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- Lindybeige teaches me about a more obscure part of WWI - the Czech soldiers who were recruited by Russia to fight for them. Then the Russian Revolution happened, and the Czechs found themselves stuck in a bad spot. France and the Brits to the rescue!
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Seriously, LindyBeige is a terrible content creator. He plays *extremely* fast a loose with facts and history, he is perfectly comfortable with lying and stolen content, and his personal politics are ..... problematic - if you like democracy and freedom, that is. If you're an actual fascist & bigot then Lindy/Lloyd is the man for you!
I'm sorry, but it's the Czechoslovak Legion. Many Slovaks fought and died in the Czechoslovak Legion. And if you say only the Czech Legion, you're insulting the Slovak nation. We also don't deprive your country of the merits and titles it deserves. Stick to the facts and be correct. .Czech brothers will hopefully understand.
The Reds did get some of the Gold back but never realised it Kolchak had bought French Tanks with it which the Reds captured, another 40% Kolchak had to give Gregory Seminov most of which ended up in Japan ,America and England except for an unknown amount Seminovs Jewish/Gypsey girlfriend stole and took to Egypt this was the real reason Russia invaded Manchuria in 1945 they wanted to get hold of Gregory Seminov who they hung the next year.
Seminov depossited a large amount in an American bank in Chicargo i know the son of the owner but does not know what his father did hahaha he grassed Seminov off to the Authorities who deported Seminov as an undesirable and without his Gold .
I really appreciate that you are not afraid of very complicated topics which are probably too far in the past and geographically far for Americans.... Me, as a Czech, the Legions are big deal - something that finally leaded us towards independence.
Oh wow, I’ve had a fascination with the Czech Legion for about 20 years - great reaction
The Reds were basically various shades of communists/bolsheviks. The Whites were basically Tsarist/royalists. The Blacks and the Greens, who weren't mentioned, were various types of separatists, mainly from Ukraine and Baku respectively.
The Whites also included democrats and fascists. Basically everyone who was anti-Communist
How did she get confused by that when he literally explained the second before she paused
Russia was pretty colorful back then 😀
Might be easier to explain it as "the whites and reds" are sort of like the US Civil wars "Grey and Blue"
Greens were a mixed batch of peasent groups , Trans Bakal Cossacks Seminov was their Hetman but Barron Roman Ungern von Sternberg served under him it was Seminov who sent Sternberg to Mongolia they were all suported by the Japones some even served in the Asiatic Calvery Division as did the 5th Polish Rifle Brigade , The Black army were Ukrainian Anachists under Maknow . what happened in Mongolia is the strangest story you ever heard it even involved Roy Chapman Andrews and most of the worlds secret services.
We were under Germany in both world wars, yet we still rebelled and fought against them. Hell, we even killed Hitler's right hand man.
The local languages still exists in some parts of France where they are kept alive. In Brittany road signs exists in 2 languages, while in other regions it is basically dead
And do those people feel as French people or they think they are separated nations? Here in Czechia, many Moravians and Silesians hate everything Czech and don't want to be part of this country. These people are mostly nazis.
This channel have become kind of a history class for me! Ty for interesting content ✌️🫡
Glad you enjoy it!
I great big welcome back to TH-cam history reactions for Sarah, Scarlett and Roger, the new setup looks completely amazing.
Those Czechs ended up in an extremely difficult position surrounded by Russians fighting each other.
Lloyd’s video about his Czech legion reenactment is tremendous, well worth watching. He actually describes it as a totally immersive LARP (live action role play) over two days in very cold temperatures and very deep snow!
Love the set up, glad to see you back 🙌
Lindybeige is way beyond most of us. Good luck Sarah
i was quickly dazed & confused. Not an introductory 'lecture' for me. Need to return when i have more background sorted out. (^_^)
Good premiere of the new set.👏🍾🥂
With the first 5 minutes of the video, only one thing comes to mind:
Europe is fu***ng complicated to understand.🤣🤣.
The New Year Heralds many fresh and familiar sights; it's wonderful to have you back Sarah!
Hi Sarah great to see you back. The place looks really good 👍
yeaaah¡ you´re back
You're back!!!
