Reflecting on Final Fantasy VII Remake | Sacred Symbols+, Episode 373
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- (Please note: This podcast heavily spoils the original Final Fantasy VII, Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, and Remake itself. It DOES NOT spoil Rebirth, which I [Colin] haven't even played at the time we're recording.)
It's me, Colin. This episode was originally supposed to be a KnockBack; or, I should say, I replayed FFVIIR in preparation for that particular show. And maybe I over-prepared a bit, with 10 pages of typed notes amounting to 3,900 words. But here's the thing: Dagan doesn't have time to finish the game because he picked up a new animation gig, and yet, I don't want my unnecessarily thorough preparation to go to waste. So instead of KnockBack this week, you're getting a second Sacred+ episode, and I drafted three fellow Final Fantasy nerds to assist me. As such, please welcome Summon Sign's Brad Ellis, Punching Up's Gene Park, and LSM legal analyst Rick Hoeg for a three-plus hour convo all about 2020's Final Fantasy VII Remake. I'm now finally prepared to play Rebirth!
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Dustin immediately catching strays.
He just can't have a break poor guy.. 😂
He deserves it.
Why does Colin hate him
@@lgd921 because Dustin is the only sane one
I agree. There is no LSM at this level without Dustin. I hated him in the beginning lol he talks so slow and sounds so uninteresting but what i mean to say is that Dustin is cool and I love to shake his hand. I believe he is a good man ..... Thank you Dustin for lashing out in the last episode of SS, obviously idk how y'all REALLY are but I know you were serious. Please continue to be serious. Amen.@@chochopopstv3468
Amazing to have such deliberate and thorough convo about an amazing work of art. This is the beauty of long form podcasting / Last Stand.
All star cast
What a great combo!
Love this group of hosts. Especially love seeing Hoge and Gene get to come on to talk about anything Final Fantasy.
For me i'm the opposite of hogg. The last 5% of remake and rebirth is my favourite thing square have ever done.
Rebirth, i loved all the way through but i was thinking it was around a 9 for most of the game, until i got to the ending and then i think its easily a 10/10.
And as all of this thing unfolds it only makes me love what they did with remake more as well.
same I like the idea of not knowing what's next and theory crafting is fun to me
Goated cast
As someone who never beat the og, my uncle had it and I was in awe when I saw it in person in 97, I absolutely loved remake. I may not have caught on with all the og callbacks but it is my favorite jrpg (apart from rebirth now, which I’m in the middle of) and I still plan on going back and playing the original. I’m also playing crisis core, so seeing this game universe in a weird order is still totally enthralling. Fantastic show gents, all star lineup.
Yeh I don't think it matters playing the remake first as long as you plan to play the original. It will just make it even better when you replay remake/Rebirth after you finish the og, and get you really hyped for the 3rd part
This is the EXACT grouping of people I wanted talking about this game, I hope the rebirth episode has the same people
Edit- after listening to the episode, I'm suprised there wasn't any discussion about sephiroth and what he's doing, and also a big change they made to his physical appearance.
And also Scarlet/Barret/Dyne happened in OG originally
I’m so glad Brad is here to shut down the foolish Nomura blaming from people who don’t even play Nomura’s games.
Hell yeh bro, he designed the parasite eve characters, im pretty sure he made Sephiroth and he decided to make it aerith that dies in addition to making KH. And ff13 versus would’ve been fire but I liked noctis and the gang too. Way too much blame , he’s a legend
The chemistry between these 4 is realllllly good
Barret is definitely from Africa. We know this from the now-infamous "Resident Evil 5" video game.
Honestly the mini games and difficulty overall in the remake takes this game down a few notches from a 9.2/10 to a 7.8/10 game.
So glad Colin mentioned Lost, because Remake Aerith and Sephiroth gave me strong Jacob and Man in Black vibes.
Been waiting for this one 🙏🏻
Indeed! Let’s go!
The ozone layer was repaired if anyone was wondering about that talking point lol
I love Roche
Cloud is a better and more human an nuanced charachter in Remake/Rebirth than OG, but as for his personal behaviour in OG game Hamaguchi said It was a 21 years old guy that had been 4 years in stasis or coma, sufffered from social isolation and was shy to begin with, he creates annarmour around what he thought was confidence and toughness as he saw in Zack, his personal reference. And after Hamaguchi the comfident , joyous and over the top personality of Zack ...thats how a person with social isolation would tru to do It.
46:35 you actually could go back, thats how you got Tifas best weapon, in wallmarket - you need the key card to enter the city again which was dug up over at Bone Village. The woman outside the wall even hints about dropping her key card there. Might be for disc 2 or 3 though- forgot when you could.
Perfect timing releasing this on Remake's 4th anniversary for everyone.
Final Fantasy VII Remake certainly does have the best RPG systems in the modern day series and I think they should use it in all FF games going forward. I fucking love it that much. I really enjoyed XVI as well but going from Remake to XVI’s combat system felt like a substantial step back.
I don't wanna get in the shipping discussion, but does it lean one way or the other... Gene: Not really... Brad: YES 😂😂😂
Loving the trilogy so far , for me the events of the original happened it’s still there.
