World's First Hydrogen-Powered Ship Goes on Six Year Voyage
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That boat probably costs more than my entire neighborhood.
feels bad man
Costs a lot more than those double-wides.
That's just the prototype. The product "model 3" will be $50k :^)
5 Million $
The boat was cheap.. paying all the scientists that dream it up is where all your R&D money goes.
This has pretty major potential for the container shipping industry. I imagine a solar "sheath" that covers above the deck once it's done being loaded, then converts sea water into hydrogen as shown. The shipping industry is responsible for a huge proportion of greenhouse gas emissions. Aside from carbon dioxide, they emit considerable amounts of nitrates, sulfates, and partial hydrocarbons that result from burning low-quality diesel sludge in very rudimentary engines.
1:27 is when the video starts
My first ever comment on TH-cam just to show respect to this channel .
3 Reasons you kinda wasted it right?
Connor King nope I mean it
Can you talk more about *vertical wind turbines* ?
Maybe one of the manufacturer can sponsor the next video.
Andy Spark Putting them on a ship is stupid. They only give positive energy when the ship is stationary. Otherwise they are creating drag.
It's a gimmick. No different to putting steamboat type paddles on the thing.
I'm more interested generally in VAWT.
The turbines on the boat just remind me on that.
In every technology field some new stuff come up. Maybe i can learn something new and the other viewers can learn pros and cons of this tech.
01DOGG01 you maybe right
01DOGG01 I thought so at first too, but it does generate some extra energy when the wind is coming from the side. Of course you could still just use and old-fashioned sail instead.
This entire ship is pretty pointless. In the end it just trades supposedly *lighter* energy storage in the form of a hydrogen system for its inherrently low efficiency and therefore a need for more electricity production. So I´m sceptical if it even is lighter after you factor all that in.
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Kinda funny that's remindes me of a conversation i had with my mom when i was a kid. I build a Car from Lego, called it the future car and told my mom it will be powered by Water. So i kinda predicted the future haha 😄
Its not really powered by hydrogen, this boat is powered by solar/wind and hydrogen is just a battery. The issue here is which is more efficient, hydrogen batteries or lithium batteries
This could make sense for ships/boats, but I don't see it being a good idea for land vehicles. It be interesting to find out how much energy are stored and how long the motors could rotate each day. I'm concerned that this boat require 24hrs of idle time then 6hrs of travel time before idling again. I noticed this ship also contain a small retractable sail. That's cheating
Main 1
Not even that good for ships. There is too much energy loss in the conversion and compression, and then back again for this to be viable. Hydrogen is just a poor energy storage solution.
Stephen Louie
I would say it is a good energy storage for long range vehicles of any kind (maybe the resurrection of airships ;D) when preproduced, even the energy density of hydrogen at 700 bar is higher then the one of a lithium ion battery. It does make a lot of sense ones understand the disadvantages and advantages of hydrogen or solid chemical batteriey.
Think you missing the point. As mentioned numerous times in the video, it's to test different technologies.
Compressing hydrogen increases energy density for storage space efficiency but also increases the energy cost of that storage. When the whole production to consumption path is considered, hydrogen is not economically viable compared to regular batteries.
Where hydrogen does make sense is when the availability of energy is difficult to acquire, such as on a space station. There fuel is hard to come by, frequency of refueling is intermittent, and the cost of the fuel is not important.
As a test platform it is fine, but the use of hydrogen for energy storage has limited applications and is not economical compared with other technologies. There are simply too many inefficiencies (energy losses) inherent in the multi-step conversion and compression processes.
I already saw Real Engineering's Hydrogen video.
It's Hydrogen day :D
They're all being paid to keep some sort of schedule it seems.
A plant nah, it is most likely that hydrogen became so hyped lately.
Also, i think it is more like Real Engineering thinks Hydrogen power is highly impractical.
Today is his second one on the subject
weird how trends work right?! i always feel like anything and everything has derived from a trend.
Coldfusion video, Drop everything you are doing and watch-
haha, yep was mid way through 1 video, saw the notification and instantly swapped to coldfusion
I look forward to hydrogen powered vehicles. Keep updating us with the good stuff!
