HSE: Jake English, P4
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Lets talk about the boys.
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So, Jake and Dirk's love comes from both getting out the best of one another...sort of.
Jake giving Dirk the posibility of being a knight and a good person, and Dirk giving Jake protection so he can be that heroic adventurer he so badly wanted to be
After all the four videos you did of explaining their relationship. I have found my new favorite ship. Dirk is amazing, Jake very cool too. The big heart Energy and the big hope Energy.
Obama would be proud
God, i love jake so much....... thank you for this in depth analysis of him! It really does hit on so many of the reasons why he's my favorite character, and it even adds on the reasons! A lot of people dismiss him, his characters arc, and his importance, and it always upset me. But, seeing someones like you go so in depth with him and his relationships, romantic or otherwise made me so happy! Thank you so, so much!
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Jake got absolutely dunked on in both routes of the epilogues, poor guy didn't deserve it...
Just can't catch a break
another parallel between jake and buttercup: they both have green as their signature color
except im talkin abt the one from ppg but come on it counts
"All fanfics are cannon now." I am ready to die laughing because it's friggin trUe. XD
haven't watched this yet but liking for the thumbnail. The princess bride is a godsend
man i dont know why but the "my mango is to blow up and act like i dont know no body" guy is probably a prince
i guess a prince of void because hes trying to act like he dosent know no body
hes a prince of void because he destroys through the veil of secrets
but yeah thats just my theroy
I know this was from two years ago, but be aware that this affected me deeply
The “inverse activates pages” thing holds up because even though he never got tiers, Tavros’s “true potential” is reached when he does the very blood-like thing of bringing together the army
He doesn't really "bring them together", as much as "motivates them to do a thing".
lord buss let me have my moment
@@tidecovill6718 I think it's like achieving the state when you can act as an inverse aspect in order to accomplish the goals of your true aspect??
Interesting choice to dig into the Epilogues before tackling Dirk Strider and how *he* is tremendously misunderstood. That feels like some important groundwork, given how the Epilogues change many aspects of his character.
Wait, did we get confirmation about Jake embracing his negative feelings in the masterpiece? I think I forgot that
Yes. Caliborn describes Jake as throwing a tantrum about it, so its pretty clear he was pissed! Its an easy detail to miss, but heres the quote:
"THE CRYBABY IN THE YELLOW PANTIES GOT UPSET WITH ME. THAT I WAS WAILING SO EXCELLENTLY ON HIS INCREASINGLY BATTERED PRETTYBOY NINJA STUD.
>AND BY UPSET.
I MEAN HE THREW A FULLY FLEDGED TANTRUM OF *PURE HOPE*."
@@optimisticDuelist Oh. Would he also be acting in a more passive way, like a knight, then? Like having the possitive qualities of a knight of rage and page of hope, using his negative feelings as a tool to guide his determination.
Maybe this is a part of the page's arc, like how Tavros becomes a leader. He also takes control of the ghost army instead of 'guiding them', so he's rping as a blood.
(Btw. Sorry, gotta talk more on the discord. It's just that I don't have anything good enough to say, but I'm working on an idea)
Rage is a little more complicated than "negative feelings". Rage is all the unpleasant things that exist in reality and you must confront, opposed to Hope, the things you imagine be yourself and want to be true.
all four of these videos just reawakened my love for jake and jake and dirks relationship and dynamic together its very good
So is John the only good hetro
Meh, I'd say he's ace. The closest he gets to romance a a few kissmessitudes with some of the trolls
@@bookworm3696 i guess
might be the toblerone talking, but i think john is june now, no?
@@jenny_azoth it’s like June is a part of cannon but non cannon though ether way no homestuck this year
A very much needed analysis overall, you've definitely put a serviceable explication for Jake's English character arc and relationships.
What ultimately comes down with Jake as an individual is that, he has a massive potential for greatness that can truly only be fulfilled only with a sense of guidance and security that he's hardly able to gather from himself,
as he consistently tries to avoid or ignore accountability and the burden of responsibility for his actions, which is why he and Dirk could parasite that well together and fullfil each other, but Dirk is still an obstacle to himself and his own relationship with Jake due to the nature of his self.
Quite the Conjuncture with them ay? Can't wait for that Epilogue Video.
So, as far as we know we always had the worst version of Dirk. Only thanks to Jake we could see some of his most positive moments.
