The Legend of Zelda (and how Tunic honors it)
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The original Legend of Zelda's design is driven by player discovery and ingenuity, and although its language was on the verge of being forgotten - Tunic beautifully resurrected it. Both games together are a powerful example of how art is universal.
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The Legend of Zelda - Instruction Manual and Map www.nintendo.co.jp/clv/manual...
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Zelda 1 English and Japanese Manual Differences legendsoflocalization.com/the...
Zelda 1 English and Japanese In-Game Text Differences legendsoflocalization.com/the...
Shigeru Miyamoto - GDC Keynote 2007 • Shigeru Miyamoto 2007 ...
Interview with Andrew Shouldice (2015) web.archive.org/web/202201052...
Chapters
0:00 Intro
4:34 The Legend of Zelda
27:54 Tunic
38:42 Conclusion
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Thanks for watching! It took a while to write this one. Breath of the Wild is next.
Does babble teach hylian? Had u made that your html link you'd have made a lot more hits
Damn 60% is alot
Not sure if it came up in comments yet but the "Eastmost pennisula is the secret" isn't a mistranslation. It is one of a few of the dialog options that was outright change. As to what it refers to is a secret area above the screen with the money making game that has a moblin that gives you 100 rupees.
Tunic honestly is worth playing for how cute a Link-cosplaying fox is on its own
That golden page puzzle in Tunic is such galaxy brain, ascended levels of game design. It sounds like something you'd hear on the school playground and you feel like this massive conspiracy theorist trying to solve it. It's the kind of puzzle that only a game like Tunic could have made.
Deadass the coolest puzzle in any game I’ve done. Literally transcends the screen of the game world as I had to draw it out
@@brycecartwright2403 first video game in a while that made my break out the pen and paper. The spinning light pattern one too - I ended up rotating the paper to copy it down and it was such a cool moment
I could not figure it out so I had to look it up
@@thebluest_blue1145 This is when I remembered that you had the spell to slow down time to note down the pattern more easily.
@@ArchsageCanas i found that thing early on, could not figure out what to use it for, and promptly forgot about it lol
I will never forget how excited I felt when I was scrawling all the runes in my notebook and finally related a picture to a word and realized how the structure was set up. My little fox just sat there for two hours while I flipped through the guide for two hours until I reverse engineered the entire language. Once in a lifetime game experience for sure. Still listen to the soundtrack during work.
will babbel teach me trunic?
I wish
No, but a furry on youtube will
@@1925683 same thing lol
The only bad thing about tunic is that you can't replay it
Once in a lifetime experience, it's incredible
Every time I recommend Tunic to someone (which is all the time): I can't tell you ANYTHING, but if you trust me at all, then you HAVE to play it.
You *can* replay it. It won't be the same experience, but it will be a new experience. Spoilers...
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New Game + offers a "Second Quest"-like mode with additional enemies, tougher all around but you have the additional stats, most equipment, and all the skills you've built up.
Also, you might find it interesting to see what sort of self-imposed challenges and sequence breaks you can accomplish. I myself started a new save file so I could try completing the game completely swordless, in homage to swordless Zelda runs. (Though perhaps it's closer in spirit to wooden-sword-only runs because I did still pick up the stick!) Or fighting the bosses in reverse order, or watching a speedrun and seeing if you can pull off some of the same tricks. The fun only stops when you stop having it!
@@alfadorfox You can never have the realization "I've had the Holy Cross this whole time" a 2nd time though. That's the type of stuff people mean when they say you can't re-play it for the first time again. But the new game + is fun.
*Cries in Outer Wilds*
@@adamc5914 That's true. But reading a book for a second time is also a new experience, and also often very worth it. You'll notice things you didn't notice before. I didn't break the code of Trunic until I'd finished the game, so every hidden message I found on my second playthrough was an opportunity to reveal something I hadn't understood before, but that was there all along.
Hearing about Zelda 1 from this perspective is genuinely fascinating. I had always thought Zelda 1 was a bit of an archaic beast that was simply outdone by A Link to the Past, but now I'm honestly really considering giving it another shot very soon. And when it comes to Tunic, I was immediately impressed just by how much your description of reading the manual and deciphering clues left in the game was exactly like my experience with Tunic. I knew Tunic was inspired by Zelda, but I had no idea it set out to recreate the experience of Zelda 1 in the 80s. Coupled with the video on the game by Transparency (th-cam.com/video/rYoZr24Zoao/w-d-xo.html), and even my own experiences with the Souls games, this video really puts into perspective for me just how special Zelda 1 really is. As an aside, I don't know if you ever plan to cover the Souls series or you just couldn't get into them, hearing that the director of Dark Souls said he wanted to create a game that relied on many of the same ideas as Zelda 1 like sharing information with your friends; buying guides; smartly interpreting the menu and in-game dialogue; and simply dying until you get good, but knew it would be experienced by people with access to the internet. Stuff like online walkthroughs, let's plays, streams, etc. would make the strategy guide a free, universal tool. So, why not design the game around some of that? That was the idea at least. When I heard that and learned to get over my own "gamer pride", Dark Souls became one of my favorite games ever. I'm kind of amazed by how this exact thing that I experienced with Dark Souls was articulated so clearly in the 80's on 8-bit hardware without any blueprint. God, Zelda is so cool!
