Ken is retired he does the hod now and then. He's a good electrician who has ran big job in the past. However like many sparks of our vintage testing is not a strong point. Back in the day you just done a rewire and that was it no testing. On big projects they had sparkys who done testing but not the average electrician. The most a sparky would do in those days is use a wind up megger to check that a Pyro was "clear"
Point 1,safe isolation Point 2,disconnect all appliances Point 3 ,test the ring at the db for continuous Point 4,split the ring somewhere in kitchen Point 5,test at 250v IR both legs Point 6,work out one side of the leg to the db if both faulty Very easy especially on two man’s job Credit to Dell for being patient Good job 👍
If he doesn't have any test equipment, he shouldn't be touching boards or any electrics and should go back to college he is not a sparky he is a DIY er people like that kill people
regs change, you should aim to comply... get some decent test gear, you don't need top of the line (the megger x-1 isn't it, i am sorry for delroy having to deal with it,. it's a heap of expensive junk)
You know nothing about him. He's been in the trade for over 50 years and probably forgotten more than you know about electrical work. Also unlike you Morden day spark he is a "TIMED SERVED ELECTRICIAN" qualified and well trained in all aspect of the trade. He is neither "domestic or commercial " He is an electrician does it all. however like I said before testing is a problem for some of us.
@@eastwayelectrical if like you say hes time served with 50 years experience he should know how to test, there are first year apprentices with more testing experience than your boyfriend
I'm a DIYer, my background is electronics. I would not do any electrical work without having a proper MFT. Bought a 2nd hand Metrel to check out any wiring I do.
Looks to me like someone started a board change before doing any testing, did the testing when the board was out and told the customer they needed a rewire. Customer said ooooowwww much and got Ken in to finish the board change with no rewire 😂 Old Kenny boy thought oh crap what have I got myself into and accidentally on purpose bumped into his old mate Del Boy. The end. All the best del 👍🏻😅
I know there is a lot of flak going around in the comments, and also you stood up for what you believe to be true, and best, which is very respectable and right of you. But all that aside, it makes for a very informative video to listen to all those small discussions and explanations, going through trouble shooting a problem. Without Ken there no checks or balances, I disagree heavily with people saying better working on your own. You both worked great together all in all.
Hard to believe that either of you are qualified. Watching a tradesman struggling with the most basic of residential testing is painful. I've met a lot of your sort, very confident yet somehow inept. Good luck on your journey.
Alarm bells when the other electrican says that's not a good place to test from when he was testing it and doing it correctly. ie spilting the ring test each leg from the fuse board establishing the bad side.
*Any time ken opens his mouth* Del: hold up hold up listen. listen. the thing is. Also this is why I wish electricians or any tradespeople actually left notes or diagrams. Spend 3 hours doing just buzzing out and trying to find sockets and figuring out whats on the loop before even fixing anything and then the next person to go when theres a fault in a few years time will be spending 3 hours doing the same thing while also charging the customer £100 an hour. Why not just get a £1 sharpie and write on the backbox what number socket it is on the circuit. First socket on the circuit just write the number 1 on the backbox with an arrow pointing to the next sockets with number 2 written in it. So basic but no electrician will ever bother spending 2 mins doing that. If theres a spur off of one of the socets, lets say socket 3, then inside the spur on the back box write "3-1" again with an arrow pointing to socket 3. None of this "wheres the socket" rubbish while looking through kitchen cabinets and charging the customer £100/hour. I'm glad I do comms now, at least theres a decent chance jobs have diagrams showing how everthings connected.
@@mikegmarshall nice reply mate. Totally adds to the conversation at all. You thinking someone needs specific skills to literally just suggest making notes really says a lot about your work though. Imagine getting salty about someone saying it would be nice to have diagrams lol. Might as well not mark up the consumer unit too, can't be making notes anywhere lol. Like I said I used to be one and now I mainly do Comms, most stuff is nicely labelled showing where it's all connected, no need to spend hours figuring out how a small circuit in a small room is connected. Mark up your consumer unit when you change them mate, don't make things a pain for us and del when we turn up years later
The Earth on that faulty leg is probably not connected properly to the other side of the leg but it is correctly connected to the spur, lose conenctions?
