@Technologically Challenged Tech Thts exactly what I drive.. Crown Vic's.. Marquis..had 3 Buick Lesarbres..1 station wagon.. downsizing began in 77' for GM..79' for Ford..
Those sedans and station wagons didn't get light truck fuel economy exemptions. In the US bigger vehicles can be disproportionately less fuel efficient but that wasn't enough to keep the biggest sedans and wagons around, light trucks have way more lax regulations, one example is the gas guzzler tax which only applies to cars, not SUVs and trucks, but it goes so much deeper than that.
To really illustrate how ridiculous that payload is, a Honda Ridgeline has 1500 to 1580 lbs of payload. This issue also is an issue in midsized trucks in general, not just luxury full sized. A Tacoma is rated for 6800 lbs of towing but the TRD models have only 1100lbs of payload. If you have a 8x20 aluminum trailer with 4 Polaris sportsman's on it (about 4200lbs, I've pulled this load enough to have weighed it at the local scales) so about 420lbs of tongue weight. Now, the payload ratings for all trucks assume a 150lb driver (lol, not since high school) so take another 50lbs off in my case. So 1100-50-420=630. 4 ATVs so taking my 3 buddies, also about 200lbs each, so we have 30lbs left for any gear! The honda would still have 400lbs to spare. Ridiculous!
I think the majority of people that buy a luxury truck like this one, buy it for just that, luxury and not a "work truck". I have a '22 Rebel with all the bells and whistles and I bought it for it's off road capability and the comfort and luxury it has. It's my daily driver and on long trips it's GREAT! Bye the way, love those Giddy Upz!
I new exactly what you were going to say. I have a F150 PowerBoost Platinum, payload is 1,213 lbs. I still love the truck, but pulling a 7k lbs RV is a payload concern.
If you want to use your truck to do truck stuff, you have to option it that way. I had a ‘21 Ram 1500 with 1830 lbs of payload and currently have a ‘22 Ram 3500 with just shy of 4K lbs of payload - pretty good for their respective classes. However, they were both Big Horns - in other words, well-enough optioned, but I knew going in I’d never get the payload ratings I needed if I loaded my trucks up with multiple subwoofers, four-corner air suspension, panoramic sunroofs, power rear seats, and so forth. IMHO a previous poster was right - these new über-luxe trucks are replacing a bunch of family sedans and SUVs of old and are spec’d for the occasional trip to Home Depot.
The sad thing is these things can't even do a trip to home depot because you can't even put sheets or planks of plywood in them because the bed is so short. SUVs and wagons if we wanna go back further would be able to do that job.
That's weird. I have a 21 Laramie sport. It's payload is over 1500 lbs. Yes, I have the running boards and a sunroof. I don't have the ram box like yours. I do however have the optional 3.92 rear end. Absolutely love the truck I have.
My 2020 ram 1500 big horn crew cab is enough luxury to keep the family happy and do the truck stuff I wanted it for. It helps that it came with a max tow package and the big horn level 2 equipment group.
My Bighorn has everything I need and came in at 50k. No sunroof, no leather, no fancy tailgate, 8" screen. Payload is fine for my needs, it's higher than this particular vehicle. I would never spend over 100k on a pickup truck, as much as I like them that's just too much money.
Great Video guys! I also am not a fan of low profile tires on a truck... it just makes no sense, you lose ride comfort and fuel economy by going with larger wheels. Just get larger tires and smaller wheels lol
Great explanations, fellas. My example is a '21 Ram 1500 Bighorn crew cab with the eTorque Hemi and 3.92 rear end. 1701# payload, 11,300 max towing. That being said, I'd bet my truck maxes out the rear coils somewhere between 6-800 lbs tongue weight even if we're otherwise within the payload cap. I've not tried it, but I've seen others do it and coils just don't carry the weight as well as leaf springs. We currently tow a small boat/trailer combo of around 3K, and probably less than 10% tongue weight (but I've never measured it). As for towing outside/above rated capacities, any of them, GVWR, GCWR, GAWR, payload, etc, I'd say most trucks are "capable" of achieving this but I'd bet insurance companies would be quick to check operating within or outside of these if you ever had a mishap while towing, even if was unavoidably not your fault. Some live with this level of exposure without worry, but for me that potential is outside what I'd be willing to accept due to the possible financial, or other implications. 100% agree that optioned out, top trim levels come at the expense of payload and ultimately, towing, and in Ram's case, 3.21's vs 3.92's equate to around 2.5K pounds of max towing capabilities, but I'm guessing they all have the same level of rear sag when hooked up to anything greater than 600 lbs tongue weight, even without other payload contributors. Still love it, though!
I just bought a 22 Ram Limited Hemi no etorque. It has almost no added options (anti spin dif and trailer break is all) the payload on the sticker says 1600 something lbs. this is a great best of both worlds. The nice interior and still able to get the job done.
2022 f150 xlt, 1960lbs payload, my old one was a 2014 ram 1500 sxt , 1440lbs payload. The ram does ride nicer due to rear coil springs but I love the new truck, much better when towing
Yeah Ford makes the best trucks that are still meant to do work, the new Ranger also still has leafs except for the Raptor. F-150 is also the best halfton, so much payload, with other brands you'd need a 2500 for that and they are much bigger and less efficient.
I agree with everyone’s comments on the payload being too low and price too high. I have some towing needs so I always have to spec a lower trim truck. DI wonder if insurance companies ever look at payload when there’s an accident involving towing? Even if that’s not the cause you may wonder if they would use that information to deny coverage.
As far as I’m concerned the public can’t be educated enough on this topic. Based on what I see on the road with half ton trucks. This RAM the bed is a decoration. Unless you don’t have passengers.
I believe a nice middle of the pack model with a sport appearance package, would be the perfect truck for towing and looks. This goes for all brands of pickups.
Great video.I really want a truck. But it would be a third vehicle that is for work around the house and camping, ideally i can sleep in the back. I dont need fancy, i need capability. That is proving hard to find
I just bought an HD truck just for those types of jobs...yes, it'll sit most of the time until I have a need to tow/haul something heavy...but its mine, and I can use it whenever I want, not whenever a rental place has something available for a ridiculous amount of $$$ to rent. Its pretty well equipped for the time it was built, and has all the options you'd really ever need in a truck that gets used as a truck...the only thing different I would do would find one with a manual transmission, but pretty hard to find it seems where I live for a 3/4 ton V10 truck. Nope didn't want a diesel either, don't care for the higher fuel costs, maintenance and repair costs....sure if I were towing at full capacity all day every day a diesel would make sense, but for the few times a month it gets used, the V10 is perfectly fine.
