What if the Titanic struck the iceberg on the port side?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video we discuss what might of happened to the Titanic if she would of struck the iceberg on the port side instead of starboard.
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*Who else wishes they could see the simulations of the different ways the titanic couldve sunk?* 🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️
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@Conner Linto True , but atleast you dont have to worry about , drowning , freezing , etc.
When I saw the video title my mind was already jumping to "oh no, the coal bunker fire!"
Thanks for making such informative and entertaining videos!
At 4:35 there's a picture of the titanic with the grim reaper as a siluate in the sky... I've never noticed this edit before.. and I highly doubt Sam put it there...? I wonder if he's noticed it??
Yep I saw it, this is one the early painting by maritime artist Ken Marshall. I wondered how many other ppl would notice it. If you arnt paying close attention it’s easy to overlook.
I believe Ken Marshall referred to that as a grim spectre of death looming over the Titanic.
I saw it too, and pointed it out to my husband,
@@HistoricTravels how cool is that!? Thanks Sam!!
sinister asf lol
Here are two interrelated questions assuming all other facts remained the same. 1. How much sooner would the crew have needed to spot the iceberg to have been able to avoid hitting it? 2. How much slower would the Titanic have had to be traveling for the crew to have avoided hitting the iceberg if they had spotted it when they did?
ooh got another one for ya. With First officer Murdoch knowing about the extra coal did he call for a left turn hoping the extra weight would make the ship turn faster? or did it turn slower causing the damage Titanic actually took?
@@Snipez4104 I think he did that to keep the propellers from hitting the berg
They did not get struck by a rouge berg they were in an ice field they were gona hit something at that speed. The survivors said they couldn't believe the sight of ice all around as the dawn broke.
This just shows that just minorly changing something about the sinking could make a huge domino affect
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Hitting the berg on the other side of the ship wouldnt have been a minor change though thats a pretty major change...
I don't personally think it would have taken place (Titanic capsizing), as:
1. The heavy port list was more due to the D deck gangway door and the flooding of the associated big hall. Had the coal been enough to capsize it to port, it would have had when the water flooded D deck.
2. The bulkheads of the Titanic allow roughly even flooding to take place, with any listing kept to a minimum. Due to this, when the water would reach above the bulkheads, the tilt would be minimum.
3. If we look at the sinking of her sister Britannic, she had a huge hole instead of damaged rivets. Despite this it did not develop a list till later in the sinking. Her starboard list was due to the portholes. While the E deck portholes were open on both sides, the ship was moving to starboard which tilted the ship a bit, thereby allowing greater water influx from the starboard side and ultimately taking over.
Long story short, it is very unlikely for Titanic to capsize. In fact, she was made in a way to prevent capsizing, as it omitted the bulkhead arrangement like that in Lusitania. The explanation given by White Star was based on this premise as well, when enquired about the design of the bulkheads.
Wouldn't the iceberg prop the ship up?
I think you're right, however Scotland Road/the gang way door would have been Titanics version of Britannic's open portholes, and caused the ship to gradually develop a severe port list until she eventually would roll on her side, but not go completely keel up
@@jaredpatterson1701 No, because like the actual events, the ship, even with engines stopped or in reverse it would take a few minutes and a quarter mile to come to a complete stop. So the iceberg would be way behind them.
Why end so soon I NEED MORE
I consider myself something of an amateur Titanic-o-phile, and I admit this is a scenario I never even thought of. Yes, I can definitely see that striking on the other side would have been an even bigger disaster. Well done!
Titanic o phile sounds nasty, dirty. Please dont call us that. We like ships not lil kids
Young man you are absolutely doing great. You keep it up and you're going to be rich and quite famous. I love your videos and when I say that I don't say that very lightly because I've seen every documentary every movie everything about the Titanic and yet you find more information that's awesome. Anyways keep up the good work young man you deserve to be rich and famous
The capsize would happen very fast. The list would start quite slowly but progress faster and faster as the ship was taking on water, to come to an eventual moment where the balance of water would just make the ship capsize in mere seconds.
