Cheap Mini Excavator VS Expensive Mini Excavator
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Well we put these two machines head to head. I must say im very impressed. What most of you fail to realize is that its simple, durable, and parts such as hoses, cylinders, sprockets, fittings, etc. are very generic and stocked on shelves at stores all around America. Is it going to last as long? most likely not. but so far im convinced this is a great low cost alternative for a home owner or a contractor doing light work.
I purchased off Alibaba From Shandong Nuoman Engineering Machinery.
Machine model NM-E10
As a diesel & heavy equipment mechanic since the 1970’s , I’m always amazed more bolts aren’t cross threaded nowadays..seems like no one wants to use good old forearm muscle power to start a bolt or screw in a simple screw...
i still start and tighten all bolts & nuts from (1/4 , 1/2 up to 1” inch) by hand power & then torque to spec using a torque wrench..
never cross threaded anything (knock on wood)
Cheers from HudsonBay Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
I'm just 70 year old farmer, and I never start a bolt without at least getting 3-4 threads by hand first. Field repairs are hard enough without shooting yourself in the foot.
He lost any credibility in the first 60 seconds using a rattle gun to start bolts and even taking the bolt off you can’t tell if the bolt was loose . I am a diesel mechanic and this guy would only do this once before he was out the door
100%
Exactly what I said
They guy that buys the cheapest Chinese excavator is probably going to start a bolt with a impact
So I'm an engineering student in Mechanic Engineering. The first thing my professor taught us is simple is better, the reason the fewer areas of failure a "thing" has the less likely it will fail. Meaning something that has 30 moving parts will always fail more and have a higher fail chance than something with 10 moving parts. Also, Areas of failure aren't just moving parts it's anything that can fail from a weld to a rope to a moving part anything that can break is a failure point potentially. I can also confirm what my professor said as I have noticed first hand that when I design "things" with less areas of failure they tend to work more and need fewer revisions. So the lesson to learn from this is simple is better.
Yes I completely understand the theory, ALTHOUGH I'm a pretty heavy equipment operator since 1995, I'm currently a heavy-civil construction superintendent in nyc. I can tell you from my YEARS of heavy equipment experience that some of the new equipment to come out lately is EXTREMELY COMPLEX AND COMPLICATED AND ARE SOME OF THE ABSOLUTE BEST IVE EVER HAD PRIVILEGE TO OPERATE!!!
ALSO yanmar are JUNK machines and 24grand is cheap for that size machine .
The best are caterpillar and Komatsu and either is 50grand, but they are absolutely SPECTACULAR
@@noelhalwick1568 Not everyone wants to have 50k tied up in a tool they will use to putter around their property a few times a year though
However, the Yanmar engineers have been given a different goal: how to build a device that allows us to sell our spare parts, and that can only be repaired by our "qualified centres" in order to sell more long-term warranty packages?
since the Chinese do not have repair centers in the USA, their interest is to allow an autonomous repair of the machinery, with third-party components and without the use of proprietary procedures or tools
@noelhalwick1568 when the cab is your office for 14 hours a day, these new machines really do make a world of difference. However, most people buying these machines might put on a few dozen hour a year so I don’t think the lack of comfort or creature features is going to be a dealbreaker.
I do mostly residential construction site development, it is mostly lot clearing, putting in construction roads for the tri-axles and concrete trucks, and cutting in utilities. While I wouldn’t want to go back to more basic machines on the job site, I’m interested in these cheap machines for personal and pet projects or odd jobs.
Also wouldn’t be a bad little machine for small landscaping outfits that do the occasional wall or rip out hedge rows or whatever. It’s a lot easier to justify eating the $7.5k cost for a machine that is going to be doing predominately light duty work considering these commercial mowers start around the same price.
At 10:27 that looks like a needle style grease zerk. That's why it has a button in the center. They must think a regular zerk could get broken off at that point.
You are correct.
Exactly what I thought.
I appreciate your input! after a closer look you're absolutely correct. my first time seeing fittings like this on a piece of machinery
Man I hate needle zerks.
@@dig_it_starnes5222 you might want to consider looking a lot more often. They are common on drive components and transmission components. Like a driveshaft for example. Very commonly seen on tractors like the kubota.
10:40, those are greese zerks. They're a different style then what you're used to. They use a needle fitting on your grease gun to pump grease into. Often that style is used in places where a normal grease fitting may get damaged.
