The "Strong, Independent Woman" is getting so old for me. Can't a girl just for once be scared? She doesn't always have to be some kind of spy/soldier/heroine. It's like they're saying that a woman has no worth unless she can kick butt and that's not right. Sometimes a woman can be a great character just by being kind, loving, or passionate. Mrs. Brisby from the Secret of Nimh was a great female lead. She didn't want to be a heroic warrior, she just wanted to protect her kids. She wasn't smart or strong, she was just determined and was driven by her love for her children.
Female characters don't have to be Sarah Connor to be strong or independent. That's not really what Critic meant by it. Characters can be strong just simply for having endurance and keeping their head up even in the most turbulent situations, or by working through all their flaws and overcoming their struggles, be it internal or external. They can be brave but also have moments of fear and vulnerability, that's what makes them compelling and relatable. Like how you mentioned Mrs. Brisby. It was her determination as a mother that made her strong. This doesn't just apply to female characters, but to all characters in general
What about Riley from _Inside Out_ ? I say she's pretty well developed. I honestly don't get why it's so hard to write good female characters when freakin' *Pixar* can do it.
That's why I like Elizabeth from BioShock Infinite. She's a smart, rounded character who still needs to be protected since she spent her whole life in a tower.
I honestly like it when a character is scared ore emotionally vulnerable but still has the courage to act. An example I like comes from the game "Persona Q Shadow of the Labyrinth" in the form of the Character Ray. That game is this big crossover of these two casts of bad ass heroes who get trapped in this mysterious world and have to work there way through Labyrinths filled with blood firsty monsters called shadows. Now the Heroes have been fighting shadows fore a while so fore them its basicly business as usual but Ray (an original Character from PQ) is really scared of the Labyrinths and I like that because it makes sense. But she goes with the heroes and helps them fighting there way through it because she wants to return with them to there world. I found that pretty cool. She is gameplay wise not even a full character by herself. She and here friend Zen are in gameplay one character that share one pool of HP and SP and one action per turn with Zen performing the offensive skills while Ray helps with healing and buffs. The fact that by herself she would not even be able to fight makes it to even more impressive that she got the courage to go in to these monster infested Labyrinths. And she is (in my opinion) just a really likeable and endearing Character. Another example is this sword master lady from a novel I read. She is presented as this noble legendary warrior whos name is as famous as that of the emperor but its latter revealed that she is actually scared of thunder and lighting. But that did not stop here from fighting a bunch of monsters in a storm. While she owns them like a total boss she latter returns to here travel companions hideout shaking and shivering like scared little kid. I just like that. And she is just overall written in a very compelling manner.
I honestly loved how in the original cinderella animation when we all think the stepmother doomed cinderella's life after breaking the shoe. Cinderella pulls out the other shoe like a boss.
Fun fact: Walt Disney said Cinderella was his favorite Disney princess because he related with her situation of always working hard and wanting more from life.
WhiteTuxMafiaAndFilms It is kinda infuriating how people thought that the original Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty(ok they have a point here), etc. are portrayed as weak. Snow White took care of 7 quirky, annoying as hell dwarves for a long time, like they were her iwn children. Cinderella was being abused by her step mother, and she still managed to be so charming and taking everything in her stride, and still do her chores, and it was at a moment of total despair that drove her to break down. These are signs of strength, just not what we associate with strength today. It was the 1st half of the 20th century, women were expected to be good, caring mothers with great people management skills, not sword-wielding "badasses" who break tradition and all that nonsense. Fuck modern day feminist logic.
Another fun fact : Walt Disney's all film adaptations of classic fairy tales were so influential that after his versions of those tales practically replaced the original stories .A lot of stuff we associate with those fairy tales are in fact Walt Disney's ideas that shaped the public's perception of those tales ... They can still be re-told ,if people made research ... Cause Walt Disney changed quit a lot of things from the stories he adapted ( in terms of characters and their interactions wit one another ,and how the events play out in the story ,plush original subplots and characters )
"Could she have left at any time?" No. She couldn't have. She was a serf. She was legally bound to stay there. If she left, she would become a vagabond. People say this is a sexist fairy tale, but what they forget is the time period it came from. It was a really awful time and in Cinderalla's case, waiting for somebody to rescue her was really was the only thing she could legally do. As you said in a different review "It's the dark ages, it sucks for everyone."
@@PikminandOatchi That justifies the existence of fairies and such, but stories are always a reflection of their time. They are written by people and they write what they believe is "realistic" within the framework of their fantasy.
@@PikminandOatchi In this case ( and a lot old fairy tales ) it did .Those stories were greatly influenced by the cultural norms of the times they were written at
I watched this movie with my mother, expecting very little but willing to give it a try based solely on Brannagh's involvement... and I found it to be lovely. Even my mother was surprised at how engaging it was, and we came out of it with extremely positive feelings about pretty much every aspect of it.
+Etaukan Same! I was originally just going to enjoy the short but my mother wanted to see the movie so I stayed with her, but I actually ended up enjoying it! Where I found the original story to be bland and (to be honest I dislike almost every song from that movie) this one was simple storytelling but done right! Yea neither version of Cinderella's character has impressed me so far, but every other character in the movie was entertaining and some even funny! (the royal portrait painter scene has become an inside joke between my mother and I, one of very few we have)
Original Cinderella: Drew the message of the importance of being kind and hanging in there from the characters and story. Live Action Cinderella: Count the number of times the film flat out explains the message.
It's a problem that a lot of new "feminist" screenwriters have with writing female leads. They see "strong female characters" and they think that it means writing strong females. It doesn't. It means writing strong characters who happen to be female. Characters who have personality, strengths, and flaws, who have a voice of their own within the film. It doesn't refer to characters who are just good at things. That's not interesting. And, by all means, let her be girly or feminine if you want - give her girl things about her. Just make utterly sure that the femininity is an element of the character while not wholly defining her - the driving force of the character should be people things, not girl things.
Exactly! That's why I like Riley from _Inside Out_ - she's actually a relatable character, and the story doesn't hinge on her gender in any way whatsoever.
I couldn't agree more! I'm a woman, and I like strong female characters, but I don't like how "strong female characters" are written nowadays. Maybe some of them are okay, but kinda half-assed at actually being good characters. Basically, a strong woman is not someone who says she's strong and a woman, how about a strong character who happens to be a woman? Excellent way to word it, by the way. ;) And no, I also don't like the idea that they're trying to make women dominate men. Neither gender should be trying to dominate the other. We can all be strong, man or woman. Why not just let that naturally play out in female leads?
Worth mentioning Cinderella saves the day. Remember in the original when the Stepmother destroys the slipper and the Duke brakes down, Cinderella shows them the other slipper saving the day and earning her happy ending. So Cinderella is a strong independent hard working woman in the original. She doesn’t need to be blissful nor rude and believing all men are bad to be a role model.
+MegaSoulhero If you look at it right, it can be viewed as a very good hentai movie. I've made 6 Cinderella pillows and we've had massive orgies with my pet squid. It's so hot sometimes. Sometimes they cry but I correct that.
I don't understand how Cinderella should've been 'stronger' here. Yes, she's a bit of a pushover, but otherwise she was fine imo. Does every female character need to be a kick-ass warrior/independent sass machine in order to be acceptable these days?
+ᛁᚼᛁ Hail Winter-chan ᛁᚼᛁ Did you actually watch the video? He never said she should have been a warrior, he said she should have been more proactive and had more character.
No, but the character shouldn't be air headed and shallow. Sure there are girls like that, most of them just play it up, but in our day and age, we shouldn't just write them as dependent and needy damsels. This really could've been the film that showed that a female character can be strong, independent, yet humble and kind, but really just settled for explaining what she isn't instead of focusing on what she is
Ever After is definitely the best version of Cinderella. I loved it so much it was the first movie I ever bought for myself. I'd love to see you do a critique of the movie, just because it IS so good.
The stepmother from the original will always be the best evil stepmother, her poised, and calm animations are just so unnerving, and I can never forget that state she gave Cinderella before locking her door.
The original Cinderella is a survivor ,this one is a dumb-ass ... Walt Disney was one of the best story tellers of the 20th century ... That's not an opinion ... it's a FACT.
I'm getting sick people calling these princess characters and stories sexist. How the fuck are are they sexist? They're just fantasies. Some girls enjoy the fantasy of a strong handsome prince rescuing them. Yeah, its an old dumb cliche, but plenty of girls actually like it. Why else would these stories have such a lasting impact? To me personally, it all depends on how well the characters and story are handled. This trope can and has been done well. You people are all trying to "rescue" women from something they don't necessarily need rescuing from. I'm not anti-strong independent women characters. In fact, I really don't think there are nearly enough out there. I'm just not entirely anti-damsel in distress. I'm tired of seeing these harmless fantasies being condemned for their misogyny, when there are plenty of girls who enjoy this stuff
+Stuff I Made Productions two main points: The first is the most obvious, that this woman needs a man to come save her and make her life perfect, and she just needs to be good and accept whatever shit comes her way until then. That plotline is inherently a bit sexist, but it's not really something to be bothered about on its own. A film has the right to use that plotline without getting a ton of shit. The problem, as is true in most social justice cases, is in the aggregate. Trends, rather than specifics. There is so much more media where there's a damsel in distress than there is where there's a strong female lead. So people get a bit prickly whenever a movie adds more onto that first pile while the second remains so much smaller. The more blatant it is, the more prickly they get.
I didn't really have much of any expectations for this movie, my dad and I went to the theater and chose it on a whim. I was a little worried it was going to come off too young, but it actually worked with me. I thought it was cute and that they did a pretty decent job. My favorite part was probably the updated step-mother. (Of course, any additions to the prince would've been better than the original, haha, so that was nice too.) The actress did amazing and the role was very well written. I loved seeing her struggle and her emotions, you could really see where she was coming from and why she made the decisions she did. I was more distracted by her at the ending than the ending itself. How tragic! I felt sorry for her.
+PimpManFan The movie makes it clear that Cinderella would have ended up like Lady Tremaine had she not hold to her believe of kindness and courage. That's a scary thought.
except the only thing good about that short was the Baymax Snowgie, and Hans getting his face smashed in Horseshit. That's it, cause it was just one long Music Video
+kristof gergely I personally disliked it. I didn't really see the point of it aside from maybe revealing more of what Elsa's powers can do but by god that one lyric "A cold never bothered me anyway" was VERY cringe worthy.
I really feel like the godmother's test is actually needed here. If she would still provide kindness at her most vulnerable and possibly where anyone would break.
When I was telling my friends about the movie I said " The stepmom was fun, the stepsisters were funny, Helena Bonham Carter is amazing and the costumes are gorgeous. But Cinderella was dumb and that was a problem"
Personally, I loved this movie. It humanized so many characters, and I ESPECIALLY love what they did with Lady Tremaine. You really see how she isn't pure evil; she was once a loving wife with a wonderful life, but everything was taken away from her, and she didn't have the courage to make her goodness last through it, which differentiates her from Cinderella. And honestly, I do like Cinderella here. She's not quite as good as the original, but she works well with the movie in my opinion.
I think both movies are a tie both have flaws ...but both also has good qualities.. lady tremane for me wasnt a good update the original step mother did enjoy being evil but it wasnt without purpose. She hated Cinderella because she couldnt understand someone being better than her daughters it was jealousy the difference between the two is the original step mother was in denial amd saw her daughters as perfect everything they did badly made her proud lol so subconsciously she hated Cinderella because she broke that fantasy..the new stepmother actually noticed her daughters weren't talented so to me it made no sense for her to treat Cinderella badly...what was the purpose? Because cinderella showed courage ? But when? When was she courageous she was only kind ..she showed more courage to escape in the animated version.. plus I did find her updated story very interesting but they executed it lousy they lead us on to believe there was something deeper into why she was so evil and all that build up fell through because they gave the vaguest answer ever ... " because things never worked out in her life??? Shes not starving shes in a nice house and is considered a lady in her time period ..nothing to do with Cinderella..she threatened her in no way.. it didnt make sense.. if your going to add more twist to a character either see it all the way through and go all out or dont share much..the original didnt share much which made it simple they had a good idea with the new lady but fell through in the end..
