@@randomyoutuber2633 One could say the exact same thing for Undertale though. Undertale is still known as one of the best games ever made by a lot of people despite the terrible Fandom.
@@randomyoutuber2633 I'm talking about your Lion King. People rarely hate the Lion King despite it being like... The most popular Disney movie ever aside from Frozen.
I don't think people quite understand how panicking in unfamiliar situations works... she abandoned the only person nice because she LITERALLY could not help it.
That post calling Pomni a bad person for "abandoning Ragatha" even though Ragatha literally told her to find Caine to help her made me go as insane as Kinger.
also... she met her literally 5 minutes ago, she has zero attachment towards them soooo survival instincts would tell everyone to GTFO in the face of danger
I feel so bad for Gooseworx. Shes wanted to do a show like this for ages and it ends up with her having to rangle deranged people on one hand, and getting viciously spat on by an crowd of people with no emotional regulation. What a nightmare.
And it's so interesting how people hate on indie productions with so much effort but are silent when it comes to big companies. Indie creators are much easier to reach on the internet, so I guess that makes an easy target for people with no lives or aspirations. Kinda reminds me of people back in the tumblr days who would trash talk story board artists (who had public tumblr accounts) and go on little hate crusades. Then they would get sad because no one would hire them for storyboard jobs (Gee I wonder why.)
@@sillycookieexactly! People should just enjoy the fandom with all these ships I don't think it'll continue and will just have a bad name with it honestly...
704, how are ya stealing comments??? It's not here, mate. You can't touch it. It isn't protected by international intellectual ownership laws or whatsnot. Shit up lad.
Hollywood isn't providing the goods. Writing has become lazy and preachy while directors and producers refuse to accept any responsibility for their failures, instead choosing to bare their fangs at the audience when their corporatized product is rejected. Digital Circus's popularity proves folks don't want preachy sermons, just something fun they can tune into.
Considering Glitch Studios already had a quite successful animated series - "Murder Drones", anticipations and announcements for TADC has been made across the time. The fan base is already huge, so the traction is fast enough to be pushed into general TH-cam algorithm for public audience to see.
“People trying to pass of Jax as a poor attempt at a Tumblr Declan when Caine is right there.” He’s right. I’m sorry but he’s absolutely right. Caine qualifies for the Timblr sexy man post
Exactly, loud minorities are everywhere and are often the loudest voices since drama and quick controversies spread much faster than reasonable thoughts and statements. We live in a world of sensationalism, where truth and reason is thrown straight out the window in favour of what causes the craziest reaction. Though my own comment here might be a bit much when the discussion is about a cartoon where people get isekai'd into an early 2000's PC game.
Definitely. It actually serves to make her character more realistic. Who WOULD know how to fight that thing off? Watching her come back due to her own guilty conscience was a nice scene overall
@@LowassLuck “lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure” I would say that she was very concerned about her, and worried for her, she just quite literally didn’t have anything else to do. Any “help” would have been futile, and most likely would have gotten herself hurt as well. Her action wasn’t out of selfishness but self preservation.
I actually loved that Pomni ditched Ragatha in fear. It makes her seem human, and I know damn well if any of us woke up in a digital circus and were instantly chased by some glitch monster who instantly K.Oed one of people meant to tour, I wouldn’t even turn back my cheeks would be clapping from how fast I’m leaving Ragatha💀 it could also be used as a plot tension between the two, Hating a char for having weakness is honestly so damn stupid😭
main character: has no flaws and is really awesome fandom: *hates it* main character: has reasonable flaws that would make sense in real life situations fandom: *hates it even more?* pomni had a very very reasonable response to the situation she was put in. i mean, imagine putting on a headset and going into a world with NO ESCAPE? and the crazy things that happened on her first day there was and is going to be incredibly confusing for a newcomer there. she left ragatha after she realized it would harm her to try and help more, and went to ask for help from someone who CAN actually do something about it. it doesnt make her weak or anything, people just really hate women (most of the time 😂).
