I would love for the PDGA to come out with how the brainstorming sessions came up with some of these more questionable rules. Good on you guys for calling it. Brodie, even if you stopped playing on the tour I think your involvement is key to the future success. I hope you keep going to these events even if simply as a media person. Cheers! 🍻
So if she actually instructed him to get it, note that would be violation of 810.D and she would have instead received an additional penalty stroke… at which point she would presumably choose to abandon the throw and re-tee shooting 3
Back in high school in the early 80s we were playing our cross town rival in football. Towards the end we were up by 3 and they were clearly running for a long TD when a guy on our team purposely stepped on the field and collided with the runner. The kid was ejected and we were penalized 15 yards from where the collision occurred. However, we stopped them and won. Totally unfair but that was the rule they had in place.
Falcon might work, but a golden retriever literally is an animal that loves to catch discs and could be taught to take it to the basket. Air Bud, but with some real air. Cut to Luke Humphries getting a drop-in 2 on some 1000 foot par 5 with his buddy right by his side, haha.
DGPT needs to reach out to the local disc golf club of each city they stop in and get 12-18ish people who are certified officials to volunteer to be rules officials at the event. Get the people who are Running/TD’ing multiple local events each year and a handful of the local pros/legends. 6 people per shift covering ~3 holes each. Give them free access to the event on the days/shifts they don’t officiate. Give them walkie talkies or some other way to efficiently contact the TD in case of a tricky situation. Rules can easily be verified/validated, Close OB calls can be decided on, stances/foot faults can mostly be overseen.
We have pros who don't even know all the rules and you expect to get 12 to 18 people in each area that a DGPT event is held to volunteer for free to do this and know the rules and not have a bias?
The rule is necessary, but perhaps it should be clarified between intentional hitting and being hit in an OB area. What if a disc is over OB intentionally, looks like it's probably coming back in, and it's smacked down? Now what if it's just someone who doesn't get out of the way and lets himself get hit?
PDGA/DGPT needs to have officials on the course to arbitrate things like this. At the professional level, it shouldn't be on the players. At the AM level, yeah you police yourselves; at the local tournament, C or B Tier, yeah. Pro Tour? Officials on the course every few holes.
@@danielwhoI There's a lot of people paying DGN anywhere from $6 to $20 a month. SOMEBODY got money. They just need to decide they're going to invest in their tour.
@@WKelly42 They pay out $20K for first place at world championship.... I cannot find another sport that has a smaller payout in the US. Tried water polo or figure skating, bowling, nope, everything pays WAY better. No one has any real money in DG
People really don’t have a clue how many volunteers are needed at these events and how little money they have to work with. And officials don’t grow on trees, especially for free
This is rather speculative, but I could easily see how a buddy of a player who is watching his round catches a disc going OB just to help him out. I mean you could abuse the rule intentionally quite easily. I really don't know how you should formulate a waterproof rule though.
You just contradicted yourself. Said it was a stupid rule. You shouldn’t get to re throw. Then tried to relate it to the nfl saying the nfl would replay, AKA rethrow. So what exactly do you think should happen?
From my point of view, the diver is on the op line. So there is nothing to argue. But, it should be indisputable, and not leave thing up to interpretation. So he should probably have stayed a few meters further to the right.
So did Madison and Uli actually "cheat" because they didnt take their lie at the point of contact or rethrow? A rule is a rule and you should still be penalized even if you didnt know the rule (or choose to ignore it).
If that's how the rule is written, it's a really bad rule. You're telling me that the PDGA is leaving it up to someone's REALLY subjective opinion of whether it's POSSIBLE the shot could MAYBE land back in bounds?? That's nuts.
@@WKelly42 These kinds of calls are all over the place when it comes to things like OB. For instance, did the disc cross some imaginary boundary and if so, where? It's one of the reasons I don't like courses with a lot of OB. My ideal disc golf involves playing the disc where it lands unless the disc is irretrievable (i.e. lost). Then replay the previous shot with a one-stroke penalty.
It would not have mattered it would have been unplayable if it did stick saw grass and had no chance to skip out complete bs this guy getting roasted for nothing
Online disc golfers and redditors continuing the trend of being the most out of touch drama goblins of all time. If my disc was late turning into that water like hers, I wouldn't have cared if a spectator jumped the ropes and power dived off the bank to grab it. I'm taking the stroke anyway and now I get my disc back for the rest of the tournament. I understand the rule that Brodie brings up. But I'm pretty sure that wasn't written for SEA PEOPLE.