Unpopular opinion, but I loved this version. I recognize it's flawed (what movie isn't), but as a survivor of child abuse myself I thought it was beautiful that she never lost her kindness and joy - that she was never hardened by her circumstances. To me that's a sign of real strength. (Of course other abuse survivors may disagree.) And the scene where her dress is transformed? I cried.
THIS Cinderella didn't suffer any child abuse since the stepmother was introduced when she was practically an adult .Which is a stupid change because it greatly reduces the Stepmother's influence over Cinderella ... In this version Cinderella had the perfect childhood which is completely antithetical to the entire story ...She doesn't suffer nearly in this as she does in the 1950's version,which is vastly superior in almost every way.
I don't know what you're talking about. I felt a lot more emotion from this version than the original, such that I was tearing up when the news of her dad's death came. Something the original never managed to do. I just empathized with this version more and enjoyed her optimism and the subtle decay of it.
I'm so 50/50 on this movie. It's visually stunning and made me feel so magical. But like Doug and his brother Rob say, Cinderella has taken a huge step back in this remake. Animated Cinderella had more layers than live-action Cinderella. Ani-Cindy got angry, joked, had a lil attitude as well as being kind. L-A Cindy is kind, got sad once and doesn't try to fight against or behind the step-mother at all. The fact that she's just singing, dancing and all happy being locked in the attic is INSANE! Ani-Cindy at least tried and WANTED to get out! Yes, the mice helped too in the animated movie and L-A Cindy didn't really have that, but still! This is what bugs me about the live-action remake.
+strubbery g Money. But in all honesty, yes. That's what a lot of people ask Disney. Why the need to do Live Action of animated classics? Worse, they totally miss the point. Maleficent was a dud, this one is a less dud, but still a dud.
+Antonio Francisco Magaña Gómez maleficent could be magnificent, but they never knew what they want to do: maleficent as a child? as a teen? as a witch? before the course? parallel story to the fairy tale? the truth behind it? instead of focusing on one of those elements and fully develope it, they decide to do them all at once. and just to make us more salty they couldn't align the story with the original tale. I hate this movie...
vm141789 Me too. It's a good movie. There'd be point. Reviews of good movies by the Critic are rare and usually take more the form of an analysis of why it's so praised (like Mad Max). Ever After is a good film, but not one really prominent enough to warrant an NC review. A straight Doug Walker review or Sibling rivalry maybe, but those are usually done on more recent films. Despite what many say, these reviews are still supposed to focus on crap, whether old or recent.
I actually thought this version of Cinderella was better than the original version. Sure, it didn't innovate the story of Cinderella that much, but the way the story was executed made this movie stand out. I thought everything was more interesting and more fun to watch because of all the updates they did. Also, I think Cate Blanchett was born to play Lady Tremaine.
+Jack Stevenson she might have been born to play the role, and ill admit ive only seen clips from the movie, but she was PAINFUL to watch. The original Lady Tremaine was one of the most despicable Disney Animated villains, as we all know......thats up against some pretty stiff competition, even though she doesnt do an incredible amount of actions
+Jack Stevenson I think the best Cinderella was the animated series Grim Fairy Tale Classy. All of the characters had big development and more interesting than ever. Heck, Cinderella was the one that has to come to the castle with the animal's help while being chase by the step mom's hunter. Also, there is no Fairy God Mother but only her animal and a tree friends helped her before the balls.
Something that made me laugh in this was when the fairy godmother went "I must change your dress" and Cinderella is like "No you can't its my mother's" so the godmother asks to update it a little, which Cinderella agrees to and results in a complete changing of the dress that Ella doesn't bat an eyelash at 😂
Messing up the title character is like messing up the turkey in a Thanksgiving dinner. They had the mashed potatoes, macaroni and cheese, the roasted brussels sprouts, the cranberry sauce, the crisp apple pie, and all the drinks ready and perfected, the table all set up and ready, but one idiot in the family decided to try and deep fry the turkey, and the whole house burned to the ground, and now the family has to eat Chinese food. I think by ruining the title character, it wastes all the effort put into this movie because the people behind it talked hard about how they were making a more outgoing and empowering heroine, but they actually went the opposite direction with her! They actually went as far as to promote toxic personality habits to separate itself from the original movie, and no amount of work around that will make it better. I'm making a video on Cinderella as a character and how and why people blame her or dismiss her, and I think one big reason behind it is movies like this and how it was marketed.
I watched Into the Woods recently, and I found the musical number with Cinderella on the steps better than this entire movie. Still love the animated film better.
*THIS COMMENT CONTAINS A SPOILER FOR "INTO THE WOODS"* (I just wanted to give a warning for those who wanted to see the movie) When I saw it, I was laughing when they _actually_ included the stepsisters cutting their heels/toes off to fit into the slipper!
I tried SO hard to love this movie. I felt like it was the same story that been told a thousand times with very few new things to keep it fresh. My mom and I absolutely love Disney, but when we left the theater, we looked at each other and we were like: "That was the lamest Cinderella story ever told." We agreed that there was very little ideas brought to this classic story to keep it fresh and amazing. Even the wonderful cast and beautiful animation couldn't save the movie.
That "Have courage and be kind" quote always seemed to bug me for reason as it was the only thing that Cinderella lived by. How that should have worked if Cinderella was still kind to many decent people but to her step sisters and step mother, she should have had the courage to stop taking all the abuse and say "No. I'm sick of you and your daughters treating me in such a horrible way. Well, you won't be doing it anymore because I've had enough, so FUCK YOU!!!". I know that we can't have Cinderella swear in a Disney film but that would have been cool to see her do that.
+MacyPooh196 of course they don't NEED to, they don't NEED to do anything. Nobody really NEEDS to do anything at all, but there are plenty of things it's a good idea to do anyway. The old animated movies really could use remakes. The animation is getting dated, as are the characters. I'm not saying that they should be replaced, and I'm not saying what we're getting from these remakes are good, I'm just saying that updating some of their most famous IPs with modern technology and sensibilities is a pretty good idea. The movies we've actually gotten though? Kinda soulless, yeah.
Android 19 If they aren't going to do it out of love, and rather do it to show off impressive sets and costumes rather over character development then they shouldn't try it. They don't need to be made unless they care about it.
Thanks Doug for the review. I agree the development in this is very good,especially the cinematography. You forgot the costume design which was fabulous.
Ever After it's not perfect ... The third act felt quit forced and some of the dialogue it's cringe ...It's one of the better re-imaginings and an enjoyable film ... But the truth is that it draws heavy inspiration from Walt Disney's take on Cinderella instead of Perrault's ( which is quit different in term of how the characters are described and how the events of the story play out .For example : in Perrault's version the ball lasts for 2 nights,Cinderella interacts with the step sisters at the ball and back at home they won't stop talking about that mystery girl to which Cinderella pretended to be completely oblivious of ,and she is wearing a golden dress with precious stones and pearls attached to the fabric instead of the white silver she wears in the original 1950's version ,which was turn to blue when the Disney Princesses became a franchise in the early 2000's because if they'd kept in the white silver color it would look like as if little girls were wearing wedding dresses ... In Perrautl's tale the father is still alive but completely submissive to the step mother,Perraut emphasizes Cinderella's kindness and at the end she forgives the stepsisters and she sets them off with two handsome lords and they also live in the palace with her.Walt Disney emphasized Cinderella's optimism which Perrautl's has non off, she's described as very pessimistic,Walt also adds the element of the hopeful dreamer to Cinderella,and the subplot of her mother's dress which Ever After borrows from ,along side the mice as main companions which in the book she had no companion ... She had white doves in Grimm's, which is were Walt took the inspiration from .Turning the mice that Cinderella finds in a mouse trap and the fairy godmother turns into horses in Perrault's ,and making them Cinderella's companions .The stepsisters were drawn as unattractive in the Disney version to cut on the animation budget since it was way easier to animate their faces,mean while the only version where their described in terms of physical appearance is in Grimm's " Beautiful of face but with stone black hearts'' .In fact in illustrations made for both Grimm's and Perrault's Cinderella they are very good looking ... )
My favorite Cinderella adaptation will always be the made-for-tv version of the Rogers & Hammerstein musical with Brandy and Whitney Huston. You have an interesting Cinderella, a fleshed out Prince, and really, really fun side characters. PLUS great music!
+AHMED ALBOHAMAD Yeah, they expand the original tale into a full series epic, with Cinderella going on adventures with the Prince who is undercover as a peasant.
Honestly I feel this film adds on to what the original was missing. And when they tear apart her mother's dress, the greatest impact was when the stepmother insults her dead mothers taste, insult to injury. I didn't care for the secret garden scene. My ultimate favorite scene from the original is the chase scene when time runs out. It's a trade off to me. Still enjoy the original greater though.
When Cinderella gets her happy ending, at least her parent's house is back in her possession, but I must admit I found it not a good reason to stay when she would be living in the palace mostly anyway. I'm so glad you saw the original Disney Cinderella got angry and frustrated, and she had sass, too. But what I also loved about her was her warm goodness, and this live-action Cinderella also has a shining goodness that keeps me interested. The prince also had goodness, like her. Also, I saw both Cinderellas trying to get happier situations by trying to make their dresses for the ball. And Cinderella riding her horse away from her step-family when they get very cruel I saw as trying to escape for a little bit.
I think the parent-figures were almost treated worse than cinderella's character. it made no sense how the king just accepted it all out of the blue on his death bed. that can't have been genuine, that's not how a father or a king whose kingdom is on the brink of collapse should behave, by just letting his overly naive son do whatever the hell he wants without any back-up plan or anything. the same goes to cinderella's mother. how in the whole world does a good mother on her death bed just say to be kind to everyone, almost claiming that everybody else is as pure and good-hearted as their little family? that's one hell of a bad mother lol
Brandi was in a production of Cinderella that pretty much addresses all your comments about this 2015 production. It's a little campy, lots of color, but if you don't mind the over the topness, it's a much better adaption of the story. We loose the younger step sister's development, but we get the magic back, so your thoughts might differ.
Cinderella should "just leave"? Where would she go? All she has in this world is one dress and one pair of shoes. Sure, she has friends in the village but they're servants! They'd barely be able to just get her a job and servants don't exactly have huge living spaces so they may not even be able to give her shelter This post explains it best, I think: dudeyoureavegetarian.tumblr.com/post/129171716775/it-still-bugs-me-how-both-doug-and-rob-walker
+Vakas Hussain That's also my biggest issue with this complaint. Like she has no money of her own and there is NO WAY her stepmother would just give her any to be able to support herself. She could attempt to get an apprenticeship, but like that isn't established as a thing that women can get in that world (although I guess it could have if they went that way, considering it's a fairy tale world). Also I just wanted to say that I'd come away from the movie thinking that the scene where Cinderella is locked in the attic and then sings is done in a way that shows that she's just given up. She doesn't dance during that scene, she just sits on the window sill and sings a song her mother used to sing to her because she has officially given up trying to appease her stepmother while also trying to have a happy and fulfilling life of her own. This movie is far from perfect, but I always thought that scene worked in a way that showed she wasn't waiting for the prince to save her, but just that she really didn't know what else to do with herself. She'd exhausted all of her efforts to become a part of a family that clearly never wanted her, and the matriarch of that family had taken everything from her. Her singing was a way for her to remind herself of a better time, not because she was happy, but because she was so sad that she had no other way of comforting herself.
Yes, that was my interpretation of the attic scene, too! I usually agree with Nostalgia Critic's reviews or I can at least see where they're coming from but there was so much wrong with this argument that "Cinderella should've just left" and the worst thing is that it's one of the most common complaints among critics of the film.
Vakas Hussain Yeah we definitely would've needed more world building to believe that she could just leave and make it on her own, but in general I didn't think we really needed more world building so it could've easily just been overkill so that this Cinderella could...idk "take her fate into her own hands" I guess.
