Kulu seems like the only attacker willing to try things atm. Everyone else seems too scared to try the risky pass or to be the one to make things happen and take that responsibility.
@@BenBowman_ i also agree with the to much rotation,ange also mentioned this in the interview aswell, grey n berg n odobert should start the rest should be first team players maybe - romero for dragusin and we should rotate once we have a lead
A couple of things: 1. we have got to be able to make changes to the squad, particularly against lower level cup competition. Those squad players have got to take their chance when it is given to them. 2. I do not understand the hate that Kulu gets from our fans. It makes me mental. I don't consider myself a football savant, but I do not understand how our fanbase does not see his quality. He is undroppable for me.
The media and the footballing world are desperate for the Aussie upstart to fail. Arteta 5 seasons and counting, Pep 3(?) Klopp was it 5? Grow up people. Football and life are not instagram. Don’t buy into the media narrative. Grow a pair and stick with your club
This is not true. If anything the media are still on Anges side. His results are why fans are starting to turn. At some point he has to show progress. The form in 2024 is pathetic.
Coventry Manager Mark Robins after the game, "I think they are really well managed by the way. I think he is a top manager, Ange. The way they play is a really good way of playing, which will bring them good results, but that’s the nature of where we are in life really. People want everything yesterday and it’s ridiculous really." This is how I feel about Ange.
You stand high above the community madness with your insight. We are in a very tricky place, where only Deci and Porro offer the consistency we need from our senior players. Madders, Son and Romero need to do more and be much better to allow this young team to thrive. I totally agree with you about last night. We go again in the next round happy to avoid the banana skin. Cup football is never plain sailing whatever team you put out, but we got through it and gave players time on the pitch who haven't had a chance yet. We have to back Ange and give this season the same patience we had last season. New players take time to settle, and we're still rebuilding
Absolutely agree. As scary as it is, we do have to pull the bandaid off and get some game time for the rest of the squad. Very much a rebuild and will take some time and patience.
Werner was poor, Sarr was poor and Son had another game where he went unnoticed. Davies is too slow at the back now, but you can’t fault his effort and what he lacks at pace he makes up for with determination.
wingers were shit cause they were isolated, need more support from wingbacks do overlap and shit, u cant expect them go 1v2 or even 1v1 since them from pretty much B team
@@TheMaulam12345 its because ange is obsessed with the full backs inverting. We would see the real Sonny if Udogie overlapped a few times so sonny can cut inside and shoot, thats his strength but he's being wasted. Surely we dont need both to invert, especially with teams figuring us out
@rcr03 Imo I would drop Porro deep and Udogie to cut in with the front three since but we're talking about two fullbacks with their own set of strengths when it comes to attacking, defending they are hit or miss.
Look it wasn’t great the game but this game I can see our season lift from here. Mentality is our issue but once we believe we should have more performance like kulu. COYS
Ange was in a tough spot trying to get players game time. And when you have 3 young players that need to play for development (gray playing out of position) and solanke that have just come to the club and are trying to learn anges positional style and sarr, Werner and bentancur who arent in good form. It was always going to be a bit of a struggle/shambles but again what do you do not play the young ones and stunt there development not play sarr who needs games to try and build confidence/ time to regain form.
Definitely in a tough spot, but it had to be done. If we are going to be in anyway competitive in both the Prem and Europa, as well as cups, we need to get these bench and young players up to speed as soon as possible. While there were plenty of rusty and dusty players in that lineup, it was still a lineup mainly made up of very experienced senior players: Solanke, Werner, Bentancur, Sarr, Davies, Udogie, Forester Even when looking at the younger guys out there, we've got Gray who is an experienced championship player that has faced Coventry multiple times. Radu, who many fans have been begging to see more of, and who is not lacking in experience himself. Then Bergval, who although lacked for exposure at this level, was one of the bright spots in that starting 11. Coventry are no slouch and this was never going to be an easy game, but that starting 11 when playing at their potential, could look like a drastically different side. Everyone is singing Kulucevski's praises now, but there were countless times last season when fans were very critical of his poor performances. He has shown a massive amount of growth in a short period, and many of our other players are going to do the same. But, this is a process and is going to be bumpy at times while we get there.
