David, I come back to these videos over and over again. Are you still making videos? This is one of my favorite channels on TH-cam! Godspeed, I hope this finds you well.
Some 40 odd years ago my husband and I regularly walked our dog along the path through the pillars that marked the palace. As a history buff myself I often thought of the people who had passed by there. Thank you for your history of the palace.
Thank You for this documentary ! This has been the most information that I have seen on this building . Your presentation is excellent along with views of the model and the illustrations . A sad loss indeed .
Hello David, Many thanks for your kind comments. Had it survived I think it would now be one of the most visited buildings in the country. regards David
Superb video. Hampton Court Palace was a political statement, as Henry VIII took it to show that nothing and noone was beyond his power and influence. This video correctly gives insight to the most opulent and luxurious palace of Henry VIII.
THANK YOU for this wonderful video! Nonsuch Palace is almost a footnote in history and has been hard for me to imagine. I had the idea it was built primarily to house Prince Edward (Edward VI), a place far from diseases and other dangers. I correctly had the idea that Nonsuch was flashy, in my opinion, something more like P.T. Barnum's home, Iranistan. Nonsuch did not have the elegant and classic features of Fontainebleau. Nevertheless, it is tragic that it has not survived to this day. I very much appreciate the work in this video! It is Easter Sunday and it is a gift!
Thank you for a wonderful and interesting video. I have a special place for Nonsuch in my heart as I grew up on Nonsuch Island in Bermuda, named after the palace, as it too is one of a kind. AS a child we had a print of the palace on the wall. I'm also an Oxfordian, and have sympathy with the Prince Tudor theory. Your work is fascinating - keep it coming!
Thank god for those who both remember and remind us of the past, whilst preserving the history they share. Well narated, interesting, and enjoyable-many thanks 👍
@@davidshakespeare1767 Thanks so much David so lovely to hear from you, I hadn't heard of nonsuch palace until I stumbled across your post, so really appreciate the introduction which I thoroughly enjoyed. Pretty starved for history in young new zealand 👍🏰
I have subscribed after watching “The Pregnancy Portrait”, and now this. You have a keen mind and an excellent speaking voice…as well as a shared interest with me. Thank you.🖤🇨🇦
I've watched this several times and can't wait to see part two. Thank you for providing a fascinating glimpse in to the Tudor world. It's such a shame this marvel of art and architecture was demolished over gambling debts.
I'm reminded of the post WW2 Death duty taxation policies of the Socialist (Labour) government, that were so punitive the owners of great country houses felt they had no choice but to demolish them. Thus, the impossible 80% of total value taxes levied were not paid, and we lost centuries of magnificent architecture of incalculable value to the nation. Something like 2,000 great houses were lost. Along with the houses went thousands of works of art, which had lost their homes. Most of that art left the shores of Britain for ever. This, effectively, was government steered/imposed vandalism. It was Labour's sanitised version of the French revolution's guillotine. The French removed the owners' heads, but left most of the chateaux standing.
The Cuddingtons (or Coddingtons) by way of compensation were given the lands around Ixworth, formerly owned by the Abbey of Bury St Edmunds. Today it's a large village but at the time was a pretty important market town (including 2 goldsmiths) I grew up there and you can still see the Coddington tomb in the church
This is how to present a case. Clear measured diction. Plenty of illustrations accompanying the text. Anticipating questions the viewer may have. Not being dogmatic. Setting out both sides of the argument and letting the viewer decide. A masterclass.😀😀😀
Beautiful. I read a novel long ago which figured Nonsuch or the ruins of it and stoked my imagination. I highly recommend it to those who like historical novels- "Green Darkness". I may have to reread it now.
That obelisk from the gardens looks almost exactly like the pillars in the 1640 frontispiece of the first English edition of Bacon's "The Advancement of learning".
I am looking forward to part two! Your maternity Liz video was very interesting as I have not been able to step away from my belief that Essex was her son by Dudley which explains his 'entitled' behaviour to me anyway. Thank you for these.