Welcome back great to see you love the new set
You can always play new Czech game "Last train Home" , all about our Legionaires.
sogal and loyd you cant go wrong
The Battle of Hastings was the first major bust up between William and Harold in 1066. Today, its much the same story :o)
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Welcome back Gal. Another agreeable vid, as usual...didn't understand a word of it but apparently you did, so all good. I particularly enjoyed Scarlett's guest appearance. Live long and perspire.
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@@SoGal_YT Hi Sarah. Got up this morning, got dressed opened the curtains (drapes) looked out and it's cold and wet. Feeling miserable went down stairs made a cup of coffee (not tea) and some toast
turned on the PC and checked my email. "What's this a ' V ' sign from Memphis Belle". Suddenly the birds are singing and the sun's shinning. Thanks Gal. Live long and whatever.
Glad to see you back. The ultimate origins of the Red vs White thing is the French Revolution: white was the colour of the Bourbon monarchy so signifies right-wing reaction and loyalty to the old regime; the red flag was originally raised by royal troops to signify 'no quarter, we will kill you rather than accept your surrender' to revolutionaries, but after the revolutionaries won they adopted the red flag as their own symbol and altered its meaning to mean the blood of the martyrs. By the time of the Russian Revolution, the revolutionary red flag was mostly associated with Communists, though other more moderate left-wing groups have still used it.
Germany, Austria Hungary etc were as you said known as the Central Powers, the UK, France etc were known as the Entente.
Czechoslovakia as a country only existed from 1918, when it declared independence from the then dying Austro-Hungarian empire and 1993 when it split into its constituent parts, the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
The demise of the Austro-Hungarian empire is very interesting I'll search out a YT video on that.
Hey Sarah nice to see you back 🙂. Love the new ‘set’. Hope you didn’t freeze this year in the cold weather. More on Eastern Europe would be fun as I know an embarrassingly little amount about it. Belated merry Christmas and all the best for the new year.
Great to see you back. Love the new setup (colorful). This is an interesting topic...as there is an author who created an entire "alternate history/science fiction" series that includes the "Czech" legions. His name is Taylor Anderson, and the series is "The Destroyermen" (Its 15 books long...and soldiers from the Czech legions show up somewhere in the late middle). It's my second favorite series (after Lord of the Rings)...as you are both a science fiction fan, AND a "student of history" I think you might enjoy it. May you have a wonderful Happy New Year. Looking forward to your Battle of Britain and Spitfire videos. (also..you may get a notice from TH-cam...I accidentally hit "dislike" trying to hit the "like" button...I fixed it...sorry for the mix up...I LIKE very much).
Hi Sogal. I watched this one a year or two back when I was going through a lot of Lindybeige stuff. It is fascinating.
He mentions the re-enactment video where he talks about his experiences of trudging through the snow for several days, and found out about this whole episode of history. That video is very instructive too. Perhaps you'd like to follow up with it later.
When the Russian revolution erupted, the communists were known as the Reds, those who supported the old regime were known as the whites. There was a post revolution civil war between the groups into the early 1920s. The western powers gave some support to the whites. Not being in favour of the masses taking power. As Lindybeige says, there were many variations on both sides with how radical they wanted to be, but in general it was the hardliners Reds who prevailed.
Breton (the Celtic language of Brittany) does still exist, but most Bretons also speak French. I'd assume other areas would be similar.
Reds - Revolutionaries.
Whites - Loyal to the Tsar.
While a little simplistic, this is a start. However, each side was made up of factions, some of whom hated each other as much as they did the other side, it was a real mess.
Good to see you back.
Guess who's back? Back again,Sarah's back, tell your friends!
Welcome Back.
Roger looks a proper gent
one day this will be made into a movie
there are few I think, but only czech...
Czechoslovak legion, not just Czech, they were also in Italy to. It was a resistence agains Austria-Hungary empire. One of my grandfather was in legion in Italy, other one was in legion in Russia and traveled all around the world to get back to Czechoslovakia.
Welcome back, a great New Year gift for us! The new set-up is very New Age, but I miss the interjections by Scarlett🤭. A somewhat esoteric choice for what is effectively your relaunch. It was very informative, and a well presented video about an aspect of the Great War of which I knew nothing. So, many thanks. I don't know whether such a niche subject will garner your channel millions of new subscribers, though.