As a fan of Dirk it makes me think a lot about how broken he is and how much the Epilogue makes sense to me
dirkjake was always my otp ever since the start
So if jake (page of hope) unlocked his hope powers by learning to embrace rage will xefros(possible page of rage) learn to unleash his rage by embracing hope?
Probably.
Understanding the opposite aspect is actually really important for any class.
@@lordbuss yeah, you're probably right
When you do your analysis of the Epilogue, please, please explain to me the deep lore of Candy Obama because I am a very lost boy
Haha.
I love this fandom
I hate how manipulative Jake can be but I did always feel bad for the socially inept little dude. This series only cements both feeling, so I guess you're spot on about hope being the joining for conflicting ideas and emotions.
"I am Brain Ghost Dirk."
"You kissed my boyfriend."
"Prepare to die."
_W H E E Z E_
Judging by your series of videos which does so justice to Jake, it seems he's really defined by his relationships more than as a person
I adore your channel, i swear. Keep up the good job!!
I am excited for your Pumpkin Path far more than any person should be excited about anything.
This has singlehandedly convinced me to IGNORE THE EPILOGUES THEY DO NOT EXIST THEY DO NOT EXIST-
That's the beauty of Homestuck Post-Canon: an infinite plenitude of possibilities. Canon is no longer a concern. Alpha Timelines? The fuck are those. There are infinite possibilities. Some people are happy in one potentiality, other people are happy in another. There's probably a universe where everything is wonderful forever just due to the law of averages - a one in 2,578,917 miracle, let's say - but it's just not one that the author is interested in detailing. The mere fact that we got diverging timelines for Epilogues at all, and that neither of those Epilogues is "canon", nor is that a word that *means anything* anymore, is my favorite part about how they were written. I know you don't want to talk about them in your videos, but I see this bit of metatextual beauty as another reason why you shouldn't, at least for now. Post-Canon, anything can be true or untrue. Anything can happen or not happen. As much as that seems to terrify the Epilogues' antagonist, I think it's a kind of ultimate freedom, and also, asks for a very different kind of analysis from what you do in this series.
As for the point of the video: Jake loves Dirk. That's not shipping, that's an irrefutable fact I am stating for the record.
Also holy hell Jake is Buttercup? That's funny considering the cowardly hunter who's the antagonist of that film...
I don't think the angels are an indicator of a doomed timeline since they were also on Eridan's planet (another hope player), granted those angels were the one that caused Eridan's madness at the meteor.
Great video as always :) I never thought about jakes relationship like that before.
I was wondering if you were gonna do a video on the news about hiveswap act 2?
Your videos are fantastic!
SHITTING MYSELF EXCITED ABOUT PUMPKIN PATH!!!!!!!!! Can't wait till it's out dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :'D
I have the same classpect as Jake so I love this series
thanks for making these videos. i used to hate jake because i couldnt understand him, but i stumbled upon your blog and read a lot of your posts and started to like him more, and these videos have helped me completely set aside my initial hatred and truly start liking him (quite a lot actually)
The dislikes were from Aranea and Crockertier Jane
You say that Brain Ghost Dirk is not a Dirk Splinter, but the problem is that BGD is wearing Dirk's God Tier outfit, even though Jake still haven't seen it. How is it possible ?
I'd say that there's one explanation possible for Dirk not contacting BGD : BGD doesn't anything that he could use to contact Dirk. Dirk definitely knows BGD is a splinter, since when Jake disappeared from the dream bubble where he was punching Meenah, Dirk's Dream Self took BGD's place (And it's certainly the real Dream Dirk, because of two things : One, he can't leave the dream bubble, since it's actually his Dream Self's dream [both his Waking and Dreaming Selves are knocked out], and two, at this point, Jake doesn't know how a Dream Self look like, much less a Dersite Dream Self)
BGD is clearly a Dirk splinter, that isn't what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that Alpha Dirk's agency and thought patterns don't have much to do with BGD, because Jake summoned the latter to fulfill his own desires. As for how Jake would know about the God Tier outfit, Jake is strongly implied to be basically omniscient on some level and his Hope powers are maxed out. I think its reasonable to guess his subconscious connection to paradox space is responsible for that.
BGD is absolutely a Dirk splinter. It's just one that Dirk has almost no awareness of, and definitely no control over. Although, really, Dirk doesn't have control over ANY of his splinters, with the sole exception of he simultaneously awake dreamself. And even then, he has a lot of trouble balancing the dual consciousness thing.
