guy leaves society to get away from the government, thinks they are attacking him. government keeps going to the middle of nowhere to attack him. government calls him crazy. okay then.
The government did leave him alone until he started stealing other hunters supplies , making death threats , then someone goes missing !? And stealing a mans supplies in the middle of know where that's low !
@@stevedavis9462 Again, it'll never happen, there "WILL" always be someone or some entity that wants to take something from you. I'm sure you know this fact, just saying. If someone wants "at you" you'll NEVER ever left alone. Never fear evil.....j.m.o.
I spend long stretches out chasing gold in remote areas. The longest I ever stayed out was a little over six weeks. I don't know anything about hallucinating entire coversations or people running about, but about the three week mark you do get frequent auditory hallucinations. Or say rather, the sound of equipment banging around in the wind sounds like a car door being closed or a bird call sounds like a human voice calling out at a distance and you find yourself constantly listening for it even though you know there is nothing there. My point is that maybe it was something like this that set old matey off his rocker... Humans need humans, and even if we don't like them, we are happier with them around. :)
Hello Shredmur. I've heard this story from other sources and they're usually from interviews of RCMP and people in nearby cities. When the indigenous people are mentioned it's usually the Tlingit people. But in truth Mike Oros has spent most of his time in northern BC which is mostly Tahltan territory where I am from. My dad has stories of my grandpa befriending him when he was just a young harmless man looking to live in the bush. Sometimes he would be found sleeping in the church when he passed through. Oros has spent a lot of his early years living with people from Telegraph and Iskut where he learned to survive in the north. He spent five years with a couple from telegraph until he got kicked out for uttering death threats after an altercation with their dogs. Another story was someone coming home one morning and finding someone broke into their house, cooked a meal and washed the dishes and left. Everyone knew it was him because that behavior was out of character of everyone else but him.
him and fletcher had fights about him up in chesly using/breaking in his hunting cabins, lots of people knew him from atlin to iskut, he use the telegraph trail as highway
@@vicdelange2634 Yes he did frequently used the trail. And not everyone was afraid of him. Back then, a lot of people were willing to shoot him if they got in a hostile encounter with him once he became a known killer. Also Fletcher Day was a legend himself just like all the old elders those days.
😂 very myopic viewpoint considering what happened here. Lol another dip💩 chiming in with not 1 but 2 fallacies in just 1 sentence and doesn't have the mental capacity to grasp them.
try living with them. it's not like Hollywood. they are neither omnipotent nor omniscient, nor benevolent. and they sure as hell aren't endowed with mystical wisdom let alone metaphysical powers
Helping to create an image of "supernatural powers" has been used effectively before. By individuals as well as governments. A prime example being the Duvalier regime of Haiti, who played on the natives' fear of voodoo to terrorize the populace into submission.
There was real "black magic" in our Tlingit history. Christianity wiped most of it out. My grandfather was the last one I've known to watch a shape-shifting Shaman turn into a crane. That is against nature and God's order. Thank God for the light of His Son! ✝️ ☦️
@@ernstschrandt3676 Actually "bat shit crazy" brings about an image that technical terms couldn't. Whatever the words are that work best are the correct choice,
@XXNerdzillaXX me and my friends have a saying. the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth nowadays appears to be 3-6 months 😂 because whats a conspiracy theory today, governments seem to admit to later.
@@keltongillanders5736 There's nothing new under the sun. When I was a kid, just even mentioning that stuff would get ya completely ejected from social groups. It's come a long way, but not far enough. It's too slow and it's only gonna get worse before it gets worse.
He just wanted to be free. There are those that cannot fathom the concept of freedom. I envy the experiences and the talent this man had to exist in such an adverse environment. Leave it to some government authority to defy the very concept of freedom.
Right? “Oh we can’t catch theses dogs living in the wilderness who are only familiar with one human being… better just kill them” Big government logic for sure.
@@66Bunn We do not know the circumstances of that murder. What is absolutely sure is that law enforcement killed his dogs for no reason just for the hell of it. Does that make anybody empathetic to law enforcement?
Government killed the Weavers dog and Gordon Kahls dog trying to provoke a gun fight. It worked with the Weavers because they shot the 13 year old Sammy weavers dog right infront of him. Then they sprayed him up his back as he ran away. They killed a 13 year old child with a machine gun. Then a sniper took his mother out as she nursed her 5 month old baby
@@Censored4UViaGoogle From The Dirt! Vote For Proper Representation! Run For Office! Working Together as Americans Under The Constitution lawfully with respect to the law and the Constitution is the only way from the ground up to Protect each other and evoke Favorable Change. The System is in Place as WE THE PEOPLE to Take Charge and Elect Representatives that Do Exactly What We Want Them to do! There is no "Them".Unless you sit on your ass and do nothing, whilst your Opponents elect their dude,Dude.
Just goes to show that you're never free. Sometimes you mess with the wrong person. They killed his dogs which would have pissed me off too. All that grief and the charges didn't stick. No one bothered to see that his mental illness was treated.
@@miraxus6264 I’m not trying to be insulting. Just trying to inspire thought. It’s easy to kinda place blame. Someone obviously dropped the ball somewhere. But even before the dogs were gone he’d killed right? How do we check, guys living like this, mental health? I think a lot of this falls on Mikes shoulders. I don’t think that’s victim blaming.
@StLMikie maybe I heard it wrong. But..how do we know he killed that 1 guy? It said he shot him..but they then said the defense could argue that this guy had dissapeared before...so apparently no one witnessed that..and they shot and killed oros..he didn't confess to it...hard to say how his mental health really was..to be fair..he lived in one of the harshest environments and lived alone...
@@miraxus6264 you’re absolutely right. And maybe I’m the one who misunderstood, but I thought that in the end they were able to connect his gun to the murder? Years after his death they did some science to figure it out?
Great story. I completely understand Oros's desire to live to himself away from the things of man. I have done shorter stints in the wilder places of North America myself for the same reasons. That being said, I also know how crucial it is to be courteous and hospitable to other people you meet in that setting. Paranoia will destroy ya.