I'm no electrician but even I can understand that if the old fuse box was not tripping and the new one is It's means the old one is faulty. You can reinstall the old one and have electricity but you could also have an electric fire in the middle of the night. Loved the part where you and ur mate were trying to give each other advice Both interrupting each other and then it turns out you both had the same thing in mind.
Its just Ken who isn't a 10. A spark that is willing to fit a fuse board without any testing or a EICR. He asked for you to come to bail him out and I find him a little disrespectful of you tbh. Im only 17 mins in and although you say a builder or handyman should never work with electrics this dude is a spark. It does go to show that even a qualification doesnt make you fit to carry out electrical installation.
Not quite. BS7671 suggests a minimum of 1M Ohm. However, standard guidance (for example from the IET) is anything below 2M Ohms would suggest a latent defect/fault or break down of the circuits insulation. Above 2M ohms is perfectly acceptable on an older circuit (not great but acceptable) and may just be indicative of dampness or even cable length
Ken should have given the customer the price for testing with payment on test results, then price to complete the repairs and the new consumer unit. Tell Ken to get a test meter and Part P and he will make money all day long.
Would have been quicker on ya own with a set of wagos to bell the wires out . I honestly thought it was either going to be vrong circuit in board or a lollipop. Im still confused as it seemed like you didnt have any continuity at the board from both legs together.
I See, you have turned off the main breaker and first circuit whilst leaving all the others turned on. It's good practise to remove the load off the main switch from the furthest breaker and work back before, turning off the main switch. Likewise, you turn on the main switch and then the breakers one at a time. In other words, the main switch should have no load on it when it's being switched kn or off.
That was a head bender your mate should listen instead of talking & the 3rd guy chiming in really really didn't help should have given him a £5 & sent him to the pictures & let you lead the way & he thought thayr was a jb under the unit??? Something not right 🤔🤔
This is the exact reason I wouldn’t change a board without an eicr, your opening up a can of worms and your left to deal with….. well it all worked fine before you changed it. Sod that eicr every time or they can use someone else Simple. And I don’t think Ken is telling the full story on that one
I don't care what you say he bodged the job up should have never have done it without testing its dangerous its that simple no excuses he's old school so what he's dangerous also if hes changing board why not the wires as well as they are old type and colours ?
Me and my mate argued on every job basically I wanted to do do it propper he wanted to do it fast I thrown him a box of 1.5mm cable clips in the loft and then sneaked up the ladder and cought him tapping his hammer on the ceiling pretending to clip the cables 😂😂😂😂
How's your old college friend this bad at electrics? I'm not even qualified and feel I know more than him, I can understand what your doing without you even saying what your doing. He's clueless and obviously didn't do an EICR before installing the new board, he's probably getting from his customer as they can't use the kitchen since he replaced the board!
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Ken ain’t telling all he knows 😂
Maybe he is and he's coming up really short (no pun intended).
If hes legit why aint he got test equipment, i smell a rat.
left it in the shed
I work with people like that all the time, a lot of times they take off the same days I do so they don't like idiots trying to do the job
Ken is retired he does the hod now and then. He's a good electrician who has ran big job in the past. However like many sparks of our vintage testing is not a strong point. Back in the day you just done a rewire and that was it no testing. On big projects they had sparkys who done testing but not the average electrician. The most a sparky would do in those days is use a wind up megger to check that a Pyro was "clear"
Perhaps it was the rat that damaged the cable?
@@eastwayelectrical cheers for the info. Makes alot of sense
Anonymous Ken isn't a spark. Getting the impression he's messed up and withholding information.
Point 1,safe isolation
Point 2,disconnect all appliances
Point 3
,test the ring at the db for continuous
Point 4,split the ring somewhere in kitchen
Point 5,test at 250v IR both legs
Point 6,work out one side of the leg to the db if both faulty
Very easy especially on two man’s job
Credit to Dell for being patient
Good job 👍
Point before 1, with power on identify all sockets on the circuit.
If he hasn't got the testing equipment he had no buisness changing the board in the first place.
Now a days that's true. But Ken is from the old school.
