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This one is REALLY interesting, mysterious and exciting, Andrew! I watched the whole thing, surprised that you found so much rock art and its symmetry with the plateau and the cave was beyond cool and spooky. But just when I thought you were going to end it...I, as usual, started talking to you, as if you could hear me 😄saying, 'Wait! If the one arm of the cross pointed to these, you need to see what else could be found at the other directions it was pointing!" Then, no sooner than I'd said it, you said, you were wondering what they might also be directing you to! YES! Now, we're going to be waiting with bated breath to find out! It just goes to show; brilliant minds think alike!😉😄😄
I actually earned my MA and PhD (ABD) In Native American history. My focus was the Uncompaghre and White River Utes of Northwest Colorado. I actually began by laying the foundation studying the Paleo Indian history of the western slope of the Colorado Rockies. While you were looking at areas at a lower elevation in the Great basin, I was focused more on the higher elevations, but still it was a fascinating story one that utterly captivated my imagination and kept me in raptured for the better part of 7 years. Thank you for taking the time to put this together and making this available to people who are unfamiliar with the pageantry of human occupation in the intermountain West. It's a story that needs to be told and needs to be heard.
I started watching 25seconds after your upload and realized quickly I would get in "trouble" if I watched this one without my wife hahah. Your channel has turned into something we enjoy watching together as we unwind before bed. Sending prayers for your safety and continued success with your channel. Thanks for the adventure and inspiration brother!
*Jesuit treasure hole. The "hands" at the end were used to sharpen tools when they carved out the mine. The fire was to knock rock off the roof or melt gold/copper right out of the roof onto the floor.*
This should be protected for future generations and not found by people who might want to remove and sell the carvings for profit. I value the calm respect in the narrator’s voice. Thank you.
I would still like to believe that since the tabletop mountain is so prominent and seen from across the landscape that it was still important to them in some shape
Great Job.... Have been following you for some time now and being 79 of age, I must say you are doing what life has not aloud me to do. Keep doing what you are doing and be safe.
Yeah, I agree. I felt that many of these images were by the same person...a wonderful unique artist. Gave me an eerie but wonderful feeling. Great video and exploration by DD!!!
@@B.Ies_T.Nduhey Imagine how much work it has taken to gouge miles of tunnels through rock. Check out the monstrously massive temples in India carved entirely into living rock. The grooves are probably for sharpening, that the users whimsically made to look like hand- and hoof-prints. Each person made them just a little deeper, maybe over centuries.
Now I put on my other hat. My father was Ooteh (as we pronounce it), written in English, Ute. My mother was Dine, or as you call it in English, Navajo. The bird pictograph has meaning for the Shoshone, the Dakota/Lakota/Nakota (most people call them collectively the Sioux), and the Southern and Northern Cheyenne. It doesn't figure prominently in Ute culture. It is the thunderbird. The other markings are things which modern science likes to call "sprites". They light up the sky above thunderstorm clouds whenever there is a lightning strike. They visit for a brief moment before each lightning strike. They can even be seen from space in low earth orbit. They are the harbinger spirits announcing the arrival of the thunderbird. To the Dine, they have a lot of significance... much more than the thunderbird. They are some of the Ye'i. When Dine do the seventh dance known as the Yeibiche the Ye'i participates as the five finger clown who is always getting in trouble. Now in case you have not figured it out yet, the five fingered clown represents all of us humans and the spirits of our dead ancestors. Instead of following the teachings of our tribal wise men, we are always doing thing which we shouldn't do, and which we no better than to do. All of the dancers in the Yebiche are supposed to get in line with the leader, and what he does, they are to do also. But the five fingered clown always goes off on his own, never gets in line behind the leader, and is always doing silly things which will get him in trouble. Well, that really isn't here or there, except every American Native culture has some version of that. I understand why depictions of the sprites would be there. I have to say though, that most of the pictographs shown look very post contact. I also see places where bullets have hit the stone. I believe that most of the ones in the last sight were modern, and were more akin to graffiti than anything else. That sort of deep scarring of the rocks is not something you would see in our ceremonies. We believe that everything has a spirit, including rocks, and to damage the rock so badly is not joining of spirits, but rather the destroying of the spirit of the rock. The person who did this will now have to worry for the rest of his/her life that the rock spirits will come to them to get even. The fact that you could see the bluff from the places where there was rock proves nothing, because all you are doing is connecting two points. What you would need to do to prove a relationship would be to survey very carefully to see that these three places all line up along the east west line, and explain why the east-west lines line up with the compass points, and how the Amer-indians who were here at the time decided to make their petrographs line up with a symbol which would become a navigational marker in the 1920's. While it is not a concrete marker, it is identical to the first markers which were used, and if that isn't a coincidence too big to swallow, I don't know that is. To find out if they align, you'd need to make an accurate survey to make sure your assumptions actually align. Then you will need to make a careful survey of the surrounding area to make sure there are not a lot of other pictographs in the area. If there are, it looks even more like happenstance that two align. After that, draw a line in the direction of the arrow and see what it lines up with. If it takes you directly to a big city or another arrow, then you know what you have, and it's not an ancient Native sight. If you will take the time to learn about our cultures, not from academics and such, but from our own elders and wise men, you will eventually learn that these things are not as mysterious as they seem. The so-called medicine wheels do make sense to me, and can be interpreted by what most Western tribes know. These are places where the Sun Dance took place long ago. That which you see as spokes of a wagon wheel are actually lines which connected us to a pole which was in the centre many years ago, which represented a connection between the Earth and the Sun. These days we don't have rocks as the connection. The way we do it in the Ute tribe is that we have a Sun Dance circle around a central pole which remains up as long as it is solid; often for years on end. There are ropes connected to the top. First the women come into the circle, and we decorate the entrance with ribbons and other offerings. We have branches cut from willow bushes. Once the dancing begins it will be our job to fan the dancers to try to keep them cool. It will also be up to us to give the dancers drinks of water so that they do not dehydrate during the long and arduous dance. We file in early in the morning before the sun come up. Once we have come in, and at the first light of day before the sun has even come up, the dancers come in. Then as the first light of the sun penetrates the horizon, the dance leader signals for them to begin the dance. They go repeatedly from the outside of the ring to the centre post, which they touch with the hand which is holding their section of cord. After touching, they back up and go to the edge of the ring. They go back and forth like this in the same part of the circle all day. We can give them a drink or splash them with water to cool them, but they cannot stop dancing. They have to drink on the move without touching the item we have the water in. They cannot eat food during this entire time. Near sunset, the ones who have made it this far (a lot of them pass out, or are just to exhausted to continue) the ones who have got this far call out for the elders, and tell them that they are ready for their spirit to raise and meet the sun. The elders then come out and pierce the flesh of his chest with two short pointed sticks - one for each pectoral muscle, and when he is pierced and is ready, they lift him by the cords he was holding which are now tied to the peircing sticks, and they lift him up to near the top of the pole. Usually this encourages the rest of the dancers, and before you know it the dancers are all on a spirit journey to the sun. They will stay up there until the sun has completely set, at which time they are brought down, the sticks are removed, the wounds cleaned and bandaged, and then there is a big to do in which everyone eats and drinks (water. we are a dry reservation), and thanks the Sun for giving us life. We, the Utes, have one other major dance which takes place in the spring. It is the bear dance. I won't go into it here because it has not relevance to this video. We are all Christians now, and we don't see any problem with our dances in light of Christian teachings. Knowing tribal traditions keeps us linked with our heritage, and it is why we know the meaning of a lot of the rock art, and why we can immediately tell which ones aren't ours. In the last batch of petroglyphs, there are some which are ours and in man cases they have been obscured by modern scratchings which have no relationship to our cultures. But you know, no matter where our ancestors came from, we are all five fingers. We are all clowns who will not follow wisdom. That is why we are destroying both the world, and our lives. The one and only way to heal the world and to make good by others is to give up clowning around, and spend our time working to make our world a better place. You don't need to travel great distances away from home to find peace and a satisfying life. True happiness is right under our noses, in our own communities. It costs so little to help out in your home town, your home country, your home state, and every little bit you do will make someone's life a little better. Help tutor a student who is failing in school. Mow someone else's lawn. Cook a nice hot meal for someone who is having difficulty making ends meat, and leave enough extra so that they can have leftovers for days to come. Help paint a neighbour's house. Be a force for improvement, and never expect anything in exchange. Your pay check is the knowledge that you helped make someone's life a little bit better. You will be amazed at what the payback is, and how impossible it is to measure that payback in any kind of currency. Most of all, never ever lie.
Holy hell.... You could have sold this book on Amazon or some shit, but you decided to write it in a TH-cam comment section instead?! A TL:DR for this would probably need its OWN tl:dr !
Wow, thank you for sharing that. I appreciate you encouraging others to be of service. It really is a great way to heal the soul a little bit at a time. Cheers, my fellow five fingered clown ✌️😄
Is a Navajo like a Chicago hoe? Jk JK. It's an old joke. ♥ My people are Hopi, and Hopi were town dwellers, while Navajo were more nomadic. We got along great. Navajo protected us from outsiders and we provided manufactured goods and crops that required stationary dwellings. ♥
Right there with you! With age and education on what I'm dealing with Ive learned to live with it under control without medication. Using medication to treat depression, bipolar 1 & 2 and anxiety is like a long winding road with unknown difficulty. Medications I was put on made things 10x worse in the long run. Instead of focusing on when I needed to take a pill I focused on why I need to take that pill and it changed my whole life. Now I focus on a healthy active body and haven't taken pills for depression and anxiety in three years. Getting off the meds was difficult, it destroys your brains natural chemical makeup. Pills are a bandaid, nothing more nothing less, nowadays they are used as a solution with no exit strategy.
I was really hoping that by the end of the video you'd show a Google earth image of the locations and trace a line between it till you reach the mountain, to see how straight line would it be...And to see if the mountain mark points to it directly or not... Amazing video either way!
You really need to pick a random direction and see if you find petroglyphs in that direction as well. It's possible that rock art is so common in the area that you're likely to stumble across some no matter what direction you take.
Thanks Andrew! This is my favorite of your adventures. I didn’t want it to end, I wish it was a few hours long!!! They absolutely are all connected. You are also very connected deducing what you did, following your intuition, was incredible. This is like a fascinating mystery novel, and I need more!! Soon please!!!! There absolutely are things where you want to come back and explore. Guaranteed. Happy trails!!! Can’t wait for you to come back!!!!