It might sound an idiotic question if my logic is wrong but my question is since the solar panels are first filter out pure water then separate oxygen and hydrogen(as a fuel) and then electrolysis is used to get water and power back is the whole point of instead using solar panel's energy with greater efficiency is to be able to have the ability to store hydrogen?
Living in France, I was already aware of this project. And i'm not surprised at all that you made a video on your channel about it. Well done ! it's nice to advertize such a great project ! cheers...
I am not fond of H for use in cars for dozens of reasons but this implementation of its use is perfect.
Electric motor powered vessel using the two renewables to create and compress the H when renewables are in surplus. A moderate Li Ion battery for power on demand whenever needed.
Brilliant!
Makes me excited for my grand children's future. Excellent video, thank you.
0:47 Oh yeah lol, its winter now down there. Completely forgot about that 😂
Another great video Dagogo. I have always loved your research on modern technology. Keep em coming.
Your voice makes me keep coming back.....ssooooooo. soothing
This is wonderful. Loving the progression in innovation. Thank you for sharing this ColdFusion!
Genius solution *for the shipping industry.* Hydrogen is literally all around the ships in the water.
We need this very much to solve our global pollution issues.
That's like saying we don't need trees/wood because we had all those lovely ash in industrial waste heaps!
Water is BURNT hydrogen - it's hydrogen's ASH.
Hydrogen is only a very inefficient energy storage and we are normally making it from fossil fuels - methane to be exact - as hydrolysis of water is more pricey. Not that fossils made hydrogen is cheap! It cost much more than premium petrol (and that's hydrogen with 0 taxes...)
tl:dr Hydrogen is c##p
Rrr Ggg except the cost for fuel would be zero since the energy for hydrolysis comes from the solar panels and wind turbines so all you would need to pay for is the ship and then operating it is free
Fuel cell vehicle will take place of ic engine vehicles. Fcv is also viable for planes. This will happen once the price of fuel cell reduced by 40 %. We will see measurable change in next 10 years.
So am I wrong with the math? They are going on a six year voyage, ending in 2020, and it is 2018 now. So they are 4 years in? Where can I follow their progress? Thanks
This channel has one the most quality content ... Dont know why its not growing that big ....
Thanks ColdFusion, the detail you put in is worth every piece - i respect your content so much
The beauty of this is it releases oxygen into the atmosphere and as this technology spreads we have all these machines contributing to what we breath and will help make up for all the forests we have not replaced over time which is our source of oxygen manufacturing .
Awesome. I would imagine the storage needed for water to drink normally would take a fair bit of space for a reasonable voyage. The way the waste product from the ship is pure water is just ace.
Boss:
- I want to prove that hydrogen is practical because yes.
Employee 1:
- Let's create an hydrogen boat that collects hydrogen from sea water. We just need a bunch of solar panels and some vertical wind turbines to purifie the water, separate the hydrogen from the oxygen and store it by pressurising it into some containers.
Employee 2:
- Good idea. Then we will just need a lithium ion battery to support it, some eletric motors and we are set.
Intern:
-Hydrogen is dumb. Just plug the solar panels and wind turbines to a bigger battery by saving weight on the hydrogen bullshit and use the stored eletric energy to power the eletric motos.
*gets thrown out of the window*
As they chant for the great good for the great good.
Carlos Pinto dghhvcx
Mikolaj Kraszewski But are the mechanisms for collecting water, purifying it, hydrolyzed it, pressurize the hydrogen and store it lighter than a bigger battery? Even if so, is the added complexity justifiable? I can't be sure but it doesn't seem like it is...
Electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is 25% efficiently. Hydrogen is indeed a scam. We struggle to make enough electricity from renewables to begin with, we can't just 4x the demand from poor efficiency.
@daarkside Germany produced 43.6% renewable in 2016 according to wikipedia. Just because there is a niche scenario of oversupply doesnt mean they produce more renewables than they need. Also there are 46.5 million cars in Germany, less than 150 000 are electric or 00.3%. Now how do you suppose the future demand be met if it were to ever become all hydrogen electric? Well considering less then 1/3 of a percent is electric now and the grid is still less than 50% renewables you have ABSOLUTELY no grounds to make such a false claim.