Great video as usual!
Can you do "what if the US funded its rail infrastructure in a way that meant Amtrak trains didn't get stuck for endless hours in Florence, SC?" as part of this series? 😉
I can’t get enough of these Titanic videos! It’s always been my favorite shipwreck to learn about, ever since I first heard about it back in my elementary school days. It’s a very sad story, but yet it’s a story that constantly intrigues me. You’ve got the biggest ship in the world at the time, along with all of these different classes of people and all it took was an iceberg to take her down, along with all those poor people. Thank you for all these videos!
Let him do whatever he wants to do
I'm guessing they wouldn't of even had much time to assess the situation before realizing that they were totally screwed. They might not have even had enough time to send out any distress signals or launch any lifeboats. If that was the case, we'd probably would have never known what even happened to the ship let alone be able to locate it eventually. It would have been one of those 'it mysteriously vanished' stories
True. It would have been like one of those flight got disappeared incidents except that the loss of life count would be much much higher. And the worst part is, you cannot find the ship at all!. Even with almost accurate location it took about 70 years to find it. Imagine if there is no location at all!. Its just lost for ever. Even now my heart pains to see those underwater clips and to think that its just there but we cant do anything about it but just let it erode away year by year :( and some day there wont be anything left of it :(. Many people have said that its a lost purpose to try to lift the titanic underwater and some of the survivors of the titanic have asked not to disturb it because its like a graveyard for the lost souls. True, but still it pains.
I would say the crew on Titanic handled the situation at their best and set high standards for ever.
Really interesting, how the fact of the coal fire had almost the complete opposite consequences than the conspiracy around it suggests.
I completely agree with you, Sam - I think, given the coal situation, and Scotland Road, that if the Titanic had struck the iceberg on the port side, she wouldn't have lasted even an hour. I also agree with you that, as bad as it was, it could have been so much worse. For everything that went wrong on that night, a lot of things went right enough, to save those 712 people.
I’ve been following all of your Titanic videos and have been loving them. I do have a question for you though. Because of her sinking, what practices came from it, from making sure there were enough life boats, to evacuation practices, to lookout issues, to whatever else caused the sinking?
24/7 Marconi operation
And the ice patrol. Started doing it with boats, but nowadays done with aircraft. (Jan Griffiths).
The American board of trade also made it a requirement to have enough life boats for every person on board
Adore the fact that he explains everything before the actual question makes it so easy to understand
I've been watching you all week at work and have LOVED the content! I've just subscribed and hopefully taken you closer to 40k. Thanks for all the great vids!
I really enjoy watching your videos, you always give a different perspective and it’s informative. Thanks for your time in making the videos from a happy subscriber.
I’ve got this burning question about the watertight compartments. If the titanic had transverse bulkheads across the top of the compartments, would that have been enough to prevent the ship from sinking since the water can no longer flow over the top of the compartments? Or would six rooms flooded still be too much buoyancy lost to stay afloat?
It would still sink as it was only able to hold four, maybe if the damage ratio was spread out maybe but who knows
@@poptartwarriors9369 the thing is more recently I’ve been told that the reason she couldn’t handle more than four flooded compartments was because at that point she would be low enough in the water to allow water to spill over the top of the bulkheads. So I’m curious if Titanic could have survived losing that much buoyancy if water spilling over the bulkheads wasn’t a factor to consider
@@vequiera well, after losing four bulkheads, her bow would have probably been almost at the water line, so the water might have been able to flood in through any openings in the ship.
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Wow. Great video. This idea changes everything. Heck, this would probably cause the Titanic to end going down like the S.S. Poseidon.
Or like Britannic. She would've rolled over and just sank.
@@johnny_tard Yep.
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What if Titanic had a big headlight? Would they have seen the iceberg sooner?
I dunno, but they sure as hell should have gotten the attention of the Californian!
During the inquiry, Lightoller stated while lights are on some military ships, in general they just mess up the eyesight of anyone on lookout because the extra light makes it hard to adjust to dark.