John Lumley's second wife was Elizabeth Darcy, daughter of John Darcy Baron of Chiche and his wife Frances nee Rich. They married in 1582. John Lumley died in 1609, his widow in 1617, but they were childless. They must have had apartments at Nonsuch or a house very close by, but Lumley of course had many properties. They included a house on Tower Hill which Arundell had given to him while his first wife was alive. Lumley left the Tower Hill property to his second wife Elizabeth. Her brother, Thomas Darcy, later Earl Rivers, had four children. Elizabeth Lumley's will left the Tower Hill house to her niece Elizabeth nee Darcy ( or rather her husband Sir Thomas Savage, later Viscount Savage). Savage was one of the will's executors, and the Savages appear to have visited the Lumleys at Nonsuch. This has always suggested to me that Elizabeth Darcy was a favoured niece of the childless couple. I have absolutely no evidence whatsoever, but I have a picture in my mind of a young Elizabeth Darcy, and her siblings, visiting their aunt and uncle at Nonsuch when the court wasn't there, and sneaking into the state rooms to play hide and seek ... all that lovely empty space to run around in on a wet day ...
Was there a reason Barbara couldn’t sell the palace intact and it’s lands to a wealthy noble, international royal or another country, to pay off her debt? Was the palace in shambles when all this occurred and worth so little as a whole? The building costs and lands had to be worth vastly more than the $100K she raised by demolishing it. Was Barbara afflicted with mental instability or possibly did this out of spite, what happened to her remaining debt, was she put in debtors prison for not paying it in total? Seems odd and or stupid to part out, “a palace”, like a junk car, we’re things so different back then on property values? Was she initially awarded the palace without any or much supporting lands, that maybe a reason she couldn’t think of any other way, as lands would have been needed, (by her or a prospective purchaser), to raise livestock and agriculture to generate funds for the palaces operational upkeep. The town was a market town, as stated, high traffic and economically stable, seems common sense selling it as a whole to a domestic or international entity for a luxury hotel, even a college, hospital, attraction even a market.
Thank you. I have often heard of the Palace in history. It is nice to see what it looked like and learn why it disapeared . Did Henry just evict the land owners, or were there compensation laws even he had to follow?
Nonsuch Palace bequeathed a lovely park upon the people of south London. Cheam would not be Cheam, without its 600 acre Nonsuch Park. The Houses of the local school were Lumley, Tabor, and others. (If you work out the cost by a worker’s salary then and now, the palace cost much more than £10 million.) R
I can’t help being glad it hasn’t survived since Henry VIII didn’t care that many villagers were cleared from the village and he took down a church as well. What a vile man.
Hello Heath, Yes there was a big excavation of the palace about 40 years ago. There are vague plans to excavate the Grove of Diana but the issue I understand is cost. Interesting thought though. I will ask the question. Regards David
I remain somewhat sceptical about this place ever actually existing, rather than it being a figment of the chronicler involved. The name is a giveaway for the doubters!
David, I come back to these videos over and over again. Are you still making videos? This is one of my favorite channels on TH-cam! Godspeed, I hope this finds you well.
Some 40 odd years ago my husband and I regularly walked our dog along the path through the pillars that marked the palace. As a history buff myself I often thought of the people who had passed by there. Thank you for your history of the palace.
Thank You for this documentary ! This has been the most information that I have seen on this building . Your presentation is excellent along with views of the model and the illustrations . A sad loss indeed .
Hello David, Many thanks for your kind comments. Had it survived I think it would now be one of the most visited buildings in the country. regards David
Superb video. Hampton Court Palace was a political statement, as Henry VIII took it to show that nothing and noone was beyond his power and influence. This video correctly gives insight to the most opulent and luxurious palace of Henry VIII.
THANK YOU for this wonderful video! Nonsuch Palace is almost a footnote in history and has been hard for me to imagine. I had the idea it was built primarily to house Prince Edward (Edward VI), a place far from diseases and other dangers.