I just got a 21 Ram 1500 Limited and the payload is ~1250, so pretty similar. With my booty in there, its down to 1000. I don't plan to tow anything over 5000, so I should be fine but when you consider that the new price on the thing was 70k USD, it seems insane.
Down in the states the dealers have too much inventory. Some up to 150 days. Half ton sales have hit a wall with the higher bank rates. Economy is slowing and personal debt is at an all time high. Many owners underwater on their trades as new truck prices are beginning to tank. Not hard to find 10K off on these now. Even Ram has factory rebates. Soon they will offer 15K off as dealers get desperate to move inventory. Its only going to get worse. The bottom line is Banks are getting tight on their guild lines and payments are going up up up. The big three "think" they can keep prices up but when the Federal reserve keeps bumping interests rates its a losing battle. Because the Feds want prices to go down. That's their intention in all of this.
@@youngblood23rb And your literally stuck with the vehicle because you will still take the hit if you trade. And being underwater will also hurt your credit score if you trade because you will have to finance two cars at that point. Or you can be like lot allot of owners and just give it back to the dealer. Which means they have to send it to auction and take the loss. And most repos are garbage. But people who made foolish decisions that pay too much will generally not take ownership for their mistake. It becomes everyone else's problem when they pay a higher bank rate to mitigate bank losses.
Not sure where that is. I live 20 miles outside of Houston and my local dealer is back to pre COVID inventory of F150s with about 350 - 400 of them and they are turning them over in under a month. That's the same for a lot of dealers around here.
Saw a video today on TFL of the new Silverado ZR2 Bison that had the same problem. Barely 1000 lbs of payload. By the time you have mom and dad and a couple kids and all your gear, you have nothing left. Don't expect to tow a trailer or overland with it. Get an LT and put a lift kit on it and some good tires and you're much better off. Hella cheaper, too.
Related to that, it’s harder (or virtually impossible) to find trucks with a standard cab or even an extended cab. The bigger and more comfortable the back seats are and four doors vs. two, it takes away from the payload.
The nice thing about them, though - and we took advantage of it - is that you can order it any way you want to and you don’t have to wait forever to get it. 😊
I opted for no sun roof, a standard bed, and tailgate. It gives me a little over 1400 lbs payload then. I bought a dump trailer. Easier to load and unload. Won't scratch the paint on your truck and we all agree shoveling dirt around fenders is a pain. That's what I did and don't regret it because let's face it, the bed is barely big enough for a dog. If Ram made this an SUV, I probably would have bought that for dry storage. The 20s vs 22s also give you slightly more sidewall and ride. I even got 5% more sidewall rato to fit just fine so it doesn't look like a rubber band. Comfort and hauling can go together. As mentioned in the video, find a trailer that works with the truck, not against it.
Trucks are no longer just tools and workhorses. Most trucks drive around empty most of the time anyway and gas is still relatively cheap compared to most other countries. It’s just credit induced consumerism, and if you can afford it, I say go for it. Americans lead the world on how to live well, and the ones who know what they need get it and the rest just buy what they fancy or are marketed to.
Can thank all the wanna be’s , yuppies , the one upping the neighbor and coworkers for the prices of todays trucks Bare bones work trucks are over 50k now and that’s insanity.
@@S58985 I make observations. Been stabbed, shot at, handled ten year prison sentences, and at 70 years old, work two jobs. Been a blue collar guy all my life and proud.
Well i guess you should have payed attention and spent the extra couple hundred dollars for the 392s. The 33 gallon tank is a good option to get also. Now i can tell you from my personal experience the air suspension when in tow/haul mode will pretty much get you leveled back out. I have had it maxed out with a 31ft formula with twin 525sc engines and right around 140 gallons of fuel in it. Had zero issues and truck never blinked an eye. Also have a 16ft 10k flatbed with a new holland l218 that has over the wheel steel/rubber tracks. Only issue is loading and unloading it has to be put in jack mode otherwise the air suspension codes out when the back end lifts up. 392 gears is the only way to buy these trucks. Even my 1st ram was a 2013 laramie with pretty much the identical setup. The price difference between laramie, longhorn, limited and limited elite after a point your paying for the name just like any other brand.
Just got a 2020 Laramie… damn I wish I would have found this video sooner 😅… can’t say 100 it would have changed my mind though because the laramie is slightly more fuel efficient than the rebel i was eyeing. Anyway, mac PL on mine is 1412… so, how does one go about increasing the payload if even possible?
What regular human has ever thought "the most expensive truck is the most capable truck"? They have a work truck for work purposes. In modern times everyone knows the difference between a work teuck for work purposes and a luxury truck for a family carrier.
I'm looking around for something similar (not top trim) but I'm wanting the 3.92 just in case as I may buy a toy hauler to pull with my bike. It crazy how the 3.92 is normally a $95 option. I've found fully loaded trucks but without the 3.92.
The huge wheels are beginning to be a problem on everything. From cars to SUV to trucks. It's really scary to drive an Accord or Camry with 40-45 series tires, one bad pothole and you 're out... can't even repair it, they don't have a spare tire in the cars anymore.
When this all started, folks tried to kill two birds with one stone and have it all in a truck. It was more economical to have a pretty capable nicer truck trim to do a respectable amount of work, but still be comfortable going on road trips or having a nice night on the town. Now,, if you don't have a family and need a SUV, it is probably a more economical idea to get the lowest trim truck that meets your work and daily driver duties and buying a nice sedan for road trips, etc. since SUV's cost so much. As long as people keep paying stupid prices, they'll keep making them and taking our money.
Man that thing has a lot of payload. A whopping 21lbs more than the ZR2 Bison TFL just reviewed today. What a world we live in that pickup trucks are so capable and have huge payload capacities!
I've been around trucks my entire life and my father has been hauling his whole life - heavy equipment, recreational etc. The payload number in the door jamb is a very rough guide. I would argue a 1k payload can safely be 2k as long as the driver isn't brain dead. In fact, the air suspension in the Limited trim is designed to shut off at 2k.
I totally agree! I bought a 2019 Ram Tradesman - it is 2WD, bare-bones and came with the sad little steelie wheels. It has the 5.7L V-8 and the trailer package - all a guy really needs! I bought a nice set of Ram rims/wheels from one of the clowns that bought an $80k truck and needed to spend more $$$ and put larger rims on it... My $30k truck looks better and performs better than the luxury models. Not to mention - I hate crap like lane departure assist and rear backup assist... If you cannot back up a truck/trailer maybe it is time for a Prius and a manicure.