A 14-hour comment on a 4-minute old video?
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First time I played it I also thought it was archaic and obsolete. Then I ‘understood’ NES games, and played it with a manual and some tips online, and it clicked-one of the best 2D games I’ve ever played. People nowadays just don’t understand the way you’re supposed to approach it and expect the game itself to spoon-feed you.
I recommend giving it another try. This time read the manual, and have a map of the overworld with some tips. The original manual even has half the map, suggesting you to draw the rest. Drawing maps is another totally forgotten aspect of gaming, despite being pretty fun and integral to some games (Metroid too).
Tunic blew my mind. In a time when games are force feeding you the answers, it was an extremely satisfying experience solving every puzzle and each discovery you find was amazing.
It was amazing breaking out the note book and physically writing things down and just using paper to put together some puzzles.
@@banditodandito357 Seriously! Me too !
It also blows my mind that it was inspired by Zelda 1, the first game in a franchise that eventually started force feeding you the answers too. You still suck, Fi.
Learning the language was such a mind-blowing experience. Sure I had help, and even utilized the tool to decode it--but once I took the time to decode it myself my mind broke.
I'll be implementing this into my DnD game, as well as attempting to fill in the language with 1 or 2 other phonemes that weren't really represented in tunic
I still haven't decoded the music, I'm a lil too tone-deaf for that--but knowing about it makes me so happy
honored to work on this thumbnail! thanks for letting me have the chance to draw it!
Nice link art! Cute lil tunic guy too
I’m so glad Tunic is getting some love. Such a fantastic little game that completely captured my mind and imagination when first playing it. I hadn’t had that child-like sense of wonder and exploration in videos games in so long, it was the most refreshing thing.
That golden path puzzle is what made Tunic my GOTY last year. I didnt use pen and paper to solve it, but I did do a digital equivalent. The fact that a game had me taking screenshots and assembling them like a virtual craft project in Photoshop was just so unique and cool I knew no other gaming moment of the year could top it. More of that in games please
aw i did it on a piece of paper but imagining screenshotting every section and stitching them together sounds so awesome
curious tho what did you do for the one section of the path that (without spoilers) you can't really screenshot, at least all at once
@@acblook Since I traced the line on a separate layer on top of the collage (to make it clearer), I just manually drew the one you're referring to into the gap.
The Golden Path puzzle is one of the best puzzles in video game history. Also, the reward is immensely satisfying, because it means so much more for what it is, than what it provides.
I was a kid in the eighties when Zelda first came out. I can confirm that playground exchanges about who found what secret were absolutely a part of the experience. There was nothing else quite like it at the time and it was awesome. (Also, you just sold me Tunic. Thanks for the great video!)
This was beyond a masterpiece Liam, keep doing these videos
Upon discovering The Golden Path's intended solution I literally shouted out loud in awe and glee.
Tunic does such an impressive job layering and staggering these revelations and discoveries about its world: get the sword > "oh I can cut down this bushes", get the ___ > "oh I can interact with those hooks", understand the ___ > "oh I can open that now".
I find Zelda 1 to be the most underrated Zelda game of all time. There is this sense of magic that comes in the act of discovering this game's many secrets. As almost every secret in this game is beneficial, like an upgrade, or new item, or a new shop that gives you discounted items. It's like A Link Between Worlds sorta, but the items are all obscured and it requires you to become acquainted the world more. Nothing is straight up given to the player, where puzzle solving is handled in such a unique way: through riddles. What makes this game even greater is the fact that you can apply the knowledge you obtain from your first play through of the game, to subsequent playthroughs and even friends who you show this game to! An underappreciated aspect of this game is the difficulty balancing in my opinion. As the game has dungeons in a specific order that get harder as you progress. This is the stuff I would have loved to see more in BotW. Not that BotW is a bad game, far from it! But, it just needs more Zelda 1 in my opinion. If you have gotten yourself intimately familiar with both games like me, I think you can understand what I am trying to say here... hopefully. Haha. Anyways, if you read all of this, I thank you and hope you have a lovely day! :)
Full disclosure, I have never played Tunic, but the game looks great though from what I have heard! I only own a Switch and a PC though and I heard that the Switch is the worst way to play it and I don’t have controller to play on PC. Is it worth playing on Switch for the inherent downsides it has?
honestly solving the door puzzle without external help was the most amazing and satisfying moment in a video game in a while, like a whole adventure in itself. and then i found out that wasn't the place i needed to progresss, but one of the last pages of the manual that would lock me out of the final fight, so i had to go back for a while
I loved the sense of discovery and inspiration that Tunic gave me! Thanks for talking about it, and sharing the way through the original Zelda. One beautiful thing about Tunic is how much of the manual is directly inspired by LOZ's, it was pretty cute once I pulled it up for the first time.
