6:00 To give more context for this trap (and the movie generally) Before Saw 3D became Saw 3D, it was intended to be two separate (not 3D) films. Saw: The Final Chapter, Parts 1 and 2. What was supposed to happen was, after the shot of Dina hanging gutted, the camera cuts to the chaos of the crowd panicking. Stoically, standing in the back, was John. He would then utter something along the lines of, “If they didn’t know who I was before, they most certainly will now.” It was meant to be Jigsaw’s ‘coming out party’ to the public at large. The twist from this scene would come back in the final act, during the Dr. Gordon montage, where after John says that line, Gordon steps up next to him as another stoic observer. This was John showing his work to Gordon for the first time, much like how he initiated Hoffman. And after Hoffman passed out from Gordon’s syringe, the other two Pigheads would unmask as Brad and Ryan- the survivors of the Love Triangle game in question. All that got royally fucked up when the producers cancelled the plan of eight movies, dropped it to seven, and forced the merger of both scripts into one. The Love Triangle trap became completely pointless and disconnected from everything. Then slapping the hokey 3D gimmick on top, all contributed to the mess that Saw VII came out to be. Should’ve been a much different finale for that era of the franchise.
Someone should be sent to fucking prison for robbing us of that. I say they remake it as the original 2 films it was supposed to be and make things right for “the final chapter”
i found out he's an extra in one of the earlier ones (as a different character than 6) which makes him the only(?) person to play multiple characters in this franchise
hello you saw fiends! i hope you enjoy this seventh installment in the saw analysis, the final of the classic run of the series before a handful of sequels of varying quality and enjoyment. i'll see yall for the first of those, jigsaw, on july 5th :) thank you all for the support, it means the world dalt.
i love how all of these so far have had titles like "WHY SAW #___ IS THE BEST OF ALL TIME" and this one is like WHY SAW 7 WAS GARBAGE lmaooo i love your vids and takes man thanks for making them and sorry youtube is being shitty
i hate this movie soooo much. it's insane. I kind of just pretend it doesn't exist. Jill tucker should not have died the way she did. I hated Hoffman extra hard in this film. Also, the 'victims' just felt so awful so no reason. It was pointed out several times how a lot of the film felt sexist for no reason, especially the first kill making no sense why her shirt was open? like wtf. The last victim (Joyce) was killed just to be killed. Jigsaw never make the iron bull for a rando. It just didnt feel like a Saw film at all. I can rewatch every saw movie but this one Your Saw videos are always super enjoyable to watch.
the overt sexism really just takes the fun out of this all, without it i could pass this off as just hoffman going full slasher. but the constant reminder of what this film is, purely cruel towards women, is just NOT fun
@@ripdalt I know, if it was just rude towards assholes in general it can be a great movie. I dislike the pink blood, really takes you out of it and some more problems
Hard agree. I don't think Dalt mentions it specifically (there's so much to mention. why was it like this) but against my will I'm like constantly thinking about clothes and makeup in that Jill dream sequence like years after the fact. The tiny nightie. The globs of lipgloss. And then almost every other scene where a woman dies is just like that too? It's unilaterally gratuitous in a way legitimately none of the other movies are, it's so frustrating. I also prefer to pretend I don't see it
some ppl have already pointed out in the comments how Saw 3D was originally supposed to be two movies, but to add to this, it was also supposed to be revealed that Joyce actually knew Bobby was lying about being a survivor but she was pretending to be a loving wife cause she was a gold digger that just wanted his money lol. i think this would've fit in with the whole theme of "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" since she would've been a combo of all three, and arguably the "worst" liar of them all, so her getting a brutal death makes more sense. it would've still been sexist tho lmao why are all the women bad ppl 😭
I know that this movie reveals that Gordon is alive in Saw 3D, but imagine that Gordon binge watching "Pretty Little Liars", after Jigsaw save him and he become "A.D." throughout the whole Saw Series, until this movie and where its reveals that he was in it, the whole time, but we just never knew in, than part 1
i think this movie is the chase scene from scary movie where she strips & gets soaked by the garden sprinklers but completely unironically. which is such a shame considering the public execution scene is so cool conceptually. great video as always❣
By the way, the public execution trap was supposed to be Bobby's last trap but they changed it so that it would be used for marketing without spoilers.
Ehhh I believe it makes sense for Gordon to always be there. In the first movie he was practically praising John and called him not a real murderer. He’s always been an easy target to influence
babe wake up new dalt saw analysis video dropped i'm so glad you called out the bizarre sexism of this movie, the traps felt so unbalanced gender-wise & the nature of the female characters' traps/deaths were just so much more exploitive than the male characters'. I realllllly wish they had given this franchise the chance to end it with the two movies it was initially planned to be, but money talks louder than artists and writers as always lol. on the bright side, this is the movie that really brought me around to understanding and enjoying Hoffman & not expecting him to be as nuanced as John or Amanda, and the reason I can rewatch the latter half of the franchise with enjoyment. If this movie didn't exist & we never got to see Hoffman go Hoffmaninator Mode, I doubt I would like him as much as what he is, as you put it -- a campy slasher villain. it's funny how much i hated hoffman during my first saw watchthrough, and how sad i was to see him die almost as SOON as i started to actually enjoy him bahaha. something something epic bad luck. Great video as always! can always count on you to find the positives in these movies!
100% agree with the viewing of hoffman, he's not john or amanda, and he never pretended to be. he's a complete psycho, and it makes for some of the best viewing in the franchise. also, there might not've been much positive, but i tried :)
The actress in the car trap, Gabby, actually won the 2nd season of Scream Queens, her ‘breakout’ role compared is Tanedra’s is actually laughable, not even any lines 😭 so glad we got more Tanedra in this one though
@@p-ruthless9005 No. I like that film despite a few flaws. At least that film introduced Eleanor, a character with much potential, the Cycle Trap was pretty good, and the Laser Collar Trap I liked despite the obvious CGI. Also, the little bit that John Kramer was in was awesome as well.
I really do hate how in this film for some reason if the victim fails his trap some other person dies, when that just feels so wrong. It's true that in other movies there would be other people involved that the victim in question had to safe, but generally speaking the final consequence would be your own death because that's the whole point of the traps, to make people appreciate their lives and pay for their wrongs (except maybe with Jeff's daughter? But that was kind of weird too ngl). So Joyce dying just because her husband was a liar is just so mean-spirited, all she ever did was support a person she thought was being honest. It's so unfair and sadly only serves to add onto the weird misogyny this movie has that you yourself mentioned.
I do have a soft spot for Saw VII, I feel like if they got rid of the 3d effects and had the 2 movies plus some more script re-writes it could've been a lot better. I feel like they did the best they could with what they were being asked from higher ups. Kevin Greutert is still my favourite director from the series. I realize I pretty much just said if they made an entirely different movie it'd be better but oh well lol. Still loving this series!!! 7 backwards baseball cap John's out of 5 :) (Oh also I'm curious about your opinion on the Chucky franchise, It's my 2nd favourite horror franchise after Saw)
no no i think you're on the right page, if they remade this one from the ground up it would actually be good lmao. and i love chucky! my personal favorite is bride of chucky :)
Still the worst movie in the series for me. Yes, worse than Jigsaw and/or Spiral. At least those two actually looked good and didn’t have a toilet water filter covering the screen.