Dirk doesn't have any control over AR, which is obvious. Dirk doesn't have any real control over Brobot, aside from remotely switching its modes, and even then we don't know if Dirk can actually do that or if it's just something AR hacked into brobot to do (like Roxy did) because he's, you know, a cyber-omniscient AI. Dirk CERTAINLY has no control over or even knowledge of Bro's existence. Or of ARquius, or Doc Scratch, or Lord English. That's sort of the whole problem--it SEEMS like he has some kind of control over them simply because they all act in eerily and superficially similar ways. And Dirk has to deal with the repercussions of that, even though he has no control over them whatsoever.
But yeah, I don't think Dirk has any real awareness of Brain Ghost Dirk. He may have been aware that, in the moment you mentioned, he entered a dream that was already in progress which he had already kind of been a part of. Dirk is fairly used to that sort of sensation by now, I think. What IS true, I think, is what Dirk points out in his conversation with Dave about Bro, and what Brain Ghost Dirk mentions to Jake: That the way Dirk works is that all versions of him are really just him, one way or another, and any approximation of Dirk is going to just automatically be...ENHANCED by ESSENCE DE DIRK into being *more Dirk-like*. Which is what it means for his identity to be FRACTURED or SPLINTERED as opposed to some kind of multi-consciousness. All versions of Dirk are *Dirk*, they are his identity, they will act in ways he would probably act and think in ways he would probably think, but they do not necessarily share consciousness or knowledge or thought. Their thoughts and actions just have a synchronicity to them because...they're the same dude who will generally act in predictably similar ways when put into similar situations.
@@optimisticDuelist I honestly have a feeling Jake is going to play a bigger role in the epologues (if they get updated of corse) and while do keep in mind I haven't read the candy timeline yet, if this new 'ultimate self' stuff sounds what I think it sounds like then that brings a huge queshtion. How will this impact Jake? It seems to be implied all sburb players will reach this level eventually and if thats true then Jake will know about Jude and Joey through Jake Harly. And ya The dude seems to be a terrible father and guardian all together but he still loves Jade, Jude, and Joey. And if he's had this higher awareness of paradox space compared to others before this 'ultimate self' stuff then what will happen to him once he does reach that tier?
Edit: Idk just have this feeling this may impact hivewap in a odd way and it would involve Dirk, Jake, and definitley John. Especially Jake and John. Sorry this is the crazy theorist in me lol.
I've never clicked a video so fast. I am a fucking addict.
I can’t wait for more in-depth look into all the characters. More spacifically. John ( due to having my classpect)
But just a question optimisticduelist
I saw your video on the aspects and briefly talks about breath Rules over ideas like Motion and freedom. I know there’s going to be a video on John and Tavros about how they use their aspects. But I just want to hear your interpretation or opinion on breath and how it’s works. If it’s not too much to ask.
try checking out OD's medium essays! that's a fun read, all pretty comprehensive analysis. just google "medium optimistic duelist" 👍 there are references to essays by other writers in there as well
Keep Rising OD!
Dirk became one of my favourite characters of Homestuck just because he kinda reminds me of my boyfriend, at least, the protective parts of Dirk. lol
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Naw dude you're using way too many words to explain what's going on there. The answer is simple. Elegant and brilliant in it's straightforwardness. Where your explanation is a series of complex martial arts that's taken years to learn, the truth of the matter is the drunken punch that has served many a rowdy bar brawler: *BROS BEFORE HOES*
PAGE SQUAD WHERE YOU AT?! (I'm a page of heart ⬜w⬛)
*sighs expansively*
Breath here, unfortunately.
@@MrMortull That's cool! your like a fucking wind storm or a damn hurricane. I'm just gald I meeting another page! (Hopefully more)
Page of hope here
You are a Page of Heart.
The Page class is one that at first allows themselves to be passively served their aspect, but becomes stronger when they learn to directly serve the aspect to themselves.
And the Heart aspect represents the inner self as well as emotions.
In your comment, you literally ask others to serve you their "inner selves" (as in their classpect) and then you follow that by serving your inner self to us.
I think you'll make a great Page.
@@jcs6387 Holy shit Wow! I got no words to that but *happy internal screaming* but thanks!