I'm not Ange out yet but its worrying the lack of player buy in onfield. The team isnt working together as a team and they look unhappy. There's a lack of creativity and dare. Ange looks bloody miserable as well so there are some major problems down there. The club doesnt look cohesive and happy. Ange is starting to make too many rookie errors with team selection. His stubborness is gonna be his downfall imo. In saying that whoever is doing the recruitment at the club should be shown the door as there is too many average players brought in on big fees.
Yeah I get that mate, think we're lacking a real cutting edge. Huge lack of cohesion last night as a result of making 8 changes. Has to learn from that and he got away with it. Hopefully we go on a run now. COYS.
anybody dig here why last season with bissouma, udogie and other newcomers right after transfer window played first matches amazingly strong as if they'd trained and played a couple of seasons --- we looked like could destroy almost anyone in europe! this courage has entirely gone!! why?
@@SuperBromberg i'd say it's because everyone has learnt our system. Those first 10 games teams didn't know what to expect. Now they just sit back and hit us in the counter. Even championship teams figured it out. This is because ange doesn't change tactics making him predictable. You know the full backs are going to invert, wingers stay wide etc. Not to mention this system doesn't suit the players like sonny or johnson
Usually agree with all of your analysis, but I think you missed the fact that both goals were the most Angeball patterns of play this season, full back running intomspacemin the box from inverted midfield and pressing to win back ball and attack right away...lots of hope but need to start Kulu in Europe
Exactly, not to use the term like everybody, but those patterns of play that led to the goals were "prime angeball", to play this way the team needs to be brave, it feels like the team learnt the system and then said okay, we know what to do, all good let's just autopilot. We need to be brave.
I like it when fans with a voice like you aren't too negative. Let's not all be patient and trust the process, lord knows that's the issue with Tottenham, we rarely give managers two seasons to settle in before giving them shit, and that's what needs to change!
The thing about selection is that Ange has an eye for the next run - in. Minutes restriction were clearly put in. As for there being poor cohesion etc spot on
Good show, Ben. Appreciate your analysis and approach. Agree that there was a massive shift when our 1st team joined the attack... which is a bit concerning. This system requires highlevel adaptability ala Madders, Kulu and Sonny, that we have yet to see from the bench. I love Ange, but am concerned that his system is a bit too complex for the players we have. Too many variables, and too much improvisation. I'm hopeful he can develop these attributes into the squad, but recognize that this sort of football IQ, at the highest level inaworld, is not necessarily something you can teach every player. As far as Kulu is concerned I think we could play him anywhere across the front, as long as those around him can be as flexible as he is with their movement and approach. If we need to play more mechanically due to the challenges of the other attackers, I believe Kulu centrally in the 8 & 10, or striker if Solanke/Richie not available.
I love the way kulu plays takes risks with passes and shots thats what gives us wins he has that winning mentality our tactics makes our players underperform the way our high line is it makes it harder for our players to shine like they did at their past clubs which is worrying the high line needs to go down for our tactics to work cuz to me the tactical setting is genius 👌 if you think about it but the line has to go down for all the movement and penetration to work Cuz if our line goes down the opposition must come to mark the Defenders opening up space for players to pass this is all we need
I want Kulu in midfield with Maddison and either Gray Bergvall or Bissouma at No.6. Bentancur can be subbed in for Maddison or Kulu if they get tired later in the game. On the wings Son and Johnson and Solanke up top. Van Der ven and Romero seem irreplaceable with Udogie and Porro as wingbacks. Spence is a good back up as either wingback. Vicario must start with Austin as the back up. Sorry but Forster scares the sh** out of me every time he touches the ball.
Love your bit on finding the positives in each game. Too many fans are just getting wildly angry at the manager and the players which is destroying the confidence of the team as a whole (ie Johnson). We want our players to play with bravery but how can they be brave if we crucify them after every bad touch? Criticism is valid but what good do we think comes out of cursing out every player on twitter after every game?
Don't know why son on the right and Brennan on the left wouldn't work. Son is good with both feet and has better finishing than Brennan. Brennan would be better at dribbling and finishing on his main foot on the left.
