I have just purchased the Silvia Pro, if only I knew how loud the pump on the steam boiler was I wouldn’t have purchased. No way you can store cup on to as it rattles so much and it wakes up every one in the house in the morning. My old rancilio Silvia was perfect and half as loud
It’s true. I had the same issue and was considering selling it. Bizarre oversight on Rancilio’s part. I ended up replacing the Ulka ep5 pump with an Ulka ep4 pump (one each for steam and brew boiler) which added extra cost and wasted time. Nevertheless, the difference in noise is night and day, and now I feel like keeping the machine. Would I buy it again? No.
I haven’t used any of those machines but from the review I watched , the Rancilio seems to have a more robust built. On the other had, the Breville seems to have more features to play with. Yet, in the end, the goal is to have a great espresso to drink, and eventually a machine that will last long. I just feel that the Rancilio will last longer. I am curious to read what experienced users have used and prefer over time.
I have the BDB and the hot water feature stopped working, so Breville paid for it to get shipped back and looked at. Customer service has been fine so far, not sure when I'll get it back as it just arrived at their facility in Illinois. Tempted to buy something else though but its been a good machine.
On the BDB I don't steam that long before it gets too hot to hold, but I'm also not using the stock pitcher. Mine is a bit thinner so maybe I should be leaving it a bit longer.
You seem to imply that the steam boiler does not come on automatically. This is not my experience. When my machine is turned on in the morning, my steam boiler automatically heats up if it was on when the machine was turned off. The boiler comes on if it was on when the machine was turned off and off if it was off when the machine was turned off. Finally, the mechanical control of the Silvia pro make it compatible with any wifi enabled smart plugs, allowing for a much better timer and remote control. The amount of water that ends up in the tray is significantly lower than that of the normal Silvia, making the size of the tray a lot less important. With both boilers on all the time there is no issue of keeping the temperature up and the temperature accuracy of the Silvia Pro is incredible.
Love the new studio! I’ve owned my Breville Infuser and Smart Grinder Pro for about 2 years now (off your recommendation, of course) and not at all ready to upgrade. But when I am the double boiler is absolutely on my radar. I really appreciate the thought and ingenuity they put into their machines, making espresso simpler for everyone. Great video, SCG!
@@razineatworld The dually is their top of the range. I had the 'Bambino'. Cleaned and pampered like a baby, it still shat the bed after 7 months. Was fine for 6.5 months, then kept asking to be cleaned and ignored that it just had, then random button flashing, then leaked. I live on an island and the cost of posting the thing back, plus having to pay for return postage, meant it wasn't worth messing with. I got a Rancillio Silva Pro instead, which I'm quite happy with. My Breville Smartgrinder Pro still works fine, but cannot grind fine enough for the Silvia. At it's finest setting my Silvia just goes "Phft!" in about 6-8 seconds at 14g, so I got a Mignon Specialita. Tell you what also still works, my old Delonghi Dedica. That's still fine. :)
Breville is the best dual boiler for the money, but you will never make the volumetric option to work correct! The machine is not smart enough....so the volume is always off from what is adjusted.
Nice video as always! If you want to speed up the steaming on the Breville, don't forget you can change the temperature of the steam boiler and it does make it quite a bit more powerful (if you want it to be). Also, the electrically-heated grouphead helps keep the shot temp consistent. Just my 2 cents and 2 features I find very cool.
Something to consider when looking at these two machines is how happy you will be with them long term. There are a lot of comments in here about how long the Silvia will last. I'm sure that is very true. A question that should follow is will you be happy with the Silvia pro for years? If you are looking at a $2000 espresso machine you are likely an enthusiast. Are you going to be satisfied with the lack of features on the Silvia? For close to $1000 cheaper the BDB offers much more adjustability and the ability to really explore the espresso making experience. Will it last 4 years? Maybe not. I have had the BDB for a little over two years and have had a couple problems with it. I have had to rebuild the steam valve twice. I am well aware of the fact that my machine will likely not last another two years. When it goes I will be looking at the Lelit Bianca as an upgrade. If you buy the BDB as an entry level DB machine and accept it for what it is then you will have an extra $1000 to put towards a much better machine when you decide you want one.