Really enjoying these thought provoking topics🚢
ID just like to take a quick moment to THANK YOU Sam! Because these vids are GREAT! Your work is awesome!
I appreciate that!
I can still remember Mr Andrews responding to Captain Smith who asked him how long they had, and he said:"I'd give it an hour, maybe two.Not much more. " I think that was in Titanic:Death of a Dream.
Ace work as always Sam.
You're awesome Sam! Loving all of these hypothetical scenarios that you put out. Keep it up!
Crazy to think that a different impact based on side would have that much difference on the outcome. After seeing this video and his other video about the coal fire and why the list happened the way it did, it all makes sense. Excellent work Sam!!👍
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Considering the ship was already listing to port, the initial flooding would have caused a very significant list to port. Enough of a list would have caused her to capsize once the waterline reached high enough.
Even if she didn't capsize, the heavy list would have made it pretty much impossible to launch any of the lifeboats.
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On the other hand, if Titanic hit the iceberg on the port side, Lightoller probably wouldn't have ordered the port side door opened due to the developing list, meaning the water throughput would be limited by the openings made by the iceberg only.
Darn, missed the premiere by minutes! Looking forward to this one!!
Your videos never cease to amaze and fascinate me. Thank you for taking the time and care to make these "what if" videos, it's hard to imagine that they were fortunate in any way that night, but you certainly make a compelling point. Thanks for sharing, Sam. Can't wait to see your next video. ✌️😎
Wow, in all these years I've never considered this hypothetical. Great information. Thank you very much!
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!
Nice video !
What if the Britannic has ripped an iceberg like the Titanic did ?
Britannic (and Olympic post-refit) would likely have survived. By design, they would have been able to stay afloat with the forward 6 compartments flooded.
Absolutely loving this channel man, definitely dig into more of these what if scenarios. Beyond just exploring what could have been, it also really delves into what DID happen and forces facts to the forefront.
Great content as always! Still hoping for a video on the disaster of the riverboat Sultana sometime soon!
love the detailed model of the Titanic
I always leave a LIKE Sam😁👍 Another really interesting video
Very informative! Never disappointed with your videos! Keep up the good work! 👏🏻
I'm curious as to what would have happened had Lightholler not left the port side door open. Would the ship have stayed afloat even longer?
Yes, indeed. How much longer? I don't know how to calculate it, I can only guess. Let's say half an hour longer afloat. It wouldn't have save more people.
yes, i calculated it a few months ago and i guess it would at maximum stayed afloat until 2.50 A.M. at most.
@@TheTarget1980 I think that would make a good topic for this channel. I'd love to hear more about your calcs.
@@alainrobillard4300 half an hour would've been enough to properly launch Collapsible A. The survival rate amongst those on that boat would've likely been much higher.
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On your way to 50k! I’m proud of you. Been watching you since you had just a hundred! Keep up!
Love your “What if” videos! It would be interesting to see a “What if” video on what would have happened if the Titanic had hit the right side of the iceberg instead of the left? Would the Titanic have scraped against the hull the same way, hit it straight on, or avoided it all together? Keep up the great videos!
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So happy when I got a notification! You and your sister are awesome!
If Titanic had listed further, some of the funnels could have collapsed. Which would not only kill people, it probably also would have disabled the wireless antenna.
Sam, you're unbelievable! I always wonder how the present ships would sink if they struck the iceberg. How much time people would have? Is there any way to prevent ship by listing to any side at building/constructing them ?
A video like that would've been awesome! Have a great day, Sam! Greetings from Poland!
I know that you probably don't have time for this, but my great grandpa was actually supposed to be on Titanic. He was originally from Ireland and had been living in the U.S. for quite awhile. He had to go back to take care of some personal business and made the trip back on the Olympic. He was booked to return on the Titanic. BUT the night before departure he went out drinking and was passed out when Titanic set sail so he missed the ship. My great grandpa's drinking is actually the reason that I exist today!