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If he doesn't have any test equipment, he shouldn't be touching boards or any electrics and should go back to college he is not a sparky he is a DIY er people like that kill people
correct, he may have gone to college, with del, 40 yrs ago, and hasn't updated since .... sad situation.
regs change, you should aim to comply... get some decent test gear, you don't need top of the line (the megger x-1 isn't it, i am sorry for delroy having to deal with it,. it's a heap of expensive junk)
'earth is hazardous live'... no it isn't you stupid machine
You know nothing about him. He's been in the trade for over 50 years and probably forgotten more than you know about electrical work. Also unlike you Morden day spark he is a "TIMED SERVED ELECTRICIAN" qualified and well trained in all aspect of the trade. He is neither "domestic or commercial " He is an electrician does it all. however like I said before testing is a problem for some of us.
@@eastwayelectrical if like you say hes time served with 50 years experience he should know how to test, there are first year apprentices with more testing experience than your boyfriend
Cheap and tearful
Cowboy Ken should be nowhere near a fuseboard until he gets a tester and learns how to test.
No way, no way 2 Electricians going to argue, I can't see it
LOL!
You are so right. Absolutely.
That guy (Delroy's mate) has been a Sparky for 50 odd years?? He's got the knowledge of a first year Apprentice, shocking.
@@Walktheline1991 Yh, but he knows what he's doing.
@@Walktheline1991 That's not true mate
Del has the patience of a saint. Been watching for years now and it really comes across!
I'm a DIYer, my background is electronics. I would not do any electrical work without having a proper MFT. Bought a 2nd hand Metrel to check out any wiring I do.
Wish the guy would let Del get on with it. If he's such an expert why doesn't he fix it?
Fault finding is not his strong point but he's a good spark
@eastwayelectrical a good spark, apart from fault finding. Oh and testing.
Painful watch that, and Ken's the reason why there's so many accidents and fires! Ain't got a scooby doo
I would guarantee Ken has forgotten more than you know
@@eastwayelectrical I would suggest he goes on update courses then as playing with people's lives aint no joke
@@stephenthompson1449 or retire from the trade
@eastwayelectrical looks like your trying to defend ken, when it looks like he doesn't know much about the job.
@eastwayelectrical that's his problem, too forgetfull
Sometimes it's easier and faster to work by yourself.
yep agreed ken is a cool guy though and funny as hell.
Them wires look good from my house!
Love the content mate keep it up as I’m a plumber and find electrical fault finds so interesting 👍🏼🙌🏽
That was brilliant viewing ! This is life today. Great video Del
Honestly delate Ken’s number that’s embarrassing!!!
No he is a great guy really makes you lough.
Lol. Clearly this was a mickey mouse job.
Looks to me like someone started a board change before doing any testing, did the testing when the board was out and told the customer they needed a rewire. Customer said ooooowwww much and got Ken in to finish the board change with no rewire 😂
Old Kenny boy thought oh crap what have I got myself into and accidentally on purpose bumped into his old mate Del Boy. The end.
All the best del 👍🏻😅
'MAYBE' it's attached to that socket, "yeah, maybe "😢, 😂😂.
Good work dell. 👏. I would need to be on my own trying to sort a nightmare like that out. Nothing worse than someone in your ear lol 😆
Good grief.. Chancer DIY Dave no test equipment 😁 who installs a new board without testing first?
Professional people do things differently but achieve the same outcome. But their paths should not cross in case of conflict.
Ken sounded nervous.You took the lead and you know what you are doing.Respect.
How is Ken changing a fuseboard without testing equipment?
I know there is a lot of flak going around in the comments, and also you stood up for what you believe to be true, and best, which is very respectable and right of you.
But all that aside, it makes for a very informative video to listen to all those small discussions and explanations, going through trouble shooting a problem. Without Ken there no checks or balances, I disagree heavily with people saying better working on your own. You both worked great together all in all.
I usually power one leg up and go from that to next after taking all sockets off
Surely Ken would have performed Continuity and IR on the all the Kitchen circuits for the EIC???
Ken didnt carry out an eic as orig consumer unit already disconnected.
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Hard to believe that either of you are qualified. Watching a tradesman struggling with the most basic of residential testing is painful. I've met a lot of your sort, very confident yet somehow inept. Good luck on your journey.