@@klbbief*ck do anything and the fandom will always, always, ALWAYS hate it. it's all hate, hate, hate, just give up. besides, wait a while and oh so suddenly they like the show. f*ckin ***hol*s
@@klbbie so real, ive seen so many people criticising pomni by saying she has no personality on making the show look exciting to her, since shes the main character. and also judged her for panicking so suddenly when she teleported there. like HELLO?? shes a human?? she probably was sent there in the most unnatural way a game can do and have every rights to panic over it. and she was confused and slowly getting crazy by the digital circus like how a HUMAN would. people just act like they want and know how to make the character human but not human, flawless but also flawed and have a perfect and no so perfect main character personality. this show is already making her make so much sense and people still have the audacity to criticise the way pomni acts 💀💀
@@loafeebuttery The main problem is that characterization is still important. There were numerous other ways to give more personality and character to Pomni while retaining the somewhat more logical actions she performs during the pilot, the fact that didn't happen is a travesty. To the degree where near the end of the pilot I had zero investment in pomni at all, her scenes became boring and tiring all revolving around that existential element, which while logical is overbearing to the point where it already became predictable and stale. I ended up caring more about the side characters and their adventures. I don't think the issue was with her actions in the pilot, those are fine but more how they are shown and what was given focus. There was no need to have close shots every single time pomni would return from any of her events to show a kubric stare, her declining sanity and stress was already clearly established and lead to the stale and predictable feeling I had with her scenes. Sadly this has just lead to a result where the main character of a pilot is by far the least developed and someone who I cannot engage with in any meaningful way. She may be human, but what else? In general the show is a 7/10, it's good but I just think it misses out on some key elements that made the pilot end on a more unsatisfying note rather than one of anticipation.
Speaking as Caine’s voice actor, when dealing with any fandom it’s also just possible to… like, ignore certain parts of it? So far I’ve just kind of been checking out the fanart; I find it’s usually a choice to engage in drama and the “cringier” parts of fandom, unless of course there’s actual danger to a person’s life. That’s all to say, I agree 100% that the “fandom problem” really isn’t that big a deal. After a while you start to see the same types of bad actors in every fandom and you just learn how to avoid them. And yeah - it’s perfectly alright to feel however you do about TADC, like it or not… just don’t harass anyone over it.
remember kids: enjoying things is cringe, don't enjoy anything. the only thing that is socially-accepted in this society is tearing people limb from limb for the capital sin of enjoying things.
@@RandomPerson-zi7cwI’m cringe And that’s based I’ll never be based and that’s not cringe The only person I’d rather be Is me *falls in volcano and f%cking dies*
I watched the pilot, didn’t really laugh at too much of the jokes but what I will say is that the pilot at least grabbed my curiosity, a show really hasn’t been able to do that for a while, I actually want to see how this stuff plays out and learn more about the world.
Same kinda I didn't laugh but still loved it and the story is also super captivating like I keep going back to the channel to look if more relased even though I know it hasn't dropped another episode
The only time I genuinely laughed was the “YOU PARASITE!” bit, however that alone hooked me enough to want to want more. I love the mystery, the characters, and i’m super excited to see more of what TADC has despite the limited locations
@@Cupidzn The one part that made me chuckle was when the chess piece guy grabbed the head of the triangle person (I’m terrible with names lol) and they just stuck to the head and kept moving away from him. I thought that was pretty funny because I wasn’t expecting it.
@@PrettyFrickinCoolGuy yes, kinger is the funniest character, the bit that made me laugh was the bunny going "They’re the two most mentally stable and capable characters to be paired together” while he started lagging out lol
I remember it being that way like 10 years ago when Steven universe was released. First couple of episodes, I didn't see anything too weird. Season one ended, and then the stuff people were posting online about it was WILD. I haven't interacted with fan spaces since then.
Same. Getting into a fandom could bring such toxic problems (and yeah that's not fun when a random decides to bring the bad stuff and yeet it on a social media to only spread more the toxicity)
It's almost like the artstyle and writing appeals to the same kinds of media "fans" that make it insufferable to try to talk about Murder Drones, Hazbin Hotel, FNF, Omori, and many other things AKA immature terminally-online manchildren... and also straight up children that shouldn't have internet access at their age. Heeheehoohoo.
I don't get that, honestly. Caine's design's incredible, but how desperate does one have to be to find a guy with a giant pair of dentures for a head with two disembodied eyeballs floating in the mouth sexy?
@@LuznoLindo Sex appeal is in more than physicality, its a personality trait too. He would be walking in a well trodden path with the "XD SO RANDOM" Tumblr sexyman trope.