3:49 this is my biggest issue with most of the "newer" saw movies... sometimes i wonder if i wouldve liked the later entries more if they had the old filter slapped on it
you gotta look at it deeper to see it and understand it, though. yes, her actions are wrong. but the way this is being aired out in front of everyone, her attire, the overall demeanor towards women in this one is purely nasty
gordon is so sinister in this one, i always wish we would’ve seen more of him as an apprentice (another thing im hoping future saw movies might elaborate on)
i'm 100% guilty of using 'john' and 'jigsaw' interchangeably, but i'd have to agree. hoffman truly embodied everything the 'jigsaw killer' became known for, and john embodied everything 'jigsaw' stood for
While Saw V was a train-wreck (in a bad way), Saw 3D was a train-wreck (in a good way). This film is just so insane, so genuinely stupid, it works its way back into being a masterpiece because of how confusingly bad everything is
@@ripdalt In my binge of the films before Saw X, I put it in the top 5 solely because of how much fun I had watching it. It's an awful film, in EVERY regard, but it's so fun I can't stay mad at it.
I’m definitely one of those weirdos that enjoys the circularity of Dr. Gordon being back. I can acknowledge it’s a lame twist that anyone could see coming, but I was so over the excessive gore and watching Hoffman get away with stuff that when the pig mask revealed Lawrence, I was all glee. Maybe it’s just my editor side, but I appreciated that he was a set-up that paid off and it made sense for him to be a part of the scheme, given all of the surgical needs for so many traps. However, I wholeheartedly agree with your criticisms of this movie. It leans so hard into the gore, which is always the worst part of the series for me, while simultaneously making it cartoonish. While I enjoyed the psychological element of “you’ve profited off Jigsaw’s games and the suffering of others, time to prove your worthiness,” I didn’t find the main character likeable or worth rooting for-I just listened to your whole video and I can’t even remember his name. The only one I cared about was his wife, and that was mostly because her death is one of my worst fears. It sucks that this was two movies shoved into one, truncating what could have been a compelling wrap-up to the series into a rushed jumble of happenings. I probably enjoy this one more than most people because the “twist” is something I appreciate, but I will happily join in a discussion about where it failed. Omg, every time I watched this movie, I knew I recognized him but never actually took the time to check the cast list-Chester Bennington being in this film is wild!
it's a good way to tie up the (arguably) biggest loose end in the series with gordon, though i always gave john the benefit of the doubt in thinking he is just naturally gifted at everything lmao. i genuinely do think that combining the two films was the final nail in the coffin for the series as we knew it, and took over a decade to come back from
Honestly I wish the Hoffman and game story’s were separate movies. Bobby’s game story taking place ather Saw 2, The Hoffman vs Jill being the ending to the franchise. I think there was a better way for Gordon to be revealed as an apprentice, have it goes with John give him the fake leg, Gordon couldn’t find his wife and daughter so John gave him the choice to work with him, fixing some pet peeves would be that John asked Gordon if Lin would be good for his surgery and Gordon reply’s that she would be perfect as he seen her work around the hospital, and when Gordon comes in the restroom he has the same Billy Hoffman left to burn in the building and Billy laughs as Gordon Says GAME OVER.
i agree, this one could've been the hoffman one, and then the canceled eighth one all about lawrence, almost like how saw x showed more of john's backstory that led him to current day
I love your content. You are one of the only channels on youtube who don't rant on how bad saw is. I love that. Waiting for your review on Jigsaw , Spiral and Saw x
These deaths are so funny to me, I can't help but laugh at how over the top they are here. It's like every single one is the world's shittiest Rube Goldberg machine 🤣
9:51 That joke killed me. As for this one… ouch it’s painful to watch. What do I actually like about this one? Well actually it’s two aspects… The first is Hoffman’s Terminator/Michael Myers style rampage through the precinct. It’s over the top and ridiculous, but it sure is very entertaining to watch, and of course I won’t knock watching Hoffman be a total badass, this was where the film redefined him as the Michael Myers of Saw. Sure, he would put you in a trap, but if you got in his way when you weren’t a target, he would just kill you there. Also, as I always found Gibson annoying, I laugh hysterically at his death scene. Jill’s death is brutal and it was kind of cool to finally see what the Reverse Bear Trap would do if the target failed. The other strong point is what little we saw of Dr. Gordon. I really liked what they did with him, it just needed more explanation. The glaring problem to me is when they combined the two scripts, they mainly used the one for the seventh entry and only used bits from the eighth one, and it was the eighth one that was supposes to full explain Dr. Gordon. I think it would have been a better idea to switch it around, where they ditched most of what they used for the seventh film’s script and mainly used the one for the eighth film, as then we would have both had a more complete film and likely avoided the BS that was in this film like Bobby’s game, which on paper is fine but was horribly executed to me, or the unecessary 3D gimick. Hoffman vs Jill to me did work, it was just constantly interrupted by a lackluster trap plot. Seeing Hoffman go fully crazy after Jill’s failed attempt at killing him was awesome. Perhaps the biggest missed opportunity other than fully explaning Gordon was what they did to Jill. At the end of Saw 6, the way she got Hoffman made it seem like she was as crafty as him, and the next one would be not a “cat & mouse game,” but a “cat vs cat” scenario similar to Laurie Strode vs Michael Myers. But instead… she does nothing, becomes helpless, as if she just got lucky once and that’s it, age even gets a bit annoying at times. This one was easily the weakest entry in the series, this was where the series went downhill, and thankfully Saw X happened to finally get the series going once again. Pretty much everything else wrong with Saw 7 was said in the video. Well done.
even being one of the bottom tier saw movies, this is still a really fun watch to not take fully serious. hoffmanator in full action, over the top gore, and a couple of weirdly bad acting jobs make this so enjoyable to me. and thank you for watching :)
Kind of like this film more than others, but placing Dr. Gordon in the opening kind of hurt the movie, because it made us expect more of him, but he was in it for 5 minutes. I really enjoyed the public execution trap, the horsepower trap and the last 15 minutes but god I wished it had more Dr. Gordon and if the movie was more like the 15 minutes rather than another trap plot, it would've been more of an all timer.
@@ripdalt For me, they shouldn't have treated Dr. Gordon's apprentice thing as a twist. If they were, the whole movie should have been the Dr. Gordon montage, with Hoffman vs Jill as another plot, and then it intersects at the end with Dr. Gordon locking Hoffman up in the bathroom. Had the trap plot been compelling, I would've ranked 3D much higher.
great review :) i will say what saves this movie for me is how camp it is and hoffman being a revenge seeking terminator right there at the end... he became one of my favorites unexpectedly after not even remembering who he was in saw iv lmfao ... and as you said its deff not boring (also watching this movie with a friend or friends is a lot of fun lol) looking foward to your other videos/reviews :]]
thank you! i 100% agree the camp makes this bearable, and hoffman is so fun to watch. i used to HATE him, still kinda do, but seeing him work always gets my full locked in attention. he rocks. and thank you for watching :)
Great overview as always! There's somehow always a lot to mull over when discussing this series, even with a stinker like this movie. I've always hated that first trap and still do for reasons that I'm sure I don't need to explain, but I adore the metanarrative framework you put it in! I feel a little silly for not thinking about it myself. It makes me want to take time to do a rewatch focused on the way the films' relationship with spectacle evolves as the series progresses (especially vs matters like budget or how Wan and Whannell's directorial styles have solidified in the time since 1, etc); fun stuff.
thank you very much! if i was going to be so negative, i had to search for those positives for this one, but they were fun to piece together! :) i definitely think the spectacle aspect began with the jump to saw 2, everything bigger and more grandiose, and continually expanded in the sequels
Not sure what I'd find funnier, if the actor was specifically told to hit that spin move or he saw his chance and took it lmao. He's the true hero of the Saw franchise.