A Great Story Teller...never missed a beat. A VERY TRAGIC ending on all levels. But HOW AMAZING Mr. Oros thrived in these extreme conditions for 10 yrs....He knew & loved those woods.
I got harassed by a US Federal park rangers. I told him hey I just want to be left alone! so he said I feel threatened!! they demanded I get out of my truck even though I wasn't driving and it wasn't running!!!.... I was parked on a dirt road by the river fishing they gave me a entire sobriety test!agenst my will. I passed it all ! even though I'm wearing leg braces with a spinal cord injury!!!! then they searched my truck!!!! illegally !!!and found an empty smashed flat beer can,under the truck seat, and """"lied """"and said it was half full of an=== Amber frothy liquid=== and gave me a fine for $140 bucks they detain me for over an hour humiliating me in front of people. all because I told him I want to be"""" left alone""""" these guys are super assholes,today!. that ain't the first time they've drew first blood. These corrupt Federal Park Rangers LYDE on the probable cause report! because I had a copy of it sent to me! it's perjury
@@stevenroper3577 it does. My sentence structure indicates that there was something off with me when I wrote it, as I didn’t proofread it. In my case, it was a lack of sufficient sleep due to personal stress.
@@stevenroper3577I don't have anything against people f from Denmark but this person obviously was raised in a subservient state of limitation. probably sobbed and bowed to the queen after forfeiting their own life and existence in trade for a small brain
The only good choice Oros made was dodging that draft. Everything else he did afterwards was entirely uncalled for and a product of his paranoid schizophrenia. Clearly anti-establishment bias if you believe otherwise.
Just read the book, for the second time. Hard to put down. He went mad from living in the bush by himself for too long, especially in the winter, when it’s dark just about all the time.
@markliebrock4268, That is not true, his paranoia is a genetic chemical imbalance in his brain and was only destined to deteriorate without medical treatment, I know because my brother in law became schizophrenic following his use of drugs when he was around 19 years old and could function fairly well until he would quit his medication. Luckily, he has never been violent, just hard to deal with. He is currently doing well in the only assisted living home in our state that will accept schizophrenic patients. That is a sad statement on our healthcare system! I see mentally ill people living on the streets every time that I go out.
Sounds like his paranoia was only furthered by "government officials" confirming every paranoid thought that he had. They essentially proved that he wasn't crazy. They relentlessly harassed this man .
@@clanrobertson7200 Ok but you really have no idea if it's true or not it just sounds like what happened to someone close to you. It's not like solitary confinement to the unbelievable extreme couldn't drive someone to snap. Solid minded or not.
Followed you. Great presentation I had an acquaintance who lived in the arctic of Canada in the 1970s , he lived in a small tent and would spy on oil exploration of competitors of his employers, He would document the depth of the drilling , and other details, I was amazed that he would do that type of work, However he was very well paid and obviously had the knowledge and skills
Buddy, "arraigned" means charges are brought against you formally in court. I think you meant to say "acquitted" which still wouldnt be right, because when youre acquitted, they can't charge you for that crime again. The charges were dropped due to lack of evidence.
Sounds like he got the waco ruby ridge railroad treatment, with no evidence of a crime and not convicted in any court of law. Which means he was innocent until proven guilty, instead he was murdered by clown enforcement
You're not thinking the situation through in a logical format. The RCMP were obligated to apprehend Oros because of breaking and entering and theft of the older couple's cabin... yes no proof at this point, only testimony... the old couple came into a police station and tell the police that they identified Oros just outside their cabin after what they found... they tell the police they feel unsafe... the police are ultimately obligated by a even a hearsay testimony scenario... the police know that if they have to apprehend this guy to end his threat to this old couple, they have to do it right and take full precautions... to minimize their own risk they went out in force to apprehend Oros... and like they expected it didn't go well. The other stories, theories, previous charges, assumptions of possible murder etc about Oros are not necessary for the police action on the morning of what ended being the shootout. If you can explain to me the conversation between the old couple and the RCMP that you would deem appropriate that the RCMP would decline to take immediate/as soon as possible action, I'll really consider maybe my judgment is off.
This whole story feels like a movie to me. Kudos 👏 for your narration. Although half of the time I must admit I thought about moving on bc it's a long story but I am very happy I stayed for the end ☺️. Your a great story teller! You certainly have my Sub. ❤
This is a pretty terrifying story People were drugged and followed during the Vietnam era . There are feral people living in the woods everywhere, including Alaska .The mysterious Lesche was stalking Oros. Law enforcement had no training with the mentally ill . The officer with a chainsaw … Wasn’t funny. I’m sure there’s more to the story than a stolen canoe ….
I worked at Sheslay area in 88, knew Fletcher & a few of his sons. Heard quite a bit about ‘Sheslay Mike’ & the unfortunate loss of the Constable. The Sheslay river & the Sheslay airstrip are notable features of the west Tahltan country
No one is more dangerous than a man who just wants to be LEFT ALONE. This man moved as far away from people as he could move and idiots still pursued him w weapons but zero probabl cause that he had committed a crime. Murdered him. Then hailed the govt murderer as a hero. Makes sense to who? 6 out
@@DenisCamp-b3v I disagree. I don't have a ruler that decides my fate. I wud never submit to that line of thought. Only KING I have is Jesus. I do believe that we all have an appointment with death. And no matter where we go or what we do, we won't miss that appointment. I watched my soldiers travel 15000 miles to make that appointment. I have to believe that or the guilt wud drive me insane. I make this comment, not to start drama but just to relay another view point. Regards, 6 out
I had a lee enfield.303 for a bit . Problem was during that time all I could find was old ww1 ammunition made from that stick propellant cordon or whatever it was called . It wasn’t reliable. It would hang fire at best. It was the worst ammo I ever had . It usually fired but always hang fired. I bet he had the same ammo. This was before the internet so we didn’t have options for ammunition. He’d already been arrested so he probably only had his crappy backup rifle
I believe it's called cordite. Smokeless powder mix formed intro strands and packed vertically inside the brass. Produces a slow burn effect or something like that, I'm too lazy to google it right now.