Yeah, like Doug addressed in this video, I didn't like how the Stepmother came into Cinderella's life when she's an adult as opposed to a child--there would be more time for Cinderella to fall into an abusive situation where she can't get out and internalized the negativity. Although I do resent the whole "why doesn't she leave?" because I believe Cinderella is partially about domestic abuse and how you don't just "leave" because you've been conditioned that you are nothing without the abuser in your life (kinda like Frollo and Mother Gothel). Also, Cinderella is living in a less progressive time where women did not have a lot of options and if she left, she could be worse off--at best she could be a beggar or join a nunnery for shelter, or at worst be a prostitute (although she could still offer her housework skills for pay).
I just wish Disney would realize that if they're going to update their movies they should actually UPDATE them. There was nothing new in the movie worth mentioning at all! The new live action versions are playing out exactly like their pointless animated sequels did years ago. They just keep making the same mistakes! I'd call this movie harmless, but I didn't find anything fun about it. I mean, it has Helena Bonham Carter as the Fairy Godmother and she doesn't get to really do anything outside of what the fairy did in the animated movie! Why? Why have her there if anyone else could be put into the role and there be no difference? I will say this: the movie looks beautiful. Fat lot of good it does when that's all there is to the movie though right? Ok, bitching and moaning done. Thank you Doug, I needed that! Still good to hear your opinion on things!
As far as not leaving, in the time period that they are portraying an unmarried woman had basically no prospects and really could not go off and live alone unless her family provided her with money or a house. Basically, if Cinderella left, she would just have to find a job as a servant in another house doing the same thing. So if your situation won't really change whether you leave or not, and could potentially get worse if you do, it makes sense to want to stay in your father's house and keep a connection to your family and the time when you were happy.
I liked this movie because unlike Meleficent it stayed true to the story and didn't push it with PC agenda. The stepmother received more depths but still stayed a vicious villain like she is in an original and not poor misunderstood victim.
+Alucard BloodyVampire I wouldn't say 'agenda', but it just looked suspicious it was Maleficent lying to get people on her side. Still, this made more sense than other adaptations. The motivation of the king trying to marry the prince off sounded much better than him just wanting to have grandchildren.
Alucard BloodyVampire I still wish they did go more into the abuse Cinderella suffered, showing that while she can leave she's under the emotional grip of her stepfamily.
I didn't care for the message in this film. Courage, I agree is a good virtue to always have (although our protagonist in this film didn't show much courage at all if you ask me), but you can't always be kind in the real world. There is a time for kindness and a time to stand up for yourself and say or do whatever needs to be said or done regardless whether it is the "kind" thing to do or not. Some people will take kindness for weakness and, sometimes, you have to put your foot down.
the first 10 minutes of the movie is to explain how wonderful her parents were and why she would care so much when they both died. she stays in the house cuz her father tells her to keep her home close to her heart. the one thing I do think you're totally spot-on is when she doesn't fight harder when she's stuck in the Attic that pissed me off a little too. also at the end of the movie they say how the stepmother and sisters moved out ,so they don't say it but maybe Cinderella and the prince bought the house and rented it out to a better deserving family that would still be keeping the house in her heart IDK just a thought
I struggled with Cinderella because the leading lady was soooooo bland and accepted being treated like crap with an "Oh well must keep being good and fair". Where is the complexity?
+Infinite Studios The complexity is how Cinderella and Lady Tremaine inteact with each other, stupid. Speaking of complexity, was there any in the animated film, cuz it was super simple and careless.
I consider this my favourite movie of 2015. I liked the story since I was a kid. In my opinion the 1950's one was good but the 2015 one is ALOT better as all the charcthers are more fleshed out. Kenneth Branagh did me proud. Yes the story has been done to death but hey I loved it. 4/5
Lol no. In the 2015 version they made Cinderella a much more stupid and submissive character, causing her actions to make no sense. The original Cinderella was a character with whom you could empathize right away due to the good storytelling of the film. That simplicity of which you speak is in fact a virtue, not a mistake.
what this movie probably should have done, is wait the first breakdown scene, where she realizes she doesn't belong with the family, and save it with the dressripping scene. It could be dubble the drama. First, the fact that she has noone resembling a family, second, the fact that who she's stuck with despise her and legitimately hate her, and third there's the fact that her dress gets ripped, which could be like the Original, very effective.
Well I loved it. A lot of the criticisms you bring up I don't see. I thought they handled the material faithfully and expanded on it well. It's the best of the live action Disney remakes.
Tyler R I was pretty much indifferent towards Alice in Wonderland, hated Oz, and liked Maleficent. So I'm interested in seeing Beauty and the Beast (especially since bae, Emma Watson, is playing the lead 😍).
I agree that Ever After is an amazing take on the Cinderella story. However, if you're still wanting a more traditional take, I'd also recommend the Rodgers & Hammerstein version that originally aired as part of ABC's Wonderful World of Disney. I loved the characters, the atmosphere, and the music. It's probably my personal favorite version of the story.
Ever After is a re-imagining not an adaptation ... And it was greatly influenced by Walt Disney's 1950's Cinderella in terms of how it told the story ... Like the slippers belonging to Daniel's desist mother it's strait out of Disney's adaptation with Cinderella's mother's dress ... Disney made up the whole thing with Cinderella having memorabilia of her mother ,wasn't a part of the story .Also Daniel's father dying at the beginning ,in the written versions he's still alive but completely submissive to the stepmother ...Ever After has a quit flawed narrative but it's an enjoyable film. Walt Disney's it's much closer to the spirit of the Classic fairy tale
Its so funny and ironic to me. Some people hate Cinderella and those kind of movies because "she is sumisive and weak and its a very sexist movie" (which is not). But i can't STAND this live action version in which they tried to sell a strong Cinderella PRECISELY because she is NOT. She is so weak, so dumb, well Doug explained it really well in the video. I can't stand this movie because of the same reason so many people can't stand the animated one. But they are so wrong with the animated one goddamit
On the subject of why she doesn't just leave, think about the time period where this story takes place. Cinderella takes place forever ago (being one of the oldest fairy tales in history) when women couldn't just leave their families and be independent. They were entirely dependent on their families (namely their fathers or whichever male is head of the household) or their husbands. Sure, she probably could get a job as a maid, but would it be any different than her current position with her step family? In this recent movie, yeah, she has friends who offer her a place to stay, but I'm just talking about the original fairy tale and the time and culture in which it took place.
Thank you!! Just thank you!! I hate this version. The hatred for the animated version I find to be misguided. I don't see it as sexist at all or that she is waiting for a prince. In the very beginning she talks to the dog explaining her situation via a cat vs. dog analogy. It states that everyday is the same and when the movie starts it feels like Cinderella is very close to her breaking point hence why the ball was so important to her. She didn't want to go because of the prince, she wanted to go because she just wanted one day of fun that she could cherish forever. When the night was over she was satisfied, she felt that she can go on. In the animated version and even in Ever After Cinderella was a prisoner in her own home where as in the live action remake Cinderella was just a twirling dumb ass.
I...actually like this one. I mean, it was well acted, the visuals were nice, and I liked how they had the prince and Cinderella meet before the ball, adding a bit more realism to the romance. But I do think it's a bit anti-climactic. I mean, when Cinderella gets locked in her room near the end, the original had a tense sequence where the mice try to get the key to her while being chased by the cat. In the remake, birds open the window and the palace people hear her sing and...yeah, see the problem here? But if there's one reason I would recommend watching this, it has to be Helen Banham Carter as the fairy godmother. Sure she looks younger than the disney counterpart, but she played the part so well. She was hilarious!
This is certainly a film that surprised me on so many levels because I honestly thought this film was going to suck due to Disney’s track record of remaking their old films being pretty terrible (*cough Maleficent *cough). While I wouldn’t call this film a perfect film by any means as there are a couple of scenes that I do not care for, but this is certainly a remake that somewhat sticks out to me. While “John Carpenter’s The Thing”, one of the best remakes of all time is barely like the film it is like the film it is attempting to remake. This film is very similar to the originally, however I am one of those people who thinks the original is just okay as it suffers from a lot of filler to bogs it down for me. This film over feels like one of those remakes that watched the original and ironed out some of the flaws of the film, while adding enough new smaller stuff that I notice of repeat viewing such as the backstory and imagery. I might do an article on this film on my blog, but in the meantime I will quote my friend in regards to how this film makes me feel “For films like Cinderella 2015, it reminds us of why we NEED stories like these. To inspire hope and optimism in a gloom world.”
My favorite rendition of the Cinderella is actually from the visual novel PC game called "Cinders". Based on decisions you make, can have her gain the happy ending with the prince...or legally taking back the rights to the father's mansion away from the stepmother...or obtaining enough money to run away from home never looking back...or being sent to jail for poisoning her stepmother. Honestly it is a lot of fun. Go check it out!
Honestly, the moment he said that the original Cinderella actually showed annoyance and was trying to take everything in stride, I felt like screaming "YES!! THANK YOU!!", because anytime I see descriptions of the character, this side of her is never mentioned, which is sad, because I feel like it makes her more realistic. I still need to watch this new version, but I'm glad to say, without a trace of irony, that Cinderella is one of the Disney Princess I give the most respect.
+0deadx21 It's not that noticeable, true, but it's there, like when Lucifer covers the floor with dust with his paws, she sounds and looks quite frustrated. Also whenever one of her step sisters complains about something and calls her, she responds with a very monotone "yes": it's clear that this situation is hard for her, and she's trying to keep going. I can understand if you didn't notice this, since it IS pretty subtle, but I personally think this makes her a more deep character than she looks.
turtswing No, it's not subtle at all. She just does stuff because the movie's story says so and not because of anything else. Her backstory was 100% pointless, they might as well have never shown it as it told and showed us nothing of value for the rest of the film.
turtswing The fucking problem with having Cinderella orphaned as a child as oppose to already a grown-up is that we're never shown anything. We just time skip about a decade or so later and that's it. Completely an utterly pointless. If you told me she we orphaned a month ago, I'd believe it, because she doesn't give the impression she's been abused for a decade at all. With Cinderella orphaned as a grown-up, it gives a chance to witness Cinderella's character developing throughout everything. We saw how she acted when both her parents were alive, when only her father was alive, when she got a stepfamily, when she was orphaned, and during her transformation from a step-daughter to a house servant. The animated movie offered no such character development, so how the fuck are we suppose to know how to feel about Cinderella when we don't fucking know her properly.
0deadx21 you don't get it, I'm saying that the new Cinderella is like a new version of a cupcake like the old one but instead they put sparkles all over it to make it look pretty
The other thing that pisses me off about this version of the story is that in making the Prince and Cinderella meet before the ball, IT MAKES THE ENTIRE SHOE SITUATION ENTIRELY POINTLESS. And that's kind of a big part of the Cinderella fairytale. Also the side plot of one of the king's assistants and the stepmother working together was really strange and kind of pointless.
Has anyone ever seen Cinderella 2 and 3? 2 is just 3 slice of life stories that give the characters development. 3 is a time travel story in which the step mother uses the wand to destroy Cinderella's happy ending. That movie develops the king and the prince greatly. One of her sisters gets a lot of development as well. Cinderella, OMG gets the best character development in both sequels, and the mice are still comedy gold I think that they are decent sequels that flesh out each character, and they together with the original make this movie redundant, but its harmless and looks nice so its ok.
The iconic blue dress in this movie had a total of eight versions made, all used depending on what Lily James was doing in the scene in which the dress was worn. For example, one dress was four inches off the ground for her running scene from the ball to the carriage, and another dragged on the ground slightly for her entrance at the ball.
+Fadi Antwan BULLSHIT. That film mocked everything that made the Cinderella story good. Danielle is such a bitch, and is apperantly not the mentally strong type since forgiveness is too much to ask of her. That wasn't a Cinderella movie, that was some stupid dumb fanfic of some sorts.