As an archaeologist, it did seem a little far fetched yes, I'm not sure if it was immediately obvious to yourself, but the earlier "inscriptions" didn't seem to match the amount of wear you'd expect to be able to say that the earlier carvings were at the same time as the White mountains art. I'm not trying to ruin anyone's fun, I love this channel. It just appears those initial carvings were made considerably more recently. Though I must say rock art is not actually my area, so what do I know.
So why speak if only to place doubt. He wasn't wrong, and it's not hard to believe that indigenous peoples placed guide markers to ensure that the hunting grounds were respected. Hunting grounds was sacred land for them. The rites of becoming a man has ties to killing your first animal during a hunt. I am a firm believer coincidences dont come in 2 or more concessions. And it is plain as day that he found and discovered something based on the directions they left behind.
@@Republican_Extremest You're 100% correct, it is believable, especially the concept as a whole. I hesitated a bit before commenting, so your question is valid. The first several petroglyphs seem to have been carved at a much later date. However, like I said, this is actually not my area, so I make no attempt to pass judgement. So whereas my opinion might be a professional opinion, it is still just that, an opinion. You will see if you look at the first several petroglyph examples that the angles between the carvings and the surface of the stone are quite well defined, and the later examples of the White Mountain petroglyphs are sort of rounded over. The carvings look similar, but more weathered. I didn't want to add doubt, because I think Desert Drifter has doubt as well, like what is it I've discovered? I wanted to add clarity, because It's still quite amazing either way!
@@Republican_Extremest "Why speak if only to place doubt" Doubt is the base of knowledge. Belief, is a source of ignorance. (unless if in a religious context, where it is positive in a psychological way.)
Desert Drifter - Andrew thanks once more for a great video. Very informative and interesting. IMO they are all connected. So that makes me ask this question. As the crow flies how far to each site . If you walked it instead of driving….wonder what you would find along the way?
And what, experience the universe ? I agree, we spend way too much time glued to our monitors and TVs. The Japanese have a tradition called Shinrin-yoku also known as forest bathing, is a practice or process of therapeutic relaxation.
I’m so happy to say that I finally figured out where one of your hikes is!! While I acknowledge your desire to protect places, it is super frustrating for an avid desert hiker/map hawk not to know where you are. I appreciate the tiny clues that allow true fans to figure it out with a little work. I did a little work on google earth and the well known petroglyphs you mention are actually NOT in line with the compass on that mesa. The direct line would put you many miles away when you hit that mountain range. My guess is there might be petroglyphs all over that plain in view of the mesa, not just in a certain direction.
@@mickhasthefacts8632 Haha, so if you're not an expert, you have no right to go out make an interesting video and maybe throw out some theories about what you are seeing? Christ people, this is just some dude with a camera... not the fuggin National Geographic super duper accurate truth department.. unsubscribe and never watch another video of his if you insist on being a twat.
@@mickhasthefacts8632unfortunately, maybe, the experts don’t seem to be making videos for TH-cam. A little intrigue that DD creates keeps us watching and adds interest to the video.
I’m not putting down his content at all! I love this channel. I’m just saying that whole plain is likely important, not just one places people have found hundreds of years later.
Hey William, I will humbly say that I believe you, and others in the comments, are taking it too literally. And that is what our western scientific brains are wired to do these days. I view it as a “general” direction these are pointing to, with corresponding sites lining up. After all, these people had to work with the landscape they were given, had no compasses, etc. I don’t think it’s realistic for us to expect to shoot an azimuth, and then follow it out for say 5,10,20+ miles and everything to be exactly in line. I highly doubt that’s what these people were thinking about. We’re all entitled to our own interpretation of the site, that’s what makes it fun and interesting. I’ll just say that I have since found 2 to 3 compelling pieces of evidence that line up with other directions on that compass. Maybe not to the exact degree of you drew it out 30 miles, but pretty darn close. I just need to find the time to make the trip and film it all
From Alaska ancestors have been here for thousands of years. And I really enjoy the desert journeys u do, I get to look into the past and wonder what was their life like. Great job and your wife is funny. Be watching for more of your content.
I am absolutely blown away at the different coloured rocks and the colours of the desert. The green foliage that accents the rock colours, the yellows of the plain itself, the grey rocks, the browns I find breathtaking.
Well looks like you have to go back at least three more times to check all of the arrows I'm glad you found this and went out to find out what it is you were looking for So we learned something good today Great video I liked how your wife jumped in and did her opera Fireman 🔥🔥🔥👍
Why do you have to collect these arrowheads. They are sacred to the site and should be left there. This irritates me beyond words when everybody thinks they can just go to places and pick up people's things and walk off with them. And that is what it is. They belong to people and that's not your people.
I would like to know if any art is found outside of the line in the surrounding landscape to verify your conclusions. I very much enjoy your videos of the beautiful countryside and cultures there in the US
i was planning to post the same comment. looking ONLY in "the line" for petroglyphs could amount to a proverbial self-fulfilling prophesy. the telling evidence would be a *_LACK_* of petroglyphs outside of the line.
Speaking of art in other places, sometimes spectacularly massive, yet often subtle, dolmen-like constructions in the hills above Crestone, at the east end of Ute territory where it meets Cheyenne grounds, are utterly fascinating. They are explored in detail on the (sometimes woo-commented) Colorado Forest Beings channel. As seismically fragile as many are, they are necessarily being maintained today. Any doubt about their human construction is dispelled by peculiar symbolic walls concealed under or behind many of them.
This is the first video I've watched from your channel and man, you singlehandedly awakened my childhood dream of becoming an adventurer who seeks an ancient history of humankind and what they left on our blue planet
Don't forget about magnetic declination. Magnetic north moves over time. What was north when they made that monument probably isn't north today. Sunrise / sunset is never the same due to the "wobble" of the Earth as it rotates. I like the solstice theory... Kudo's to Evelyn for hitting that high note :)
@@am2dan Knowing where DD found the petroglyphs gives an idea of the date they were made (only about 200-ish years ago). It's feasible that native tribes would have access to a compass. "Settlers" brought in horses, guns, hats, other types of clothing, etc. A version of the magnetic compass has been around for a very, very long time. Think BC not AD for the invention of some form of compass. That said, it's more likely that they aligned the "arrow" with the rock art locations or vice versa. The question is, was the rock art there first or did they make the arrow to point to a specific location then put the rock art there. Either is possible but I'd lean more to the rock art marking good hunting grounds (migratory path) or something of importance for survival.
JUst a question about the petroglyphs at a bout 14:00. Looks kinda like a ladder. A ladder out of a kiva, a ladder out of the sipapu, the hole where men climbed up from the old world to this one?
I was wondering if there is something requiring a ladder to enter or exit.. out of or into, maybe to survive an event? Also there was a t least one image that looked somewhat like a tower 18m12 a triangle possibly representing a pyramid at 17m58 .. these forms were also in the landscape looking wobbly and melted.
Do you ever reference the historical GLO maps available at BLM? General Land Office surveys that I as a professional archaeologist use all the time to determine age of such things.
C'mon, man. These petroglyphs sites that you coincidentally "discovered" are already marked, and there are literally signs for them, and a fence around the rock face. You would have known that on your way to (Redacted Mountain Name), as the road to that mountain leads right past the markers and signs for different sites in that area (along with signs for the dunes). There's a reason you have edited your drone footage, starting at 25:32 that oddly isn't centered in the frame. It's because you didn't want to show the fence around that site (only 200 feet from you), or your car which would be parked only 1500 feet away at the parking area. Secrecy to protect sites is one thing. Purposely adding mystery to a well-known site comes across as dishonest for clicks by those who don't know any better. I've done you a solid by not divulging where you are. Now do me a solid and stop adding mystery to places you're already well-aware of the location for. This is similar to when you claimed you had found Butler Wash Ruins on Google Earth a while back, but those were already marked on Google Maps and there's a PAVED road and parking lot for them. You go and see some cool shit. You don't have to add mystery to many of your videos to add to the wow factor, dude. Edited to add: The mountain you got your "directions" from, is likely not the prominent feature for the area by indigenous peoples. It was likely the volcanic plug in the beginning of your video (that I'll also leave nameless) that was the main landmark in the immediate area.
@@dolls-er1bq I've been to EVERY site he's posted videos of, except for a recent one about the buffalo jump (but I have hiked the Wind River area). ALL of the sites he's visited are on All-Trails or prominent sites that give trail maps to specific panels in the 4 Corners region. I hike quite a bit on the public lands in 4 Corners. There's a TON of really cool stuff out there. No need to oversell it. There's also already several videos of most of the places he's done videos of already. I don't wanna knock the dude for making a buck off of quality content, but the deceptive nature of it is a bad look. I mean, just be up front about the fact that you already know the name and content of a site you're gonna about to visit. And another thing I don't understand is; why the need to add a way more difficult route than necessary for many of these sites? It also makes me wonder why he's removed some videos, and they were popular ones. I come here for the content of a place I love, and now I've just become frustrated when I watch people scream with glee when they don't realize they're honestly being kinda duped. Andrew can do better, and I just hope he does.
@@UnwashedMasses Agreed. It is not fair to all those who had made videos on these very places for many years, to those who documented some of these sites and history in books and articles. To make it look like you are the first one to stumble upon an ancient site is just absurdity. To pretend nobody investigated or studied these places before you is rubbish. These places deserve utmost respect and using them with deceptive means for your own good is FAR from respect.
No mystery here. I was about to bust his balls until I read your reply. This area of the high desert is spectacular. I live a few hours southeast of there.
Welcome....... Here's your name tag, sign this waiver please...and do you have any vertigo, or experiences of yelling "good God be careful man!!" ? **blinks**
@deedee814 but you have some great historic areas. I follow a couple treasure hunter/metal detector guys and they find all sorts of cool stuff...plus you have castles!
So much of what the ancient people believed was spiritual. That distant mountain might be something sacred to them. It is in plane sight from their homes. Possibly a site they visited on special occasions. That marker looked like and alignment marker....all very interesting and sadly not well researched. Good job Andrew.
Which can vary greatly. Look at how fast the magnetic poles are accelerating, over the last 1/4 century. It's why compasses have a declination adjustment, to compensate for this variance.
Need to see how it aligns with the north star, because that is what they would have used, they may of had some loadstone compass, don't think so though. I might date it by how far off it is from the north star alignment. As well, say they put fire in that cave so they could see the smoke or the glow on the rocks at night, so as to make the symbol on the mount line up.
YES ! Saw that too. There is a square hole about where and ear would be on the head figure. Right above a big bush. Being square , it seems very interesting !