Cordite was an early 'smokeless' propellant made from nitrocellulose, nitroglycerine, and petroleum jelly, extruded into strands. It was mostly loaded into straight cased cartridges which were then in common use. It was very sensitive to high ambient temperature and pressure within the weapon upon ignition of the stuff, would spike dangerously in tropical climates, leading to a preference for large caliber black powder double barreled rifles by some of the old school veteran Safari guides well into the smokeless era.
@@jturtle5318 if you read yourself what your writing about "pushing people off their traditional lands." being "afraid and scared" after harassment and bodily harm is a normal reaction.
How do they know he was trying to attack the other group first? Sounds like he was doing everything he could to get away as they were hunting him down.
Srsly. The fact that they showed up expecting to kill him says it all. They straight up assassinated and guy for p much no reason (shooting in the direction of a plane that was spying on him and suspicion of another crime).
It's actually more sad that everything oros suspected came true. They hunted down a sick man who actually needed help. Its sickening that you sympathize for the oppressors.
100yr old tech Enfield vs radios and helicopters and kill teams!! I remember when this happened and every version it seemed it could have been dealt with differently
Wires crossed, few screws loose, couple cards short of a full deck, shell shocked, bell rung, not all there.....we have known and described mental illness in maxims for a long time.
Some may choose to believe the indian curse saved Rodgers. It's likely a case of a poorly maintained gun, poorly stored ammunition and/or a light primer strike. Happens all the time. Especially in old guns using old ammo. The .303 British round is usually bought as milsurp ammo and is often unreliable.
Oh, total stranger ‘sneaks’ up on ya. Well-groomed dude, “Only wanted to talk” - whips out camera, starts snapping shots for posterity, and the loner in woods becomes suspicious. Obviously the dude was tetched in brainpan. Obvious…
I know a trucker who was stopped by mike on the side of the road. Holding a rifle, hatchet and a machete. He denied the man a ride and kept going. (Edit: y’all probably been throat fuckin Mike eh? So y’all know where driver was and where Michael was eh? If so where and what colour was drivers cab over peterbilt?)
Having worked in acute-care psychiatry for 20 years, I just want to confirm that what you say about people with delusions can be true. Sometimes, and certainly not all the time, but sometimes a person with delusions can have a fully normal conversation and unless you bring up the topic that their delusions are steeped in, you will never realize they're delusional because they are fully lucid on all other topics.
@@pete1342well since you mentioned one person. Let me mention another. How long have you seen or heard about the decline of the current president's mental faculties? And why would you trust in a party that did everything to gloss over, deny or simply ignore these legitimate concerns? That sounds rather um....delusional to me. But go on with your derangement, it's obvious that most people won't accept a logical point if it is in conflict with their ideology.
Great job. No fluff or trying to be funny. Appriciate that. There where some differences in sound quality, no biggie. You will be at 10k in no time if you keep this up. I have seen tons of these but you managed to find a brand new one. Nice :-)
You are over confident in thinking there were NOT people in the woods...perhaps not people, but beings who can talk and very skilled at remaining hidden.
You are not hidden, I see you every morning when you climb down from your treehouse. Also, if you want to be hidden, stop dressing in all yellow clothing. Yellow is the most visible color. Try green or brown.
@@hopsta5628 At one time I believed they were....critters....no longer. They are beings, if you will, persons...They exhibit too many amazing abilities to be mere animals.
I really like the way you told this story, I know your channel is young but keep doing what you’re doing and I’m know you’ll do well. I’m definitely going to keep watching. Keep at it man, I look forward to seeing what you put out
Yep he was a great survivalist walking into empty hunting camps and stealing supplies, acting like the bush was his private property, if he wanted to be left alone maybe he should have just been a ghost and kept to himself if he was so proficient.
My best friend was the same, except he still remains aloof in his home,it became harder to see him,he also had super human strength.i could not feel safe in his presence any longer.
10:28 …Bigfoot? Spirits? 12:52 …not normal for a tracker to carry a camera and take pictures of Oros. I find that weird. Anybody that lives in the bush would find that odd.
Actually sounds like he had Lyme disease, which is easily gotten living in the woods, only takes 1 tick. I had it for 5 months (unknowingly) and it made me VERY paranoid during that time, especially towards the end.
19:34 I believe 100% he had Lyme disease, especially after the description of muscle aches, joint pains, and the mind confusion. If you let Lyme go untouched in your body, it will absolutely wreck you.
Not many people are mentally fit to live off the grid and this tragic case shows it. However many cases show that people live successfully off the grid for many years, from the Appalachian trapper to the Siberian hunter.
Narrator seems to be leaving out a lot of important facts. Why was the trapper that they claimed was murdered, in prison ? It's like you skip several pages from the book you've been reading from. Also about halfway through the video and I'm noticing narrator never stated what year it was that this took place in
Around the first question psychiatrists ask you when trying to determine if you're sane or insane or going insane is "Do you hear voices speaking when no one is there?"
Great video man! Subscribed. Edited to add: Now that I've listened to the end, rest in peace to the RCMP officer who gave his life in the attempt to capture Oros
The man in the documentary "Willard" whom lived in the Canadian wilderness for 60 years also was a ' draft dodger'. He jumped from a troop train during WW II.
Arrested the man on charges that didn't stick and killed his dogs, put together special teams to track and capture him and people still have the nerve to say he was crazy for wanting to be left alone because he believed the government was out to get him? What's crazy is people thinking he was the one that was crazy.
So they have zero evidence he committed any crime or murder. They still go with helicopters and in disguise as surveyors to arrest him for a supposed stolen kyak from years ago because they just assume hes guilty of murder with no evidence. Then, hold him for 30 days with no evidence. Then KILL ALL HIS DOGS. Then, an officer "whoops the ass" of a man in custody in a jail cell. the same officer who, while drunk after a domestic dispute with his wife, chainsawed his friends door down, and thats a funny story? Sounds like a guy with serious mental issues to me. Then hes released because they have no evidence. Then they won't return his property even though hes been realsed. Then, because of a report of someone breaking into a cabin in the woods, they send multiple teams of counter terroist trained officers to essentially hunt him and one of the officers was the one that "whooped his ass" while in custody. because that's a totally reasonable response to B&E. But he was just crazy thats why he thought the government was messing with him. The biased cognitive dissonance is quite strong in this story. I'd love to hear this story for someone objective and not just taking the government and cops word for basically everything in this case.
