@@rowanyuh6326 The actual Challenger 3 prototype has got brand new armour and the armour itself is thicker, you can see it on the hull and turret The 3TD we have ingame is just a modified Challenger 2 Hopefully they dont add the really Chally 3 with the same armour as the Chally 2, that would be an absolute joke
that goes for all vehicles in the game... the only parameter that really matters in this game is power to weight ratio... torque, gear ratios are straight out of the window. The worst example of this is the french AMX10RC which IRL has a superb acceleration from 0 to it's max speed thanks to it's transmission and turbocharged engine. Not in WT though...
The nerf comes with no BR change,and was made through an unofficial official statment (IK that sounds confusing) Gaijin just really hates britan, prove me wrong. I dont understand why they would nerf a tank that doesnt even exist yet, IK it has a prototype and that is all made, but man come on.
Btw if you play on console the sights are even worse because you cant use custom sights and there is just a black bar of compressed range line things (i forgot what they're called) which blocks a lot of your aiming/ability to see lmao
@@aguy607 on PC you can download custom sight mods search it up, console players don't get access to this stuff (there's also sound mods and graphical mods)
Germany doesn't suffer Britain does.... The only reason Germany "suffers" is because of dumb teammates. Britain truly suffers because Gaijin just keeps nerfing Britian into the ground. I swear since all they're early tanks use ap instead of aphe they added volumetric just Britain would suffer even more bouncing shells.
The Brits and Germans have opposite problems. Brits have good players so statistics look good and Gaijin nerfs them into the ground, Germans have horrible players so statistics look bad and Gaijin buffs them a ton.
Its been 8 months since the report with photographic proof the Chally 2/3 have hull spall liners and gaijin still hasnt added them... no nice things for Britain
First the Stomer now the Challenger 3?! Like, Gaijin what the f**k, it's not called "one of the world's best tanks" for nothing! When are they gonna nerf a Russian tank instead for goodness sake. 💀 Edit: Give it a matter of time and they’ll nerf something else! Edit 2: I started a war! 😅
@@Hunter-ww9rd yeah, but my issue is, that in this update every nation new mbt was better or comparable to the rest of their tanks. Britain is the only nation that got a tank that is significantly worse than other 11.7 challengers.
@@mirekspodmonopolowego9016 the M1a2 SEP V2 is exactly the same as the previous abrams but slower and more vulnerable to HE. Britain isn’t the only nation that got a “worse” MBT since this gets much better pen than the previous challys and all it loses is some engine power.
You blind ahh thing they just nerfed all Russian top tiers to the ground. Do you not see the goddamn autoloader modeled? Instead they should nerf all Leopard 2s with spall liner because a thin layer of materials won’t do shit against a 5kg dart flying at 2000 m/s ffs
@@Янус_Ыртthey don’t need the best round. As he said they don’t need to aim for weak spots. They go through all NATO armor easily only having minor issues on Abrams and Leopard 2s if the they’re being shoot at a really bad angle.
@@cuhyotepowered1201 Abrams and T-64/72/80/90 have same weakspots - mantlet, under the turret and LFP. Leopard 2 is way tankier and more survivable than both Abrams and T-Tanks. Also Abrams and Leopard have better mobility and gun depression, so what are you talking about?
This tank is sad man. It’s easier to kill than other challengers. It loses the reload rate that made the others good. When you compare it to a 2a6, it falls short in every aspect besides a stronger hull which hardly matters. Stop at the 2E.
If leak lists can be trusted it took gaijin until they added Thailand in order to add another british light. Top tier could also benefit from an 8 wheeler like the badger or boxer. They should come eventually but knowing gaijin it'll take them another year at least.
I refuse to play it after the engine nerf, especially on the principal that it was fixed within a month of being reported on an unfinished vehicle.. Meanwhile we've got bug reports over 2 years old on other vehicles that would greatly improve them.. I'd sooner play the 10.3 line up where at least the challenger 1 is alot closer to its real life performance. F**k the challenger 3 and f**k gaijin for constantly ruining the challenger 2s.
Actually Rheinmetall is ahead of schedule with the CR3, it will arrive on time if not earlier. The pre-production vehicles we're completed earlier this year.
"NOOOO Gaijin you can't nerf my vaporwave" It's literally a Challenger 2 chassis with an upgraded engine, new larger turret, autoloader and 130mm Rh-130 L/51, not only do all of these things exist individually, but they've been put together in the real Chally 3 TD as well, nothing "vaporware" about it. It's specifically funny when people use the same argument to defend the 2S38, but of course, it's only valid for the 2S38, nothing else. "supposed to enter service in 2027 (it won't lol)" Wait, hold on a minute. It's almost like, like... the purpose of a technology demonstrator (that's why it's called Challenger 3 TD) is to put new tech on an existing platform so that interested countries can pick what they like for future tanks. What's your next genius prediction? That the Abrams X won't enter service as presented either? Please don't tell me the EMBT-ADT won't enter service exactly as displayed in Eurosatory 2024 either, that would be horrible! We really have some intelligent folk out here. But i digress. This is not a nerf, this is how it should've been since the beginning, the Caterpillar CV12 9A engine the Challenger 3 TD uses has always had 1200hp. I don't know why gaijin gave it 1500hp in the first place. The CV12 has existed for a long time, nothing vaporware about it either. The funny thing is that this engine (although a different variant) is also used on the Challenger 2, however Gaijin has always given Chally 2 models north of 1200hp from the get-go, beats me how they somehow messed it up when developing the Chally 3 TD. The only place where i can find the CV12 stating it has 1500hp is on a marketing flier by Perkins Engines (Parent company of Caterpillar Inc. and Caterpillar Uk Engines Company Limited), however it's stated that that's the peak unregulated power, which is not the power it would develop during normal operation. So i will take James Cartlidge's (former Minister for Defence Procurement of the UK and present Shadow Secretary of State for Defence) word when he says the CV12 9A has 1200hp.