I correctly had the idea that Nonsuch was flashy, in my opinion, something more like P.T. Barnum's home, Iranistan. Nonsuch did not have the elegant and classic features of Fontainebleau. Nevertheless, it is tragic that it has not survived to this day.
I very much appreciate the work in this video! It is Easter Sunday and it is a gift!
Thank you for a wonderful and interesting video. I have a special place for Nonsuch in my heart as I grew up on Nonsuch Island in Bermuda, named after the palace, as it too is one of a kind. AS a child we had a print of the palace on the wall. I'm also an Oxfordian, and have sympathy with the Prince Tudor theory. Your work is fascinating - keep it coming!
Hello Janet, Many thanks for your kind words.It makes all the hard work worthwhile. Kind regards David
Thank god for those who both remember and remind us of the past, whilst preserving the history they share. Well narated, interesting, and enjoyable-many thanks 👍
Hello there, Two years ago I hadn't even heard of Nonsuch Palace. It was such a joy to research it share with others. regards David
@@davidshakespeare1767 Thanks so much David so lovely to hear from you, I hadn't heard of nonsuch palace until I stumbled across your post, so really appreciate the introduction which I thoroughly enjoyed. Pretty starved for history in young new zealand 👍🏰
I have subscribed after watching “The Pregnancy Portrait”, and now this. You have a keen mind and an excellent speaking voice…as well as a shared interest with me. Thank you.🖤🇨🇦
He's interested in you? Or at least, as interested in you as you are? Tamarra and David, sitting in a tree!
Utterly arresting! Compelling viewing for everyone with an interest in Elizabeth...and Oxford. Looking forward to Pt 2.
I've watched this several times and can't wait to see part two. Thank you for providing a fascinating glimpse in to the Tudor world. It's such a shame this marvel of art and architecture was demolished over gambling debts.
I'm reminded of the post WW2 Death duty taxation policies of the Socialist (Labour) government, that were so punitive the owners of great country houses felt they had no choice but to demolish them. Thus, the impossible 80% of total value taxes levied were not paid, and we lost centuries of magnificent architecture of incalculable value to the nation. Something like 2,000 great houses were lost. Along with the houses went thousands of works of art, which had lost their homes. Most of that art left the shores of Britain for ever. This, effectively, was government steered/imposed vandalism. It was Labour's sanitised version of the French revolution's guillotine. The French removed the owners' heads, but left most of the chateaux standing.
The Cuddingtons (or Coddingtons) by way of compensation were given the lands around Ixworth, formerly owned by the Abbey of Bury St Edmunds. Today it's a large village but at the time was a pretty important market town (including 2 goldsmiths) I grew up there and you can still see the Coddington tomb in the church
How cool❤️
Wonderful history and narration so peaceful and beautifully spoken too. Makes such a change!
Hello Dee, thanks for your kind comments. It makes all the work worthwhile. Take look at part 2.kind regards David
This is how to present a case. Clear measured diction. Plenty of illustrations accompanying the text. Anticipating questions the viewer may have. Not being dogmatic. Setting out both sides of the argument and letting the viewer decide. A masterclass.😀😀😀
Thanks Colin, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Watch part 2 if you have the time. Even more interesting. regards David
@@davidshakespeare1767 Have done so of course. Worried that you may be using a pseudonym. 😀
I very much enjoyed this. Thank you.
Many thanks Maurice, Please have look at part 2 if you haven't done so already. Regards David
Beautiful. I read a novel long ago which figured Nonsuch or the ruins of it and stoked my imagination. I highly recommend it to those who like historical novels- "Green Darkness". I may have to reread it now.
That obelisk from the gardens looks almost exactly like the pillars in the 1640 frontispiece of the first English edition of Bacon's "The Advancement of learning".
David, l enjoyed that very much.
Many thanks.
Subbed. 😊
I am looking forward to part two! Your maternity Liz video was very interesting as I have not been able to step away from my belief that Essex was her son by Dudley which explains his 'entitled' behaviour to me anyway. Thank you for these.
I doubt very seriously she would have cut her own son’s head off. Especially if he was Dudley’s son!