Exactly correct. I don't care for all those nannies either, my current truck has rear anti-lock brakes, that's all the safety nannies other than airbags that it has. The tow mirrors make it great for seeing what you need to see, and it don't have a backup camera either, although hooking up to a trailer by myself it would make it a bit easier, but not necessary. My truck is 4WD, extended cab with the 6-1/2 foot bed...does everything I need an HD truck for, and not full of electronic safety crap that I don't need/want.
In video you stated that the door sticker is more of a guideline. I have to disagree with you. In the event of an accident and your vehicle being over capacity, the insurance company can void your coverage as you failed to follow the manufacturer's guidelines. To validate this, please contact your insurance company and gather their perspective on this as I'm sure you will be more informed.
Hmm… We bought a Rebel. Not because we really really wanted one, because we couldn’t get our hands on the Toyota we actually wanted. Ford’s 10-speed is a disaster. GM’s 10-speed is the same one - not only that but GM ditched the 5.3 V8 we’d come to like so much. Ford’s engines are new too. So looking at RAM, we chose the ZF8 speed transmission and the venerable 5.7 HEMI - both of which are well sorted. Then we chose everything carefully to help us better use the truck for what it was intended - Overlanding. Bigger fuel tank, RAM box storage, towing package, Rebel 12 package gave us all the camera angles we needed to navigate, adjustable air suspension for higher clearance, underbody protection, rear view mirror camera for obstruction in the back. Split tailgate for easier access. By the time it was all said and done, it was nearly $75k US. 😮😮😮 The payload is 1280, which ain’t great. What is really weird is that our economy improves by 1mpg when it is loaded to the max (but not towing).
That is a very nice car, oops I mean a truck, I think. The payload capacity is not as much as my side by side. The price is no surprise after looking at the Ford and Chevrolet 1/2 tons in top trim. Maybe the banks will give you a 15-year loan for 3.99% so you can buy the damn thing. Thanks for the interesting video!
I would speculate that the payload ratings have as much to do with stopping the truck as its ability to tow. Overloading past the rating could get you in trouble even if it pulls without issue.
My dad and I went to pick up a cubic yard of garden soil with my Sierra 1500 the other day. I think my truck’s rated payload is around 1,650 lb, so I was almost certainly overloaded. I’ve also hauled a 1/2 yard of gravel. Also maxing or maybe exceeding payload rating. Regular pickup truck stuff, right?
RAM has been very misleading on their website...to the tune of 800lbs of payload evaporating once options are added. There's no way to verify this payload variance at the time of order either. The Ram App and Ram website do a lousy job of helping.
If you have an issue with high priced trucks stop reviewing them. Idiots will keep buying them but all your doing is giving them a free 15 minute commercial. Also no point taking $100,000 trucks off roading or towing because the actual owners never do anything like that besides showing up at work in a overpriced truck while they get out stepping on their powered steps so they don't get their pants dirty.
72 and 84 month payment plans are becoming the norm and this is part of the problem for companies to justify higher and higher truck/car prices. As for payload, there is no excuse for a full size truck to be at or barely above 1000 lbs but I bet most consumers completely overlook that stat.
Most people that buy luxury trucks aren't doing so with anything other than showing off in mind. Too much money and not enough brains to realize they paid way too much money for a truck 1/2 as capable as a truck 1/2 the price.
HI there . I just saw the video about Toyota Tundra trip to Labrador . Great stuff . I drive Toyota . I am buying a lease return 2019 tundra sr5 4x4 55,000km + .for $46,000 certified by the dealer . This may very well be my last vehicle being close to 72 yrs old . I don't care about the mileage . I care about the tough and durable truck . Say hi to your dad for me . I may buy the 2021 4 runner ! a bit lower mileage ( or both one for me and one for my son . God Bless . Claude Bruyère Hull Quebec .
It also would be great to have the weight per option in the pick list. Want a pano - 350lbs, want super cruise - 110lbs, want skid plate - 50 lbs. .....
The real question is why don't the manufacturers increase the GVWR's as the content increases? Is it due to government ratings or consumer demand (lack of)?
....physics, math...and economics (and greed and a bunch of other stuff). GVWR is based of the certain components, namely chassis, axles, suspension, engine, brakes, etc. And test results. Change that number (GVWR), those components have to be changed. That combination has to be tested and certified, which costs. Who's gonna pay for that? Not to mention, now inventory (space) for more levels/grades of components, programing to pick the proper components, etc. If it's a 70k difference for trim and accessory bits from base to Limited Elite, how much more do you think it would be for chassis, axles, etc bits to maintain payload/towing ratings?
Ridiculous pieces of crap. Not only do they have abysmally low payload and towing, they are still gonna wear out and rattle like crazy in 2,000 miles no matter how much you pay for them.
I have a Ram 1500 and a f250 diesel other then the weight difference there both great trucks! both tow my 35' RV and both tow my flat trailer hauling atvs and utv's ... at the end of the day its about preference lets see if this message will be removed 😂 ... i posted this comment and someone cried to youtube lol
The Platinum, Limited, Denali type trucks seem to me to be purchased by older folks that want the truck for occasional work but mostly because of the luxury of it. Its the new Lincoln/Cadillac for the older folks.
@@ryansheard8092 nah the step-in height is significant, heck in these videos they advertise a weird loop like you'd see on public transit to get in and with it being just a leather loop it's still not easy because it's not fixed like a grab handles is. For old people that's dangerous, they are weak and fragile, if they fall they'll have all kinds of broken bones. The best vehicles to get in and out of are crossovers.
@@mtbrdude interesting, this makes it weird that Truck King doesn't say you should stay below the limits because their viewers could be doing something illegal then
The midsize trucks in the rest of the world (Ford Ranger, VW Amarok, Toyota Hilux, Isuzu D-MAX etc.) have a payload - with the highest trim line - of around 1000kg (2200lbs).
Comes down to warranty , the makers do not want you to input a claim , because you flew down a resource rd with alot of weight . ie every logger and miner .
Used by posers who just want to say they have a truck, but should probably just be driving a nice car. And yes I have a truck that is a half ton crew cab (Tundra Crew Max Limited) but it used daily for work hauling parts that are made at my foundry. The 5’6” bed holds a pallet full of parts, and yes I probably go over the “rated” payload, but it doesn’t hurt it. I also put heavy duty E load rated tires on it because they’re over rated for my half ton, but because they will also last longer than your typical half ton truck tire. As a business owner, I have to be able to do it all and get to work, no excuses. I don’t not come to work because it just snowed 8” last night. I also have my own beater plow truck to plow my own lot. Anyway, yeah, I would say most new half ton truck buyers probably don’t need them other than, as many people say, to get mulch from Lowe’s and to butch up their look for the neighbors.
