I can't get past how Adobe could do something like that, especially since it's such a big platform for artists with a MASSIVE community! they should know better than to scam their own community for a quick buck.
I'm not surprised to be honest. I tried out adobe because my online art class was teaching some of photoshop. the teacher had a link to a free month long trial so it would match up with the course. looks like adobe took that away because the only free trial was a week long. A week, for every single program on the creative cloud. If someone wanted to trial run these programs to see what would fit for them they'd barely have time in an average week. The website actively tried to direct users to buying the pay yearly version so people have to shell out a shit ton of money, and if they wanted to cancel there's a fee for that too. I had to set an alarm to cancel the week long free trial because if I didn't they'd immediately charge me for the first month. I probably can't avoid them forever but for now in my early art career I'm staying away form adobe. Money leeches.
Artists who do DTIYS contests and give out prizes to their winners and even consolation prizes to participants are doing a better job of rewarding artists than these giant companies.
I always looked at DTIYSs as a way for artists to hone and practice their styles. And if there's a contest, that's just a cherry on the top. Never found them predatory the way these huge art competitions are. Yet so many young artists get roped in to them, I hate it.
I remember hopping into a DTIYS some years ago, when i was in middle school, and back then i already knew that my submission wasn't that good (it was very bad actually, but nothing close to sticky figure), but i posted anyway and the artist who organized the contest (a huge one on instagram) even commented on my post, it made 13 yo me so damn happy, these contests are so good for the art community
As an artist who held dtiys contest before, i remember adding from only 2 winners to 4 winners bcs the submissions are so good. Making the prize for them is also fun too! I love dtiys.
I’ve done a dtiys before, there wasn’t any first or second place or anything, nor was there a prize. I just think it’s a good way to get around art block.
It can be a great growth opportunity if you’re looking to grow your art, channel/account, style etc! I did two and it gave me a confidence boost 😂. The people who hosted it were so nice to everyone’s entries. If I ever go farther I wanna host one too
How is it being scammed. Can you please explain? Personally, I’d enter because I think it’s payment enough to see your art featured on a very popular artists merchandise. But I do think the top three, or the winner should get a prize. That’s how most art contests I’ve seen work anyways.
Yeah people always tell them to just change job when they mention about their struggles.As if it solve anything on a broad level. Because if you're poor it's your fault amarite boiz? If you wanted to live decently,you should have learned to code or something,right?
Never liked big art competitions. Winning is basically like winning the lottery except an entry takes hours of hard work and effort, only to find out you’ve forfeited all rights to your work once you submit with no compensation if you don’t win. As a bonus, young artists blame everything on themselves at the end because at the end of the day “it’s my fault I didn’t read the terms and conditions.” I can’t believe this is still happening and big companies/celebrities - who can afford good art themselves - would rather scam young talents in guise of a competition instead of just… paying for a commission. At least with this whole situation more artists are now aware of these scummy tactics.
Only good version I've seen was the Wilbur Soot competition. He didn't claim rights over any of the work, he created his own little drawing thing so artists had a challenge and it made for some really cool art, I can't remember what the winner got but I don't think it was just exposure.
What’s so dumb too is there’s a shit ton of fanart of Billie. She or her team could find one they like, contact the artist and buy it from them with some sort of royalty contact attached.
@@burd4141 I remember that competition and the people who won got a set of Wilbur's merch for free :D (there were like 7 winners if I remember correctly)
I never liked art competitions because it forges this mindset and implication of “I’m better” and “I’m a terrible creator” in young artists (I was one of them) whether they win and lose. All the work and effort wasted with no compensation and it makes me wonder “why even TRY to participate?” Because there’s a chance their work aren’t even glanced at just because they didn’t win. Even if I win, chances are because there aren’t enough artists with a similar skill level, so it’s not fair to me, which is a situation I have faced at a young age. Also why I don’t care about shows like XFactor or American Idol, as well as the Grammys.
Billie, as an ARTIST, should at least partially understand that exposure means nothing in the art world. And as much as Billie is at fault, Adobe should be ashamed. I’ve always hated adobe and their business and how insanely expensive their products are, but cmon, really? They should know how this is such a crappy way to hold an art contest, at least give the top few winners some sort of financial incentive
They aren’t looking for art. They just want thousands of creative young people to think intently about them for hours to weeks at a time. The contest is an ad campaign. The artists are the targets of an ad campaign. Any good art that comes out of the contest is just a bonus.
Pretty much this! As someone who does illustrations for ad campaigns... I can tell it's THEM who are getting the exposure. They will have at least one free ad on thousands of accounts with organic reach and will be trending in several platforms. Doing this just with money would be extremely expensive even for a big company.
This is incredibly disappointing on Billie's part. She could've been coaxed or not, but I sincerely hope she doesn't go through with this. Artists should be supporting each other, not taking advantage.
It's 50/50 depending on the celebrity. A lot of celebs don't know anything about the brands they're promoting other than they're face is on something and they know that their fans will participate. Some DO however and they just don't care.
I'm guessing not, she's very young, and considering the majority of her personality (being vegan for example, while that doesn't inherently make a good person, and stopping concerts to help fans with asthma) I'm thinking it had to do with management. She could very well not know the reality of these contests and was just told to advertise it.
So she's celebrated for achieving so much while young but when this happens she's young and was coaxed🙄. It's more simply to just blame her pr team bc she's a big celebrity right now. It's not like she "was coaxed" when probably she didn't knew
In her eyes she was probably thinking her fans want to create art for her and that it would be fun community type thing. I mean she is still pretty young. I guess I more blame Adobe because Adobe is just SO greedy. But what do I know haha🤷🏻♀️
Dear friend@@MohammedAgbadi There's never too few warnings about not letting someone exploit you, but I'd say the example You provided isn't an adequate one. There is a difference between your employer giving you too little money, and a contest with not-so-good rewards. It may be hard to quit a bad job, but you are not obligated to participate in a contest. And when you participate in one, you could have just check what the reward is. For some, the possibility of topping everyone just for the sake of rivalization, or to pay respect to your favourite musician (which is the case here) is good enough, and for people who want money or other goods there are hundreds of other contests. Adobe could give prize money of course, but I think the fact that they didn't should be treated as unreasonable and cheap at most, which still is worth criticizing, but not necessarily evil. That is also why I wouldn't treat Billie's part in this as an attempt to scam her fans, because for all that we know, she may have not even known about the no-prize before the contest was annouced, and if she knew - then she would also be - in the worst case scenario - stingy. Elaborate if You want, don't if You don't, sending my most sincere words of praise and respect, XYZ
This kind of reminds me of that time Dua Lipa used Hanavbara's fanart of her to promote "Future Nostalgia" on instagram, and even had the guts to cut the artist's name on the image 🤣🤣🤣 of course this illustration wasn't paid either, they just downloaded it and cut the artist's name out of the image lol. And even if the artist said they don't mind 'cause they enjoy Dua Lipa's songs...it's still a pretty shady and ugly thing to do to an artist 🙃🙃
“The artist didn’t mind because they like her music” and thats why these celebrities do that crap, because their fans will do mental backflips to excuse things like theft because they like a song or movie the person does
@@soisaws dua seems to have been a made by the record artist. So this is part of her thing. Billie even if she’s young or something should know better. If she knows how bad the porn industry is on normal women and sex perception (or something along the lines she said in an interview) she should know this. It doesn’t take rocket science and having years living to know how predatory it is.
Not sure how I feel about contests tbh. When I was a 16-17 year old I basically breathed contests. I participated in gamejams, competitions from big companies, many of them were rigged and predatory, but I just enjoyed competing. I put my entire soul and heart into a submission for a massive contest that Discord hosted in 2019 and I didn't win. I was shattered by that and didn't put out any piece of work for months after that. But lo and behold that contest submission went viral six months later and I have an actual career from it.
When i was younger i participarea în competition and drew stuff (IT was all Scholl related) bc IT was kinda my thing and i didnt mind but like You mentioned IT was rigged and no matter my talent and skill i never got recognozed, nor and that is worse got my talent appreciated. Made me disliked all this "competitions" , now i only partipate in dtiys and even engaged in 2 colabs.
@@lilpretzel5629 Contest many times will either choose an artist who has a big following, fame in the community or even a sob story to make themselves look like the “good chance”. I expected it of adobe since their prices show how f disgusting they are charging hundreds a month instead of allowing you to buy the program altogether even if is the old versions.
It'd be funny if everyone submitted to this competition with watermarks plastered all over their work so if they win then they demand compensation for the markless version.
@@kasualvfx4985 That’s why a lot of artists put their signature or watermark in the middle of the image or hide it within the art itself. I saw someone who put their watermark as an inconspicuous tattoo on the characters they drew
Bottom line, crowdsourcing is unethical. No guarantee of payment, which for artists supporting themselves through their work is a huge waste of time. I'm also very surprised adobe actually signed off on this. In the words of my professor: "they don't accept exposure as payment at the grocery store."