We learned that when we actually move the ball fast and with purpose we are dangerous and create chances , instead of that slow passing round the back coming out slow allowing teams to get back into there defensive shape. like we did early on when Ange took over quick one and two touch passes going forward. most teams you watch attack with pace and purpose , direct . we have decided that`s not for us for some reason . we need to get back to the fast moving ball quick movement of players then he system works
The most worrying thing about that game was less about the quality (because it’s always going to be impacted by fringe players and lots of changes), but more about the obvious lack of commitment and body language of the team as a whole. No intensity, no desire, no personality. Incredibly passive and soft bellied. Where are the leaders, where is the desire to win duels, to dominate 50/50s. Really worrying.
Timo isolated until Jed came on, the left side is a problem. Sad no cwntreback signings, Van De Ven crashing the box as a leftback would be some weapon.
The inability to play through the lines, especially fluidy around the box has been a huge problem for most of the postecoglu era. I remember seeing it first against our late 2-1 win against Sheffield utd at the start of last season. Quickly a lot of teams started to sit deeper against us. At celtic he was reliant on the wingers isolating the full back and winning their 1 v 1's, but at this level defences block deep and narrow, so even if the fullback is beaten there's no space for the winger to move into. I'm not postecoglu out but he's ignorantly stubborn. The system needs serious adaptation to work.
I was disappointed by many of the players in that second half. So many where hiding especially Gray but I'll allow it coz he's young but Werner , Sarr and the others have to do better. Only Bergvall , Kulu and Madders seem to have any creativity
My biggest issue is we are asking to play championship league football with championship players. Werner not good enough, Solanke not good enough, Richarlison never fit. Bergvall learning, Johnson learning Odobert learning. Son coming to the end of his career. We should be bench marking some of these players to other teams that we are fighting for top 4 with. Aston villa etc I do not see 1 player in our front 4 that would get in the WHU team let alone Aston
We’ve already progressed further than last season. Yes we dodged a bullet, but from this time last year we went on our run. 🤞an ugly win is just what we needed. The coaching staff and Ange will have learned a lot and we’ll see some tweaks I bet
There needs to be rotation, it’s the first round of a cup if we cant win with a B team we deserve to lose it’s up to the owners to back the manager. If we run a starting line up we’re putting unnecessary mileage on their legs we should’ve dusted them
This game just proved that we lack the squad to compete in more than one competition. Shows how poor our window was...I fear what will happen when we start our europa league campaign and have games every three days. The only positive we can take from this is we won. Everything else was poor
Porro should have started at RB and Gray,Bentancur and Bergvall should have been in midfield. Shame about Odobert, because we haven’t seen the best of him yet.
Whilst it's true that lb showed for the ball and was brave and I agree he's going to be a big player for us, looking at the game itself he lost possession quite a lot and was a big reason for a lot of our problems on the night
Its a bit harsh to play the younger players surrouded by weaker players than the first team and expect a top shelf performance.. Ange should include EVERY game rather than swap out 6 to 8 in cup games
It's obvious why there isn't enough cutting edge in the squad. Solanke and Richy haven't been settled in the team. Wait two more games with solanke and watch it all change.
tbh i always felt iffy about dragusin, sometimes he just seems so bad on the ball but when he played against newcastle i took him off fraud watch, ngl tho hes back on fraud watch
Ben, we learned that we don't have a single wide player suited to this system. Johnson can't do it, Son can't do it, Werner can't do it, Kulusevski can't do it, Odobert a huge "?" and now crocked with an injury. Johnson and Son are best suited to systems that counter-attack where they can run onto the ball. Johnson looks dangerous every time he's in that situation --case in point his goal. When we have the ball and are dominating possession , this system requires two "touchline wingers" who can dribble 1v1. We simply don't have those players. Werner's loan should be terminated in January and we need to go back into the market looking for players suited to this system.
disgraceful we didn't do anything to solve it. It was so evident last year. Instead we sign odobert and call it a day. We can sign solanke but theres no point if the wingers cant get the ball to him
People complaining about ange’s “suicide ball” now complain that its safe. If arsenal did what we did yesterday (as they did against us last sunday) everybody would praise them for getting results
Yes, our GK situation is dreadful... Forster no thank you, Austin league one level and poor boy Whiteman didn't even manage to be first choice keeper in swedish semi-pro side Degerfors when on loan two seasons ago. We're ONE injury away from disaster!!! 😂 But... we are through to the next round! Yaaaay!!! 🎉😅🤪🎯🏆
Fitness i guess? He has to play on Saturday so i imagine he'd make the call pregame that he wasn't going past 60. I was similarly frustrated to have maddison on and solanke off in the same moment... He got nothing from our midfield for the whole time he was on
Whiteman is club trained, he doesn't take a slot. It's a choice between Forster and Spence (or another first team squad player) and clearly whiteman and Austin aren't trusted.