I saw something different, initially. If you look at the sloping rock, just above the prominent outcropped rock (which is probably the nose, of the Indian you saw?) I saw a lion's head. With a mane, that wraps around, & up & over the dark eye socket. Amazing how different brains function; yet similar.
At 25:00 I see a bear's head with an open mouth facing you. You can clearly see the eyes, ears, top of the head and maybe part of the body. Very interesting video.
and at 24:38, when Andrew pans downward, the art there looks like an elephant. I was like... hey wait a minute! Elephants aren't native to the American Continents...
I meant to comment on the last video I watched (about the highest altitude Bison jump), that I really enjoyed it, and as with all your videos, I learned a lot. I invite you to come to Alberta, Canada, and take me on some journeys (digitally, or in reality)😂… I assume you enjoy doing these alone, as I’m sure you have many people trying to accomplice with ye. I don’t know how you are able to find all these places, it must take a lotta research. Keep up the great work!
17:30 I think some of the "plants" actually resemble the process of making rope. Perhaps this the plant they used and the way to teach their future generations how to turn it to rope. This is gold!
I know it doesn't make the video quite as mysterious, but we cannot draw any conclusions on the correlation of the petroglyphs and symbol. Especially without mapping all the petroglyphs in every direction from the rock symbol. Still love the content in any case.
Those finger marks in the stone are another indication of melted rock for me , something you would do on soft clay. I also spotted at least 2 Nordic runes, Berkana and Algiz. Great Video !
Are you implying the marks were left when the rock was mud? I have also wondered about those, I saw some at a southern Utah sight. The up and down scratches definitely don't look like sharpening marks. Especially since they would nap a new piece if one broke or grew dull. Have you seen other Nordic runes in the southwest?
Exactly!! And there was a mudflood in the past. Not only that, but I wonder if these huge rock piles are remnants of ancient structures. Something happened, rocks don't just crumble for no reason.
Nordic Runes have been found at many Native American sites from the east coast to Oklahoma. A Creek Indian researcher did some post-grad work in Sweden and noticed the same symbols seen carved into large rocks/boulders around the southeastern US. I don't have time to search for it, but a female academic wrote a research paper on the subject that may now be a book. I have read that the same symbols are used on every continent. There was much knowledge spread in ancient times by people of a civilization lost long ago in one of the great Earth cataclysms. Plato wrote about such events.
Hey DD. I've been hooked on your excursions and just saw something in this video that speaks Volumes. That "melted" giant handprint is not unique at all. It appears all over the world in rock walls like this one. And it's FASCINATING! You just found an ancient homestead of those Red Haired Giants who lived there 13,000 years ago. Very well done!!
I thought the same a well! First time seeing handprints of that nature among petroglyphs (usually they are pecked, painted pictograph, or ‘blown’ silhouette etc), and I’ve seen many living here in Utah. How were they rendered? Looks as if they’re actually ‘scooped’ from soft mud!
This site directly overlaps with my prior studies, and I dated the geometric images to be circa 14,000 years old....interesting. I think Desert Drifter just found the oldest images in America.
I must tell you that I have become a bit of an addict watching your adventures. It feels right to explore ancient prominences such as you do and record them prior to any further erosion takes place. I wondered when you found the shallow cave, if it was used to build a long burning fire for purposes of communicating via smoke signal. As we all know that ancient tribes communicated long distances in this way....as such, I would agree with you that if you continue in your "linear" search for more outcroppings of particular height along the same lay lines, you will probably be rewarded with further discoveries. Please keep posting, as I am enjoying your adventures even more than I do that of archeologists.... 🖖🏻🖖🏻👌🏻
Hey! Just a note to let u know that I watched a documentary a few years ago about these “compass” sites and they concluded that they were made in the early 1920’s and served as aviation directional signals for early aviation mail places in the newly formed postal “Air Mail” delivery services. With the first planes having zero instrumental equipment for directional flight, these markers aided the pilots to find their course through through the desert areas out west. 🤷🏻♀️
Maps to tell following tribe members where their migration routes were. No paper. "Maps. Before paper? In the Superstitions stone maps l $2,648 SPOT GOLD PRICES
@@marilynbridges8697 no, not always... but as an experienced wilderness survival guide, we learn to avoid circumstances and behaviors that might lead to calamity. I believe our ancestors would have done the same.
Intriguing geoglyph on the mesa. From above it also looks like a Celtic cross. Almost like X marks the spot that points the way to something. The Nazca geoglyphs in South America are now believed by many to identify location/directions to underground water sources in the desert. That last petroglyph of a horse must mean that the last site was made after horses were reintroduced in the Americas which I would guess at 500 years or less. Good thing that mesa geoglyph was located on top of the mountain where it would be less likely to be destroyed by flash flooding, construction etc. I have seen the hand art left on stone cliffs but not any that appeared to be gouged or pressed into the stone. Ceremonial? Awesome exploration Drifter!
This is one of the coolest videos I’ve watched on TH-cam. Just shows how much cool stuff there is still waiting to be explored on this floating rock we call home.
@desert.drifter I used to work on a wildlife refuge in southern Az that was once used as and also next to a USAF bombing range. During WW2 these ranges were all over the SW US. That compass like structure reminds me a bit of some of the WW2 era aerial survey markers we would occasionally see out in that stretch of desert. The pilots would use them to orient themselves when flying training exercises. Could that area possible have been used by the military at some time early 20th century?
Generally, as you can tell desert drifter usually does not tell WHERE the location is.. To conserve it for others to stumble upon it, and so people do not come along and destroy what little is left. With that said, I live in the southwest and it looks like he is in New Mexico because I have seen that mountain range before and I think they are the Sangre de Cristo Mountains but I could be wrong. It sort of looks like the White Sands area too....just a guess. Up in that area he could be on Reservation Lands.
@seanknapp74 I know the area, it isn't a bombing range, nor associated with anything military. It is an "indigenous" archeological site. And rock art and as well as other sites surround the area. It is difficult to say what it was for.
@@brendahyslop6770 there are a lot of these in New Mexico. There are some not too far west of the Roswell Correctional Facility that are very similar. There are also some west of Tatum and McDonald New Mexico
What's new in this wonderful adventure, you are trying to collect the threads and solve the puzzle, your work is great, but I recommend that you take care of yourself and prove your feet well and do not rush into your steps, I wish you success.
I saw you had uploaded another episode and got really excited. Oh good, wonderful, just fantastic. Little did I know that this would be one of your best episodes yet. They are always interesting and educational, making you think, making you live the period, and making you aware of the importance of keeping these sites intact and preserved. I'm so glad respectable organizations are taking you seriously and using your channel to help get the word out. You are the best advocate they have.
The surprise is that we jump to the conclusion that the rock art lines up simply because you travelled in a line and found rock art along it. Maybe the rest of the desert (where the path does not line up with the symbol), is also full of rock art. Still, I would like to see a line on a map drawn from the symbol to the rock art that you found. One thing very unique and intruiging is the hand print indentions. I've never seen that before. What a wonderful and curious adventure.
@kimberleybrown-j7y there is rock art in multiple directions from the site. As well as additional sites; he ended at the birthing rock (hands in the stone), there are other sites like the cliff hunting area by the Ice Caves. It's a good mystery as to what the compass was intended for, as it "points" to several things in the region.
15:56 I could be wrong but for any PALEONTOLOGIST out there. That tree like structure coming out of the rock. It is lighter in color and seems to be of a different mineral type. Man that looks like it could be DINOSAUR bone! I'm probably hanging a bit over my skis here but....hmmmm.
100% a possibility in Wyoming. Bones were found on top of the ground on an overland trail right out my door. Drove the route frequently. I know if two other similar finds nearby.
@@Djamp1567 If you advance to around 15:54, look at the middle of the rock face. You can see a tree like structure. Its shape and color is off from the rest of the panal. Again I am not a paleontologist but I am a novice. I swear that looks like partially exposed bone structure.
The rock art is cool. But i am sorry the cross formation on top of the montain is a "modern" still historical site. Build by USPS to navigete in the early days of air mail.
There is another one of these in a corresponding tribal area-few know of it-that has this center circle with a stone wall pointing to the northwest. I'd like to tell you about it. I followed it on Google Maps and, miles away, found another lesser one aligned much the same way. I came to an uneducated conclusion that they were travel "maps" for some particular reason, perhaps to a ceremonial site.
Yeah i think they're for navigation as well. I bet there were all kinds of different settlements in different directions and it would be a way to make sure you're heading in the right direction. I mean you can see it very easily from almost anywhere in the area so you could always look back or look towards it to make sure you have a sense of direction
Wow! This was amazing! I would think some of those petroglyphs were giving info about how far away they were from the mountain if they were going to walk it. Would it be a shamanic journey or a normal tribe movement journey? Those hand scrapes were incredible, they looked like they formed in mud not rock! I liked the form of glowing human in front of the smaller human. I loved the animal forms too. Also the figure on the color striped rick was so iconic! Amazing! Do you get feedback about these rock formations from native Americans? Would be very interested in what they have to say about it. Wow some of that rock climbing was terrifying to look at, like any footstep was going to give way! Glad you didn’t break an ankle or hurt yourself. Take care and thank you for the amazing footage!
On Google Earth, I followed the north/slightly east wall of the Medicine Wheel structure, 200 miles away is another very well known Medicine Wheel, and these two Medicine Wheels seem to line up. There is another Medicine Wheel about 80 miles to the south, and this one interestingly does not line up. As far as the petroglyphs, I tried to line them up with the Medicine Wheel arm, and they are about 10 degrees off. If you did follow that arrow/arm, you would end up maybe 4 miles north of the petroglyphs.
@@inyobill I measured on Google Earth from one this medicine wheel to to another 200 miles away, and one of the walls is pointing in the direction of the medicine wheel 200 miles away.
Very mysterious! Did you save these spots with your GPS? It would be interesting to see how they line up on a map with GPS coordinates. Thanks again for these videos.
Did you take photos with the drone while looking back at the mountain? The photos should have the drones GPS location and an approximate azimuth to the mountain.
The rock art reminds me so much of the plasma discharges discussed by the scientists at the thunderbolts project. It seems the ancient peoples witnessed some pretty amazing stellar phenomena.