@@mangot589 good point!
De Vere's (Shakespeare's) son maybe?
Bacon's brother 🤫
Fascinating…
John Lumley's second wife was Elizabeth Darcy, daughter of John Darcy Baron of Chiche and his wife Frances nee Rich. They married in 1582. John Lumley died in 1609, his widow in 1617, but they were childless. They must have had apartments at Nonsuch or a house very close by, but Lumley of course had many properties. They included a house on Tower Hill which Arundell had given to him while his first wife was alive. Lumley left the Tower Hill property to his second wife Elizabeth. Her brother, Thomas Darcy, later Earl Rivers, had four children. Elizabeth Lumley's will left the Tower Hill house to her niece Elizabeth nee Darcy ( or rather her husband Sir Thomas Savage, later Viscount Savage). Savage was one of the will's executors, and the Savages appear to have visited the Lumleys at Nonsuch. This has always suggested to me that Elizabeth Darcy was a favoured niece of the childless couple. I have absolutely no evidence whatsoever, but I have a picture in my mind of a young Elizabeth Darcy, and her siblings, visiting their aunt and uncle at Nonsuch when the court wasn't there, and sneaking into the state rooms to play hide and seek ... all that lovely empty space to run around in on a wet day ...
Was there a reason Barbara couldn’t sell the palace intact and it’s lands to a wealthy noble, international royal or another country, to pay off her debt? Was the palace in shambles when all this occurred and worth so little as a whole? The building costs and lands had to be worth vastly more than the $100K she raised by demolishing it. Was Barbara afflicted with mental instability or possibly did this out of spite, what happened to her remaining debt, was she put in debtors prison for not paying it in total? Seems odd and or stupid to part out, “a palace”, like a junk car, we’re things so different back then on property values? Was she initially awarded the palace without any or much supporting lands, that maybe a reason she couldn’t think of any other way, as lands would have been needed, (by her or a prospective purchaser), to raise livestock and agriculture to generate funds for the palaces operational upkeep. The town was a market town, as stated, high traffic and economically stable, seems common sense selling it as a whole to a domestic or international entity for a luxury hotel, even a college, hospital, attraction even a market.
Very interesting. Thank you.
Thank you. I have often heard of the Palace in history. It is nice to see what it looked like and learn why it disapeared .
Did Henry just evict the land owners, or were there compensation laws even he had to follow?
HI there, Yes he kicked them out, although they were given some land elsewhere. regards
David
Nonsuch Palace bequeathed a lovely park upon the people of south London.
Cheam would not be Cheam, without its 600 acre Nonsuch Park.
The Houses of the local school were Lumley, Tabor, and others.
(If you work out the cost by a worker’s salary then and now, the palace cost much more than £10 million.)
R
Awesome ASMR. Love your voice.
Hello Elizabeth, Thanks for your kind comment. It is such a pity Nonsuch was destroyed. It would have been a jewel . Regards David
Thank you for this
I can’t help being glad it hasn’t survived since Henry VIII didn’t care that many villagers were cleared from the village and he took down a church as well. What a vile man.
Hello Ann, What you say is true, but I can't help but be impressed by the skill of those involved in its construction. regards David
@@davidshakespeare1767 yes I agree the skill of the builders and gardeners is unsurpassed. Thanks for your reply.
Is there a reason there has not been a proper excavation of Nonsuch?
Hello Heath, Yes there was a big excavation of the palace about 40 years ago. There are vague plans to excavate the Grove of Diana but the issue I understand is cost. Interesting thought though. I will ask the question. Regards David
I remain somewhat sceptical about this place ever actually existing, rather than it being a figment of the chronicler involved. The name is a giveaway for the doubters!
Too bad it still isnt.around...
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It’s a shame it was demolished over debts. 😔
It is so hard to reconcile this with what was happening during the reigns of Henry 8th and his children. It seems so unthreatening and domestic.
buddy
your voice is so soft, like a woman.
and monotone, as to put anyone to sleep
you need to try again and redo this entire video