The really dubious thing about this change, Justin, is that they used a source to justify the engine change that was specifically for the Challenger 3 Prototype, which is a different vehicle down the development cycle.
That is not dubious, if the only information we have on any challenger 3 engine is that the prototype did not have 1500 hp, then why would gaijin give the technical demonstrator a 1500 hp engine
@@airsoftpopcornit is dubious since there are plenty of articles, leaks etc for other vehicles in game that they don’t want you to implement, but choose to do it now?
@@airsoftpopcorn Because Gaijin has a standard of only accepting certain sources (usually primaries) to induce any changes, and I don’t think the source for the Prototype falls anywhere close to that category. Meanwhile the source is simply for a different vehicle. You can claim similarities all you want, but what you can’t do is say that the TD and the Prototype are the same vehicle, and you can’t actually tell me with any certainty whether they share all of the same internals. Gaijin’s standard (the one they make the community abide by) has consistently been certainty, and there is none here. Meanwhile I can provide you a perfectly appropriate reason as to why the Tech Demonstrator would have an uprated engine compared to the Prototype CR3: The TD’s primary goal was to display modernisations for the CR2 platform that could be implemented for the CR3. We know that there have been discussions and developments for years to uprate the CV12 to a 1500 HP standard. You cannot tell me it’s a stretch to state that the MoD may have decided a 1500HP engine wasn’t necessary and axed it from the upgrade budget to save on costs. That conjecture is about as plausible as Gaijin’s change, given the available (or lack there of) sources.
so one of the main things labelled as an upgrade on the challenger 3 was the engine upgrade and now they take that away from us to, and considering there is plenty of videos and personnel experience with the challenger 2 that is that it can drive at slower speeds and turn without just dying out and barely moving and while not the fastest tank out there it is definitely slower off the line than irl
Actually, no, not part of the CR3 program. The engine+transmission will be upgraded throughout the entire fleet of tanks (HAAIP), and the upgrades+transmission theoretically enable 1500hp. It's said that 1350hp **could** be done (again, not part of the CR3 program) without major cooling upgrades. But the problem is that fundamentally, CR2 and CR3 are anaemic. And due to implementation, it's afaik worse in the game. MOD website, under challenger-2-vehicles-upgrade-programme/ (idk if links are blocked), not entire sourcing, but should be enough.
@rot7296 links dont work, but on the british army site they talk about the challenger 3 being on time and talk about the upgrades which is an engine upgrade and a hygrogas suspension upgrade affording better mobility....... the challenger 2 upgrade program is seperate and is a smaller upgrade to the rest of the fleet but challenger 3 will have the upgrade from day 1. The challenger 3 in the game the first tech demo and does not have these upgrades but it would be nice to have something that works seen as they scrwed up the rest.
@goodsoup6085 Yeah, I just took some offence with the "main things labelled as an upgrade on the CR3" claim. The LEP RBLS upsold them the CR3 for clearly focused on firepower+protection+soft factors, with a whole new turret - not the propulsion, although the CR3 will end up with slight improvements. Don't know about the exact time frames, though. couldn't be arsed tbh.
@rot7296 I dont really mind the armour being off due to the way WT does armour and dosnt differciate composite armour really like whatever but when its mixed with it being more sluggish in game than it already is in real life its like a double punch. I dont see how the cr3 tech demo can still be at 11.7 when its got worse armour now than the regular challenger 2 due to the mantlet and less spall liners and has the leopard gun and ammo that lower br tanks get that are also faster
if you want to destroy a challenger 3 TD easily, just shoot the right side of the breach... it'll go straight through, and into the ammo rack in the turret getting you an instant kill... - that and the breach is still the massive weak spot... The challenger 2's have been done so dirty by gaijin... plenty of evidence and videos that they move faster than they do in game, and documentation that they are stronger than they are in game, but gaijin keep nerfing them, in disguise as "fixes" - they nerfed the engine based on a comment made on the adopted version of the Challenger 3 - this is the TD, which had the more powerful engine. the production one apparently doesn't, but gaijin do not care, they gave it the production engine even though it literally identified as the TD. they used word of mouth with no real evidence to make the change in the engine, as an excuse to nerf it aswell. WORD OF MOUTH. something that would NEVER be considered for any other nation. The challenger 2's arn't bad tanks, but because so much information is classified about them, gaijin are allowed to make up whatever values they want for it; and as such, they basically just made them weak, underpowered, slow, lumbering, useless things on the battlefield when compared to the other "meta" vehicles.
