianity that something is a sin according to the Bible, when it is, in fact, not, is a terrible thing to do. I have seen many people leave Christianity because they have witnessed these kinds of lies. It has done more damage than it ever has done good, and it should not be tolerated.
Having rules for your church does not equal legalism. I think you have that confused. In the church I was raised in, for example, if you were a young woman in a choir or playing an instrument, you were required to wear a skirt that covered the knees. That's a RULE that my church had, and it's reasonable. However, they did not go around preaching that the Bible says its a sin to wear pants.
I hope this can clear a couple of things up! There's always so much to say about these topics, and it's easy to misunderstand people or to misspeak, and I hope that's not what Im doing! God bless x
@@sofialjndr Thank you for taking the time to reply to my comment, I appreciate it! I'd also like to clarify a few things I have said in my previous comment aswell as adding to what we still both disagree on for any people reading the comments. I'm going to reply in a similar format as to your previous comment:
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1) We both agree that we have to be set apart from the world, that is good. Where we seem to still disagree is in the context to which we're to wear specific attire. So, I believe firmly in human tradition, alot of individuals have tradition pertaining to either their religion or culture. So, there are two distinctions here, and I'm going to compare and contrast 2 societies, one that features eroding tradition and one which is striving to preserve it. I'm going to use the United States and Qatar as examples, as these countries and their histories pertaining to how modesty was practiced was not so different at some point in time. So it's no mystery, as I've said, you go back and look at photographs and videos of how Men and Women dressed in the U.S, there was absolutely no man wearing short shorts, no women wearing pants, and no compressed tight clothing, why? Were people striving to show off gains or body parts? No, as I've stated in my previous comment, the attire made at the time had the goal to accentuate Male masculinity and to accentuate Female femineity. In another comment in this video, I described many events that have happened in the 20th century that have eroded the boundaries/distinctions between Men and Women. The Bible talks about and explicitly condemns crossdressing (Deuteronomy 22:5), I didn't see it mentioned in your video and this is a very important point that is "conveniently" left out of videos regarding Male and Female attire. Alot of movements including the feminist movement have popularized attire commonly used by males, to be used for women (suits, pants, unisex attire), cross dressing has become unbelievably common, and as we are seeing in real time, the boundaries and distinctions between the clothing Men and Women should wear have been erased in these very progressive times, Men dress like Women and Women dress like Men. In Qatar, Males and Female still have distinct clothing, and modest at that. No short shorts, no Women is wearing pants or leggings, no man is wearing short shorts or tank tops, and people typically dress the same whenever they go (I'm going to exclude foreigners, they aren't classified as Qatarians). You might say "well, this is how Islam does it", our society (we both live in the U.S if I'm not wrong) back in the early 1900's used to do the exact same thing, granted, women weren't wearing hijabs, but Men and Women both had distinct clothing that was made with the intention to distinguish and accentuate the Masculinity of Men and the Femininity of Women in a modest manner, the attire didn't seek to erode the boundaries or push the level of degeneracy we see today. I am going to develop more upon the occasion in the later point below.
2) This is where we somewhat disagree, and so have other people in this comment section below. It makes zero sense that when we go to church, we wear a suit (males) or a dress (females), but once we go to the beach we wear bikini's, speedos, just swimming trunks with no shirts, or one-piece bathing suits. You condemned speedos and bikini's, but not swimming trunks (men have their shirts removed, it's ok to wear the trunks with a swimming shirt, Men don't have to take of their shirts) or one-piece bathing suits, which are bot modest either, I believe we disagree, you believe one-piece bathing suits and a man without a shirt and wearing just swimming trucks is modest? In a furth comment below I also offered alternatives, swim dresses for Women (yes, they still make them, for anyone else reading you can buy them online) and Men can wear swim shirts (yes, they don't need to be compressed either, and they shouldn't be). You also mentioned it's common sense, we obviously disagree here, and many people within the Christian faith, especially people who are young in their faith, might not explicitly know that the beach wear I listed isn't modest, so it's always good and very important to highlight these points as yes, it's not quite obvious to many individuals, especially Christian fresh from the secular world. To highlight your last paragraph, even occasions to which we are supposed to dress, can and are very distorted since they are mostly set by the secular world currently and not by people within the faith, so when it comes to dressing for the occasion, if us Christians are to go to the beach, the way we dress for that occasion should not at all emulate the secular world, but rather represent our faith in a God honoring way. This is a common problem that us Christians have to highlight more within the faith, than if we are to represent God in a God honoring way, we should not be trying to emulate the secular world, as the secular world is not trying to promote fashion that is pleasing for God in many areas. The occasions and standards the secular world has for occasions is not something we should try to emulate, with the most jarring example being the beach as I have described. In your response we both condemned the same clothing, with the exception being that you seem to not agree that pants for women, one-piece bathing suits or shirts off with just swimming trunks is immodest.