Even the worst Saw movies I still enjoy a lot (except Spiral). This movie is definitely the worst of the main franchise but I enjoy it despite its many, many, many flaws.
So in the ending Adam and Zepp were skeletons. And in Saw 2 they were still corpses. Knowing that saw 3 and 4 take place 6 months after saw 2. And saw 5 takes place exactly after 4. Same happens with 6 after 5 and 3D after 6. So doesnt that mean that in less than a year Adam and Zepp went to corpses to dirty skeletons? (Or maybe i just i that is seeing them as skeletons and they are in reality still corpses, in that case sorry)
While the Saw series isn't necessarily the stuff dreams are made of, in its buoyant flights of fancy, it does betray a welcome attempt to dream just a little bigger.
i often respect and understand the series' attempts to become something bigger than it is, but the studio meddling with this one essentially overtakes anything good that happened
You went over this in the beginning of the video but I want to hammer how always it was funny that Saw 3D being crushed from two movies to one movie was due to Saw 6 worse box office (when it's basically the best movie in franchise) which is due to Saw 5 being not well-received so people just assumed Saw 6 would be more of the same or even worse. Personally, I am kind of sad because I believe that Saw 3D being broken into movies as was originally planned would have allowed for more space to Lawrence coming back and more depth to everything that happened in between, and it will always be biggest what-if is to see the movie(s) as they were planned
One thing that really didn’t help Saw 3D is the perfomance of Betsy Russel (Jill) and Gibson (Chad donella) - They we’re so bad and dragged the movie down so hard. The fact we had such great minor performances across the franchise; then you had those two in leading roles, and then both of them in a room together was just a disaster
@@davidfairweather3301 that's a fact for sure and in defense of Jill she was cast as John's wife in Saw 3 as just a cameo during his hallucinations bc she was the wife of one of the producers at the time (can't remember the name) and that was it. Ofc when Saw 4 came around and was a continuation of the trilogy, she had an expanding role which had to put her acting skills to test and every subsequent movie just kept rolling until we got her in this one.
@@mindmomo yeh she was engaged to Mark burg. Betsy Russel seems like a nice woman in real life, but she isn’t a good actor, so her and the producers are at fault for giving her more screen time
@@davidfairweather3301 Yea as far as I know there's no issues with her personally, but the casting as a cameo for (at thr time) last movie im the trilogy and expanding her role afterthen are the responsible factors
Tbh the final trap in saw 3D was so insanely stupid he coulve just put his feet there in the hooks like its legal. I really felt bad that jouyce had to go through it just because his husband was a charlatan
By far the worst in the entire franchise. I don't care what anyone says, Dr.Gordon should just have been dead, it's terrible fan service because people kept whining. On top of the gimmicky 3D vomit, victims not in control and Joyce, do we even need to adress Joyce?
I really like how you hit on the strangely gendered violence in this one. That was never what Saw was about and it actually was something that made the series unique until this installment. You have such a wonderfully glib sensibility in your writing and these videos are always a pleasure. Don't think I missed your little flower in the three D glasses, very cute. Someday you'll run out of Saw movies to review but I think you've crafted a style that will keep your audience with you no matter where you go next.
thank you so so much :) i can look past all of this 3d nonsense and studio meddling for a fun little watch, but it's so hard to do so when it's so cruel towards women, it completely ruins it. as for what's next, i have a few more fun saw videos left, and i hope to keep a nice lil community here for awhile :) i appreciate your comment very much
@@ripdaltI can personally see this to an extent, but when you consider it is one movie in a 7 movie franchise, and one of those movies happens to be a bit more mean to the women. Most test subjects in the other movies were men. Men being portrayed as corrupt cops, rapists, murderers, abusers etc but it never becomes a thing of men being portrayed in a bad light. I do agree that some parts of the movie felt mean spirited, but it’s a horror movie, and people go as far to say it’s “misogynistic” Also there is a slight irony in the fact one of the leading actors of saw 3d is Betsy Russel…who, despite being a very nice person off camera, is not a good actress and only had the role cos she was engaged to Mark Burg and was friends with the producers. So there is room to be made that her securing a leading is quite unfair
One of the main points of the movie having strange misogynistic undertones is that the nudity in Saw was always done mostly in a respectful manner or only when it's necessary for a trap. It was a breath of fresh air among horror movies. Saw 3D flaunts some the women actors to an uncomfortable level. Dina has to be strapped between her breasts for some weird reason and Jill's dream sequence is anotner can of worms. Nudity and "eye-candy" in horror movies can be done tastefully but Saw 3D was not it. You could almost think that it's a start of a porn parody considering how it's presented and acted out.
@@laura61189 first saw movie…guy was locked in a room in his boxers and smeared with flammable jelly. If it was a woman you’d say it’s using women as props, but if it’s a man there’s no issue. Ivan in saw 4 was strapped to a bed wearing a tank top and boxers/shorts. Again if it was a woman it would be seen as misogynistic and objectifying women, but if it’s a man it’s not sexualised. I do see your point, but there is definitely a lower threshold for women to be viewed as being objectified, whereas men being portrayed in a bad light isn’t even considered. It’s certainly not as bad as people make out. In saw 3, a woman was tied up in a freezer completely naked whilst water was sprayed on her. People didn’t make a big deal out of it cos it was only one example, but that seems far worse than anything in saw 3d
@@laura61189 100% this. it's almost like they brought in some spike tv guys to add some of their... "charm" to this, when the franchise didn't need it. between dina and jill's little dream sequence, it's just pg nudity to keep some attention in between the story and traps
When it comes to this, I feel like this is the worst in the series so far and where Saw 5 is not bad, but it's really boring to watch, I feel like this one makes me angry I'm just glad that Jigsaw (Kinda) reboot the series a bit, because Saw 3D is "Pretty Little Liars: season 7" levels of 'disappointment'
very common dalt W and possibly one of the films of all time. nice work articulating just what about this one is Icky from the misogyny to the genuinely gratuitous gore
streets are saying this _might_ be one of the films of all time. also thank you, i hate that aspect of the movie and tried to express it. thank you for watching :)
@@ripdalt you get it?? I like this movie but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone looking for a good time. it's a fun romp but I hate it. it has so much to say but went about it in the worst way possible
I gotta give the movie one win At least it feels like the end of the series, and despite the new movies you can still see this as the final movie with no problem
Thank you for continuing the series! Your thoughts on Spiral should be interesting! 👍🏿 I don’t get why you think the first trap is misogynistic, she’s clearly the one who needs to die in that situation!
well, first of all, no one _needs_ to die in any of these traps (except ivan from 4)... but to have her trapped in this glass case for all to see, to have her personal dirty laundry aired out in front of everyone feels incredibly cruel, doubled down by the unneeded removal of her shirt and constant down cleavage shots of her. it all just feels icky. also thank you for watching! :)
I think the point that this movie is sexist falls a bit flat. Yes there are a lot of female victims, but when you consider that the male-female ratio of victims in the other movies is >2-1, it’s really not that bad. The complaints about the brutality against the girl cop and Jill are also reaches. He needed the cops corpse not bloodied for the door. As for Jill, I don’t have much sympathy for her considering what she’s done and did to him last movie. That being said, I do agree that the spirit of the movie feels too far removed from the feel of the first few.
