As someone who's worked in IT and the Internet the last 30 years... her analogy of the "Anternet" is pretty bad. But, well, it's an analogy, and she's not an IT/CS person...
my understanding is that natural systems never have centralized control. I am open to changing my view if anyone has differing perspective? I like this talk and she makes some interesting connections In the book by D Kent, healthy money healthy planet she suggests that design financial systems in line with natural systems and i would advocate that we design all of our social structures in line with natural systems. for this to become a reality it will require us as individuals to move away from social structures that support centralized control it also occurs to me that cancer is a lot like our social structures that utilize un-natural centralized control enforcement strategies
While the talk had an interesting subject, nothing really new came out of it. The concept of "hive-minds" isn't especially novel. And its application to both the cellular level and and the social part was something that made me fascinated about reading The Selfish Gene. That was 40 years ago that book came out. Haven't we discovered anything new since then?
I recommend "The Penguin and the Leviathan" After reading that book, I found new reasons to believe that the selfish gene is not as selfish as we have thought. Apparently, humans have been bred to collaborate and trust one another for tens of thousands of years and its only after the rise of farming communities that another dimension of interests collided.
Ants do not poison their colonies...very nice advocacy to stop selling poison (Tobacco ) to protect the inmates of colony...Appreciate the research.Dean GDCH Nagpur
Her analogy on using ant algorithms for security is not thought out. An attack ant might walk a way, but a DDOS attack won't stop until a switch is flipped. I think she needs more knowledge of other fields before she uses analogies. Good talk though.
***** Sure there may be a possibility for using ant algorithms to use for the internet. However she discusses about having temporary firewalls instead of permanent firewalls when an attack is detected. This is impractical in the real world. While in the ant world, it requires energy to attack. In the digital world, the energy spent is minimal, so an attack would be on-going. And just because the attack stopped doesn't mean you can let your guard down. If you're a business why increase the risk for savings on licenses and electricity bills? Real cyber attacks don't happen like in movies. 90% of the time for an attack is spent on Recognisance, which is done offline and online. Once the planning is done correctly, the attack just starts and, most of the time, nothing can be done about it. The other thing to point out is that, using algorithms for detection is really a bad idea. You'll definitely detect the attacks listed on the signature database, but new and sophisticated attacks are designed with the algorithm in mind, so they would bypass right through them. The only defence against a brilliant mind is another brilliant mind. evillizard007007 was on the right track, but just lacked the details.
But that flip switch are the pheromones secreted by ants. You can't possibly pretend to know how ants or other non centrally controlled systems act. Unknown Unknowns.
A lot of 'maybe we could...' in here. I suspect she needs to be a bit more involved in these other fields before having any real, solid applications. Cool potential, I just wish there was a bit more optimism and exploration in the applications.
In the last 6 years Deborah has proven and dived deeper into her research on these applications and has published some really advanced, intriguing thinking. We got to talk in depth with her and get a great update for an episode of Earth Ideas, which is available at th-cam.com/video/eIRhsL2C3Ck/w-d-xo.html :)
"...by not allowing people to spread around or sell the toxins that promote the evolution of cancer in our bodies..." Im pretty sure GMO corns is legal in her country ...
She's talking about carcinogens, like: tobacco, asbestos, coal soot, and radioactive compounds (which are frequently found in coal soot). As far as GMO's go, the majority of studies are dubious, and the rapid, and initial development of the technology is going to be unstable, and unsafe... So you really can't throw the baby out with the bath water on this. It's happened to nuclear energy, because /apparently/ nuclear reactors have not progressed from Chernobyl, and Fukushima wasn't literally the worst case scenario for a reactor that can drown in one inch of water. (I mostly find fault with the media, and the egg-heads that can't design reactors)
Amazing hey, we have to create algorithms but nature does it by chance and it needs a lot of time of course, like enough time could solve everything. i love my creator YaHWeH. Good luck with the evolution religion with Darwin as the prophet. Nice study of the ants by the way. Efficiently created.
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This is probably one of the best ted talks that i've seen
Amazing ideas! Very original thinking here. Kudos to Deborah Gordon!
in this short 15 min video...i have learned more about ants then all the discover shows combined
Other channels just make it a subjective story with little objective information here and there. Don't have much take away.
I was really happy when this video showed up in my TH-cam feed. Thank you for sharing!
So true, I typed in Ted talk ants thinking nothing would pop up
I will take this into account...
I had a chuckle. Nicely done.
Gave me some insight to all the ants in my kitchen
As someone who's worked in IT and the Internet the last 30 years... her analogy of the "Anternet" is pretty bad. But, well, it's an analogy, and she's not an IT/CS person...
my understanding is that natural systems never have centralized control. I am open to changing my view if anyone has differing perspective?