Interesting video (slightly on the quiet side compared to your other videos) ... good to see you've earned your 'Command Division' delta insignia ! ... I would expect nothing less for you SoGal 😊 (nice touch, along with your new upgrades 👍)
you're being a little woof on that dog!😁
yes, I'm having another bad joke day!!🤣🤣
Poland existed as a nation in the 1600s. In fact Poland was a part of the Christian Leauge. They sent 3000 Polish Winged Hussars led by King Jon Sobieski to relieve Vienna in 1683. Letting Sobitan sing about When the Winged Hussars arrived. In WW2 there were many foreign contigents. Germany had several, the Brittish had the Poles, French and several other groups where the Brits let foreign governments in exile. Also the Napoleonic wars had many foreign units such as the KGLs.
Just to clarify - the KGL (King's German Legion) were from the region of Hanover, now part of Germany. The British King at the time, George III, was from the House of Hanover, and he was still the ruler of that principality in a personal capacity -it was not part of any "united kingdom." The KGL were his own troops, not part of the British Army, although they often fought alongside the British and for convenience were under British command.
Love the new setup ❤
Happy new year Sarah!
Reds and Whites refers to the Red Army and the White Army, the two largest factions in the Russian Civil War. Reds fought for more extreme Bolshevik-style socialism, the moderate Mensheviks having split from them some years earlier. Whites were basically monarchists who supported the Czar, though they also contained different, and sometimes hostile factions.
Not mentioned were the Greens, who were anarchists. Their Cavalry came up with a good trick, most armies would go through an area & nick the horses. The Greens would ride through & swap their tired horses for fresh ones. Then the next time they came through they could do the same again, unlike the others who had depleted the horse stocks on their first pass through.
Happy New Year and welcome back.
Hello SoGal and Roger. You touched on Russian Red v White in the history of that country. This legion is something I learned about from Great War channel videos about the period after the armistice in Western Europe, having seen your videos reacting to the start of the war.
My uncle was a UK POW in a coal mine in Silesia in WW2 and many of my neighbours as a kid were refugees from Eastern Europe, so I had always been interested.
I also was always interested in WW1 and had watched several videos from US WW1 museum in Kansas. Ethan from Midwest Americans said he had been there when I told him.
I mention it because the Eastern front does not get much attention in UK and US, but both UK and US intervened. There are TH-cam videos on this and the animosity between US and Japanese in the East, where the legion in this headed for on all the revolutionary confusion. This could be seen as a sign of things to come?
The light behind your left ear is a bit hard on the eye, but nice styling. I could not help thinking of someone elderly once complaining "It's like blooming Blackpool illuminations in 'ere" though. Maybe one for a future reaction?
Thanks! I need to dim the lights in the back, but they require a special switch to do it. I'll work on it :)
@SoGal. My girlfriend's dad used to design and make such things for both bars and outdoor signs for company and commercial sites. I was imagining him laughing at me suggesting a polarised cover, only to come back and discuss how to do it. He is dyslexic and would struggle to read the letters as a word, but could do it beautifully as a design for a sign.
It should also be said that the lands of Bohemia and Moravia were seen as inferior to the rest of the AH empire. People from these regions were seen as servitors and stable masters despite their degree of education and skills. (We had one of the best economies and industry in the world before WW II) This has also been one of the reasons why Czechs didn't want to side with the AH empire.
Breton is still alive and well, fun fact it's related to Welsh and Cornish very closely
Ojhhhhh you have an Adventure Game type thing going on with the new look thingy.
Hey SoGal, when's your next Patreon movie night?
Gonna try for next weekend.
@@SoGal_YT Cool! I'll try to make it there (I've never actually joined one of your movie nights before)
Your complete confusion is the perfect reaction to this part of history. I bet that half of those legionaries had no idea what is going on most of the time, they were just hoping that they will survive and get home.
Languages at 4:47 - a channel called @Ecolinguist shows them.
If you want to learn about 1848 epic history tv has video about it
The new hi-tech So-Gal! Scarlett break was a highlight! This just in: SoGal thinks Trotsky was a hunk! Roger's not impressed!