At least no one can say there is a British bias. If anything, it just means playing British vehicles is just playing higher difficulty compared to you Yanks, Krauts & Ruskies.
Not only they nerfed the engine, they also nerfed the turret cheeks. It used to be able to stop Khrizanthema’s missile on the cheeks on release. If you check on the armour viewer, the tank’s 3D render on the cheeks and the armour viewer does not align.
The reason its got a 1200hp engine was because thats what the british MOD said in an adress. Saying something down the lines of Challenger 3 will eb equipped with a 1200hp engine, instead of the 1500hp engine, which sucks. If I did get something mixed up feel free to tell me
The black night is a better second spawn! The APS is really nice once the CAS starts to appear and you can see KA-50/52 wasting their missiles :D. first spawn its either the 2E or TD
Did you know the Rooivalk is better than the apache in real life which would make some americans scream because it was built 20 years before the apache 😂
Justin? It's a bit of a weird request, but could you try out the VFM5 and the Buccaneer S.2? specifically, the Buccaneer S2 with RP-3 rockets loadout that oneshot pretty much anything if you park them on the roof of the tank you're shooting at, and a ballistic calculator to help you do that (day 3)
@@maschinenkanone108 I've been getting reasonably consistent 4-5 kills with them when I bring the thing out. the spread is a little iffy but I tend to send 2-3 rockets per tank anyway, you're more likely to get a hit
Its not even the engine power I take issue with because thats just how challengers are. Its the transmission. The way it works in game is completely broken compared to real life
Mobility one if not the most important aspect for modern tanks is sorely lacking for late game britan. Now if britain shared at least the best round or the best armour thogether with being really slow would make sence. Bit their armour is one of the worst just as the late game l27a1.
Its not as spritely as it was but its still very capable. The Stock gunner sight is really frustrating, lines are too thick and pretty much fully obscure the target when using the graticules. I still prefer the BK though. Maybe its just my playstyle, but I dont seem to suffer nearly as much running Brit toptier. I find German top tier much worse for some odd reason, especially considering the Leos are supposed to be so good... Skill issue... I know!
When you mentioned that Aviation and you don't mix well, I'm curious, are you more of a "strike fighter," 'attacker, or "fighter" pilot? I'm more of an strike fighter. I'll go attack bases and then come back to attach others, assuming my team isn't wasted within the first five minutes. This way I can be sneaky and get around the main battles and try to make it back alive. I'm better at this than dogfighting any day, unfortunately, but then again I use an actual flight control stick in RB, still working on maybe using it in SB.
I really liked the tkx and the f-5e vid, how about the 10.0 puma and the german mi-24 combo! The puma is so much fun to play with and the russian bias applies even to germany with the mi-24. I really hope to see u make a video out of them!
Didt you say at minute 3:00: If you Play British Tanks you should know by now that their sights are notoriously awful. At Minute 4:01 you Said: 2a6… right in his ammo… perfect. Im starting to like these sights too.
@@Fweddyy he was always using custom sights, not stock. When he said he was starting to like the sight he was referring to the custom sight he was using
@@colefrench5896im Not a War Thunder Veteran but i have 500 Hours in this game. At this point somebody should know what Custom sights are. Imma edit this real quick
Yea Chally 3 is pretty underwhelming, but one thing it has better than Leo2a6 is the gunner thermals, it would be bettee for the Germans to have good gunner thermals, but I mean really it should be 5s reload on Chally 3
It's getting boring with the way Gaijin keeps nerfing Britain into the ground -_______- hesh is shite -____- and now theyve derated the BHP of the challey 3 wtf -_____-
Iv put a report up to gaijin about the challenger 3 TD two months ago still nothing they’re not set properly to the aim so it blocks the long shot view all saying it’s crap Iv bounced so many shots with the challenger cheek armour
CR3 TD was never a good vehicle.Not compared to 2E. You trade somehow better firepower (not really a huge upgrade from what i played) for spall liner (survivability), blow out panels that can be penned via breech (it happens all the f*** time) and mobility (was allready worse than 2E.....And you are telling me its even worse now....eh).... Not worth it
No idea why Gaijin hates Britain, the TD was fine on release. They just got bored and hit that nerf button. Ntm the only chance we had to get a Leopard on the British tech tree was lost when they added the 2A4M to Germany. As if they needed another Leopard😅 gaijin sucks💩
yeah the russian loving devs are going through and nerfing all allied better forces. they started with american now the brits. thanks to the ukriane war we all now know just how bad russian armor is. the video dont lie when a bradley 25mm takes out a t-90m and one shot baby drones as well.
It’s a prototype vehicle, it doesn’t have most of what the actual production challenger 3s will have. Examples are: the complete lack of spall liners, worse armour than challenger 2s, etc which will hopefully be fixed when the production vehicle finally comes into game.
@@airsoftpopcornyeah it was, the issue is they should’ve just added the production vehicle as opposed to the technical demonstrator. The TD lacks so much compared to the production CR3s, it’s a bit of a joke gaijin added it.