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I live in Iran, and as such our games came from Europe. I played both Zelda 1 and Link to the Past in GERMAN! With no internet, no magazine subs.
Took me literally years to 100% the game; but oh wow, how good it felt when we discovered a secret...
Greetings from Germany
Looking for the Holy Cross in TUNIC led to what is legitimately the most amazing feeling I've ever had playing a video game. TUNIC also truly captures the idea of drawing out your own maps as you discussed earlier in the video. I had been playing it for a while but I had to leave the game behind while going on a vacation. What was so amazing was I was able to continue playing the game in my head even while away. I took photos of my screen at some specific sections I won't mention to avoid spoilers, and I was able to put those on my iPad to trace and draw and create a map of what truly looked like the markings of a madman. But it made sense, I solved it out in the real world, in my mind, long before I was able to play it in the game. That was such an amazing experience.
TUNIC IS A MASTERPIECE! the way the game will allow you to miss things until it gives you a hint to something that you could do at the start of the game is so fun!
liam triforce video about tunic is all ive ever wanted my whole life
This video brought me back to being around 9 years old with my dad showing me how to play Legend of Zelda for the first time. I have never cried more watching something. Tunic is my favorite game of all time, and it brought me almost as many tears as this video did. I want to thank you for making such an inspiring retrospective on something not many people care to watch. You are amazing Liam, thank you
I didn't grow up with the original Legend of Zelda, but I had played around with it a little over the years. I didn't make much progress back then and definitely assumed it to be one of those old school games that was just obtuse by design. I didn't realize the game's manual contained such helpful content and I wish I had known sooner. I played Tunic right when it came out and could immediately see that it sought to replicate that aura of mystique of games from back then. It made me think back to being a young kid playing games like Pokemon Red while still learning to read, not fully grasping the meaning of every word I saw. I thoroughly enjoyed seeking out all the manual pages of Tunic and deciphering the secrets of the game, refusing to look anything up. It was a really magical experience that I'll never forget. It can be a tough game to sell to other people as it does require a degree of patience and willingness to sometimes be a little stumped, but the payoff was well worth it. Great job on this video and conveying what makes both games so special!
I played tunic because of this video and it was one of my favourite gaming experiences of all time I can’t recommend it enough
My Dad and grandma always told me how my Dad used to be the best at the OG Zelda and would have neighbors coming over to his house asking for help with Zelda.
When I got into Retro gaming, I got a nes with Mario 3 and Zelda. My Dad, brother and me played it together for at least a few hours on occasion. And when I played alone, I had to rely on asking my Dad for help since he knows where every item is, how to kill the enemies, everything.
I got the Nintendo power with the Map, which helped but still needed help. Regardless, Zelda 1 has given me years of enjoyment just through the time I’ve spent with my Dad and those rare moments I’ve connected with my brother while playing a game.
As somebody who was a kid in the 80s and owned the original Zelda, I'm incredibly impressed with how you managed to dig in and understand the spirit of the original Zelda game. I didn't think it was possible to be truly appreciated for what it was by anybody born after the internet became prevelant.
Zelda came out the year I was born and was practically raised on the series from its inception. One of my earliest memories was me at like 4-5 years old drawing a Zelda 2 style palace/dungeon with crayon on the floor, using the tile's texture underneath to replicate the stone pattern. If that's one of my earliest memories, then Zelda had to have already been a part of my life experience.
i played tunic recently and LOVED it and i'm so glad you talked about it.
I’m designing an indie game that rewards exploration. For example, I don’t tell the player the controls-I let them figure it out for themselves and get used to them. Also, backtracking will be kept fresh, with races to reward memorization of area layout and new rooms and paths unlocked by returning to familiar locations with new abilities.
I agree with the way it was gracefully explained growing up with this game. I was about 6 years old when this game came out, and yes I do remember sharing tricks and secrets with a couple friends also playing this, before Nintendo Power was a thing yet. Yes, trying to play the game now can be a bit annoying to deal with, but at the time I absolutely loved the adventure that this game provided to me growing up, along with many others (like Metroid) at the time.
You know, I loved playing Zelda. I played it on GameCube back in 2013, i never had the manual, all i had was my father. He gave me two hints.
You can burn bushes to find secrets. And to do everything you can.
I remember starting up hearing it's praise from all my uncles, and instead of entering the cave, i went to the right. I wandered, and wandered, I found a few things here and there but eventually got stumped. Unable to kill anything I went north, and wandered. I found a few dungeons, some secrets, the finally went back and started going left where I could. I tried to do what I could, but eventually found the lantern and said I'd fight the boss later as i didn't want to slowly farm bombs with the single use of the lantern I had. I got stuck, and BANG. The game began, the sword.
I went back, fought the boss, and my dad walked in as I was burning bushes, he showed me that one row. I burned every single bush from then on out. Told me about bomb walls and left (pointed out the one in death mountain).