just drop the backline a few yards back and it will be a winning formula. and the risky playing out the back from the keeper shit definitely needs to go
I've watched loads of post match reactions and in nearly every one of them the host/hosts are criticising every decision Ange is making and it is not just this match . you all keep saying ''I'm not Ange out'' imo. everybody is frightened to admit to themselves Ange and ''Angeball'' is not working. Ange himself has said he won't change I believe he can't change. I would be lining up Thomas Frank if I was DL.
My issue with Ange was not only did he make too many changes, he keeps playing players out of position. Why didn’t Spence start on the right and grey in CM ? How can you judge players when they aren’t in their preferred positions. Proper frustrating
You cannot play such a high line at the back if you are going to start slow players. It was too easy to play through balls and their quick players getting there first.
Slower players at the back is a non issue when there is more cohesion in the mid field and up front. When those areas of the field are firing and we are able to complete progressive passing without losing possession, we could have someone in the back with Dier's pace and it wouldn't be a complete disaster.
Forster is fukn terrible. Werner awful. Sarr awful. We need to play Bergval at 8 and Kulu at 10. Solanke awful. Why haven't we got a better backup keeper? We need Richie back fit as Solanke looks like a bad buy.
Bit hypocritical to say you liked Bergvall dropping in to the 6 but when Maddison does it he’s slowing us down and is criticized, doesn’t really make sense to me 😅 On to Brentford now COYS
The catalyst for Spurs coming back from the dead was firstly The Jedi and then Kulu. Both showed they have the eye of the tiger and a will to win. Despite AnGes crap system of play. Theses 2 boys step up. Plenty of respect to Brennan he showed his courage with that goal after the abuse.
Where should Dejan Kulusevski play for Tottenham? ⭐
10/8
in the 10
Keeper??! 😄👌
Can we clone him? He's our best player with quite some distance at the moment...
I would actually say he's our best nr 7, 8, 9, and 10 (7 being RW)
Kulu seems like the only attacker willing to try things atm. Everyone else seems too scared to try the risky pass or to be the one to make things happen and take that responsibility.
Totally agree mate
He should be the captain as he's always up for it and doesn't drop his head
?? Do the same analysis in the previous game. How awful he was against Arsenal. Are you kidding me??!!
@@BenBowman_ i also agree with the to much rotation,ange also mentioned this in the interview aswell, grey n berg n odobert should start the rest should be first team players maybe - romero for dragusin and we should rotate once we have a lead
Maddison and Kulu did really well when they came on. Johnson took his goal well. I’d like to see Gray at no.6
Bergvall was good. He always tries to make himself available and has a lot of energy.
A couple of things: 1. we have got to be able to make changes to the squad, particularly against lower level cup competition. Those squad players have got to take their chance when it is given to them. 2. I do not understand the hate that Kulu gets from our fans. It makes me mental. I don't consider myself a football savant, but I do not understand how our fanbase does not see his quality. He is undroppable for me.
The media and the footballing world are desperate for the Aussie upstart to fail. Arteta 5 seasons and counting, Pep 3(?) Klopp was it 5?
Grow up people. Football and life are not instagram.
Don’t buy into the media narrative. Grow a pair and stick with your club
Totally agree mate
Spot on, well said.
This is not true. If anything the media are still on Anges side. His results are why fans are starting to turn. At some point he has to show progress. The form in 2024 is pathetic.
Coventry Manager Mark Robins after the game, "I think they are really well managed by the way. I think he is a top manager, Ange.
The way they play is a really good way of playing, which will bring them good results, but that’s the nature of where we are in life really. People want everything yesterday and it’s ridiculous really."
This is how I feel about Ange.
You stand high above the community madness with your insight. We are in a very tricky place, where only Deci and Porro offer the consistency we need from our senior players. Madders, Son and Romero need to do more and be much better to allow this young team to thrive.