@@airsoftpopcorn trophy APS, EPSOM and Farnham armour, 3rd generation hydro gas suspension, CV12 9A. It also lacks a lot of what the challengers 2 lack in game that they have irl, like regenerative steering and a faster turret traverse, aswell as full spalling protection and blowout panels. The TD is just a sad vehicle overall.
@@thatonelocalauthority2809 have any been built? Because it does not appear any have been built at this point. In which case gaijin was right to add the td
Supposed to be the technical demonstrator and it's nowhere near it. Just a load of shite from different sources and time periods half ass smashed together. RIP Britain constantly shit on 🤦
![[STOCK] Challenger 3 PAINFUL GRIND Experience 💀💀💀 The WORST tank in TOP TIER! (Modules Grind!)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Xve_Qk5dSec/mqdefault.jpg)
Now watch as Gaijin adds another Challenger 3 variant to the game, that comes without all the nerfs.
All signs point to chally 3 having actual hull armor td is just a prototype
@@rowanyuh6326 The actual Challenger 3 prototype has got brand new armour and the armour itself is thicker, you can see it on the hull and turret
The 3TD we have ingame is just a modified Challenger 2
Hopefully they dont add the really Chally 3 with the same armour as the Chally 2, that would be an absolute joke
Or Russia gets another T-90 variant or even the T-14 Armata.
@@liladoodle Yeah, the T-14 Armata is just a meme at this point.
£80 premium probably
worst part is IRL this thing isn't significantly slower than the others because of it's gear ratios and torque which Gaijin refuse to implement
that goes for all vehicles in the game... the only parameter that really matters in this game is power to weight ratio... torque, gear ratios are straight out of the window. The worst example of this is the french AMX10RC which IRL has a superb acceleration from 0 to it's max speed thanks to it's transmission and turbocharged engine. Not in WT though...
except it is. The Ukrainians have said as much. So have reliable youtubers like RedEffect
@@zeffy._440 redeffect……. Huh
@@Rguhbuh yes
@@zeffy._440 reliable... em ....
The nerf comes with no BR change,and was made through an unofficial official statment (IK that sounds confusing) Gaijin just really hates britan, prove me wrong. I dont understand why they would nerf a tank that doesnt even exist yet, IK it has a prototype and that is all made, but man come on.
ahh the french experience
But when ever a Russian tank/vehical is BROKEN (To good) it can takes them months to "fix" and they wonder why the community screeches Russian bias
Btw if you play on console the sights are even worse because you cant use custom sights and there is just a black bar of compressed range line things (i forgot what they're called) which blocks a lot of your aiming/ability to see lmao
Wish u can get the fancy stuff on console
I really want authentic sights for consoles. It wouldn't be hard to implement. I'd even pay ge for them 😂
Wdym custom sights etc?
@@aguy607 on PC you can download custom sight mods search it up, console players don't get access to this stuff (there's also sound mods and graphical mods)
That ka-50 was hugging trees and yet its blades seem intack, but when i touch the tip of a invisible tree with my chopper(usa) falls appart.😂😂😂
Ka-50 is just built different?🤣
Gaijin hates America. Just look at their K/D in higher tiers
That's just the game, some trees aren't modeled. You also get some ghost trees, some helipads have those.
Wish bloody trees actually provided cover.
imagine blaming the ka-50 on that lmao you people just sound brain dead at this point
Germany doesn't suffer Britain does.... The only reason Germany "suffers" is because of dumb teammates. Britain truly suffers because Gaijin just keeps nerfing Britian into the ground. I swear since all they're early tanks use ap instead of aphe they added volumetric just Britain would suffer even more bouncing shells.
Irl british tanks are shit
@@letankiste2340??? The challenger is a fucking monster MBT wdym lol
@@brunorodrigues5718🤷
Well the early tanks only use AP because that's what they used IRL it's like yapping about the L3/33 not having apfsds
The Brits and Germans have opposite problems. Brits have good players so statistics look good and Gaijin nerfs them into the ground, Germans have horrible players so statistics look bad and Gaijin buffs them a ton.
Its been 8 months since the report with photographic proof the Chally 2/3 have hull spall liners and gaijin still hasnt added them... no nice things for Britain
Which is sad, the U.S. not getting them I understand but Britain is just in cool.
Look at the bright side. The Russians got nerfed. There are so many one shot wonders when i play other nations they been losing more and more lol.
First the Stomer now the Challenger 3?! Like, Gaijin what the f**k, it's not called "one of the world's best tanks" for nothing! When are they gonna nerf a Russian tank instead for goodness sake. 💀
Edit: Give it a matter of time and they’ll nerf something else!
Edit 2: I started a war! 😅
The engine nerf to the chally 3 is fair. It never had the power gaijin gave it
@@Hunter-ww9rd yeah, but my issue is, that in this update every nation new mbt was better or comparable to the rest of their tanks. Britain is the only nation that got a tank that is significantly worse than other 11.7 challengers.
@mirekspodmonopolowego9016 what else should British get though?
@@mirekspodmonopolowego9016 the M1a2 SEP V2 is exactly the same as the previous abrams but slower and more vulnerable to HE. Britain isn’t the only nation that got a “worse” MBT since this gets much better pen than the previous challys and all it loses is some engine power.