The Russian Civil War is described as the reds vs the whites, because the civil war was triggered after the Russian Revolution and the Bolscheviks (using Red banners) seized power.
The Bolscheviks did not acknowledge the election result they held after they seized power, and as such the civil war was sparked.
The whites became everything that opposed the new revolution. While the 10+ different socialist and communist movements started in fighting about how society should look like.
So it was closer to a 20 faction civil war, which was simplified to 2 larger factions, as a result it was the worst civil war in modern history.
@SoGal When discussing the Russian revolution, broadly speaking:
Reds - Socialists, Bolshevists, Communists etc.
Whites - Warlords, Anti-Socialists, Czarists, Monarchists generally etc.
Whites (White Guard, White Movement) were various anticommunist forces that fought against communists (Reds) in the Civil War. There were many white forces with different political views and leaders at the beginning of the war and later they had to unite: Denikin, Keller, Kornilov and Wrangel in Crimea and Southern Russia; Kolchak and Kappel in Siberia; Semyonov in Transbaikal region and the Far East; Miller in Northern Russia; Yudenich and Rodzyanko in Pskov and Estonia. And so on.
As a czech-I remember our teacher mentioned they fight with Russians against Austria-Hungary (that was always portrayied as this evil entity that took us as prisoners and just usted us for our industry without letting us to have a say on what is going on in here have an option to use czehc as a languge when dealing with officialls). Till today there is a Legiovlak (a train exhibition that traveles between cities in Czechia...I need to go look at it next time I see it and learn a bit more)
prisonners are not the same as war prisonners. The latter are enemy soldiers captured by your forces, not some criminals.
This was painful to watch as a Slovak. Lots of good info mixed with nationalistic (I hope non-intended) overlooking of specific facts and Slovak contributions.
For one thing these were Czechoslovak Legions. Majority of personnel were Czech (around 90% total), and they mostly financed it too, but around third of the money came from Slovaks living and working abroad and there were lots of Slovaks in Legion and entire military units deserted Austria-Hungarian Empire. Some of them had no idea Legions were a thing until they were told by russian officers to link up with them, they just did not want to fight Russians and Ukrainians for Austrians and Magyars (who spent last 500 years suppressing our national language and culture to the point lots of originally Slovak families denied any relation and refused to use the language due to reprisals).
There were not just one Legion in Russia, there were two others, in France and Italy, but they are all considered same organization due to excellent organization by both military officers and civilian government officials.
Major powers were in fact in favor of recreating Czech state as it was historical state. Problem was Slovakia as it was never independent. Slovaks fighting against Austria-Hungarian Empire were told they will be allowed to form their own country where they will be able to rule themselves and then, after the war were informed they could either join Czech in new state or go back to Magyars. Yes, the fact that it would strengthen new country was noticed, but forming of Czech state would happen anyway.
The symbols he is showing is not simply Czech in heraldry, every time you see a double cross, that is Slovakia, Czech Bohemia´s symbol is the lion with twin tail. Checkered eagle is Moravia and black eagle is Silesia which are two major parts of Czech Republic, but are culturally distinct. Try telling them they are simply czech, especially in those days, and you have a problem with angry people as if you said to Welsh or Irish that they are English.
There were two highly important people behind the Legions, a Czech politician Tomáš Garrigue Masaryk who organized a government in exile for the new country while the war was still being fought and later became Prezident of Czechoslovakia and the second was General of French army of Slovak nationality and Minister of War for the government in exile Milan Rastislav Štefánik. General Štefánik was the reason why the Legion joined French army.
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Yes because there were certainly no Slovaks in them Czechoslovak legions.
In South Africka the Boers had a unit of Don Cossacks.
Intersting, I learned some stuff.
He said they were recruiting czech prisoners OF WAR, not just prisoners. It means those werent criminals.
France. Down in the south of France there is a region known as the Languedoc. This dates back to when they had their own Language, Occ being their word for Yes. In the north they were the Languedoui. But that term fizzled out as those who said Oui for Yes, prevailed. The fossilised term remains in the place name in the south though.
Please would you increase the volume. It is very quiet.