Between me and my wife we make almost 300,000 year there's no way I'm spending my hard-earned money on a truck that expensive I have a basic 2022 Ram Rebel and a 2023 Colorado ZR2 I have two nice off-road trucks for the price of that one
I disagree with the "rated payload". I have a 2017 GMC Sierra. I have probably 1,500 pounds of tools in it and i will pull a 10k trailer and the truck is just fine. Been doing it for 80k miles and the truck is fine. I think they are just saying such a safe number so they dont get sued when some idiot loads 5k in the bed and pulls a 10-12k trailer and blows his suspension.
The real problem is my wife... Has to have heated seats, has to have a moonroof, etc, etc, has to have a bench seat in the front to haul my grandkids {6 of 9 are 6'+}. Girls like driving trucks not doing truck things but just don't like the car offerings. Which is why our F150 and Ram 1500 are Bighorn and STX respectively. Everything you need and nothing you don't.
Hey that truck is worse than my 2021 Tundra Platinum when it comes to payload. I did think there were many 1/2 tons with lower payload than my truck. I do know the more stripped it is and less features the more available pay load and tow capacity it will have.
I think the biggest problem is that vehicles in general are to expensive. No way I’m paying $100k with out a 20 year bumper to bumper, including the body. In southern Ontario, look how many 5 year old trucks are rusted. I would bet most of these are business leases, don’t get me started on that loop hole.
There are several problems with loading your truck over the sticker recommened limit. 1. If something breaks because drove it overloaded, you lose your warrenty. 2. If you get pulled over by a state tropper, he can issue a ticket and not allow to to proceed with your load. I3. f you get into an accident, you will be at fault even if the other guy did a traffic vilation that hit your vechile, since you are illeagly on the road. BIG NO, NO.
I will always opt for the 3.21 ratio b3ecause of the bonus fuel milage that is implied rather than 3.92 ratio fuel wasting ratioo where i have to scream the engine at 60 mph.
No way would a 3.92 make the engine "scream" at a mere 60 mph but I agree that I'd prefer the 3.21 unless towing was a substantial portion of my truck usage.
If you never tow anything the lower ratio is fine, but if you want to tow, that 3.21 ratio will totally suck, even a 3.55 sucks for a towing ratio....3.73 at a minimum for towing is what I've found that works pretty well, and still gives decent fuel economy.
I found a use for these luxurious pavement princess trucks, you can haul Styrofoam packaging peanuts. Lol these trucks don't get me wrong are super nice but miss the mark of a true traditional truck owner that values what a truck was ment to do. I know there are lower models to choose from but even those are pricey. The guy who actually uses a truck as a truck suffers the most because of the demand for these vehicles drives up the cost. And you can't tell people they can't buy a truck unless you can prove you need it. Its a free market where you can do what you want. It is what it is.
Looks like a majority of people in the past decade want more features than payload. That's why they build these trucks. This isn't a problem. This is what's trending.
You would think, but I think that would be more of a concern for federal regulations. All these trucks are classified under certain weight and size classes. So in order for manufacturers to have this particular model meet this weight class, they have to have this amount of weight as their limit. So this half ton size probably has to stay between 6,500 to 7,100 pounds for the vehicle’s Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR). If they go any higher, then they start to go into a different weight class and size. That’s where you would start going into 3/4 ton and even 1 ton trucks. Which is obviously different from this 1/2 ton size truck. So it’s not really a matter if the manufacturer can add layers or beef up the truck to handle the weight, it’s just because of federal regulations and weight and size classifications.
I'd say these big trucks take the place of the old full size sedans.. It's a family vehicle now
@Technologically Challenged Tech Thts exactly what I drive.. Crown Vic's.. Marquis..had 3 Buick Lesarbres..1 station wagon.. downsizing began in 77' for GM..79' for Ford..
That's a good way to put it
Those sedans and station wagons didn't get light truck fuel economy exemptions. In the US bigger vehicles can be disproportionately less fuel efficient but that wasn't enough to keep the biggest sedans and wagons around, light trucks have way more lax regulations, one example is the gas guzzler tax which only applies to cars, not SUVs and trucks, but it goes so much deeper than that.
If it can carry the 400lb Yokun Cornelius, then yeah it can do the job
To really illustrate how ridiculous that payload is, a Honda Ridgeline has 1500 to 1580 lbs of payload. This issue also is an issue in midsized trucks in general, not just luxury full sized. A Tacoma is rated for 6800 lbs of towing but the TRD models have only 1100lbs of payload. If you have a 8x20 aluminum trailer with 4 Polaris sportsman's on it (about 4200lbs, I've pulled this load enough to have weighed it at the local scales) so about 420lbs of tongue weight. Now, the payload ratings for all trucks assume a 150lb driver (lol, not since high school) so take another 50lbs off in my case. So 1100-50-420=630. 4 ATVs so taking my 3 buddies, also about 200lbs each, so we have 30lbs left for any gear! The honda would still have 400lbs to spare. Ridiculous!
Good points. Tundras are just as bad, relative to their size.
This is just because buyers can't stand truck ride quality in a truck.
The G-Class chassis cab has a payload of 5500 lbs. THAT'S a work truck.
But, the Ridgeline isn’t a real truck… (sarcasm) 😉
@@JBM425 cause it "can't do as much" lol
Crazy high prices, exasperatingly low payload. Great video!
The G-Class chassis cab has a payload of 5500 lbs. THAT'S a work truck. It's not exactly cheap though.😂
I think the majority of people that buy a luxury truck like this one, buy it for just that, luxury and not a "work truck". I have a '22 Rebel with all the bells and whistles and I bought it for it's off road capability and the comfort and luxury it has. It's my daily driver and on long trips it's GREAT! Bye the way, love those Giddy Upz!
I new exactly what you were going to say. I have a F150 PowerBoost Platinum, payload is 1,213 lbs. I still love the truck, but pulling a 7k lbs RV is a payload concern.
If you want to use your truck to do truck stuff, you have to option it that way. I had a ‘21 Ram 1500 with 1830 lbs of payload and currently have a ‘22 Ram 3500 with just shy of 4K lbs of payload - pretty good for their respective classes. However, they were both Big Horns - in other words, well-enough optioned, but I knew going in I’d never get the payload ratings I needed if I loaded my trucks up with multiple subwoofers, four-corner air suspension, panoramic sunroofs, power rear seats, and so forth. IMHO a previous poster was right - these new über-luxe trucks are replacing a bunch of family sedans and SUVs of old and are spec’d for the occasional trip to Home Depot.
The G-Class chassis cab has a payload of 5500 lbs. THAT'S a work truck.