Since I'm here replying to someone I'll answer that... I got the Silvia Pro and yes, quite happy with the lack of.. whatever else. I can honestly say I have no interest in any other machine now. It reminds me of my Garmin 5X watch; I went from being interested in watches to just walking past watch shops with zero interest. Today I'm interested in beans, their origin, drying process and roast level. The machine is a given; I have a dual boiler built like a tank, so why should I think about the machine?
Right now, the Silvia Pro X is $1870 and the Breville Dual Boiler is $1,600 - so $270 difference, not $1,000. Breville has taken some crazy pricing over the past two-years
I am interested in the Silvia pro x. I currently have a Delongi dedica and have got that for 6 years and still working well. So I want a machine with a few more features and solid to last for a few years. Would I be satisfied with it after 20 years? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t like to have to replace a coffee machine after 5 years. As for the features on offer it reminds me photography. We learned so much in the school of photography i attended using a Nikon FM2 totally manual and just a normal lens on. Less is more as they say and perhaps Silvia is just enough for me (except the narrow tray).
@@GadgetsGearCoffee At around $4000 the Lelit Bianca V2 is four times the price of the BDB ($999) here in Australia. So the Breville is exceptional value
@@andrewlucan9017 The Dual boiler is a great deal in Australia. The irony is that Italian machines are way more expensive than they are in Europe and Sage/Breville are much more expensive in Europe. Having said that, the Letit Bianca is almost twice the price of the BDB in the UK.
The internal build quality and material used in both the machines are what really make the difference. The plastic components in the Dual Boilers especially at the group head assembly starts deteriorating and showing bubbling/flaking issue after a year plus of usage, not to mention the copper and stainless steel tubing in the Rancilio vs plastic tubing in the Dual boiler... and the insulated jacket on the both boilers in the Rancilio etc..
@@netgun08 5 years for me as well, with nothing but regular maintenance (descaling and cleaning). I watch these comparison videos in hopes I have the opportunity to buy a new machine
have the Breville dual boiler for a year and works perfectly, no problems so far, my question is : What would be the best option to upgrade the coffee machine? What coffee machine would you recommend with a more powerful stimmer? Grettings from Vienna, Austria
The Rancilio Pro is more than twice the price of a normal Silvia. Another let down the vibration pump makes a lot of noise. To adjust the boiler pressure is very laborious. Again the diptray is very clumsy. The steamwand isn't insulated. Limited pre infusion. At this price tag I am expecting both more improvements and refinements.
@@MrMarki134 The difference is the Silvia completely beats anything from Breville in long-term reliability and quality. It's machine-grade, whereas the Breville is appliance-grade. Single-boiler Silvias from 10 or even 20 years ago are still going. Good luck getting 10 years out of a Breville; my Breville Bambino lasted 7 months before it shat the bed completely, which is why I'm finally listening to more experienced people and buying the Silvia (and why this vid was on my recommended list I guess)
I don’t see these two as exact comparables. The Silvia is more expensive and that makes sense. No gimmick features and focusses on accuracy for both temperature and pressure. Plus you have a commercial steam arm, better internals and build if only because it’s based on commercial machines. It’s also designed and made in Italy by a company that just focusses on coffee. That said, coming from a big consumer appliance maker, the dual boiler is an awesome consumer-grade appliance at a budget. Being designed by Australians and built in China gives a great price and value for what you get.
"So yeah, that's the Silvia Pro." Wow, just skip straight past it's history, the company's rep for long-last quality machines etc etc? Can be bring back Gail?
People complain about Breville's use of plastic. But I'd much rather have an amazing plastic drip tray than that piece of **** metal pan that the Silvia has. Why why why can't they invest a bit of time into making something good?
Well they focus more on making great consistent espresso rather than gimmick features on the breville. Although yes, the metal pan looks like you’d toast bread on it.
@@user-ul2lu3jf8l I wouldn't call a decent drip tray a gimmick. The bdb is an excellent machine, especially considering that you can pick up a new one for as little as half the price of the SP (and that includes a grinder that you can sell off to make it even cheaper). It has many of the features that the more expensive machines have. Hell, it even has a PID heated group head. Does the SP have that?