I personally feel that Brodie should work on his game instead of media.. You have to have the game to get the media... Brodie does not have the game or the rating....
Brodie you are way off on the rule for this. You need to look up subsection "D" of the interference section but since you didn't I'm giving it to you here "It is a violation if a player or their equipment interferes with the course of their own thrown disc. The throw and one penalty throw are counted in the player's score; the player continues play from the previous lie. Any other penalty throws incurred by the throw are disregarded. If a throw is interfered with by request of the thrower, that is considered the same as a player interfering with their own throw." - that last part is important... "by request of the thrower" so this would essentially play like just like "abandon throw" normally does. (for those that are not familiar with that either: just like "lost disc" except you still have the disc) - the rule you DID zone in on is what it would be if the diver stops the disc without being asked to.
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Lmao I love how Hunter’s brain immediately starts plotting up how he can exploit this to break par at new london
Bro's ultimate instincts kicked in
Ultra Instinct
Diver is my homie, the snag was necessary, you’ll never get your disc out of the reeds
Tell him to quick toss the disc under the basket next time
@@TheAmazingHuman-Man 810 F in your handy dandy PDGA rule book
Yo! That thumbnail is me but none of those divers are me. I would never, ever dive during tourney play. Love you guys.
liked the coverage/analysis of the Walker/diver disc issue.
I would love for the PDGA to come out with how the brainstorming sessions came up with some of these more questionable rules. Good on you guys for calling it. Brodie, even if you stopped playing on the tour I think your involvement is key to the future success. I hope you keep going to these events even if simply as a media person. Cheers! 🍻
So if she actually instructed him to get it, note that would be violation of 810.D and she would have instead received an additional penalty stroke… at which point she would presumably choose to abandon the throw and re-tee shooting 3
So all the rollers that hit a spectator and stay out of bounds can essentially be abandoned and re thrown?
"Intentional" but yeah if a spectator looks like he wanted to, I guess you could.
I just want to know whose signature is on that yellow gatekeeper disc behind Uli
Back in high school in the early 80s we were playing our cross town rival in football. Towards the end we were up by 3 and they were clearly running for a long TD when a guy on our team purposely stepped on the field and collided with the runner. The kid was ejected and we were penalized 15 yards from where the collision occurred. However, we stopped them and won. Totally unfair but that was the rule they had in place.
this is such a non issue and people trying to make it bigger than it is, are ruining the sport.
So, can I train a falcon to catch my disc mid flight and drop it in the basket?
Falcon might work, but a golden retriever literally is an animal that loves to catch discs and could be taught to take it to the basket. Air Bud, but with some real air.
Cut to Luke Humphries getting a drop-in 2 on some 1000 foot par 5 with his buddy right by his side, haha.
I had to hit it off Frankensteins fat foot, those are the rules!!
"Jumps out of the water." he literally lifted his arm to head level to catch it.
What about when a disc hits a camera operator?
*sneaks the diver a crisp $5 bill
What does ball golf have as a rule for that?
I hit a 800 yard drive one time, it landed in the greens keeper’s gator and dropped it by the hole
if he didn't catch it he would have had to enter a sawgrass maze of hell to get it back anyway
So could this have been used when it hit that spotter and went into the bunker for AB in the past?
That wasn’t intentional
DGPT needs to reach out to the local disc golf club of each city they stop in and get 12-18ish people who are certified officials to volunteer to be rules officials at the event. Get the people who are Running/TD’ing multiple local events each year and a handful of the local pros/legends.
6 people per shift covering ~3 holes each. Give them free access to the event on the days/shifts they don’t officiate. Give them walkie talkies or some other way to efficiently contact the TD in case of a tricky situation.
Rules can easily be verified/validated, Close OB calls can be decided on, stances/foot faults can mostly be overseen.
We have pros who don't even know all the rules and you expect to get 12 to 18 people in each area that a DGPT event is held to volunteer for free to do this and know the rules and not have a bias?
For the NFL if the guy was going for a touchdown and is tackled by a fan or a coach, which has happened, the player is given the touchdown
The rule is necessary, but perhaps it should be clarified between intentional hitting and being hit in an OB area. What if a disc is over OB intentionally, looks like it's probably coming back in, and it's smacked down? Now what if it's just someone who doesn't get out of the way and lets himself get hit?