I'm a millwright which is basically an industrial mechanic. Simplicity is a consistently overlooked benefit on machinery.
I'm a tool and die maker we affectionately call our millwrights hammer mechanics. You're right 9 time out of 10 simplicity is a sign of a well-designed machine.
@@nyannyan123456 amen
The few times i've been happy for a designer have been them making some insanely simple devices that replaced the "are we sure the 9-axis will be enough?" Parts we had before.
“Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.”
― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, Airman's Odyssey
that's why the AK47 is on the flags of several 3rd world nations.
A gas engine this is crap don't wast yoe tv money this is good for little kids playing in the back yard digging holes
Those grease zerks you say are missing on that china unit are a type of grease fitting you use a needle adapter on a grease gun. They use those low profile fittings to avoid being broken off.
Just going to point out longevity, it's mechanical so maintenance is going to be a key factor, diesel engines do typically stand up to more abuse.. but they cost more WHEN not if you need to replace it. Most places a yanmar engine will need to be ordered, will cost more, and require likely going to a dealership where there's typically more mark-up. Where as at least in the US, Briggs & Stratton motors are a shelf item in most Northern tool, harbor freight type stores. Also there are cheaper brands, with similar hp ratings. That's before accounting for the skills tools and time to change a "normal" engine vs a "lawn" motor.. so while you may do it sooner and possibly even multiple times, the actual down time is reduced by cost and simplicity.
I'm not saying you can't afford to replace the yanmar but most of us will hesitate more to drop a few thousand more than a few hundred as such it's highly unlikely you're going to see a sale and grab an extra because hey it's only a few hundred dollars. Plus having to order from a dealer vs either instant gratification of walking out with it or ordering from catalog that you probably have for a reason.. just my .002¢
Replacing this motor on the cheap machine is super easy. While it will take some time its pretty easy> You can even upgrade to a larger size as well if you wanted.
I got one of those push trimmers some years ago. With the intention of pulling the motor off and replacing it with a new one. It was cheaper than taking it to some shop to fix it. I got a harbor freight motor and installed in a a couple hours. No big deal.
The problem I hate with these machine cost is their shipping. I am not going to a port to pick up a machine and it is hard to find dealers in any of these kinds of things. that stack the cost on. This machine was 3200 dollars and a dealer can drop ship a bunch of them for a fraction of the cost for a single machine. Then sell them for 7500 shipped to your house anywhere in the lower 48. Yet I am sure they sell these for 15k all day long because that is how those people do it.
Lets see them ripping some stumps and roots out of the ground 👍👍 cool video would love to own either machine
@Michael Barlow Hi how are you?
It wasn't cross threaded, but probably is now by starting it with an impact wrench instead of with your fingers! lol
My first thought as well
The girl saying for the guy to hold a baby to add 10 lbs has me in stitches lmao!! Thanks girl, I needed that laugh today!
My mini excavator arrived at the sea port and I'm just waiting to clear customs and delivery to me . YAY. It took for ever though. It seems most Manufactures in AliBaba are selling these with models #'s 8, 10, 15, 17 and 19. (there may be more, but I didn't even look any further as they were price limited)
I ended up getting an OKW10 which comes as yours, with a 13.5hp Bribgs & Stratton engine. I can't wait to get mine and hopefully use it to carve paths around my property and also dig trenches and such.
The price of any other manufacturer is incredibly high. I even saw the same machine sold on Craigslist for about 12k which is way too expensive in my opinion, but still cheaper than the big name brands.
Thanks for the video. Very interesting to see what I'm about to get.
Which attachments do they usually come with? What was shipping/customs for you?
@@realMysta As far as I know, they only come with a standard bucket. If you want others, then you have to ask. Excavator base price was about $3750. For attachments I added a Narrow bucket with teeth, a Tilting Wide bucket, a Grapple, a Ripper, a braking hammer, a Quick Hitch, an Auger Drill. (I figured, I'd order it once and not get any attachments after this) Then I also paid and extra $350 to make the boom be able to swing left and right, and $350 to have the tracks at the bottom be able to extend and contract. (this adds stability to the unit, but also lets you make the unit more narrow to get into tight spaces).
I think I paid another $100 for the canopy and $50 to add a fan to the hydraulic system to keep the fluid cooler.