The symbol means Harmony. Obviously it is also used for many other subjects, "Start Point, New Beginning, N/S, Solstice Points" The area, History, People's, era, all factor into discovering the use(s). "Mainstream Academics" stick to their "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline" (used as their foundation of fact), however, I ascribe to "Authentic Academia", which adheres to the "Standards of Science and Research", (Mind fully Open, free of any predetermined Beliefs, Theories, Opinions, and allowing the Research Methodologies to extract the greater facts.". Freedom of Thought is the original cornerstone of Science, Research, and Academics. The Standards prohibit using a Theory as Fact. Mainstream Academia appears to be far more preoccupied with operating within their "Theory based Paradigm", than Exploring and Discoveries. Discernment rather than Judgemental. It is a choice. [The writings look like Ogham (Irish) or Ruins (Viking) or Edda (Norse) They are more prevalent across this country than one would imagine, (Colorado, East Tennessee, Eastern Indiansla, Massachusetts , Connecticut, and the area around N Midwest/Canada] I don't ignore the remote, when it is obvious and repetative. These are either very Ancient and/or of the resources noted. There were earlier people on this planet, the Archaic Ancient ruins are emerging in the ISA, an arguable location includes the Montana Megaliths. (They confounded ones mind to discern, are they or aren't they, one area clearly could be man made.) Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian (an Authentic Academic Practitioner)
Seems like my replies keep disappearing. Petroglyphs are a message board and . I had posted earlier. How far were the cliff faces from each other if you were walking or horse back . The compass yes directed you to these places. Note the north rock garden represents the mountains where the shoshone national parks is in Wyoming. Bear lake is directly west, medicine bow mountains directly east , directly. south more mountains and important a pass though. By if you look at the southern circle there's a way around those mountains and water in that area Included flaming gorge. The cliffs are like way points with messages maybe a days travel each and they are following others. Maybe even left ladders and caves for shelter. The center carne is of course STM using such a high spot as a center point is pretty ingenious. But you have found places in high spots before. I bet the circle also represents the visibility of STM and people were cutting diagonally across the points. There are similar petroglyphs I found that referenced the laSalle Mountains in Moab as a center point. The 4 points suggest the center and in eack directions sre mountains and water. In-between are petroglyph waypoints of sorts and shelter. You missed a petroglyph that showed devils tower. Go back and look. Last but not least STM and NTM : Southwestern Wyoming's Leucite Hills are a group of Pliocene to Pleistocene volcanic centers that erupted lamproite lavas, .. or mini volcano is what you climbed. I noticed the shape and sound of the rocks you were climbing on. USGS surveyed that mountain Schultz, A.R. & W. Cross. 1912.
@@RiverHaus2001 40 years ago I used to hang out on Sundays exploring very ancient sacred site near Burrup Peninsula in Western Australia. One thing I noticed was a path marked by a recurring symboll I took to be representing a emu track. The entire area is covered in petroglyphs. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murujuga
Great points and information Thank you for sharing... prob put an @DesertWander (exaxt proper spelling so he is more individually alerted instead of just the channel general. I too thought it was a larger map of the area on the hill top I do howevr have issue with some of volcanology and general daring of rocks of this realms narrative ... i highly doubt much of dating timing and creation. Were you a geologist @ USGS when there were rhe mass layoffs... some of my friends were.
Truly amazing and fascinating! I love the ancient history of our land. It is so mysterious. I am very glad you are sharing this and show so much respect for these ancient symbols.
I feel like this is some sort of spiritual journey path - perhaps the journey starts by climbing that mountain, finding the arrow, then following it - hence why the art was all in that direction - maybe along the journey a tribes person would stop and document what they have seen, then the cave at the end is where that journey concludes. Perhaps it was a warriors path, and only the ones who made it to the end became a true warrior? I could speculate for days - but this was very cool. Looking forward to the next videos on this!
I definitely agree with this line of thought…there are also sites which are ancient ‘shrines’ that certain tribes would make pilgrimages to coinciding w/ astrological times of the year
I feel like I am right there with you when you discover these petreoglyphs and more. My imagination and desire to know who we were before gets even more curious with your videos. Thank you so much! You are a gift!
As soon as you went a little deeper into that wee cave the first thought that popped into my head was "cremation site". This is of course based on nothing whatsoever, but the site obviously had significance for some reason. I don't know if the natives there even practiced cremation. I'm also now wondering if you'd find anything else if you followed the other directions? Maybe that marker is the centre of a larger ritual landscape?
@3:40 They're Pronghorn, not Antelope. Pronghorn are native to America. We don't have an Antelope species here. ---B&C world record holder for Pronghorn
If you didn't I believe you should search around the mountain. I believe there is something on that mountain all be it a burial ground or hidden treasure
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You are my most favorite TH-cam creator. I love how you’ve transitioned your hobby into a way to get paid. I’ll gladly watch your funny and witty promotions to watch such quality exploring. There is no one I have found that does it nearly as well as you! Thank you Andrew for sharing! I’m always glued to my seat when you post any new video. Thanks again!
BTW, there is a way to measure the statistical significance of the question you posed in the video. If you're truly interested you should contact a professor of statistics.
Thank you all for watching! This was a particularly fun outing. If you'd like to try Opera for FREE, here's the download link opr.as/Opera-browser-desertdrifter
Yay! I love your gut!😄👍
I would try it, but I suck at singing.
@@Desert.Drifter that's Irish ogham bro
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This one is REALLY interesting, mysterious and exciting, Andrew! I watched the whole thing, surprised that you found so much rock art and its symmetry with the plateau and the cave was beyond cool and spooky. But just when I thought you were going to end it...I, as usual, started talking to you, as if you could hear me 😄saying, 'Wait! If the one arm of the cross pointed to these, you need to see what else could be found at the other directions it was pointing!" Then, no sooner than I'd said it, you said, you were wondering what they might also be directing you to! YES! Now, we're going to be waiting with bated breath to find out! It just goes to show; brilliant minds think alike!😉😄😄
@@S-Jq8ob it's Irish ogham, that symbol on the mountain is the spring & fall equinox & summer and winter solstices alignments.
I actually earned my MA and PhD (ABD) In Native American history. My focus was the Uncompaghre and White River Utes of Northwest Colorado. I actually began by laying the foundation studying the Paleo Indian history of the western slope of the Colorado Rockies. While you were looking at areas at a lower elevation in the Great basin, I was focused more on the higher elevations, but still it was a fascinating story one that utterly captivated my imagination and kept me in raptured for the better part of 7 years. Thank you for taking the time to put this together and making this available to people who are unfamiliar with the pageantry of human occupation in the intermountain West. It's a story that needs to be told and needs to be heard.
Now that is some interesting and valid study. Just wow buddy. Well done.
I started watching 25seconds after your upload and realized quickly I would get in "trouble" if I watched this one without my wife hahah. Your channel has turned into something we enjoy watching together as we unwind before bed. Sending prayers for your safety and continued success with your channel. Thanks for the adventure and inspiration brother!
Oh I know all about getting in trouble with the other half 😉
A remarkable trip. Thank you for taking us along and sharing your thoughts.
wife loves this - something we watch together - so interesting and peaceful
Just reading into this comment can get u in trouble🤣 sorry
Love to both of you, Andrew and Evelyn. You ROCK! ❤
This has got to be one of the most interesting adventures I've seen you go on! All the rock art was so amazingly beautiful. ❤
*Jesuit treasure hole. The "hands" at the end were used to sharpen tools when they carved out the mine. The fire was to knock rock off the roof or melt gold/copper right out of the roof onto the floor.*
i kept laughing each time he found more clues, just too cool
Could have taken a lat/long position at each place then mark on Google earth to see how close the west facing arm was.
Good job on video, very well done
This should be protected for future generations and not found by people who might want to remove and sell the carvings for profit. I value the calm respect in the narrator’s voice. Thank you.
Quiet in the back
I'm on my way to remove and sell them right now.
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The future generation is now, old man. These rocks look good in my garden.
I know desert drifter doesn't ask every video to like and subscribe. But if you haven't I'm asking you to. This channel deserves a lot of love.
I'm already subscribed, hit the like every time. I'm looking forward to you further exploring this site.
I totally agree with you 💯
Never hike with shorts. Ticks and many other insects will eat you alive
This is the first time I've come across this channel. I must say this is the interesting and calming thing my wife & I enjoy before bed
@@JusNoBS420he has a lot of back videos and their all great, enjoy
In Nevada you can find many things like that. It helped early pilots navigate the landscape before they had good radio and vectoring equipment.
Ĺike the Sonoran Flight Club
I would still like to believe that since the tabletop mountain is so prominent and seen from across the landscape that it was still important to them in some shape
Oh yeah . . .! Of cause - the old mail pilots could have used these lines . . . BUT not the small hand art ! (...or "other" visitors ;)
@P_E_P_1966 could have come as people found it afterwards. The circle and arrow on the line is an old compass. We have one in our aviation museum.
Yes, they were cement arrows to guide planes.
Evelyn is hilarious love this channel and all the places you take us Thanks andrew
Great Job.... Have been following you for some time now and being 79 of age, I must say you are doing what life has not aloud me to do. Keep doing what you are doing and be safe.
One of my favs. Wow those petroglyphs were crazy!! Very different style than I've ever seen before.
Loren those gouges are amazing. Hand hooves…
Yeah, I agree. I felt that many of these images were by the same person...a wonderful unique artist. Gave me an eerie but wonderful feeling. Great video and exploration by DD!!!
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Can anyone imagine how long it must have taken to make these grooves?
Seriously??
@@B.Ies_T.Nduhey Imagine how much work it has taken to gouge miles of tunnels through rock. Check out the monstrously massive temples in India carved entirely into living rock. The grooves are probably for sharpening, that the users whimsically made to look like hand- and hoof-prints. Each person made them just a little deeper, maybe over centuries.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Now I put on my other hat. My father was Ooteh (as we pronounce it), written in English, Ute. My mother was Dine, or as you call it in English, Navajo. The bird pictograph has meaning for the Shoshone, the Dakota/Lakota/Nakota (most people call them collectively the Sioux), and the Southern and Northern Cheyenne. It doesn't figure prominently in Ute culture. It is the thunderbird. The other markings are things which modern science likes to call "sprites". They light up the sky above thunderstorm clouds whenever there is a lightning strike. They visit for a brief moment before each lightning strike. They can even be seen from space in low earth orbit. They are the harbinger spirits announcing the arrival of the thunderbird. To the Dine, they have a lot of significance... much more than the thunderbird. They are some of the Ye'i. When Dine do the seventh dance known as the Yeibiche the Ye'i participates as the five finger clown who is always getting in trouble. Now in case you have not figured it out yet, the five fingered clown represents all of us humans and the spirits of our dead ancestors. Instead of following the teachings of our tribal wise men, we are always doing thing which we shouldn't do, and which we no better than to do. All of the dancers in the Yebiche are supposed to get in line with the leader, and what he does, they are to do also. But the five fingered clown always goes off on his own, never gets in line behind the leader, and is always doing silly things which will get him in trouble.