The sad thing is these things can't even do a trip to home depot because you can't even put sheets or planks of plywood in them because the bed is so short. SUVs and wagons if we wanna go back further would be able to do that job.
I appreciate this video. I have a Ram 1500 SLT, which is a trim level below Big Horn. The payload sticker on my truck is 1640 lbs.
My 5th gen big horn has 1750! The 5th gens generally have higher numbers when compared as best as possible to the 4th gens so that's good at least.
2020 1500 Classic Quad Cab Tradesman payload is 1740 lbs.
Full option hilux 2300 pounds😂 and it’s a 1/4 ton truck
That's weird. I have a 21 Laramie sport. It's payload is over 1500 lbs. Yes, I have the running boards and a sunroof. I don't have the ram box like yours. I do however have the optional 3.92 rear end.
Absolutely love the truck I have.
Ram suffers this the most because rear coil springs instead leafs, great for comfort, not so much for big payloads
Even equal payload coils vs leafs leafs will be better under load. The fact that a 2500 has coil springs is utterly ridiculous.
My 2020 ram 1500 big horn crew cab is enough luxury to keep the family happy and do the truck stuff I wanted it for. It helps that it came with a max tow package and the big horn level 2 equipment group.
My Bighorn has everything I need and came in at 50k. No sunroof, no leather, no fancy tailgate, 8" screen. Payload is fine for my needs, it's higher than this particular vehicle. I would never spend over 100k on a pickup truck, as much as I like them that's just too much money.
Great Video guys! I also am not a fan of low profile tires on a truck... it just makes no sense, you lose ride comfort and fuel economy by going with larger wheels. Just get larger tires and smaller wheels lol
Great explanations, fellas. My example is a '21 Ram 1500 Bighorn crew cab with the eTorque Hemi and 3.92 rear end. 1701# payload, 11,300 max towing. That being said, I'd bet my truck maxes out the rear coils somewhere between 6-800 lbs tongue weight even if we're otherwise within the payload cap. I've not tried it, but I've seen others do it and coils just don't carry the weight as well as leaf springs. We currently tow a small boat/trailer combo of around 3K, and probably less than 10% tongue weight (but I've never measured it). As for towing outside/above rated capacities, any of them, GVWR, GCWR, GAWR, payload, etc, I'd say most trucks are "capable" of achieving this but I'd bet insurance companies would be quick to check operating within or outside of these if you ever had a mishap while towing, even if was unavoidably not your fault. Some live with this level of exposure without worry, but for me that potential is outside what I'd be willing to accept due to the possible financial, or other implications. 100% agree that optioned out, top trim levels come at the expense of payload and ultimately, towing, and in Ram's case, 3.21's vs 3.92's equate to around 2.5K pounds of max towing capabilities, but I'm guessing they all have the same level of rear sag when hooked up to anything greater than 600 lbs tongue weight, even without other payload contributors. Still love it, though!
I just bought a 22 Ram Limited Hemi no etorque. It has almost no added options (anti spin dif and trailer break is all) the payload on the sticker says 1600 something lbs. this is a great best of both worlds. The nice interior and still able to get the job done.
I guess for that price it would make more sense to get a 2500 if you want all the features and also have a respectable towing/payload capacity.
With half tons costing as much as an HD truck in some cases, it only makes sense to buy an HD truck over a half ton!
2022 f150 xlt, 1960lbs payload, my old one was a 2014 ram 1500 sxt , 1440lbs payload. The ram does ride nicer due to rear coil springs but I love the new truck, much better when towing
Yeah Ford makes the best trucks that are still meant to do work, the new Ranger also still has leafs except for the Raptor. F-150 is also the best halfton, so much payload, with other brands you'd need a 2500 for that and they are much bigger and less efficient.
Those 22 inch rims are a big part of the problem. Low profile tires have a lower load rating than regular tires.
Nope, wheels and tires are unsprung weight and do not reduce your payload.
@@JohnSmith-ev1sm The tires themselves also have a load rating. Something to always keep in mind when picking tires.
@@Combatpzman Factory tires are not the problem, they have a load rating that can easily handle these loads.
No they don't
@@JohnSmith-ev1sm I was thinking more along the lines of when you replace the junk OEM tires.
A really expensive/glorified wheelbarrow that doubles as a fashion accessory 😂
Sorry, but 600lbs of Elmers killed me! LOL Great vid as always!
Good morning Truck King... morning Steve!!
I agree with everyone’s comments on the payload being too low and price too high. I have some towing needs so I always have to spec a lower trim truck. DI wonder if insurance companies ever look at payload when there’s an accident involving towing? Even if that’s not the cause you may wonder if they would use that information to deny coverage.
As far as I’m concerned the public can’t be educated enough on this topic. Based on what I see on the road with half ton trucks. This RAM the bed is a decoration. Unless you don’t have passengers.
Youre explaining things perfectly. Everything weighs, and the bed is tiny, and the limited longhorn I'm looking at max is 1395 pounds on the sticker.
I believe a nice middle of the pack model with a sport appearance package, would be the perfect truck for towing and looks. This goes for all brands of pickups.
Those big wheels are horrible looking. I don't understand why anyone would want them.
Because people have different tastes. And most people will put bigger tires on them too
Great video.I really want a truck. But it would be a third vehicle that is for work around the house and camping, ideally i can sleep in the back. I dont need fancy, i need capability. That is proving hard to find
I just bought an HD truck just for those types of jobs...yes, it'll sit most of the time until I have a need to tow/haul something heavy...but its mine, and I can use it whenever I want, not whenever a rental place has something available for a ridiculous amount of $$$ to rent. Its pretty well equipped for the time it was built, and has all the options you'd really ever need in a truck that gets used as a truck...the only thing different I would do would find one with a manual transmission, but pretty hard to find it seems where I live for a 3/4 ton V10 truck. Nope didn't want a diesel either, don't care for the higher fuel costs, maintenance and repair costs....sure if I were towing at full capacity all day every day a diesel would make sense, but for the few times a month it gets used, the V10 is perfectly fine.
I just got a 21 Ram 1500 Limited and the payload is ~1250, so pretty similar. With my booty in there, its down to 1000. I don't plan to tow anything over 5000, so I should be fine but when you consider that the new price on the thing was 70k USD, it seems insane.
Down in the states the dealers have too much inventory. Some up to 150 days. Half ton sales have hit a wall with the higher bank rates. Economy is slowing and personal debt is at an all time high. Many owners underwater on their trades as new truck prices are beginning to tank. Not hard to find 10K off on these now. Even Ram has factory rebates. Soon they will offer 15K off as dealers get desperate to move inventory. Its only going to get worse. The bottom line is Banks are getting tight on their guild lines and payments are going up up up. The big three "think" they can keep prices up but when the Federal reserve keeps bumping interests rates its a losing battle. Because the Feds want prices to go down. That's their intention in all of this.