It’s impossible to take this movie seriously. Nothing about it is good, the only reason I watch it is bc it’s a part of the series so it’s critical for the lore. Till it’s retconned
While this Saw film was definitely not the best, I will say it does have some of the coolest traps, especially the Horse-power/Garage Trap featuring the late Chester Bennington and the Silence Circle Trap. Everything else about the movie.....oof-
I think Saw 3d is one of those movies that can be a blast to watch if you don’t take it seriously and watch it drunk with friends. It can be entertaining cos it’s so dumb
My friend has a 3D TV so I got to watch Final Chapter as intended in 3D. It was definitely dumb fun but it didn’t save the bad writing and dialogue. Arguably the worst in the series but I found enjoyment in it in a turn-your-brain off kind of way.
So let me get this straight, Saw 3D is "sexist and misogynist" simply due to the fact that some women die gruesome deaths on a RATED R SAW MOVIE??? where most of the "victims" in previous films have been men?? are you serious dude? So no women should ever die in a saw horror movie?? I was just starting to like this channel but I guess you're one of those PC warriors. Honestly the Saw franchise is literally a Rated R horror franchise what do you expect??? They didnt show any crazy amounts of nudity or un-needed s3x scenes.
it's moreso the overall feel and reactions to the deaths, especially bobby's. if pointing out how nasty this film is towards women makes me a "pc warrior", and therefore ruins your enjoyment of the videos, sorry you went outside of your echo chamber. have a good one! :)
I am sometimes downvoted on the subreddit for saying that 3D/7 is considerably worse than Jigsaw and Spiral. It doesn't *have* to be - but it is. The cruel misogyny, the pointless remnants of a bigger story, and the awful acting from Gibson and Jill Tuck especially are just too hard to look past. I skip it on rewatches at least half the time. Curious to see if you agree when you put out the Jigsaw video. I know some people claim it's the worst in the series or an embarrassment, but I think that if you can suspend disbelief, it's one of the most entertaining standalone films.
3d, jigsaw, and spiral are all pretty close for me, i'm sure they switch in my rankings a bunch depending on which i see most recently. but i agree, 3d's message really blows, and is such a disappointment
6:00 To give more context for this trap (and the movie generally)
Before Saw 3D became Saw 3D, it was intended to be two separate (not 3D) films. Saw: The Final Chapter, Parts 1 and 2.
What was supposed to happen was, after the shot of Dina hanging gutted, the camera cuts to the chaos of the crowd panicking. Stoically, standing in the back, was John. He would then utter something along the lines of, “If they didn’t know who I was before, they most certainly will now.” It was meant to be Jigsaw’s ‘coming out party’ to the public at large.
The twist from this scene would come back in the final act, during the Dr. Gordon montage, where after John says that line, Gordon steps up next to him as another stoic observer. This was John showing his work to Gordon for the first time, much like how he initiated Hoffman. And after Hoffman passed out from Gordon’s syringe, the other two Pigheads would unmask as Brad and Ryan- the survivors of the Love Triangle game in question.
All that got royally fucked up when the producers cancelled the plan of eight movies, dropped it to seven, and forced the merger of both scripts into one. The Love Triangle trap became completely pointless and disconnected from everything. Then slapping the hokey 3D gimmick on top, all contributed to the mess that Saw VII came out to be. Should’ve been a much different finale for that era of the franchise.
Someone should be sent to fucking prison for robbing us of that. I say they remake it as the original 2 films it was supposed to be and make things right for “the final chapter”
@@KingdomHeart556 We were robbed hard and esp of a Lawernce movie but sadly I doubt anyone would willing to come back especially Lawernce's actor
ooooh interesting! i can definitely see that, thank you for sharing that!
The other 2 people in pig masks at the end were meant to be the 2 survivors from the the first trap (Brad and Ryan I think)
Omg that is so much better
14:26 They made him look much younger than he is with no CGI. Impressive
people go to school for degrees in cg, when they can just give someone a lil hat :)
The saddest thing about this movie is that Rodrick was supposed to be in this movie but he was in diary of a Wimpy kid
i found out he's an extra in one of the earlier ones (as a different character than 6) which makes him the only(?) person to play multiple characters in this franchise
hello you saw fiends! i hope you enjoy this seventh installment in the saw analysis, the final of the classic run of the series before a handful of sequels of varying quality and enjoyment.
i'll see yall for the first of those, jigsaw, on july 5th :)
thank you all for the support, it means the world
dalt.
I like these videos.
Please try watching both "Jigsaw" and "Saw X" with audio description.
It's the same person, and I want to know what you think.
adding july 5th to my calendar immediately🙏
Oh please be "good" for Spiral. Dont see it as a sawfilm, and its a decent attempt imo...
the cute little daisy putting on the 3d glasses made me so happy while i was otherwise having a pretty lame day :)
i had to get my classes on to see every dimension :) hopefully your day turns around and everything is okay!
i had this video playing in the background and just noticed, thats so cute omg
i love how all of these so far have had titles like "WHY SAW #___ IS THE BEST OF ALL TIME" and this one is like WHY SAW 7 WAS GARBAGE lmaooo
i love your vids and takes man thanks for making them and sorry youtube is being shitty
i can expand upon the truth (clickbait) any of these first 6, but saw 3d is where i draw the line lmao
I feel so bad for poor Jill she's been through so much, losing her son , and divorced John and losing him too😢
going through all of that, and still "losing" her game. it's just all so unfair
Man Chester was perfect in this role
A legend to be remembered
no one else could scream bloody murder like that, all-time talent :)
i hate this movie soooo much. it's insane. I kind of just pretend it doesn't exist. Jill tucker should not have died the way she did. I hated Hoffman extra hard in this film. Also, the 'victims' just felt so awful so no reason. It was pointed out several times how a lot of the film felt sexist for no reason, especially the first kill making no sense why her shirt was open? like wtf. The last victim (Joyce) was killed just to be killed. Jigsaw never make the iron bull for a rando. It just didnt feel like a Saw film at all. I can rewatch every saw movie but this one
Your Saw videos are always super enjoyable to watch.
I respect your opinion, saw 3d is kinda bad in my opinion
the overt sexism really just takes the fun out of this all, without it i could pass this off as just hoffman going full slasher. but the constant reminder of what this film is, purely cruel towards women, is just NOT fun
@@ripdalt I know, if it was just rude towards assholes in general it can be a great movie. I dislike the pink blood, really takes you out of it and some more problems
Hard agree. I don't think Dalt mentions it specifically (there's so much to mention. why was it like this) but against my will I'm like constantly thinking about clothes and makeup in that Jill dream sequence like years after the fact. The tiny nightie. The globs of lipgloss. And then almost every other scene where a woman dies is just like that too? It's unilaterally gratuitous in a way legitimately none of the other movies are, it's so frustrating. I also prefer to pretend I don't see it
some ppl have already pointed out in the comments how Saw 3D was originally supposed to be two movies, but to add to this, it was also supposed to be revealed that Joyce actually knew Bobby was lying about being a survivor but she was pretending to be a loving wife cause she was a gold digger that just wanted his money lol. i think this would've fit in with the whole theme of "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" since she would've been a combo of all three, and arguably the "worst" liar of them all, so her getting a brutal death makes more sense. it would've still been sexist tho lmao why are all the women bad ppl 😭
7:49 they forgot Hoffman smashed his hand 🤚 in order to escape the reverse bear trap
he resident evil'd his hand with the peroxide
@@ripdalt out of top but saw the quiet place 3 10/10 no flaws
I know that this movie reveals that Gordon is alive in Saw 3D, but imagine that Gordon binge watching "Pretty Little Liars", after Jigsaw save him and he become "A.D." throughout the whole Saw Series, until this movie and where its reveals that he was in it, the whole time, but we just never knew in, than part 1
omg yessssss
i think this movie is the chase scene from scary movie where she strips & gets soaked by the garden sprinklers but completely unironically. which is such a shame considering the public execution scene is so cool conceptually. great video as always❣
being unironically 'scary movie' is a fate worse than death. also, thank you! :)
By the way, the public execution trap was supposed to be Bobby's last trap but they changed it so that it would be used for marketing without spoilers.
