Fishing with Li Time Lithium batteries. How long will Lithium trolling motor battery last?
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- In this video we install the Li Time batteries and head out for a full day of fishing for Reds. If you're interested in getting some batteries, Li Time is having a spring sale so go to the link below and use discount code: EAFranco
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Great follow up video! I am super surprised about the capacity to use ratio for those batteries! Amazing!
I purchased a job boat recently and currently have a trolling motor to push it. Using my lead acid I get 3 hours so I am looking to transition to these batteries. Thanks for the update.
Very enjoyable. I just bought the exact battery for my roundabout boat and Minn Kota motor. The old battery was way too heavy for me.
Amazing video, my fish finder uses a LiTime 12v mini battery and it is excellent. I see the forum because it sold too hot and now it is still on the presale, there is a discount.
Great full day at sea in all directions. Awesome video, brah.
Appreciate it!
Thank you for sharing, Franco and nice video! 🐟🪝🎣
Thanks for watching!
Thanks much for the vids.. Very helpful and enjoyed.. Got 2 inbound for the new Terrova.
The whole time I'm watching I'm thinkin "this cat sounds very similar to 'Mitch' from the movie "City Slickers".. 🤠
Awesome video man! I love my Ampere Time battery!
Same here!
Hello happy fishing 🎣 Friday nice to see you fishing the hand made fishing luers you did I always enjoy seeing your fishing lure making videos 👍🎣 un Abrazo amigo
Thanks 👍
Another awesome video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fantastic.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Have a link to the chargers you used?
Sincerely,
Matthew
What battery do you recommend for marine starting / cranking and electrics?
I have a converted sailing cat, 18' into a fishing boat. I use two trolling motors and 202ah of lithium from bigbattery. Very satisfied and I don't have to change out the lead/acid every 3-4 yrs as they weaken over time. Nice vid.. thnx.
Very cool!
Just the video I was looking for. Thank you. I wish you had said how many pounds thrust your trolling is though.
70lb thrust...thanks I should have mentioned it.
Very cool video
Thanks!
Lithium batteries are indeed used in many scenarios. I use LiTime batteries in my farm's off-grid cabins and they are truly great.👍
Great Video, Thanks
Glad you liked it!
Great info, thanks
Glad it was helpful!
I’m confused about battery chargers. I have a Minn Kota that’s fairly new and designed for AGM . I’m told it’s capable of charging lithium. Any thoughts?
Franco for a plexiglass lure can you use regular paints and only one side of the center will.that work
I think so.
I bought two Litime 12v 100ah for my trolling motor and they are great batteries 🔋. Over 7 hours fishing and end up with over 70% of charge.
How are you measuring the SOC?
I have a minkota Terova 45 thrust on a 16ft aluminum how long would a 100ah battery last on the water using spot lock frequently?
@@KushmannBeats
That depends on if you are spot locked in current, wind or a calm pond....
Terrific video! I purchased 2 100ah batteries from their official website.
Fantastic!
One of the best things about LiFePO4 batteries is that they maintain a voltage above 12.5v throughout the vast majority of their very flat discharge curve. This is important for two reasons: it means you don't have to keep turning up the setting on your trolling motor (or settling for less at max power) and it means you don't have to worry about your sensitive and expensive electronics getting less voltage than they require. Lithium batteries are not (yet) a good solution for a cranking battery, or for loads like larger bilge/aerator pumps, but for just about everything else, they're awesome. A good set of batteries will probably last longer than your trolling motor and maybe the whole boat! :)
Absolutely
Franco, Thank you. Great video. I was looking for videos about lithium batteries used with a trolling motor and came across your channel. Like yourself, I've been using agm batteries for my trolling motor and by the end of the day, the power to your trolling motor significantly declines and sometimes to a level that trolling motor is ineffective, especially in high winds. Your video convinces me that I need to upgrade to LIFePo4. With that said, can you identify with a link and discuss your chargers a bit more and options. A four bank charger, I am seeing cost around $500
Buy a noco 4 bank charger they have the lithium setting and are far superior to most chargers on the market at a fraction of the cost of others
Very nice! Note though that you can't really use voltage to figure out the SOC of a LiFePO4 battery (those tables in the manual don't really work). The discharge curve is just too flat. If you aren't tracking Ah discharged, you can track how much energy you put back into the battery when you charge it and subtract from 100Ah to figure it out.