30 years later we’re playing a sequel to that .
My FF7 journey 1) Dirge of Cerberus 2) Advent Children 3) FF7 Remake 4) Crisis Core Reunion 😊
Im glad everyone stuck to talking about Remake and not rebirth. The OG FF7 talk though no gracias 🤣
Hard mode is where the gameplay really shines. It’s a little annoying you need to beat the game to play hard mode though. Normal is a little too easy.
And Rebirth’s hard mode is even better with perfect guards, more parry options and better dodges, which opens the option to “brute force” hard mode in a more skillful/reactive way.
I highly disagree. Hard mode is cheap and not everyone wants FF to be dark souls. Takes away the enjoyment of new game plus to be honest.
@@collectivecore8268 i disagree with you and so do the developers.
@@Mattaga the developers actually told me that they agree with me.
@@collectivecore8268 I guess actions don’t speak as loud as words, because the devs put a lot of work into hard mode.
I should expect that logic from someone who thinks hard is “cheap”, even though you can perfect guard everything. Get gud. Cry less.
@@Mattaga wow, it’s insane that you are so triggered by this.
Man it's so weird when I hear people say that they'd love if the lamp and sewer sections were downsized. Man those were my favourite parts of FF7 remake because those sections are when it's actually A VIDEO GAME.
The pacing problem with the game for me actually stemmed from the fact that those sections were so SHORT.
The game was constantly stopping you from experiencing the excellent combat and RPG mechanics to instead lead you down narrow exposition paths and cutscene trains.
I adored FF7 remake (I've never played the original), I give it a 9/10. it's just funny to me that the point I took off was because the meaty combat/exploration sections were so few and far between. It felt like every 2-3 battles there was a cutscene.
The way to remember the expanded post-FFVII universe, before Remake, is that it’s AC BC CC DC and recently EC continued this.
Fantastic line-up and chat, I’d love the same again for Rebirth when Colin finishes.
Saying Choc-uh-bow or Chick-uh-boo was so normal for me back then lol
“Why are you pre-ordering this?”
RE2 GameCube: $120 eBay
RE3 GameCube: $110 eBay
You made the right decisions Colin.
Just remember, Colin is the type of guy that played TLOU2 *twice* before playing Remake.
Tlou2 is an incredible game. It has some of the highest production values in the industry. The gameplay is amazing.
And the story certainly insights alot of strong emotions in the player. You will feel Ellies anger. And it takes you on a journey and it will likely get you to go on the same emotional journey ellie does.
And hopefuly come to the same revealation of letting all that hatred go and just what the cost of the endless pursuit of revenge is and how Ultimately it achieves nothing. And if anything just makes you feel worse when its all said and done.
@@DaRkLoRd-rc5yu *twice*
I’m kind of a XIII liker too with the combat, but even if you hate the game I feel like VII Remake owes a lot to lessons learned from XIII. I think a fair amount of the Remake team worked on XIII too.
They're both made by the same team. FF13 is all over FF7 remake. I've played them both deeply, and you can really tell. I don't love FF13, but I think it's decent.
Hype. Can’t wait for the Rebirth Spoilercast.
Great discussion. I agree that Square hasn't been this good since the PS1 days.
I literally just finished FF VII remake yesterday. Very good game. Probably gonna take a break before starting Intermission.
This might be my fav sacred symbols +
Hoeg's vocabulary is sublime
Great episode! Also, Colin is right about the aerosol comment
Take a shot every time Hoeg says Modern Square Enix
But it’s true. More than most companies, there are two distinct eras of Square.
Square has been righting the ship. The recent FF titles have been fantastic. @@stonehorn4641
At 2:43:00 Colin kinda brings up an interesting unasked question of "should Remake, Rebirth and the third one, be played back to back to back as one whole game, since they are technically one game, and not viewed as three games?" I don't think the ending of Rebirth is as mysterious as some people are making it seem like as to me it felt pretty straight forward. But even the end of Rebirth felt like we didn't get a solid ending enough to be a "cliffhanger" and felt like we were missing another chapter or two before the end.
Awesome cast!
Remake/Rebirth play so amazing it really makes me dislike how 16 plays even more. As far as story goes, I like the the idea of it but the look of the manifestation of fate looking like kingdom hearts crap really bugs me. Also, the fake out barret death in remake is so fucking shitty and now sets up no one ever being dead.
Next time Colin needs to play a game on release. The group couldn't even fully explain anything.
Especially something as big as FF7
On that note they should have done this spoilercast way before Rebirth came out lol I'm glad they aren't spoiling Rebirth.
The Materia system had a legitimate son in the sephith system of the Trails series.
The party does acknowledge at points that their successes appear to be too easy.
If only these dudes knew what was really going on with the story 😂 the meta-narrative is so awesome and way beyond some representation of the fans and the remake. All I’ll say is this isn’t a remake, it’s a sequel.
Actually speaking of how Shinra could get away with everything as they discussed - Rufus in the OG ff7 said his father used money to control people but what needs to happen now that he has taken over is rule people with fear, he says. very creepy but reliable. Rufus was definitely a much darker person in the OG.