Deep reapect for the "finds him somewhere he belongs" line!
it'd be a disservice to all linkin park fans to not have a couple references for his cameo :)
@ripdalt yeah, the video is great but those really made it something even better!
Ehhh I believe it makes sense for Gordon to always be there. In the first movie he was practically praising John and called him not a real murderer. He’s always been an easy target to influence
that's fair, appealing to his ego definitely works
So many things in this movie are hilarious, like the little jog. That brazen bull is shaped just as the pig spaceship on the Muppet Show
never did i think saw 3d could be connected to the muppets, that rocks lmao
Have my like and comment for the algorithm, this is like the 3rd saw series review I've watched whilst only ever having seen the first film
thank you for the support :) also that's super funny lmao, you'll have to do a marathon of them soon!
If you have a few friends into gore, do yourself a favor and watch it, it is so much fun!
babe wake up new dalt saw analysis video dropped
i'm so glad you called out the bizarre sexism of this movie, the traps felt so unbalanced gender-wise & the nature of the female characters' traps/deaths were just so much more exploitive than the male characters'. I realllllly wish they had given this franchise the chance to end it with the two movies it was initially planned to be, but money talks louder than artists and writers as always lol. on the bright side, this is the movie that really brought me around to understanding and enjoying Hoffman & not expecting him to be as nuanced as John or Amanda, and the reason I can rewatch the latter half of the franchise with enjoyment. If this movie didn't exist & we never got to see Hoffman go Hoffmaninator Mode, I doubt I would like him as much as what he is, as you put it -- a campy slasher villain. it's funny how much i hated hoffman during my first saw watchthrough, and how sad i was to see him die almost as SOON as i started to actually enjoy him bahaha. something something epic bad luck.
Great video as always! can always count on you to find the positives in these movies!
100% agree with the viewing of hoffman, he's not john or amanda, and he never pretended to be. he's a complete psycho, and it makes for some of the best viewing in the franchise. also, there might not've been much positive, but i tried :)
The actress in the car trap, Gabby, actually won the 2nd season of Scream Queens, her ‘breakout’ role compared is Tanedra’s is actually laughable, not even any lines 😭 so glad we got more Tanedra in this one though
i'd be PISSED if i was her. "oh congrats you won our competition, you get to play a neonazi girlfriend and then die in like 1 minute" lmaooo
@@ripdalt Lmaoo fr 😭
Another fantastic video Dalt! I can't wait to see what you say about Jigsaw!
thank you! we begin our descent into reboot mania soon! :)
Jigsaw might be last place in your ranking
it sure might be lmao
@@ripdalt I don’t dislike any of these movies but Jigsaw is okay for me
Am I the only one that likes Jigsaw as a movie?
@@p-ruthless9005 No. I like that film despite a few flaws. At least that film introduced Eleanor, a character with much potential, the Cycle Trap was pretty good, and the Laser Collar Trap I liked despite the obvious CGI. Also, the little bit that John Kramer was in was awesome as well.
I really do hate how in this film for some reason if the victim fails his trap some other person dies, when that just feels so wrong. It's true that in other movies there would be other people involved that the victim in question had to safe, but generally speaking the final consequence would be your own death because that's the whole point of the traps, to make people appreciate their lives and pay for their wrongs (except maybe with Jeff's daughter? But that was kind of weird too ngl). So Joyce dying just because her husband was a liar is just so mean-spirited, all she ever did was support a person she thought was being honest. It's so unfair and sadly only serves to add onto the weird misogyny this movie has that you yourself mentioned.
joyce is probably the person most hard-done by in this whole franchise, her end is so unnecessary and unfair :(
I do have a soft spot for Saw VII, I feel like if they got rid of the 3d effects and had the 2 movies plus some more script re-writes it could've been a lot better. I feel like they did the best they could with what they were being asked from higher ups. Kevin Greutert is still my favourite director from the series. I realize I pretty much just said if they made an entirely different movie it'd be better but oh well lol. Still loving this series!!! 7 backwards baseball cap John's out of 5 :) (Oh also I'm curious about your opinion on the Chucky franchise, It's my 2nd favourite horror franchise after Saw)
no no i think you're on the right page, if they remade this one from the ground up it would actually be good lmao. and i love chucky! my personal favorite is bride of chucky :)
Still the worst movie in the series for me. Yes, worse than Jigsaw and/or Spiral. At least those two actually looked good and didn’t have a toilet water filter covering the screen.
i still give this one a slight edge pretty much only for hoffman
3:49 this is my biggest issue with most of the "newer" saw movies... sometimes i wonder if i wouldve liked the later entries more if they had the old filter slapped on it
i think about that too, but i don't even know if the filters could save something like spiral
6:48 the two guys getting cheated on decided she wasn’t worth fighting over. Ah yes. “Misogyny”
you gotta look at it deeper to see it and understand it, though. yes, her actions are wrong. but the way this is being aired out in front of everyone, her attire, the overall demeanor towards women in this one is purely nasty
gordon is so sinister in this one, i always wish we would’ve seen more of him as an apprentice (another thing im hoping future saw movies might elaborate on)
maybe saw 11! :o
Everyone calls John Jigsaw and is the one most people see him as, But really I think Hoffman is more the Jigsaw killer then John was in these 7 movies
i'm 100% guilty of using 'john' and 'jigsaw' interchangeably, but i'd have to agree. hoffman truly embodied everything the 'jigsaw killer' became known for, and john embodied everything 'jigsaw' stood for
While Saw V was a train-wreck (in a bad way), Saw 3D was a train-wreck (in a good way). This film is just so insane, so genuinely stupid, it works its way back into being a masterpiece because of how confusingly bad everything is
no literally, it's so bad it's fun. especially watching with friends
@@ripdalt In my binge of the films before Saw X, I put it in the top 5 solely because of how much fun I had watching it. It's an awful film, in EVERY regard, but it's so fun I can't stay mad at it.
If only ChesterBennington knew he would die irl 7 years after
i didn't realize it was 7 years after the 7th film, interesting. also poor guy :(
I’m definitely one of those weirdos that enjoys the circularity of Dr. Gordon being back. I can acknowledge it’s a lame twist that anyone could see coming, but I was so over the excessive gore and watching Hoffman get away with stuff that when the pig mask revealed Lawrence, I was all glee. Maybe it’s just my editor side, but I appreciated that he was a set-up that paid off and it made sense for him to be a part of the scheme, given all of the surgical needs for so many traps.