LiFePO4 is a wonderful chemistry for this stuff. It can't discharge as high amps that lead-acid can, but it can hold its voltage for most of the discharge curve... which lead-acid cannot. And the weight and cycle life are unbeatable.
That's all absolutely true.
Thx for sharing... i think after watching ur videos ill give tgese batteries a try
Definitely looking to going lithium for trolling motor, I think the lead acid batteries are lower in quality than they used to be. On another note, have you seen the new Shimano Arma Joint swimbait lure? It's hinge design looks a LOT like the one you made a while back...did they copy yours?
I think they did a bit of borrowing
I'd like to see an update on how the batteries have held up.
The video is only 7 months old so the batteries have most like held up pretty good so far with no noticeable difference. I have these same batteries and they don’t degrade quickly at all. A follow up in 2-4 years would be useful
Great video.Looking at these batteries for purchase.Wanting to know if they are holding up since this video was made
The have been the best addition to the boat in a long time. I just picked up two 100Ah Mini's for the small lake boat. See the video: th-cam.com/video/oaWvQ9DqCdQ/w-d-xo.html
Franco I have question when you have made plexiglass lures have you had them slide on you when you clamped them up and if you have how can you fix it
I used uv epoxy as glue so I did not clamp them.
What kind of voltage device did you check your battery capacity with?
AWESOME VIDEO DUDE 🤙 GREAT INFO... YOU MADE UP MY MIND👍 IM GETTIN THE LITIME!!! WHAT 2 CHARGERS YOU USING THAT YOU PUT IN YOUR BOAT??? Thanks again ✌✌✌
I have a link for the charger in the Amazon store, look under Boating and Fishing gear
Kool beans dude ✌✌✌ thanks again 🤙🤙Moe
One more question.... what plug is that ... that your plugging the extension cord to on your boat??? I like your set up and going to do something very similar 👍👍👍
Great videos! I have been wondering if the change from acid to Li batteries was A) possible B) worth it. You answered all my questions plus others. One more question ..... What are your thoughts of using one 24v 100 AH battery?
I'll like the idea it saves space. The 24V is smaller than 2 12V batteries. But you need a 24V charger
will they work set up in 36volt series as well ?
Nice clip.... Thanks.
Can I give you a fishing tip?
Clamp your barbs down. I've caught thousands of trout and reds on barbless. Rarely lose one.
You're releasing 95% of your fish anyway.
The pros...
Hooks, especially trebble hooks, come out of
1) the fish
2) YOU
3) split braided line
4) the net
5) your clothes
6) rope (lines)
7) carpet which your boat doesn't have but maybe someone else is reading this
8) hats
All of those seem to catch trebble hooks like crazy. I'm always amazed that a trout can pop my lure at high speed several times an NOT get hooked but anything else just grazes it and HOOKED....
But once you hook that fish, it's not getting off.
Try it. You'll LOVE it. The realse is so quick, easy and you don't have to RIP it out of the fish.
Of course..... in a tournament. ... I'll sacrifice a little fish comfort and safety for every bit of help to land a winner.
For me??? Redfish are tourist fish. They're stupid, fat lipped and once you hook them its just a matter of time before they tire out and you net them.
But TROUT?
They are the premier inshore fish. They head shake and have lips that tear .... You catch an 8 pound red? Everyone says, "Nice fish." But if you catch an 8 pound trout .... everyone in the state wants to see that fish and loose their minds if they see it in person.
I think they taste better too. I noticed you only kept one and it was a trout. A nice one too.... looked about 19" my favorite filet size.
Lastly.....
I know this lure has no action and looks like it SUCKS.....
But the best trout lure is Mirrolure Catch-2000 in 1'-3' and 52-M in 4'-7'
Any color... all colors are the same.
Glad I found your channel. Hope I see some more nice fishing.
I agree with almost everything you wrote, even going barbless, but the catch 2000? 😄
That lure???. I don't have any idea how it catches so many fish. It has no action. It barely looks like a real mullet.
They DRILL it.
Reel super slowly. When you think you're reeling slowly enough.... reel SLOWER ! ! Twitch one full crank. Twitch... one full crank.
Even in this clip. 6:09 You had a lure that I hit pause and zoomed in... I think you called it a sardine bait. Looks very much the same.
Catch 2000 looks like it but smaller.
The real difference in sinking twitch baits is their sink rate.
Catch 2000 is very shallow running.