Toxic fans and anti-fans are inevitable, especially on the Internet. It's only happening this fast because of the accessibility of the discourse and the show itself.
I've never liked the show from the start. There are only *_2_* groups of people for shows, and or everything. Fan's. and critics. There are no "sub-groups" Those are the only ones that exist. Nothing else does. You may have different people in those groups but null and void any "sub-group" There is no such thing as "hatedoms" or "anti-fans" that's what you call *_Obsessing over a terrible show"_*
@@E.V.A.N-COProductions you can be apathetic for something, or just mildly enjoy it. If there is anything, it's a binary between enjoyment and not, because not everyone is equally committed
@@E.V.A.N-COProductions Hm idk about that. There’s a difference between criticism and genuine hate. Calling someone who has an irrational hatred for something a critic feels very incorrect imo. Although people tend to over exaggerate their opinions on the internet (whether as performance, or to piss people off, or to relay their genuine view, idk) so I definitely wouldn’t say everyone who claims to hate certain fandoms really HATES them, but my point still stands. There’s a difference.
It's honestly insane that in a few days, this show pretty much has every aspect of what you'd expect in a fanbase. - Normal admirers - Haters - Admirers that admire a little too much And it's only *one* episode. We still got a whole *season* to cover. Gotta say, SMG4 and his crew be poppin recently.
I don't even take fandoms into consideration when talking about anything big on the internet, shit's bound to have batshit crazy people and dumb kids in it, haven't ever seen a good fandom like that
Yeah, I'm just worried the show was specifically made to garner a large fandom in order to sell merch. I like it and have nothing against the fandom (hell, I bought the Caine pin lol), but the whole thing just feels kind of inauthentic, especially since the merch was advertised so fast, almost like it was planned to garner a huge following. I mean it does have a lot of similarities to indie properties that blew up in a similar way and covers a lot of tropes that's popular among the average TikTok or Tumblr user. It feels like it's hitting a bunch of checkboxes and I'm worried they'll sacrifice artistic integrity for the sake of pushing sales/sticking to the formula. We can only wait and see I guess
@@tomewifecollector9608it’s because the pilot SPECIFICALLY was of structured to gain a following, JUST like murder drones. Shows off the story, characters, and world in a very endearing way that made people run up to it and just beam (and I say this as a person who is OBSESSED with it currently). In order to jump start a show, there HAS to be support for it. Remember, glitch productions, although indie, CAN’T make shows without money, just as any brand does. The point of a pilot is to have it all laid out to SEE if people will watch, and considering it’s Glitch’s most popular video right now, almost at A HUNDRED MILLION VIEWS, you can tell people are pretty fuckin’ interested. It’s no doubt that merch coming out almost immediately is rather inauthentic, but that’s because this stuff is PLANNED. The only reason why Glitch is able to be Glitch at all is because they’ve got mastermind marketers and writers who are capable of making stuff like this happen. Also, the trailer came out about a month before the episode actually came which led people to go bonkers, so they probably prepared all that stuff after people lost their minds from the trailer. (Also, the teaser from about a year ago, that too).
@@tomewifecollector9608They're an indie production.. They're going to need money to actually continue the series. Corporate as it looks it's clear Gooseworx feels passionate about this project.
That's the way to do it. I haven't found a single fandom/subculture/whatever that isn't just brimming with toxicity at this point. People are insane about the things they like at this point, it's so sad.
I enjoyed TADC and the first thought I had once the credits rolled was “oh boy the fandom for this is going to be annoying as hell” Gonna be tough to avoid that stuff entirely with how the algorithms work but it really is the only way to enjoy stuff like this these days
It does, but to be fair, Gooseworx and Glitch as a team already had fandoms of their own for years, who then came together when this project came to pass. I for one had been a fan of both for a long-time, so I didn't even realize Digital Circus had gotten this much appeal until my rewatch. XD
@@twaggytheatricks4960 me, people that I know, and people that I don't know, can confidently admit that we have never heard of glitch, nor Gooseworx before the existence of TADC, it really blew them up tbh
It is an interesting, quirky world, with lots of mysteries, suspense and different characters. Not only that, but theres only a pilot, meaning that there wont be any new content anytime soon, which compels people to create and make headcanons for the world (aka people naming purple guy vincent and making... art of him back when fnaf 1 and 2 got popular) as a way of providing new content. Not only that, but the horror atmosphere is pretty well done. We feel unsettled because, despite being in a wacky world, the characters are anything but. They seem grounded, since they're real humans, and this world is "digital" and "fake", which only helps to unsettle the viewer.