This case reminds me of Torbjørn Hansen, a 25-year-old Norwegian, who during the winter of 1951 shot at two grouse hunters and murdered two Norwegian pilots in the Swedish Lapland mountains. In the media, the then unknown killer went by the name *"Fjälldesperado"* _"The Mountain Bandit"_
guy leaves society to get away from the government, thinks they are attacking him. government keeps going to the middle of nowhere to attack him. government calls him crazy. okay then.
Leave alone those that want to be left alone.
The government did leave him alone until he started stealing other hunters supplies , making death threats , then someone goes missing !?
And stealing a mans supplies in the middle of know where that's low !
sounds like oros waa selected from youth to be a project ritual. " flower of life" using mkultra agents. 39:39
Hey schmuck ,the guy was a thief murder of people not even looking for him. Not to mention he sounds f- cking crazy.
@@stevedavis9462 Again, it'll never happen, there "WILL" always be someone or some entity that wants to take something from you. I'm sure you know this fact, just saying. If someone wants "at you" you'll NEVER ever left alone. Never fear evil.....j.m.o.
I spend long stretches out chasing gold in remote areas.
The longest I ever stayed out was a little over six weeks.
I don't know anything about hallucinating entire coversations or people running about, but about the three week mark you do get frequent auditory hallucinations.
Or say rather, the sound of equipment banging around in the wind sounds like a car door being closed or a bird call sounds like a human voice calling out at a distance and you find yourself constantly listening for it even though you know there is nothing there.
My point is that maybe it was something like this that set old matey off his rocker...
Humans need humans, and even if we don't like them, we are happier with them around. :)
Hello Shredmur. I've heard this story from other sources and they're usually from interviews of RCMP and people in nearby cities. When the indigenous people are mentioned it's usually the Tlingit people. But in truth Mike Oros has spent most of his time in northern BC which is mostly Tahltan territory where I am from. My dad has stories of my grandpa befriending him when he was just a young harmless man looking to live in the bush. Sometimes he would be found sleeping in the church when he passed through.
Oros has spent a lot of his early years living with people from Telegraph and Iskut where he learned to survive in the north. He spent five years with a couple from telegraph until he got kicked out for uttering death threats after an altercation with their dogs. Another story was someone coming home one morning and finding someone broke into their house, cooked a meal and washed the dishes and left. Everyone knew it was him because that behavior was out of character of everyone else but him.
him and fletcher had fights about him up in chesly using/breaking in his hunting cabins, lots of people knew him from atlin to iskut, he use the telegraph trail as highway
@@vicdelange2634 Yes he did frequently used the trail. And not everyone was afraid of him. Back then, a lot of people were willing to shoot him if they got in a hostile encounter with him once he became a known killer.
Also Fletcher Day was a legend himself just like all the old elders those days.
@@vicdelange2634all of you were afraid of him. when oros came to town,you all pissed yer pants.
@@JohnnyDanger36963sure buddy keep fantasizing 😂
@JohnnyDanger36963 rumor has it, he was a distant relative of Chuck Norris.
If you know someone wants to be left alone, LEAVE THEM ALONE !!!
It'll NEVER happen, there WILL always be someone willing to f..k. with us.......Just saying
😂 very myopic viewpoint considering what happened here. Lol another dip💩 chiming in with not 1 but 2 fallacies in just 1 sentence and doesn't have the mental capacity to grasp them.
That’s the worst thing you could possibly do when you’re dealing with someone suffering from a severe mental illness like Oros.
Kind of hard when he takes over your cabin.
@Stevedavis
It's pretty impressive to intimidate a tribe from going into an area because you're batshit crazy.
Great terminology, LOL.
try living with them. it's not like Hollywood. they are neither omnipotent nor omniscient, nor benevolent. and they sure as hell aren't endowed with mystical wisdom let alone metaphysical powers
Helping to create an image of "supernatural powers" has been used effectively before. By individuals as well as governments. A prime example being the Duvalier regime of Haiti, who played on the natives' fear of voodoo to terrorize the populace into submission.
There was real "black magic" in our Tlingit history. Christianity wiped most of it out. My grandfather was the last one I've known to watch a shape-shifting Shaman turn into a crane. That is against nature and God's order. Thank God for the light of His Son! ✝️ ☦️
@@ernstschrandt3676 Actually "bat shit crazy" brings about an image that technical terms couldn't. Whatever the words are that work best are the correct choice,
And of course the CIA would never give mind altering drugs to american civilians....
Riiiiiiiiiiiight?! Cause that would NEVER happen... That's "conspiracy theory".
@XXNerdzillaXX me and my friends have a saying. the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth nowadays appears to be 3-6 months 😂 because whats a conspiracy theory today, governments seem to admit to later.
@@keltongillanders5736 Yup, that saying has been around for a few decades. Makes sense.
@@XXNerdzillaXX i dont know where i first heard it but i didnt knpw itd been around THAT long, thats crazy lol
@@keltongillanders5736 There's nothing new under the sun. When I was a kid, just even mentioning that stuff would get ya completely ejected from social groups. It's come a long way, but not far enough. It's too slow and it's only gonna get worse before it gets worse.
“Finding a home and being free” are what most people are looking for I think. But those things change shape and meaning over time
Yes those things instantly change when you commit violent felonies.
He just wanted to be free. There are those that cannot fathom the concept of freedom. I envy the experiences and the talent this man had to exist in such an adverse environment. Leave it to some government authority to defy the very concept of freedom.
@@geraldcalderone5228-x2p men are what you make them
Its lazy, pie in the sky escapism. Face your life. Running from it is just bs
Being free is still a possibility. Don't knock it because wea aren't there yet. @@tamatirogerson6421
They killed his dogs?!?