@@jacksos101 i agree that the breville is an excellent machine although lots of its attractive features dont last long or are unnecessary. The grinder on the bbe doesn’t grind fine enough. The programmed buttons don’t contribute to consistency for me. Worst of all in the span of five months I sent it for repair thrice. Although yes my shots on the Breville are great but you eventually spend the same price as an RS due to repairs. Still waiting for it right now cause the gasket keeps popping out. Might just be my machine but I’d say it is at consumer grade. It’s good enough if you don’t plan on investing too much on coffee.
You are so funny :)))) What are you saying there about the steaming?? So in your humble ipinion is better to have a poor steam power in order to obtain a good crema??? :)))))))))
I have just purchased the Silvia Pro, if only I knew how loud the pump on the steam boiler was I wouldn’t have purchased. No way you can store cup on to as it rattles so much and it wakes up every one in the house in the morning.
My old rancilio Silvia was perfect and half as loud
It’s true. I had the same issue and was considering selling it. Bizarre oversight on Rancilio’s part. I ended up replacing the Ulka ep5 pump with an Ulka ep4 pump (one each for steam and brew boiler) which added extra cost and wasted time. Nevertheless, the difference in noise is night and day, and now I feel like keeping the machine. Would I buy it again? No.
Thank you for your comments. Do you know whether it is the same as loud in the Pro X model?
I got a Silvia Pro for xmas. It’s ugly but I just love it. Simplicity is beauty
I haven’t used any of those machines but from the review I watched , the Rancilio seems to have a more robust built. On the other had, the Breville seems to have more features to play with. Yet, in the end, the goal is to have a great espresso to drink, and eventually a machine that will last long. I just feel that the Rancilio will last longer. I am curious to read what experienced users have used and prefer over time.
I have the BDB and the hot water feature stopped working, so Breville paid for it to get shipped back and looked at. Customer service has been fine so far, not sure when I'll get it back as it just arrived at their facility in Illinois. Tempted to buy something else though but its been a good machine.
On the BDB I don't steam that long before it gets too hot to hold, but I'm also not using the stock pitcher. Mine is a bit thinner so maybe I should be leaving it a bit longer.
Could you please confirm the heating time for both machines? Looking for the faster one :)
You seem to imply that the steam boiler does not come on automatically. This is not my experience. When my machine is turned on in the morning, my steam boiler automatically heats up if it was on when the machine was turned off. The boiler comes on if it was on when the machine was turned off and off if it was off when the machine was turned off.
Finally, the mechanical control of the Silvia pro make it compatible with any wifi enabled smart plugs, allowing for a much better timer and remote control.
The amount of water that ends up in the tray is significantly lower than that of the normal Silvia, making the size of the tray a lot less important.
With both boilers on all the time there is no issue of keeping the temperature up and the temperature accuracy of the Silvia Pro is incredible.
Love the new studio! I’ve owned my Breville Infuser and Smart Grinder Pro for about 2 years now (off your recommendation, of course) and not at all ready to upgrade. But when I am the double boiler is absolutely on my radar. I really appreciate the thought and ingenuity they put into their machines, making espresso simpler for everyone. Great video, SCG!
Loving my Sage/Breville duel boiler. (Sage in the UK). Had it over a year with no issues. What glasses are you using please, and size? Thanks.
A whole year? That's impressive for a Breville. Mine lasted 7 months.
@@bigglyguy8429 omg wtf? I think thats your problem man i met people that has been use the breville dual boiler for more than 5 years
@@razineatworld The dually is their top of the range. I had the 'Bambino'. Cleaned and pampered like a baby, it still shat the bed after 7 months. Was fine for 6.5 months, then kept asking to be cleaned and ignored that it just had, then random button flashing, then leaked. I live on an island and the cost of posting the thing back, plus having to pay for return postage, meant it wasn't worth messing with. I got a Rancillio Silva Pro instead, which I'm quite happy with. My Breville Smartgrinder Pro still works fine, but cannot grind fine enough for the Silvia. At it's finest setting my Silvia just goes "Phft!" in about 6-8 seconds at 14g, so I got a Mignon Specialita. Tell you what also still works, my old Delonghi Dedica. That's still fine. :)
Breville is the best dual boiler for the money, but you will never make the volumetric option to work correct! The machine is not smart enough....so the volume is always off from what is adjusted.