I totally agree with you about last night. We go again in the next round happy to avoid the banana skin. Cup football is never plain sailing whatever team you put out, but we got through it and gave players time on the pitch who haven't had a chance yet.
We have to back Ange and give this season the same patience we had last season. New players take time to settle, and we're still rebuilding
Absolutely agree. As scary as it is, we do have to pull the bandaid off and get some game time for the rest of the squad.
Very much a rebuild and will take some time and patience.
Werner was poor, Sarr was poor and Son had another game where he went unnoticed. Davies is too slow at the back now, but you can’t fault his effort and what he lacks at pace he makes up for with determination.
wingers were shit cause they were isolated, need more support from wingbacks do overlap and shit, u cant expect them go 1v2 or even 1v1 since them from pretty much B team
@@TheMaulam12345 its because ange is obsessed with the full backs inverting. We would see the real Sonny if Udogie overlapped a few times so sonny can cut inside and shoot, thats his strength but he's being wasted. Surely we dont need both to invert, especially with teams figuring us out
@rcr03 Imo I would drop Porro deep and Udogie to cut in with the front three since but we're talking about two fullbacks with their own set of strengths when it comes to attacking, defending they are hit or miss.
Look it wasn’t great the game but this game I can see our season lift from here. Mentality is our issue but once we believe we should have more performance like kulu. COYS
Excellent analysis Ben. Kulu clearly our best forward player rigjt now
we got away with one last nigjt. Too many changes to start with!
Thanks mate
Would love to see Bergvall & Kulu paired in midfield. It could be special.
Ange was in a tough spot trying to get players game time. And when you have 3 young players that need to play for development (gray playing out of position) and solanke that have just come to the club and are trying to learn anges positional style and sarr, Werner and bentancur who arent in good form. It was always going to be a bit of a struggle/shambles but again what do you do not play the young ones and stunt there development not play sarr who needs games to try and build confidence/ time to regain form.
Definitely in a tough spot, but it had to be done. If we are going to be in anyway competitive in both the Prem and Europa, as well as cups, we need to get these bench and young players up to speed as soon as possible.
While there were plenty of rusty and dusty players in that lineup, it was still a lineup mainly made up of very experienced senior players: Solanke, Werner, Bentancur, Sarr, Davies, Udogie, Forester
Even when looking at the younger guys out there, we've got Gray who is an experienced championship player that has faced Coventry multiple times. Radu, who many fans have been begging to see more of, and who is not lacking in experience himself. Then Bergval, who although lacked for exposure at this level, was one of the bright spots in that starting 11.
Coventry are no slouch and this was never going to be an easy game, but that starting 11 when playing at their potential, could look like a drastically different side.
Everyone is singing Kulucevski's praises now, but there were countless times last season when fans were very critical of his poor performances. He has shown a massive amount of growth in a short period, and many of our other players are going to do the same. But, this is a process and is going to be bumpy at times while we get there.
I'm not Ange out yet but its worrying the lack of player buy in onfield. The team isnt working together as a team and they look unhappy. There's a lack of creativity and dare. Ange looks bloody miserable as well so there are some major problems down there. The club doesnt look cohesive and happy. Ange is starting to make too many rookie errors with team selection. His stubborness is gonna be his downfall imo. In saying that whoever is doing the recruitment at the club should be shown the door as there is too many average players brought in on big fees.
Yeah I get that mate, think we're lacking a real cutting edge. Huge lack of cohesion last night as a result of making 8 changes. Has to learn from that and he got away with it. Hopefully we go on a run now. COYS.
anybody dig here why last season with bissouma, udogie and other newcomers right after transfer window played first matches amazingly strong as if they'd trained and played a couple of seasons --- we looked like could destroy almost anyone in europe! this courage has entirely gone!! why?
@@SuperBromberg i'd say it's because everyone has learnt our system. Those first 10 games teams didn't know what to expect. Now they just sit back and hit us in the counter. Even championship teams figured it out. This is because ange doesn't change tactics making him predictable. You know the full backs are going to invert, wingers stay wide etc. Not to mention this system doesn't suit the players like sonny or johnson
Usually agree with all of your analysis, but I think you missed the fact that both goals were the most Angeball patterns of play this season, full back running intomspacemin the box from inverted midfield and pressing to win back ball and attack right away...lots of hope but need to start Kulu in Europe
Exactly, not to use the term like everybody, but those patterns of play that led to the goals were "prime angeball", to play this way the team needs to be brave, it feels like the team learnt the system and then said okay, we know what to do, all good let's just autopilot. We need to be brave.