"so long as such interference does not result in an improved lie"
You did a "deep dive" on the rule
PDGA/DGPT needs to have officials on the course to arbitrate things like this. At the professional level, it shouldn't be on the players. At the AM level, yeah you police yourselves; at the local tournament, C or B Tier, yeah. Pro Tour? Officials on the course every few holes.
they barely have any paid employees at events, aint nobody got money
@@danielwhoI There's a lot of people paying DGN anywhere from $6 to $20 a month. SOMEBODY got money. They just need to decide they're going to invest in their tour.
@@WKelly42 They pay out $20K for first place at world championship.... I cannot find another sport that has a smaller payout in the US. Tried water polo or figure skating, bowling, nope, everything pays WAY better. No one has any real money in DG
People really don’t have a clue how many volunteers are needed at these events and how little money they have to work with. And officials don’t grow on trees, especially for free
Believe it or not, straight to jail
This is rather speculative, but I could easily see how a buddy of a player who is watching his round catches a disc going OB just to help him out. I mean you could abuse the rule intentionally quite easily.
I really don't know how you should formulate a waterproof rule though.
The guy was trying to do them a favor. No chance for inbounds
I get that but if I'm playing for cash like that than I'll sacrifice the disc for a chance. I'm sure they'll get plenty for free.
@@anthony452if you were playing for cash and you know it’s going to be OB wouldn’t you rather have the disc in your bag?
@@anthony452if I’m playing for cash, I would also like to throw my main discs instead of backups haha
You just contradicted yourself. Said it was a stupid rule. You shouldn’t get to re throw. Then tried to relate it to the nfl saying the nfl would replay, AKA rethrow. So what exactly do you think should happen?
It's a very necessary rule.
From my point of view, the diver is on the op line. So there is nothing to argue. But, it should be indisputable, and not leave thing up to interpretation. So he should probably have stayed a few meters further to the right.
So did Madison and Uli actually "cheat" because they didnt take their lie at the point of contact or rethrow? A rule is a rule and you should still be penalized even if you didnt know the rule (or choose to ignore it).
The rule only applies if it's logically possible that your shot can reach in bounds or playable lie
If that's how the rule is written, it's a really bad rule. You're telling me that the PDGA is leaving it up to someone's REALLY subjective opinion of whether it's POSSIBLE the shot could MAYBE land back in bounds?? That's nuts.
@@WKelly42 These kinds of calls are all over the place when it comes to things like OB. For instance, did the disc cross some imaginary boundary and if so, where?
It's one of the reasons I don't like courses with a lot of OB. My ideal disc golf involves playing the disc where it lands unless the disc is irretrievable (i.e. lost). Then replay the previous shot with a one-stroke penalty.
It would not have mattered it would have been unplayable if it did stick saw grass and had no chance to skip out complete bs this guy getting roasted for nothing
It sure looked like it was gonna be a nightmare to find haha
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Online disc golfers and redditors continuing the trend of being the most out of touch drama goblins of all time. If my disc was late turning into that water like hers, I wouldn't have cared if a spectator jumped the ropes and power dived off the bank to grab it. I'm taking the stroke anyway and now I get my disc back for the rest of the tournament.
I understand the rule that Brodie brings up. But I'm pretty sure that wasn't written for SEA PEOPLE.
Brodie not having a high IQ take when challenged on whether or not it would make sense in some situations
I wouldn't even call that a diver. Is just some dude swimming. Atleast have a snorkel or something.
Brodie's interpretation of the rule is wrong. the lie would still be out of bounds because it was out of bounds when the diver interfered
Never going to make it in bounds quit crying
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I personally feel that Brodie should work on his game instead of media.. You have to have the game to get the media... Brodie does not have the game or the rating....
How many fans at an NFL game could actually tackle one of the players
#brodiesmithsuxxx
Brodie you are way off on the rule for this. You need to look up subsection "D" of the interference section but since you didn't I'm giving it to you here "It is a violation if a player or their equipment interferes with the course of their own thrown disc. The throw and one penalty throw are counted in the player's score; the player continues play from the previous lie. Any other penalty throws incurred by the throw are disregarded. If a throw is interfered with by request of the thrower, that is considered the same as a player interfering with their own throw." - that last part is important... "by request of the thrower" so this would essentially play like just like "abandon throw" normally does. (for those that are not familiar with that either: just like "lost disc" except you still have the disc) - the rule you DID zone in on is what it would be if the diver stops the disc without being asked to.