I solved the lost woods, by brute force, and found the white sword, unable to wield it I pushed on, doing everything.
Eventually, I got stuck. I asked my dad, and nothing. So I folded and looked it up, that damn raft. And with only that pressed forward, completing it and pushing on to Zelda 2. The only mainline zelda game I haven't completed, it was far far far far too brutal because of it's clunky and complex sword and shield mechanic.
The only Zelda game i completed before? Twilight Princess for the Wii. My favorite.
I wanted to play tunic so bad when i first saw it's trailer, but due to money constraints I never played. I watched someone play, and to my dismay they complained of it being too obscure and confusing and ended up looking up the mountain door, inputting the cross and leaving it there. I heard of the secrets later. And by the time I saw a decent playthrough, (DocFirebird, which was like yesterday), I lost the desire to play, knowing what I do.
What makes me wish I could forget it and play it authentically, I never knew it would be what it was and by then I already knew the secrets. I would have had to learn to translate the languages, but I think with just that i could've played it.
(Also, the ruin seeker is a girl, as is the heir)
The final tunic puzzle was insane to me when I realized it. Possibly one of the best puzzles in any game I've ever played
TUNIC has shown and told me so many things: the beauty of video games as an art form, my history with the medium, and how that relationship has evolved over time as I've gotten older, TUNIC has been showing me the indescribably beautiful joyful essence of play and self-expression and just how and why video games appeal to that natural instinct of play that we forget over time as we get older when we convince ourselves to be more grownup and adult, TUNIC has reminded me that video games aren't just solely about the mechanics but the emotions that the medium as a whole can speak to through the natural instinct of play, TUNIC has spoken to me so much and so deeply that I can't possibly list everything here: but I agree Liam, TUNIC is indeed a beautiful art piece that understands something so universal to being human: play.😄💖😊
I finally beat tunic and was able to come back to this video--I knew tunic was something special when I heard "you have to go in blind" by my friends. I saved all the videos about it, and am glad I did.
The tunic community is something that I adore, especially the subreddit dedicated to it. You can ask for hints, and get just enough of one to be able to figure it out without 100% getting the answer (unless explicitly asked for)
I actually just finished Zelda 1 a week or so ago. I knew little tidbits about the game and its secrets from the years of reading web comics, seeing reviews and some randomizer lets plays, and playing a tiny bit of it, but I decided last year I wanted to start playing through the Zelda franchise on stream. With the help of a friend giving me tips, I was able to finish the game in 5 90 minute or so streams, all without using a guide (except to find the last 2 heart containers I was missing). It was difficult but I felt very satisfied playing the game, learning where dungeons were by either remembering a silly webcomic poking fun at things in the game, or from just screwing around, feeling like something is there just from the way the map was designed. The tips from my friend in chat helped too but I was never guided in the right direction, just told a few things to help me out (like always keeping potion on hand and some ideas of where I can find some secrets). I had a blast with it to be honest. The game is archaic but if you stick with it and let your curiosity get the better of you, you can be very rewarded.
That was beautiful from start to finish.
Mad props to you Biliam!
I remember the night my dad brought home the NES Zelda. He pulled this gold box out of a brown paper bag and it was unlike anything I'd seen yet. When the cartridge was taken from it's box I felt like Indiana Jones when he found the Ark of the Covenant. There was something sacred about this game unlike the rest. Every time I finished playing it I put it right back into it's box and to this day I still have all the original material, box, manual, papers, bag, sleeve and game. My NES Zelda is as shiny golden as the day my dad brought it home. It took me a year to beat that game as an 8 yr old child and I still remember many of my adventures in it. The Zelda series became one of my favorite game series of all time and I even shared future Zelda experiences with my wife as we played together.
Phenomenal video my dude. I'm so glad you played tunic. You waxed like a friend excited to share the game like I have been.
Youre a rock star.
you did it again you bastard. Thanks for taking the time to explain tunic mysteries even if that goes into spoiler territory. I personnally gave up the game because it was too difficult at a certain point but was fascinated by the exploring and decyphering part of the game, so i'm just glad to understand what the big ending mystery is all about without having to grind it.
Yesss I'm so glad you're revisiting the first one. I've been playing through the whole series and watching your video on each after I finish. I found your original video really oddly negative to what is still my favourite of the ones I've played so far (up to majoras mask) I'm excited to see it revisited.
Fantastic video. I've been having a similar experience playing the NES Dragon Quest games for the first time this past week. Getting access to the boat in Dragon Quest 2 and having the world just open up with a "good luck!" is a feeling you rarely get anymore. I really hope Tunic is the catalyst for a resurgence of games that understand the value in this kind of personal accomplishment and the shared experience they can facilitate.
I have a very clear memory of sitting in my 4th grade classroom and trying to draw a map from memory (I’m old). But I still play this from time to time to this day.