Adobe is literally the shark asshole of the art work but given most employers require them is a devil we must use. No one likes them, flash was an ass and animate became better but was still bs at times. Illustrator can take time to save and even break and corrupt cause lol.
this is why im glad Clip Studio Paint can be a one payment done deal and they have sales i usually stay away from contests because i feel im not good enough but also scams
Like Adobe could`ve at least said the winner gets a free year of the Adobe suite. It would still be super uncomfortable with those terms and conditions but what would they lose from doing at least that? So glad Affinity is a good alternative in a lot of ways!
Oh and some of the merch that would be cool too. Adobe is so freaking hungry for money these days. And apparently Billies agency and stuff too. Don`t know if Billie wasn`t really aware at the beginning but now she should know for sure that it`s shady.
In fact they might even gain something from it cos the person might start subscribing after that cos they like the product, like if they hadn't used it beforw
@@BiBiren I bought the Affinity programs and I am very happy ^^. They update regularly and I only had to pay once. Been working with them for roughly a year now maybe even longer I lost track of time since like 3 years ago xD.
I think some people don’t know or underestimate the potential for a future with art skills. There is this everlasting starving artist trope that still lives on and it’s sad while at the same time having more jobs than ever in the art industry: fine arts, concept art, illustration, graphic design, 3d art, matte painting, story boards etc. Then some people don’t see anything wrong with situations such as this one. A shame really.
Interesting to know that many of the big companies that constantly credit artist are in China their are indie projects getting full funding support in a short time frame at points WTF
This is why an artist should also be a business person. Your skill is your product, your property, and your right. A lot of artists don’t know what they’re worth and don’t advertise/negotiate well, among other things. If you look at a pattern of successful artists, most of them are also remarkable businessmen/businesswomen. They know how to sell their skill, even if they’re not as talented as another artist. If they themselves don’t do business well, they know someone who does, and get help from them or learn from them. This separates hobbyist from professional artist.
Im glad my parents talked to me about about how companies kind of always have malicious intent like this up their sleeves. I remember as a kid thinking it would be cool to send an idea for a new pokemon design to pokemon and my parents told me that they would probably just use the design and not credit me if I did. And ever since then I've tried to be more aware to prevent getting involved in situations like that or similar ones. Sorry if I didn't word this well I tried. 👉👈
My mom always says that companies don’t do things for free. They all have something to gain from you, whether it is your art, you’re money or your information
Your parents taught you well, and it's good to be aware of these kinds of things. The truth is big companies and celebrities will abuse their power however they can to get away with doing shady business just for personal gain, and the sad thing is it usually works. So it's our job to not give them that chance and make it aware to others who are more vulnerable. Also TBH, even if Pokemon can take fan ideas and make them without crediting, they probably won't do that. They have an art team that designs all the Pokemon you see and don't accept fan ideas.
The golden rule is: Companies don’t care about you. Companies are not your friends. Companies do not have morals. It’s a corporation. What they do care about is your money. That’s it. If they do something that appeals to your ethos or pathos, that’s so you can give them your money. It’s the hard truth, but it’s the truth nonetheless
The worst thing is, they'll take the winners art, give it to a designer to put onto posters/t-shirts/merch... And THAT designer that's looking at your work while they simply paste it in place WILL BE PAID I almost entered a Gran Turismo livery competition, but they also had the line where they own all used design elements after entry, and some of the elements I used on the car were mine that I use for myself. And the prize? They use it in the game and out your gamer tag with it... That was it. Not even your name 😆 I refused to enter right there and then and simply posted the livery in game, which got thousands of likes/reposts anyway and the design elements are still mine.
@@MohammedAgbadi Stop underselling yourself, man. 1 year for the winner, 6 months for the runner-ups and 1 month for every participant would be a better deal.
but its internet drama no one is going to care or remember but it might hurt their overall revenue since they make the most of their money through subscriptions.
@@ahmedhussain9095 it's Twitter drama most of the time that can actually change people's perspective and make them stop using Adobe if they're one of those people that hate the thought that their work is owned by a company without their credit.
The good old "exposure" routine. I designed a racecar wrap for a client. When it was time to pay, he tried to pay in exposure. He didn't pay saying he told me how to design it - whatever. I was also working on a racecar wrap for another client at the same time then redesigned it to teach first guy a lesson - told the second client, you don't gotta pay me but lemme get creative with it - he's like sure. So both guys raced in the same league and people loved the second guy's wrap way more than the first guy's wrap. Do you know the first guy was like he wanted to sue me because the wrap "wasn't visually appealing"? I'm like sue me for what? you "designed" it right and you didn't pay so there's no contract to sue over, you got *exactly* what you paid for sir. The second guy paid me and gave me a bonus - a person who values your work and your worth *will have no problems paying you for it* so my lesson was to fire clients who have difficulty seeing your worth and I advise young artists to do the same
I don't know how to draw well, but i would say i'm good at editing videos, so i have this great-aunt that she's always, "can you make a video for your cousin that you've never seen in your life and never knew existed and don't even know her name? she's graduating from college" or "Your great-grandmother's birthday is coming up, can you edit a tribute video? But you'll need a projector and computer right away" Like, besides asking for free stuff, he still wants me to bring a projector to show the video, I don't even have an projector! And this side of the family is always like that wanting things for free my grandma works in party decoration and on my great grandma's last birthday she had the whole party for free and there was still a fight because they wanted to keep a decoration for them, detail: This great-grandmother is not my grandmother's mother, she is the mother of her ex husband, my grandfather, the two have been divorced for decades
@Madame exactly and then they are like can you not use style it looks bad, make it realistic. And then when it comes to the end result they always say it looks weird or not like them. I and I am like I DONT DRAW REALISM!!!!
I guess the prize literally is just having Billie gain money for your hard work and have it ve considered an ‘official’ product, but these talented people could sell these shirts without the competition and actually gain something! It would be a lot cooler if the prize was your design on her shirt AND a ticket to one of her shows or some money.
This isn't even the first time she's been in trouble with exploiting artists. I seem to recall she was selling merchandise with art that was traced over Love Life fanart. Absurd.
In my highschools art class, a local food produce factory held an art contest to design a new logo for them. It was aimed for like only 8th grades across nearby schools, and this contest was made part of our curriculum, and refusal meant it might impact your grade. If I remember right the "prize" was like a months worth of produce, oh and ofcourse the fame it would bring (not). Wild times. I dont know if the winning logo was used as is, or if it was rendered later by a professional, dont remember ever seeing the winning dancing potato logo anywhere, other than our art teacher showing us who ended up winning + some runner ups.
I can handle a rando on the internet trying to get "payment in exposure" art because they're just... a person with bad morals, but a whole company who's entire client base is creatives? ICKY. They should know better.
if somebody defends billie as "oh its her team's decision" like she's a mindless puppet with no brain of her own i'm gonna lose it. Blame the celebrity when they fuck up if you like to celebrate every little achievement of theirs so greatly. She's the biggest example of getting so much for so little effort and if it has to be that, fine, her really goddamn lucky fate and life. But please hold her accountable for things too. Balance it out.
I have to point out how funny your rant is but comments below your reply goes on about it how it could be her management and even Agbadi himself goes "I'm sure it's her management, smh." Lmao, prepare to lose your head, dude.
@@danmakes2497 she's not a mindless puppet. She had a say in this. If her management is keeping her a prisoner she should stop with the drugs and actually do something about it.
@@mksketchms I never disagreed with what you said; I'm just pointing out with your comment and immediately underneath them are comments going about how it's her management, including the uploader saying it, and how ironic and funny it is with your comment. That's all.
I'm so glad someone brings attention to how basically all art contests are terrible due to the fact that they do indeed own your art for no cost and can do whatever they want with it. That's why I was so pissed at my university where in my art course a lot of assignments were obligatory contest entries. Even "better" when you have to pay the fee to even enter, just wow. Some contests offer you winning a place in art exhibiton, but oh I both had my art in exhibitons and I organized art exhibitons and it's all just load of garbage with fakely infladed audiences made also mainly out of other artists. And just like contests own your art, exhibitons often dont even care enough and damage or lose your physical pieces I am stil pissed thinging about it. I always hated contests and I'm so so glad people finally aknowledge my rage ;lkjhg
I am a South Asian artist, and trust me we don't get a lot of opportunities here and the pay is very little. Once a publishing firm contacted me and asked if I can design borders, corners, covers, and illustrations for their book. I am kinda new so I get very excited. I ask them about the pay, and you won't believe what they said to me. They said they have asked other artists too, so I have to do all that art and submit it to them, along with the other artists. They will pay if they choose my art. I was baffled, I said I can't do it. It was so hard for them to understand that even if they don't choose my art, they should pay as I am still putting in my time and labour. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
It makes me think of an art competition that happened in craft of embroidery. I don't remember what was the company, but they also wanted designs to sell. So they asked their customers to design and they would give exposer to the winner. It didn't happen the way they imaged XD. There were designs left and right having a variant of "Pay Artists" and "I don't work for exposure". I was young and didn't understand, but looking back, it was glorious.
art competitions can be fun in like small discord groups n stuff. get a good prompt n stuff going for inspo. It can get bad really quick though. I remember I used to be in an anime server where the owner would never let digital art win because he respected it less than trad. like.... you watch anime tho????