***** To each his own, but it's a classic beloved by children and adults all over the world for its simple theme of perseverance through the most hopeless situations. That's why it's so popular.
I like "The Glass slipper" with Leslie Caron. In that not only is she an out cast to her family, but the whole town puts her down. In that one Cinderella is odd, and passionate. And the fairy godmother is an eccentric, old lady who stole the dress and shoes and she has to be home by midnight so that the carriage driver can get back in time to take his employer home. It was clever and witty. And that Cinderella actually did run away from her family and the prince had to find her.
after the fiasco with aleficent, this movie was EXACTLY what I wanted. A remake of the classical tale now in full actors, with further developtment on characters and great effects. If Disney wants to remake their classics into Live-action, this is the road they should take.
+MrKlausbaudelaire Mulan already? That one isn't even that old. It's not showing its age anywhere near as much as things like Cinderella. I'm not against it being made it just seems a bit unneeded.
I think the reason I didn’t like this movie was because this originated from a very old story and a movie from the 50s, so I was expecting Disney to fix some of the flaws, for example, the prince still couldn’t remember Cinderella’s face and had to resort to her shoe. I also thought it would be cool if they made the stepsisters beautiful like into the woods to show that you can be pretty on the outside, but nasty on the inside. Like the critic said, Cinderella was made a serving when she was an adult, which makes her situation confusing. I feel like if they poked some fun at the original flaws it might’ve made it a little better
You know compared to other Disney live action remakes this one isn't really too bad by actually feeling a nice update with some good changes rather than just copy-paste everything from the original but worse or in cases like Maleficent and Mulan 2020 make changes that harms the movies. However one change that hurt the film was how Cinderella was portrayed because for some reason this "strong, independent" woman character needs to be in just to appeal to the female fanbase which irritates me because this character type is hard to relate with because they lack flaws that we could sympathize with and it makes them boring to watch. This happened with Rey in the Sequel Trilogy and the Mulan character in the remake which i consider to be one of the worst Disney movies ever made.
'Cinderella is traditionally sexist.''The male lead traditionally has no character development.' Love it when people say these traditional stories are sexist because of how they treat female characters, when it's not like the princes in these stories have anything to them either. When everything's traditional cookie cutter, I think it's better to call a story simple than sexist.
The animated movie didn't need to be remade. I really liked it when I was a kid and I still really like it. I felt so bad for her when her bitchy step sisters tore her dress apart.
+Rachel Wagner To each one's own. Personally, though this is pretty petty, I would prefer a Cinderella with red hair. Not for this version, because I know the Disney Cinderella is a blonde, but there's never been a screen (tv or film) adaption with a ginger Cinderella. I think it would add another layer or so to her underdog because it would really mark her out as unrelated to the stepfamily (and bring a new slew of insults) and as red hair is the rarest natural hair color, Cinderella would really stand out at the ball and catch the Prince's attention more.
+harrietamidala1691 There is anime called Snow White with the Red Hair. It's not Cinderella, but if you want the next best thing as far red-haired protagonists in fairy tales go...
+Julio Leal As I said before, I was not insisting that Cinderella be a red hair for the 2015 film (as much I'd like to, but that's not how people see Disney's Cinderella). I was thinking of a whole new vision of Cinderella entirely. I was imaging the stepfamily being made up of blondes or brunettes or a mix, and how having red hair would really mark Cinderella out as unrelated and justify their mistreatment because she's not family (there's a trope called the Red-headed stepchild precisely about this). I'm a really big fan of Cinderella and I have read or seen different versions of the tale that I have development my own take on the story that is both honors the fairy tale and gives it more depth and character development that can be more appealing to adults. More so than what the movie gave me, but it is what it is. I'll post it all later because I've got things do to do now.
One of my biggest problems with this movie was that it couldn't pick a time line for the step mother and sisters. While everyone else seemed in same old fairytale time line suddenly the sisters (or worse yet and more often) the mother would be wearing clothing of the early 1900s which is supposed to be like centuries away judging by the rest of the world they show. The hell, are they time time travellers or something?
I actually really liked this film. I agree that it's not a perfect update, and there were a few bits the animated film did better (namely the slipper/attic finale as you mentioned), but I think the film's strengths ultimately outweigh the flaws. I do agree though too that Ever After is probably the best version of the Cinderella story.
I love the family comedy Ella Enchanted. It's cheesy, pop culturey and plays out a little bit like a pantomime. But the characters are fleshed out, funny, original, memorable and strong. Anne Hathaway's version of Cinderella is a feisty debater who is strongly against the King's use of turning the giants and elves into slaves to the kingdom, but she also has an affliction given to her at birth by her Fairy Godmother who completely crap at her job. She gives her the gift of obedience which means literally anything you tell her to do, she will do it. So there's a reason why she becomes a slave to her abusive family, and she does run away but someone tells her to "Halt!" She has no choice but to let herself be captured. I highly recommend it, it's a great, fun filled movie.
the point of her singing to herself after she was locked in wasn't that she was waiting to be rescued, it was that she was content with NOT being rescued at all. She was strong enough to realize that maybe this wasn't gonna work out for her, but she still had the wonderful memories to hold on to. Plus, he completely skipped the part where she stands up to her step mother saying she'd rather live a miserable life than let her harm the prince and take control of the kingdom. I'd certainly say that's a pretty strong thing to do. Normally I agree with Doug, but I think he kinda missed the point on this one.
"She was strong enough to realize that maybe this wasn't gonna work out for her, but she still had the wonderful memories to hold on to" That's still giving up though, and it shows that she doesn't really have any ambition to do anything, which makes her a pretty boring character. "Plus, he completely skipped the part where she stands up to her step mother saying she'd rather live a miserable life than let her harm the prince and take control of the kingdom" but that's the only thing she does.
@@f1s53r You don't have to be ambitious to be interesting. Why can't you be content with what you have? I don't see why critics nowadays expect female characters to be these badass women who take charge of everything. Feminism today has taught young girls that being feminine and soft spoken result in weak women, which isn't true at all. Being a badass warrior or becoming a stay at home mom both result in strong women, and it's really sad that people can't see that anymore. It wasn't about her giving up on the Prince, it was about her realizing that maybe to dream that being with the Prince was not realistic and that it was worth it to sacrifice her own happiness and hold on to her memories of him rather than causing more trouble for him by trying to get rescued. She wanted to protect the prince from her stepmother and if the only way of doing that was to sacrifice herself, then she was willing to do that. How does that make her a boring and weak character? "That's the only thing she does"? I'd say that's a lot for her, especially since she holds her values so dearly and would never lash out at anyone, no matter how bad she was treated. And that's isn't the only time we see her stand up to her stepmother. We see throughout the movie her kind exterior break a little from her stepmother, but ultimately holds on to that goodness when others would've resorted to bitterness. The stepmother is a perfect example, she wasn't strong enough to hold on to the happiness she once had, which is why she becomes so evil. This is exactly why Cinderella is such a strong character.
Awesome music choice for this one :-D hadn't heard an orchestral version of the Hungarian Rhapsody before, so that's another thing to get for my iPod. The original score is just too sappy, a reflection of those ten first minutes, making you drown in syrup. Thank you for the video, you made my day.
The "Strong, Independent Woman" is getting so old for me. Can't a girl just for once be scared? She doesn't always have to be some kind of spy/soldier/heroine. It's like they're saying that a woman has no worth unless she can kick butt and that's not right. Sometimes a woman can be a great character just by being kind, loving, or passionate. Mrs. Brisby from the Secret of Nimh was a great female lead. She didn't want to be a heroic warrior, she just wanted to protect her kids. She wasn't smart or strong, she was just determined and was driven by her love for her children.
Female characters don't have to be Sarah Connor to be strong or independent. That's not really what Critic meant by it. Characters can be strong just simply for having endurance and keeping their head up even in the most turbulent situations, or by working through all their flaws and overcoming their struggles, be it internal or external. They can be brave but also have moments of fear and vulnerability, that's what makes them compelling and relatable. Like how you mentioned Mrs. Brisby. It was her determination as a mother that made her strong. This doesn't just apply to female characters, but to all characters in general
What about Riley from _Inside Out_ ? I say she's pretty well developed. I honestly don't get why it's so hard to write good female characters when freakin' *Pixar* can do it.
That's why I like Elizabeth from BioShock Infinite. She's a smart, rounded character who still needs to be protected since she spent her whole life in a tower.
I honestly like it when a character is scared ore emotionally vulnerable but still has the courage to act. An example I like comes from the game "Persona Q Shadow of the Labyrinth" in the form of the Character Ray. That game is this big crossover of these two casts of bad ass heroes who get trapped in this mysterious world and have to work there way through Labyrinths filled with blood firsty monsters called shadows. Now the Heroes have been fighting shadows fore a while so fore them its basicly business as usual but Ray (an original Character from PQ) is really scared of the Labyrinths and I like that because it makes sense. But she goes with the heroes and helps them fighting there way through it because she wants to return with them to there world. I found that pretty cool. She is gameplay wise not even a full character by herself. She and here friend Zen are in gameplay one character that share one pool of HP and SP and one action per turn with Zen performing the offensive skills while Ray helps with healing and buffs.
The fact that by herself she would not even be able to fight makes it to even more impressive that she got the courage to go in to these monster infested Labyrinths. And she is (in my opinion) just a really likeable and endearing Character.
Another example is this sword master lady from a novel I read. She is presented as this noble legendary warrior whos name is as famous as that of the emperor but its latter revealed that she is actually scared of thunder and lighting. But that did not stop here from fighting a bunch of monsters in a storm. While she owns them like a total boss she latter returns to here travel companions hideout shaking and shivering like scared little kid. I just like that. And she is just overall written in a very compelling manner.
I also agree with this as well
I honestly loved how in the original cinderella animation when we all think the stepmother doomed cinderella's life after breaking the shoe. Cinderella pulls out the other shoe like a boss.
+destinyawaitsx3
That was the first "FUCK YEAH!!" reaction I ever had to a film.
I legitimately liked the OG Cinderella.
Fun fact: Walt Disney said Cinderella was his favorite Disney princess because he related with her situation of always working hard and wanting more from life.
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It is kinda infuriating how people thought that the original Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty(ok they have a point here), etc. are portrayed as weak. Snow White took care of 7 quirky, annoying as hell dwarves for a long time, like they were her iwn children. Cinderella was being abused by her step mother, and she still managed to be so charming and taking everything in her stride, and still do her chores, and it was at a moment of total despair that drove her to break down.
These are signs of strength, just not what we associate with strength today. It was the 1st half of the 20th century, women were expected to be good, caring mothers with great people management skills, not sword-wielding "badasses" who break tradition and all that nonsense.
Fuck modern day feminist logic.
He was a Cinderella story himself
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Another fun fact : Walt Disney's all film adaptations of classic fairy tales were so influential that after his versions of those tales practically replaced the original stories .A lot of stuff we associate with those fairy tales are in fact Walt Disney's ideas that shaped the public's perception of those tales ... They can still be re-told ,if people made research ... Cause Walt Disney changed quit a lot of things from the stories he adapted ( in terms of characters and their interactions wit one another ,and how the events play out in the story ,plush original subplots and characters )
"Could she have left at any time?"
No. She couldn't have. She was a serf. She was legally bound to stay there. If she left, she would become a vagabond. People say this is a sexist fairy tale, but what they forget is the time period it came from. It was a really awful time and in Cinderalla's case, waiting for somebody to rescue her was really was the only thing she could legally do. As you said in a different review "It's the dark ages, it sucks for everyone."
But they maybe should have explained that and not just say "I don't want to leave, this is my father's place".
Fiction doesn't follow real life law.
@@PikminandOatchi That justifies the existence of fairies and such, but stories are always a reflection of their time. They are written by people and they write what they believe is "realistic" within the framework of their fantasy.
@@PikminandOatchi In this case ( and a lot old fairy tales ) it did .Those stories were greatly influenced by the cultural norms of the times they were written at
@@sailorcat thats why it makes sense in the animated one and it doesn't make sense in the live action
I watched this movie with my mother, expecting very little but willing to give it a try based solely on Brannagh's involvement... and I found it to be lovely.