Nice video as always! If you want to speed up the steaming on the Breville, don't forget you can change the temperature of the steam boiler and it does make it quite a bit more powerful (if you want it to be). Also, the electrically-heated grouphead helps keep the shot temp consistent. Just my 2 cents and 2 features I find very cool.
How do you increase the temperature of the steam boiler on the Breville Dual Boiler?
@@docforven on 7:34 on video, the menu shows "STEA", its for steam
@@coyzmann thanks.
My BDB had issues after 4 years...for $400 Breville is sending me a new machine
Something to consider when looking at these two machines is how happy you will be with them long term. There are a lot of comments in here about how long the Silvia will last. I'm sure that is very true. A question that should follow is will you be happy with the Silvia pro for years? If you are looking at a $2000 espresso machine you are likely an enthusiast. Are you going to be satisfied with the lack of features on the Silvia? For close to $1000 cheaper the BDB offers much more adjustability and the ability to really explore the espresso making experience. Will it last 4 years? Maybe not. I have had the BDB for a little over two years and have had a couple problems with it. I have had to rebuild the steam valve twice. I am well aware of the fact that my machine will likely not last another two years. When it goes I will be looking at the Lelit Bianca as an upgrade. If you buy the BDB as an entry level DB machine and accept it for what it is then you will have an extra $1000 to put towards a much better machine when you decide you want one.
Since I'm here replying to someone I'll answer that... I got the Silvia Pro and yes, quite happy with the lack of.. whatever else. I can honestly say I have no interest in any other machine now. It reminds me of my Garmin 5X watch; I went from being interested in watches to just walking past watch shops with zero interest. Today I'm interested in beans, their origin, drying process and roast level. The machine is a given; I have a dual boiler built like a tank, so why should I think about the machine?
10 years on my Lelit. Two coffees 3x per day. Easy to find parts and basic to replace.
Right now, the Silvia Pro X is $1870 and the Breville Dual Boiler is $1,600 - so $270 difference, not $1,000. Breville has taken some crazy pricing over the past two-years
I am interested in the Silvia pro x. I currently have a Delongi dedica and have got that for 6 years and still working well. So I want a machine with a few more features and solid to last for a few years. Would I be satisfied with it after 20 years? I don’t know, but I wouldn’t like to have to replace a coffee machine after 5 years. As for the features on offer it reminds me photography. We learned so much in the school of photography i attended using a Nikon FM2 totally manual and just a normal lens on. Less is more as they say and perhaps Silvia is just enough for me (except the narrow tray).
Hi! Please compare with other dual boilers like lelit and Profitec.
Oh yes à BDB VS Lelit Bianca!
@@GadgetsGearCoffee At around $4000 the Lelit Bianca V2 is four times the price of the BDB ($999) here in Australia. So the Breville is exceptional value
@@andrewlucan9017 but the lelit Bianca will last several generations.
@@andrewlucan9017 The Dual boiler is a great deal in Australia. The irony is that Italian machines are way more expensive than they are in Europe and Sage/Breville are much more expensive in Europe. Having said that, the Letit Bianca is almost twice the price of the BDB in the UK.
Aside from the Breville shot being a little stronger, was there any other difference in the taste quality of the coffee between the two machines?
The internal build quality and material used in both the machines are what really make the difference. The plastic components in the Dual Boilers especially at the group head assembly starts deteriorating and showing bubbling/flaking issue after a year plus of usage, not to mention the copper and stainless steel tubing in the Rancilio vs plastic tubing in the Dual boiler... and the insulated jacket on the both boilers in the Rancilio etc..
I am using a Breville for more than 4 years and the problem is it's still working and I can not buy a new one
@@netgun08 5 years for me as well, with nothing but regular maintenance (descaling and cleaning). I watch these comparison videos in hopes I have the opportunity to buy a new machine
have the Breville dual boiler for a year and works perfectly, no problems so far, my question is : What would be the best option to upgrade the coffee machine? What coffee machine would you recommend with a more powerful stimmer? Grettings from Vienna, Austria
Probably Lelit Bianca
Wow :) New lighting setup ! Getting better and better. Congrats ;)
@Gibson Nicholas get a life.
Looks like the breville is a little more capable and easier to use. Good comparison though.