Drove for one the major oil companies in nz years ago. I remember one of the bosses for head office telling us we would be carrying special water on the trucks instead of petrol/ diesoline sometime in the next 50 years
It would be interesting if you could make a video-tutorial about how you approach research, what methods, principles and sources you use. I personally believe you are great at it and anyone of us could gain great benefits from even slightly getting closer to your expertise in the subject. Please consider it.
Impressive. So you can now build ships that never have to stop to refuel, and they're even clean. That's awesome
"How does this ship work?"
It just works
it just has to be slow, Otherwise, wind turbines do not make sense.
How about you watch the whole video before commenting so it can be somewhat intelligible
that's not even funny and it has 40 likes wtf
Seriously? The video explained fairly well how it works. I feel trolled. Why did I feed you?
How does it work? With Great difficulty !
This is incredible what they are doing for the environment
It’s simple. If it’s Coldfusion. I watch it.
Another beautiful video by CF... thanks for making and sharing!
Really nice to know people somewhere are doing my failed science fair project.Hope to learn about this some more
This is good news! I wish they would further develop this to be on board big ships around the world.
Also that process to separates oxygen using energy from solar panels can now be used to produce hydrogen on land for the cars that run by fuel cell.
So basically instead of using the conventional batteries to store the energy this ship uses hydrogen (which is supposed to be much lighter than batteries), but the actual energy source is solar and wind energies. Is there something I missed?
Eeshaan Achar it may be inefficiënt however it is way lighter. This is usefull for Planes and rockets however for cars and ships it doesnt really matter
This video really didn't tell us enough about the boat and told us things most people watching this channel already knew about hydrogen.
I love this channel such classy videos about the latest unheard tech and stuff.. Love to Dogogo
I feel this is more like solar and wind powered ship, that just temporary stores the energy in form of hydrogen. Anyway, great video and great ship, it is always nice to see the steps toward more clean and sustainable future.
Its really great and informative to watch your videos
Keep up the great work man!
all your content and music in videos are awesome.
Woah I just realised after you said "in conclusion" all you do is write incredibly good essays and animate them.
You took a skill I thought was useless in highschool and made a career out of it. NICE WORK MAN ! 👍 keep it up
This is why I subscribed to this channel, great video!
so the hydrogen is just the battery it uses. it takes energy to make hydrogen (fill the battery) and provides energy burning the hydrogen (empty the battery). the energy comes completely from wind and sun, right?
you’re really smart and your voice is very listenable 🙂 i always enjoy your vids.
I love your recent content! Keep it up!!
How far off being cost effective is it for container ships?
Would need a solar system that goes over the top of the containers that then retracts when unloading.
Even if it means losing space for a row or 2 of containers for such a system.
It just came to my attention that whenever a new cold-fusion videos comes out, first I like the video and then I watch it.
"Enjoying the warmer weather".
It's fucken cooking!!!
would hydrogen be a better alternative for energy storage for solar power plant?
has been waiting for yrs for hydrogen to store energy like a plant.
So the hydrogen is basically being used as a battery , or is it more efficient to just directly use the solar and wind energy and just storing excess energy in a normal battery
Those Model 3 SHOTS 😍
Really well produced video Dagogo 👍
I'm little bit late but I admit that this is one of the notifications I always wanting yo see.
Many of us in the northern hemisphere feel like we're dying in hell's waiting room.
Sooo... When the ship gathers pure water in the desalination process, does it just, dump that non-H2O overboard? Or could it store and refine it?
really smart design. Having the ability to store clean fuel with little weight penalty. The problem about solar panels is that when the sun goes down, it would suck to lower your power drastically. Hydrogen stores solve that problem.
I always enjoy your videos.
Well done sir!
I love your videos! I just wish to see them more often. Anyhow, thanks
So that means the crew members don't die of dehydration since the engine produces water, right? Nice~
awesome video as always! thank you for making such a great video content and always bring exciting in the way :D
So the hydrogren is serving as a means to store energy / buffer overproduction... wouldn't it be more effecient under normal condictions to run the engines off the renewable energy sources directly instead of taking the detour with hydrogren which definitely decreases the level of efficiency?
Great video, dude! You gave me a smile.
2:30 They do not split atoms apart, they are breaking molecular bonds, a very different thing as I hope you know.