52-M is 4'-7'..... but it the same... twitch one full crank twitch....
I am a big believer that ALL lures work and work WELL.
So what makes or breaks a lure for me??? Is ....how easily does it cast and reel and cost.
I can chunk those Mirrolures.... They are sturdy. I've caught a 100 trout on the same lure several time .... covered in battle scars. Those pull a tear sometimes when I lose them. Hee hee hee.
They're CHEAP by comparison. $10 - ish.
Now days some are north of $30...
I liked all your lures.... but some of them? I can tell some are heavy to retrieve. My arms get tired. Yeah, I know. "Do some push-ups!" If I'm fishing all day....(Which your trolling motor information will come in handy to do in the future... FOR SURE).... I wanna use lures that cast heavy but real light. Best example? Whopper Plooper. Great lure. Casts far. Great action.... My hands and arms hurt after 30 minutes.
Believe me.... All I need to see was about 1/2 of the fishing part of this clip to see.... you don't need any help from me. You have years of experienceand it shows.... But the barbless part. I had to rip a hook out and a 2nd time was a $250 ER trip....To and ER where I WORKED. Embarrassing.... That was 20 years ago. I've never had a barbed lure on my boat again. I've had numerous mishaps..... barbless saved me. I Hobie kayak fish and 12' plastic boat with a 9.9 and all my friends have boats like yours. If you fish 50-70x a year ...Slinging lures and catching fish flopping around... A loose hook will find you.
Anyway....
I'm about to sub after I send this diatribe.
Good luck.
Great video! I’ve been looking at this brand battery for my 24v Minn Kota, but I’ve been thinking of their 24v volt (single) battery. Any insight on how one of those would work compared to the (2) 12v batteries?
I struggled on that decision....but the cost of a 24V waterproof charger made up my mind.
I have question do you think 25 gauge wire is to fine of wire to use in lures I usually use either 16 or 18 gauge
It depends on the size of the lure and the size of the fish it's intended for. Use the material that works well for you. There are a lot of so called lure making rules but if something works for you...go with it.
Did you install a battery balancer in your system Franco? I bought 2 LiTime batteries and their 29.2 v 20AH charger but after charging they are never in balance. I assume that when you plug in your Victron chargers your two batteries are still connected in series. Do you have an onboard monitor?
The chargers work independently and keep them within a couple of tenths of a volt. Yes the batteries stay connected in series. I can monitor the charge when the charger is plugged in using bluetooth
@@EngineeredAngler Ah, now I understand why you had two chargers. Makes total sense and avoids having to worry about a balancer. Presumably the chargers have isolated outputs, and connecting them up that way obviously worked fine.
Need change the charger ? I have minn kota charger , I also have a yandina to load them with the Yamaha motor of the boat, does it support the load of the motor?
You should be fine with both.
Found a new (to me) lure and thought I would pass it along to you. I think that you would be perfect to figure out a way to make it and possible improve it. Spoonplug
Thanks for the tips!
Thank you for the video. Maybe I missed the answer to my question but why did you go with two 12V batteries in series instead of one 24V battery? I’m assuming it’s easier to remove the two 12V batteries vs the one 24V because of the weight, even though they’re very light? Thanks again
I was concerned about the fit of the 24V and the cost of a 24V charger.
Much more flexible this way too
Do you have two 12v chargers? When I talked to them they suggested a 24v charger said that two 12v chargers might mess them up in series. I’m about to order some just wanted to ask first.
I would not use their chargers, they're not really meant for the marine environment, and chargers are not really "their thing". All the Li charger makers recommend either a single two port charger or individual chargers, (12v or 24v) I used two chargers and it works perfect. The batteries have their built in BMS that will shut things down if the chargers do something way out of sorts. The risk is having one charger fail and unbalancing the battery bank. But that won't be the end of the battery. A 24v charger is a good way to go too...but a bit more expensive.
I specify that I have a 70 lb brushless electric motor that runs on 12v, is the 12v 100mh or the 12.8 mini model better?
Both the large version and the mini 100Ahr batteries have the same deliverable energy. I would go with the mini to save space. In fact I'm going to put two of them in my boat when I've repaired everything.
@@EngineeredAngler thanks for the info, good evening
Any update on the batteries? Looks like it has been about a year.
Still like new.
Tell us please where are you getting your power for your battery chargers very important. Is your outboard hooked to an inverter and then your chargers plugged into it? Need to know. Can't the motor just go directly to the batteries? Wow that is a nice fish never seen that before. I want to complain about too much fishing and not enough battery but I just can't I'm loving it too much.