Imagine pay MSRP or above and having to pay for gap insurance too because you are so far upside down
@@youngblood23rb And your literally stuck with the vehicle because you will still take the hit if you trade. And being underwater will also hurt your credit score if you trade because you will have to finance two cars at that point. Or you can be like lot allot of owners and just give it back to the dealer. Which means they have to send it to auction and take the loss. And most repos are garbage. But people who made foolish decisions that pay too much will generally not take ownership for their mistake. It becomes everyone else's problem when they pay a higher bank rate to mitigate bank losses.
Not sure where that is. I live 20 miles outside of Houston and my local dealer is back to pre COVID inventory of F150s with about 350 - 400 of them and they are turning them over in under a month. That's the same for a lot of dealers around here.
I think this specific truck is just a family luxury car but that’s what I love about it. Will buy it soon
Check this out. My 73 Chevy Luv has 1500 lb payload. My Tacoma TRD PRO has a 900lb payload! Unbelievable
I wonder why they dont install heavy rated springs and tires to keep a reasonable payload.
The problem is theses big cabs...your taking away the payload when you add these full size cabs
Saw a video today on TFL of the new Silverado ZR2 Bison that had the same problem. Barely 1000 lbs of payload. By the time you have mom and dad and a couple kids and all your gear, you have nothing left. Don't expect to tow a trailer or overland with it. Get an LT and put a lift kit on it and some good tires and you're much better off. Hella cheaper, too.
Related to that, it’s harder (or virtually impossible) to find trucks with a standard cab or even an extended cab. The bigger and more comfortable the back seats are and four doors vs. two, it takes away from the payload.
The nice thing about them, though - and we took advantage of it - is that you can order it any way you want to and you don’t have to wait forever to get it. 😊
Have a good one everybody ✌️...thanks for another great video guys .....
I opted for no sun roof, a standard bed, and tailgate. It gives me a little over 1400 lbs payload then. I bought a dump trailer. Easier to load and unload. Won't scratch the paint on your truck and we all agree shoveling dirt around fenders is a pain. That's what I did and don't regret it because let's face it, the bed is barely big enough for a dog. If Ram made this an SUV, I probably would have bought that for dry storage. The 20s vs 22s also give you slightly more sidewall and ride. I even got 5% more sidewall rato to fit just fine so it doesn't look like a rubber band. Comfort and hauling can go together. As mentioned in the video, find a trailer that works with the truck, not against it.
Trucks are no longer just tools and workhorses.
Most trucks drive around empty most of the time anyway and gas is still relatively cheap compared to most other countries.
It’s just credit induced consumerism, and if you can afford it, I say go for it.
Americans lead the world on how to live well, and the ones who know what they need get it and the rest just buy what they fancy or are marketed to.
Can thank all the wanna be’s , yuppies , the one upping the neighbor and coworkers for the prices of todays trucks Bare bones work trucks are over 50k now and that’s insanity.
Water cooler truckers!
Water cooler truckers! Just look at how clean their floor mats are, and no worn out gloves on the dash.
@@atvseatexchange2176Gloves go in the glove box
No one complains and cry’s more than you blue collar guys
@@S58985 I make observations. Been stabbed, shot at, handled ten year prison sentences, and at 70 years old, work two jobs. Been a blue collar guy all my life and proud.
Well i guess you should have payed attention and spent the extra couple hundred dollars for the 392s. The 33 gallon tank is a good option to get also. Now i can tell you from my personal experience the air suspension when in tow/haul mode will pretty much get you leveled back out. I have had it maxed out with a 31ft formula with twin 525sc engines and right around 140 gallons of fuel in it. Had zero issues and truck never blinked an eye. Also have a 16ft 10k flatbed with a new holland l218 that has over the wheel steel/rubber tracks. Only issue is loading and unloading it has to be put in jack mode otherwise the air suspension codes out when the back end lifts up. 392 gears is the only way to buy these trucks. Even my 1st ram was a 2013 laramie with pretty much the identical setup. The price difference between laramie, longhorn, limited and limited elite after a point your paying for the name just like any other brand.
Good information but almost no one pays attention or follows payload numbers
Those are ignorant people that will cause unintended accidents in the road
Just got a 2020 Laramie… damn I wish I would have found this video sooner 😅… can’t say 100 it would have changed my mind though because the laramie is slightly more fuel efficient than the rebel i was eyeing. Anyway, mac PL on mine is 1412… so, how does one go about increasing the payload if even possible?
What regular human has ever thought "the most expensive truck is the most capable truck"? They have a work truck for work purposes. In modern times everyone knows the difference between a work teuck for work purposes and a luxury truck for a family carrier.
I'm looking around for something similar (not top trim) but I'm wanting the 3.92 just in case as I may buy a toy hauler to pull with my bike. It crazy how the 3.92 is normally a $95 option. I've found fully loaded trucks but without the 3.92.
Can they swap it in pre purchase?
My wife and I plus the dog are 300 pounds , boat tongue another 300 . Happy with the ram 😊
The huge wheels are beginning to be a problem on everything. From cars to SUV to trucks. It's really scary to drive an Accord or Camry with 40-45 series tires, one bad pothole and you 're out... can't even repair it, they don't have a spare tire in the cars anymore.
I love the luxury trucks! If you can afford to buy one ,by all means. In the end its still a1/2 ton,so over a 1000lbs,still good.
When this all started, folks tried to kill two birds with one stone and have it all in a truck. It was more economical to have a pretty capable nicer truck trim to do a respectable amount of work, but still be comfortable going on road trips or having a nice night on the town. Now,, if you don't have a family and need a SUV, it is probably a more economical idea to get the lowest trim truck that meets your work and daily driver duties and buying a nice sedan for road trips, etc. since SUV's cost so much. As long as people keep paying stupid prices, they'll keep making them and taking our money.
Knew it was going to be payload. My 2015 Sienna minivan has 1355.
Fully loaded RAM rebel just hit the lot at my dealer: GT package and every option. 995 payload.
Man that thing has a lot of payload. A whopping 21lbs more than the ZR2 Bison TFL just reviewed today. What a world we live in that pickup trucks are so capable and have huge payload capacities!
Thats not a large payload capacity its extremely limited
That 21 lbs means you can mall crawl AND get some groceries.
Most dodge owners i know eat up half their truck capacity just by getting in 😂
Lol. Thats true.