Can someone please explain? If all combined, the output is 23kwh, but the engine is more than 200bhp, if they power the hydrogen extractor unit, how do they keep going?
another great video mate. when is your book out i have ordered and paid but it says its not published yet?
Great video, as always!
so- if I understand correctly, the point isn't that hydrogen and their fuel cells are any more efficient than just directly using the electricity from PVs and wind, but the system is more of a lighter weight and (eventually) cheaper battery?
What is done with the pure water? I hope it is brought back to the demineralised seawater tank. In time, the demineralisation process can be reduced or even stopped completely (making the system a closed loop).
Good heaven, this ship is the coolest looking green energy vehicle so-far
I absolutely loved this video😍😍😍. Great job👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾
So.. You put in loads of energy to seprate water to H2 and O and then you take O and H2 and make water again to make heat (aka energry) why not use the energy directly then? why the whole process?
Always waiting for your videos. Don't take such a huge gap between 2 videos @coldfusion
Thank you for the video
but they have a 106kWh battery on board anyway. That would easily be able to provide the 82kW peak needed for the motors (more likely capable of 500kw peak). They could run the boat at full speed for just over 2 hours at night with no wind before running out. If they got rid of the unecessary hydrogen step and replaced the h2 eqiupment weight with (lets asume 1000kg, probably way more) thats another 100kwh, so four hours running.
The electrolysis of water to get h2 only has an efficiency of 80% (lets ignore the fact they compress it to 400BAR and the energy required for now) The efficiency to turn it back to electricity in the fuel cell is approx. 50%. So thats a round trip storage efficiency of only 40% back of what you put in.
If they only charged the battery directly, is approx 90% charging eff and 90% discharging eff, so approx 80% round trip efficiency.
So you get double the return when you charge a battery compared to store in hydrogen.
This whole thing is bassically a floating advert for toyotas hydrgogen tech. They gambled that battery vehicles wouldnt take off and that hydrogen was the future, but they were very wrong
Love your videos dude!
advantages of this technology include safety, pure clean water, and environmental friendliness . as to efficiency- energy is never lost, it only changes forms
Great info as usual love your videos dagogo 👍
And what a perfect design !!!
If you going to cover your Hydrogen filled balloon in solid rocket fuel, it's no wonder it went boom XD
Are they using salt water or are they carrying freshwater?
Your content is always much awaited .. please post regularly and one more thing post more on cancer research and AI, they are evolving daily
Hydrogen doesn’t make much sense for cars due to the electrolysis and transport being a massive loss in efficiency, but on the ocean it might actually be awesome. Wonder how long on average this boat can be under power before needing to replenish it’s store of built up hydrogen.
The real question is whether there is enough energy conversion efficiency compared with the amount of useful work that energy is used for. That is, if it takes too long to charge the hydrogen storage tanks compared with the amount of distance traveled, and if they produce any excess energy to be stored in the hydrogen tanks. What with the desalination, electrolysis, compression and conversion, there isn't sufficient energy left for useful work.
Agreed. Yeah I was wondering about desalination too, surely the salt has to be removed.
I think that future technology and economy of scale might bring down the price of Hydrogen. Also maybe Government subsidizes. There is also the possible use of the Hydrogen as a combustion fuel in combination with Oxygen left over from electrolisis.
Desalination of seawater on ships and family sized yachts is a very mature industry normally using reverse osmosis
Electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is 25% efficiently. Hydrogen is indeed a scam. We struggle to make enough electricity from renewables to begin with, we can't just 4x the demand from poor efficiency.
Love your Videos, your editing style is a big influence on the way I make my Videos.
So 23kW of renewables powers 82kW of motors + desalination + compression + living energy requirements. One thing is for sure: they can't run those motors at peak power for any length of time, if at all.
Yes bois, more from God Fusion TV
When there is the question to just sleep or watch your video ... Then there is no question ^^
This is amazing! Thanks for the awesome video!
I would think it would be more effective to mount the solar panels vertically into a sail type wing where it could assist with propulsion and reduce the draw from the electric motors.
Both electrolysis and the compressing of the hydrogen use a large amount of energy available, supplementing forward motion with a wing would need less hydrogen for the motors.
My understanding of the subject is somewhat limited - does the same amount of water come out of the fuel cell as is being used by the electrolysis, or do we run into the problem of consuming our water if scaled to a global level ?!