I plug the chargers into the power at home. With a full charge I can go fishing several times before needing to charge up.
@@EngineeredAngler oh I see your not charging them out on the water, I sent for a 60ah only because I'm going to charge it from my motor hoping I can do it straight from the motor without taking an inverter and charger
Do these batteries require a special charger,and if so what is recommended?
Most every new marine battery charger has a setting for lithium. I like the Genius brand of chargers, good quality at a reasonable price.
No link to part 1
Minn kota (I know you have motor guide) says you can’t use lithium batteries over speed 8 or 85% or it will damage their motors…any input?
I've never heard that...and its sounds wrong. But I'm not sure. Either way they better make some changes...lithium will definitely be the standard for trolling motors.
I wish I could share pages or screenshots with you and I agree with you..here is an exact quote from minn kotas website: “Power Output
Lithium Batteries maintain higher voltages for longer. Motors engineered to make the most of flooded lead acid batteries can be damaged by the higher power output. To prevent this damage when using Lithium batteries you should not run your motor at its highest speeds, staying at 85%/Speed 8.5 or lower.”
I fish in a river bass club and many of us run lithiums now. Due to the current, we nearly always run our trolling motors on speeds above 8. Nobody has had any issues. I've been running these same batteries on my Ultrex for over a year now and they have been flawless.
This is some good information you guys are sharing thank you. All of this stuff is over my head. I am trying to buy a set up at the end of the season so I can be ready next spring. There is a large lake in Reservoir out here that's pretty much called as glass most days. Electric motors only I was thinking of getting one of those 4-man rafts and putting a trolling motor on the back. The company said to go with a 35 lb thrust which will produce or use about 350 w an hour. I'm wondering if one of these 100-amp batteries would be enough. I'm only thinking of three or four hours and mostly getting to a spot about a mile or two from the boat ramp and sitting not having it Go the whole 3 hours. I was even considering a solar panel that would be on the roof I would make that would maybe charge the battery while I'm sitting a little bit. Any ideas guys on a decent setup
@Etec86 Exactly 💯 all the top pros and weekend fisherman run lithium battery's now days! I just ordered 2 I hope they are worth the switch 🙏
O man I wish I lived by the ocean but am in oklahoma about as far away as a guy can get 😆
If you love the ocean we have thousands of miles of coats in this beautiful country...find ya a spot😉
The downside to those batteries is that they don't have built in freeze/charge protection (only over temp, volts, amps protection). At least the four that I bought last year. So make sure you don't charge them if they are in freezing temps as this will ruin them. You can use them in freezing temps, just not charge them (which is weird to me). I can't imagine it costing much more for them to include freeze/charge protection in the controller. The good thing is they hold their charge really well, so charge them when temps allow and you'll be fine. Battle Born batteries have built in freeze protection but cost much more, as do many others. Those batteries (LI) can be mounted in any orientation (not recommended upside down) so you could stand them on end or stack them on their sides, if height allows and fit more in. I would also use a rubber pad for less vibration and dampen the pounding, especially since you put them up front, just FYI.
According to the manual they are cold charge protected and won't charge below 32 deg.
@@EngineeredAngler I saw a TH-cam video but I can’t remember who it was that would take the tops off of the batteries and test them and check build quality. I do remember on that battery because I bought four of them 100 amp hour that he said, they did not have freeze temp protection. I would not trust a Chinese translation in a manual. I don’t know how I could test it without taking it apart and test the circuit board because you can use the battery at freezing temperatures so it’s not like you can measure an open circuit if you put it in the freezer and measured across the positive and negative post?
@@ant2400yes! A guy does a you tube video about the cold change protection! But it's a little bit battery than the one he is showing, not to ugly or anything. The battery he's showing is just under 300, but the other 100 ah battery is like 365, and it advertises 12.8 v on the battery itself.
You can't use voltage to accurately gauge charge level on a lithium battery. Pick up a shunt type monitor like the Victron Smart Shunt.
Yes i know...I was using the voltage chart supplied by the manufacturer to get a general idea.