3) Again, nothing wrong with that, but during these times, it's good to call out things that are wrong, especially in a secular world that largely promotes alot of degenerate clothing. I agree, not everyone may have the money for a "nice" dress, God understands our situations. As for people in the U.S (since your TH-cam channel is a NA based channel) I understand there is poverty in the U.S, but for the majority of people living in the U.S, people can definitely buy modest clothing at a reasonable price, doesn't have to be something flashy and expensive, it can be something humble and neat, maybe from a second hand store or borrowed? Majority of the Individuals in the U.S blow off more money than we realize on things we don't need (eating out too much, unnecessary subscriptions, too many cosmetics, more clothing/food than we need, etc, an overabundance, many examples), it's common but not ok, it's because we live in a very materialistic culture. If we can make sacrifices such as for example, instead of eating out, we use that money to buy a dress to honor God, God will appreciate it, and if someone really can't afford anything modest, God is also very understanding of our situations and hardships. So yes, it's largely depending on the situation, so we agree, just needed to highlight this point, not specifically for you, but for any general reader.
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4) Back to this, in the first point I mentioned crossdressing, a conveniently/commonly left out point in many videos regarding modesty/attire, and no, I'm not accusing you of anything specific, I'm saying this more generally because it's something I've notice that is done more so often, and it's a very important point that people either don't know about, or don't address on purpose especially when it comes to addressing the topic of modesty. As I have stated, over the past century, especially in the west, crossdressing has become very common practice, a practice that was talked about and condemned in the Bible (Deuteronomy 22:5). To reiterate, may movements and ideologies have encouraged crossdressing, from 3 revolutionary communist films in the 60's that popularized jeans for both men and women, to Hollywood and public figures (musicians/artist) promoting crossdressing attire, to the feminist movement in the late 50's to the late 80's encouraging radical attire never seen before in history that would also be classified as crossdressing since it severed to eroded the distinctions and boundaries between Men and Women. Your position is a dangerous one to take, as I will also reiterate the same point from my last comment, if something isn't explicitly mentioned in the Bible, then we should exercise more caution and righteous judgment/knowledge/wisdom of the Holy Spirit to be able to discern between what is appropriate attire, and what could be inappropriate attire. There are alot of things not mentioned in the Bible, perhaps intentionally, it's no excuse to be lenient in many cases. The Bible might not explicitly mention something, it doesn't directly mention phones or the internet, does that mean it's ok to use those two for nefarious reasons? No. When we read the Bible, we get to know God, we also get insight into how God possibly feels about certain things we do, we also have the wisdom of the Holy Spirit to discern between what's right and wrong, and the convictions I have received, and that many other people have received, shouldn't be dismissed just because "it's not explicitly mentioned in the Bible", that would be a dangerous path and logic to adopt.
5) I was using the word legalism in a secular context, so my bad if I didn't get the point across clearly, I'm actually going to exchange that term for the words "standards" or "practices". Standards are at times enforced through rules, as I have stated, rules aren't bad, and the implementation of certain rules (regarding modesty, back to Qatar example, they do it, Modesty isn't really an issue there, it's also a flourishing as it encourages a family friendly environment and less degenerate society) within a society with the goal to glorify God. It's something we're encouraged to do (in our cases we can vote for it), "Because government is instituted by God as His “minister... for good” (Romans 13:3-4), it functions best when leaders honor and obey Him" and "(Deuteronomy 4:8) New International Version 8 And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws as this body of laws I am setting before you today?" If people leave the faith because they couldn't wear a pair of joga leggings to church, then that is an actual issue of the heart involving indifference and pride, and it's nobody else's fault or choice than that of the individual who made the choice to leave God.
So, with the point regarding crossdressing, and immodesty, it seems pants are immodest for women (and many women have received these convictions within the faith), especially since they might only not tempt other individuals to sin, but can also be an abomination in Gods eyes since pants for women (women didn't wear pants for a long time up until 5 minutes ago) were made and popularized with the intention to erode the distinctions and boundaries between Men and Women. This all goes back to exercising caution and discernment, and I am also one of the individuals who have received these same convictions along with several others regarding modesty.
I hope I was also able to provide some clarity to points I might have been too vague on! Again, I appreciate you for taking the time to respond to my comment, these dialogues have been enjoyable, if it's in your plan, I would appreciate greatly appreciate a response! Godspeed!