I like it when fans with a voice like you aren't too negative. Let's not all be patient and trust the process, lord knows that's the issue with Tottenham, we rarely give managers two seasons to settle in before giving them shit, and that's what needs to change!
The thing about selection is that Ange has an eye for the next run - in. Minutes restriction were clearly put in. As for there being poor cohesion etc spot on
Good show, Ben. Appreciate your analysis and approach. Agree that there was a massive shift when our 1st team joined the attack... which is a bit concerning. This system requires highlevel adaptability ala Madders, Kulu and Sonny, that we have yet to see from the bench. I love Ange, but am concerned that his system is a bit too complex for the players we have. Too many variables, and too much improvisation. I'm hopeful he can develop these attributes into the squad, but recognize that this sort of football IQ, at the highest level inaworld, is not necessarily something you can teach every player. As far as Kulu is concerned I think we could play him anywhere across the front, as long as those around him can be as flexible as he is with their movement and approach. If we need to play more mechanically due to the challenges of the other attackers, I believe Kulu centrally in the 8 & 10, or striker if Solanke/Richie not available.
I love the way kulu plays takes risks with passes and shots thats what gives us wins he has that winning mentality our tactics makes our players underperform the way our
high line is it makes it harder for our players to shine like they did at their past clubs which is worrying the
high line needs to go down for our tactics to work cuz to me the tactical setting is genius 👌 if you think about it but the line has to go down for all the movement and penetration to work
Cuz if our line goes down the opposition must come to mark the
Defenders opening up space for players to pass this is all we need
Kulu and bergvall will be a cracking attacking pair.
I want Kulu in midfield with Maddison and either Gray Bergvall or Bissouma at No.6. Bentancur can be subbed in for Maddison or Kulu if they get tired later in the game. On the wings Son and Johnson and Solanke up top. Van Der ven and Romero seem irreplaceable with Udogie and Porro as wingbacks. Spence is a good back up as either wingback. Vicario must start with Austin as the back up. Sorry but Forster scares the sh** out of me every time he touches the ball.
Johnsons goal looked like he get 6 of those every training session.. its what Ange must see behind closed doors COYS
Love your bit on finding the positives in each game. Too many fans are just getting wildly angry at the manager and the players which is destroying the confidence of the team as a whole (ie Johnson). We want our players to play with bravery but how can they be brave if we crucify them after every bad touch? Criticism is valid but what good do we think comes out of cursing out every player on twitter after every game?
Totally agree lad
I disagree that Deki is an Anti-Ange player, on the wing maybe but I think hes the perfect profile as one of the 8s
Anti-Ange winger I think I said or certainly meant, but I hear you
Don't know why son on the right and Brennan on the left wouldn't work. Son is good with both feet and has better finishing than Brennan. Brennan would be better at dribbling and finishing on his main foot on the left.
We learned that when we actually move the ball fast and with purpose we are dangerous and create chances , instead of that slow passing round the back coming out slow allowing teams to get back into there defensive shape. like we did early on when Ange took over quick one and two touch passes going forward. most teams you watch attack with pace and purpose , direct . we have decided that`s not for us for some reason . we need to get back to the fast moving ball quick movement of players then he system works
The most worrying thing about that game was less about the quality (because it’s always going to be impacted by fringe players and lots of changes), but more about the obvious lack of commitment and body language of the team as a whole. No intensity, no desire, no personality. Incredibly passive and soft bellied. Where are the leaders, where is the desire to win duels, to dominate 50/50s. Really worrying.
Timo isolated until Jed came on, the left side is a problem. Sad no cwntreback signings, Van De Ven crashing the box as a leftback would be some weapon.
The goals we scored yesterday are not the kind of goals Ange intends to score in the system... how do you fix that issue?