However, I wholeheartedly agree with your criticisms of this movie. It leans so hard into the gore, which is always the worst part of the series for me, while simultaneously making it cartoonish. While I enjoyed the psychological element of “you’ve profited off Jigsaw’s games and the suffering of others, time to prove your worthiness,” I didn’t find the main character likeable or worth rooting for-I just listened to your whole video and I can’t even remember his name. The only one I cared about was his wife, and that was mostly because her death is one of my worst fears.
It sucks that this was two movies shoved into one, truncating what could have been a compelling wrap-up to the series into a rushed jumble of happenings. I probably enjoy this one more than most people because the “twist” is something I appreciate, but I will happily join in a discussion about where it failed.
Omg, every time I watched this movie, I knew I recognized him but never actually took the time to check the cast list-Chester Bennington being in this film is wild!
it's a good way to tie up the (arguably) biggest loose end in the series with gordon, though i always gave john the benefit of the doubt in thinking he is just naturally gifted at everything lmao. i genuinely do think that combining the two films was the final nail in the coffin for the series as we knew it, and took over a decade to come back from
Honestly I wish the Hoffman and game story’s were separate movies. Bobby’s game story taking place ather Saw 2, The Hoffman vs Jill being the ending to the franchise. I think there was a better way for Gordon to be revealed as an apprentice, have it goes with John give him the fake leg, Gordon couldn’t find his wife and daughter so John gave him the choice to work with him, fixing some pet peeves would be that John asked Gordon if Lin would be good for his surgery and Gordon reply’s that she would be perfect as he seen her work around the hospital, and when Gordon comes in the restroom he has the same Billy Hoffman left to burn in the building and Billy laughs as Gordon Says GAME OVER.
i agree, this one could've been the hoffman one, and then the canceled eighth one all about lawrence, almost like how saw x showed more of john's backstory that led him to current day
@@ripdalt yeah, what’s your favorite trap in this movie, for me it’s the horsepower trap
I love your content. You are one of the only channels on youtube who don't rant on how bad saw is. I love that. Waiting for your review on Jigsaw , Spiral and Saw x
i appreciate that very much :) i'd rather rant about how much i love this silly franchise!
These deaths are so funny to me, I can't help but laugh at how over the top they are here. It's like every single one is the world's shittiest Rube Goldberg machine 🤣
hoffman didn't have time to think of anything else, he's just a boy against the world
9:51 That joke killed me.
As for this one… ouch it’s painful to watch.
What do I actually like about this one? Well actually it’s two aspects…
The first is Hoffman’s Terminator/Michael Myers style rampage through the precinct. It’s over the top and ridiculous, but it sure is very entertaining to watch, and of course I won’t knock watching Hoffman be a total badass, this was where the film redefined him as the Michael Myers of Saw. Sure, he would put you in a trap, but if you got in his way when you weren’t a target, he would just kill you there. Also, as I always found Gibson annoying, I laugh hysterically at his death scene. Jill’s death is brutal and it was kind of cool to finally see what the Reverse Bear Trap would do if the target failed.
The other strong point is what little we saw of Dr. Gordon. I really liked what they did with him, it just needed more explanation.
The glaring problem to me is when they combined the two scripts, they mainly used the one for the seventh entry and only used bits from the eighth one, and it was the eighth one that was supposes to full
explain Dr. Gordon. I think it would have been a better idea to switch it around, where they ditched most of what they used for the seventh film’s script and mainly used the one for the eighth film, as then we would have both had a more complete film and likely avoided the BS that was in this film like Bobby’s game, which on paper is fine but was horribly executed to me, or the unecessary 3D gimick.
Hoffman vs Jill to me did work, it was just constantly interrupted by a lackluster trap plot. Seeing Hoffman go fully crazy after Jill’s failed attempt at killing him was awesome.
Perhaps the biggest missed opportunity other than fully explaning Gordon was what they did to Jill. At the end of Saw 6, the way she got Hoffman made it seem like she was as crafty as him, and the next one would be not a “cat & mouse game,” but a “cat vs cat” scenario similar to Laurie Strode vs Michael Myers. But instead… she does nothing, becomes helpless, as if she just got lucky once and that’s it, age even gets a bit annoying at times.
This one was easily the weakest entry in the series, this was where the series went downhill, and thankfully Saw X happened to finally get the series going once again.
Pretty much everything else wrong with Saw 7 was said in the video. Well done.
even being one of the bottom tier saw movies, this is still a really fun watch to not take fully serious. hoffmanator in full action, over the top gore, and a couple of weirdly bad acting jobs make this so enjoyable to me. and thank you for watching :)
Kind of like this film more than others, but placing Dr. Gordon in the opening kind of hurt the movie, because it made us expect more of him, but he was in it for 5 minutes. I really enjoyed the public execution trap, the horsepower trap and the last 15 minutes but god I wished it had more Dr. Gordon and if the movie was more like the 15 minutes rather than another trap plot, it would've been more of an all timer.
exactly, they bring him back and essentially ruin the whole twist, it's super disappointing
@@ripdalt For me, they shouldn't have treated Dr. Gordon's apprentice thing as a twist. If they were, the whole movie should have been the Dr. Gordon montage, with Hoffman vs Jill as another plot, and then it intersects at the end with Dr. Gordon locking Hoffman up in the bathroom.
Had the trap plot been compelling, I would've ranked 3D much higher.
@@InTheKillRoom i definitely agree, even if they did the same parallel timing thing as they did with saw 3 and 4, that would've been way better
great review :) i will say what saves this movie for me is how camp it is and hoffman being a revenge seeking terminator right there at the end... he became one of my favorites unexpectedly after not even remembering who he was in saw iv lmfao ... and as you said its deff not boring (also watching this movie with a friend or friends is a lot of fun lol)
looking foward to your other videos/reviews :]]
thank you! i 100% agree the camp makes this bearable, and hoffman is so fun to watch. i used to HATE him, still kinda do, but seeing him work always gets my full locked in attention. he rocks. and thank you for watching :)
i hate this movie so much, and especially the "silence circle" trap. for me it feels like a shitty "women just cant stop talking" joke
ESPECIALLY with bobby's freakout afterwards??? disgusting
So glad to see this has come out! I’ve been waiting for it for a while. Really loving this series.
thank you! i'm glad you enjoy it :)
My favorite Friday uploader! Hopefully the age restriction doesn't kill the momentum for this video. As always great work
it might, but that's okay :) y'all are still showing so much love that it's all worth it. thank you!
Great overview as always! There's somehow always a lot to mull over when discussing this series, even with a stinker like this movie.
I've always hated that first trap and still do for reasons that I'm sure I don't need to explain, but I adore the metanarrative framework you put it in! I feel a little silly for not thinking about it myself. It makes me want to take time to do a rewatch focused on the way the films' relationship with spectacle evolves as the series progresses (especially vs matters like budget or how Wan and Whannell's directorial styles have solidified in the time since 1, etc); fun stuff.
thank you very much! if i was going to be so negative, i had to search for those positives for this one, but they were fun to piece together! :) i definitely think the spectacle aspect began with the jump to saw 2, everything bigger and more grandiose, and continually expanded in the sequels
Not sure what I'd find funnier, if the actor was specifically told to hit that spin move or he saw his chance and took it lmao. He's the true hero of the Saw franchise.
they didn't invent sightlines like in r6 siege, so he HAD to check those corners. i love him
Even the worst Saw movies I still enjoy a lot (except Spiral). This movie is definitely the worst of the main franchise but I enjoy it despite its many, many, many flaws.
i'm a simple person, i see hoffman lock in, i lock in. he's pure entertainment
one of the most criminal parts of saw 3D is the colouring like jesus christ i miss the green and blue
(also that linkin park reference…10/10)
omg thank you :) i totally agree, it just doesn't _look_ like a saw movie to me. where's my grainy filters and yucky greenness >:(
So in the ending Adam and Zepp were skeletons. And in Saw 2 they were still corpses. Knowing that saw 3 and 4 take place 6 months after saw 2. And saw 5 takes place exactly after 4. Same happens with 6 after 5 and 3D after 6.