Re: Aerith not liking the sky, didn’t she say in Crisis Core the sky frightens her?
Yes im pretty sure she says it in that as well
Jesus Christ Roache doesnt have gay undertones with Cloud
Im surprised Gene is down for Yuffie but against Lily 🤔 could be the carried over crush.
The only thing I did not like about the rooftop fight is that the heroes just let the turks walk away at the end
An internal square enix leak has indicated that the third game in the trilogy will be called Final Fantasy: ReDacted: The Forever Timeline.
This isn’t true
Let's fucking go !!
For some reason they replaced Cait Sith with Yuffie on the plate drop scene. Maybe they were trying to do Cait Sith DLC and changed their mind.
Clearly it was fate that brought these 4 together
So I have a question for you, Colin. Now that you yourself have experienced a podcast at 2x speed, has it changed your opinion any on the topic?
Self-proclaimed general of Last Stand Media's free loader army signing out! 💚✌️🤝
I don’t listen to LSM much but this was exceptional discussion. Love or hate him but Colin facilitates excellent discussion and brings forward poignant interesting talking points
If Colin really has ocd oh boy rebirth is going to take like 200 hours of his life the game has so much I'm not going for plat just 100 percent on normal for me too many games!
Always pumped to see Hoeg in the cast!
Thanks for that dark tower spoiler :/
Fantastic episode 🔥
Do they say if they played the game in Japanese or English? I've really been liking playing this series as my first in Japanese
I actually think square are doing really well in this ps5 era. Ff7 and 16 and ff14 are all amazing.
It just a shame that they missed with forespoken. I feel like it had a lot of potential it just lacked a certain grounding that made it engaging and interesting. It all just seemed a bit generic. Its odd to say but i actually think the thing forspoken lacked was that nomura touch. That could have made all the difference. In how the story and characters were framed.
Speaking of Versus 13 in kingdom hearts…👀
Yo bro am A Sony guy
Shoulda had mystic Ryan on here too
the guy that yelled "GENE HAD CANCER" goated
Y’all gonna really need to bring in Maximilian Dood to help break down Rebirth for y’all 😂
Currently in chapter 13 of rebirth. It feels like such a slog.
Speaking of wallmarket, it would've been well represented in the Remake - if they didn't have fucking Mario Galaxy music playing on loop the entire fucking time. It's supposed to be this seedy shitty slum and they completely fucked up the tone with the new music.
The biggest problem with this Remake trilogy so far has been the whole Star Trek 09 Requel of the story. I’m just not on board with this requel story, what is the point, just remake FF7, stop with this multiverse alternate concurrent timeline Kingdom Hearts crap.
right, but as someone who finished it back in 97 and feeling somewhat like you- it is exciting knowing that we have no freaking clue what will happen in part 3- I mean, rebirth was "expanded" but also cut content. clearly it builds up something big with Wutai in part 3, we get that... but beyond that?
I bought Rebirth, and put about 20 hours into it.. But honestly it feels like a clunky mmorpg with good graphics. To a degree that I said hmm perhaps another time and I went back to Guild Wars 2, since that's how the combat should feel. I find that I'm fighting with the Camera on big bosses and have to resort to playing as Aerith for the view/extra healing/range. When I'm melee with Cloud I just get thrown around like a rag doll. I'm likely playing it wrong to a degree, but I've had this with all bosses.. I finished remake, but that was years ago.
The FFVII Re-trilogy may be good games at the end of the day. I'm sure they are well-made based on the praise I hear. But as someone who at this point has only played the original 1997 game and is resistant to the idea of remaking games in ANY capacity, I'm still put off by playing something that is still so inherently linked to the story of a game I've already played. I want new and original art over something familiar, always. FFVII is like one of my top three games ever, but I'm just not that interested in remakes, even ambitiously updated ones. I don't care about nostalgia. There isn't anything about the original that I WANTED changed, anyway. I even PREFER the original's visuals. More realistic visuals don't make a game better, only different.
Also, I'd need to get a PS5 to play them, which would be expensive AND require playing with a brown paper bag covering the PS5 to hide its hideously ugly form at all times. I don't know if that would cause overheating issues or not, but I certainly couldn't bear to have a naked PS5 in front of me, that would be out of the question. Hence my hesitancy to buy one. That and the overall lacking game library compared to every PS console that's come before.
A long discussion about a flop game
I really don't like Gene Park anymore, the TOTK preview stuff was my last straw, not watching this.
I mean, this guy claimed TOTK was a locked 30fps at 1080p (none of which are true), like you look at any gameplay from the preview event and it was always running poorly. What's really strange is when people brought this up to him all he said was "uh, recording problem, it wasn't actually like this when we played" and lo and behold, game came out, runs just like that. It's one thing to not know and say you don't know, it's another to straight up lie.
Interesting reason as to why you'd dislike someone so much. You said last straw, what else makes you dislike him?
Grow up
Rebirth justifies splitting the game into 3 parts. The amazing quality and attention to detail present in each part wouldn't be there if they tried to remake it one game. I'm so stoked for the final installment.
Let's gooo
13 has a wonderful soundtrack. Gran Pulse, Oerba etc was also well done. But yeah not a 13 fan.