Ben Bowman and “flow state”. Name a more iconic duo 😉
Hahaha I'm gonna trademark it
The inability to play through the lines, especially fluidy around the box has been a huge problem for most of the postecoglu era. I remember seeing it first against our late 2-1 win against Sheffield utd at the start of last season. Quickly a lot of teams started to sit deeper against us.
At celtic he was reliant on the wingers isolating the full back and winning their 1 v 1's, but at this level defences block deep and narrow, so even if the fullback is beaten there's no space for the winger to move into. I'm not postecoglu out but he's ignorantly stubborn. The system needs serious adaptation to work.
I was disappointed by many of the players in that second half. So many where hiding especially Gray but I'll allow it coz he's young but Werner , Sarr and the others have to do better. Only Bergvall , Kulu and Madders seem to have any creativity
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My biggest issue is we are asking to play championship league football with championship players. Werner not good enough, Solanke not good enough, Richarlison never fit. Bergvall learning, Johnson learning Odobert learning. Son coming to the end of his career. We should be bench marking some of these players to other teams that we are fighting for top 4 with. Aston villa etc I do not see 1 player in our front 4 that would get in the WHU team let alone Aston
Forster should help with the coaching and retire.
With all the games in the next couple of weeks, how do you get through them without using your squad players?
Every thing could be different that’s football.
We’ve already progressed further than last season. Yes we dodged a bullet, but from this time last year we went on our run.
🤞an ugly win is just what we needed. The coaching staff and Ange will have learned a lot and we’ll see some tweaks I bet
I think we should play a back 3 because we seem open too many times. We are terrible at corners too. We can’t defend them and get bullied.
There needs to be rotation, it’s the first round of a cup if we cant win with a B team we deserve to lose it’s up to the owners to back the manager. If we run a starting line up we’re putting unnecessary mileage on their legs we should’ve dusted them
There has to be a good solid reason re Spence and the europa squad that we don't know about, has to be
I would really like to put our best out and give our 2nd string a game to lose rather than a game that needs rescuing.
This game just proved that we lack the squad to compete in more than one competition. Shows how poor our window was...I fear what will happen when we start our europa league campaign and have games every three days. The only positive we can take from this is we won. Everything else was poor
I learned nothing yesterday.
I already know what i need to know. And so do most of the teams we play against.
Porro should have started at RB and Gray,Bentancur and Bergvall should have been in midfield. Shame about Odobert, because we haven’t seen the best of him yet.
I think we should play a second striker off the CF and son or kulu can do that aswell as maddison or brennan.
Whilst it's true that lb showed for the ball and was brave and I agree he's going to be a big player for us, looking at the game itself he lost possession quite a lot and was a big reason for a lot of our problems on the night
Its a bit harsh to play the younger players surrouded by weaker players than the first team and expect a top shelf performance.. Ange should include EVERY game rather than swap out 6 to 8 in cup games
Deki should be 8
It's obvious why there isn't enough cutting edge in the squad. Solanke and Richy haven't been settled in the team. Wait two more games with solanke and watch it all change.
tbh i always felt iffy about dragusin, sometimes he just seems so bad on the ball but when he played against newcastle i took him off fraud watch, ngl tho hes back on fraud watch
If kulu had two feet he'd be a fantastic player
Ben, we learned that we don't have a single wide player suited to this system. Johnson can't do it, Son can't do it, Werner can't do it, Kulusevski can't do it, Odobert a huge "?" and now crocked with an injury. Johnson and Son are best suited to systems that counter-attack where they can run onto the ball. Johnson looks dangerous every time he's in that situation --case in point his goal. When we have the ball and are dominating possession , this system requires two "touchline wingers" who can dribble 1v1. We simply don't have those players. Werner's loan should be terminated in January and we need to go back into the market looking for players suited to this system.
disgraceful we didn't do anything to solve it. It was so evident last year. Instead we sign odobert and call it a day. We can sign solanke but theres no point if the wingers cant get the ball to him
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Son made no impact. Maddison and Kulu did though
People complaining about ange’s “suicide ball” now complain that its safe. If arsenal did what we did yesterday (as they did against us last sunday) everybody would praise them for getting results
Difference is we didn't look solid at the back at all - main difference between us and Arsenal is lack of leadership.
@@BenBowman_Ben Davies got no leadership values. Too much backpass too. I dont stay up at 3am to watch that kind of shite.