I take offense to this 😔😔
They must be like 500 lbs lol.
"Hey, I resemble that remark!" Love, Curly Howard
Ford owners I know love the fuel economy to their minimum wage jobs
I've been around trucks my entire life and my father has been hauling his whole life - heavy equipment, recreational etc. The payload number in the door jamb is a very rough guide. I would argue a 1k payload can safely be 2k as long as the driver isn't brain dead. In fact, the air suspension in the Limited trim is designed to shut off at 2k.
I totally agree! I bought a 2019 Ram Tradesman - it is 2WD, bare-bones and came with the sad little steelie wheels. It has the 5.7L V-8 and the trailer package - all a guy really needs! I bought a nice set of Ram rims/wheels from one of the clowns that bought an $80k truck and needed to spend more $$$ and put larger rims on it... My $30k truck looks better and performs better than the luxury models. Not to mention - I hate crap like lane departure assist and rear backup assist... If you cannot back up a truck/trailer maybe it is time for a Prius and a manicure.
Exactly correct. I don't care for all those nannies either, my current truck has rear anti-lock brakes, that's all the safety nannies other than airbags that it has. The tow mirrors make it great for seeing what you need to see, and it don't have a backup camera either, although hooking up to a trailer by myself it would make it a bit easier, but not necessary. My truck is 4WD, extended cab with the 6-1/2 foot bed...does everything I need an HD truck for, and not full of electronic safety crap that I don't need/want.
Base models 💪💪💪
In video you stated that the door sticker is more of a guideline. I have to disagree with you. In the event of an accident and your vehicle being over capacity, the insurance company can void your coverage as you failed to follow the manufacturer's guidelines. To validate this, please contact your insurance company and gather their perspective on this as I'm sure you will be more informed.
Hmm… We bought a Rebel. Not because we really really wanted one, because we couldn’t get our hands on the Toyota we actually wanted. Ford’s 10-speed is a disaster. GM’s 10-speed is the same one - not only that but GM ditched the 5.3 V8 we’d come to like so much. Ford’s engines are new too. So looking at RAM, we chose the ZF8 speed transmission and the venerable 5.7 HEMI - both of which are well sorted. Then we chose everything carefully to help us better use the truck for what it was intended - Overlanding. Bigger fuel tank, RAM box storage, towing package, Rebel 12 package gave us all the camera angles we needed to navigate, adjustable air suspension for higher clearance, underbody protection, rear view mirror camera for obstruction in the back. Split tailgate for easier access. By the time it was all said and done, it was nearly $75k US. 😮😮😮 The payload is 1280, which ain’t great. What is really weird is that our economy improves by 1mpg when it is loaded to the max (but not towing).
That is a very nice car, oops I mean a truck, I think. The payload capacity is not as much as my side by side. The price is no surprise after looking at the Ford and Chevrolet 1/2 tons in top trim. Maybe the banks will give you a 15-year loan for 3.99% so you can buy the damn thing. Thanks for the interesting video!
I would speculate that the payload ratings have as much to do with stopping the truck as its ability to tow. Overloading past the rating could get you in trouble even if it pulls without issue.
I think handling as much as anything. Off road trims with softer suspension suffer the payload penalty as well.
The prices are just crazy. They always show in the commercials the top tier truck and it gives you a false sense of real towing.
LOL my Mazda CX-5 has 1033 pounds of payload, crazy to think its the same as some large luxury trucks.
Mo money mo problem a great person once said
My dad and I went to pick up a cubic yard of garden soil with my Sierra 1500 the other day. I think my truck’s rated payload is around 1,650 lb, so I was almost certainly overloaded. I’ve also hauled a 1/2 yard of gravel. Also maxing or maybe exceeding payload rating. Regular pickup truck stuff, right?
A simple solution- if you want to tow in a luxury truck- stop buying those stupid half tons and get a 3/4.
RAM has been very misleading on their website...to the tune of 800lbs of payload evaporating once options are added. There's no way to verify this payload variance at the time of order either. The Ram App and Ram website do a lousy job of helping.
If you have an issue with high priced trucks stop reviewing them. Idiots will keep buying them but all your doing is giving them a free 15 minute commercial. Also no point taking $100,000 trucks off roading or towing because the actual owners never do anything like that besides showing up at work in a overpriced truck while they get out stepping on their powered steps so they don't get their pants dirty.
72 and 84 month payment plans are becoming the norm and this is part of the problem for companies to justify higher and higher truck/car prices. As for payload, there is no excuse for a full size truck to be at or barely above 1000 lbs but I bet most consumers completely overlook that stat.
Most people that buy luxury trucks aren't doing so with anything other than showing off in mind. Too much money and not enough brains to realize they paid way too much money for a truck 1/2 as capable as a truck 1/2 the price.
HI there . I just saw the video about Toyota Tundra trip to Labrador . Great stuff . I drive Toyota . I am buying a lease return 2019 tundra sr5 4x4 55,000km + .for $46,000 certified by the dealer .
This may very well be my last vehicle being close to 72 yrs old . I don't care about the mileage . I care about the tough and durable truck . Say hi to your dad for me . I may buy the 2021 4 runner ! a bit lower mileage ( or both one for me and one for my son . God Bless . Claude Bruyère Hull Quebec .
6 figure truck ends up being a van with there horrible payload
It also would be great to have the weight per option in the pick list. Want a pano - 350lbs, want super cruise - 110lbs, want skid plate - 50 lbs. .....
Agreed. Would make the purchase decisions more clear.
Ok didnt think it would 1000lbs. Thats shameful.
I was unhappy at 1650lbs on my 21 F150 Lariat
Why are these trucks limited to 6,800# GVWR?
The real question is why don't the manufacturers increase the GVWR's as the content increases? Is it due to government ratings or consumer demand (lack of)?
....physics, math...and economics (and greed and a bunch of other stuff). GVWR is based of the certain components, namely chassis, axles, suspension, engine, brakes, etc. And test results. Change that number (GVWR), those components have to be changed. That combination has to be tested and certified, which costs. Who's gonna pay for that? Not to mention, now inventory (space) for more levels/grades of components, programing to pick the proper components, etc. If it's a 70k difference for trim and accessory bits from base to Limited Elite, how much more do you think it would be for chassis, axles, etc bits to maintain payload/towing ratings?
Ridiculous pieces of crap. Not only do they have abysmally low payload and towing, they are still gonna wear out and rattle like crazy in 2,000 miles no matter how much you pay for them.
I have a Ram 1500 and a f250 diesel other then the weight difference there both great trucks! both tow my 35' RV and both tow my flat trailer hauling atvs and utv's ... at the end of the day its about preference
lets see if this message will be removed 😂 ... i posted this comment and someone cried to youtube lol
The modern pickup truck is the old station wagon.