This is actually just sad. There are many people who love Billie Eilish and then they actually exploited that love. With these kind of competition, Billie will gain more fame and Adobe will rack revenues from subscription, especially to those who haven't subscribed yet to Adobe without having cost of sales. The winning artist? They would get recognition from their work, and maybe a chance to be famous also but since the two collaborators are much more famous than the artist, who gets to win for the fame? Oh well. To the unlucky artists? What did it cost you? Time? Money? Resources? Or all of them?
Adobe's products are great but I started using them long before the subscription model and have felt that the subscription model is incredibly exploitative. It makes the most sense when you're running a business but it's a heavy expense for artists who are still learning and growing. The contest itself blends that mix of the way indie/diy worked with corporate contracts. It's always so insulting to see that mix. I worked for free with musicians 20 years ago, no contracts but both parties benefitted and were happy with the terms. It wouldn't work now but there are clearly people who think they can hide behind this to get free labor.
hence piracy (or using Opensource Programme, I have used Krita for art and kind of prefer it over Photoshop) I always have maintained the stance that individual artists should pirate adobe since actual companies can't.
@@alaskabane5340 It was shocking how quickly people accepted the subscription model for software. I realize that a lot of this was fueled by academic institutions and businesses, their money talks a lot more than the average artist. But, I'm still surprised at how many individual artists don't use open source programs.
@@ringsroses I am too! I have used both Krita and Photoshop and I'd have to say, I prefer the layout and the style of Krita. I think one of the main reason artists are not using open source is cause they don't know much about it. We hear a lot about Photoshop or Procreate but never much about open source programs
This video got me wondering if their is anything to say about artists who willingly do free art for community projects, charity, ect. I have donated a lot of art over the years, usually physical copies, only requiring they provide materials. I guess the difference is that even though they own the art, they aren't directly profiting from it? Where does this type of art fit in the discussion of artists underselling their work?
If it's just done as a gift or donation, then it doesn't really feel as exploitative imo. But a contest is usually held with some sort of prize or compensation as an incentive.
There's a difference between donating art and blindly giving it away for free. You knew what it's purpose is for, the people you donated it to aren't profiting from it, and they gave you the materials, which offset the cost. In this case, you have to use your own stuff, Billie *and* Adobe are will profit from the art and you don't even get the exposure, since you don't own the rights to the product, and since a lot of contestants will be teens or younger adults, both parties are banking on these young artists to not read the contract where they state that they'll forfeit all rights.
I just love artists man, it pains my soul knowing how exploited they are for the talent and time-spent dedication they do with their work. And they get exploited in all kinds of fields, from business logos to personal commissions.
Ngl, I feel similar way towards Zines as well. Like imagine a whole community of artists compete for exposure/few dollars. Doesn’t sound right to mass produce expression easily as a soulless corporate arts type people. I prefer fan books like the one Japanese artists make that the money goes toward the artist for decent amount.
I'm from México and months before Billie's contest, México gov did Also a contest. SEP (public educación secretary) did a contest where artists could do the cover of the educative books for Elementary school. The winner Would have A piece of paper! Literally a piece of paper with the name of the artist sayng "thank You for doing this drawing" (i'm not sure but i think it has no payment for that and yes, the gov could Also use the other desings even if they didn't win. As You can imagine it didn't ended well.
Update: i forgot about it, it has no payment but wow You could have the book with the drawing! And the piece of paper, what a nice price don't You think? 🤣
This made me remember a similar situation that happened a year ago. Here in Mexico, the text books that you use in elementary school are especially provided by the SEP (Secretary of Public Education), this books had illustrations in their covers that represented the subject, but, with the time they just put the same illustration (named "La Patria") in the cover with the name of the subject. The thing is that a year ago the SEP (if I remember well) made a "contest", it consisted in make illustrations for the text books that them provided to all the children from the country. The winner would have their illustration in the cover of one of the subjects. A lot of people get mad because the following quote : "Cada participante recibirá únicamente una constancia por sus materiales visuales, con valor curricular, por parte de la Dirección General de Materiales Educativos, así como un ejemplar del libro en el que aparezca su ilustración y su crédito. ", this quote is in the convocatory and is literally translated to "Every participant will receive uniquely a constance for their visual materials, with corricular value, for part of General Direction of Educative Materials, and a copy of the book with their illustration and credits", there wasn't any payment or compensation for the artists and their work, practically they wanted a lot of free illustrations where they can just pick the one they liked most 💀 The good thing is that the people noticed and immediately made fun of this "contest", they just put the SEP in their place, made meme covers to laugh for a while and everything cool :D
I saw a very similar thing is happening at the official Games Job Fair Spring 2022. They do give a 500euro price to the first winner but honestly it's just companies asking for free concept art and designs for their games (cause they ask to match perfectly in style) from thousands of artists like me who are desperate to get a job in the industry and get noticed and it just feels sketchy af 🙄🙄 they pose it as an "art challenge"
still don't regret pirating Adobe apps for my school works back in high school. but talking about the contest, I knew something was wrong the moment there was no visibility (or little visibility when compared to Billie's face) of the arts submmited during the time entries were open. it was all Billie's face and Adobes's mark saying "show us your art and creativity :)". then you remember art exibithons and art festivals where we can see everyone's art because it's the first thing that we see the moment we put a step inside a gallery. btw who won the competition?
I realised how bad art competitions are, during my bachelor's in art degree. That was the last time I participated in any any so called "art competitions" Thank you to Megan and you for calling them out and being vocal about it. This should reach to more people so they aren't scammed.
I've never been a big fan of art contests. Small personal ones between art friends is one thing, large competitions like this I've never been a fan. I think I entered one contest and I hated the pressure and knew I couldn't win, but not winning also made he feel worse. I don't enter contests anymore, I simply hate it.
I am very disappointed in what adobe and Billie are doing to many artists. I do hope they will get their act together and give back to the many people who were pretty much scammed into exploitation, and not everyone may know this, so I am very glad there are people such as yourself who are exposing this injustice to artists everywhere. Thank you for your information.
@@abbacadaver So that’s how she rose so quickly. She had connections, anyone with connections raises in fame quicker than those who don’t. There’s no need to be jealous over that lmao, it’s like the easy and kinda lazy way to get famous.
The rules for the competition reminds me of the rules for getting hired as a Pixar or Disney animation intern.. The year I looked, you'd have to sign something stating that any art or writing you made is automatically owned by Disney. Even if it is a small doodle. So while an intern you can't make outside art or projects unless you want Disney to own them. That terrified me at the time because I wouldn't want Disney to own all of my art.
I really wish there was more conversation around this topic specifically. Not me, but a friend briefly worked for Disney herself. I'm actually not entirely sure what her role with Disney was at the time. It wasn't exactly in animation but it was a creative role. Her current job deals with cinematics directing at a different company now. She told me that she decided to just work on a fan comic that's of a different IP, from a different company entirely, during her free time to avoid possibly losing out on concepts or ideas she might have had for an original story. I asked her once if it would matter if she just worked on original art at home and didn't start posting her concepts and ideas until after she left Disney, but I don't think she wanted to find out if Disney might pursue a case in claiming it was drawn during her employment period. As far as she could tell, she thinks the stipulation is there because "you might be influenced or even try to lift ideas from behind the scenes concepts that might not make it to the final product" and that it's supposedly just a way for Disney to protect its IPs, even if it's material they never end up using. Or at least that's the reasoning I think? I'm not sure. I've heard that this practice is an industry standard though (not sure about that though) and I really wish there was more conversation about this. I've only ever heard about it from former employees, I've never seen or read an article calling it into question. :\
@@bozeia it's actually industry standard. Tech companies are the main Corps. that does this stuff. Even creating a basic web page means the company you work for now owns that work. Pretty shitty.
The 5:45 video is what saved me for falling for this scam tbh. I saw it months ago & thankfully I saw it before I saw the choke contest thing. Tysm for the person who posted that tiktok for sharing! /gen
Reminds me about the time I was skeptical to give up my rights of my submission for an art competition to the organisers. It was one of the 100 they chose and they required us to send them the original piece and sign that we give them the rights of the work. I didn't really want to but my art teachers said it would be great and all. Yeah, they made an art book which is sold for 50€ and none of us got anything out of it. Other than a shitty, rustled up art book which includes your work on one page with your name written in crappy, default font. Nice stuff
that is what i feel, in terms of respect to labor, overall treatment and money you can get, it usually works something like musicians > artists > writers and as a person who makes stuff in all 3 fields but in a reverse way (writer for entire life, okay-ish artist and noob musician) i feel so wrong about it
exactly why I would never enter anything like that....smh...thanks for the info...I always wondered why people would think I or most other artists want to work for clout....lol...who in the right mind works for clout...clout don't pay the bills....