Well, that really isn't here or there, except every American Native culture has some version of that. I understand why depictions of the sprites would be there. I have to say though, that most of the pictographs shown look very post contact. I also see places where bullets have hit the stone.
I believe that most of the ones in the last sight were modern, and were more akin to graffiti than anything else. That sort of deep scarring of the rocks is not something you would see in our ceremonies. We believe that everything has a spirit, including rocks, and to damage the rock so badly is not joining of spirits, but rather the destroying of the spirit of the rock. The person who did this will now have to worry for the rest of his/her life that the rock spirits will come to them to get even.
The fact that you could see the bluff from the places where there was rock proves nothing, because all you are doing is connecting two points. What you would need to do to prove a relationship would be to survey very carefully to see that these three places all line up along the east west line, and explain why the east-west lines line up with the compass points, and how the Amer-indians who were here at the time decided to make their petrographs line up with a symbol which would become a navigational marker in the 1920's. While it is not a concrete marker, it is identical to the first markers which were used, and if that isn't a coincidence too big to swallow, I don't know that is. To find out if they align, you'd need to make an accurate survey to make sure your assumptions actually align. Then you will need to make a careful survey of the surrounding area to make sure there are not a lot of other pictographs in the area. If there are, it looks even more like happenstance that two align. After that, draw a line in the direction of the arrow and see what it lines up with. If it takes you directly to a big city or another arrow, then you know what you have, and it's not an ancient Native sight. If you will take the time to learn about our cultures, not from academics and such, but from our own elders and wise men, you will eventually learn that these things are not as mysterious as they seem.
The so-called medicine wheels do make sense to me, and can be interpreted by what most Western tribes know. These are places where the Sun Dance took place long ago. That which you see as spokes of a wagon wheel are actually lines which connected us to a pole which was in the centre many years ago, which represented a connection between the Earth and the Sun. These days we don't have rocks as the connection. The way we do it in the Ute tribe is that we have a Sun Dance circle around a central pole which remains up as long as it is solid; often for years on end. There are ropes connected to the top. First the women come into the circle, and we decorate the entrance with ribbons and other offerings. We have branches cut from willow bushes. Once the dancing begins it will be our job to fan the dancers to try to keep them cool. It will also be up to us to give the dancers drinks of water so that they do not dehydrate during the long and arduous dance. We file in early in the morning before the sun come up. Once we have come in, and at the first light of day before the sun has even come up, the dancers come in. Then as the first light of the sun penetrates the horizon, the dance leader signals for them to begin the dance. They go repeatedly from the outside of the ring to the centre post, which they touch with the hand which is holding their section of cord. After touching, they back up and go to the edge of the ring. They go back and forth like this in the same part of the circle all day. We can give them a drink or splash them with water to cool them, but they cannot stop dancing. They have to drink on the move without touching the item we have the water in. They cannot eat food during this entire time. Near sunset, the ones who have made it this far (a lot of them pass out, or are just to exhausted to continue) the ones who have got this far call out for the elders, and tell them that they are ready for their spirit to raise and meet the sun. The elders then come out and pierce the flesh of his chest with two short pointed sticks - one for each pectoral muscle, and when he is pierced and is ready, they lift him by the cords he was holding which are now tied to the peircing sticks, and they lift him up to near the top of the pole. Usually this encourages the rest of the dancers, and before you know it the dancers are all on a spirit journey to the sun. They will stay up there until the sun has completely set, at which time they are brought down, the sticks are removed, the wounds cleaned and bandaged, and then there is a big to do in which everyone eats and drinks (water. we are a dry reservation), and thanks the Sun for giving us life.
We, the Utes, have one other major dance which takes place in the spring. It is the bear dance. I won't go into it here because it has not relevance to this video. We are all Christians now, and we don't see any problem with our dances in light of Christian teachings. Knowing tribal traditions keeps us linked with our heritage, and it is why we know the meaning of a lot of the rock art, and why we can immediately tell which ones aren't ours. In the last batch of petroglyphs, there are some which are ours and in man cases they have been obscured by modern scratchings which have no relationship to our cultures. But you know, no matter where our ancestors came from, we are all five fingers. We are all clowns who will not follow wisdom. That is why we are destroying both the world, and our lives. The one and only way to heal the world and to make good by others is to give up clowning around, and spend our time working to make our world a better place. You don't need to travel great distances away from home to find peace and a satisfying life. True happiness is right under our noses, in our own communities. It costs so little to help out in your home town, your home country, your home state, and every little bit you do will make someone's life a little better. Help tutor a student who is failing in school. Mow someone else's lawn. Cook a nice hot meal for someone who is having difficulty making ends meat, and leave enough extra so that they can have leftovers for days to come. Help paint a neighbour's house. Be a force for improvement, and never expect anything in exchange. Your pay check is the knowledge that you helped make someone's life a little bit better. You will be amazed at what the payback is, and how impossible it is to measure that payback in any kind of currency. Most of all, never ever lie.
Holy hell....
You could have sold this book on Amazon or some shit, but you decided to write it in a TH-cam comment section instead?!
A TL:DR for this would probably need its OWN tl:dr !
Hawé northern arapaho (hinono’eithetit) Quapaw(ogahfpa) thank you for writing all this out cousin. Niiniini i love to see our cultures being shared
Wow, thank you for sharing that. I appreciate you encouraging others to be of service. It really is a great way to heal the soul a little bit at a time. Cheers, my fellow five fingered clown ✌️😄
Is a Navajo like a Chicago hoe? Jk JK. It's an old joke. ♥
My people are Hopi, and Hopi were town dwellers, while Navajo were more nomadic. We got along great. Navajo protected us from outsiders and we provided manufactured goods and crops that required stationary dwellings. ♥
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I have terrible bipolar and I love watching your videos. Your voice is very calm and soothing and doesn’t give me anxiety. Thank you!!
Yes, his voice is calming to me as well.
Agreed, these videos help me regulate my nervous system
Absolutely fascinating.
Right there with you! With age and education on what I'm dealing with Ive learned to live with it under control without medication. Using medication to treat depression, bipolar 1 & 2 and anxiety is like a long winding road with unknown difficulty. Medications I was put on made things 10x worse in the long run.
Instead of focusing on when I needed to take a pill I focused on why I need to take that pill and it changed my whole life. Now I focus on a healthy active body and haven't taken pills for depression and anxiety in three years. Getting off the meds was difficult, it destroys your brains natural chemical makeup. Pills are a bandaid, nothing more nothing less, nowadays they are used as a solution with no exit strategy.
Yes, I agree. Feel very lucky to have found this channel. He respects and moves on the earth in a beautiful way.
I was really hoping that by the end of the video you'd show a Google earth image of the locations and trace a line between it till you reach the mountain, to see how straight line would it be...And to see if the mountain mark points to it directly or not... Amazing video either way!
No... people would ruin things
You really need to pick a random direction and see if you find petroglyphs in that direction as well. It's possible that rock art is so common in the area that you're likely to stumble across some no matter what direction you take.
this yes would proof something, coincidences can do weird things just by chance.
not mistaken
@@MastercheeseTheaterReduxthank you…I was wondering and am so glad you had knowledge about the place. Incredible.
Did you check the other directions as well ?
Yes, thank yo!
Definitely one of your best. Thanks for all your hard work. Incredible.
Thanks Andrew! This is my favorite of your adventures. I didn’t want it to end, I wish it was a few hours long!!! They absolutely are all connected. You are also very connected deducing what you did, following your intuition, was incredible. This is like a fascinating mystery novel, and I need more!! Soon please!!!! There absolutely are things where you want to come back and explore. Guaranteed. Happy trails!!! Can’t wait for you to come back!!!!
As an archaeologist, it did seem a little far fetched yes, I'm not sure if it was immediately obvious to yourself, but the earlier "inscriptions" didn't seem to match the amount of wear you'd expect to be able to say that the earlier carvings were at the same time as the White mountains art. I'm not trying to ruin anyone's fun, I love this channel. It just appears those initial carvings were made considerably more recently. Though I must say rock art is not actually my area, so what do I know.
My first though that he was just filing random stuff and making up connection
So why speak if only to place doubt. He wasn't wrong, and it's not hard to believe that indigenous peoples placed guide markers to ensure that the hunting grounds were respected. Hunting grounds was sacred land for them. The rites of becoming a man has ties to killing your first animal during a hunt. I am a firm believer coincidences dont come in 2 or more concessions. And it is plain as day that he found and discovered something based on the directions they left behind.
Wasn't it the Spanish who brought the horses to the America's?
@@Republican_Extremest You're 100% correct, it is believable, especially the concept as a whole. I hesitated a bit before commenting, so your question is valid. The first several petroglyphs seem to have been carved at a much later date. However, like I said, this is actually not my area, so I make no attempt to pass judgement. So whereas my opinion might be a professional opinion, it is still just that, an opinion. You will see if you look at the first several petroglyph examples that the angles between the carvings and the surface of the stone are quite well defined, and the later examples of the White Mountain petroglyphs are sort of rounded over. The carvings look similar, but more weathered. I didn't want to add doubt, because I think Desert Drifter has doubt as well, like what is it I've discovered? I wanted to add clarity, because It's still quite amazing either way!
@@Republican_Extremest "Why speak if only to place doubt" Doubt is the base of knowledge.
Belief, is a source of ignorance. (unless if in a religious context, where it is positive in a psychological way.)
Desert Drifter - Andrew thanks once more for a great video. Very informative and interesting.
IMO they are all connected. So that makes me ask this question. As the crow flies how far to each site . If you walked it instead of driving….wonder what you would find along the way?
Maybe we should all just go outside outside more often.
Would outside outside be inside? If so, I already go outside outside a lot.
And what, experience the universe ? I agree, we spend way too much time glued to our monitors and TVs. The Japanese have a tradition called Shinrin-yoku also known as forest bathing, is a practice or process of therapeutic relaxation.
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My dog agrees.
@@riparianlife97701 Mine too. 😀
I’m so happy to say that I finally figured out where one of your hikes is!! While I acknowledge your desire to protect places, it is super frustrating for an avid desert hiker/map hawk not to know where you are. I appreciate the tiny clues that allow true fans to figure it out with a little work.
I did a little work on google earth and the well known petroglyphs you mention are actually NOT in line with the compass on that mesa. The direct line would put you many miles away when you hit that mountain range. My guess is there might be petroglyphs all over that plain in view of the mesa, not just in a certain direction.