It's on now.
Just like the FBI and ATF they will always go after your pets
For sure. Government agents cannot be classified as human beings.
Right? “Oh we can’t catch theses dogs living in the wilderness who are only familiar with one human being… better just kill them” Big government logic for sure.
@@ComboMuster True keyboard warriors. Hate the agents who killed the dogs, but not the psychopath who killed an innocent person.
@@66Bunn We do not know the circumstances of that murder. What is absolutely sure is that law enforcement killed his dogs for no reason just for the hell of it. Does that make anybody empathetic to law enforcement?
If you kill a mans dog you'll be hunted.
A man shouldn't ever give anyone an opportunity to kill his dog.
Or A Reason
@@renegade2556 He didn't. They promised him they'd look after them. I'm fairly certain the original agreement didn't include just shooting them.
Government killed the Weavers dog and Gordon Kahls dog trying to provoke a gun fight. It worked with the Weavers because they shot the 13 year old Sammy weavers dog right infront of him. Then they sprayed him up his back as he ran away. They killed a 13 year old child with a machine gun. Then a sniper took his mother out as she nursed her 5 month old baby
@@Censored4UViaGoogle From The Dirt! Vote For Proper Representation! Run For Office! Working Together as Americans Under The Constitution lawfully with respect to the law and the Constitution is the only way from the ground up to Protect each other and evoke Favorable Change. The System is in Place as WE THE PEOPLE to Take Charge and Elect Representatives that Do Exactly What We Want Them to do! There is no "Them".Unless you sit on your ass and do nothing, whilst your Opponents elect their dude,Dude.
Just goes to show that you're never free. Sometimes you mess with the wrong person. They killed his dogs which would have pissed me off too. All that grief and the charges didn't stick. No one bothered to see that his mental illness was treated.
Whose responsibility is it to have Mikes mental health in check?
@StLMikie that is a great point
@@miraxus6264 I’m not trying to be insulting. Just trying to inspire thought. It’s easy to kinda place blame. Someone obviously dropped the ball somewhere. But even before the dogs were gone he’d killed right? How do we check, guys living like this, mental health? I think a lot of this falls on Mikes shoulders. I don’t think that’s victim blaming.
@StLMikie maybe I heard it wrong. But..how do we know he killed that 1 guy? It said he shot him..but they then said the defense could argue that this guy had dissapeared before...so apparently no one witnessed that..and they shot and killed oros..he didn't confess to it...hard to say how his mental health really was..to be fair..he lived in one of the harshest environments and lived alone...
@@miraxus6264 you’re absolutely right. And maybe I’m the one who misunderstood, but I thought that in the end they were able to connect his gun to the murder? Years after his death they did some science to figure it out?
Great story. I completely understand Oros's desire to live to himself away from the things of man. I have done shorter stints in the wilder places of North America myself for the same reasons. That being said, I also know how crucial it is to be courteous and hospitable to other people you meet in that setting. Paranoia will destroy ya.
A Great Story Teller...never missed a beat.
A VERY TRAGIC ending on all levels. But HOW AMAZING Mr. Oros thrived in these extreme conditions for 10 yrs....He knew & loved those woods.
I howling run around with the pack of dogs everyday so much better than conversing with humans and 10 times more loyal and truthful
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What do you think you're doing on here?
I got harassed by a US Federal park rangers. I told him hey I just want to be left alone! so he said I feel threatened!! they demanded I get out of my truck even though I wasn't driving and it wasn't running!!!.... I was parked on a dirt road by the river fishing they gave me a entire sobriety test!agenst my will. I passed it all ! even though I'm wearing leg braces with a spinal cord injury!!!! then they searched my truck!!!! illegally !!!and found an empty smashed flat beer can,under the truck seat, and """"lied """"and said it was half full of an=== Amber frothy liquid=== and gave me a fine for $140 bucks
they detain me for over an hour humiliating me in front of people. all because I told him I want to be"""" left alone""""" these guys are super assholes,today!. that ain't the first time they've drew first blood. These corrupt Federal Park Rangers LYDE on the probable cause report! because I had a copy of it sent to me! it's perjury
Local police wrongfully arrested me. Humiliated me infront of me neighbors and then the body cam footage was hacked lol
And yet you write your wrote this story as one sentence. Which is, in itself, an indication that you are not doing that well.
@@jdenmark1287 Look at your first sentence. (?)
Does it matter?
@@stevenroper3577 it does. My sentence structure indicates that there was something off with me when I wrote it, as I didn’t proofread it.
In my case, it was a lack of sufficient sleep due to personal stress.
@@stevenroper3577I don't have anything against people f from Denmark but this person obviously was raised in a subservient state of limitation.
probably sobbed and bowed to the queen after forfeiting their own life and existence in trade for a small brain
Great job with this video. Keep it up
You have alot of confidence in the government being the good guy in the story 😅
The only good choice Oros made was dodging that draft. Everything else he did afterwards was entirely uncalled for and a product of his paranoid schizophrenia. Clearly anti-establishment bias if you believe otherwise.
Well listen to him. He clearly does not have a high IQ.
drawing some lines there aren't you.
@@Lifted001 Getting away to live secluded and off grid is 1 thing but he definitely took it to a whole other level. He invited his problems for sure
The government put a lot off effort in for a stolen boat worth probably under 100 dollars.
Back in the early 20th century, late 19th, it was common for guys living out in the sticks too long to become "bushed" as they used to say.
Great job man. A far better delivery than a lot of bigger budgeting channels using ai inserted non relevant video. Im subscribing.
Cheers
Just read the book, for the second time. Hard to put down. He went mad from living in the bush by himself for too long, especially in the winter, when it’s dark just about all the time.
@markliebrock4268,
That is not true, his paranoia is a genetic chemical imbalance in his brain and was only destined to deteriorate without medical treatment, I know because my brother in law became schizophrenic following his use of drugs when he was around 19 years old and could function fairly well until he would quit his medication. Luckily, he has never been violent, just hard to deal with. He is currently doing well in the only assisted living home in our state that will accept schizophrenic patients. That is a sad statement on our healthcare system! I see mentally ill people living on the streets every time that I go out.