I like this talk and she makes some interesting connections
In the book by D Kent, healthy money healthy planet she suggests that design financial systems in line with natural systems and i would advocate that we design all of our social structures in line with natural systems.
for this to become a reality it will require us as individuals to move away from social structures that support centralized control
it also occurs to me that cancer is a lot like our social structures that utilize un-natural centralized control enforcement strategies
Just to give credit where credit is due, Bernard Werber did this kind of thing first with his Ants trilogy.
While the talk had an interesting subject, nothing really new came out of it. The concept of "hive-minds" isn't especially novel. And its application to both the cellular level and and the social part was something that made me fascinated about reading The Selfish Gene. That was 40 years ago that book came out. Haven't we discovered anything new since then?
I recommend "The Penguin and the Leviathan" After reading that book, I found new reasons to believe that the selfish gene is not as selfish as we have thought. Apparently, humans have been bred to collaborate and trust one another for tens of thousands of years and its only after the rise of farming communities that another dimension of interests collided.
Good talk.
>humanities and science
>not even once
I just wanted to learn about ants
Of what use is it for us to know these things?
I feel sorry for you
Ants do not poison their colonies...very nice advocacy to stop selling poison (Tobacco ) to protect the inmates of colony...Appreciate the research.Dean GDCH Nagpur
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
Simple algorithms of interaction comprise a sophisticated complex sustainable system - law makers can learn a lot from this.
Her analogy on using ant algorithms for security is not thought out. An attack ant might walk a way, but a DDOS attack won't stop until a switch is flipped.
I think she needs more knowledge of other fields before she uses analogies.
Good talk though.
***** Sure there may be a possibility for using ant algorithms to use for the internet. However she discusses about having temporary firewalls instead of permanent firewalls when an attack is detected. This is impractical in the real world. While in the ant world, it requires energy to attack. In the digital world, the energy spent is minimal, so an attack would be on-going. And just because the attack stopped doesn't mean you can let your guard down. If you're a business why increase the risk for savings on licenses and electricity bills?
Real cyber attacks don't happen like in movies. 90% of the time for an attack is spent on Recognisance, which is done offline and online. Once the planning is done correctly, the attack just starts and, most of the time, nothing can be done about it.
The other thing to point out is that, using algorithms for detection is really a bad idea. You'll definitely detect the attacks listed on the signature database, but new and sophisticated attacks are designed with the algorithm in mind, so they would bypass right through them.
The only defence against a brilliant mind is another brilliant mind.
evillizard007007 was on the right track, but just lacked the details.
But that flip switch are the pheromones secreted by ants. You can't possibly pretend to know how ants or other non centrally controlled systems act.
Unknown Unknowns.
A lot of 'maybe we could...' in here. I suspect she needs to be a bit more involved in these other fields before having any real, solid applications.
Cool potential, I just wish there was a bit more optimism and exploration in the applications.
that's how bases of knowledge work...
Who knew ants colonies contained this much knowledge.
Just recently had an ant infestation in my kitchen, I got to say, I hate them so much. I had to poison them because they ruined everything.
In the last 6 years Deborah has proven and dived deeper into her research on these applications and has published some really advanced, intriguing thinking. We got to talk in depth with her and get a great update for an episode of Earth Ideas, which is available at th-cam.com/video/eIRhsL2C3Ck/w-d-xo.html :)
CT CREW WHERE YA AT
Really cool.
The Driver Ant, enough said.
brilliant!
It is about having different approaches to thinking. Afterall current thinking is not really successful. We dont know everything that exists.
Ip addresses and personal vpns that leave trails like ants do with chemical deposits
"...by not allowing people to spread around or sell the toxins that promote the
evolution of cancer in our bodies..." Im pretty sure GMO corns is legal in her country ...
She's talking about carcinogens, like: tobacco, asbestos, coal soot, and radioactive compounds (which are frequently found in coal soot).
As far as GMO's go, the majority of studies are dubious, and the rapid, and initial development of the technology is going to be unstable, and unsafe...
So you really can't throw the baby out with the bath water on this.
It's happened to nuclear energy, because /apparently/ nuclear reactors have not progressed from Chernobyl, and Fukushima wasn't literally the worst case scenario for a reactor that can drown in one inch of water. (I mostly find fault with the media, and the egg-heads that can't design reactors)
Love it :-)
We must also believe that "ants" in quranic verses is the truth about Allah.
I'm convinced we have a neural network we can't see or identify. The subconscious etc
Amazing hey, we have to create algorithms but nature does it by chance and it needs a lot of time of course, like enough time could solve everything. i love my creator YaHWeH. Good luck with the evolution religion with Darwin as the prophet. Nice study of the ants by the way. Efficiently created.
This is the most absurd title I've ever read, and TED is still pretending to be academic. Who is funding this sophistry?
pooooooooolitical! dayumm