@@mickhasthefacts8632 Haha, so if you're not an expert, you have no right to go out make an interesting video and maybe throw out some theories about what you are seeing? Christ people, this is just some dude with a camera... not the fuggin National Geographic super duper accurate truth department.. unsubscribe and never watch another video of his if you insist on being a twat.
@@mickhasthefacts8632unfortunately, maybe, the experts don’t seem to be making videos for TH-cam. A little intrigue that DD creates keeps us watching and adds interest to the video.
I’m not putting down his content at all! I love this channel. I’m just saying that whole plain is likely important, not just one places people have found hundreds of years later.
Hey William, I will humbly say that I believe you, and others in the comments, are taking it too literally. And that is what our western scientific brains are wired to do these days. I view it as a “general” direction these are pointing to, with corresponding sites lining up. After all, these people had to work with the landscape they were given, had no compasses, etc. I don’t think it’s realistic for us to expect to shoot an azimuth, and then follow it out for say 5,10,20+ miles and everything to be exactly in line. I highly doubt that’s what these people were thinking about. We’re all entitled to our own interpretation of the site, that’s what makes it fun and interesting. I’ll just say that I have since found 2 to 3 compelling pieces of evidence that line up with other directions on that compass. Maybe not to the exact degree of you drew it out 30 miles, but pretty darn close. I just need to find the time to make the trip and film it all
And we’ll be here waiting with bated breath.
From Alaska ancestors have been here for thousands of years. And I really enjoy the desert journeys u do, I get to look into the past and wonder what was their life like. Great job and your wife is funny. Be watching for more of your content.
I am absolutely blown away at the different coloured rocks and the colours of the desert. The green foliage that accents the rock colours, the yellows of the plain itself, the grey rocks, the browns I find breathtaking.
Definitely my favorite one Andrew. Amazing. Maybe the best use of TH-cam I've experienced.
1 minute in and you’ve shown me things that blow my mind a little bit. Had to pause to take it in.
Will watch many times
You can’t leave us hanging like that! Hurry up and post the sequel!! Love your content, keep it coming.
Well looks like you have to go back at least three more times to check all of the arrows I'm glad you found this and went out to find out what it is you were looking for So we learned something good today Great video I liked how your wife jumped in and did her opera
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Why do you have to collect these arrowheads. They are sacred to the site and should be left there. This irritates me beyond words when everybody thinks they can just go to places and pick up people's things and walk off with them. And that is what it is. They belong to people and that's not your people.
I would like to know if any art is found outside of the line in the surrounding landscape to verify your conclusions. I very much enjoy your videos of the beautiful countryside and cultures there in the US
i was planning to post the same comment. looking ONLY in "the line" for petroglyphs could amount to a proverbial self-fulfilling prophesy. the telling evidence would be a *_LACK_* of petroglyphs outside of the line.
Speaking of art in other places, sometimes spectacularly massive, yet often subtle, dolmen-like constructions in the hills above Crestone, at the east end of Ute territory where it meets Cheyenne grounds, are utterly fascinating. They are explored in detail on the (sometimes woo-commented) Colorado Forest Beings channel. As seismically fragile as many are, they are necessarily being maintained today. Any doubt about their human construction is dispelled by peculiar symbolic walls concealed under or behind many of them.
Thanks Matthew, I will be returning to this area, just gotta find the time
Editing, first class. Videography, outstanding. Script and narration, wonderful. And a fascinating story well told.
Thanks mate.
This is the first video I've watched from your channel and man, you singlehandedly awakened my childhood dream of becoming an adventurer who seeks an ancient history of humankind and what they left on our blue planet
Don't forget about magnetic declination. Magnetic north moves over time. What was north when they made that monument probably isn't north today. Sunrise / sunset is never the same due to the "wobble" of the Earth as it rotates. I like the solstice theory...
Kudo's to Evelyn for hitting that high note :)
That's really interesting. Maybe DD can learn more about the lichenology thing and date the medicine wheel...
Without knowing much about it these folks, I doubt that they would have used magnetic north.
@@am2dan Knowing where DD found the petroglyphs gives an idea of the date they were made (only about 200-ish years ago). It's feasible that native tribes would have access to a compass. "Settlers" brought in horses, guns, hats, other types of clothing, etc. A version of the magnetic compass has been around for a very, very long time. Think BC not AD for the invention of some form of compass.
That said, it's more likely that they aligned the "arrow" with the rock art locations or vice versa. The question is, was the rock art there first or did they make the arrow to point to a specific location then put the rock art there. Either is possible but I'd lean more to the rock art marking good hunting grounds (migratory path) or something of importance for survival.
@@MichaelLloyd Horse petroglyphs are anyway relatively recent.
@@Akio-fy7ep yep, as Andrew said, "post-contact"
JUst a question about the petroglyphs at a bout 14:00. Looks kinda like a ladder. A ladder out of a kiva, a ladder out of the sipapu, the hole where men climbed up from the old world to this one?
I was wondering if there is something requiring a ladder to enter or exit.. out of or into, maybe to survive an event? Also there was a t least one image that looked somewhat like a tower 18m12 a triangle possibly representing a pyramid at 17m58 .. these forms were also in the landscape looking wobbly and melted.
Both of you make fascinating points, very interested by the ladders and the triangles
I thought 'ladder!' too.
Ànd wast the ladder on one or two forms laid on its side . As if it wasnt to be used again for now. Resting . Stored . Waiting.
Known as an "Emergence Myth"
Do you ever reference the historical GLO maps available at BLM? General Land Office surveys that I as a professional archaeologist use all the time to determine age of such things.
C'mon, man. These petroglyphs sites that you coincidentally "discovered" are already marked, and there are literally signs for them, and a fence around the rock face. You would have known that on your way to (Redacted Mountain Name), as the road to that mountain leads right past the markers and signs for different sites in that area (along with signs for the dunes). There's a reason you have edited your drone footage, starting at 25:32 that oddly isn't centered in the frame. It's because you didn't want to show the fence around that site (only 200 feet from you), or your car which would be parked only 1500 feet away at the parking area. Secrecy to protect sites is one thing. Purposely adding mystery to a well-known site comes across as dishonest for clicks by those who don't know any better. I've done you a solid by not divulging where you are. Now do me a solid and stop adding mystery to places you're already well-aware of the location for. This is similar to when you claimed you had found Butler Wash Ruins on Google Earth a while back, but those were already marked on Google Maps and there's a PAVED road and parking lot for them. You go and see some cool shit. You don't have to add mystery to many of your videos to add to the wow factor, dude.
Edited to add: The mountain you got your "directions" from, is likely not the prominent feature for the area by indigenous peoples. It was likely the volcanic plug in the beginning of your video (that I'll also leave nameless) that was the main landmark in the immediate area.
No kidding. I counted about 35 total of Desert Drifter videos where mystery was added for well known sites. It is not fair for the viewers.
@@dolls-er1bq I've been to EVERY site he's posted videos of, except for a recent one about the buffalo jump (but I have hiked the Wind River area). ALL of the sites he's visited are on All-Trails or prominent sites that give trail maps to specific panels in the 4 Corners region. I hike quite a bit on the public lands in 4 Corners. There's a TON of really cool stuff out there. No need to oversell it. There's also already several videos of most of the places he's done videos of already. I don't wanna knock the dude for making a buck off of quality content, but the deceptive nature of it is a bad look. I mean, just be up front about the fact that you already know the name and content of a site you're gonna about to visit. And another thing I don't understand is; why the need to add a way more difficult route than necessary for many of these sites? It also makes me wonder why he's removed some videos, and they were popular ones. I come here for the content of a place I love, and now I've just become frustrated when I watch people scream with glee when they don't realize they're honestly being kinda duped. Andrew can do better, and I just hope he does.
@@UnwashedMasses Agreed. It is not fair to all those who had made videos on these very places for many years, to those who documented some of these sites and history in books and articles. To make it look like you are the first one to stumble upon an ancient site is just absurdity. To pretend nobody investigated or studied these places before you is rubbish. These places deserve utmost respect and using them with deceptive means for your own good is FAR from respect.
Thank you for keeping this place secret.. ppl have already vandalized these very sites unfortunately 😢
No mystery here. I was about to bust his balls until I read your reply. This area of the high desert is spectacular. I live a few hours southeast of there.
I drive a Subaru Outback Wilderness. I am so happy to see you utilizing your vehicle! Happy travels!
It’s a great rig
I’ve never been this early to the comment section!!! I absolutely LOVEEEEEE this channel! Have been hooked since I recently started following.
I feel the same. I look forward to seeing your next adventure.
Welcome aboard!
Me too ❤ I am obsessed 🤩 I wish we had these types of landscapes in the UK 🇬🇧
Welcome.......
Here's your name tag, sign this waiver please...and do you have any vertigo, or experiences of yelling "good God be careful man!!" ?
**blinks**
@deedee814 but you have some great historic areas. I follow a couple treasure hunter/metal detector guys and they find all sorts of cool stuff...plus you have castles!
Thanks for a great video!
You have some of the most amazing videos. I’m loving the artifacts you’ve found and respected by leaving them. Respect for that.
The difference between magnetic north and polar north in Arizona is about 12 degrees
So much of what the ancient people believed was spiritual. That distant mountain might be something sacred to them. It is in plane sight from their homes. Possibly a site they visited on special occasions. That marker looked like and alignment marker....all very interesting and sadly not well researched. Good job Andrew.
Magnetic north fluctuates over time as does polar north.
Which can vary greatly. Look at how fast the magnetic poles are accelerating, over the last 1/4 century. It's why compasses have a declination adjustment, to compensate for this variance.
Was this in Arizona? I’m rewatching in hopes he mentions it so I can check out the area on google earth.
Need to see how it aligns with the north star, because that is what they would have used, they may of had some loadstone compass, don't think so though. I might date it by how far off it is from the north star alignment. As well, say they put fire in that cave so they could see the smoke or the glow on the rocks at night, so as to make the symbol on the mount line up.
I know it is likely pareidolia, but the rock at 16:12 sure looks like an Indian head looking to the sky. Does anybody else see this?
Yep. Exactly what I saw.
I see it now that you said something
Thank you! Yes! I thought I was seeing things or trying to…..
YES ! Saw that too. There is a square hole about where and ear would be on the head figure. Right above a big bush. Being square , it seems very interesting !
I saw something different, initially. If you look at the sloping rock, just above the prominent outcropped rock (which is probably the nose, of the Indian you saw?) I saw a lion's head. With a mane, that wraps around, & up & over the dark eye socket.
Amazing how different brains function; yet similar.