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Had to split it in 2 since TH-cam thought it was too long for 1 comment
@Battlefield1918 That definitely helped clear things up, and i believe we may agree on more than you think!
I, too, believe strongly in both cultural and christian traditions, as well as standards and rules. I think that may actually be why we disagree quite a bit on what constitutes as cross dressing. (I'll touch a little more on that soon)
I want it to be clear to anyone reading this that I am firmly against cross dressing and believe that yes, it is explicitly condemned in the Bible! I haven't rewatched my video in a while and I cant remember if I mentioned much about cross dressing but, I do think its going a bit too far to assume that those who dont dedicate time to the subject in their video are doing it nefariously or dont have a stance on it. The reason I wouldn't have dedicated much time to it in the first place is because this video is already a video dedicated specifically to women. The majority of my returning viewers and subscribers are girls and women who are actively trying to align with the feminine nature God has created them with. Of course, cross dressing and other perverted expressions of gender identity are becoming only more prevalent each day. A dedicated video to the subject someday may be a good idea. I'll have to plan for it!
As for what specifically constitutes as cross dressing I think may be what we disagree on. The interesting thing is that I think we come to different conclusions while having a very similar, if not the same, underlying philosophy behind it.
It is because i believe strongly in human cultural traditions that i believe women wearing pants is not cross dressing. Let me explain:
I'll be using heels as an example. High heels are considered one of the most feminine items out there in Western society. They are so closely associated with women that any young person might assume they were invented for women, but this is not the case. The first high heels were made for male persian soldiers in the 10th century. The heel allowed them to lock their feet in their stirrups. It actually hasnt been until recently that men wearing heels has been seen as a feminine thing. My husband owns a vintage pair of cuban heeled boots that were passed down to him from only three generations ago. However, if I were to see a man walking down the street in high heeled shoes today i would instinctively assume he is trying to dress more femininly and I would assume that because of our more modern cultural norms. For that reason, I would discourage men from wearing high heels, but i wouldn't call a woman a cross dresser for wearing them.
Women's jeans have had a very similar transition. Our American blue jeans were designed to be practical work wear. The blue color was even specifically preferred to hide dirt when worn by laborers like miners or ranchers. Of course, those doing these jobs were men. However, during the war, when the women had to temporarily help by taking over some tougher jobs, women often reached for their husbands' durable jeans. After the war, when men came back, women still found they reached for them when doing yard or farm work. (This is why you often see old photos of women wearing jeans with a huge cuff. They had to be rolled up to fit) Slowly they became a casual and practical option of clothing for ladies but, because we didnt want women wearing mens clothing, jeans designed to fit women specifically were designed!
Blue jeans have a strong place in American tradition for both men and women. I personally own one pair of blue jeans and I wear them when we visit my father-in-law's farm or when the weather get really cold. No one seeing me in my blue jeans assumes Im trying to dress more masculine. Especially because im wearing them at the appropriate times. Now, I dont mean to say that all women everywhere should start wearing jeans, but if you're an american woman, jeans are not considered cross dressing in your culture.
I think we all would benefit from getting closer to our roots and learning from those who have gone before us. It's a beautiful thing to research your cultural background and connect with it in practice. I love wearing my blue jeans. I love wearing my prarie dresses with cowboy boots. I love it because they both look and make me feel feminine and have a connection to my Texan roots. I can also research and learn from other cultures, but i have no obligation to adopt their traditons towards the way i dress. No one looks at me in my blue jeans, long plaited hair with a bow, feminine floral top, and assumes im cross dressing in any western country.
Your point about jeans being inmodest because they've "been around for five minutes" is both incorrect and wouldn't hold up when with any other piece of clothing. You would have to then admit that women wearing high heels is cross dressing because they have a very similar history.
An extremely simplified way of explaining my process towards dressing modestly would be:
The word of God > Earthly Authority (parents, dress code requirements) > Cultural Traditons
This is another thing, I have no problem with local rules and standards. You should listen to how your parents tell you to dress. You should follow the dress code that schools, social clubs, churches, or whatever else places for you. You should do that because obeying authority is biblical and also because order is a huge part of modesty.
The issue when making a video about how you ought to dress is that the authority and cultural traditions aspects will change from person to person. Even in America, every state has its own history. That being said, transcendent truths will often find themselves in cultures all over the world, so you will find similarities among many traditions. I won't tell people they ought to dress according to Qatar's standards because not everyone has that tradition or culture. I will, however, share the transcendent truths that christians should follow no matter where you are.
Great video!
Thank you
Hi Sofia,
I have a question. I thought you mentioned later in your video that your parents were pastors! I hope I have not misunderstood. Do you accept St. Paul’s admonition about women being pastors?