The Platinum, Limited, Denali type trucks seem to me to be purchased by older folks that want the truck for occasional work but mostly because of the luxury of it. Its the new Lincoln/Cadillac for the older folks.
and those older people can't even get in those things comfortably, it's fucking ridiculous
@I'm Not Using My Real Name huh? Sure they can. It's the easiest thing to get in and out of. Far easier than a car
@@ryansheard8092 nah the step-in height is significant, heck in these videos they advertise a weird loop like you'd see on public transit to get in and with it being just a leather loop it's still not easy because it's not fixed like a grab handles is. For old people that's dangerous, they are weak and fragile, if they fall they'll have all kinds of broken bones. The best vehicles to get in and out of are crossovers.
In many jurisdictions like Australia or European countries if you exceed the payload by a certain amount (5% or so) you'll be ticketed quite a bit.
Same here in Canada.
@@mtbrdude interesting, this makes it weird that Truck King doesn't say you should stay below the limits because their viewers could be doing something illegal then
My 95 sonoma 2.2 has more payload than that! More reasons to stick with these good old tanks.
The midsize trucks in the rest of the world (Ford Ranger, VW Amarok, Toyota Hilux, Isuzu D-MAX etc.) have a payload - with the highest trim line - of around 1000kg (2200lbs).
Lol. My John Deere gator has a 1000 pound payload. My GM At4x is 1260.
Comes down to warranty , the makers do not want you to input a claim , because you flew down a resource rd with alot of weight . ie every logger and miner .
Sorry guys, but I’m interested at all in a truck priced over $100k.
That makes sense. you buy a big truck that can handle the same payload as an Opel Corsa
My 2022 F150 XL Super Crew Powerboost has a capacity of 2090 lbs
Used by posers who just want to say they have a truck, but should probably just be driving a nice car. And yes I have a truck that is a half ton crew cab (Tundra Crew Max Limited) but it used daily for work hauling parts that are made at my foundry. The 5’6” bed holds a pallet full of parts, and yes I probably go over the “rated” payload, but it doesn’t hurt it. I also put heavy duty E load rated tires on it because they’re over rated for my half ton, but because they will also last longer than your typical half ton truck tire. As a business owner, I have to be able to do it all and get to work, no excuses. I don’t not come to work because it just snowed 8” last night. I also have my own beater plow truck to plow my own lot. Anyway, yeah, I would say most new half ton truck buyers probably don’t need them other than, as many people say, to get mulch from Lowe’s and to butch up their look for the neighbors.
My Mercedes E450 All terrain has 1179 lbs of payload and it’s not even rated to tow anything 😂.
Between me and my wife we make almost 300,000 year there's no way I'm spending my hard-earned money on a truck that expensive I have a basic 2022 Ram Rebel and a 2023 Colorado ZR2 I have two nice off-road trucks for the price of that one
I disagree with the "rated payload". I have a 2017 GMC Sierra. I have probably 1,500 pounds of tools in it and i will pull a 10k trailer and the truck is just fine. Been doing it for 80k miles and the truck is fine. I think they are just saying such a safe number so they dont get sued when some idiot loads 5k in the bed and pulls a 10-12k trailer and blows his suspension.
The real problem is my wife... Has to have heated seats, has to have a moonroof, etc, etc, has to have a bench seat in the front to haul my grandkids {6 of 9 are 6'+}. Girls like driving trucks not doing truck things but just don't like the car offerings. Which is why our F150 and Ram 1500 are Bighorn and STX respectively. Everything you need and nothing you don't.
Hey that truck is worse than my 2021 Tundra Platinum when it comes to payload. I did think there were many 1/2 tons with lower payload than my truck. I do know the more stripped it is and less features the more available pay load and tow capacity it will have.
I think the biggest problem is that vehicles in general are to expensive. No way I’m paying $100k with out a 20 year bumper to bumper, including the body. In southern Ontario, look how many 5 year old trucks are rusted. I would bet most of these are business leases, don’t get me started on that loop hole.
There are several problems with loading your truck over the sticker recommened limit. 1. If something breaks because drove it overloaded, you lose your warrenty. 2. If you get pulled over by a state tropper, he can issue a ticket and not allow to to proceed with your load. I3. f you get into an accident, you will be at fault even if the other guy did a traffic vilation that hit your vechile, since you are illeagly on the road. BIG NO, NO.
i can almost gurantee you if they had to go over weigh scales like semis do,a lot of them will be over weight.
> $100K for a truck...lol, no thank you, I will keep my 2001 GMC 2500HD. These $100K trucks are toys & status symbols these days.
I will always opt for the 3.21 ratio b3ecause of the bonus fuel milage that is implied rather than 3.92 ratio fuel wasting ratioo where i have to scream the engine at 60 mph.
No way would a 3.92 make the engine "scream" at a mere 60 mph but I agree that I'd prefer the 3.21 unless towing was a substantial portion of my truck usage.
If you never tow anything the lower ratio is fine, but if you want to tow, that 3.21 ratio will totally suck, even a 3.55 sucks for a towing ratio....3.73 at a minimum for towing is what I've found that works pretty well, and still gives decent fuel economy.
I found a use for these luxurious pavement princess trucks, you can haul Styrofoam packaging peanuts. Lol these trucks don't get me wrong are super nice but miss the mark of a true traditional truck owner that values what a truck was ment to do. I know there are lower models to choose from but even those are pricey. The guy who actually uses a truck as a truck suffers the most because of the demand for these vehicles drives up the cost. And you can't tell people they can't buy a truck unless you can prove you need it. Its a free market where you can do what you want. It is what it is.
My 2022 ranger tremor has a payload of 1,440 lbs and towing 7,500
The higher the trim level, less pay load across trucks no matter make or model
Looks like a majority of people in the past decade want more features than payload. That's why they build these trucks. This isn't a problem. This is what's trending.
Such a weird problem. I would think the manufacturers would add layers of suspension to the luxury trucks.
You would think, but I think that would be more of a concern for federal regulations. All these trucks are classified under certain weight and size classes. So in order for manufacturers to have this particular model meet this weight class, they have to have this amount of weight as their limit. So this half ton size probably has to stay between 6,500 to 7,100 pounds for the vehicle’s Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR). If they go any higher, then they start to go into a different weight class and size. That’s where you would start going into 3/4 ton and even 1 ton trucks. Which is obviously different from this 1/2 ton size truck. So it’s not really a matter if the manufacturer can add layers or beef up the truck to handle the weight, it’s just because of federal regulations and weight and size classifications.