Was the whole video quiet? It was at the same volume all of my other videos are - I go by the volume meter to make sure it's not too loud/quiet. Was Lindybeige what was too quiet?
That train the Czech Legion used as their HQ and the 8 wagons they kept what became Kolchaks Gold in started off as one of the two biggest tanks ever built it had two petrol engines but it was far too heavy so they changed its wheels and turned it into a train i know where a bit of Kolcheks Gold still is they never really got much back except the 8% the Czecks used to start their country the Russians took that back.
The Serbians who fought in the Czech Legion had been captured by the Reds after they had acted as rearguard for the British when they evacuated Archangel i have some things that belonged to Cossacks Turks had killed in Mesopotamia and my granddad killed the Turks after the siege of Kutt we never took prisoners. the Czar had sent the Cossacks there patrol the whats now the Iraqi border but the revolution had them stuck there so they joined the Whites and were ordered to join the Britsh but ran into the Ottaman Turks first.
You should check out the History Chap, British Army histories
Hi, Sarah, I hope you're well. I like the new set but poor Roger still has no nose.
Russia had two Revolutions in 1917, the February and October Revolutions, which according to our calendar took place in March and November. At that time Russia had still not adopted our calender. The February revolution aimed to set up a democratic state but it encountered difficulties and Russia still remained in the war. Germany in a bid to remove Russia from the war facilitated the return of Lenin to Russia. The October revolution saw the Bolsheviks taie over Russia which led to the Russian civil war. The reds contained factions including the Bolsheviks , the whites were basically those who to a greater or lesser extent supported the Tsar. The war was long and many died but the reds won. I have Simplified that to keep my comments reasonably short. After the October revolution the Bolsheviks made peace with the Central Powers and left the war. I will search out a couple of videos on YT that deal with that.
sound volume is probably very expensive today, otherwise I don't understand why the volume is low
There was a (slightly) old panto on tv called A Christmas Carol Goes Wrong by the same group who did your Peter Pan last year, if you’re interested. 🎭
Reds - Revolutionary forces I.E. Bolsheviks/Mensheviks/Socialists etc
Whites - Anti-Revolutionary forces I. E. Tsarists/pro-Russian Republic forces/Cossacks/Peasant Loyalists
There was also the Black Guards, simple Anarchists who wanted nothing to do with either side, and the Greens, who were peasant militias who opposed all sides, and simply wanted to stay neutral.
As far as forming military units from prisoners the Germans had the notorious S S Dirlewanger Brigade in WW2 consisting of “cut-throats, renegades and sadistic morons” who behaved abysmally in the field, they were even criticised within the S S.
omg !
Don’t forget about the Slovaks
Last train home
The Germans did not "send" Lenin into Russia.
He (and his entourage) went all by himself . But they allowed him to pass through German occupied territories in a sealed train wagon.
It's more like they actively facilitated it rather than following the common line for functional states of the day of actively preventing such revolutionaries from doing much of anything.
@@laurencefraser After the Zar had been toppled in March, all exiled revolutionaries worth their salt were froaming at the mouth to go back to Russia. But those (like Trotsky in New York) that went from allied locations were not "actively facilitated" in this. Quite the opposite.
Wich of cause makes perfect sense.
They also provided millions of roubles to help the Bolsheviks.
@@Colonel_Blimp No, to help themselves.
The Bolsheviks may well have used some of that money a little later to try to ferment unrest i Germany, supporting oppostiton to continuing the war
@@peterkragelund4794 whatever. The point is they provided millions of roubles to the Bolsheviks. An analogy would be Saruman and Sauron “helping” each other.
Eastern European history isn't taught as much in the UK as it should be because it tells you a lot about Europe now.
The Red russians were basically the hard line revolutionaries and the white russians supported the status quo and the tsar.
But what happened in Russia after 1917 is not only eastern european history, it's important part ot world history. We also don't know that much about history of Russia here in Czechia, we learn mostly that classic things like ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome, then medieval Europe, Holy Roman Empire, colonizing or America etc.......but probably everyone heard about "some revolution" in Russia and I would say that most of people know at least something about some "whites" and "red" and about our legions stucked there in far east.