Absolutely agreed with you! I also participated in some contests...Once I spent a month on an art that wasn't even shown anywhere 😂well at least it was the best work in my portfolio. But that was the last time I did such a stupid thing, it's not worth it :D
Wow, I never thought of art competitions that way. This was enlightening. I guess I just got lucky with an art competition when I got discovered and hired to do more work... I mean, the winners got payed but I guess I never thought about everyone else who put their time into work for basically nothing. Yikes, from now on I'll be extra careful and think twice about entering one of these contest.
i saw this argument on another art channel and the reaction there was mixed between saying this was okay to this is not okay. i would really love to see what age demographic for that.
So Billie alright with making songs for free🤦🏽♀️… how is she a creative herself and not see how unethical this is! She can afford to pay a team of artists to design merch for her! I bet she didn’t like that “for the exposure” during her come up🙄. Exposure don’t pay bills!
I’m late, but if you all didn’t know, Billie is human too. Both her and Adobe did something very wrong and they should take responsibility for that, and I’ve never liked adobe in the first place, their prices are ridiculous. But Billie is one person, she’s young, and she’s human, Adobe is a whole team of people. I don’t blame Billie, we all make mistakes, sometimes bigger than others. I’m not gonna go into detail about bad stuff I’ve done in the past, but there’s a lot that I could mention. I don’t blame Billie, but this is just my opinion, feel free to hate on me if you’d like.
This competition is not asking for professional artists to make her a merch design for free. This is for her fans who make art based on her. Those artworks in a normal scenario would never reach Billie and artist would not get paid for it either. Now they have an opportunity to let Billie see their art and get it on the merch. She is not forcing anyone to take part. I am pretty sure whoever will participate will do for the love of Billie and would be more than happy for Billie seeing their art and if it gets chosen Its even better.... Even without these competitions, many people make art based on her without getting money. She is just giving an opportunity to those people. It is not like she is snatching something from them. it is all voluntary. But yeah artists should be allowed to use whatever medium they like to create the art and it should not be limited to Adobe tools
agreed, good video! Only the winning artist's work should be co-opted by the contest, the rest should be 'returned' to the artists and the winner should not only be paid for their work but also credited on the merch or somewhere in the tour marketing. IMHO
have we just forgotten how her video with blue liquid pouring out of her eyes was "inspired" (more like copied because she didn't really change it) from a fanart? a fan made a creative drawing, and billie might have credited her (god i hope she did) but i'm damn sure that artist is not making royalties in millions out of that video because they definitely bought the copyright from the poor fan in the name of "this celebrity likes it and you made it for her so now say bye bye and thank us for it"
I’m only gonna say this, Adobe did this before with lil nas x, same format and everything. As far as I’m concerned they never announced the winners or anything similar, and the website with the contest details has been removed. L for Adobe, that’s why I’m using CSP :)
The only reason why I don’t participate on art contests is the copyright section. Very little and numbered competitions do give some credit and exposure to the winner and at least the top 3 o top 5 finalist, and that’s barely a minimum. Indeed, as someone below in the comments said, the dtiys contests make a better positive impact on the community than this big competitions.
Man… almost everything about this video was so calming, that warm to cold contrast in the background, the movie playing behind him, the flute music, THAT PLANT 🪴- plus his nice low voice, literally nailed that scenery 💯
I don't even have to think to know it's a Scam. Imagine being told you'll have a chance to win a Prize for a Piece you'd be working on for several days, that's a raffle ticket with 10x the work!! And they can keep all that art while just rewarding 1 person!! You lose more than you gain!!
I don’t know why, but it feels so wholesome to be called a penguin by this guy. Thanks for the informative video and the boost to my self esteem at the end!!
My friend entered a art competition, her and I were with one other friend at the time and he asked how the competition was going. She was like, "I don't expect to win." and he's like "Why?" he was genuinely confused. The first thing I said, the first thing that came to mind was literally, "Art Competitions are scams man." and the moment she heard this, she look at me, I looked at her, and we just nodded in solemn agreement. Like this is just a fact of life- Poor guy, he was so confused.
Ok I almost thought she was right so I deleted my comment, but I read through that section of the rules again on the website and it has "Each entrant (unless the Grand Prize or a First winner) retains ownership of their Entry." so unless you win Adobe nor Billie can just take the art of the person who submits their art.
Every time I get an ad for an art contest I immediately check to see what happens to the art submitted whether you win or not. I don't want a piece they don't even pay me for to end up in a damn banner ad
They sctually said they will use artwork in the future of the non winners? That is really...evil. They should pay whoever they use. I just don't even have words. Gonna grab some popcorn and read through billies Twitter lol
3:26 This is Basically CLip Studio Paint in a nutshell now, since V2 will be monthly payment, with the worst to come a paid update license & Cel$y$ hosts contest monthly, they are not going to compensate artists who will pay monthly & Patriciate on their contest
Twitch Streamers, Podcasters do this too. They ALWAYS ask to have art sent to them from fans that they will then turn into merch, logos and graphics for their branding.
I can't get past how Adobe could do something like that, especially since it's such a big platform for artists with a MASSIVE community! they should know better than to scam their own community for a quick buck.
Wait I know it's off topic but I love your pfp-
thank you!!
I'm not surprised to be honest. I tried out adobe because my online art class was teaching some of photoshop. the teacher had a link to a free month long trial so it would match up with the course. looks like adobe took that away because the only free trial was a week long. A week, for every single program on the creative cloud. If someone wanted to trial run these programs to see what would fit for them they'd barely have time in an average week. The website actively tried to direct users to buying the pay yearly version so people have to shell out a shit ton of money, and if they wanted to cancel there's a fee for that too. I had to set an alarm to cancel the week long free trial because if I didn't they'd immediately charge me for the first month. I probably can't avoid them forever but for now in my early art career I'm staying away form adobe. Money leeches.
I believe it. Adobe has gone off the deep end of being shitty in the past few years given how they've been since switching to the cloud.
@@st4rdyy LOL! Thank you, I drew it myself 🎀🎀💕
Artists who do DTIYS contests and give out prizes to their winners and even consolation prizes to participants are doing a better job of rewarding artists than these giant companies.
I always looked at DTIYSs as a way for artists to hone and practice their styles. And if there's a contest, that's just a cherry on the top. Never found them predatory the way these huge art competitions are. Yet so many young artists get roped in to them, I hate it.
I remember hopping into a DTIYS some years ago, when i was in middle school, and back then i already knew that my submission wasn't that good (it was very bad actually, but nothing close to sticky figure), but i posted anyway and the artist who organized the contest (a huge one on instagram) even commented on my post, it made 13 yo me so damn happy, these contests are so good for the art community
As an artist who held dtiys contest before, i remember adding from only 2 winners to 4 winners bcs the submissions are so good. Making the prize for them is also fun too! I love dtiys.
I’ve done a dtiys before, there wasn’t any first or second place or anything, nor was there a prize. I just think it’s a good way to get around art block.
It can be a great growth opportunity if you’re looking to grow your art, channel/account, style etc! I did two and it gave me a confidence boost 😂. The people who hosted it were so nice to everyone’s entries. If I ever go farther I wanna host one too
Twitter cancelling someone for the right reasons? Impossible...
we didn't see that coming but we like it!
@@MohammedAgbadi We really do😂
🙄
FR I was surprised too lmao
YEAH IMPOSSIBLE
With things like this I always feel most bad for the young artists who don't understand that they're being scammed.
atleast we can make them aware so they don't fall this next time
Yeah me too. I would have done this in a heartbeat when I was younger!
Especially with Billie having a lot of young fans
How is it being scammed. Can you please explain?
Personally, I’d enter because I think it’s payment enough to see your art featured on a very popular artists merchandise. But I do think the top three, or the winner should get a prize. That’s how most art contests I’ve seen work anyways.
A prize that isn’t your art on a shirt. Money preferably haha
Its sad how little respect artists get
POV you're an artist
everyone else🚶🏾♂️🚶🏾♂️🚶🏾♂️
@@MohammedAgbadi 😔
From choosing beggars, commission scams, NFTs and then this...
Yeah people always tell them to just change job when they mention about their struggles.As if it solve anything on a broad level.
Because if you're poor it's your fault amarite boiz?
If you wanted to live decently,you should have learned to code or something,right?
Facts, visual artists should be just as popular and mainstream as musical artists.
this is why i always said
"it's okay to pirate adobe products, it's always morally correct"
or if you don't even want to associate with that shitty company, come over to open source. I actually prefer Krita to Photoshop
Clip Studio Paint all the way baybeee
Fire alpaca for me
I tried photoshop once and i hated it, rn im using medibang paint
@@PulloutMaster Medibang paint supremacy 👍👍
Never liked big art competitions. Winning is basically like winning the lottery except an entry takes hours of hard work and effort, only to find out you’ve forfeited all rights to your work once you submit with no compensation if you don’t win. As a bonus, young artists blame everything on themselves at the end because at the end of the day “it’s my fault I didn’t read the terms and conditions.” I can’t believe this is still happening and big companies/celebrities - who can afford good art themselves - would rather scam young talents in guise of a competition instead of just… paying for a commission. At least with this whole situation more artists are now aware of these scummy tactics.