As always, thanks for these videos Sam, they are very well done. This is why I feel that there is a God because there's no way that these things which helped the Titanic last longer could happen just by chance.
Here are some ideas for future 'What if Titanic' videos:
1. What if the crew had enough time to get Collapsibles A and B down and lower them into the water? Everything else prior would be the same and Boat A landed upright, Boat B landed upside down, but Titanic sank at 2:30am instead of 2:20, or the lifeboat launching sequence happened slightly faster and by 2:10am both lifeboats were away (Boat B just got away). The video could also include who quite possibly would have been in those lifeboats.
2. Everything that happened the night the Titanic sank is the same, but the temperature at the time the Titanic sank is +4 degrees Celsius or slightly warmer than that?
3. What if the watertight bulkheads went up to B-deck like on the Olympic and Britannic after the sinking -- how much longer would Titanic have remained afloat, or would that have mattered.
Here's a question that you could do a video on, Why didn't the Britannic break in two when she went down?
Cheers.
Josh.
Sam I love your coverages of these videos its very educational
So, what I'm hearing is, it was pure dumb luck that Murdoch ordered the ship to turn to starboard and present the side of the ship that would offer the most resistance to sinking? It could quite easily have been a loss of all life if not for that decision.
I'd like to think that Murdoch did know that the ship was vulnerable to sinking on her port side, but somehow I doubt it and think he chose the tiller command based upon what he thought would give the ship the best shot at clearing the iceberg.
So basically after the ship hit the iceberg, it had the weight of the engines weighing it down in the back, water weighing it down in the front, and tons of coal weighing it down towards one of its sides. It is a wonder with this ship being pulled in so many different directions at once, that all it did was break in half and not start pulling apart in different areas as well.
Love the channel & video idea what if Titanic lasted longer than she actually did say about 30 minutes- an hour longer
But this also isn't taking into account that the iceberg isn't symmetrical and the steel on the port side wasn't as compromised as the starboard side was due to the fire. The damage would be different as it is, and it may have been survivable as well if there at all.
4:52 great painting
Your explanation on this was very good, but I mean wouldn't it still have the same effect as it did on the starboard side because I think the layers at the bottom of the ship were even so if the iceberg had hit the port side the same amount of water would enter the port side as it did with the starboard side but in an alternate scenario depending on where the hull the port side of the ship hit the iceberg, also depends on how much damage is done and overall depends on if the ship will sink or not.
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I’m new sub and I really love ur vids keep up the good work
Your Titanic videos especially G what if parts is really cool. I mean your young man your teaching history you have a good TH-cam channel and I see really good things for you in the future. My daughter completely loves watching videos because she likes to learn. A b honor roll every year since she's been in school. She did not get it from me. Okay good video young man keep it up
Thanks man! One big thing I try to do with my channel is make my videos in a way that everyone can enjoy them. A lot of kids love to learn about Titanic but many youtube channels talk about things that are a bit to rough for kids to watch, if you know what I mean. So when I make my videos I do my best to try and keep it as family friendly as possible, so everyone can enjoy learning about these events from history.
What about the metal from the 🔥, which was at full strength on that side. 🤔
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This, especially this.
I was wondering the same. 🤔
Very interesting video either way. Loove to watch them!
I really like your ship models
Absolutely fascinating.
Love these what if videos. Please do one on what if the iceberg never happened. I think it would be amazing to see things like when they would of made port, coal consumsion for the madden voyage, how would the coal strike in the UK affect getting coal in America for the return trip, planned turn around time in port, and the planned next voyage. Things like that.
What if they moved the coal to the back of the ship. Would the weight in the back of lifted the front out of the water. And slow down the sinking?
Before watching the video, a wild guessing: In real history, the water coming from the Mail Room and Cargo Room areas on starboard side changed sides and then flooded the port side by invading the wide Scotland Road. If the iceberg hitted Titanic on the port side instead, the wide Scotland Road would have contributed to a quicker flooding and a stronger list to port, maybe even leading to a capsize, which would have made loading the lifeboats much more difficult, especially on Murdoch's starboard side. I assume that in the end, the outcome would have been even worse.