Even my mother was surprised at how engaging it was, and we came out of it with extremely positive feelings about pretty much every aspect of it.
+Etaukan Same! I was originally just going to enjoy the short but my mother wanted to see the movie so I stayed with her, but I actually ended up enjoying it! Where I found the original story to be bland and (to be honest I dislike almost every song from that movie) this one was simple storytelling but done right! Yea neither version of Cinderella's character has impressed me so far, but every other character in the movie was entertaining and some even funny! (the royal portrait painter scene has become an inside joke between my mother and I, one of very few we have)
Similar story with me
Original Cinderella: Drew the message of the importance of being kind and hanging in there from the characters and story.
Live Action Cinderella: Count the number of times the film flat out explains the message.
*Take a shot
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario You'd die from alcohol poisoning in the first half hour
It's a problem that a lot of new "feminist" screenwriters have with writing female leads. They see "strong female characters" and they think that it means writing strong females. It doesn't. It means writing strong characters who happen to be female. Characters who have personality, strengths, and flaws, who have a voice of their own within the film. It doesn't refer to characters who are just good at things. That's not interesting. And, by all means, let her be girly or feminine if you want - give her girl things about her. Just make utterly sure that the femininity is an element of the character while not wholly defining her - the driving force of the character should be people things, not girl things.
Exactly! That's why I like Riley from _Inside Out_ - she's actually a relatable character, and the story doesn't hinge on her gender in any way whatsoever.
Strenghth is a trait that exsists with men and women. These feminsit jist want the females to dominate men. Idk why but thats ehat they want.
I couldn't agree more! I'm a woman, and I like strong female characters, but I don't like how "strong female characters" are written nowadays. Maybe some of them are okay, but kinda half-assed at actually being good characters. Basically, a strong woman is not someone who says she's strong and a woman, how about a strong character who happens to be a woman? Excellent way to word it, by the way. ;) And no, I also don't like the idea that they're trying to make women dominate men. Neither gender should be trying to dominate the other. We can all be strong, man or woman. Why not just let that naturally play out in female leads?
@@AishaVonFossen Your words are strong and wise, as Obi-Wan would put It.
@@mariairlete6754 Aww, thank you, friend! ☺️
Worth mentioning Cinderella saves the day. Remember in the original when the Stepmother destroys the slipper and the Duke brakes down, Cinderella shows them the other slipper saving the day and earning her happy ending. So Cinderella is a strong independent hard working woman in the original. She doesn’t need to be blissful nor rude and believing all men are bad to be a role model.
I think it just nice to see Rob Stark get a happy ending.
I would say more of Alucard getting his happy ending
@DragonRider That sounds like a Godfather spinoff.
I like the animated movie better.
+MegaSoulhero It's a classic
+MegaSoulhero Practically everyone likes the animated movie better.
I have to still see this one, but I think I will always love the 1950 version the best. Ilene Woods was the perfect choice for Cinderella.
+MegaSoulhero If you look at it right, it can be viewed as a very good hentai movie. I've made 6 Cinderella pillows and we've had massive orgies with my pet squid. It's so hot sometimes. Sometimes they cry but I correct that.
+MegaSoulhero I never really liked the animated one, but even I could tell you it'd be better than the live action one XD
I don't understand how Cinderella should've been 'stronger' here. Yes, she's a bit of a pushover, but otherwise she was fine imo. Does every female character need to be a kick-ass warrior/independent sass machine in order to be acceptable these days?
Apparently.
+ᛁᚼᛁ Hail Winter-chan ᛁᚼᛁ Honestly, everyone is overreacting these days due to political correctness and such. I only hope that it doesn't worsen.
+ᛁᚼᛁ Hail Winter-chan ᛁᚼᛁ Did you actually watch the video? He never said she should have been a warrior, he said she should have been more proactive and had more character.
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No, but the character shouldn't be air headed and shallow. Sure there are girls like that, most of them just play it up, but in our day and age, we shouldn't just write them as dependent and needy damsels. This really could've been the film that showed that a female character can be strong, independent, yet humble and kind, but really just settled for explaining what she isn't instead of focusing on what she is
He should take a look at Cinderella 3, Cinderella kicks ass is that one.
It's a really good movie.
+Satoshi Katsumoto ... wait what?
Is it actually good?
Otimo Yeah, one of the step sisters has a really good character arc, Cinderella's more active and the climax is really cool.
Satoshi Katsumoto Hmm Guess I'll check it out
Otimo It's pretty cool, the songs are kind of forgettable but the character arcs are good.
Ever After is definitely the best version of Cinderella. I loved it so much it was the first movie I ever bought for myself. I'd love to see you do a critique of the movie, just because it IS so good.
The stepmother from the original will always be the best evil stepmother, her poised, and calm animations are just so unnerving, and I can never forget that state she gave Cinderella before locking her door.
The original Cinderella is a survivor ,this one is a dumb-ass ... Walt Disney was one of the best story tellers of the 20th century ... That's not an opinion ... it's a FACT.
I'm getting sick people calling these princess characters and stories sexist. How the fuck are are they sexist? They're just fantasies. Some girls enjoy the fantasy of a strong handsome prince rescuing them. Yeah, its an old dumb cliche, but plenty of girls actually like it. Why else would these stories have such a lasting impact? To me personally, it all depends on how well the characters and story are handled. This trope can and has been done well. You people are all trying to "rescue" women from something they don't necessarily need rescuing from. I'm not anti-strong independent women characters. In fact, I really don't think there are nearly enough out there. I'm just not entirely anti-damsel in distress. I'm tired of seeing these harmless fantasies being condemned for their misogyny, when there are plenty of girls who enjoy this stuff
+Stuff I Made Productions two main points: The first is the most obvious, that this woman needs a man to come save her and make her life perfect, and she just needs to be good and accept whatever shit comes her way until then. That plotline is inherently a bit sexist, but it's not really something to be bothered about on its own. A film has the right to use that plotline without getting a ton of shit.
The problem, as is true in most social justice cases, is in the aggregate. Trends, rather than specifics. There is so much more media where there's a damsel in distress than there is where there's a strong female lead. So people get a bit prickly whenever a movie adds more onto that first pile while the second remains so much smaller. The more blatant it is, the more prickly they get.
Honestly after watching some of Disney's other live-action remakes I got to say this remake is probably one of the better ones I seen
I was wondering if you would mention Ever After, that was my favorite movie as a kid. Now I need to go watch it again!
I wonder. Which Disney's animated sequel does Doug finds to be the worse?
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+Marcus Vinicius Quintas Filho : 'Brother Bear' has to be in there.
+Sky79 brother bear has a sequel?!
+Jimbo Green its quite bad
+Marcus Vinicius Quintas Filho Cars 2
I didn't really have much of any expectations for this movie, my dad and I went to the theater and chose it on a whim. I was a little worried it was going to come off too young, but it actually worked with me. I thought it was cute and that they did a pretty decent job. My favorite part was probably the updated step-mother. (Of course, any additions to the prince would've been better than the original, haha, so that was nice too.) The actress did amazing and the role was very well written. I loved seeing her struggle and her emotions, you could really see where she was coming from and why she made the decisions she did. I was more distracted by her at the ending than the ending itself. How tragic! I felt sorry for her.
+PimpManFan The movie makes it clear that Cinderella would have ended up like Lady Tremaine had she not hold to her believe of kindness and courage. That's a scary thought.
The Frozen Fever short that came before the movie was honestly much better and interesting.
except the only thing good about that short was the Baymax Snowgie, and Hans getting his face smashed in Horseshit. That's it, cause it was just one long Music Video
That short was incredibly annoying.
aquapyro1
I didn't say that it was great,all I said is that it was more interesting and fun to watch.
+kristof gergely I personally disliked it. I didn't really see the point of it aside from maybe revealing more of what Elsa's powers can do but by god that one lyric "A cold never bothered me anyway" was VERY cringe worthy.
Alisha Dee
I agree.
I may like the short but it is flawed.But I will take it over the Cinderella movie.
I really feel like the godmother's test is actually needed here. If she would still provide kindness at her most vulnerable and possibly where anyone would break.
When I was telling my friends about the movie I said " The stepmom was fun, the stepsisters were funny, Helena Bonham Carter is amazing and the costumes are gorgeous. But Cinderella was dumb and that was a problem"
Personally, I loved this movie. It humanized so many characters, and I ESPECIALLY love what they did with Lady Tremaine. You really see how she isn't pure evil; she was once a loving wife with a wonderful life, but everything was taken away from her, and she didn't have the courage to make her goodness last through it, which differentiates her from Cinderella. And honestly, I do like Cinderella here. She's not quite as good as the original, but she works well with the movie in my opinion.
Plus the scenes where she sees that she'll never find love again since her second husband still loves his deceased wife are heartbreaking
I think both movies are a tie both have flaws ...but both also has good qualities.. lady tremane for me wasnt a good update the original step mother did enjoy being evil but it wasnt without purpose. She hated Cinderella because she couldnt understand someone being better than her daughters it was jealousy the difference between the two is the original step mother was in denial amd saw her daughters as perfect everything they did badly made her proud lol so subconsciously she hated Cinderella because she broke that fantasy..the new stepmother actually noticed her daughters weren't talented so to me it made no sense for her to treat Cinderella badly...what was the purpose? Because cinderella showed courage ? But when? When was she courageous she was only kind ..she showed more courage to escape in the animated version.. plus I did find her updated story very interesting but they executed it lousy they lead us on to believe there was something deeper into why she was so evil and all that build up fell through because they gave the vaguest answer ever ... " because things never worked out in her life??? Shes not starving shes in a nice house and is considered a lady in her time period ..nothing to do with Cinderella..she threatened her in no way.. it didnt make sense.. if your going to add more twist to a character either see it all the way through and go all out or dont share much..the original didnt share much which made it simple they had a good idea with the new lady but fell through in the end..
Unpopular opinion, but I loved this version. I recognize it's flawed (what movie isn't), but as a survivor of child abuse myself I thought it was beautiful that she never lost her kindness and joy - that she was never hardened by her circumstances. To me that's a sign of real strength. (Of course other abuse survivors may disagree.) And the scene where her dress is transformed? I cried.
+The Jenna Pearl What do you mean unpopular. It's the most common opinion.
Same
@@0deadx21 ugh
THIS Cinderella didn't suffer any child abuse since the stepmother was introduced when she was practically an adult .Which is a stupid change because it greatly reduces the Stepmother's influence over Cinderella ... In this version Cinderella had the perfect childhood which is completely antithetical to the entire story ...She doesn't suffer nearly in this as she does in the 1950's version,which is vastly superior in almost every way.
I don't know what you're talking about. I felt a lot more emotion from this version than the original, such that I was tearing up when the news of her dad's death came. Something the original never managed to do. I just empathized with this version more and enjoyed her optimism and the subtle decay of it.
Ever After is the best Cinderella movie hands down.
I'm so 50/50 on this movie. It's visually stunning and made me feel so magical. But like Doug and his brother Rob say, Cinderella has taken a huge step back in this remake. Animated Cinderella had more layers than live-action Cinderella. Ani-Cindy got angry, joked, had a lil attitude as well as being kind. L-A Cindy is kind, got sad once and doesn't try to fight against or behind the step-mother at all. The fact that she's just singing, dancing and all happy being locked in the attic is INSANE! Ani-Cindy at least tried and WANTED to get out! Yes, the mice helped too in the animated movie and L-A Cindy didn't really have that, but still! This is what bugs me about the live-action remake.
my main question is why? was that in such a desperate need for a remake?
+strubbery g Maybe it was to celebrate it's 65th year of being made.
that's fine, but there was not a lot changed from the original. at least from what I've seen as a guy who didn't see the movie.
+strubbery g Money. But in all honesty, yes. That's what a lot of people ask Disney. Why the need to do Live Action of animated classics? Worse, they totally miss the point. Maleficent was a dud, this one is a less dud, but still a dud.