@@clanrobertson7200yes, it sounds like he had paranoid schizophrenia.
Isolation drives you mad when you were already fucked up in the head to begin with. Nothing wrong with isolating yourself if you're not a nutcase.
Sounds like his paranoia was only furthered by "government officials" confirming every paranoid thought that he had.
They essentially proved that he wasn't crazy. They relentlessly harassed this man .
@@clanrobertson7200 Ok but you really have no idea if it's true or not it just sounds like what happened to someone close to you. It's not like solitary confinement to the unbelievable extreme couldn't drive someone to snap. Solid minded or not.
Followed you.
Great presentation
I had an acquaintance who lived in the arctic of Canada in the 1970s , he lived in a small tent and would spy on oil exploration of competitors of his employers,
He would document the depth of the drilling , and other details,
I was amazed that he would do that type of work,
However he was very well paid and obviously had the knowledge and skills
Buddy, "arraigned" means charges are brought against you formally in court. I think you meant to say "acquitted" which still wouldnt be right, because when youre acquitted, they can't charge you for that crime again. The charges were dropped due to lack of evidence.
Sounds like he got the waco ruby ridge railroad treatment, with no evidence of a crime and not convicted in any court of law. Which means he was innocent until proven guilty, instead he was murdered by clown enforcement
Sounds almost identical
Cooker
The establishment don’t like people who are different,they go after them with all guns blazing and things go tits up
You're not thinking the situation through in a logical format. The RCMP were obligated to apprehend Oros because of breaking and entering and theft of the older couple's cabin... yes no proof at this point, only testimony... the old couple came into a police station and tell the police that they identified Oros just outside their cabin after what they found... they tell the police they feel unsafe... the police are ultimately obligated by a even a hearsay testimony scenario... the police know that if they have to apprehend this guy to end his threat to this old couple, they have to do it right and take full precautions... to minimize their own risk they went out in force to apprehend Oros... and like they expected it didn't go well. The other stories, theories, previous charges, assumptions of possible murder etc about Oros are not necessary for the police action on the morning of what ended being the shootout.
If you can explain to me the conversation between the old couple and the RCMP that you would deem appropriate that the RCMP would decline to take immediate/as soon as possible action, I'll really consider maybe my judgment is off.
This whole story feels like a movie to me. Kudos 👏 for your narration. Although half of the time I must admit I thought about moving on bc it's a long story but I am very happy I stayed for the end ☺️. Your a great story teller! You certainly have my Sub. ❤
This is a pretty terrifying story
People were drugged and followed during the Vietnam era .
There are feral people living in the woods everywhere, including Alaska .The mysterious Lesche was stalking Oros.
Law enforcement had no training with the mentally ill .
The officer with a chainsaw … Wasn’t funny.
I’m sure there’s more to the story than a stolen canoe ….
If some one shot my dogs, stole my shit knowing it was winter time , well it would no doubt have turned out a similar way.
This story is in a book called “Descent into Madness” by Cpl. Vernon Frolick 8:45
Don't know where you got the rank but Frolick was a prosecutor.
Great book and Frolich was the Crown prosecutor.
I truly enjoyed the way you narrated this story. Subscribed now and looking forward to more.
I worked at Sheslay area in 88, knew Fletcher & a few of his sons. Heard quite a bit about ‘Sheslay Mike’ & the unfortunate loss of the Constable. The Sheslay river & the Sheslay airstrip are notable features of the west Tahltan country
Looked it up on satellite images (google). There is NOTHING out there. Now that’s rural.
@@npalmi88 that is an understatement, as remote & untamed as it gets. Incredibly beautiful magnificent country
That's a cool background. Never heard of this one. Thank you for the content! New sub here!
No one is more dangerous than a man who just wants to be LEFT ALONE. This man moved as far away from people as he could move and idiots still pursued him w weapons but zero probabl cause that he had committed a crime. Murdered him. Then hailed the govt murderer as a hero.
Makes sense to who?
6 out
He was a constant threat to other people who had a right to be in the woods. Isolation doesn't alleviate the symptoms of schizophrenia.
That's how the world works, our rulers decide our fate.
@@DenisCamp-b3v I disagree. I don't have a ruler that decides my fate. I wud never submit to that line of thought.
Only KING I have is Jesus.
I do believe that we all have an appointment with death. And no matter where we go or what we do, we won't miss that appointment.
I watched my soldiers travel 15000 miles to make that appointment. I have to believe that or the guilt wud drive me insane.
I make this comment, not to start drama but just to relay another view point.
Regards,
6 out
@@commanderman_64 6 out??? What does that mean, 6 out?
@@gabyvansant4533 it's military radio jargon.
6 is the commander call sign. Out means he's done sending message.
6 out
This video is missing one thing- a lone, bare lightbulb swinging slowly from the ceiling 😂😂
😅🤣😂😅 Oh God, that was perfect!!
Right, that would add a lot more😮
With "Tupelo" playing
Ok
😂👍🏻
Good Job Narrating man, better than alot of bigger channels who sensationalise events and add BS!
He got even with the guy who beat him up and killed his dogs.
As I always, say, dogs are man's best Friend. That's how you know cops aren't men.
Idk where your sudden video output came from, but I'm digging it! Thanks and keep it up!
I'd never heard this story, very interesting, and excellent storytelling.
Wow this story held my attention the entire time...Subscribed and looking forward to more content like this.
I had a lee enfield.303 for a bit . Problem was during that time all I could find was old ww1 ammunition made from that stick propellant cordon or whatever it was called . It wasn’t reliable. It would hang fire at best. It was the worst ammo I ever had . It usually fired but always hang fired. I bet he had the same ammo. This was before the internet so we didn’t have options for ammunition. He’d already been arrested so he probably only had his crappy backup rifle
I believe it's called cordite. Smokeless powder mix formed intro strands and packed vertically inside the brass. Produces a slow burn effect or something like that, I'm too lazy to google it right now.