Respectfully,
F. Tonelli
Hi, when I say that, I really mean my father is a pastor, and my mother is a pastor's wife! My mother in no way "pastors" but does do so much work involved in the ministry of course.
I am of the belief that only men are called to be Pastors.
@@sofialjndr Understood. Thank you!
"dress for the king"
Both matter, cover up those legs sisters it's how the early church understood it
Madam do you think your preaching is correct, yoga pants are immodest for church but in special occasion its modest
What teaching is this
If yoga pants immodest for church, then how it is modest of other occasion
Is a church is a holy place, or we are a holy place
every individual are the church of god
You preaching is totally against bible
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Then pants, you said woman pabts and boy pants are different
its totally wrong its your opinion
in Jesus time, woman wear full length skirt, boys wear half lenth dress, to make difference
if a man want to wear a, womans full length dress with a liitle bit of difference ,its still a womans dress ,in a gods point of view
if a man wear a skirt with a little bit of different ,
does church would allow him to enter
its also a abomination
first your view of thing is wrong madam
wear everywhere what you wear in church, because you are a church
The video has alot of faults in logic. She also forgot to mention crossdressing, which the Bible talks about, and condemns, a woman wearing pants is crossdressing.
Everything you said is 100% on point, and I agree 1000% that what we wear at church, we should wear everywhere, everyone used to do it for 100's of years, all of a sudden, we stopped doing it 5 seconds ago and saying this statement again is controversial? Very rebellious and spiritually dangerous times we're living in. Anyhow, Godspeed!
As a man, your thumbnail was noticeably revealing, and came across as anything but modesty.
Thank you for your input. Can I ask why you decided not to scroll past and instead actually click on the video when you believe that it was in-modest content?
@@sofialjndr Dont worry Sofia. As a man I can tell you that he was probably aroused by his fantasy or is a slave of pornography. Your thumbnail was showing a knee, there is nothing wrong with it... xD. Keep doing your work. Much love.
Seriously? Stop trolling.
@@sofialjndr He probably needed to call out false teachings to prevent people from getting confused and misled, which is something I condone.
There is no such term as biblical modesty, the bible doesn't give a specific details on how modesty should look like😂😂😂
Unfortunately a lot of people believe this. But this is not true.
a modern christian term to describe a theological idea doesn't have to be found exactly how we use it today in the Bible for it to be biblically based, actually. The word trinity is not found in the Bible, and yet we consider it to be biblical. In fact, it is so important to the christian faith that it is included in every christian creed.
@@sofialjndr one of the most important christians creeds that are found clearly in the bible is genocide and barbarically slaughtering children (samule 15:3) (deut 20:10-18) (book of joshua)
@@sofialjndr besides biblical modesty is just modesty standards in europe, like 100 years ago in europe women used to cover more and cover their heads, now ur not covering ur head amd we can see all ur body curves cuz the dresses are tight
You Claim that dressing should be for the occasion. Example of yoga pants to church, immodest not just because they are tight, but because they do not fit the occasion. I disagree with this. Jesus told us to not worry about how we dress. So there is no "occasion".
The Bible teaches about food as an example. It is okay to eat meat sacrificed to idols, but if your brethren are weaker in their faith, and are upset by the idea of eating the meat... Then we as Christians should avoid eating the meat when those brethren are with us. That's because we do not want to do anything that could cause our brethren to stumble. Like another commenter here politely tried to remind you. The way a person dresses can cause brethren to stumble.
Not just women, but also men. Women can stumble at the sight of a handsome man. Just the same as a woman dressing certain ways can cause some men to stumble. Therefore you should deny yourself, take up your cross daily, and follow Jesus.
Jesus can come at any time, so why not be ready? What does going to the beach have to do with clothing? I have seen Amish women and men at the beach and they do not dress for the occasion. They still wear their normal clothes, appropriate dresses, pants and shirts, hats and bonnets. Why use going to the beach as a chance to wear a bikini?
Woman, you speak from what authority? What are your credentials? What do you think about the Bible stating that women should not lead the church? You spoke a lot of nakedness. This is a fun fact I heard, on the topic of nakedness, did you know about Noah's nakedness? Which son was it, was it Ham who uncovered his fathers nakedness? Is that a polite way of saying that he had incest with his own mother? Getting his own mother pregnant?
What do you think of the Seventh Day Adventists? I heard Doug Batchelor preach about Adam and Eve were originally clothed in light. Then when they ate of the wrong tree, their garments of light vanished and they realized they were naked. What do you think about that?
Do you think that your sermon and teachings in this video are just you leaning on your own understanding? As J Warner Wallace often says, it is like you have thrown your dart at the wall and then drawn the bullseye around your dart.