*They're like:* "Clearly this character was made for the perverse sexual gratification of a divergent group of degenerate individuals!" *And it's like:* "It's a bubble with shark teeth; are you okay?"
yea like, it's something pretty confusing when they try to use the argument of ''oh but there's a lot of NSFW content from it, so it was made with this idea in mind'' it's like, brother there's porn of everything and anything on the internet, there's a video of someone fucking a animated sentient bread, a loaf. of.fucking.bread nothing is safe, and trying to use this to justify a ''they were made with this purpose'' just comes off weird and creepy AF
i think its important to remember that not every person in a fandom is like that, i find it kind of annoying that the good fans get labeled "toxic" for stuff they had nothing to do with.
It’s hilarious that people on social media will tell others to support indie animation outside of mainstream, but the moment one becomes extremely successful, it’s suddenly treated as the worst thing ever. Typical twitter.
I'm not sure if this is a thing with the fans but I know in the video game industry indie devs look away from other indie devs who become real successful while still being looked down by AAA companies
Most normal people I've seen liked the pilot or thought it was unique and charming in its own way even if they didn't like it personally much, but they can also recognize that the fanbase of it just straight up speedran becoming obnoxious and insufferable faster than ever. There's a reason "le bad fandom" is a ""trend"" for indie animations like these. It HAS basis in reality.
It’s literally one episode. We don’t know if the show is good yet , but I liked the episode and I think it set up what it needed to . Also I found it hilarious that people were complaining about the fandom days after the pilot released . Like the fandom hasn’t had time to anchor itself into existence yet and people were already preemptively whining about it.
I totally agree, the other thing I found funny was that people already had completely formed opinions about every character (especially Jax) despite it being the first episode as if the show and characters are completely solid and cannot change lol
Every time I see a fandom like this I just remember the "the fact that i'm at risk of seeing a 14 year old's opinion at any point during my day is a human rights violation" it is so, so right
@Anonymous-bk9xy *"I'll take your entire stock!"* But no seriously, I love this quote so much because of how just true it is. Especially being in many fandoms and really feeling this quote🤦
Good way to survive. Just look at something to your own accord and pay no mind to other people. Focusing on the thing rather than the s*** surrounding it is helpful.
I was afraid this was going to happen. I'm glad Goose is professional of this and call this out and trying to calm them down and not causing the fandom to go further in toxic behavior because this is becoming a recurring huge problem in indie animation that made it into mainstream.
It's a huge problem, yes. It's one of the main things that cause most indie products to devolve before they ever really get off the ground. Just look at FNF; that fandom is a monster, guy. A fucking MONSTER.
@@LuznoLindo It's why sometimes your project needs to be independent, but if you're work is going to be on mainstream, you need to make sure to keep the fandom and call them out so they can sit down and shut up.
@@joesama8818the fandom should at least make the ships with their peers or ships we know that are Canon in the show , this is like the ships in Fnaf at this point-
TLDR: Its easier to spread negativity then positivity and when positivity pops up people will try to tear it down because its trying to be positive. Crabs in a damn bucket
@@chupacabra2311 Apparently if you put some crabs in a bucket, they'll try to get in the way of those that try to leave, sort of the inverse of a gated community sort of situation
This is the problem with the internet in general. If something gets popular, it gets an insane amount of hate. This is the Undertale effect again. *"Popular =/= Bad"*
Well I wish FNAF sun got more hate but Nooo moon just has to be the convenient scapegoat Also I wish they would just go and try to see them rationally for ounce like suns not baby moons not the "" sexy worst one"" the ruin DLC got rid of the moon bad assumption but what about suns it reinforced his. The sun and moon fandom actually needed sun being evil the most cause sun is only liked at moons expense and that's just wrong.