+Antonio Francisco Magaña Gómez maleficent could be magnificent, but they never knew what they want to do: maleficent as a child? as a teen? as a witch? before the course? parallel story to the fairy tale? the truth behind it? instead of focusing on one of those elements and fully develope it, they decide to do them all at once. and just to make us more salty they couldn't align the story with the original tale. I hate this movie...
+strubbery g There's nothing wrong with another adaptation of one of the greatest fairy tales of all-time...
Please review Ever After. I like that one.
+vm141789 Love Ever After!
It's not a Disney film. The reference in this and other videos is about as close as he can get.
Aaron O'neil I didn't mean for Disneycember. I meant a Nostalgia Critic review.
vm141789 Me too. It's a good movie. There'd be point. Reviews of good movies by the Critic are rare and usually take more the form of an analysis of why it's so praised (like Mad Max). Ever After is a good film, but not one really prominent enough to warrant an NC review. A straight Doug Walker review or Sibling rivalry maybe, but those are usually done on more recent films. Despite what many say, these reviews are still supposed to focus on crap, whether old or recent.
+vm141789 Ever After sucks. That film totally hates the Cinderella story to the core.
I actually thought this version of Cinderella was better than the original version. Sure, it didn't innovate the story of Cinderella that much, but the way the story was executed made this movie stand out. I thought everything was more interesting and more fun to watch because of all the updates they did. Also, I think Cate Blanchett was born to play Lady Tremaine.
+Jack Stevenson she might have been born to play the role, and ill admit ive only seen clips from the movie, but she was PAINFUL to watch. The original Lady Tremaine was one of the most despicable Disney Animated villains, as we all know......thats up against some pretty stiff competition, even though she doesnt do an incredible amount of actions
+Jack Stevenson I think the best Cinderella was the animated series Grim Fairy Tale Classy. All of the characters had big development and more interesting than ever. Heck, Cinderella was the one that has to come to the castle with the animal's help while being chase by the step mom's hunter. Also, there is no Fairy God Mother but only her animal and a tree friends helped her before the balls.
***** She's not a Mary Sue, if she was she wouldn't have done a third of the stuff she did.
Yea I kinda agree
Lol you have the sense of taste of a piece of crap 😂😂
Cinderella had a friends who wanted her to escape the abusive family and would have helped her. So why does she stay?
Something that made me laugh in this was when the fairy godmother went "I must change your dress" and Cinderella is like "No you can't its my mother's" so the godmother asks to update it a little, which Cinderella agrees to and results in a complete changing of the dress that Ella doesn't bat an eyelash at 😂
Messing up the title character is like messing up the turkey in a Thanksgiving dinner. They had the mashed potatoes, macaroni and cheese, the roasted brussels sprouts, the cranberry sauce, the crisp apple pie, and all the drinks ready and perfected, the table all set up and ready, but one idiot in the family decided to try and deep fry the turkey, and the whole house burned to the ground, and now the family has to eat Chinese food.
I think by ruining the title character, it wastes all the effort put into this movie because the people behind it talked hard about how they were making a more outgoing and empowering heroine, but they actually went the opposite direction with her! They actually went as far as to promote toxic personality habits to separate itself from the original movie, and no amount of work around that will make it better.
I'm making a video on Cinderella as a character and how and why people blame her or dismiss her, and I think one big reason behind it is movies like this and how it was marketed.
I watched Into the Woods recently, and I found the musical number with Cinderella on the steps better than this entire movie. Still love the animated film better.
I was surprised to see that Cinderella from Into the Woods was actually more interesting than the Cinderella from her own movie!
+Trophies Indeed, and that version of Cinderella is an older version (the stage show of Into the Woods has been around since the late 1980s).
*THIS COMMENT CONTAINS A SPOILER FOR "INTO THE WOODS"* (I just wanted to give a warning for those who wanted to see the movie)
When I saw it, I was laughing when they _actually_ included the stepsisters cutting their heels/toes off to fit into the slipper!
+Jacob M. Keene That kept the dark aspects of "Aschenputel" while this one had the good ones...
+00ammy00 TRUE! musicals are a guilty pleasure of mine, and that looked good enough so i went to see it. AND IT WAS GOOD! a nice surprise from 2014
I tried SO hard to love this movie. I felt like it was the same story that been told a thousand times with very few new things to keep it fresh. My mom and I absolutely love Disney, but when we left the theater, we looked at each other and we were like: "That was the lamest Cinderella story ever told." We agreed that there was very little ideas brought to this classic story to keep it fresh and amazing. Even the wonderful cast and beautiful animation couldn't save the movie.
+SonicxAmyfan4Life How about the fact that this is the only Cinderella film to truly know the lesson of the fairy tale.
That "Have courage and be kind" quote always seemed to bug me for reason as it was the only thing that Cinderella lived by. How that should have worked if Cinderella was still kind to many decent people but to her step sisters and step mother, she should have had the courage to stop taking all the abuse and say "No. I'm sick of you and your daughters treating me in such a horrible way. Well, you won't be doing it anymore because I've had enough, so FUCK YOU!!!".
I know that we can't have Cinderella swear in a Disney film but that would have been cool to see her do that.
my favorite Cinderella is the one with Brandy
that was a good one
+brianna hughes I love everything about that version. The queen and the guy played by Jason Alexander are so hilarious!
+brianna hughes Yes! Great songs, great acting, and the characters were all very interesting.
+brianna hughes It's a stupid, stupid film that doesn't take anything seriously and makes fun of the whole concept.
+brianna hughes YES!!!!!!
They don't need to make love action versions of their animated ones. They're just trying to make more money and their projects just feel soulless
+Anna C You must be fun at parties...
+MacyPooh196 How is Cinderella soulless.
+MacyPooh196 of course they don't NEED to, they don't NEED to do anything. Nobody really NEEDS to do anything at all, but there are plenty of things it's a good idea to do anyway. The old animated movies really could use remakes. The animation is getting dated, as are the characters. I'm not saying that they should be replaced, and I'm not saying what we're getting from these remakes are good, I'm just saying that updating some of their most famous IPs with modern technology and sensibilities is a pretty good idea. The movies we've actually gotten though? Kinda soulless, yeah.
Android 19 If they aren't going to do it out of love, and rather do it to show off impressive sets and costumes rather over character development then they shouldn't try it. They don't need to be made unless they care about it.
Thanks Doug for the review. I agree the development in this is very good,especially the cinematography. You forgot the costume design which was fabulous.
I bet you anything that most people went to see this just to see Frozen Fever in the beginning.
Ever After has yet to be eclipsed as my favorite version of Cinderella.
+JulianGreystoke It's a stupid movie with awful visuals, a bitchy protagonist and it mocks the original fairy tale.
Ever After it's not perfect ... The third act felt quit forced and some of the dialogue it's cringe ...It's one of the better re-imaginings and an enjoyable film ... But the truth is that it draws heavy inspiration from Walt Disney's take on Cinderella instead of Perrault's ( which is quit different in term of how the characters are described and how the events of the story play out .For example : in Perrault's version the ball lasts for 2 nights,Cinderella interacts with the step sisters at the ball and back at home they won't stop talking about that mystery girl to which Cinderella pretended to be completely oblivious of ,and she is wearing a golden dress with precious stones and pearls attached to the fabric instead of the white silver she wears in the original 1950's version ,which was turn to blue when the Disney Princesses became a franchise in the early 2000's because if they'd kept in the white silver color it would look like as if little girls were wearing wedding dresses ... In Perrautl's tale the father is still alive but completely submissive to the step mother,Perraut emphasizes Cinderella's kindness and at the end she forgives the stepsisters and she sets them off with two handsome lords and they also live in the palace with her.Walt Disney emphasized Cinderella's optimism which Perrautl's has non off, she's described as very pessimistic,Walt also adds the element of the hopeful dreamer to Cinderella,and the subplot of her mother's dress which Ever After borrows from ,along side the mice as main companions which in the book she had no companion ... She had white doves in Grimm's, which is were Walt took the inspiration from .Turning the mice that Cinderella finds in a mouse trap and the fairy godmother turns into horses in Perrault's ,and making them Cinderella's companions .The stepsisters were drawn as unattractive in the Disney version to cut on the animation budget since it was way easier to animate their faces,mean while the only version where their described in terms of physical appearance is in Grimm's " Beautiful of face but with stone black hearts'' .In fact in illustrations made for both Grimm's and Perrault's Cinderella they are very good looking ... )
My favorite Cinderella adaptation will always be the made-for-tv version of the Rogers & Hammerstein musical with Brandy and Whitney Huston. You have an interesting Cinderella, a fleshed out Prince, and really, really fun side characters. PLUS great music!
Doug should really review that one!
Watch the Cinderella anime..The best retelling of the story ever.
+AHMED ALBOHAMAD is that an anime joke, or is there an actual anime?
+Mariokemon Holy Shit its true its called 'the story of cinderella'
+Mariokemon its real, and its very good. even if you dislike anime in general id highly reccomend it.
+AHMED ALBOHAMAD Yeah, they expand the original tale into a full series epic, with Cinderella going on adventures with the Prince who is undercover as a peasant.
+Gaucelm de Villaret that is literally the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
You want independent Cinderella? A Cinderella Story. By far the best Cinderella I have seen.
I almost completely forgot this movie existed, but you actually made it sound pretty decent.
Honestly I feel this film adds on to what the original was missing. And when they tear apart her mother's dress, the greatest impact was when the stepmother insults her dead mothers taste, insult to injury. I didn't care for the secret garden scene. My ultimate favorite scene from the original is the chase scene when time runs out. It's a trade off to me. Still enjoy the original greater though.
I only went to see this movie because "Frozen Fever" was playing before it.
I just waited til the shorts DVD came out
+Aza Smith Yeah, no.
When Cinderella gets her happy ending, at least her parent's house is back in her possession, but I must admit I found it not a good reason to stay when she would be living in the palace mostly anyway. I'm so glad you saw the original Disney Cinderella got angry and frustrated, and she had sass, too. But what I also loved about her was her warm goodness, and this live-action Cinderella also has a shining goodness that keeps me interested. The prince also had goodness, like her. Also, I saw both Cinderellas trying to get happier situations by trying to make their dresses for the ball. And Cinderella riding her horse away from her step-family when they get very cruel I saw as trying to escape for a little bit.
I think the parent-figures were almost treated worse than cinderella's character. it made no sense how the king just accepted it all out of the blue on his death bed. that can't have been genuine, that's not how a father or a king whose kingdom is on the brink of collapse should behave, by just letting his overly naive son do whatever the hell he wants without any back-up plan or anything. the same goes to cinderella's mother. how in the whole world does a good mother on her death bed just say to be kind to everyone, almost claiming that everybody else is as pure and good-hearted as their little family? that's one hell of a bad mother lol
Brandi was in a production of Cinderella that pretty much addresses all your comments about this 2015 production. It's a little campy, lots of color, but if you don't mind the over the topness, it's a much better adaption of the story. We loose the younger step sister's development, but we get the magic back, so your thoughts might differ.
Cinderella should "just leave"? Where would she go? All she has in this world is one dress and one pair of shoes. Sure, she has friends in the village but they're servants! They'd barely be able to just get her a job and servants don't exactly have huge living spaces so they may not even be able to give her shelter
This post explains it best, I think:
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+Vakas Hussain That's also my biggest issue with this complaint. Like she has no money of her own and there is NO WAY her stepmother would just give her any to be able to support herself. She could attempt to get an apprenticeship, but like that isn't established as a thing that women can get in that world (although I guess it could have if they went that way, considering it's a fairy tale world).