You instead should try realizing the bullseye God created and then try to hit the target.
Have you attended seminary? Are you an ordained minister? Are you a doctor?
Your logic about "how to dress" (which is how you chose to paraphrase Matthew 6:28) would apply to immodest clothing too. One could say I can dress immodestly because Jesus says not to worry about clothes. But the verse must be read in context, and the topic at that point in Matthew 6 is trusting God with our needs and the future, not modesty.
Personally, I'm not as tempted with scantly-clad women at the beach as I am when they are immodestly dressed elsewhere. So it seems occasion matters to me. I'm not condoning bikinis. But would you wear a shirt on the beach? If not, why are you heaping burdens on that you yourself do not lift? Disclaimer for girls reading: I do believe men are more prone to lust of the eyes than women, so please keep that in mind.
Man, by what authority do you speak? And does making a video on a topic amount to teaching in the church? As for Ham, I don't know what you're trying to imply, Ham gossiped about Noah for which reason Noah pronounced a curse.
SDA are simply wrong about some things (most notably the Catholic Church, their interpretation of Daniel, sabbath, and what they call "soul sleep"). In addition to that, there are also even more heretical sects of SDA (that misunderstand the sonship of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, for example). As for the claim that Adam and Eve were clothed with light before the fall, where does that come from? From what I know about Genesis, it seems to me they were naked before the fall, just that it wasn't a problem for them (see considering Genesis 2:25 and Genesis 3:7). See, before the fall, they did not suffer concupiscence like we do (cf James 1:12-15)
I am surprised that the girl in this video understands some things about modesty that you do not (that it is about propriety and humility, whereas you think it is only about nakedness), so I would venture to guess it's not just her own understanding. However, Sofia, I would encourage you to consider that modesty is about temptation as well, and the effect the female body has on men (not to excuse us, but not to excuse women either - cf Ezekiel 33:8, 1 Corinthians 8). And this is for both: 1 Timothy 2:9-10
Have you attended a Catholic seminary? Are you a priest? Are you a theologian?
@@someman7thank you for your balanced comment. The person you responded to sounded very unhinged and raised so many left-field comments
@@someman7 Yes I wear a shirt and pants at the beach. There is nothing special about the beach to me.
Just because there is sand and water, doesn't mean I need to get naked. When I was a young man, I didn't know any better and gave in to peer pressure to be cool. But I noticed women and men would look at me, and approach me sometimes.
So, when I was a child I thought like a child but then I matured and ripened, now I don't undress for the beach, its like worshiping a false idol. I hate the beach, I hate this world and it is nothing to me.
I am not sure what the goal of this video is. It was hard to follow along and understand the purpose of this video existing.
So, it seemed to me like this girl was trying to justify her actions. Perhaps I misunderstood her intent. It seemed more like it was about what she wanted. With no or little concern to others.
I completely disagree with you that men are more tempted than women. What an ignorant and immature, unripe view you have!
About Adam and Eve and clothed in light, I believe that there is mention in at least one of the Psalms, but I forget which. Mentioning how God clothes himself in light. So then Adam, being created in the likeness of God, could have been likewise clothed in light.
For the record, I am not SDA and agree their teachings are often wrong, they are works based Judaizers at best. However, I can listen to their preaching and filter out the bad bits. I do enjoy listening to some SDA preaching, they are generally intelligent people, but they get so much wrong. My theology is mostly Lutheran.
Sorry when I mentioned Ham, it was just an off topic thing. I only mentioned it because she had been going on about different was nakedness is talked about in the Bible.
Yet she didn't mention that it can also refer to sex. For example, when Ham uncovered his fathers nakedness
Hi! I think you may have misunderstood when I was talking about dressing up according to the occasion. If you'd have been paying attention, you might have noticed that I said we can not excuse any way of dressing as being modest, even if it's what is acceptable in our culture. When I said that if what you wear to the beach is modest, I was not referring to a bikini! I was picturing a modest fully covered outfit, or maybe some shorts and a tee shirt. It probably would have been smart of me to put photos of that as examples when I mentioned it, but I didn't feel comfortable sharing people's pictures dressed like that. What I was saying with that, is that it's not appropriate to wear clothes that are designed for working out, or going to the beach to church. Kind of like it wouldn't be appropriate to wear pajamas to church, even if they fully cover you.
@someman7 Thank you for the advice! I actually recorded a clip talking about the temptation side of things and ultimately decided to cut it out because I thought I didn't get the point across very accurately or clearly.
Now I see it may have been wiser to re-record that part, but I'm glad I learned from my mistake!