The difference is the Rancilio will still be working after the warranty
Correction. The Silvia pro does not have an insulated steam arm. Aside from that. Nice video.
I was wondering about that. The Whole Latte Love review said it's not insulated.
The BDB also does not have an insulated steam wand. She has said this now in at least two videos and it's incorrect.
Don't know why, but the word rancid comes to mind each time I hear Rancilio😁😁
Maam/sir i would like to hear some reviews of Milesto espresso machine if any chance in your chanel
Where is Gale?
We don’t know. Have you seen her?
@@SeattleCoffeeGear you must know!
The Rancilio Pro is more than twice the price of a normal Silvia.
Another let down the vibration pump makes a lot of noise.
To adjust the boiler pressure is very laborious.
Again the diptray is very clumsy.
The steamwand isn't insulated.
Limited pre infusion.
At this price tag I am expecting both more improvements and refinements.
Great video! Love my Breville dual boiler. Hard to beat with the price and functionality.
It completely beats the silvia in terms of features. Plus, there's the slayer mod!
@@MrMarki134 The difference is the Silvia completely beats anything from Breville in long-term reliability and quality. It's machine-grade, whereas the Breville is appliance-grade. Single-boiler Silvias from 10 or even 20 years ago are still going. Good luck getting 10 years out of a Breville; my Breville Bambino lasted 7 months before it shat the bed completely, which is why I'm finally listening to more experienced people and buying the Silvia (and why this vid was on my recommended list I guess)
@@bigglyguy8429note that my breville barista pro is now 6 years with me and its just getting better and better😉
I don’t see these two as exact comparables. The Silvia is more expensive and that makes sense. No gimmick features and focusses on accuracy for both temperature and pressure. Plus you have a commercial steam arm, better internals and build if only because it’s based on commercial machines. It’s also designed and made in Italy by a company that just focusses on coffee. That said, coming from a big consumer appliance maker, the dual boiler is an awesome consumer-grade appliance at a budget. Being designed by Australians and built in China gives a great price and value for what you get.
@@bigglyguy8429 did you buy the silvia? if not what, what did you buy?
Enjoyed your video
This is an infuriating video. Clearly she has spent less than 5 minutes with the machines prior to filming. Pretty much no value here at all.
But what's the flavor difference?!
Hello! Since these machines provide quite a bit of control it's really down to technique and bean selection to make a difference in flavor!
Hey,,,,, nice new intro. 👏😁👍
"So yeah, that's the Silvia Pro." Wow, just skip straight past it's history, the company's rep for long-last quality machines etc etc? Can be bring back Gail?
Great comparison! I like the volumetric & pre-infusion features on the Breville.
Gail is my dream coffee lady!
I love the way you say: Hey!
People complain about Breville's use of plastic. But I'd much rather have an amazing plastic drip tray than that piece of **** metal pan that the Silvia has. Why why why can't they invest a bit of time into making something good?
Well they focus more on making great consistent espresso rather than gimmick features on the breville. Although yes, the metal pan looks like you’d toast bread on it.
@@user-ul2lu3jf8l I wouldn't call a decent drip tray a gimmick.
The bdb is an excellent machine, especially considering that you can pick up a new one for as little as half the price of the SP (and that includes a grinder that you can sell off to make it even cheaper). It has many of the features that the more expensive machines have. Hell, it even has a PID heated group head. Does the SP have that?
@@jacksos101 i agree that the breville is an excellent machine although lots of its attractive features dont last long or are unnecessary. The grinder on the bbe doesn’t grind fine enough. The programmed buttons don’t contribute to consistency for me. Worst of all in the span of five months I sent it for repair thrice. Although yes my shots on the Breville are great but you eventually spend the same price as an RS due to repairs. Still waiting for it right now cause the gasket keeps popping out. Might just be my machine but I’d say it is at consumer grade. It’s good enough if you don’t plan on investing too much on coffee.
@@user-ul2lu3jf8l the bbe and bdb are quite different machines, but fair points
@@jacksos101 well that’s true. I’ve heard about how much better the bdb is.
Terrible, poorly made video in so many ways.
You are so funny :))))
What are you saying there about the steaming?? So in your humble ipinion is better to have a poor steam power in order to obtain a good crema??? :)))))))))