Alarm bells when the other electrican says that's not a good place to test from when he was testing it and doing it correctly. ie spilting the ring test each leg from the fuse board establishing the bad side.
*Any time ken opens his mouth*
Del: hold up hold up listen. listen. the thing is.
Also this is why I wish electricians or any tradespeople actually left notes or diagrams. Spend 3 hours doing just buzzing out and trying to find sockets and figuring out whats on the loop before even fixing anything and then the next person to go when theres a fault in a few years time will be spending 3 hours doing the same thing while also charging the customer £100 an hour. Why not just get a £1 sharpie and write on the backbox what number socket it is on the circuit. First socket on the circuit just write the number 1 on the backbox with an arrow pointing to the next sockets with number 2 written in it. So basic but no electrician will ever bother spending 2 mins doing that. If theres a spur off of one of the socets, lets say socket 3, then inside the spur on the back box write "3-1" again with an arrow pointing to socket 3. None of this "wheres the socket" rubbish while looking through kitchen cabinets and charging the customer £100/hour. I'm glad I do comms now, at least theres a decent chance jobs have diagrams showing how everthings connected.
Your not an electrician are you
@@mikegmarshall nice reply mate. Totally adds to the conversation at all. You thinking someone needs specific skills to literally just suggest making notes really says a lot about your work though. Imagine getting salty about someone saying it would be nice to have diagrams lol. Might as well not mark up the consumer unit too, can't be making notes anywhere lol. Like I said I used to be one and now I mainly do Comms, most stuff is nicely labelled showing where it's all connected, no need to spend hours figuring out how a small circuit in a small room is connected. Mark up your consumer unit when you change them mate, don't make things a pain for us and del when we turn up years later
@@mikegmarshallalso it's spelt "you're". Don't need to have lots of qualifications to know that either
The Earth on that faulty leg is probably not connected properly to the other side of the leg but it is correctly connected to the spur, lose conenctions?
I'm no electrician but even I can understand that if the old fuse box was not tripping and the new one is It's means the old one is faulty. You can reinstall the old one and have electricity but you could also have an electric fire in the middle of the night. Loved the part where you and ur mate were trying to give each other advice Both interrupting each other and then it turns out you both had the same thing in mind.
Its just Ken who isn't a 10. A spark that is willing to fit a fuse board without any testing or a EICR. He asked for you to come to bail him out and I find him a little disrespectful of you tbh. Im only 17 mins in and although you say a builder or handyman should never work with electrics this dude is a spark. It does go to show that even a qualification doesnt make you fit to carry out electrical installation.
Think Ken had Barbie in doing the wiring for him by the looks of it 😂
That was a simple job Ken should have figured it out without calling you to clean up his mess. Nice job Eastway Electrical👍👍
TBH I don’t think either of them really know what’s going!!!!!
How did he test the install after changing the board 😳
You're not being told the truth on that job Del.....!
Insulation should be greater than 999M, on every leg between live to neutral, live to earth and neutral to earth, that wiring ain't good.
On a new install. A old damp house, very rarely
Aaron is correct 👏 it "should" be above 999 but the real world dictates otherwise. In this instance greater than 1MegOhm is "acceptable/passable"
@@Jay369 on a new install, with no load. Yeah he's right
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How many new installs have you tested at >999?
You may want to read the regs.
Not quite. BS7671 suggests a minimum of 1M Ohm. However, standard guidance (for example from the IET) is anything below 2M Ohms would suggest a latent defect/fault or break down of the circuits insulation. Above 2M ohms is perfectly acceptable on an older circuit (not great but acceptable) and may just be indicative of dampness or even cable length
‘Try the other leg’
‘Do you mean pull the other leg delboy?’
Interesting how old Ken suggested there may be a junction under units...
Ken should have given the customer the price for testing with payment on test results, then price to complete the repairs and the new consumer unit. Tell Ken to get a test meter and Part P and he will make money all day long.
Would have been quicker on ya own with a set of wagos to bell the wires out . I honestly thought it was either going to be vrong circuit in board or a lollipop. Im still confused as it seemed like you didnt have any continuity at the board from both legs together.