You blind ahh thing they just nerfed all Russian top tiers to the ground. Do you not see the goddamn autoloader modeled?
Instead they should nerf all Leopard 2s with spall liner because a thin layer of materials won’t do shit against a 5kg dart flying at 2000 m/s ffs
"Ofc Only Russian MBTs can be good and dont have to aim for weak spots to kill most of everything"
Idk are they actually that broken.
Russian MBTs have literally worst round at top tier, WDYM?
@@Янус_Ыртthey don’t need the best round. As he said they don’t need to aim for weak spots. They go through all NATO armor easily only having minor issues on Abrams and Leopard 2s if the they’re being shoot at a really bad angle.
@@cuhyotepowered1201 Abrams and T-64/72/80/90 have same weakspots - mantlet, under the turret and LFP. Leopard 2 is way tankier and more survivable than both Abrams and T-Tanks. Also Abrams and Leopard have better mobility and gun depression, so what are you talking about?
@@Янус_Ырт Bvm by far has better mobility than any of those, low silhouette, ERA that acutally works and the only thing it lacks is reverse speed.
This tank is sad man. It’s easier to kill than other challengers. It loses the reload rate that made the others good. When you compare it to a 2a6, it falls short in every aspect besides a stronger hull which hardly matters. Stop at the 2E.
If leak lists can be trusted it took gaijin until they added Thailand in order to add another british light. Top tier could also benefit from an 8 wheeler like the badger or boxer. They should come eventually but knowing gaijin it'll take them another year at least.
I refuse to play it after the engine nerf, especially on the principal that it was fixed within a month of being reported on an unfinished vehicle.. Meanwhile we've got bug reports over 2 years old on other vehicles that would greatly improve them.. I'd sooner play the 10.3 line up where at least the challenger 1 is alot closer to its real life performance. F**k the challenger 3 and f**k gaijin for constantly ruining the challenger 2s.
NOOOO Gaijin you can't nerf my vaporwave that is supposed to enter service in 2027(it won't lol)
Actually Rheinmetall is ahead of schedule with the CR3, it will arrive on time if not earlier. The pre-production vehicles we're completed earlier this year.
@@BatteredWalrusnon-destructive turret testing was completed a few days ago
@@sentinelxcix2526 ah yeh saw that, good that we've got a program running smoothly for once
cough cough 2s38 cough cough
"NOOOO Gaijin you can't nerf my vaporwave" It's literally a Challenger 2 chassis with an upgraded engine, new larger turret, autoloader and 130mm Rh-130 L/51, not only do all of these things exist individually, but they've been put together in the real Chally 3 TD as well, nothing "vaporware" about it. It's specifically funny when people use the same argument to defend the 2S38, but of course, it's only valid for the 2S38, nothing else.
"supposed to enter service in 2027 (it won't lol)" Wait, hold on a minute. It's almost like, like... the purpose of a technology demonstrator (that's why it's called Challenger 3 TD) is to put new tech on an existing platform so that interested countries can pick what they like for future tanks. What's your next genius prediction? That the Abrams X won't enter service as presented either? Please don't tell me the EMBT-ADT won't enter service exactly as displayed in Eurosatory 2024 either, that would be horrible! We really have some intelligent folk out here.
But i digress. This is not a nerf, this is how it should've been since the beginning, the Caterpillar CV12 9A engine the Challenger 3 TD uses has always had 1200hp. I don't know why gaijin gave it 1500hp in the first place. The CV12 has existed for a long time, nothing vaporware about it either. The funny thing is that this engine (although a different variant) is also used on the Challenger 2, however Gaijin has always given Chally 2 models north of 1200hp from the get-go, beats me how they somehow messed it up when developing the Chally 3 TD. The only place where i can find the CV12 stating it has 1500hp is on a marketing flier by Perkins Engines (Parent company of Caterpillar Inc. and Caterpillar Uk Engines Company Limited), however it's stated that that's the peak unregulated power, which is not the power it would develop during normal operation. So i will take James Cartlidge's (former Minister for Defence Procurement of the UK and present Shadow Secretary of State for Defence) word when he says the CV12 9A has 1200hp.
The really dubious thing about this change, Justin, is that they used a source to justify the engine change that was specifically for the Challenger 3 Prototype, which is a different vehicle down the development cycle.
That is not dubious, if the only information we have on any challenger 3 engine is that the prototype did not have 1500 hp, then why would gaijin give the technical demonstrator a 1500 hp engine
@@airsoftpopcorn are you a fan of booker?
@@Ziflin who is booker?
@@airsoftpopcornit is dubious since there are plenty of articles, leaks etc for other vehicles in game that they don’t want you to implement, but choose to do it now?