I think in my journey is a soul searching self journey kind of thing, finding out who I truly am and stuff you know? I may be wrong though.
unfortunately for both of them, they failed to grow enough to sustain it.
yes i am referencing the epilogues. they are canon. as in they are meant to be a continuation of the story that is homestuck, that is PAradox space itself.
and honestly it makes sense. in part it is john's fault. he focused oto much on winning the game than making sure everyone was in a good state when the game was over. but few people were. roxie was pretty solid all around, tough girl. dave and karkat were decent. terezi though was a mess hunting for vriska for years. rose still had her own issues and couldn't be as happy as she wished she was while she was with kanaya. Jane's fascist ideals were not nipped in the bud from some adventure or talk. Jake still had the same issues by the end of homestuck that he had when he first began and had a unintentionally toxic enabler to boot. And dirk while he managed to get on the right step, was overwhelmed by the ultimate self and the evil individuals he was not strong enough to overcome, unable to retain himself as he wanted to be.
put simply jake has the same issues her slef from the beta timeline had. he could not sustain a relationship. comparatively he is heathier mentally. he fucks around in a literal sense but he doesn't have like 40 families from across the god damn globe, is more cautious. But he is doing the same things.
Dirk is now seemingly rebelling against paradox space itself.... and honestly that is probably in part why the story is continuing from the epilogues at some point. His enemy is paradox space tiself and the mechancis behind it, or maybe he has become aware of someone behind the curtains who he wants to defy. Lost it though he has, as you ahve said, Princes destroy so thigns can be rebuilt.
He destroyed the epilogue we expected, fucked up all of his friends, brainwashed rose..... And its likely because of this things will get moving in order to repair the damage he has done. How far he gets is the question.
There will be a separate video on the epilogues.
I wonder what Doom offers as an opposite of Hope. We look at Mituna and see someone who saw the doom of their world and gave up everything to attempt to change it only to fail. I see this as Hope/Doom players failing to emulate their counterparts. A Hope player might think of how failure could affect them but their life works out in the end. I see Doom as the opposite, people who sacrifice everything and desperately want a happy ending but either self sabotage or universal forces stand against them by nature.
I'm not expert on Homestuck, especially that late into the plot when I largely lost interest, but wouldn't it have made more sense for Brain Ghost Dirk to have been created by Roxy instead of Jake? Stealing the nothingness out of him, making him real?
In homestuck there was a consistent trend. If you believe in something enough, it becomes slightly less fake. This became fully realized as a concept when strong hope players were revealed to be able to believe in something enough it stops being fake entirely. Jake believed in the vision he had for Dirk so much that it became a real entity.
It's less about "stealing the nothingness" and about Jake's ability to recreate a complex thing with almost total veracity. BGD is half Dirk built from Jake's knowledge/intuition of him, and half Jake's own mind.
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*All fanficts are canon*
Ohhhhhh nooooooooo......
If Rose and Dave don't get 4 episodes but Jake did, we riot
Great video
cool beans
9:57 minutes... so close...
I know everyone is going to give me all the flak for this but even after watching this series I still don't ship it. The way it's described seems to me like Jake doesn't want Dirk as a partner but as a crutch, someone to carry him through his lack of proper confidence (an issue he still hasn't gotten over) and, essentially, carry him everywhere. You've said it before that he sees Dirk as a knight (servant) and while Dirk does want to act the part, roleplaying another class is something that no non-adult character has succesfully managed to do. Carrying the weight of a relationship for someone with a class defined by being very active seems to me like a toxic dynamic that would leave Dirk feeling unfulfilled.
If there is two things about Homestuck that I would change, it would be better worldbuilding and more immersive fight scenes.
Idk, I kinda like that feeling of misteriousness about the world. Keeps the fandom alive.
And yet, Hussie wrote an essay about troll romance. Would it have killed him to explain to expand upon the lore of the planets and the Troll’s sessions?
Homestuck has great world building. The only problem is that Hussie doesn't FOCUS on almost any part of the comic for a long time, jumping from theme to theme all the time. But he is able to create really interesting worlbuilding through minimum of information, like with the trolls.
me: i wont cry over imagery i wont cry over imagery i wont cry over imagery i wo
me, 2 minutes into the video, crying: THE IMAGERY. THE SYMBOLISM. THE *LOVE*
I love your content great vids. Do you think you can do a Dave one? If you haven't already I forgot
Ok, so I know you are gonna talk about the epilogues in future episodes, but I'm extremely confused about one of the aspects of them: if Jake is omniscient to a degree, then how isn't he aware that Narrator Dirk is manipulating him in the Meat path?