@@Pidalin I was trying to dumb it down a bit.
Hey can you learn about the history of Poland????
Because it was only czechs
@SoGal_YT you are gonna laugh, but....... when is the next Music Sunday? HAHAHAHAHA
For a historian (or something like it), there is quite a bit of speculation and not enough understanding of central European history. Slovakia was Upper Hungary ... Czech and Slovak culture was not similar in any way to Russian culture. Being slavic means nothing more than being germanic ... in that spirit, the British, Dutch, Danish are all the same bunch ...
This is offensive. I would just grab a book or two and read up on this if you are interested. It is not that great of a story.
The REDs and the WHITESs were the two sides of the Russian civil war, that was one of the bloodiest civil wars in history with about 2 million dead soldiers and a further 9 million civilians.
The western allied powers of Europe, sent troops in Russia supporting the Whites, including Greece that sent an army corps with two infantry divisions in Crimea, under French overall command, to fight against the Communist Reds.
This campaign was ill fated and after the Reds won the war, a large population of Greeks living in Odessa was severely persecuted (Greeks have been living in what is Eastern Ukraine, Crimea and Odessa for thousands of years).
In addition to this, Lenin supported Kemal during the Greek Turkish war of 1919 to 1922, helping him organize 22 divisions that caused the worst military defeat in Greek history.
The destruction of Smyrna in 1922 resulted in the end of over 3000 years of Greek presence in Asia Minor, with 1.5 million Greeks becoming refugees and about 1 million more "lost" in the interior of Anatolia.
These videos are relevant to these events:
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th-cam.com/video/thGmHwg544Y/w-d-xo.html
Most of them were maybe Czech, but you should call them Czechoslovak legion, or Slovaks will be angry. 🙂
Yeah, he is right taht Czechoslovak nation was created artificaly on purpose to have majority over german speakers adn also, as many people probably know, Czech and Slovak langauges are mutually intelligible (not 100%, but you can have even more complicated conversation) so it was pretty easy to connect it and make one bigger "nation." But to be honest, some dialects of Czech are even harder to understand than formal Slovak for me, so it's still pretty much political for me that our languages are considered separated. Slovaks would never accept that they speak dialect of Czech, so let's keep it like that and consider it as 2 langauges, but it feels weird when some dialects of for example German are that different that they don't understand each other and it's still considered a German.
With Polish, it's more complicated, we understand it very limited, so connect 3 nations together would probably not work, I heard some ideas that some "western slavic state" could exist, but probably not, not even talking about different mentality and cultural differences, Slovaks were mostly compatible in that time with us.
BTW, Russians still hate us because of Czechoslovak legions and they remind it to us in every conflict we have with them, like when we removed statue of marshal Koniev, they told us that they could remove graves of our soldiers in far east Russia, but statue is not a war grave, we can remove statue, but they can't remove graves.
Czechoslovak nation was created artificaly on purpose to have majority over german speakers _ it is not true its myth of Anti Czechoslovakia talk. Czech nacional reviver member coparaitied with Slovak one long ago.
@@Mirinovic You still can have Czechoslovakia with Czechs and Slovaks, you don't have to make some weird "Czechoslovak nation" so when they did it, they had to have really serious reason for that. And pretty much everyone says that it was done like that to have majority over germans.
@@Pidalin Czech have majority in Bohemia and moravia withaout slovak sir
@@Mirinovic yes, but not that clear majority, there was like 1/3 or even more German speakers, you would have to gove more rights to them and have some names of cities nad streets in German (that's the law), so to have one Czechoslovak nation solved that
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I like Lindy's vid, bit you just stole it for your own content. Add absolutely nothing to it bit your face, basically reposting whole thing on a side.
Shame on you.
why you look so ssad
try react to muslim war or Islamic empire conquest like rasyidun caliph, Abbasid, seljuk, ottoman and ayubid your vid will get many support because muslims love to see other people view about their history.
in 2050, there will be 3 billion muslim
You can find a map of all the languages that were traditionally spoken in France at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_France. The French language is the one referred to as 'Parisien'.
Also, Chelyabinsk is the city that that meteor exploded over back in 2013. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
It might help if you know that Belarus means White Russia.