@@airsoftpopcorn Because Gaijin has a standard of only accepting certain sources (usually primaries) to induce any changes, and I don’t think the source for the Prototype falls anywhere close to that category. Meanwhile the source is simply for a different vehicle. You can claim similarities all you want, but what you can’t do is say that the TD and the Prototype are the same vehicle, and you can’t actually tell me with any certainty whether they share all of the same internals. Gaijin’s standard (the one they make the community abide by) has consistently been certainty, and there is none here. Meanwhile I can provide you a perfectly appropriate reason as to why the Tech Demonstrator would have an uprated engine compared to the Prototype CR3: The TD’s primary goal was to display modernisations for the CR2 platform that could be implemented for the CR3. We know that there have been discussions and developments for years to uprate the CV12 to a 1500 HP standard. You cannot tell me it’s a stretch to state that the MoD may have decided a 1500HP engine wasn’t necessary and axed it from the upgrade budget to save on costs. That conjecture is about as plausible as Gaijin’s change, given the available (or lack there of) sources.
so one of the main things labelled as an upgrade on the challenger 3 was the engine upgrade and now they take that away from us to, and considering there is plenty of videos and personnel experience with the challenger 2 that is that it can drive at slower speeds and turn without just dying out and barely moving and while not the fastest tank out there it is definitely slower off the line than irl
Actually, no, not part of the CR3 program. The engine+transmission will be upgraded throughout the entire fleet of tanks (HAAIP), and the upgrades+transmission theoretically enable 1500hp. It's said that 1350hp **could** be done (again, not part of the CR3 program) without major cooling upgrades.
But the problem is that fundamentally, CR2 and CR3 are anaemic. And due to implementation, it's afaik worse in the game.
MOD website, under challenger-2-vehicles-upgrade-programme/ (idk if links are blocked), not entire sourcing, but should be enough.
@rot7296 links dont work, but on the british army site they talk about the challenger 3 being on time and talk about the upgrades which is an engine upgrade and a hygrogas suspension upgrade affording better mobility....... the challenger 2 upgrade program is seperate and is a smaller upgrade to the rest of the fleet but challenger 3 will have the upgrade from day 1.
The challenger 3 in the game the first tech demo and does not have these upgrades but it would be nice to have something that works seen as they scrwed up the rest.
@goodsoup6085 Yeah, I just took some offence with the "main things labelled as an upgrade on the CR3" claim. The LEP RBLS upsold them the CR3 for clearly focused on firepower+protection+soft factors, with a whole new turret - not the propulsion, although the CR3 will end up with slight improvements.
Don't know about the exact time frames, though. couldn't be arsed tbh.
@rot7296 I dont really mind the armour being off due to the way WT does armour and dosnt differciate composite armour really like whatever but when its mixed with it being more sluggish in game than it already is in real life its like a double punch.
I dont see how the cr3 tech demo can still be at 11.7 when its got worse armour now than the regular challenger 2 due to the mantlet and less spall liners and has the leopard gun and ammo that lower br tanks get that are also faster
🗣 ARMOUR PIERCING LOADED!!!!
if you want to destroy a challenger 3 TD easily, just shoot the right side of the breach... it'll go straight through, and into the ammo rack in the turret getting you an instant kill... - that and the breach is still the massive weak spot...
The challenger 2's have been done so dirty by gaijin... plenty of evidence and videos that they move faster than they do in game, and documentation that they are stronger than they are in game, but gaijin keep nerfing them, in disguise as "fixes" - they nerfed the engine based on a comment made on the adopted version of the Challenger 3 - this is the TD, which had the more powerful engine. the production one apparently doesn't, but gaijin do not care, they gave it the production engine even though it literally identified as the TD. they used word of mouth with no real evidence to make the change in the engine, as an excuse to nerf it aswell. WORD OF MOUTH. something that would NEVER be considered for any other nation.
The challenger 2's arn't bad tanks, but because so much information is classified about them, gaijin are allowed to make up whatever values they want for it; and as such, they basically just made them weak, underpowered, slow, lumbering, useless things on the battlefield when compared to the other "meta" vehicles.
At least no one can say there is a British bias. If anything, it just means playing British vehicles is just playing higher difficulty compared to you Yanks, Krauts & Ruskies.
Not only they nerfed the engine, they also nerfed the turret cheeks. It used to be able to stop Khrizanthema’s missile on the cheeks on release.
If you check on the armour viewer, the tank’s 3D render on the cheeks and the armour viewer does not align.
As a British main, all i can say is FUCK
now even with 12.0 the 3TD sucks so much that its sitting at 11.7 at the end of the tree xD
Shikanoko nokonoko koshitantan🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
The reason its got a 1200hp engine was because thats what the british MOD said in an adress. Saying something down the lines of Challenger 3 will eb equipped with a 1200hp engine, instead of the 1500hp engine, which sucks. If I did get something mixed up feel free to tell me
Glad you like the Chally 3 Justin, forgot to actually comment :P
Keep up the good work on the videos, always fun to watch ^^
Bruh the engine sound feel like its about to die any minute
Spooks mobile is absolutely hilarious
The black night is a better second spawn! The APS is really nice once the CAS starts to appear and you can see KA-50/52 wasting their missiles :D. first spawn its either the 2E or TD
Great video. Love the UK lineups. Just wish like everybody else Gaijin wouldn't dump on them so much.
I love how everyone agrees that the HSVTL is called the Spooksmobile now
@@Andrews_Sandy the man has made like 15 videos on it, so it only makes sense xP
And now the black night and 2E is 12.0 while the 3 is 11.7! Maybe when the Chally 3 comes out properly it will get APS etc
Did you know the Rooivalk is better than the apache in real life which would make some americans scream because it was built 20 years before the apache 😂
You pulled that out of your ass.