While Dirk did twisted his thoughts around I think that's what Jake honestly always believed. Because it was the truth to Jake. It was his 'reality'. Whether that's actually true I'm not sure but to Jake I think he always believed that.
Part 4? Man you have a lot to say about jake huh
yessssssssssssssss
Oh fuc-
I like you doing analysis videos: they're awesome and the visual refs help connect the important points.
I'm glad the facts are set straight about Jake: it made me realize that he wasn't really that dense after all and made me appreciate his better qualities even more. And I'm not one to turn away a good story ^^
btw, out of curiosity, when are you gonna do some non-Homestuck Character Classpects? I remember you had that up in your 'About' page before they vanished. Did you change your mind?
Are the Epilogues canon? Also, I'm curious if we know who are the other denizens are? I'm make a fan adventure and it be weird to give myself Yaldaboth since I'm a heart player.
Theyre canon in the same way the game over time line is canon - its two possible ways for earth C to end up, and there are infinite others
Regarding the denizens, heres a list. mspaintadventures.fandom.com/wiki/Denizen Feel free to make up your own though!
@@frejo1931 thanks
The canonicity of the Epilogue's two paths, "Meat" and "Candy," are heavily implied by the story to be a grey area. The Meat path is treated by the story as the canonical continuation of Homestuck's main story, while the Candy path is treated as the non-canonical path. Simultaneously, events in the Candy path directly lead to outcomes in the Meat path, such as Dirk's death in the Candy path resulting in his rebirth in the Meat path. Additionally, the last page of the Meat path is the story ending of the Candy path, while the last page of the Candy path is the story ending of the Meat path.
While I enjoyed this video, I don’t see the need to make it about sexuality at around 6:40. While yes, Jane is trying to use Jake for forced procreation, Aranea only wants Jake’s hope Powers, and the only reason she tried to kiss him is because she knows he has a crush on her. The way you phrase it in the video makes it sound like heterosexual relationships are a bad thing, and while I’m sure that wasn’t your intention, I feel like it could have been avoided by simply not discussing sexuality at all, because I don’t think it factors in here. Anyway, great video nonetheless.
I think it factors in because Jake's arc is, more than even most Homestuck characters, about his power to turn his fantasies and wishes into his reality. Jake's fantasies are interesting partly because he grows up basically obsessed with western media, which influenced him towards a heteronormative worldview that he eventually produces the response to that we see here. You're right about Aranea, but she is still equated with an object of Jake's fantasies, and the way he interacts with her through that lens is, I think, an interesting window into his psychology.
There's nothing wrong with heterosexual relationships in and of themselves though, John/Roxy is great for example. Just figured I'd clarify. Thanks!
When Aranea?
oh wait there
you misspelled the video title 😓
whoops! Fixed it now
Everyone is Bisexual in homestuck, technically. Mostly because the fact that all ship's happen in paradox space.
Everything that is theoretically possible ill happen, yes, but not anything is possible.
@@lordbuss yes but that still means any ship can be Canon due to the nature of infinite timelines existing.
@@gabem2025 Sorry, but no. For example, if John really is not a homosexual as he says he is, ship between him and, say, Dave, is not possible no matter how many timelines exist, because sexual orientation is not just randomly changed.
With death, for example, it is possible. Everyone has a chance to day. Everyone has a chance to be happy.
And everyone has a chance to be in a relationship, but not every relationship is possible.
@@lordbuss That makes absolutely NO sense with how infinite timelines Work, no matter what every possibility can happen or has already happened, again due to the nature of infinite timelines. The alpha timeline John in straight but that doesn't make every version of him in infinite versions who always has some differences between them s straight. That's not even a sound augment against it.
Unless it's a cosmic law, example the aspects and classes then no matter how many versions there are, they all share one classpect.
@@gabem2025 Again every thing is possible, every kind of person is possible, but they are not the same person. There is only one personality we call "John". His life experience and even behavior may be different, but he will still have the same basic "John personality", the same "Heart". Love is the connection between people's hearts and personalities. Even if we ignore sexual orientation, John will not love every possible person, even in an infinite multiverse, because he is John, and that is what makes him John.
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