All in, it came out to $5456 for the machine, and $2544 for all shipping/taxes/import/etc... all the way to my location. (Sutter Creek, CA)
At first they said it was going to be unloaded but it ended up being a lie. So I ended up spending another $300 to have a neighbor bring their skidsteer with a forklift attachment to unload it from the truck. So $8,300 ALL IN. Plus about 3 month wait.
@@luissinsin Not bad! Thanks for the reply. I had a similar experience with a large laser cutter- had to unload it myself. Which model did you get and which store?
Appreciate the video, great info. Hopefully can get a phone with HD recording soon!
Well here's a thought about longevity testing. You've got some friends I'd assume. Have them hop on it and dig a hole somewhere every time they come over to rack up some hours in a short period of time. Through that process, you'll be able to quickly find out how she holds up.
I have to admit you swayed me from the YAMMAR to the cheaper one.
28:30 you killed me with that one!
The race was highly entertaining :-)
I would test stability, how much can it safely swing from one side to another. Also would be curious, if you could figure out which one moves or lifts it’s own weight easier. I personally prefer a machine that has enough power to lift itself off the ground. Really helps if you get mired in mud.
Clearly the chinise one have more power and for sure is lighter as it has no counter weight..
But good idea to test swing load. other channel have a video where they dig a hole. drive in it and manage to come out by using the boom so i think it has more than enough powah and herspers.
When you say the cheaper excavator is missing grease zerks I believe those are low profile grease ports that require a needle tip to grease. They are often placed in areas that could be sheared off when digging.
But you can bay 3 vs 1 if you go on China made. You can take 3 works vs 1? So which will you prefer?
That snail race got me cracking😂
good job i need to get one for the price it’s perfect i’m sold after your tests well done
I suppose each excavator has good and bad points, I have zero experience in operating mini heavy equipment but I've operated lage front end loaders and other various equipment, they are expensive to purchase and repairs can be very expensive as well. The cheap excavator sounds like a better all around price of equipment for home use or someone starting out.
Your analysis is very objective, and I give my thumbs up.
Great stuff brothers from a fan from northern Ireland just wish we had a neighbour like you and your mates
Love the video and been following the full series but what happened to the quality of the video
im not sure, looking into that now
I have the same problem
figured it out.. I downloaded at the wrong quality. going to repost in HD
@@dig_it_starnes5222 nice!
I’m really enjoying your channel…. Just found it today
I would love to own that Chinese machine you should use that as a giveaway
im gona do a survey and see if people would be interested
@Scott Stiffler Hi how are you?
Durability and residual value. Oh and parts availability. Remove the pins on that Chinese machine and compare the quality. That inferior quality will be the common theme throughout the machine. Hence the price point and durability.
I never could have imagined I would be in the market for a mini excavator, but yet here I am. We make plans, and God laughs is real! Thank you for an awesome review, which is very helpful in planning a mission I have been called to participate in.
Having a Briggs and Stratton motor make it easier to get service parts to s service yourself. Both parents retired from B&S, so i am a little partial.
This is hilarious because I was going to see if you wanted to test it against my sv08, I don’t live far away
10:27 those are grease fittings. They're just low profile.
Nice comparison tests. Good idea for a topic.
LOVE your videos my friend. Did you ever do a part 2 to this one? Maybe I'm just not finding it? Thank you!
The complete long run the Yamaha will last it and hold its value better how about parts for the Chinese machine like the hydraulic pump not the motor or valve bodies does it have an oil cooler on the hydraulics
the chinese digger uses a standard pump, you can get them on ebay for like $50, same with motors, valves everything (maybe ring gear would be hard to get) the only way it doesnt work out long term is if you have to pay someone to do the repairs for you - if you have the time and skills there is no way the yanmar is cheaper, i bet the japanese are very worried, the chinese can only get better
After a thousand to 2,000 hours I'd like to see how the undercarriage stands up as well as the boom abusing to see what happens
I don't think you can compare the lifting, because Yannmar is strict when it comes to Safety so it has the Cut - out feature and set to relief, the other would tip over first.
Love this series man, keep up the great content!
Thanks boys, this was interesting. How do you think this could grade
Hello, how is the machine doing after months, what broke and what parts did you change?
Bolt should have been started by hand probably has a cross thread issue now.