Also I just wanted to say that I'd come away from the movie thinking that the scene where Cinderella is locked in the attic and then sings is done in a way that shows that she's just given up. She doesn't dance during that scene, she just sits on the window sill and sings a song her mother used to sing to her because she has officially given up trying to appease her stepmother while also trying to have a happy and fulfilling life of her own. This movie is far from perfect, but I always thought that scene worked in a way that showed she wasn't waiting for the prince to save her, but just that she really didn't know what else to do with herself. She'd exhausted all of her efforts to become a part of a family that clearly never wanted her, and the matriarch of that family had taken everything from her. Her singing was a way for her to remind herself of a better time, not because she was happy, but because she was so sad that she had no other way of comforting herself.
Yes, that was my interpretation of the attic scene, too! I usually agree with Nostalgia Critic's reviews or I can at least see where they're coming from but there was so much wrong with this argument that "Cinderella should've just left" and the worst thing is that it's one of the most common complaints among critics of the film.
Vakas Hussain Yeah we definitely would've needed more world building to believe that she could just leave and make it on her own, but in general I didn't think we really needed more world building so it could've easily just been overkill so that this Cinderella could...idk "take her fate into her own hands" I guess.
It's better to be a servant in other place than to be in a abusive family.
Yeah, like Doug addressed in this video, I didn't like how the Stepmother came into Cinderella's life when she's an adult as opposed to a child--there would be more time for Cinderella to fall into an abusive situation where she can't get out and internalized the negativity. Although I do resent the whole "why doesn't she leave?" because I believe Cinderella is partially about domestic abuse and how you don't just "leave" because you've been conditioned that you are nothing without the abuser in your life (kinda like Frollo and Mother Gothel). Also, Cinderella is living in a less progressive time where women did not have a lot of options and if she left, she could be worse off--at best she could be a beggar or join a nunnery for shelter, or at worst be a prostitute (although she could still offer her housework skills for pay).
I just wish Disney would realize that if they're going to update their movies they should actually UPDATE them. There was nothing new in the movie worth mentioning at all! The new live action versions are playing out exactly like their pointless animated sequels did years ago. They just keep making the same mistakes! I'd call this movie harmless, but I didn't find anything fun about it. I mean, it has Helena Bonham Carter as the Fairy Godmother and she doesn't get to really do anything outside of what the fairy did in the animated movie! Why? Why have her there if anyone else could be put into the role and there be no difference? I will say this: the movie looks beautiful. Fat lot of good it does when that's all there is to the movie though right? Ok, bitching and moaning done. Thank you Doug, I needed that! Still good to hear your opinion on things!
As far as not leaving, in the time period that they are portraying an unmarried woman had basically no prospects and really could not go off and live alone unless her family provided her with money or a house. Basically, if Cinderella left, she would just have to find a job as a servant in another house doing the same thing. So if your situation won't really change whether you leave or not, and could potentially get worse if you do, it makes sense to want to stay in your father's house and keep a connection to your family and the time when you were happy.
I liked this movie because unlike Meleficent it stayed true to the story and didn't push it with PC agenda. The stepmother received more depths but still stayed a vicious villain like she is in an original and not poor misunderstood victim.
+Alucard BloodyVampire Stopped taking you seriously at 'PC agenda.'
+Alucard BloodyVampire I wouldn't say 'agenda', but it just looked suspicious it was Maleficent lying to get people on her side.
Still, this made more sense than other adaptations. The motivation of the king trying to marry the prince off sounded much better than him just wanting to have grandchildren.
Same lol
Alucard BloodyVampire I still wish they did go more into the abuse Cinderella suffered, showing that while she can leave she's under the emotional grip of her stepfamily.
I think I know why this movie got made: so Robb Stark would finally be able to attend a wedding that doesn't result in a brutal massacre.
I didn't care for the message in this film. Courage, I agree is a good virtue to always have (although our protagonist in this film didn't show much courage at all if you ask me), but you can't always be kind in the real world. There is a time for kindness and a time to stand up for yourself and say or do whatever needs to be said or done regardless whether it is the "kind" thing to do or not. Some people will take kindness for weakness and, sometimes, you have to put your foot down.
the first 10 minutes of the movie is to explain how wonderful her parents were and why she would care so much when they both died. she stays in the house cuz her father tells her to keep her home close to her heart. the one thing I do think you're totally spot-on is when she doesn't fight harder when she's stuck in the Attic that pissed me off a little too. also at the end of the movie they say how the stepmother and sisters moved out ,so they don't say it but maybe Cinderella and the prince bought the house and rented it out to a better deserving family that would still be keeping the house in her heart IDK just a thought
I struggled with Cinderella because the leading lady was soooooo bland and accepted being treated like crap with an "Oh well must keep being good and fair". Where is the complexity?
+Infinite Studios The complexity is how Cinderella and Lady Tremaine inteact with each other, stupid. Speaking of complexity, was there any in the animated film, cuz it was super simple and careless.
I consider this my favourite movie of 2015. I liked the story since I was a kid. In my opinion the 1950's one was good but the 2015 one is ALOT better as all the charcthers are more fleshed out. Kenneth Branagh did me proud. Yes the story has been done to death but hey I loved it.
4/5
+Disney65Fan Thank you.
Lol no. In the 2015 version they made Cinderella a much more stupid and submissive character, causing her actions to make no sense. The original Cinderella was a character with whom you could empathize right away due to the good storytelling of the film. That simplicity of which you speak is in fact a virtue, not a mistake.
what this movie probably should have done, is wait the first breakdown scene, where she realizes she doesn't belong with the family, and save it with the dressripping scene. It could be dubble the drama. First, the fact that she has noone resembling a family, second, the fact that who she's stuck with despise her and legitimately hate her, and third there's the fact that her dress gets ripped, which could be like the Original, very effective.
Well I loved it. A lot of the criticisms you bring up I don't see. I thought they handled the material faithfully and expanded on it well. It's the best of the live action Disney remakes.
Tyler R I was pretty much indifferent towards Alice in Wonderland, hated Oz, and liked Maleficent. So I'm interested in seeing Beauty and the Beast (especially since bae, Emma Watson, is playing the lead 😍).
Tyler R Maybe it'll tell The Beast's story. Not entirely necessary, but at least interesting.
+sonicjrjr14 you're setting the bar pretty low there, to be fair.
Android 19 how?
+sonicjrjr14 the live action Disney remakes have all been terrible, so being better than them is a pretty low bar.
This is why I like the movie "Ever After" directed by Andy Tennant better.
I agree that Ever After is an amazing take on the Cinderella story.
However, if you're still wanting a more traditional take, I'd also recommend the Rodgers & Hammerstein version that originally aired as part of ABC's Wonderful World of Disney. I loved the characters, the atmosphere, and the music. It's probably my personal favorite version of the story.
Yes! Somebody else thinks Ever After is the best Cinderella adaptation!
Ever After is a re-imagining not an adaptation ... And it was greatly influenced by Walt Disney's 1950's Cinderella in terms of how it told the story ... Like the slippers belonging to Daniel's desist mother it's strait out of Disney's adaptation with Cinderella's mother's dress ... Disney made up the whole thing with Cinderella having memorabilia of her mother ,wasn't a part of the story .Also Daniel's father dying at the beginning ,in the written versions he's still alive but completely submissive to the stepmother ...Ever After has a quit flawed narrative but it's an enjoyable film. Walt Disney's it's much closer to the spirit of the Classic fairy tale
This was one of their best live action films
Its so funny and ironic to me. Some people hate Cinderella and those kind of movies because "she is sumisive and weak and its a very sexist movie" (which is not). But i can't STAND this live action version in which they tried to sell a strong Cinderella PRECISELY because she is NOT. She is so weak, so dumb, well Doug explained it really well in the video. I can't stand this movie because of the same reason so many people can't stand the animated one. But they are so wrong with the animated one goddamit
I actually wouldn't mind doug reviewing Ever after to illustrate its success in retelling the cinderella story
+Tim Winkels Ever After is shitty movie. Everything that can go wrong with retelling the Cinderella story, did.
I got a feeling he's not going to get around to Homeward Bound but can he maybe look at it in the post December/missed out videos he dose every year
Finally someone who remembers that movie! ^^
+18Gingasoldier That movie had all the feels. I put this movie in that "feel good" category. Not a fav, but I still enjoy watching it.
Me too! I still have the DVDs for this one and its sequel. I saw both recently, I used to like the second one more as a kid, now it's the first one CX
+TheCardboardClaymore that was one of my favorite movies as a kid
+TheCardboardClaymore OMG! YOU MENTIONED HOMEWARD BOUND! I LOVE THAT MOVIE! :) It's my all time favorite Disney film! :)
On the subject of why she doesn't just leave, think about the time period where this story takes place. Cinderella takes place forever ago (being one of the oldest fairy tales in history) when women couldn't just leave their families and be independent. They were entirely dependent on their families (namely their fathers or whichever male is head of the household) or their husbands. Sure, she probably could get a job as a maid, but would it be any different than her current position with her step family?
In this recent movie, yeah, she has friends who offer her a place to stay, but I'm just talking about the original fairy tale and the time and culture in which it took place.
Thank you!! Just thank you!! I hate this version. The hatred for the animated version I find to be misguided. I don't see it as sexist at all or that she is waiting for a prince. In the very beginning she talks to the dog explaining her situation via a cat vs. dog analogy. It states that everyday is the same and when the movie starts it feels like Cinderella is very close to her breaking point hence why the ball was so important to her. She didn't want to go because of the prince, she wanted to go because she just wanted one day of fun that she could cherish forever. When the night was over she was satisfied, she felt that she can go on. In the animated version and even in Ever After Cinderella was a prisoner in her own home where as in the live action remake Cinderella was just a twirling dumb ass.
I...actually like this one. I mean, it was well acted, the visuals were nice, and I liked how they had the prince and Cinderella meet before the ball, adding a bit more realism to the romance. But I do think it's a bit anti-climactic. I mean, when Cinderella gets locked in her room near the end, the original had a tense sequence where the mice try to get the key to her while being chased by the cat. In the remake, birds open the window and the palace people hear her sing and...yeah, see the problem here?
But if there's one reason I would recommend watching this, it has to be Helen Banham Carter as the fairy godmother. Sure she looks younger than the disney counterpart, but she played the part so well. She was hilarious!
This is certainly a film that surprised me on so many levels because I honestly thought this film was going to suck due to Disney’s track record of remaking their old films being pretty terrible (*cough Maleficent *cough). While I wouldn’t call this film a perfect film by any means as there are a couple of scenes that I do not care for, but this is certainly a remake that somewhat sticks out to me. While “John Carpenter’s The Thing”, one of the best remakes of all time is barely like the film it is like the film it is attempting to remake. This film is very similar to the originally, however I am one of those people who thinks the original is just okay as it suffers from a lot of filler to bogs it down for me. This film over feels like one of those remakes that watched the original and ironed out some of the flaws of the film, while adding enough new smaller stuff that I notice of repeat viewing such as the backstory and imagery. I might do an article on this film on my blog, but in the meantime I will quote my friend in regards to how this film makes me feel “For films like Cinderella 2015, it reminds us of why we NEED stories like these. To inspire hope and optimism in a gloom world.”
I still think the animated version is timeless.
Universal fact: This is MUCH better than Fifty Shades of Grey e.e
Twilight is better than Fifty Shades of Grey. Yeah I said it.
My favorite rendition of the Cinderella is actually from the visual novel PC game called "Cinders". Based on decisions you make, can have her gain the happy ending with the prince...or legally taking back the rights to the father's mansion away from the stepmother...or obtaining enough money to run away from home never looking back...or being sent to jail for poisoning her stepmother.
Honestly it is a lot of fun. Go check it out!
I really liked Lily James as cinderella. XD
+PsyduckWaterflower She's the best Cinderella ever. She truly captured the spirit of the character.
Honestly, the moment he said that the original Cinderella actually showed annoyance and was trying to take everything in stride, I felt like screaming "YES!! THANK YOU!!", because anytime I see descriptions of the character, this side of her is never mentioned, which is sad, because I feel like it makes her more realistic. I still need to watch this new version, but I'm glad to say, without a trace of irony, that Cinderella is one of the Disney Princess I give the most respect.
+turtswing And why the fuck did she showed annoyance? Why? Was there any reason for that?