There's this zombie hunting WWII game. And one of the rifles was a Lee Enfield. Nice gun to use in the game
Cordite was an early 'smokeless' propellant made from nitrocellulose, nitroglycerine, and petroleum jelly, extruded into strands. It was mostly loaded into straight cased cartridges which were then in common use. It was very sensitive to high ambient temperature and pressure within the weapon upon ignition of the stuff, would spike dangerously in tropical climates, leading to a preference for large caliber black powder double barreled rifles by some of the old school veteran Safari guides well into the smokeless era.
Canada has a lot of land where men like him could thrive.
Only if you know how to survive there, ie trapping etc , it’s not for everyone , men can die there to.
It isn't "thriving" if you're pushing local people off their traditional lands.
@@jturtle5318
what people? there's nobody except foxes, rabbits and deer.😂
Even Pocahontas didn't live in the woods
@@MrUzminiNu if you listen to the video, he explains that local trappers and hunters were afraid of him.
@@jturtle5318
if you read yourself what your writing about "pushing people off their traditional lands."
being "afraid and scared" after harassment and bodily harm is a normal reaction.
You said it yourself and at that time they had "No evidence"!!! They were hunting an innocent man according to LAW!!!
So refreshing to watch a documentary with a narrator that talks like a normal person.
How do they know he was trying to attack the other group first? Sounds like he was doing everything he could to get away as they were hunting him down.
Srsly. The fact that they showed up expecting to kill him says it all. They straight up assassinated and guy for p much no reason (shooting in the direction of a plane that was spying on him and suspicion of another crime).
Reminds me of another Canadian manhunt story Albert Johnson aka The Mad Trapper of Rat River.
It's actually more sad that everything oros suspected came true. They hunted down a sick man who actually needed help. Its sickening that you sympathize for the oppressors.
Naive to think everyone can be helped. Why don't you go try to help a scitzophrentic murderer and tell me how that goes for you
Yeah, I was thinking. Why don’t they just leave the schizo alone in the woods with his dogs when it comes down to it what was he hurting?
Sounds like he didn't want help. He had plenty of time to get it n prison if he just copped to the murder he committed.
Great story, you're really good at this btw. I'm subbed and look forward to you telling more great stories in the future!
Great narration, I enjoyed that.
in the 70's we said " just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you. "
100yr old tech Enfield vs radios and helicopters and kill teams!! I remember when this happened and every version it seemed it could have been dealt with differently
Congrats on the response to this video dude! You’re doing somethin right! I personally loved the video
The pigs officially declared war on the guy when they killed his dogs
You should add more pictures of the people you are referring to and any evidence or locations you are talking about. Good story though.
No! You will take your anatomy lesson and love it!!!
Wires crossed, few screws loose, couple cards short of a full deck, shell shocked, bell rung, not all there.....we have known and described mental illness in maxims for a long time.
😭 Airplanes and government agents never drop drugs on me.
Some people have all the luck. 😢
That was great story telling mate. Earned a sub.
Young guy hasn’t been around and definitely knows nothing about dirty deeds! If you learn the victors write history, everything else falls in place!
Some may choose to believe the indian curse saved Rodgers. It's likely a case of a poorly maintained gun, poorly stored ammunition and/or a light primer strike. Happens all the time. Especially in old guns using old ammo. The .303 British round is usually bought as milsurp ammo and is often unreliable.
Shooting his dogs didnt help the situation.
All that manpower and resources for a petty theft of a canoe
Oh, total stranger ‘sneaks’ up on ya. Well-groomed dude, “Only wanted to talk” - whips out camera, starts snapping shots for posterity, and the loner in woods becomes suspicious. Obviously the dude was tetched in brainpan. Obvious…
I felt like you covered this story like a pro. Best wishes on your channel's growth.
"Didnt have evidence, at this point."
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Sums up the criminal justice SYSTEM.
I know a trucker who was stopped by mike on the side of the road. Holding a rifle, hatchet and a machete. He denied the man a ride and kept going.
(Edit: y’all probably been throat fuckin Mike eh? So y’all know where driver was and where Michael was eh? If so where and what colour was drivers cab over peterbilt?)
Saw
@@lachlan1971 Means the same thing
@@RustyAlberta6.6You’re grammatically incorrect. 🙄🤦🏼♂️
Stay in school.
@@RustyAlberta6.6 past or present ffs
Alan, I don't think most people care about grammar on TH-cam comments.
Thr content of their comment is what matters.
Having worked in acute-care psychiatry for 20 years, I just want to confirm that what you say about people with delusions can be true. Sometimes, and certainly not all the time, but sometimes a person with delusions can have a fully normal conversation and unless you bring up the topic that their delusions are steeped in, you will never realize they're delusional because they are fully lucid on all other topics.
trump supporters explained.
Nice b8 m8@@pete1342
@@pete1342 Imagine bringing up politics in an unrelated video and even worse, believing the whole red versus blue game.
@@pete1342look in the mirror
@@pete1342well since you mentioned one person. Let me mention another. How long have you seen or heard about the decline of the current president's mental faculties? And why would you trust in a party that did everything to gloss over, deny or simply ignore these legitimate concerns? That sounds rather um....delusional to me. But go on with your derangement, it's obvious that most people won't accept a logical point if it is in conflict with their ideology.
Great job. No fluff or trying to be funny. Appriciate that. There where some differences in sound quality, no biggie. You will be at 10k in no time if you keep this up. I have seen tons of these but you managed to find a brand new one. Nice :-)
You are over confident in thinking there were NOT people in the woods...perhaps not people, but beings who can talk and very skilled at remaining hidden.
You are not hidden, I see you every morning when you climb down from your treehouse. Also, if you want to be hidden, stop dressing in all yellow clothing. Yellow is the most visible color. Try green or brown.
Indeed there IS !!
@@shanghunter7697 sabe...sasquatch
I know for a fact that the critters exist, I've had a few encounters with the critters that frequent a forest about 5 miles from my home.
@@hopsta5628 At one time I believed they were....critters....no longer. They are beings, if you will, persons...They exhibit too many amazing abilities to be mere animals.