Yes, our GK situation is dreadful... Forster no thank you, Austin league one level and poor boy Whiteman didn't even manage to be first choice keeper in swedish semi-pro side Degerfors when on loan two seasons ago. We're ONE injury away from disaster!!! 😂
But... we are through to the next round! Yaaaay!!! 🎉😅🤪🎯🏆
Couldn’t understand why Solanke came off when we were 1 down.
Fitness i guess? He has to play on Saturday so i imagine he'd make the call pregame that he wasn't going past 60. I was similarly frustrated to have maddison on and solanke off in the same moment... He got nothing from our midfield for the whole time he was on
I think it's an issue with the quality Ben, would love to see Moore get minutes this weekend
Lacking a real cutting edge at the moment, think Kulu is the only one close to providing that
Need to rotate so everyone else can get to Kuku levels
I'm pretty sure son would be the most important player if Ange didn't play him as a wise wingsr
Forster was shocking. Nice guy but Austin is better. Handling was dodgy, passing out rubbish. He made the defence nervous.
Exactly. I was hoping we put him as last backup since last season. He was slow and sloppy
this is what i was about to say//// we need to get rid of him immediately, sorry fraser but this is unacceptable (c)(A.Conte)
How the heck Spence is not in uel squad, Whiteman is
that is the Crime of the Century
Whiteman is club trained, he doesn't take a slot. It's a choice between Forster and Spence (or another first team squad player) and clearly whiteman and Austin aren't trusted.
Both their wingers, Assante and Wright, MILES better than Werner. I would have either one of them at Spurs.
just drop the backline a few yards back and it will be a winning formula.
and the risky playing out the back from the keeper shit definitely needs to go
Have you watched any successful major sides in the last 10 years.
Werner is the MVP as he got injured at the right time and Brennan was sub in to score the winner for us. 😜😜
Johnson was subbed in for Odobert however
Never bagged Werner before but he had a shocker.
I've watched loads of post match reactions and in nearly every one of them the host/hosts are criticising every decision Ange is making and it is not just this match . you all keep saying ''I'm not Ange out'' imo. everybody is frightened to admit to themselves Ange and ''Angeball'' is not working. Ange himself has said he won't change I believe he can't change. I would be lining up Thomas Frank if I was DL.
My issue with Ange was not only did he make too many changes, he keeps playing players out of position. Why didn’t Spence start on the right and grey in CM ? How can you judge players when they aren’t in their preferred positions. Proper frustrating
COYS!!
COYS
I would defy anyone to come up with a good reason why we are paying werner, any reason would do
You cannot play such a high line at the back if you are going to start slow players. It was too easy to play through balls and their quick players getting there first.
Slower players at the back is a non issue when there is more cohesion in the mid field and up front. When those areas of the field are firing and we are able to complete progressive passing without losing possession, we could have someone in the back with Dier's pace and it wouldn't be a complete disaster.
Forster is fukn terrible. Werner awful. Sarr awful. We need to play Bergval at 8 and Kulu at 10. Solanke awful. Why haven't we got a better backup keeper? We need Richie back fit as Solanke looks like a bad buy.
Solanke got 0 service whatsoever last night. He's not been awful at all.
@@BenBowman_ It's not a Solanke issue, at least not yet. Plain to see the issue is with the wide players.
Solanke looks really good to me. Hold up, movement, pressing. He's had 0 service, actual 0.
Bit hypocritical to say you liked Bergvall dropping in to the 6 but when Maddison does it he’s slowing us down and is criticized, doesn’t really make sense to me 😅
On to Brentford now COYS
Totally different players, I don’t have an issue with Maddison going and getting the ball of the goalkeeper at all or the centre halves
Why do Spurs always hire coaches with a rigid formation? All the best coaches change based on opponent! We are the only team who hire these people
The catalyst for Spurs coming back from the dead was firstly The Jedi and then Kulu. Both showed they have the eye of the tiger and a will to win. Despite AnGes crap system of play. Theses 2 boys step up. Plenty of respect to Brennan he showed his courage with that goal after the abuse.
What we learned is Ange will be sacked soon. Brentford, United and Brighton. He cannot lose any of those games.
What we learnt is that we r still shit and will win nothing