I'm a huge fan of the Zelda franchise, but I was genuinely surprised at just how much I loved tunic. I was able to figure about 95% of the game all on my own and I'm terrible with puzzle solving. I did occasionally refer to the internet when I got well and truly stuck, but only to figure out the solution to an immediate problem, not an entire walkthrough. I've never had to draw on paper before, but I found it a really enjoyable experience. I think we need more games like this, that let go of our hands and let us stumble and struggle. While those struggles can be infuriating sometimes, it makes your accomplishments so much sweeter. I think that should extend to games of all genres, not just adventure games. Imagine an arcade racing game or a shooter game that doesn't have tutorials and you simply have to figure out the controls and what to do and where to go without help. It probably wouldn't have the same feeling as a game like Zelda or Tunic, but it would still have some impact and remind us of a time in video games that have been lost to us, until games like Tunic. On a side note, developers should also prioritize split-scree
multiplayer in games. I miss the days of games being a genuinely social activity, when you had to go to someone's house and play together. It made video games so much better. Awesome video Liam!
I actually got into Tunic few days ago after a great friend of mine told me about Tunic since I wanted a game that is like Zelda on the ps4 because I want to livestream games that is like Zelda the only ones I can think of is Oceanhorn, Kena Bridge of spirits,Okami, and Tunic is like a Zelda game even though I grew up with 3d Zelda games more I still enjoy the game so far even though I need help from my friend on some parts while I livestream
I been watching your videos and love them alot and I never knew on trying out some things like I remember growing up I always rely on guides to help me because I didn't know what to do so when it comes to wind waker I ignore all the islands during storm and go straight back to link island back when I was kid but after I watch your video now as adult it encourage me to try what you did which I will soon because I unfortunately never got that charm thank you very much for making all these great Zelda videos and Zelda is my favorite franchise and looking forward for more videos
Great job on this one…it was wonderful. Playing Zelda when it first came out was definitely a mysterious and fun time. It would take months to figure everything out and getting info from your friends about what they had done and seen and exchanging notes.
I'm one of those relics that played this back in the day. Me and my brother, we burnt every bush, bombed every wall, touched every armos we encountered. Finished it wit the white sword and the blue ring, because after months we still hadn't found the magical sword and red ring. Replayed it several times, getting better every playthrough, to the point we became the Legend of Zelda walkthrough for our friends. Great times.
I have to share the most amazing feeling I got from your video!
I was listening to your videos on the long drive to work, and finally got to this one. Only ready the first few lines of the title, as I was running late.
Halfway through the zelda portion, all I could think about was you need to play Tunic. If you enjoyed those aspects of Zelda, Tunic would be an amazing play.
And then you started talking about Tunic!!! It brought a huge smile on my face and really brightened up the monday morning drive! Thank you :)
Awesome video, thanks for the update.
haha, perfect timing! i was just considering returning to those far shores after my first playthrough.
glad you enjoyed it as well, and i wish you a bright future ahead! :D
I think how much the manual had to with informing the player is too often overlooked with this game. And I'm so glad someone went in-depth to show just how important it was.
I also resorted to hand drawing maps for the dungeons while my 4 year old son looked on, and his intrigue and excitement are part of the experience I'll never forget!
In regards to Tunic's true ending, it's the breaking of a time loop. The younger version of the Fox successfully completes the manual, and shows it to the previous Hero iteration that became the Heir, allowing them to come to terms with the fact that they're literally in a game, regain their body, and they move on with their younger self to hang out and explore the world together.
That being said I'll never get tired of seeing people realise that the Holy Cross is actually the DPad
The game that Tunic reminds me of is Fez. Both of these games have a very deep layer of secrets beneath them.
I realy enjoyed tunic and think it did a amazing job on the secrets and in the nostalgia with the manual. Zelda for me was about the manual and the magazines we used to wait months for coming. I remeber defeating the first part of ocarina of time with the magazine just to miss the second part and to try to solve it on my own. It was one GREAT experience and tunic remake this even for a person that was especialized in zelda games as me (I have played almost all of them outside the game boys ones). In zelda there is this felling of "have seen it" for old players of lighing the torches. The first time you see this trick in a game, lighting a torch is AMAZING. But in the new games is important to have this experience as well, but you alredy have it, so is not that great. Tunic goes way out of what is expected. The combat is diferent and fun and the mistery is there, and there is a lot of it. The chests in all corners and the manual pages makes you think all the time "this game have many secrets" and the end is that yes, it have
i've never played the 1st zelda game but this was so fascinating as all your videos are !! rlly great work , Liam !! take care , dude
You write such beautiful scripts. Thank you for your thoughtful content.
Great video!
I want to make a comment about using guides. During the 90s, that was really when they started tutorialising various gaming aspects and guiding you - scaffolding you - towards where you were meant to go. Namely to lower the costs of making manuals themselves.
However, they were sneaky in that most of the tutorials were entirely optional. I remember so many friends ploughing through Banjo Kazooir and Super Mario 64 and they wouldnt have a clue of what yo do do because they wouldn't slow down and take the time to read signs, talk to NPCs or simply pay attention.