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Only good version I've seen was the Wilbur Soot competition. He didn't claim rights over any of the work, he created his own little drawing thing so artists had a challenge and it made for some really cool art, I can't remember what the winner got but I don't think it was just exposure.
What’s so dumb too is there’s a shit ton of fanart of Billie. She or her team could find one they like, contact the artist and buy it from them with some sort of royalty contact attached.
@@burd4141 I remember that competition and the people who won got a set of Wilbur's merch for free :D (there were like 7 winners if I remember correctly)
I never liked art competitions because it forges this mindset and implication of “I’m better” and “I’m a terrible creator” in young artists (I was one of them) whether they win and lose. All the work and effort wasted with no compensation and it makes me wonder “why even TRY to participate?” Because there’s a chance their work aren’t even glanced at just because they didn’t win. Even if I win, chances are because there aren’t enough artists with a similar skill level, so it’s not fair to me, which is a situation I have faced at a young age.
Also why I don’t care about shows like XFactor or American Idol, as well as the Grammys.
Billie, as an ARTIST, should at least partially understand that exposure means nothing in the art world. And as much as Billie is at fault, Adobe should be ashamed. I’ve always hated adobe and their business and how insanely expensive their products are, but cmon, really? They should know how this is such a crappy way to hold an art contest, at least give the top few winners some sort of financial incentive
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But.... $10k. Thats half my annual income.
@@beastamer1990s yea but that’s only for the #1 winner. I agree though, that IS a pretty hefty prize
Oh, I'm sure Adobe knows what they're doing. They would've run. this through their legal dept before running the contest.
@@Rockin_Art 100%
"Exposure can only take you so far but $2000 can pay your rent" words to live by. Should put that on a shirt.
Imagine winning and you revealed that you used Krita.
Bro- 😭
the real power move would be with idk fucking FireAlpaca lmao
How 'bout my man Ibis Paint X
disqualified 😭😭
**uses ms paint**
They aren’t looking for art. They just want thousands of creative young people to think intently about them for hours to weeks at a time. The contest is an ad campaign. The artists are the targets of an ad campaign. Any good art that comes out of the contest is just a bonus.
Pretty much this! As someone who does illustrations for ad campaigns... I can tell it's THEM who are getting the exposure. They will have at least one free ad on thousands of accounts with organic reach and will be trending in several platforms. Doing this just with money would be extremely expensive even for a big company.
I liked and it turned to 1k
This is incredibly disappointing on Billie's part. She could've been coaxed or not, but I sincerely hope she doesn't go through with this. Artists should be supporting each other, not taking advantage.
i dunno...i'm sure it was probably the management's fault smh
It's 50/50 depending on the celebrity. A lot of celebs don't know anything about the brands they're promoting other than they're face is on something and they know that their fans will participate. Some DO however and they just don't care.
I'm guessing not, she's very young, and considering the majority of her personality (being vegan for example, while that doesn't inherently make a good person, and stopping concerts to help fans with asthma) I'm thinking it had to do with management. She could very well not know the reality of these contests and was just told to advertise it.
So she's celebrated for achieving so much while young but when this happens she's young and was coaxed🙄. It's more simply to just blame her pr team bc she's a big celebrity right now. It's not like she "was coaxed" when probably she didn't knew
In her eyes she was probably thinking her fans want to create art for her and that it would be fun community type thing. I mean she is still pretty young. I guess I more blame Adobe because Adobe is just SO greedy. But what do I know haha🤷🏻♀️
Even Clip Studio, a program with a one time payment and probably makes way less than Adobe, can pay their contest winners
It’s the one I’m using. So happy with it !
Finally, Twitter does something right
Lol for real, was just thinking the same thing😂
same!!! never thought i'll see that happening!
Dear friend@@MohammedAgbadi
There's never too few warnings about not letting someone exploit you, but I'd say the example You provided isn't an adequate one. There is a difference between your employer giving you too little money, and a contest with not-so-good rewards. It may be hard to quit a bad job, but you are not obligated to participate in a contest. And when you participate in one, you could have just check what the reward is. For some, the possibility of topping everyone just for the sake of rivalization, or to pay respect to your favourite musician (which is the case here) is good enough, and for people who want money or other goods there are hundreds of other contests. Adobe could give prize money of course, but I think the fact that they didn't should be treated as unreasonable and cheap at most, which still is worth criticizing, but not necessarily evil. That is also why I wouldn't treat Billie's part in this as an attempt to scam her fans, because for all that we know, she may have not even known about the no-prize before the contest was annouced, and if she knew - then she would also be - in the worst case scenario - stingy.
Elaborate if You want, don't if You don't, sending my most sincere words of praise and respect, XYZ
@@antonisadkowski8598 what?
@@muchietroublmaker what? What? can't handle the facts??
jk
This kind of reminds me of that time Dua Lipa used Hanavbara's fanart of her to promote "Future Nostalgia" on instagram, and even had the guts to cut the artist's name on the image 🤣🤣🤣 of course this illustration wasn't paid either, they just downloaded it and cut the artist's name out of the image lol. And even if the artist said they don't mind 'cause they enjoy Dua Lipa's songs...it's still a pretty shady and ugly thing to do to an artist 🙃🙃
“The artist didn’t mind because they like her music” and thats why these celebrities do that crap, because their fans will do mental backflips to excuse things like theft because they like a song or movie the person does
@@wil.d_sage indeed!
Yeah the artist who just took it on the chin is just yikes...
I did not know that 😬 yikes
@@soisaws dua seems to have been a made by the record artist. So this is part of her thing. Billie even if she’s young or something should know better. If she knows how bad the porn industry is on normal women and sex perception (or something along the lines she said in an interview) she should know this. It doesn’t take rocket science and having years living to know how predatory it is.
Not sure how I feel about contests tbh. When I was a 16-17 year old I basically breathed contests. I participated in gamejams, competitions from big companies, many of them were rigged and predatory, but I just enjoyed competing. I put my entire soul and heart into a submission for a massive contest that Discord hosted in 2019 and I didn't win. I was shattered by that and didn't put out any piece of work for months after that. But lo and behold that contest submission went viral six months later and I have an actual career from it.
Ooowow, did you post it somewhere like on insta?
Was it one of ur songs?
When i was younger i participarea în competition and drew stuff (IT was all Scholl related) bc IT was kinda my thing and i didnt mind but like You mentioned IT was rigged and no matter my talent and skill i never got recognozed, nor and that is worse got my talent appreciated.
Made me disliked all this "competitions" , now i only partipate in dtiys and even engaged in 2 colabs.
@@lilpretzel5629 Contest many times will either choose an artist who has a big following, fame in the community or even a sob story to make themselves look like the “good chance”. I expected it of adobe since their prices show how f disgusting they are charging hundreds a month instead of allowing you to buy the program altogether even if is the old versions.
Omg exyl :0 ping is amazing
It'd be funny if everyone submitted to this competition with watermarks plastered all over their work so if they win then they demand compensation for the markless version.
It's possible that they will just not choose the one with a water mark.
Its not as hard as you think to remove watermarks.
@@j_bubblez279 Ik ppl have underestimated cropping pics imao, it’s not even that hard 🤷
@@kasualvfx4985 That’s why a lot of artists put their signature or watermark in the middle of the image or hide it within the art itself. I saw someone who put their watermark as an inconspicuous tattoo on the characters they drew
@@adeviantsponge7328 fr
I'm surprised people still exist in the hell that is twitter
where else can they get drama, violence, and entertainment at the same time! hahha
It seems today that all you see is violence in twitter-
I don't think I can go on
if there's content, there's content, and i don't usually mind
Bottom line, crowdsourcing is unethical. No guarantee of payment, which for artists supporting themselves through their work is a huge waste of time.
I'm also very surprised adobe actually signed off on this.
In the words of my professor: "they don't accept exposure as payment at the grocery store."
If only it was done s little more like Open Source projects
Adobe is literally the shark asshole of the art work but given most employers require them is a devil we must use. No one likes them, flash was an ass and animate became better but was still bs at times. Illustrator can take time to save and even break and corrupt cause lol.
this is why im glad Clip Studio Paint can be a one payment done deal and they have sales
i usually stay away from contests because i feel im not good enough but also scams
The one time purchase is only for PC. You still have to pay a subscription if you use Clip Studio on a tablet.
@@lunayen well i dont use a tablet(well i do but it gets connected to my computer for me to use on said pc) so i didnt know that
Procreate is legit $10 and is a one time payment. Biggest overhead cost is the actual tech itself
@@VampyBlood17
There's no procreate for Android.
I didnt play i somehow managed to use my sisters code for mine. it only worked twice
Like Adobe could`ve at least said the winner gets a free year of the Adobe suite. It would still be super uncomfortable with those terms and conditions but what would they lose from doing at least that? So glad Affinity is a good alternative in a lot of ways!
Oh and some of the merch that would be cool too. Adobe is so freaking hungry for money these days. And apparently Billies agency and stuff too. Don`t know if Billie wasn`t really aware at the beginning but now she should know for sure that it`s shady.