At 25:00 I see a bear's head with an open mouth facing you. You can clearly see the eyes, ears, top of the head and maybe part of the body. Very interesting video.
and at 24:38, when Andrew pans downward, the art there looks like an elephant. I was like... hey wait a minute! Elephants aren't native to the American Continents...
@@ElizabethMuellerNovelist "They are mammoths, maybe?"
I meant to comment on the last video I watched (about the highest altitude Bison jump), that I really enjoyed it, and as with all your videos, I learned a lot. I invite you to come to Alberta, Canada, and take me on some journeys (digitally, or in reality)😂… I assume you enjoy doing these alone, as I’m sure you have many people trying to accomplice with ye. I don’t know how you are able to find all these places, it must take a lotta research. Keep up the great work!
I love your videos and Evelyn is not too bad at opera singing!😄
17:30 I think some of the "plants" actually resemble the process of making rope.
Perhaps this the plant they used and the way to teach their future generations how to turn it to rope.
This is gold!
Oh wow! I see it now. Like a tutorial? I've made twine from nettle plants. Those "plant" drawings also gave me super strong deja vu feeling.
Weed. Smoking weed after supper and socializing.
I know it doesn't make the video quite as mysterious, but we cannot draw any conclusions on the correlation of the petroglyphs and symbol.
Especially without mapping all the petroglyphs in every direction from the rock symbol.
Still love the content in any case.
He said he was going to try to figure it out. Probably take some time.
Those finger marks in the stone are another indication of melted rock for me , something you would do on soft clay. I also spotted at least 2 Nordic runes, Berkana and Algiz. Great Video !
Miniminuteman has a whole array of videos about melted rock! You should check them out. ^_^
Are you implying the marks were left when the rock was mud? I have also wondered about those, I saw some at a southern Utah sight. The up and down scratches definitely don't look like sharpening marks. Especially since they would nap a new piece if one broke or grew dull. Have you seen other Nordic runes in the southwest?
Exactly!! And there was a mudflood in the past. Not only that, but I wonder if these huge rock piles are remnants of ancient structures. Something happened, rocks don't just crumble for no reason.
Nordic Runes have been found at many Native American sites from the east coast to Oklahoma. A Creek Indian researcher did some post-grad work in Sweden and noticed the same symbols seen carved into large rocks/boulders around the southeastern US.
I don't have time to search for it, but a female academic wrote a research paper on the subject that may now be a book. I have read that the same symbols are used on every continent. There was much knowledge spread in ancient times by people of a civilization lost long ago in one of the great Earth cataclysms. Plato wrote about such events.
@billinroswellga5432 did you also read this while wearing tinfoil as headgear??
Kind of a Tony Hillerman, Joe Leaphorn adventure.
Great books.
Agreed ❤
Yea, I think this looks like New Mexico, my home.
Hint, hint?
What an adventure!
Hey DD. I've been hooked on your excursions and just saw something in this video that speaks Volumes. That "melted" giant handprint is not unique at all. It appears all over the world in rock walls like this one. And it's FASCINATING! You just found an ancient homestead of those Red Haired Giants who lived there 13,000 years ago. Very well done!!
As soon as I saw that I thought the same.
I was wondering hst. It does look like a iant's hand😍😍
That was my first thought too...🤔
Where else have they been found?
I thought the same a well! First time seeing handprints of that nature among petroglyphs (usually they are pecked, painted pictograph, or ‘blown’ silhouette etc), and I’ve seen many living here in Utah. How were they rendered? Looks as if they’re actually ‘scooped’ from soft mud!
This site directly overlaps with my prior studies, and I dated the geometric images to be circa 14,000 years old....interesting. I think Desert Drifter just found the oldest images in America.
I must tell you that I have become a bit of an addict watching your adventures. It feels right to explore ancient prominences such as you do and record them prior to any further erosion takes place. I wondered when you found the shallow cave, if it was used to build a long burning fire for purposes of communicating via smoke signal. As we all know that ancient tribes communicated long distances in this way....as such, I would agree with you that if you continue in your "linear" search for more outcroppings of particular height along the same lay lines, you will probably be rewarded with further discoveries. Please keep posting, as I am enjoying your adventures even more than I do that of archeologists.... 🖖🏻🖖🏻👌🏻
Hey! Just a note to let u know that I watched a documentary a few years ago about these “compass” sites and they concluded that they were made in the early 1920’s and served as aviation directional signals for early aviation mail places in the newly formed postal “Air Mail” delivery services. With the first planes having zero instrumental equipment for directional flight, these markers aided the pilots to find their course through through the desert areas out west. 🤷🏻♀️
Oh . . . thx :)
Why make them if they are already there? We humans are much the same.
Yes, but that is not what those guidelines he found. the compass sites where much more substantial and make out of concrete.
Maps to tell following tribe members where their migration routes were. No paper. "Maps. Before paper? In the Superstitions stone maps l $2,648 SPOT GOLD PRICES
These are not the modern navigation aides . They appear to tell much more and are not made the same . They are old.
I’m wondering if they didn’t use that narrow cave to smoke and preserve their meat after a hunt- block up the open end a bit and it would be perfect!
Yeah, that was my first thought as well.
Blocked up heat and smoke in caves can cause the stone to dry out, crack, cave in, etc...
@@oz9884 Can, but not always.
@@marilynbridges8697 no, not always... but as an experienced wilderness survival guide, we learn to avoid circumstances and behaviors that might lead to calamity. I believe our ancestors would have done the same.
Was there a chimney of sorts ?
Fascinating, again.
I find myself binge watching your videos.
My grandfather used to say, " thats above my paygrade ".
Thank you for your sacrifice.
Your channel is amazing DD ! Keep up the good work
I do enjoy how this channel has that old-school youtube feel still. Excited to get through this one!
Desert Drifter, you are one of the best at making history interesting to everyone. Cannot wait to watch the story unfold.... 😮
Yes, please!
I'm so glad you´re doing these explorations with archeology in mind and not ghosts, demons and/or aliens.
Intriguing geoglyph on the mesa. From above it also looks like a Celtic cross. Almost like X marks the spot that points the way to something. The Nazca geoglyphs in South America are now believed by many to identify location/directions to underground water sources in the desert. That last petroglyph of a horse must mean that the last site was made after horses were reintroduced in the Americas which I would guess at 500 years or less. Good thing that mesa geoglyph was located on top of the mountain where it would be less likely to be destroyed by flash flooding, construction etc. I have seen the hand art left on stone cliffs but not any that appeared to be gouged or pressed into the stone. Ceremonial? Awesome exploration Drifter!
Thank you for explaining the terminology… I was understanding the meanings better by time I reached the end of your comment. 👍🏽🇨🇦
Thought was horses here in younger dryas and died out and later reintroduced. Not sure on that
Just WOW.
That rock that was blocking your view looks almoost like a face! At 16:13
Exactly what I thought! Like a tilted profile of a man looking up at the sky!
Yes!! I noticed it as well - great profile, although not likely man-made.
Saw that... Amazing!
Yes indeed
This is one of the coolest videos I’ve watched on TH-cam. Just shows how much cool stuff there is still waiting to be explored on this floating rock we call home.
It's not magically floating or spinning. Find the Creator.
Has Subaru given you an endorsement deal yet? They would be silly not to work with you as your content is perfect for their customers.
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I wish they would! But they probably have bigger fish to fry
@@Desert.Drifter 318K? getting bigger all the time😊
You have quickly become my favorite youtube channel.
I thoroughly enjoyed these last few videos of my home state.
I love my Impreza!@@Desert.Drifter
He is Toyota bound!
Hello From Old Hickory, Tennessee. Just Got Back Home From Texas / Oklahoma / New Mexico / Arizona / Arkansas Great Trip .
Looks like airmail pilot arrow from the 1920's era: something like in Walnut Creek, Ca.
Those were poured concrete markers.
@@drkskyessome were but not all
Your videos are the best. As a history major I love to keep on learning and seeing new places. Thanks!
I just wanted to let you guys know that I think you'all are awesome. And truly, thank you!
@desert.drifter I used to work on a wildlife refuge in southern Az that was once used as and also next to a USAF bombing range. During WW2 these ranges were all over the SW US. That compass like structure reminds me a bit of some of the WW2 era aerial survey markers we would occasionally see out in that stretch of desert. The pilots would use them to orient themselves when flying training exercises. Could that area possible have been used by the military at some time early 20th century?
Not constructed that way.
Generally, as you can tell desert drifter usually does not tell WHERE the location is.. To conserve it for others to stumble upon it, and so people do not come along and destroy what little is left. With that said, I live in the southwest and it looks like he is in New Mexico because I have seen that mountain range before and I think they are the Sangre de Cristo Mountains but I could be wrong. It sort of looks like the White Sands area too....just a guess. Up in that area he could be on Reservation Lands.
@seanknapp74 I know the area, it isn't a bombing range, nor associated with anything military. It is an "indigenous" archeological site. And rock art and as well as other sites surround the area. It is difficult to say what it was for.
@@brendahyslop6770 there are a lot of these in New Mexico. There are some not too far west of the Roswell Correctional Facility that are very similar. There are also some west of Tatum and McDonald New Mexico
The handprints and drawings look like they had no tool markings and looked like they were made in mud
What's new in this wonderful adventure, you are trying to collect the threads and solve the puzzle, your work is great, but I recommend that you take care of yourself and prove your feet well and do not rush into your steps, I wish you success.
I saw you had uploaded another episode and got really excited. Oh good, wonderful, just fantastic. Little did I know that this would be one of your best episodes yet. They are always interesting and educational, making you think, making you live the period, and making you aware of the importance of keeping these sites intact and preserved. I'm so glad respectable organizations are taking you seriously and using your channel to help get the word out. You are the best advocate they have.
The surprise is that we jump to the conclusion that the rock art lines up simply because you travelled in a line and found rock art along it. Maybe the rest of the desert (where the path does not line up with the symbol), is also full of rock art. Still, I would like to see a line on a map drawn from the symbol to the rock art that you found. One thing very unique and intruiging is the hand print indentions. I've never seen that before. What a wonderful and curious adventure.
@kimberleybrown-j7y there is rock art in multiple directions from the site. As well as additional sites; he ended at the birthing rock (hands in the stone), there are other sites like the cliff hunting area by the Ice Caves. It's a good mystery as to what the compass was intended for, as it "points" to several things in the region.
15:56 I could be wrong but for any PALEONTOLOGIST out there. That tree like structure coming out of the rock. It is lighter in color and seems to be of a different mineral type. Man that looks like it could be DINOSAUR bone! I'm probably hanging a bit over my skis here but....hmmmm.