This show is clealry overrated tho. Literally MLP G5 has better 3D animation and better story but it's a dead fandom, i will never understand the popularity of this show other than 10 year olds impressed with edgy existensial mental problems
@@june-cz1cw Wth are you saying? First off, this is not a security breach argument. Second, noone (and by that I mean not a significant amount of people) hates moon and likes sun just because "sun good moon bad", either they dislike him for actual reasons or they like both of them
As a mature, adult fan of Indie Animation I found TADC to be one of the more competent pilots I’ve seen. It moved at a good pace, had incredibly solid voice talent, animation, and music, and had an interesting if not overly complex plot and theme. The fact that people are so up in arms about something so…fine, is just strange to me.
People want it to be bad fr. They see that it has a Tumblr aesthetic and they say "omg I bet it has a toxic fandom" and then comb through twitter to find the worst people and platform them
As another mature adult, I'd say there's a lot of potential in this show. But the jokes didn't really land, the writing is lacking in that they tell and don't SHOW us, not really leaving much to imagination. It has the animation going for it but that's about it. The show feels awkwardly paced, too many awkward silences, and if I took a shot every time Pomni makes this face 😳🤯😱 I'd be dead before halfway through. I don't feel any attachment to the characters, especially not Pomni since she seems very two dimensional despite being animated in 3D, and her voice actress tries way too hard. I don't feel the sense of insanity along with her since it's only been two hours of her being in there and she's already like
It's incredibly frustrating for me when most of the hate is poured out on independent productions when large productions with huge budgets are drastically worse.
Personally i just dont like it bc the textures are ugly to me. Nothing to do with the show itself, I just hate how the characters look. I prefer 2D animation. Got nothing to do with popularity.
Personally I like that Pomni has “flaws” in her character design which makes her the more HUMAN (kinda ironic if u have heard some of those theories of being a duplicate or part of a program or whatever to get a good final result or what not idk how to explain it) and it gives the character more room to grow and less of the stereotypically perfect protagonist with an amazing heart, stupidly brave and self sacrificial for no reason persona and just makes pomni just more of a literally normal person before getting in that situation
As long as you keep personal information of were you live safe and hidden, the online harassment is best dealt with being ignored. The more you interact and show emotion fuels them more, they're like internet demons haha. But really make sure to never take any of those insults to heart, cause if you do you're letting them win.
I thought this pilot was great, mainly because it gave us the general stuff to know, but not spoil the entire show, AND STILL MADE SOME OF US QUESTION THINGS. This was Pomni’s FIRST day so that’s why they didn’t add that many horror elements because they were too busy showing you the main plot and stuff, yet still leaving some questions for later episodes. In 2-3 more episodes, they will probably start actually getting onto some of the lore after they show us the aftermath of the pilot pretty much.
honestly as someone who's in a lot of "toxic" fandoms, i've just come to accept that every fandom has its bad apples, those bad apples just tend to be a really loud minority
I like how in the Rick & Morty fandom right now the most toxic fans are rage quitting over voice actor Justin Roiland being fired for harassing his co-workers again and again. It's worth losing Justin to lose those people.
I see more people complain about the fandom than i have actually seen the fandom. In fact, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE FANDOM. It's honestly annoying people are complaining about a group that barely has an identity yet.
@@detectivemememachin5011Nah, I've been on TikTok, mostly edits, drawings, and people loving the characters, funny little memes on how Jax is hot or something, which the creator supports. and just random shitposts. Of course, I can't necessarily talk for the whole community, just the parts i'm in.
Don't get me started on ppl calling/thinking Pomni is a ""LITERAL CHILD" or child coded or whatever tf chronically online ppl call her bc she's SHORT?? THAT IS A WHOLE ASS ADULT..THE CREATOR EVEN PUT THEIR AGES ON TUMBLR BC MFS WOULDN'T STOP CRYING OVER IT.
It’s just a rule of law of the internet If it gets popular quickly it’s going to get hated quickly And the “le bad fandom” trope It is truly wild how quickly it got popular
@@gp-1542Looking at how fast it became popular plus that it is gonna take a long while for the first episode to arrive I bet that by the end of the year things are gonna calm down
When fandoms get very big, there is sub fandoms like the people who watch it for fun or the people in it for the lore. Some make their own versions. There are alot of people with different views of the show.
"You're honor. He is just a silly little man" Got me. Anyways I think people who dislike indie stuff like this is because they dont like seeing characters with REAL flaws.
I swear fandom newbies have no idea how BAD fandoms can actually get. Like I said it once and I’ll say it again; if people saw how fans reacted to finally being able to be in touch with other fans when the internet was first a thing-they’d be sent into a coma.