It was hilarious. Most of the advice my friends and I gave each other as kids were from these basic tidbits of information. It took me 3 years to 100% Mario 64.
However, I found the more I paid attention, the more I completed, the greater I became at games as a player and as a learner.
A few years ago, I undertook a Masters in Education and found most teachers had actually become do accustomed to inattention, theyd become lazier and even worse at their jobs.
I am so glad I waited a month to finish the last bit of this video - after I’d completed Tunic.
Thank you for another incredible video
I haven't watched this yet but I can tell you right now, you do amazing work! All your videos are so well crafted. Only channel I want to click the bell on! Keep it up
Thank you SO much for making this video! A couple months ago I saw Tunic on game pass and I told my best friend we should play it because I watched this video and was interested in this type of game design, and we had no idea what we were in for. I believe that Tunic was one of the most unique and clever gaming experiences we’ve ever seen. We are obsessed! We did everything without looking it up, we solved the language, found all the fairies and currently were still finding that last golden treasure. It was such an amazing time, especially solving it all with my best friend. So thank you for bringing this masterpiece of a game into our lives! I always love your videos so I hope to learn about new adventures from you in the future!
Yeah, playing Zelda 1 (and Zelda 2) in the 80s was definitely a lot of trial-and-error and all of us who had the game helping each other out. I did eventually beat Zelda 1 (both quests), but not Zelda 2; got to the end, but I was never able to kill the Thunderbird. Another example, not Zelda, but me and a friend both owned Shadowgate for NES, and one day we were talking about it and realized we were both stuck on a puzzle that the other person had already solved! After a quick info exchange, both of us went home and beat the game that same afternoon.
Link to the Past is still my favorite Zelda game, though admittedly I haven’t played any of the newer ones since I migrated from Nintendo over to Playstation quite a few years ago.
I went out of my way to buy the game and play it to completion for the sake of seeing that feeling of solving a puzzle, and to go into it spoiler free before finishing watching this video. I even went so far as to fully learn the language and translate parts of the manual for hints. It was really difficult in parts...
Absolutely 100% no regrets. Tunic's a masterpiece, and a true modern classic. I'm willing to bet that when Tunic's as old as the original Zelda is today, it will have aged beautifully. A MUST PLAY!!
Thanks for articulating why Zelda 1 is so damn good, and not the archaic obsolete game so many new players think it is.
I first played it in the early 2000s and didn’t get it either.
Then played it not long ago and read the manual and used a few tips online-and it clicked. One of the best 2D games ever made
30:00 I actually got to the ruined atoll in a complete different way. I found the fast travel manual page first and passed from the other side!
Also the language solving of tunic was very special to me. I had grown fond of conlangs since FEZ, but after that game I got into the groove of those just being English with a funky looking alphabet so it kind of became easy to solve them. When Trunic resisted this approach made me fall in love all again, and I just kept adding to my knowledge of the language through the game and it was a awesome parallel experience.
Fucking hell man, this was probably one of your best videos yet. Nice work buddy. Nice work.
The fact that you NEED lots of rupees to buy important stuff in this game is EXACTLY why I love it so much! It gives you a feeling of accomplishment & satisfaction when you finally earn enough to go buy that next weapon you need!
I love the fact that the game requires you to buy certain items like that to complete it, and I love how you can get rupees fast if you know what hidden spots to look for, aka the ones that give 100 rupees! There's a few spots in the game that give 100 rupees so those are great to seek out early.
Honestly, the manual mechanic in Tunic sounds pretty great. Because as cool as it seems to read the manual and use it to solve the original Zelda, the problem is.... you still (at least nowdays) have to kinda leave the game for a short while to go read the manual on a separate tab on your manual. And nothing takes me out of the experience of playing a game more than having to look away form the screen into a pdf file to find hints. (That's why I usually hate when games have super cryptic secrets, because I DON'T WANT to look up a walkthrough)
Tunic, on the other hand solves it by incorportating the manual into the game, the manual doesn't take you out of the game's world, IT LITERALLY IS a part of the game's world and plot. It's honestly pretty genious.
As for that moments of discovery you mentioned and drawing maps and all. While it's not the same thing I remember when in my first successful (As in from start to finish) playthrough of Zelda Phantom Hourglass, there's an uncharted island with a riddle that you can solve to unlock fast travel. You need to hit statues on the correct order, but the actual order and riddle may be a bit cryptic... for some, (It was for me.) it also didn't help that being uncharted, the isle did not have a map on the top screen, however... if you talked to Lineback he mentioned that some adventurers and pirates used to manually draw maps of uncharted isle. And Phantom Hourglass (And it's sequel Spirit Tracks) both have a mechanic in where you can bring the map on the top screen to the bottom and draw notes on it, so I decided to slowly walk around the isle and manually map that place... and it was revealed that the isle had the shape of a whale.... and each statue was placed in specific bodyparts of the whale. That immediately made the riddle clear, and I was able to solve it manually and it felt so great. The best part is that the DS Zelda games ARE FILLED with stuff like this, sure they're not as cryptic as the OG Zelda, and some of them are so easy that it's almost impossible to not firgure it out, but pretty much everywhere there are puzzles that requires you to take notes on the map. It's amazing. (Although Phantom Hourglass also has a puzzle where you literally have to close the DS to enter sleep mode and open it again to solve it, and there's not really a good hint for that... how was I supposed to know that the game was able to do stuff while on sleep mode?)