South Africa is actually goated when it comes to arms development.
@@rickfastly2671 Yea but our economy is fkd so in the apartheid era we were the only country to self produce all our military equipment
@@Goeloes riperonies, also is their any unrest
@@GoeloesWe may need to cope about the Apache, but you only have power for select parts of the day.
Justin? It's a bit of a weird request, but could you try out the VFM5 and the Buccaneer S.2? specifically, the Buccaneer S2 with RP-3 rockets loadout that oneshot pretty much anything if you park them on the roof of the tank you're shooting at, and a ballistic calculator to help you do that
(day 3)
well many tanks have rockets that oneshot
@@cl3matis parking them on roofs sounds unlikely, last I checked the spread on them is quite bad.
@@maschinenkanone108 I've been getting reasonably consistent 4-5 kills with them when I bring the thing out. the spread is a little iffy but I tend to send 2-3 rockets per tank anyway, you're more likely to get a hit
@@cl3matis might have to give it another go then, if I can bear the 9.3 suffering that is.
@@maschinenkanone108now it isnt suffering anymore
They can nerf the tanks, they can’t nerf British mains.
Its not even the engine power I take issue with because thats just how challengers are. Its the transmission. The way it works in game is completely broken compared to real life
Mobility one if not the most important aspect for modern tanks is sorely lacking for late game britan.
Now if britain shared at least the best round or the best armour thogether with being really slow would make sence. Bit their armour is one of the worst just as the late game l27a1.
So now the Chally 3 production vehicle are…well on the way, when can we expect to get it
2027
@@avidacorounia1696 ah…and only 140 of them, that stupid Pearsons still has the tooling to make new hull so?
Could I request some action in the OF-40?
I really love the OF-40, such an underrated vehicle.
Its not as spritely as it was but its still very capable. The Stock gunner sight is really frustrating, lines are too thick and pretty much fully obscure the target when using the graticules. I still prefer the BK though. Maybe its just my playstyle, but I dont seem to suffer nearly as much running Brit toptier. I find German top tier much worse for some odd reason, especially considering the Leos are supposed to be so good... Skill issue... I know!
@JustinPlaysTV how do i find this sight? i need it for my challengers xD
And for some reason the 2s38 can pin the front armor of the leo2a4 but gaijin still think it not broken 💵💵💵😒
The 2s38 is just stupid, it is the same br as the stev 9040c, but is better in every way
*strv
@@airsoftpopcornstrf*
@@nicholas_x7732 dang, i misspelled it twice
@@airsoftpopcorn no worries. Lol
That A-10 kill was legit!
When you mentioned that Aviation and you don't mix well, I'm curious, are you more of a "strike fighter," 'attacker, or "fighter" pilot? I'm more of an strike fighter. I'll go attack bases and then come back to attach others, assuming my team isn't wasted within the first five minutes. This way I can be sneaky and get around the main battles and try to make it back alive. I'm better at this than dogfighting any day, unfortunately, but then again I use an actual flight control stick in RB, still working on maybe using it in SB.
I love the donut of death sights if you dont have them on previous tanks.
Feel like they should do a remake on how tanks get ammunition hit or just how it gets destroyed
1200 hp doesn’t bother me at all, I don’t know why everyone hates it
I really liked the tkx and the f-5e vid, how about the 10.0 puma and the german mi-24 combo! The puma is so much fun to play with and the russian bias applies even to germany with the mi-24. I really hope to see u make a video out of them!
I’m waiting on another merkava video also I want them to add a merkava mk 5 also love the videos
Britain has Bad sights custom sights😡 1 Minute later: I Like these sights🤓☝️
@@Fweddyy I was using a custom sight, not the stock ones..
Wat
Didt you say at minute 3:00: If you Play British Tanks you should know by now that their sights are notoriously awful. At Minute 4:01 you Said: 2a6… right in his ammo… perfect. Im starting to like these sights too.
@@Fweddyy he was always using custom sights, not stock. When he said he was starting to like the sight he was referring to the custom sight he was using
@@colefrench5896im Not a War Thunder Veteran but i have 500 Hours in this game. At this point somebody should know what Custom sights are. Imma edit this real quick
what sight is that Justin?
The 3 TD wasn't better than the 2E or 2BN even before the engine nerf, it sacrificed all the perks of those 2 tanks for 88mm more pen
530m/s hellfires make my T129's "not hellfires" UMTAS 180m/s look very jealous.
Maybe a merkava mk4m and barak2 combo?🙏
Yea Chally 3 is pretty underwhelming, but one thing it has better than Leo2a6 is the gunner thermals, it would be bettee for the Germans to have good gunner thermals, but I mean really it should be 5s reload on Chally 3
Nasty a10 clip 8:18
The ICU trinity of war thunder: UK, China, Israel.
Justin can you play the Begleitpazer 57? I wanna see what it can do in 2024.
It sucks because the chally is the best looking tank
8:04 that is the opposite of what is supposed to happen
I'm convinced the snail just hates britian
No they hate everything that isn't Soviet or Russian because they never put a single nerf on any Russian and Soviet MBTs
they hate british, franch and italian mbts for some reason
It's getting boring with the way Gaijin keeps nerfing Britain into the ground -_______- hesh is shite -____- and now theyve derated the BHP of the challey 3 wtf -_____-
Still waiting for new gunners sight, which they promised a year ago...