Failed to spot the electricians here..
Just curious what are you using for video set up I see you have the rode microphone what camera are you using and rig
Great content thanks for sharing.
I don't know much abut electricity. But im hearing a lot of "maybe" and "are you sure" 😂
I thought it could be an outside socket within that ring that has water inside of it.
I See, you have turned off the main breaker and first circuit whilst leaving all the others turned on. It's good practise to remove the load off the main switch from the furthest breaker and work back before, turning off the main switch. Likewise, you turn on the main switch and then the breakers one at a time. In other words, the main switch should have no load on it when it's being switched kn or off.
Ken doesn’t sound like he has a clue, which is very worrying if he’s a retired spark!
Blind leading the blind to me to you
He went to college with this guy in the 70s I take it you was the in the 50% of the pair of you that actually finished the course. 😂😂😂
12:39 rahhhhteddd 🤣
What a mess delroy and friend is applying pressure on you for coming to help him out sad smh
maybe a nice guy but definitely shouldn't be an electrician
I feel your pain
You're a good man
I recon it’s a nail or a screw from the kitchen fitter
Nice isolation Delroy ……
Ken is a handyman.
That was a head bender your mate should listen instead of talking & the 3rd guy chiming in really really didn't help should have given him a £5 & sent him to the pictures & let you lead the way & he thought thayr was a jb under the unit??? Something not right 🤔🤔
Ken drop your tools and come out with your hands up😢😢
the other guy did a billy job and eastway man is finding him out 🤣🤣
This is the exact reason I wouldn’t change a board without an eicr, your opening up a can of worms and your left to deal with….. well it all worked fine before you changed it. Sod that eicr every time or they can use someone else Simple. And I don’t think Ken is telling the full story on that one
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He ain't no spark. You can't be a spark without test equipment just a chancer. Retire
Everyone's talking about test equipment but what about proper knowledge of bs7671?
@@matthewhammond859 well yeah that as well, but he can't verify it if he doesn't know the basics. It's people like him that will kill people.
@@matthewhammond859 and that
what's the device he's using to test with a screen?
Was the other guy actually an electrician if he needs to call in Del to sort out a domestic wiring problem!
That wasnt all cool and the gang was it del
Too many cooks spoil the broth! 😂
Oh what a mess this is …! 😮
If there was no board there then how did he know what cables were for what ?? Very odd another 🐂 💩 story 🤔🤔😂😂😂
I don't care what you say he bodged the job up should have never have done it without testing its dangerous its that simple no excuses he's old school so what he's dangerous also if hes changing board why not the wires as well as they are old type and colours ?
wow this is a job and a half
Ken! Ken! Ken! Ken! Ken! Ken! Ken! Ken! Ken! Ken! Ken!
I aint even no sparky but ken was doing my box in 😂😂😂😂😂 ken needs to just cuddle up with Barbie lol
Kitchen fitter special that one.🤣
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Ooh bit of Drama
Me and my mate argued on every job basically I wanted to do do it propper he wanted to do it fast I thrown him a box of 1.5mm cable clips in the loft and then sneaked up the ladder and cought him tapping his hammer on the ceiling pretending to clip the cables 😂😂😂😂
I always keep a spanner next to a baked potato
Always carry a wago or r1 r2 link. Better than a Ken.
That was Hilarious ! 🤣
Well while I'm biased towards our man, you have to be fair, he is shooting ken down before he can even finish a sentence. 🤭
its like the blind leading the blind, neither have a clue what's going on, del dont let him get a word in edgeways tho 🤦♂
Embarrassing
I like Ken
How's your old college friend this bad at electrics? I'm not even qualified and feel I know more than him, I can understand what your doing without you even saying what your doing.
He's clueless and obviously didn't do an EICR before installing the new board, he's probably getting from his customer as they can't use the kitchen since he replaced the board!
Wow no socket should be under a kitchen sink if there's a leak from the pipes it's going straight into it
Benefit from having a wander lead
How embarrassing in front of the customer! Sounds like ken might be the next screwfix sparky
Can you be sure your friend is telling the truth?
I'm sorry but your old mate ain't no spark
20:42 He aint good at safety huh the burns is like a carpenter missing a finger.
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