+0deadx21 It's not that noticeable, true, but it's there, like when Lucifer covers the floor with dust with his paws, she sounds and looks quite frustrated. Also whenever one of her step sisters complains about something and calls her, she responds with a very monotone "yes": it's clear that this situation is hard for her, and she's trying to keep going. I can understand if you didn't notice this, since it IS pretty subtle, but I personally think this makes her a more deep character than she looks.
turtswing No, it's not subtle at all. She just does stuff because the movie's story says so and not because of anything else. Her backstory was 100% pointless, they might as well have never shown it as it told and showed us nothing of value for the rest of the film.
+0deadx21 Hm, fair enough. I just gave my own thoughts on the character, but I respect your own viewpoint. :)
turtswing The fucking problem with having Cinderella orphaned as a child as oppose to already a grown-up is that we're never shown anything. We just time skip about a decade or so later and that's it. Completely an utterly pointless. If you told me she we orphaned a month ago, I'd believe it, because she doesn't give the impression she's been abused for a decade at all. With Cinderella orphaned as a grown-up, it gives a chance to witness Cinderella's character developing throughout everything. We saw how she acted when both her parents were alive, when only her father was alive, when she got a stepfamily, when she was orphaned, and during her transformation from a step-daughter to a house servant. The animated movie offered no such character development, so how the fuck are we suppose to know how to feel about Cinderella when we don't fucking know her properly.
Cinderella (2015) a blue sparkly cupcake
*Takes a bite and HACKS up* "OH GOD THIS IS TERRIBLE!!!!!"
That was idiotic.
0deadx21 you don't get it, I'm saying that the new Cinderella is like a new version of a cupcake like the old one but instead they put sparkles all over it to make it look pretty
The rule free wish muffin from Fairly Odd Parents
The other thing that pisses me off about this version of the story is that in making the Prince and Cinderella meet before the ball, IT MAKES THE ENTIRE SHOE SITUATION ENTIRELY POINTLESS. And that's kind of a big part of the Cinderella fairytale.
Also the side plot of one of the king's assistants and the stepmother working together was really strange and kind of pointless.
+Eerie0Innocence IDIOTS, IDIOTS EVERYWHERE. The prince was in disguise so he was present in the search party but couldn't do or say anything about it.
Has anyone ever seen Cinderella 2 and 3? 2 is just 3 slice of life stories that give the characters development. 3 is a time travel story in which the step mother uses the wand to destroy Cinderella's happy ending. That movie develops the king and the prince greatly. One of her sisters gets a lot of development as well. Cinderella, OMG gets the best character development in both sequels, and the mice are still comedy gold
I think that they are decent sequels that flesh out each character, and they together with the original make this movie redundant, but its harmless and looks nice so its ok.
In my opinion, the second one was bad, the third was great. Nostalgia Chick did a little review of those movie in one of her videos.
I've only seen the second one, I did hear though the third one is great! So I'll check it out :)
The iconic blue dress in this movie had a total of eight versions made, all used depending on what Lily James was doing in the scene in which the dress was worn. For example, one dress was four inches off the ground for her running scene from the ball to the carriage, and another dragged on the ground slightly for her entrance at the ball.
Ever After is wayyyyyyyyyyyy better! Possibly the BEST Cinderella adaptation.
+Fadi Antwan Ever After wasn't a Cinderella adaptation, it was loosely based on the story.
***** Hmm I suppose you're right. Well whatever it is, it tells the Cinderella story best. :D
+Fadi Antwan BULLSHIT. That film mocked everything that made the Cinderella story good. Danielle is such a bitch, and is apperantly not the mentally strong type since forgiveness is too much to ask of her. That wasn't a Cinderella movie, that was some stupid dumb fanfic of some sorts.
***** That's too harsh. Maybe you're just not into the story in general. I've liked all the adaptations I've seen so far.
***** To each his own, but it's a classic beloved by children and adults all over the world for its simple theme of perseverance through the most hopeless situations. That's why it's so popular.
And yet, this is still the best Disney LA remake.
prefer the cartoon over this. Sorry
+Princess Strickland Nostalgia-poisoned, poor decision-making idiot.
+0deadx21 someone's butthurt
I like "The Glass slipper" with Leslie Caron. In that not only is she an out cast to her family, but the whole town puts her down. In that one Cinderella is odd, and passionate. And the fairy godmother is an eccentric, old lady who stole the dress and shoes and she has to be home by midnight so that the carriage driver can get back in time to take his employer home. It was clever and witty. And that Cinderella actually did run away from her family and the prince had to find her.
after the fiasco with aleficent, this movie was EXACTLY what I wanted. A remake of the classical tale now in full actors, with further developtment on characters and great effects. If Disney wants to remake their classics into Live-action, this is the road they should take.
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Maleficent 2? what the fuck!!!? But they also announced Mulan and The Jungle Book, the later looks promising.
+MrKlausbaudelaire Mulan already? That one isn't even that old. It's not showing its age anywhere near as much as things like Cinderella. I'm not against it being made it just seems a bit unneeded.
The road to painful cheesiness which the Disney classics didn't have.
Is it weird that whenever the Fairy Godmother is on screen, I just see Bellatrix cosplaying as Glinda?
So what your saying is, this movie would be better if you swapped the animated Cinderella with the actress.
Yes.
I think the reason I didn’t like this movie was because this originated from a very old story and a movie from the 50s, so I was expecting Disney to fix some of the flaws, for example, the prince still couldn’t remember Cinderella’s face and had to resort to her shoe. I also thought it would be cool if they made the stepsisters beautiful like into the woods to show that you can be pretty on the outside, but nasty on the inside. Like the critic said, Cinderella was made a serving when she was an adult, which makes her situation confusing. I feel like if they poked some fun at the original flaws it might’ve made it a little better
You know compared to other Disney live action remakes this one isn't really too bad by actually feeling a nice update with some good changes rather than just copy-paste everything from the original but worse or in cases like Maleficent and Mulan 2020 make changes that harms the movies. However one change that hurt the film was how Cinderella was portrayed because for some reason this "strong, independent" woman character needs to be in just to appeal to the female fanbase which irritates me because this character type is hard to relate with because they lack flaws that we could sympathize with and it makes them boring to watch. This happened with Rey in the Sequel Trilogy and the Mulan character in the remake which i consider to be one of the worst Disney movies ever made.
'Cinderella is traditionally sexist.''The male lead traditionally has no character development.' Love it when people say these traditional stories are sexist because of how they treat female characters, when it's not like the princes in these stories have anything to them either. When everything's traditional cookie cutter, I think it's better to call a story simple than sexist.
The animated movie didn't need to be remade. I really liked it when I was a kid and I still really like it. I felt so bad for her when her bitchy step sisters tore her dress apart.
I cried so much while watching this movie. Seeing my childhood brought to life just got to me.
I feel like we didn't even see the same movie. I loved the movie and the message of kindness and courage was wonderful.
+Rachel Wagner To each one's own. Personally, though this is pretty petty, I would prefer a Cinderella with red hair. Not for this version, because I know the Disney Cinderella is a blonde, but there's never been a screen (tv or film) adaption with a ginger Cinderella. I think it would add another layer or so to her underdog because it would really mark her out as unrelated to the stepfamily (and bring a new slew of insults) and as red hair is the rarest natural hair color, Cinderella would really stand out at the ball and catch the Prince's attention more.
+harrietamidala1691 Her stepfamily is already redhead-ish so she would´ve blended with them
+harrietamidala1691
There is anime called Snow White with the Red Hair. It's not Cinderella, but if you want the next best thing as far red-haired protagonists in fairy tales go...
harrietamidala1691
I guess you have Merida and Ariel for your red headed Princess delight!
+Julio Leal As I said before, I was not insisting that Cinderella be a red hair for the 2015 film (as much I'd like to, but that's not how people see Disney's Cinderella). I was thinking of a whole new vision of Cinderella entirely. I was imaging the stepfamily being made up of blondes or brunettes or a mix, and how having red hair would really mark Cinderella out as unrelated and justify their mistreatment because she's not family (there's a trope called the Red-headed stepchild precisely about this). I'm a really big fan of Cinderella and I have read or seen different versions of the tale that I have development my own take on the story that is both honors the fairy tale and gives it more depth and character development that can be more appealing to adults. More so than what the movie gave me, but it is what it is. I'll post it all later because I've got things do to do now.
One of my biggest problems with this movie was that it couldn't pick a time line for the step mother and sisters. While everyone else seemed in same old fairytale time line suddenly the sisters (or worse yet and more often) the mother would be wearing clothing of the early 1900s which is supposed to be like centuries away judging by the rest of the world they show. The hell, are they time time travellers or something?
I actually really liked this film. I agree that it's not a perfect update, and there were a few bits the animated film did better (namely the slipper/attic finale as you mentioned), but I think the film's strengths ultimately outweigh the flaws. I do agree though too that Ever After is probably the best version of the Cinderella story.
+Chris Wyatt No, it's not. Ever After is awful in everything it did.
I love the family comedy Ella Enchanted. It's cheesy, pop culturey and plays out a little bit like a pantomime. But the characters are fleshed out, funny, original, memorable and strong. Anne Hathaway's version of Cinderella is a feisty debater who is strongly against the King's use of turning the giants and elves into slaves to the kingdom, but she also has an affliction given to her at birth by her Fairy Godmother who completely crap at her job. She gives her the gift of obedience which means literally anything you tell her to do, she will do it. So there's a reason why she becomes a slave to her abusive family, and she does run away but someone tells her to "Halt!" She has no choice but to let herself be captured. I highly recommend it, it's a great, fun filled movie.
ThatNerdGirl 7 read the book. It's ten times better than the movie!
the point of her singing to herself after she was locked in wasn't that she was waiting to be rescued, it was that she was content with NOT being rescued at all. She was strong enough to realize that maybe this wasn't gonna work out for her, but she still had the wonderful memories to hold on to. Plus, he completely skipped the part where she stands up to her step mother saying she'd rather live a miserable life than let her harm the prince and take control of the kingdom. I'd certainly say that's a pretty strong thing to do. Normally I agree with Doug, but I think he kinda missed the point on this one.
"She was strong enough to realize that maybe this wasn't gonna work out for her, but she still had the wonderful memories to hold on to" That's still giving up though, and it shows that she doesn't really have any ambition to do anything, which makes her a pretty boring character.
"Plus, he completely skipped the part where she stands up to her step mother saying she'd rather live a miserable life than let her harm the prince and take control of the kingdom" but that's the only thing she does.
And that's a bad thing why?
@@f1s53r You don't have to be ambitious to be interesting. Why can't you be content with what you have? I don't see why critics nowadays expect female characters to be these badass women who take charge of everything. Feminism today has taught young girls that being feminine and soft spoken result in weak women, which isn't true at all. Being a badass warrior or becoming a stay at home mom both result in strong women, and it's really sad that people can't see that anymore. It wasn't about her giving up on the Prince, it was about her realizing that maybe to dream that being with the Prince was not realistic and that it was worth it to sacrifice her own happiness and hold on to her memories of him rather than causing more trouble for him by trying to get rescued. She wanted to protect the prince from her stepmother and if the only way of doing that was to sacrifice herself, then she was willing to do that. How does that make her a boring and weak character?
"That's the only thing she does"? I'd say that's a lot for her, especially since she holds her values so dearly and would never lash out at anyone, no matter how bad she was treated. And that's isn't the only time we see her stand up to her stepmother. We see throughout the movie her kind exterior break a little from her stepmother, but ultimately holds on to that goodness when others would've resorted to bitterness. The stepmother is a perfect example, she wasn't strong enough to hold on to the happiness she once had, which is why she becomes so evil. This is exactly why Cinderella is such a strong character.
Awesome music choice for this one :-D hadn't heard an orchestral version of the Hungarian Rhapsody before, so that's another thing to get for my iPod. The original score is just too sappy, a reflection of those ten first minutes, making you drown in syrup. Thank you for the video, you made my day.