Great video!👍🏻
Yanmar, sany, and a few others are made by the same factories. They have many models to choose from
No Sany is chinese.yanmar Japan quality.
I just bought one a few weeks ago new. 5000cad at RB auction. Great little machine
They’re both shite because the levers are in front of you so there’s nowhere to rest your wrists which results in things getting a little jerky in hard ground. I used to drive the kubota which had the same lever setup. I’ve now got the Takeuchi which has proper levers either side of the seat and I think the only other I’ve seen with proper lever setup is a bobcat but they’re rare over here in the uk 🇬🇧
@Ryan Jon Hi how are you?
Haven’t seen one better than the doosan dx10z (or bobcat e10z) they aren’t that rare in the uk doosan is top choice I have a dx27z also
Here in 🇬🇧 there are lots of those Chinese diggers for sale secondhand with low hours, often with faults. The noise and jerkiness of the controls put me off, plus it will break regularly. Great video though, thanks.
Buy 2 cheap ones, one for spare parts.. still 30% cheaper and all those spare parts give you longevity.. or just buy one more any time it's too expensive to fix and jeep the old one for spare parts
How are you so smart? lol, my stomach hurts from laughing
Do you have a higher quality video?
Thats crazy for the price. A backhoe attachment for a sub-compact or compact tractor costs what that whole machine does. All while being less capable than the little chinese machine.
Best competitive race I've seen in weeks. o7
The seat adjusted backwards and in the same time the counterweight😁
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I thought the same thing. Boy needs to lay off that bananananana pudding!!
That brake clean might’ve messed up that o ring if anything but🤣 oh well
Someone complain about longevity? That damn B&S engine can be replaced in 8 minutes for less than 1k. Seemes like simplicity wins this round.
Hopefully you went back and repainted the bare steel to prevent rust, esp @ and under that bolt. Do complete work ~
its machined stainless steel. it won't rust
Yeah that's bs ~
Was the price even cheaper because of the missing canopy bar?
The cheaper one is missing ROPS, was it removed?
the fact there was a missing piece of the roll bar and a hydraulic leak on the cheap mini off the bat says it all for me but horses for courses.i would like to see the same tests on the same machines
after a coupe of years working.
Exactly,Yanmar is a commercial machine. that other one is very cheap.not for every day all day.
Used to work on a golf course years ago,we use yannmar machines they couldn't pull you out of bed.
Last vid you said you'd compare to a bobcat. Yanmar is a grey market. Basically a brand name chinese vs the cheapest most basic one you could order from china. I looked into ordering these Chinese units and you can order diesel motor, retracting tracks, different sized buckets etc.
yanmar is a name brand. more so than Kubota. This "grey market" you speak of is a term for used foreign machines that get imported very cheaply after they have reached a midway point on their useful life. units ordered new to America are built to a higher standard and have many options. The yanmar in the video is highly equipped, and just as good, if not better than any bobcat or Kubota of the same size
This video was only in 360p for me oddly
You should get the matching skid steer. Joking aside, do they make one?
Do you have a electric version to recommend ?
Looks like you should become a dealership for them . Obviously it's worth the $. I want one.
What other machines do thay sell. Knowing the Chinese they have carnival rides too. Lol
I could fix anything on the cheap one very cheaply and itd also be cheap to modify and add the features you want.
Will the Chinese one be able to dig 10 ft trenches for geothermal hose laying?
I'm sure you know this but we should never start a nut or bold with any power tool. Start it by hand then use a power tool if you must.
nice comparison Im with you on the cheap Chinese one
I’m convinced to get whatever machine from China built with a Yanmar engine.
The race was fantastic 👏 👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣🤣
Doesn't matter how long it lasts. It will pay for it self in a couple of jobs. Plus it can be fixed with off the shelf parts. For this price you are ahead of the game. You can buy 3 of these for the same price as 1 of the other. I doubt the other one will last 3 times longer.
If you doubt that, you know nothing about machines
Thank goodness it was not cross threaded. LoL, if us Married Men even dare go through a house door. We be digging a Man cave.
New (many versions of the same basic machine) are selling at Ritchie Auctions in the $4->5,000 range with a cab. Diesel version are about double the price, so not worth it IMHO. Just bought one.