One more thing to consider that could make your situation worse is that with the port side list, if the iceberg had struck on that side the ship, it would have essentially been leaning into the impact which may have actually led to even more substantial damage from the initial hit than what it took in the actual scenario, meaning it could have taken on water at an even faster rate.
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Interesting great video as always
Hey man videos are great! Would love to hear about some more ship wrecks. Super informative and interesting videos dude!
So now I wonder what effect the 300 tons of relocated coal had on the Titanic's ability to steer, and how that would have affected the crew's last-second attempt to swing around and dodge the iceberg.
Thank you for making a video for my suggestion!
Well said and well done. Thank you my young friend. Like 🙂🙂
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I have thought about another what if scenario about the Titanic. It is a what if scenario about the breakup. In real time, the Titanic broke in two from the boat deck to the double bottom.
-- What if the Titanic broke up backwards? What if the Titanic broke in two into a V shape from the bottom up?
I think it might be interesting to think about how the rescue efforts might have changed as well. It took nearly an hour to even begin sending calls for help. Passengers and crew didn’t know or believe it was sinking for a long time. If the ship begins sinking quickly on the port side they definitely lose time but you can bet the passengers and all crew jump into action quicker.
Great video again Sam! I hadn't thought about that?🤔
This is a good theory, I like to think about this now, it is eventful & cool.
What if titanic had reversed into the iceberg in an attempt to counterflood the vessal? (Damaging 1-2 rear watertight compartments to counteract the front 5-6 flooded compartments)
It would have sunk quicker
He said reverse, going forward will make it sink faster
Damaging another 2 watertight compartments would also make it sink faster
this has to be a joke lol.
The reason the titanic sunk is that the front of the ship was continuing to be drug down which kept exposing more compartments to sea water. Flooding a compartment or two on the rear could theoretically have kept the ship close enough to level to keep the ship’s middle compartments from being flooded.
Enjoy your videos you are easy to listen to and explain details so well. Can you look into submarine sinkings into the future as well with your take on them. Keep up the great work and i see many more subscripers coming onboard.
Great topic!
Question, if it had capsized, would it take longer time for titanic to sink? Like in the movie Poseidon when the boat is flipped.
Thank you Sam for another interesting video. I like how you thank your new subscribers in the beginning but you’re talking so fast. Perhaps you could slow it down a little.
So basically, the port side stern being hit would be the ultimate worst combination
And the starboard bow with topped watertights [no Scotland Road] would be the best...outside of never hitting the iceberg anyway.
Oh, hardly. The damage could've continued down the entire side of the ship had the port around maneuver not been done or the rudder not turned quickly enough to start it in time. Then the ship sinks in a matter of minutes, not hours after the collision.
Nice video sir .
Like the vids, very entertaining.
I can’t remember, have you done a video on what if the Titanic hit with the rear of ship as it steered around the iceberg? Like if it damaged the exact same place but on the rear.
Yes he did! It wouldn't have gone well.
Mr Andrews 1.5 hour calculation was based on evenly distributed coal bunkers. They got two hours 40 minutes from the extra 300 tons on the port side. I'm wondering if the modeling would show an hour or less to sink the ship given the coal movement.
I believe early models that didn't account for the coal showed around 1.5 hours and a capsize. That would have to be the maximum time, but it would be massively accelerated due to the coal.
Hey Sam just watched your vid on Titanic striking on the port side and I was just thinking. If she already had a list to the port due to the coal being shifted to that side. It may have been only 3 degrees or so but that would have had the water reaching Scotland Road much much sooner. then take into account Murdock opening the gang plank door thats a heck of a lot of water.
Great video, you explain it all so well 👍
If it hit on the port side it would do less damage since the starboard side had a fire making the starboard side weaker
Also, remember that the burned coal was moved to the other side of Titanic causing a slight list