@davidwass8366 gaijin truly hate Britain as much as our government do 😂😂😂😂
Thought I just misremembered the challenger TD having 1500 HP.
God forbid Britain gets something good
I mean, it's british, they invented the tank and then decided to suck at it.
Russian main spotted 😂
@@thatonelocalauthority2809 not really, playing more france and sweden in recent years. Doesn't change the fact brit tsnks are bad.
@@Tentacl Britain has produced some of the best tank designs ever, and as you mention, they made the thing. I don’t think they’d be bad at it.
Probably as Challenger 2s are hitting Kursk
When’s the T-90 going to be nerfed to be relativistically more accurate v western tanks
I ban cargo port, is what I think of that map variant.
8:14 well yeah they can't afford to make that faction look weak
Iv put a report up to gaijin about the challenger 3 TD two months ago still nothing they’re not set properly to the aim so it blocks the long shot view all saying it’s crap Iv bounced so many shots with the challenger cheek armour
Why did they make the challenger 3 1200 hp when it has 1500 hp
Gaijin is like the president of the US. They don't know what the **** they're doing.
Funny how despite all these nerfs. British player stand strong vs abrams enjoyers...
completely undeserved
If going "historical" then the Challegers need to be faster off road and up hill,
Already 200k through the F-14 event. Thank god for sim and Chinese bots
Yaaaaaaaay more nerfs because they don't have the balls to let us be good
can you send me your control setting for war thunder plz ??
Can you really say you’re surprised at this point?
CR3 TD was never a good vehicle.Not compared to 2E. You trade somehow better firepower (not really a huge upgrade from what i played) for spall liner (survivability), blow out panels that can be penned via breech (it happens all the f*** time) and mobility (was allready worse than 2E.....And you are telling me its even worse now....eh).... Not worth it
Is it bad the only reason i play top tier britain is for the guns and the rounds? 😂
Too bad the armour profile on the challenger isn't accurate
What is the sight used in the video?
A custom one I had given to me, so I'm not sure where to find it
@@JustinPlaysTV can you upload it somewhere? the standard sights are terrible
@@JustinPlaysTV Please Justin, upload that Sight, it is everything I am looking for currently.
Russia's win rate must have been dropping towards 70%
the smaller maps are terrible
Oh…my friend’s not gonna like this news
No idea why Gaijin hates Britain, the TD was fine on release. They just got bored and hit that nerf button. Ntm the only chance we had to get a Leopard on the British tech tree was lost when they added the 2A4M to Germany. As if they needed another Leopard😅 gaijin sucks💩
Gaijin doesn’t care about realism, they make everything Russian better than it really is, and everything else worse than what it really is.
The Challenger 2 OES is the only Premium i regret buying. Hate these slow, big and fragile awful shits.
I’d take the Chally DS to 11.7 over these chumps any day
Even better: A-13 Mk2
What sight is he using?
i need to know to xD
yeah the russian loving devs are going through and nerfing all allied better forces. they started with american now the brits. thanks to the ukriane war we all now know just how bad russian armor is. the video dont lie when a bradley 25mm takes out a t-90m and one shot baby drones as well.
Why does your recording look like a camera filming the screen? Looks proper weird
Why don't you play with a squad?
one of the reasons i stopped playing britain, top tier
Pls make a swedish 11.7 video
Bro probably got nerfed cause of brexit 😂
It’s a prototype vehicle, it doesn’t have most of what the actual production challenger 3s will have. Examples are: the complete lack of spall liners, worse armour than challenger 2s, etc which will hopefully be fixed when the production vehicle finally comes into game.
@@thatonelocalauthority2809 you litterally explaining something to a guy just making a joke? wtf
i think nothing in war thunder is accurate.
The engine change was accurate though
@@airsoftpopcornyeah it was, the issue is they should’ve just added the production vehicle as opposed to the technical demonstrator. The TD lacks so much compared to the production CR3s, it’s a bit of a joke gaijin added it.
@@thatonelocalauthority2809 what does it lack compared to the production version?
@@airsoftpopcorn trophy APS, EPSOM and Farnham armour, 3rd generation hydro gas suspension, CV12 9A.
It also lacks a lot of what the challengers 2 lack in game that they have irl, like regenerative steering and a faster turret traverse, aswell as full spalling protection and blowout panels. The TD is just a sad vehicle overall.
@@thatonelocalauthority2809 have any been built? Because it does not appear any have been built at this point. In which case gaijin was right to add the td
Supposed to be the technical demonstrator and it's nowhere near it. Just a load of shite from different sources and time periods half ass smashed together. RIP Britain constantly shit on 🤦
What do you mean? There is barely any information about the technical demonstrator. So gaijin used information about the other challenger 3 variants.
@@airsoftpopcorn there's loads on the web from RBSL, on DB, on CAT go read there websites. Go check out the post where it was a DVD
18:45 average 2S38 bot player
timing is a bit weird tough. as Russian right people blame london from the Ukrainian invasion. could be coincident