Don’t apologize for thinking outside the box. Great question. Hope he revisits
Where exactly if I may ask?
100% a possibility in Wyoming. Bones were found on top of the ground on an overland trail right out my door. Drove the route frequently. I know if two other similar finds nearby.
@@Djamp1567 If you advance to around 15:54, look at the middle of the rock face. You can see a tree like structure. Its shape and color is off from the rest of the panal. Again I am not a paleontologist but I am a novice. I swear that looks like partially exposed bone structure.
I was thinking something similar. Many of the rocks when shown from above looked like fossils.
I hit the like button before I even watch the videos now 😊hello from Liverpool UK. Keep up the good work these videos are really good mate
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It's the best way to do it!
The rock art is cool. But i am sorry the cross formation on top of the montain is a "modern" still historical site. Build by USPS to navigete in the early days of air mail.
Evelyn, you did great ! Andrew, be safe out there . Thanks for taking myself and my wife on these adventures.
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There is another one of these in a corresponding tribal area-few know of it-that has this center circle with a stone wall pointing to the northwest. I'd like to tell you about it. I followed it on Google Maps and, miles away, found another lesser one aligned much the same way. I came to an uneducated conclusion that they were travel "maps" for some particular reason, perhaps to a ceremonial site.
That was my original thought, too!
Medicine Wheels.
THIS is what I was thinking.
Yeah i think they're for navigation as well. I bet there were all kinds of different settlements in different directions and it would be a way to make sure you're heading in the right direction. I mean you can see it very easily from almost anywhere in the area so you could always look back or look towards it to make sure you have a sense of direction
Wow! This was amazing! I would think some of those petroglyphs were giving info about how far away they were from the mountain if they were going to walk it. Would it be a shamanic journey or a normal tribe movement journey? Those hand scrapes were incredible, they looked like they formed in mud not rock! I liked the form of glowing human in front of the smaller human. I loved the animal forms too. Also the figure on the color striped rick was so iconic! Amazing! Do you get feedback about these rock formations from native Americans? Would be very interested in what they have to say about it. Wow some of that rock climbing was terrifying to look at, like any footstep was going to give way! Glad you didn’t break an ankle or hurt yourself. Take care and thank you for the amazing footage!
Do you document and report each of these sites for historical purposes? To universities? Native groups? State historical agencies??
Sending a smoke signal. Needed to be on a elevated place so it could be seen by the next person
Ya know, that’s a pretty good point you have there.
Highly unlikely they would’ve built an artistic instillation featuring a prominent religious symbol in the middle in order to send a smoke signal…
On Google Earth, I followed the north/slightly east wall of the Medicine Wheel structure, 200 miles away is another very well known Medicine Wheel, and these two Medicine Wheels seem to line up.
There is another Medicine Wheel about 80 miles to the south, and this one interestingly does not line up.
As far as the petroglyphs, I tried to line them up with the Medicine Wheel arm, and they are about 10 degrees off. If you did follow that arrow/arm, you would end up maybe 4 miles north of the petroglyphs.
need to be careful: two points always define a line
Wanted to say that, too
@@inyobill
I was wondering how close to the line they actually were, seeing as no pins were dropped. Thanks.
@@inyobill I measured on Google Earth from one this medicine wheel to to another 200 miles away, and one of the walls is pointing in the direction of the medicine wheel 200 miles away.
There's a medicine wheel located in central Texas. Supposedly, the most southern ever found.
Very mysterious! Did you save these spots with your GPS? It would be interesting to see how they line up on a map with GPS coordinates. Thanks again for these videos.
My thoughts exactly. 😊💕
Did you take photos with the drone while looking back at the mountain? The photos should have the drones GPS location and an approximate azimuth to the mountain.
The rock art reminds me so much of the plasma discharges discussed by the scientists at the thunderbolts project.
It seems the ancient peoples witnessed some pretty amazing stellar phenomena.
The symbol means Harmony. Obviously it is also used for many other subjects, "Start Point, New Beginning, N/S, Solstice Points"
The area, History, People's, era, all factor into discovering the use(s).
"Mainstream Academics" stick to their "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline" (used as their foundation of fact), however, I ascribe to "Authentic Academia", which adheres to the "Standards of Science and Research", (Mind fully Open, free of any predetermined Beliefs, Theories, Opinions, and allowing the Research Methodologies to extract the greater facts.". Freedom of Thought is the original cornerstone of Science, Research, and Academics.
The Standards prohibit using a Theory as Fact. Mainstream Academia appears to be far more preoccupied with operating within their "Theory based Paradigm", than Exploring and Discoveries.
Discernment rather than Judgemental.
It is a choice.
[The writings look like Ogham (Irish) or Ruins (Viking) or Edda (Norse)
They are more prevalent across this country than one would imagine, (Colorado, East Tennessee, Eastern Indiansla, Massachusetts , Connecticut, and the area around N Midwest/Canada]
I don't ignore the remote, when it is obvious and repetative. These are either very Ancient and/or of the resources noted.
There were earlier people on this planet, the Archaic Ancient ruins are emerging in the ISA, an arguable location includes the Montana Megaliths. (They confounded ones mind to discern, are they or aren't they, one area clearly could be man made.)
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Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
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WOW Andrew, I got chills down my legs, watching the beginning clips of the show…!!! 🌎 Sooo Exciting Bro!!!🌟 So glad you listened to your intuition…!!!
Chris Matthews?
Seems like my replies keep disappearing. Petroglyphs are a message board and . I had posted earlier. How far were the cliff faces from each other if you were walking or horse back . The compass yes directed you to these places. Note the north rock garden represents the mountains where the shoshone national parks is in Wyoming. Bear lake is directly west, medicine bow mountains directly east , directly. south more mountains and important a pass though. By if you look at the southern circle there's a way around those mountains and water in that area Included flaming gorge. The cliffs are like way points with messages maybe a days travel each and they are following others. Maybe even left ladders and caves for shelter. The center carne is of course STM using such a high spot as a center point is pretty ingenious. But you have found places in high spots before. I bet the circle also represents the visibility of STM and people were cutting diagonally across the points. There are similar petroglyphs I found that referenced the laSalle Mountains in Moab as a center point. The 4 points suggest the center and in eack directions sre mountains and water. In-between are petroglyph waypoints of sorts and shelter. You missed a petroglyph that showed devils tower. Go back and look. Last but not least STM and NTM : Southwestern Wyoming's Leucite Hills are a group of Pliocene to Pleistocene volcanic centers that erupted lamproite lavas, .. or mini volcano is what you climbed. I noticed the shape and sound of the rocks you were climbing on. USGS surveyed that mountain Schultz, A.R. & W. Cross. 1912.
@@RiverHaus2001 40 years ago I used to hang out on Sundays exploring very ancient sacred site near Burrup Peninsula in Western Australia.
One thing I noticed was a path marked by a recurring symboll I took to be representing a emu track.
The entire area is covered in petroglyphs.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murujuga
Great details. Thanks!!!!
From what you are saying, seems like all the petrogliths are an ancient version of the park trail signs we see today.
Great points and information
Thank you for sharing... prob put an @DesertWander (exaxt proper spelling so he is more individually alerted instead of just the channel general.
I too thought it was a larger map of the area on the hill top
I do howevr have issue with some of volcanology and general daring of rocks of this realms narrative ... i highly doubt much of dating timing and creation.
Were you a geologist @ USGS when there were rhe mass layoffs... some of my friends were.
Truly amazing and fascinating! I love the ancient history of our land. It is so mysterious. I am very glad you are sharing this and show so much respect for these ancient symbols.
I feel like this is some sort of spiritual journey path - perhaps the journey starts by climbing that mountain, finding the arrow, then following it - hence why the art was all in that direction - maybe along the journey a tribes person would stop and document what they have seen, then the cave at the end is where that journey concludes. Perhaps it was a warriors path, and only the ones who made it to the end became a true warrior? I could speculate for days - but this was very cool. Looking forward to the next videos on this!
I definitely agree with this line of thought…there are also sites which are ancient ‘shrines’ that certain tribes would make pilgrimages to coinciding w/ astrological times of the year
Maybe that isnt the end ... ?
dont fall into the pitfall of fantasy pls. much much more research is needed to come to that kind of conclusion, if ever.
Im from Bangladesh. Every now and the i watch your videos. I feel like it clear the noise in my brain that i accumulated all day
I feel like I am right there with you when you discover these petreoglyphs and more. My imagination and desire to know who we were before gets even more curious with your videos. Thank you so much! You are a gift!
Dd will never lose views. Too good to not click on.
You found a well used hunting trail and worship center. 90% of the marks you showed are from sharpening stone and wood and bone tools and weapons.
Interesting how many of the symbols you showed us look very similar to Sumerian sand script.
"In antiquity the Americas were known as Agypt ans Is ra el".
Fantastically fascinating video!!! Not only the rock art, but also the distant shots of you rock climbing!
As soon as you went a little deeper into that wee cave the first thought that popped into my head was "cremation site". This is of course based on nothing whatsoever, but the site obviously had significance for some reason. I don't know if the natives there even practiced cremation.
I'm also now wondering if you'd find anything else if you followed the other directions? Maybe that marker is the centre of a larger ritual landscape?
The soul going into the west was a prevalent feature of Egyptian and other ancient religions. That’s an interesting idea you have there.😊
I had the very same thought.
What an amazing place. Great things to see. Thanks for sharing n letting me tag along. You're amazing too.
That cave would be ideal for smoking meats for conservation..
Thanks for the adventure 👍🏻
Great observation
Fascinating exploration. Thanks for sharing this!
I believe you could have gotten a Korok seed out of that formation
Zelda refrence? I wonder where zelda got them from..?
@3:40 They're Pronghorn, not Antelope. Pronghorn are native to America. We don't have an Antelope species here.
---B&C world record holder for Pronghorn
If you didn't I believe you should search around the mountain. I believe there is something on that mountain all be it a burial ground or hidden treasure
You are my most favorite TH-cam creator. I love how you’ve transitioned your hobby into a way to get paid. I’ll gladly watch your funny and witty promotions to watch such quality exploring. There is no one I have found that does it nearly as well as you! Thank you Andrew for sharing! I’m always glued to my seat when you post any new video. Thanks again!
The mountain reminds me of the 'Devil's Tower' in the movie 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'. I'm not saying it is, but it reminds me of that.
BTW, there is a way to measure the statistical significance of the question you posed in the video. If you're truly interested you should contact a professor of statistics.
I think that tower on the movie is the Devils tower in North East Wyoming isn’t it?