So doesnt that mean that in less than a year Adam and Zepp went to corpses to dirty skeletons?
(Or maybe i just i that is seeing them as skeletons and they are in reality still corpses, in that case sorry)
the timeline of _exactly when_ things happen has always kind of been a blurry mess, to me at least. aside from 3 and 4, of course.
joyce deserved so much better☹️
she SHOULD'VE been at the club!
@@ripdalt 😭💀💀fr! and the fact that her wack husband survives and she doesn’t makes me angrier!
I haven’t watched the movie myself yet but I never caught if Bobby’s wife knew about him lying or not. It always felt extremely unfair to kill her
no i'm pretty sure she was completely blindsided by the whole situation, a whole relationship built on lies
@@ripdalt wow yeah I hate that way more than if she were just going along with it which still didn’t make her death feel great
While the Saw series isn't necessarily the stuff dreams are made of, in its buoyant flights of fancy, it does betray a welcome attempt to dream just a little bigger.
i often respect and understand the series' attempts to become something bigger than it is, but the studio meddling with this one essentially overtakes anything good that happened
I missed the notification for this one for some reason. I got the one for Jigsaw and and was like I don't remember dalt doing Saw 7.
that might've been due to the age restriction unfortunately
You went over this in the beginning of the video but I want to hammer how always it was funny that Saw 3D being crushed from two movies to one movie was due to Saw 6 worse box office (when it's basically the best movie in franchise) which is due to Saw 5 being not well-received so people just assumed Saw 6 would be more of the same or even worse.
Personally, I am kind of sad because I believe that Saw 3D being broken into movies as was originally planned would have allowed for more space to Lawrence coming back and more depth to everything that happened in between, and it will always be biggest what-if is to see the movie(s) as they were planned
One thing that really didn’t help Saw 3D is the perfomance of Betsy Russel (Jill) and Gibson (Chad donella) - They we’re so bad and dragged the movie down so hard. The fact we had such great minor performances across the franchise; then you had those two in leading roles, and then both of them in a room together was just a disaster
@@davidfairweather3301 that's a fact for sure and in defense of Jill she was cast as John's wife in Saw 3 as just a cameo during his hallucinations bc she was the wife of one of the producers at the time (can't remember the name) and that was it. Ofc when Saw 4 came around and was a continuation of the trilogy, she had an expanding role which had to put her acting skills to test and every subsequent movie just kept rolling until we got her in this one.
@@mindmomo yeh she was engaged to Mark burg. Betsy Russel seems like a nice woman in real life, but she isn’t a good actor, so her and the producers are at fault for giving her more screen time
@@davidfairweather3301 Yea as far as I know there's no issues with her personally, but the casting as a cameo for (at thr time) last movie im the trilogy and expanding her role afterthen are the responsible factors
yeah i genuinely think that second film would've been all lawrence, but instead he's relegated to maybe 3 minutes screentime :(
I think at the beginning the reason most people stayed and watch was purely out of curiosity. Maybe they thought it was all an act or something?
"alright we're about an hour in, maybe the real movie starts here soon..." lmao
@@ripdalt I meant like they thought it was a stage play or something 😆 🤣
Tbh the final trap in saw 3D was so insanely stupid he coulve just put his feet there in the hooks like its legal. I really felt bad that jouyce had to go through it just because his husband was a charlatan
it really is tough for her, to stick her neck out for someone turning out to be a complete fraud
By far the worst in the entire franchise. I don't care what anyone says, Dr.Gordon should just have been dead, it's terrible fan service because people kept whining. On top of the gimmicky 3D vomit, victims not in control and Joyce, do we even need to adress Joyce?
it really is _one of_ the worst
I really like how you hit on the strangely gendered violence in this one. That was never what Saw was about and it actually was something that made the series unique until this installment.
You have such a wonderfully glib sensibility in your writing and these videos are always a pleasure. Don't think I missed your little flower in the three D glasses, very cute. Someday you'll run out of Saw movies to review but I think you've crafted a style that will keep your audience with you no matter where you go next.
thank you so so much :) i can look past all of this 3d nonsense and studio meddling for a fun little watch, but it's so hard to do so when it's so cruel towards women, it completely ruins it.
as for what's next, i have a few more fun saw videos left, and i hope to keep a nice lil community here for awhile :) i appreciate your comment very much
@@ripdaltI can personally see this to an extent, but when you consider it is one movie in a 7 movie franchise, and one of those movies happens to be a bit more mean to the women. Most test subjects in the other movies were men. Men being portrayed as corrupt cops, rapists, murderers, abusers etc but it never becomes a thing of men being portrayed in a bad light. I do agree that some parts of the movie felt mean spirited, but it’s a horror movie, and people go as far to say it’s “misogynistic”
Also there is a slight irony in the fact one of the leading actors of saw 3d is Betsy Russel…who, despite being a very nice person off camera, is not a good actress and only had the role cos she was engaged to Mark Burg and was friends with the producers. So there is room to be made that her securing a leading is quite unfair
One of the main points of the movie having strange misogynistic undertones is that the nudity in Saw was always done mostly in a respectful manner or only when it's necessary for a trap. It was a breath of fresh air among horror movies.
Saw 3D flaunts some the women actors to an uncomfortable level. Dina has to be strapped between her breasts for some weird reason and Jill's dream sequence is anotner can of worms. Nudity and "eye-candy" in horror movies can be done tastefully but Saw 3D was not it. You could almost think that it's a start of a porn parody considering how it's presented and acted out.
@@laura61189 first saw movie…guy was locked in a room in his boxers and smeared with flammable jelly. If it was a woman you’d say it’s using women as props, but if it’s a man there’s no issue. Ivan in saw 4 was strapped to a bed wearing a tank top and boxers/shorts. Again if it was a woman it would be seen as misogynistic and objectifying women, but if it’s a man it’s not sexualised.
I do see your point, but there is definitely a lower threshold for women to be viewed as being objectified, whereas men being portrayed in a bad light isn’t even considered.