In fact they might even gain something from it cos the person might start subscribing after that cos they like the product, like if they hadn't used it beforw
@@mackaroni9792 good point.
Lol no wonder Adobe is pirated a lot/find a better alternative for it, and there's a lot.
@@BiBiren I bought the Affinity programs and I am very happy ^^. They update regularly and I only had to pay once. Been working with them for roughly a year now maybe even longer I lost track of time since like 3 years ago xD.
I think some people don’t know or underestimate the potential for a future with art skills. There is this everlasting starving artist trope that still lives on and it’s sad while at the same time having more jobs than ever in the art industry: fine arts, concept art, illustration, graphic design, 3d art, matte painting, story boards etc. Then some people don’t see anything wrong with situations such as this one. A shame really.
Interesting to know that many of the big companies that constantly credit artist are in China their are indie projects getting full funding support in a short time frame at points WTF
This is why an artist should also be a business person. Your skill is your product, your property, and your right. A lot of artists don’t know what they’re worth and don’t advertise/negotiate well, among other things. If you look at a pattern of successful artists, most of them are also remarkable businessmen/businesswomen. They know how to sell their skill, even if they’re not as talented as another artist. If they themselves don’t do business well, they know someone who does, and get help from them or learn from them. This separates hobbyist from professional artist.
Im glad my parents talked to me about about how companies kind of always have malicious intent like this up their sleeves.
I remember as a kid thinking it would be cool to send an idea for a new pokemon design to pokemon and my parents told me that they would probably just use the design and not credit me if I did.
And ever since then I've tried to be more aware to prevent getting involved in situations like that or similar ones.
Sorry if I didn't word this well I tried. 👉👈
Don't apologize, you worded it perfectly
My mom always says that companies don’t do things for free. They all have something to gain from you, whether it is your art, you’re money or your information
Your parents taught you well, and it's good to be aware of these kinds of things. The truth is big companies and celebrities will abuse their power however they can to get away with doing shady business just for personal gain, and the sad thing is it usually works. So it's our job to not give them that chance and make it aware to others who are more vulnerable.
Also TBH, even if Pokemon can take fan ideas and make them without crediting, they probably won't do that. They have an art team that designs all the Pokemon you see and don't accept fan ideas.
I do often come up with cool Pokemon designs now and then, but I NEVER send Nintendo it. I loan em out from time to time, but never to bigger groups.
The golden rule is: Companies don’t care about you. Companies are not your friends. Companies do not have morals. It’s a corporation. What they do care about is your money. That’s it. If they do something that appeals to your ethos or pathos, that’s so you can give them your money. It’s the hard truth, but it’s the truth nonetheless
The worst thing is, they'll take the winners art, give it to a designer to put onto posters/t-shirts/merch... And THAT designer that's looking at your work while they simply paste it in place WILL BE PAID
I almost entered a Gran Turismo livery competition, but they also had the line where they own all used design elements after entry, and some of the elements I used on the car were mine that I use for myself.
And the prize? They use it in the game and out your gamer tag with it... That was it. Not even your name 😆
I refused to enter right there and then and simply posted the livery in game, which got thousands of likes/reposts anyway and the design elements are still mine.
Yoo that was me who was reached out to by the agency, Thanks for the love and great video!
No way! This is Amazing!! Much love to you!!!
They could at least give like a lifetime of free adobe products
just 6months1 we're not asking for too much!
1:09 Mohammed just talks out of his ass
@@MohammedAgbadi
Stop underselling yourself, man. 1 year for the winner, 6 months for the runner-ups and 1 month for every participant would be a better deal.
@@MohammedAgbadi nope it should be a year. You know better than anyone who pricy adobe is
@@lunayen agreed should be that at least
Adobe is literally backstabbing themselves with this contest
tbh, i was so shocked seeing it.
but its internet drama no one is going to care or remember but it might hurt their overall revenue since they make the most of their money through subscriptions.
@@ahmedhussain9095 it's Twitter drama most of the time that can actually change people's perspective and make them stop using Adobe if they're one of those people that hate the thought that their work is owned by a company without their credit.
@@TonsilsIsSad I hope so, adobe just sucks as a company
Wtf, royalty free and perpetual rights? Even if you lose the contest?! That is a massive exploitation. That is so sad.
The good old "exposure" routine. I designed a racecar wrap for a client. When it was time to pay, he tried to pay in exposure. He didn't pay saying he told me how to design it - whatever. I was also working on a racecar wrap for another client at the same time then redesigned it to teach first guy a lesson - told the second client, you don't gotta pay me but lemme get creative with it - he's like sure. So both guys raced in the same league and people loved the second guy's wrap way more than the first guy's wrap. Do you know the first guy was like he wanted to sue me because the wrap "wasn't visually appealing"? I'm like sue me for what? you "designed" it right and you didn't pay so there's no contract to sue over, you got *exactly* what you paid for sir. The second guy paid me and gave me a bonus - a person who values your work and your worth *will have no problems paying you for it* so my lesson was to fire clients who have difficulty seeing your worth and I advise young artists to do the same
this should be the pinned comment
what a story and advice! inspiring and useful
Billie Eilish and Adobe are like that weird aunt who tries guilt tripping you into painting their dog for free.
We can all identify with that
My entire family forces me to draw for them so They can hang it up in their house.
@@mammonsgirlmammonsama9565 it’s annoying. They always be peeping when you draw too
I don't know how to draw well, but i would say i'm good at editing videos, so i have this great-aunt that she's always, "can you make a video for your cousin that you've never seen in your life and never knew existed and don't even know her name? she's graduating from college" or "Your great-grandmother's birthday is coming up, can you edit a tribute video? But you'll need a projector and computer right away" Like, besides asking for free stuff, he still wants me to bring a projector to show the video, I don't even have an projector! And this side of the family is always like that wanting things for free my grandma works in party decoration and on my great grandma's last birthday she had the whole party for free and there was still a fight because they wanted to keep a decoration for them, detail: This great-grandmother is not my grandmother's mother, she is the mother of her ex husband, my grandfather, the two have been divorced for decades
@Madame exactly and then they are like can you not use style it looks bad, make it realistic. And then when it comes to the end result they always say it looks weird or not like them. I and I am like I DONT DRAW REALISM!!!!
I guess the prize literally is just having Billie gain money for your hard work and have it ve considered an ‘official’ product, but these talented people could sell these shirts without the competition and actually gain something! It would be a lot cooler if the prize was your design on her shirt AND a ticket to one of her shows or some money.
Or like a year of Adobe free!!
Same thoughts! That's a HUGE support prize.
@@Brzzyswrld idk man, 10k is not bad at all, even if she ends up making a lot more, royalties would be better but still
This isn't even the first time she's been in trouble with exploiting artists. I seem to recall she was selling merchandise with art that was traced over Love Life fanart. Absurd.
In my highschools art class, a local food produce factory held an art contest to design a new logo for them. It was aimed for like only 8th grades across nearby schools, and this contest was made part of our curriculum, and refusal meant it might impact your grade. If I remember right the "prize" was like a months worth of produce, oh and ofcourse the fame it would bring (not). Wild times.
I dont know if the winning logo was used as is, or if it was rendered later by a professional, dont remember ever seeing the winning dancing potato logo anywhere, other than our art teacher showing us who ended up winning + some runner ups.
same. we had to do a bus wrap competition in art class my freshman year. honestly kinda sucked tpp
Why does this remind of the fact that the modern American flag was designed by a kid
I can handle a rando on the internet trying to get "payment in exposure" art because they're just... a person with bad morals, but a whole company who's entire client base is creatives? ICKY. They should know better.
if somebody defends billie as "oh its her team's decision" like she's a mindless puppet with no brain of her own i'm gonna lose it. Blame the celebrity when they fuck up if you like to celebrate every little achievement of theirs so greatly. She's the biggest example of getting so much for so little effort and if it has to be that, fine, her really goddamn lucky fate and life. But please hold her accountable for things too. Balance it out.
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I have to point out how funny your rant is but comments below your reply goes on about it how it could be her management and even Agbadi himself goes "I'm sure it's her management, smh." Lmao, prepare to lose your head, dude.
@@danmakes2497 she's not a mindless puppet. She had a say in this. If her management is keeping her a prisoner she should stop with the drugs and actually do something about it.
@@mksketchms I never disagreed with what you said; I'm just pointing out with your comment and immediately underneath them are comments going about how it's her management, including the uploader saying it, and how ironic and funny it is with your comment. That's all.
@@kwhodostuff5504 read my comment again
I'm so glad someone brings attention to how basically all art contests are terrible due to the fact that they do indeed own your art for no cost and can do whatever they want with it. That's why I was so pissed at my university where in my art course a lot of assignments were obligatory contest entries. Even "better" when you have to pay the fee to even enter, just wow. Some contests offer you winning a place in art exhibiton, but oh I both had my art in exhibitons and I organized art exhibitons and it's all just load of garbage with fakely infladed audiences made also mainly out of other artists. And just like contests own your art, exhibitons often dont even care enough and damage or lose your physical pieces I am stil pissed thinging about it. I always hated contests and I'm so so glad people finally aknowledge my rage ;lkjhg
I'm an artist and I had no idea stuff like this was a thing :o I am glad I found out now before I fell for such a scam. Thanks for the info!