1:46 someone should tell them
Great to see those famous hulls being given a second lease of life.
Great Work!!!
It makes no sense storing the "excess energy" as compressed hydrogen on a boat.
The main dis-advantage of batteries is their poor energy per kg ratio; but this is mostly irrelevant since gravity is counteracted by flotation (you can increase the ship´s "empty" volume arbitrarely bigger to accomodate it; sans maybe "as wide as the Panama Canal").
While a heavier ship will have a greater inertia (from the extra weight of the extra batteries to last through the night; plus maybe a few days of both overcast/rainy AND with slow winds...); it is unlikely to ever NEED to quickly change its speed/direction multiple times [to drain all of its stored power before the Sun and wind can recharge it again].
-> This "sponsorship" of Toyota [paying for the whole ship, the crew´s salary and food] is basically a contractual obligation for the team to carry and use a hydrogen generator and fuel cell with their "spare power generation" (even if they do not really need it).
In my opinion the technology of using hydrogen as a fuel gets interesting when atomfusion becomes a viable method. our oceans provide a large amout of possible fuel.
And we found the battery fanboy.
It actually makes sense to use hydrogen as a storage for energy, especially in a high corrosive enviroment like the sea, were batteries do have there drawbacks. Weight for boats is a concern because a ship with a high surface area also has a high resistance in the water. That's why have hydrofoil boats, wich lift their main body out of the water to reach a higher velocity. The ecranoplan wasn't really a boat but it had six huge turbines to lift itselfe out of the water and just two small ones to maintain flight over the water, wich further proofes my point of weight and buoyancy and surface area have a great effect on energy consumption.
phys.org/news85074285.html
from 100 kWh solar, hydrogen give back 23 kWh, battery 69 kWh
@ Luca:
I am not a "battery fanboy" (but a pro-nuclear fUsion, but nobody takes it seriously).
First: The TYPICAL "problem of batteries" on the sea (for both marine and submarine ships) is that they need to vent gases and/or cool down passively [I am talking of sulfuric acid batteries, because no comertial/military ship uses modern Li/ion ones for propulsion (yet)].
Tesla´s "solution" for their battery banks is to isolate them from the real world by using localized, redundant, prioritized, self-powered (from the battery cells themselves), close_cycled heating/cooling systems.
-> This does increase both the price and "weight per each Joule" stored, but it also makes flooding from seawater trivial (to the point that a ship using THE SAME one in their cars could actually sink hundreds of meters with its beacon/black_box running for days/weeks even in the frigid cold of the seafloor).
Second: When is weight really a "concern" for boats?
It really depends for *what* do you need the boat.
-> A single world_travel with regular stops on 101 ports taking several years with a crew of... (a few dozens?) is certainly does not require either high speeds or quick maneuvers [except perhaps on a critical point at Panama; but there are other boats and land_based machines already there ready to help].
Finally: I was never saying batteries could be used to replace all boats for all sizes and porpouses (nuclear reactors of all types do this better).
Direct current from solar can go to the batteries which is around 90% efficient use of the energy. Why convert the energy twice more for 10% return?
Energy is needed to strip Hyrogen from water then energy is also needed to compress it to 700 atm for storage. That sounds very inefficient to me.. Why not use the energy from directly from its solar and wind turbine and store excess power in lithium batteries? The latter would be a lot efficient way i think..
Can someone explain why rockets don't use hydrogen, as it is much lighter than fuel and would actually help you lift off? Is it just too light to provide any force or is it because it doesn't combust well enough?
hydrogen is really difficult to make, store and use. It's about half as efficient as electricity plus has additional downsides that hydrogen as a molecule wants to escape and get all over the place and if it leaks it's an invisible gas so can't tell its leaking and is HIGHLY flammable and burns with an invisible flame
#ColdFusion Thank for the video and as always you delivered but, please note that you did not mention a huge player in the hydrogen technology. BMW in 2004 had broken 9 World Records with hydrogen combustion engine including 300 Km/h (186.4 MPH), they had invested for more then a decade before and advanced the technology at a state of record with a "regular" 5 Series, as well Toyota benefited from there partnership with BMW which is great I guess. I do believe that credit and admiration has to be given to who deserves it.