(Now that I remember it, while I didn't solve it in my playthrough Spirit Tracks also have an uncharted map...... Also, I probably need to play Tunic, I watched the video till the end, so the ending was totally spoiled, but I don't care.)
I loved Tunic! The big puzzle, I had to look up a little help for some of the pieces (I also had written down the instructions a bit wrong) but figured out most of it on my own, and it was great!
As always, love your videos man. Keep it up!
Comme toujours, j'adore tes vidéos, mon pote!
"In each dungeon, there is a secret old person", this detail is not exclusive to Zelda, or even, games. Just the other day I was walking around the dungeon in my neighbourhood, and, well...
Awesome video! So here’s my story. My mom bought the original gold cartridge from a pawn shop. It came with no instructions, no manual, no map, and obviously no internet(late 1980s). Believe it or not I actually beat the game without any resource aides. You are correct though, me and my friends helped each other out. But I do consider beating the original LOZ without any materials a great accomplishment. I’ll never forget the first time I found level 9, death mountain, and beat Ganon!
So, this game was released the year I was born. I started playing it at age 6. I beat the game at age 16, after playing and beating ALtTP and OoT.
It was more fulfilling than I can adequately describe.
Great video Liam, always a joy when I see you've come out with a new one!
I played through the first Zelda this past year while working my way through every game in the series, and I was surprised that it wasn't nearly as esoteric as I expected. My plan was to play through it until I felt like I needed a guide and ultimately I was having so much fun figuring things out and discovering the little secrets that I didn't look anything up until I was six dungeons in, and even then I only looked up a few things (meeting the old man at the grave for example). As a fellow 90's kid I can only imaging what it was like to grow up playing through this game and discovering secrets with my pals, but nothing stops me from adoring it even now.
Tunic is next on my list and you've gotten me excited to play it all over again, need to make sure to squeeze it in before Tears of the Kingdom swoops in and takes over my life. Hope you're having a good day and looking forward to your next video!
omg, i was hoping you would do a video on Tunic!
burnable bushes with the exception of the two by the water, they are always third from the top if it is a complete column or 5th from the bottom if there is an opening in between the two bushes in the center of the column.
I was also born after Zelda 1 (early 90's) but it grabbed my attention the first time I played it. It is in my top 5 for the series (OOT, LA, LTTP, LOZ, MM for the record) and will continue to be I'm sure. The real sense of mystery and accomplishment are extremely rare traits in gaming. It's honestly kind of amazing how evocative such a theoretically archaic game can continue to be. Tunic didn't fully capture that feeling for me. I loved the exploration, didn't love the combat. I'm all for Souls style gameplay but it doesn't inherently grab me like it does for some people. That being said, I was quite impressed by it and it ended up being one of my favorite indie titles.
I had no clue about the power bracelet and that it allows you to unlock shortcuts around hyrule! 😲
I was born in 90, so I didn’t experience it until Ocarina of Time, but I adore the 2-D top downs, my favorite being Link’s Awakening but I also love 1 and Link to the Past. I might prefer the other two, but the original is really special.
I don't know if it's because this is the first zelda I ever played back in 1990 or what, but this game will always be The definitive zelda for me... my mom and I spent like six months to beat it without any help, guides or walk-throughs. It then took us over a year to get to the end of the second quest... where we got hopelessly stumped in dungeon 9... I didn't finish it until over 20 years later.
this intro just reminds me of how cool it was that on the Wii virtual console, every game had a scan of the original manual accessible from one of the menus. I hope the emulation stuff on the switch does the same, but haven't tried it myself to know.
oh damn i never thought id see u talking bout tunic! but it makes a lotta sense
What a wonderful breakdown of two great games. I absolutely adored Tunic, the secret hunting was so clever and definitely the best part of the game. It really is one of those games I consciously had to not look stuff online to preserve the experience the creator wanted to convey. There's nothing like beating a game for the first time.
I apologize if it comes off as shilling but I relatively recently finished a Zelda fangame based on the original Zelda. It's essentially a sequel (unlike zelda 2 which was a completely different genre) to the first game, with the same mechanics but a completely new set of dungeons and overworld, with a couple of surprises as well. I'm very proud of it, and I think it might be something that would interest you? Since there are no guides for this one online, it'd be like going in blind all over again :) I made a trailer that links to it, since I know youtube doesn't like links in comments.
I always assumed the reason u got an instruction book was to give u something to do in the car on the way home. Best ones was when it was dark and u could only read them when someone's lights were just right
A much-needed video. It makes me very sad when people say the original Zelda is impossible to figure out and not worth playing. It's a wonderful experience and much more intuitive than people give it credit for.