I am a South Asian artist, and trust me we don't get a lot of opportunities here and the pay is very little. Once a publishing firm contacted me and asked if I can design borders, corners, covers, and illustrations for their book. I am kinda new so I get very excited. I ask them about the pay, and you won't believe what they said to me. They said they have asked other artists too, so I have to do all that art and submit it to them, along with the other artists. They will pay if they choose my art.
I was baffled, I said I can't do it. It was so hard for them to understand that even if they don't choose my art, they should pay as I am still putting in my time and labour. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
It makes me think of an art competition that happened in craft of embroidery. I don't remember what was the company, but they also wanted designs to sell. So they asked their customers to design and they would give exposer to the winner.
It didn't happen the way they imaged XD. There were designs left and right having a variant of "Pay Artists" and "I don't work for exposure".
I was young and didn't understand, but looking back, it was glorious.
I remember seeing that too!! Its so funny
Twitter doing something GOOD? Miracles do happen.
hahaahha
I absolutely hate people who exploit others hard work for there own gain
Aleays remember guys, it is always morally correct to pirate adobe products
art competitions can be fun in like small discord groups n stuff. get a good prompt n stuff going for inspo. It can get bad really quick though. I remember I used to be in an anime server where the owner would never let digital art win because he respected it less than trad. like.... you watch anime tho????
Guy only watch anime in flipbooks animation
This is actually just sad. There are many people who love Billie Eilish and then they actually exploited that love. With these kind of competition, Billie will gain more fame and Adobe will rack revenues from subscription, especially to those who haven't subscribed yet to Adobe without having cost of sales.
The winning artist? They would get recognition from their work, and maybe a chance to be famous also but since the two collaborators are much more famous than the artist, who gets to win for the fame? Oh well.
To the unlucky artists? What did it cost you? Time? Money? Resources? Or all of them?
Adobe's products are great but I started using them long before the subscription model and have felt that the subscription model is incredibly exploitative. It makes the most sense when you're running a business but it's a heavy expense for artists who are still learning and growing.
The contest itself blends that mix of the way indie/diy worked with corporate contracts. It's always so insulting to see that mix. I worked for free with musicians 20 years ago, no contracts but both parties benefitted and were happy with the terms. It wouldn't work now but there are clearly people who think they can hide behind this to get free labor.
hence piracy (or using Opensource Programme, I have used Krita for art and kind of prefer it over Photoshop) I always have maintained the stance that individual artists should pirate adobe since actual companies can't.
@@alaskabane5340 It was shocking how quickly people accepted the subscription model for software. I realize that a lot of this was fueled by academic institutions and businesses, their money talks a lot more than the average artist. But, I'm still surprised at how many individual artists don't use open source programs.
@@ringsroses I am too! I have used both Krita and Photoshop and I'd have to say, I prefer the layout and the style of Krita. I think one of the main reason artists are not using open source is cause they don't know much about it. We hear a lot about Photoshop or Procreate but never much about open source programs
This video got me wondering if their is anything to say about artists who willingly do free art for community projects, charity, ect. I have donated a lot of art over the years, usually physical copies, only requiring they provide materials.
I guess the difference is that even though they own the art, they aren't directly profiting from it?
Where does this type of art fit in the discussion of artists underselling their work?
You're not selling your work then. It wouldn't fit in the discussion, since it'd be considered a gift
If it's just done as a gift or donation, then it doesn't really feel as exploitative imo. But a contest is usually held with some sort of prize or compensation as an incentive.
There's a difference between donating art and blindly giving it away for free. You knew what it's purpose is for, the people you donated it to aren't profiting from it, and they gave you the materials, which offset the cost. In this case, you have to use your own stuff, Billie *and* Adobe are will profit from the art and you don't even get the exposure, since you don't own the rights to the product, and since a lot of contestants will be teens or younger adults, both parties are banking on these young artists to not read the contract where they state that they'll forfeit all rights.
Oh dang. I was planning on submitting something I made in the contest, very glad I didn't now.
apparently it ended a month ago or so.. just go on twitter and see the entries people are sending lmaooo
I just love artists man, it pains my soul knowing how exploited they are for the talent and time-spent dedication they do with their work.
And they get exploited in all kinds of fields, from business logos to personal commissions.
Ngl, I feel similar way towards Zines as well. Like imagine a whole community of artists compete for exposure/few dollars. Doesn’t sound right to mass produce expression easily as a soulless corporate arts type people. I prefer fan books like the one Japanese artists make that the money goes toward the artist for decent amount.
Agbadi: "And for Artists who are using Photoshop for their Artworks you're probably paying monthly too".
Me: *Laughs in Crack and Pirated Versions*
keyword legitimately XD
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@@xhtt sorry, we hire a computer technician to download the application..
I'm from México and months before Billie's contest, México gov did Also a contest.
SEP (public educación secretary) did a contest where artists could do the cover of the educative books for Elementary school. The winner Would have A piece of paper! Literally a piece of paper with the name of the artist sayng "thank You for doing this drawing" (i'm not sure but i think it has no payment for that and yes, the gov could Also use the other desings even if they didn't win. As You can imagine it didn't ended well.
Update: i forgot about it, it has no payment but wow You could have the book with the drawing! And the piece of paper, what a nice price don't You think? 🤣
This made me remember a similar situation that happened a year ago.
Here in Mexico, the text books that you use in elementary school are especially provided by the SEP (Secretary of Public Education), this books had illustrations in their covers that represented the subject, but, with the time they just put the same illustration (named "La Patria") in the cover with the name of the subject.
The thing is that a year ago the SEP (if I remember well) made a "contest", it consisted in make illustrations for the text books that them provided to all the children from the country. The winner would have their illustration in the cover of one of the subjects.
A lot of people get mad because the following quote : "Cada participante recibirá únicamente una constancia por sus materiales visuales, con valor curricular, por parte de la
Dirección General de Materiales Educativos, así como un ejemplar del libro en el que aparezca su ilustración y su crédito.
", this quote is in the convocatory and is literally translated to "Every participant will receive uniquely a constance for their visual materials, with corricular value, for part of General Direction of Educative Materials, and a copy of the book with their illustration and credits", there wasn't any payment or compensation for the artists and their work, practically they wanted a lot of free illustrations where they can just pick the one they liked most 💀
The good thing is that the people noticed and immediately made fun of this "contest", they just put the SEP in their place, made meme covers to laugh for a while and everything cool :D
This wasn’t so long ago, happen last year.
The memes were GOLD. I'm so glad it went the way it did lol
@@deysimmd1997 Yup, sorry my bad, I'm going to edit it
I love you for commenting this💙
I saw a very similar thing is happening at the official Games Job Fair Spring 2022. They do give a 500euro price to the first winner but honestly it's just companies asking for free concept art and designs for their games (cause they ask to match perfectly in style) from thousands of artists like me who are desperate to get a job in the industry and get noticed and it just feels sketchy af 🙄🙄 they pose it as an "art challenge"
still don't regret pirating Adobe apps for my school works back in high school.
but talking about the contest, I knew something was wrong the moment there was no visibility (or little visibility when compared to Billie's face) of the arts submmited during the time entries were open. it was all Billie's face and Adobes's mark saying "show us your art and creativity :)". then you remember art exibithons and art festivals where we can see everyone's art because it's the first thing that we see the moment we put a step inside a gallery.
btw who won the competition?
I realised how bad art competitions are, during my bachelor's in art degree. That was the last time I participated in any any so called "art competitions"
Thank you to Megan and you for calling them out and being vocal about it. This should reach to more people so they aren't scammed.
I enjoy your videos that are brutally honest enough to reveal a lot of inside stories of illustrators.
I appreciate that!
I've never been a big fan of art contests. Small personal ones between art friends is one thing, large competitions like this I've never been a fan. I think I entered one contest and I hated the pressure and knew I couldn't win, but not winning also made he feel worse. I don't enter contests anymore, I simply hate it.
What I’ve been upset about for ages now is that photoshop use to be a one time purchase program 😭
There’s a name for this, it’s called “Spec Work”. This is so blatantly cheap and exploitive.
I am very disappointed in what adobe and Billie are doing to many artists. I do hope they will get their act together and give back to the many people who were pretty much scammed into exploitation, and not everyone may know this, so I am very glad there are people such as yourself who are exposing this injustice to artists everywhere. Thank you for your information.
I’ll admit that I’m jealous of Billie’s quick “self-made” fame at a young age but she’s not even on our side anymore.
Don’t her parents have ties into the music industry?
@@pissum420 Yeah, I’m pretty sure. At least her brother did
@@abbacadaver So that’s how she rose so quickly. She had connections, anyone with connections raises in fame quicker than those who don’t. There’s no need to be jealous over that lmao, it’s like the easy and kinda lazy way to get famous.