It’s certainly not as bad as people make out. In saw 3, a woman was tied up in a freezer completely naked whilst water was sprayed on her. People didn’t make a big deal out of it cos it was only one example, but that seems far worse than anything in saw 3d
@@laura61189 100% this. it's almost like they brought in some spike tv guys to add some of their... "charm" to this, when the franchise didn't need it. between dina and jill's little dream sequence, it's just pg nudity to keep some attention in between the story and traps
When it comes to this, I feel like this is the worst in the series so far and where Saw 5 is not bad, but it's really boring to watch, I feel like this one makes me angry
I'm just glad that Jigsaw (Kinda) reboot the series a bit, because Saw 3D is "Pretty Little Liars: season 7" levels of 'disappointment'
wait the pll comparison is actually really good for this lmao
very common dalt W and possibly one of the films of all time. nice work articulating just what about this one is Icky from the misogyny to the genuinely gratuitous gore
streets are saying this _might_ be one of the films of all time. also thank you, i hate that aspect of the movie and tried to express it. thank you for watching :)
@@ripdalt you get it?? I like this movie but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone looking for a good time. it's a fun romp but I hate it. it has so much to say but went about it in the worst way possible
My phone died last night so I had to wait to watch this 😭
it'll be waitin for you when that charge is done :)
@@ripdalt it was done 3 hours ago
🔥🔥🔥🔥 loved it! I can’t wait to see what you do next. Also “missed skilled check.” A walker of the fog. Lol
hoffman keeps kicking my gens >:(
also thank you for watching :)
The pepto bismol they used for blood 😂
it's SO bad lmao
a rare 'Roads Untraveled' reference! such an underrated song from them. ❤
i'm glad some people are in agreement that it's a banger :)
I gotta give the movie one win
At least it feels like the end of the series, and despite the new movies you can still see this as the final movie with no problem
that's very true, a very succinct ending (if you don't worry about lawrence... maybe he just finally retires now)
Yeah, the new movies can without any trouble be seen as a "what if" alternative
Thank you for continuing the series! Your thoughts on Spiral should be interesting! 👍🏿
I don’t get why you think the first trap is misogynistic, she’s clearly the one who needs to die in that situation!
well, first of all, no one _needs_ to die in any of these traps (except ivan from 4)... but to have her trapped in this glass case for all to see, to have her personal dirty laundry aired out in front of everyone feels incredibly cruel, doubled down by the unneeded removal of her shirt and constant down cleavage shots of her. it all just feels icky. also thank you for watching! :)
Babe wake up, new dalt. Saw video!!!!!!!
it's always a good day when we get to talk about more saw :)
Billy got the 3D drip 👓💪
he's so stylish and talented :)
Another banger from dalt. Can’t wait for the next ones!!
thank you! :)
I do feel bad for bobby only beacuse he was so close to saving each that has got to hurt so bad that truma is unlike anything else
it's a lot like saw x, mere seconds away each time from completing the game, just a bit short
The fact that THE GOAT roads untraveled was mentioned? Boom subbed.
hell yeah, you get me! welcome :)
If I didn’t know better I’d swear this was a parody, like scary movie but for saw.
oh 100%, it fully became a parody of its former self and went out in such a sad sad way
Hoffman just become the "Hoffminator"
PEAK
Saw 7 sure is a film that was released to the general public
i'd have given it more benefit of the doubt if it was a straight to dvd release, but alas...
I think the point that this movie is sexist falls a bit flat. Yes there are a lot of female victims, but when you consider that the male-female ratio of victims in the other movies is >2-1, it’s really not that bad.
The complaints about the brutality against the girl cop and Jill are also reaches. He needed the cops corpse not bloodied for the door. As for Jill, I don’t have much sympathy for her considering what she’s done and did to him last movie.
That being said, I do agree that the spirit of the movie feels too far removed from the feel of the first few.
thank you for disagreeing, but in a respectful way :)
It’s impossible to take this movie seriously. Nothing about it is good, the only reason I watch it is bc it’s a part of the series so it’s critical for the lore. Till it’s retconned
that's always my least favorite thing in franchises, when my least favorite is so crucial for plot reasons
I also wanted Hoffman to win! LOL hes great man!!!!!!
so much fun to watch him go nuts here lmao
While this Saw film was definitely not the best, I will say it does have some of the coolest traps, especially the Horse-power/Garage Trap featuring the late Chester Bennington and the Silence Circle Trap.
Everything else about the movie.....oof-
that's very true, some of the best in the series here
I'm going to save this for tomorrow, while I'm working out 😂
oooh good idea, see you then! :)
Might just be me don’t I like Saw 3D it’s so bad it’s good imo. Better than Spiral and Jigsaw at least it’s not boring
that's exactly how i feel too! like, it reached that precipice of camp that ups my enjoyment of it
I think Saw 3d is one of those movies that can be a blast to watch if you don’t take it seriously and watch it drunk with friends. It can be entertaining cos it’s so dumb
@@davidfairweather3301 agreed and its helps im already a huge Saw fan
Jill was fine af in this movie
she's always slaying :)
My friend has a 3D TV so I got to watch Final Chapter as intended in 3D. It was definitely dumb fun but it didn’t save the bad writing and dialogue. Arguably the worst in the series but I found enjoyment in it in a turn-your-brain off kind of way.
yoooo i never even thought about that, that's kinda cool
@@ripdalt probably would have been more fun in the theater lol
Didn't saw 3d this coming haha
i saw 3deez nuts
I love algorithms
the algorithm giveth, and the algorithm sometimes giveth the worst recommendations ever :)
YEEEEEEEEEAHHHHHH MORE SAW
WOOOOOO :)
plz talk about Dead Silence from the Saw writer
oooh that could be fun!
love your videos man
i appreciate that very much :)
I’ve been waiting for this!!!!!!!
it's time for PEAK CINEMA :)
So let me get this straight, Saw 3D is "sexist and misogynist" simply due to the fact that some women die gruesome deaths on a RATED R SAW MOVIE??? where most of the "victims" in previous films have been men?? are you serious dude? So no women should ever die in a saw horror movie?? I was just starting to like this channel but I guess you're one of those PC warriors.
Honestly the Saw franchise is literally a Rated R horror franchise what do you expect??? They didnt show any crazy amounts of nudity or un-needed s3x scenes.
it's moreso the overall feel and reactions to the deaths, especially bobby's. if pointing out how nasty this film is towards women makes me a "pc warrior", and therefore ruins your enjoyment of the videos, sorry you went outside of your echo chamber. have a good one! :)
are u gonna do jigsaw and swirl too 😋
i sure am! :) and saw meXico too
NEW DALT VID LIFE IS GOOD
LIFE IS SO SO GOOD (until you wake up in a jigsaw trap)
@@ripdalt jigsaw would totally put someone in a trap for being trans
JOHNNY SINS DUDE 😂😂
he's EVERYWHERE lmao
Oh this one.
y'know the one, the one that's super good and well liked by everyone
This movie is disappointment for me as a big Saw Fan!
it's a shared trauma experience amongst the saw fans
I am sometimes downvoted on the subreddit for saying that 3D/7 is considerably worse than Jigsaw and Spiral. It doesn't *have* to be - but it is. The cruel misogyny, the pointless remnants of a bigger story, and the awful acting from Gibson and Jill Tuck especially are just too hard to look past. I skip it on rewatches at least half the time.
Curious to see if you agree when you put out the Jigsaw video. I know some people claim it's the worst in the series or an embarrassment, but I think that if you can suspend disbelief, it's one of the most entertaining standalone films.
3d, jigsaw, and spiral are all pretty close for me, i'm sure they switch in my rankings a bunch depending on which i see most recently. but i agree, 3d's message really blows, and is such a disappointment
if Saw is sexist then dont watch it. that simple
great video #SuperAnalysis
thank you! :)
MORE SAW LESGOOO
YEEEEEE :)
I love the video
thank you very much! i'm glad you do :)
i love u dalt pls never stop uploading
i'll keep 'em comin :)
THANK YOU DALT !
nonono, THANK _YOU!_
Such an awful film
it's such a beautiful mess though :)
new dalt upload!!!! 🤍💛
love to see it man, super excited to see what you’ve got to say about the reboots!
thank you! :) they're so bizarre and goofy that i had a fun time with them