“Built for smugglers” 😂😂😂
I really need to get myself a couple of those Fat Belly lures… wink, wink, hint, hint
I want to know how long 1 12v 100ah will on a 12v system
You need to know what your amp draw is . So if your system draws a steady 10 amps it will run 10 hours on a 100 amp hour battery.
i bought same battery it is really annoying that they made batter case so big a quarter inch shorter and it would fit it normal battery trays the batteries inside are smaller than case with lots of padding around them they could have gone with a group 27 size case.
They have a mini version now. I'll be getting one for my Jon boat.
I haven't read through all the comments. But on the original video you were reading mph, this video you are reading in knots.
As a retired firefighter, these new batteries make me nervous. Some have a bad habit of bursting into flames. For example, NYC has a big problem with these E-bike batteries causing major fires. I hope there is research going on into which batteries are bad, and why.
I'm thinking that because a lot of RV batteries are being used these days, there must be a difference between the ebike ones and the larger bulk batteries. Just as there are with laptop batteries. Yes you hear about one once and awhile but there are so many electronic devices out there with this type of battery that it is pretty rare.
Different chemistry!
Lifepo4 is the battery chemistry he was using in this video. Not the same as as lithium ion which are known to burst into flame. Lifepo4 stands for Lithium Iron Phosphate.
@@awesomewade21 Still makes me nervous, not time tested enough to give me peace of mind. I hear you that this is a different battery, but there's been several more E-bike fires and deaths in NYC alone, since my original post. Call me paranoid I guess.
@@thegoods2240 Well, they actually are time-tested pretty well. LiFePO4 has been the go-to battery chemistry for an enormous array of applications for years... over a decade. It just isn't as well known for mobility because most mobility devices use NMC (or worse NCA) lithium-polymer chemistries.
LiFePO4 has somewhat lower energy density. The voltages are lower and the voltage also settles down into the 3.4V range after charging is complete. The electrolyte breakdown voltage is still way the heck up at 4.6V, and the chemistry liberates oxygen during a runaway at 1/100th the rate that NMC does. It is really very difficult for LiFePO4 to catch fire.
LiFePO4 is not nearly as sensitive to over-voltage or over-charging that NMC or NCA is. The cells can still be damaged if they are over-discharged (the BMS prevents that but leaving a discharged battery on the shelf for months will still destroy it from self-discharge). It's a very robust chemistry.
In terms of the risk, it isn't zero. LiFePO4 can still run away, and its even possible for it to catch fire. But that is very, very rare and even if it happens you don't get explosive fires like you do with NMC or NCA. LiFePO4 run-aways typically just result in a lot of (toxic) white smoke, but no actual fire.
-Matt
You should have went with the 50ah. It is all you need and saved more weight off the nose.
I fish two and three say tournaments, now I don't need to worry about recharge.
@Engineered Angler Lures no you don't, but I'm sure you're like me, and are always going to have your batteries topped off
Do you use the 50AH ?
@@basshunter7631 I do, 2 50ah to a 24v TM. Usbtime brand. The 50ah is equal to a 100ah lead in the run time(or real close)
@@clintfulbright1596if you don't mind me asking for some of this good information. I retired from the fire department after 35 years and I am living about 2 miles from a reservoir and Lake that's about 100 acres. I was thinking about getting one of those for man rafts and then electric motor 35 lb thrust. I like what you're saying about the battery so I was thinking 2:50 amp hours what would be a good 24 volt motor and do you see any reason why that wouldn't get me through three or four hours of fishing on a calm lake? I was also considering putting a solar panel on the top of the little roof I was going to build to maybe put some energy back in while I'm sitting just in case. The vendor I called about the 30 lb thrust electric motor was rated at 350 watts of usage I guess per hour but I don't know if that was a 12-volt or 24-volt
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The voltage check is not accurate!
You have to monitor current draw.
I was using a chart supplied by the manufacturer that relates charge level to battery capacity.
Its close but your right not 100% accurate.
@@EngineeredAnglerYour meter is probably not that accurate 10amp hrs in 10hrs of fishing just doesn't sound right!
@@EngineeredAngler You can figure it out by determining how many amp-hours the charger(s) had to put back into the battery at the end of the day, and subtracting from 100. Those tables basically don't work... the discharge curve is too flat and a LiFePO4 battery will hold its voltage extremely well almost all the way to 90% discharged before going exponential.
As the firefighter said the fact that they can rarely burst into flames would prompt me to keep a flammable metal fire extinguisher on board...might be an unexpected expense but well worth it if they ignite
Your both thinking of the old style lithium ion
Very noisy trolling motor? ...
Not really