No cross threading! (proceeds to reassemble with impact wrench to ensure cross threading)
I can't believe you didn't hand start the bolt lol
“ ima say this one wins” the real question is for how long?
We have an import one, works fine for small jobs, for a fraction of the price...around 7k
If it continues to leak a copper washer may fix it.
@Brad Phillips Hi how are you?
Good thing no cross thread. I worked w/a guy who would take and put back in, spark plugs w/drill. So much re-threading
We in Asia benefit so much through goods from China. Cheap price in addition to spare parts that are easy to find. Everything is fine, no problem.
I'm sold!!!
It hurt so much for me to see you use an impact on a highly important bolt, you say you were so concerned about cross threading but why would you ever drive a Bolton without threading it in by hand first!? Just asking for problems any how good vid
I don't think the bars on the Chinese Ex is considered a roll bar. The ones I have seen look pretty flimsy. Great video on the comparison. I thought the Yanmar would beat it in the race side by side. Thanks as you convinced me that the Chinese is what I will go with.
Do a 5 hr continuously digging to see how it holds up to a real days work
how does it dig in ground that hasn't been worked at all? Just regular grass in a yard, how well does it dig? Can you post a video of it doing that?
What's the prices of both of them?
Volume = Length × Depth × Width
So, the volume of the Yanmar rental's hole was approximately 14 cubic feet, and the volume of the Chinese mini-excavator's hole is approximately 15.9996 cubic feet, which we can round to 16 cubic feet for practical purposes. It's safe to say that the Chinese one has a bigger hole. 🙃
For a reminder, the Chinese mini finished in 6 min 1 sec, and the Yanmar was 5 min 55 sec.
Another 2 cubic feet would probably take another whole bucketful for the Yanmar which would've made it pretty close to the same time as the Chinese mini.
Seems like the Chinese mini might break down more often with the gasoline engine, exposed motors by the rear track hubs, a lack of gear oil nozzles on the boom arm (it did have ports to install them though), and rubber hoses (cheap & plentiful), but with the Briggs & Stratton motor parts being so plentiful (in the US at least) since they're known for their lawn mowers here, it should be pretty cheap and easy to deal with. I'd definitely add some lead weights to it's back-end though. You can get them from used forklift shops for a fair deal.
Great video! Little disappointed that smart guys like you are using the calculators on your "smart" phones for simple math! LOL!
Wow more time of my life I won’t get back
I can't believe how fast your channel grew in such a short amount of time. Nice Work and I'm definitely taking notes. I can't believe how TH-cam pushed out your content in Just a few videos.
thouse bolt things on the cheep digger are actually greass fittings. just a different design. there harder to fill but also harder to snap off!
Please do review after 1 yr. I would like to see wear and rust...it might look ok, but long term ?
You are funny and happy😂
Keep in mind buy cheap, buy three times, just saying you pays your money and takes your choice
GOOD LUCK WITH PARTS IN A FEW YEARS !
The cool and sad part of this is how expensive the yanmar is the cool part is learning the overseas guy does just as well and you can almost buy three of those compared to the cost of buying one yanmar
Hello from the Netherlands .
next test : lifting maximum weight WITHOUT using the front blade .
see where the tipping point is .
thanks for the video .
Sincerely, Hollandduck
What's up man I'm a Starnes too...🤔
Slowest drag race ever! 😄 🤣
This is Jason Zhao from Yantai Aocheng Construction Machinery Co., Ltd. A company specializing in mini excavator manufacturing, engaged in production for more than 10 years, sincerely looking for global dealers to cooperate with.
I would be interested ' can you give me your info? Can you send us a demo models?
This excavator is made by us, I am a domestic manufacturer
I’ve deadlifted more than the yanmar lol
They probably cost the same to make. Maybe the Red one is 1.5 times more costly, but no way it is 3 times more. Maybe the dealer took the other 1.5 cut from the selling price, ie 50% gross margin.
I have owned both and currently still have my kubota u17. These machines shouldnt even be compaired. Its like compairing a lowes troy bilt lawn mower to a commercial grade lawn mower. Both cut grass but there is no comparison. The chinese unit is good for a homeowner who only uses it once in a while. Same for welders, do you think Ill be handing down my lincoln welder to my children or the chinese yes welder that seems to weld just as good?
Not hating at all on the mini chinese unit, it has its place in the market, it just isnt on the same field as the name brand