YES!! I so do agree with this. Also yea, Megan is a great artist!!
she's amazing!! did you see my message in the chat on discord! sad stuff
Wow, Twitter actually does something right for once, I'm genuinely impressed!
The rules for the competition reminds me of the rules for getting hired as a Pixar or Disney animation intern.. The year I looked, you'd have to sign something stating that any art or writing you made is automatically owned by Disney. Even if it is a small doodle. So while an intern you can't make outside art or projects unless you want Disney to own them.
That terrified me at the time because I wouldn't want Disney to own all of my art.
I really wish there was more conversation around this topic specifically. Not me, but a friend briefly worked for Disney herself. I'm actually not entirely sure what her role with Disney was at the time. It wasn't exactly in animation but it was a creative role. Her current job deals with cinematics directing at a different company now.
She told me that she decided to just work on a fan comic that's of a different IP, from a different company entirely, during her free time to avoid possibly losing out on concepts or ideas she might have had for an original story. I asked her once if it would matter if she just worked on original art at home and didn't start posting her concepts and ideas until after she left Disney, but I don't think she wanted to find out if Disney might pursue a case in claiming it was drawn during her employment period.
As far as she could tell, she thinks the stipulation is there because "you might be influenced or even try to lift ideas from behind the scenes concepts that might not make it to the final product" and that it's supposedly just a way for Disney to protect its IPs, even if it's material they never end up using. Or at least that's the reasoning I think? I'm not sure.
I've heard that this practice is an industry standard though (not sure about that though) and I really wish there was more conversation about this. I've only ever heard about it from former employees, I've never seen or read an article calling it into question. :\
@@bozeia it's actually industry standard. Tech companies are the main Corps. that does this stuff. Even creating a basic web page means the company you work for now owns that work. Pretty shitty.
So even your own ocs would be disneys???
Yesssss!!! Everytime I see an art competition anywhere where the goal is to sell your art without paying you it makes me so mad.
The 5:45 video is what saved me for falling for this scam tbh. I saw it months ago & thankfully I saw it before I saw the choke contest thing. Tysm for the person who posted that tiktok for sharing! /gen
Reminds me about the time I was skeptical to give up my rights of my submission for an art competition to the organisers. It was one of the 100 they chose and they required us to send them the original piece and sign that we give them the rights of the work. I didn't really want to but my art teachers said it would be great and all. Yeah, they made an art book which is sold for 50€ and none of us got anything out of it. Other than a shitty, rustled up art book which includes your work on one page with your name written in crappy, default font. Nice stuff
THANK YOU for bringing this up! It’s been bothering me for years!
Wow, it's not like I heard this story before...
that is what i feel, in terms of respect to labor, overall treatment and money you can get, it usually works something like
musicians > artists > writers
and as a person who makes stuff in all 3 fields but in a reverse way (writer for entire life, okay-ish artist and noob musician) i feel so wrong about it
exactly why I would never enter anything like that....smh...thanks for the info...I always wondered why people would think I or most other artists want to work for clout....lol...who in the right mind works for clout...clout don't pay the bills....
Absolutely agreed with you!
I also participated in some contests...Once I spent a month on an art that wasn't even shown anywhere 😂well at least it was the best work in my portfolio. But that was the last time I did such a stupid thing, it's not worth it :D
There’s one thing I always kept in mind
“Exposure doesn’t pay bills. Money does.”
This is one of the reasons why I don’t do art competitions.
Wow, I never thought of art competitions that way. This was enlightening. I guess I just got lucky with an art competition when I got discovered and hired to do more work... I mean, the winners got payed but I guess I never thought about everyone else who put their time into work for basically nothing. Yikes, from now on I'll be extra careful and think twice about entering one of these contest.
At this point I don't even feel bad about pirating adobe products
i saw this argument on another art channel and the reaction there was mixed between saying this was okay to this is not okay. i would really love to see what age demographic for that.
So Billie alright with making songs for free🤦🏽♀️… how is she a creative herself and not see how unethical this is! She can afford to pay a team of artists to design merch for her! I bet she didn’t like that “for the exposure” during her come up🙄. Exposure don’t pay bills!
Wow so much clearness on competitions, i never knew these things. Thanks for this vid, very agreeable!
I’m late, but if you all didn’t know, Billie is human too. Both her and Adobe did something very wrong and they should take responsibility for that, and I’ve never liked adobe in the first place, their prices are ridiculous. But Billie is one person, she’s young, and she’s human, Adobe is a whole team of people. I don’t blame Billie, we all make mistakes, sometimes bigger than others. I’m not gonna go into detail about bad stuff I’ve done in the past, but there’s a lot that I could mention. I don’t blame Billie, but this is just my opinion, feel free to hate on me if you’d like.
Oh come on. Even art contests in school have prize money.
This competition is not asking for professional artists to make her a merch design for free. This is for her fans who make art based on her. Those artworks in a normal scenario would never reach Billie and artist would not get paid for it either. Now they have an opportunity to let Billie see their art and get it on the merch. She is not forcing anyone to take part. I am pretty sure whoever will participate will do for the love of Billie and would be more than happy for Billie seeing their art and if it gets chosen Its even better....
Even without these competitions, many people make art based on her without getting money. She is just giving an opportunity to those people. It is not like she is snatching something from them. it is all voluntary. But yeah artists should be allowed to use whatever medium they like to create the art and it should not be limited to Adobe tools
agreed, good video! Only the winning artist's work should be co-opted by the contest, the rest should be 'returned' to the artists and the winner should not only be paid for their work but also credited on the merch or somewhere in the tour marketing. IMHO
have we just forgotten how her video with blue liquid pouring out of her eyes was "inspired" (more like copied because she didn't really change it) from a fanart? a fan made a creative drawing, and billie might have credited her (god i hope she did) but i'm damn sure that artist is not making royalties in millions out of that video because they definitely bought the copyright from the poor fan in the name of "this celebrity likes it and you made it for her so now say bye bye and thank us for it"
I didn’t know that! Wow
@@Totallyfine29_ yup in one of her earlier radio interviews she tells this story
Not surprised about Adobe being a shitty company again lmao but shame on Billie for doing this
I’m only gonna say this, Adobe did this before with lil nas x, same format and everything.
As far as I’m concerned they never announced the winners or anything similar, and the website with the contest details has been removed.
L for Adobe, that’s why I’m using CSP :)
The only reason why I don’t participate on art contests is the copyright section. Very little and numbered competitions do give some credit and exposure to the winner and at least the top 3 o top 5 finalist, and that’s barely a minimum. Indeed, as someone below in the comments said, the dtiys contests make a better positive impact on the community than this big competitions.
A contest to get to have your art on some merch they are selling would be fine, if they are also offering royalties on the sales of said merch.
Man… almost everything about this video was so calming, that warm to cold contrast in the background, the movie playing behind him, the flute music, THAT PLANT 🪴- plus his nice low voice, literally nailed that scenery 💯
I don't even have to think to know it's a Scam.
Imagine being told you'll have a chance to win a Prize for a Piece you'd be working on for several days, that's a raffle ticket with 10x the work!! And they can keep all that art while just rewarding 1 person!!
You lose more than you gain!!
I don’t know why, but it feels so wholesome to be called a penguin by this guy. Thanks for the informative video and the boost to my self esteem at the end!!
Yea, as someone who “pays monthly” for photoshop, how could they. I mean I totally use “my hard earned money” for photoshop, smh
Sad but true. Thank you for a great video. And Megan as well.
My friend entered a art competition, her and I were with one other friend at the time and he asked how the competition was going. She was like, "I don't expect to win." and he's like "Why?" he was genuinely confused. The first thing I said, the first thing that came to mind was literally, "Art Competitions are scams man." and the moment she heard this, she look at me, I looked at her, and we just nodded in solemn agreement. Like this is just a fact of life-
Poor guy, he was so confused.
Omg thank you for the subtitles in the video 🥺
Ok I almost thought she was right so I deleted my comment, but I read through that section of the rules again on the website and it has "Each entrant (unless the Grand Prize or a First winner) retains ownership of their Entry." so unless you win Adobe nor Billie can just take the art of the person who submits their art.
Every time I get an ad for an art contest I immediately check to see what happens to the art submitted whether you win or not. I don't want a piece they don't even pay me for to end up in a damn banner ad
They sctually said they will use artwork in the future of the non winners? That is really...evil. They should pay whoever they use. I just don't even have words. Gonna grab some popcorn and read through billies Twitter lol
3:26 This is Basically CLip Studio Paint in a nutshell now, since V2 will be monthly payment, with the worst to come a paid update license
& Cel$y$ hosts contest monthly, they are not going to compensate artists who will pay monthly & Patriciate on their contest
He said its free but I looked into this and it said that they pay the winner $10,000 but you cant sell it or claim it as yours..so..yeah
Twitch Streamers, Podcasters do this too. They ALWAYS ask to have art sent to them from fans that they will then turn into merch, logos and graphics for their branding.