Great to have you back. How excited are you for TOTK?
Both of these games mean so much to me, and for similar reasons. Tunic is such a brilliant lightning in a bottle game that only comes from brilliant minds come together to recreate something already brilliant. I adore tunic so and it easily breaks my favorite games of all time list. I'm still waiting on the plushy restock and my order of the in game manual
I love the nods to BOTW just so tantalizing for all of us waiting for your video on that one but this one is great as always. And you got me sold on trying out Tunic.
Once i got a hang of it, OG zelda quickly became my favorite in the series. i was born in 2003 lol.
Thank you for this video
The whole thing about taking notes has me personally remember a completely different franchise of games, the Myst series. I think I still have somewhere the notes I took (on post its!) of some of those games.
My first Zelda was a Link to the Past but I spent most time on the gameboy titles. A very similar experience in an area and age when internet wasnt useful till the 2000s.
Thank you ad !
You know the game's good when people say gameplay spoilers
Potion originally were 20 and 50 it's in the lost bits video
I was born the year this game came out in the USA, I adore the NES and it's library, but I am very sad to have missed out on the playground tip exchange culture and while Nintendo Power was still being published when I was a kid, it had changed in a way that didn't quite have the same spirit ( though it was still a fantastic magazine up until the Gamecube era ), I didn't play many games that weren't Mario on my NES or SNES, so I thought Zelda wasn't for me. Smash Bros made me come around to a lot of different series though, so I eventually ended up playing those games... and my first time playing the original NES Zelda seriously was in my copy of Animal Crossing on the Gamecube.
I had no friends who were also interested in older games to exchange notes with, no players guides, no manual, I didn't have the foresight to draw maps, and my access to the internet was very limited and I didn't use it for video game walkthrough. I ended up playing this game for weeks, and the death toll on my profile was somewhere in the 400's. And I had a god damn blast playing this game, I go back and fourth between it being my favorite game in the series or not, but it's definitely always going to be in my top 5.
This is a great video. I feel like too many people that come to the original Zelda after playing later games in the series, and their favorite thing about the series is like.. the story or something, so they're already mixing oil and water by playing a game on the NES at all. They've unfairly given this game a bad reputation by playing a game that wasn't made for them in the first place.
Although I think we should not be required to look back to previous generations of video games such as the 80s - or even the 70s - there's some very intriguing stuff to be learned, and I'm glad that you were able to go so far as to enjoy the first Zelda mostly as it was intended.
I think that modern Zelda games before Breath of the Wild refined the Zelda formula more and more, but repetition had started to make some things a little too routine. We knew the rules, basically, and it was time for a shake-up of some sort.
By the way, I know you love the way keys are handled in NES Zelda, but interchangeable keys and the Magic Key itself were so broken that selling keys in shops was an absolute necessity to keep players from getting softlocked. I'm glad dungeon-specific keys were later devised to give the dungeon designers more freedom, without fear of softlocking players who made a tiny misstep while adventuring freely.
I just got the game 3 days ago, CURSE YOU FOR THIS UPLOAD I'll have to double time my efforts to beating this gameee
While there are some spoilers in the video, they're mostly for things you'll learn comparatively early - if you're at the point of reaching an actual ending, you should be okay to watch the video - you don't need to 100% Tunic first (there are one or two additional spoilers in the video for things that you probably won't have discovered by that point, but they're mainly about rewards for puzzles, not about the answers to puzzles, let alone the lengthy solution process you're expected to follow to figure them out).
Or you can wait until you have 100%ed the game and get the full experience that way.
"Endangered Design" sounds like kind of a cool potential video playlist...
I'll never forget going to school back in the day and talking to my friends about Zelda 1 secrets, then anxiously awaiting the end of school so I could rush home and try them myself. Good times! As for the swordplay in this first game, I always akin it to fencing. To become good at it, you have to be patient, striking and moving when the time is right. Pro Tip: to make navigating the overworld easier, don't kill all of the enemies...leave just one alive and every time you pass through an area you won't have to fight a horde of enemies again.
when I found Tunic on sale on the Switch Shop. I remembered this video, and decided to buy it. I may have been spoiled on some of this cause of this vid. but I won't let that stop me from enjoying it. I just wanted to thank you, for putting this game on my radar, and from what little I have played so far. it has been very enjoyable. so thank you again. for making this video. :3
I was born in 1990. My first gaming experiences were on gameboy and nintendo 64. A link to the past on gba was my first 2D zelda and I loved it. Later I purchased zelda 1 for gba, because I wanted to know how it plays. Oh boy, my impression was, damn old games are HARD. I played, explored, got stronger and learned to like it. Congrats for finding dungeon 7, I needed help from the internet. I played trough till the end, beat ganon and enjoyed the experience.
With babble I'd like to learn portuges, because this summer I want to go to brasil with my bestie (who is half brasil) again. And this time, I dont want to be the gringo tourist who cant speak the local language 😅