I really like the way you told this story, I know your channel is young but keep doing what you’re doing and I’m know you’ll do well. I’m definitely going to keep watching. Keep at it man, I look forward to seeing what you put out
Such crazy story. Really most people even living in the wilderness are nice folk, but also it draws in all kinds of crazies
It’s called a squib. When the primer doesn’t ignite the gunpowder or the powder doesn’t burn all the way and the bullet doesn’t exit the rifle.
Yep he was a great survivalist walking into empty hunting camps and stealing supplies, acting like the bush was his private property, if he wanted to be left alone maybe he should have just been a ghost and kept to himself if he was so proficient.
I remember when they killed him. I woke up and heard it on the radio, I was a kid. Thought the whole thing was pretty wild.
My best friend was the same, except he still remains aloof in his home,it became harder to see him,he also had super human strength.i could not feel safe in his presence any longer.
How do they know he sniped the Lishy guy? Did he write it in his diary?
Q: Hey you! are you breaking any laws?..
A: Maybe, is that level 4 body armor?🤣🤣
That’s a funny video
10:28 …Bigfoot? Spirits?
12:52 …not normal for a tracker to carry a camera and take pictures of Oros. I find that weird. Anybody that lives in the bush would find that odd.
Amateur photographer as well lol. I've seen this before. Maybe they were agents!
Great story.. very moving presentation.
The sneekarounds were likely Sasquatch.
Or dogman they can get in your head or maybe skinwalker!
@@jasonmcmanus6169first thing I thought, Skinwalker.
Or hallucinations.
I'm Cherokee, we call them lookarounds.
Must have been Martians!
Isn't this a major HIPAA violation the shrink disclosing all of this information to law-enforcement.
Nice job mate. Keep it up. From New Zealand..
Wtf? Why do LE get off on killing dogs?
Cops way to show civilians who has the power.
Provocation . . . ☆
Old ammo. Old rifle. Theres your miracle.
If he accepted induction into the Army, he would have been issued a modern weapon and all of the brand new ammunition that he could carry.
Actually sounds like he had Lyme disease, which is easily gotten living in the woods, only takes 1 tick. I had it for 5 months (unknowingly) and it made me VERY paranoid during that time, especially towards the end.
19:34 I believe 100% he had Lyme disease, especially after the description of muscle aches, joint pains, and the mind confusion. If you let Lyme go untouched in your body, it will absolutely wreck you.
Not many people are mentally fit to live off the grid and this tragic case shows it. However many cases show that people live successfully off the grid for many years, from the Appalachian trapper to the Siberian hunter.
Thank you, I enjoyed the video!
Narrator seems to be leaving out a lot of important facts. Why was the trapper that they claimed was murdered, in prison ? It's like you skip several pages from the book you've been reading from.
Also about halfway through the video and I'm noticing narrator never stated what year it was that this took place in
Appreciate the commentary but the book Descent into Madness by Vernon Frolick is much more in depth . I read it years ago and think about it often.
I'm subscribing just cuz i am hoping to find out where u found that nifty wall paper in some future episode.
Great Presentation. What is the alcohol of choice in this Upper B.C/Yukon Territory ?
Around the first question psychiatrists ask you when trying to determine if you're sane or insane or going insane is "Do you hear voices speaking when no one is there?"
Schizophrenia. It’s probably more common than most people think.
@@djquinn11Without a doubt... I've heard a few myself
I get songs stuck in my head at times, over and over again. It is maddening. eventually I just listen to another tune.
All psychologists are paranoid scitzoids.
Great coverage. Thank you.
Very ironic. He wound up a hermit, same as many veterans who went to Viet Nam.
Great video man! Subscribed.
Edited to add: Now that I've listened to the end, rest in peace to the RCMP officer who gave his life in the attempt to capture Oros
The man in the documentary "Willard" whom lived in the Canadian wilderness for 60 years also was a ' draft dodger'.
He jumped from a troop train during WW II.
Arrested the man on charges that didn't stick and killed his dogs, put together special teams to track and capture him and people still have the nerve to say he was crazy for wanting to be left alone because he believed the government was out to get him? What's crazy is people thinking he was the one that was crazy.
Like Gary Weaver in the USA’s northern Idaho. Except after entrapment by the ATF they killed his wife, son AND their dog.
@@bwca4454
It's Randy Weaver, but right on my friend!
So they have zero evidence he committed any crime or murder. They still go with helicopters and in disguise as surveyors to arrest him for a supposed stolen kyak from years ago because they just assume hes guilty of murder with no evidence. Then, hold him for 30 days with no evidence. Then KILL ALL HIS DOGS. Then, an officer "whoops the ass" of a man in custody in a jail cell. the same officer who, while drunk after a domestic dispute with his wife, chainsawed his friends door down, and thats a funny story? Sounds like a guy with serious mental issues to me. Then hes released because they have no evidence. Then they won't return his property even though hes been realsed. Then, because of a report of someone breaking into a cabin in the woods, they send multiple teams of counter terroist trained officers to essentially hunt him and one of the officers was the one that "whooped his ass" while in custody. because that's a totally reasonable response to B&E. But he was just crazy thats why he thought the government was messing with him. The biased cognitive dissonance is quite strong in this story. I'd love to hear this story for someone objective and not just taking the government and cops word for basically everything in this case.
This is why you never write anything down, or keep a journal. Only the cops are really interested.
The CIA simply cannot allow their assets to survive once their usefulness has run its course.
That’s name phobic calling him his real name 😂
😂
I empathize with Oros more than with the government agents who hounded him.
It is not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
This case reminds me of Torbjørn Hansen, a 25-year-old Norwegian, who during the winter of 1951 shot at two grouse hunters and murdered two Norwegian pilots in the Swedish Lapland mountains. In the media, the then unknown killer went by the name *"Fjälldesperado"* _"The Mountain Bandit"_
There was a "trapper" that had clean fingernails that took a "friendly picture" of him. Sounds legit
Tell me you are a gross slob without telling me. The guy was a crazy person who had poor hygiene and assumed others needed to be like his dirty ass.
Exactly!!!! I just put a comment up about the nails