I still get flashbacks from my time in anime fandoms, just the mud slinging was insane. XO Hell, the last fandom I tried to interact with (Genshin Impact) I got called a homophobe and a lesbianphobe because I said I didn't like a character's kit because it didn't match my preferred playstyle, when I asked what maid said character a "lesbian" (it was Raiden if anyone is curious) I was just told she was "coded lesbian". No proof was offered, no statement from the devs saying that she is a lesbian, just "coded" that way. So yeah, I haven't been in the Genshin fandom since. I ain't got time for that nonsense. 😅
@@jk-galaxer1013 Yeah, I learned that real quick. It's such a shell shock, like I've done my time in the trenches of fandom and I thought I had been through the worst, but clearly I was wrong.
The fact Goose said they would literally make the show bad on purpose just for the sake of building a positive fandom. Says a lot about how certain fandoms are today. Goose is aware of this but the fact that they’d literally have to ruin something they worked so hard on just to try to send a message to their fandom to shut the fuck up and sit down is sad.
@@JakurtyKulgin Agreed. This show was great. Granted I thought some parts were cringe but that’s any given show sometimes. The show as a “hole” pun intended from Kinger. Is great. I love the aesthetic of it, it’s like a professional animation of an SMG4 episode. With one off jokes and memable content. But also with mysterious more sinister elements beneath the surface. It’s great.
I actually had no idea it was this bad. I was just happy the show was picking up and gaining so much traction because it makes me happy to see small creators making passion projects and being successful. I genuinely could care less what people think on twitter lol (the garten of banban tweet was too far though)
literally anything can be pointed out and used to say it's either bad or good. don't let these retards gaslight you into thinking that it's bad. The way it has its own element makes it good enough.
Yeah, I had no idea either. I don't go on Twitter all that much but I thought people liked it and that there would be some toxic people, some r34 people, and some who love it too much. but I always forget about Twitter and I'm just surprised how the hate is this big already.
@@mufinboi975 The only problem I've had with the fandom so far is how fast it's developing r34 and NSFW stuff😭 That's gonna happen in any fandom that gets this popular anyways though so can't really hate a fandom for doing fandom things. I was very relieved when I found out all of the characters were adults though otherwise that would've been a bit dodgy😭
I think a major reason this got so popular was because it’s clear the creators had a great time making it. The interactions between characters so far is mostly light hearted and playing off simple fun humor, the character designs are really unique and memorable, the imagination used to create the pilot’s situation. It’s clear there’s actual passion and love put into this project, yeah it would be better if characters did more than stand around and talk but this is just the pilot, a lot will probably be changed as the show evolves and the writers will most likely delve into darker storylines.
Honestly I liked how much these characters talked because even though you could argue it's exposition, that's what it's meant to be, you don't go into a show at the second episode not understanding who the characters are or their personalities in some respect. Some kind of standard needs to be set if you don't want the characters to feel empty What I *can* argue is near the beginning, it felt a little long winded but everything that came after felt fine for the most part
lol. Its popular because its pushed to little kids. 8 year old kids who are left on there iPads are the reason it’s this huge. Not saying adults don’t watch it but the answer is kids. It’s pushed towards kifs
@@Piecesboardit’s TH-cam not a dissertation. If it bugs you that much I’ll make sure to tell your mum to tickle the balls less while I’m typing on TH-cam. Are we square now or is there something else you’d like to cry about?
in my opinion amazing digital circus is good but every fan of it act like a murder drones fan (they change their pfp to the main character or one of the main characters) other than that its good i guess
It's weird, I feel like I've distanced myself from most of fandom culture by now, especially after steven universe. I've been doing my best to appreciate cartoons for what they are, offering my criticism, and sticking with what I like the most. And I love the amazing digital circus! It's right up my alley for silly cartoons with fun animation and an interesting enough premise. And although I do like to see fanart and memes, the part of fandom culture that I just can't stand are people taking everything so SERIOUSLY. Who are we kidding here? These fanbases often have kids who make it their whole personality for like a month and adults who are very bad at articulating their feelings about it. I just like cartoons, I like art, and I want to appreciate it. But no one can step back for a moment and acknowledge that it's JUST a piece of media, it's open to criticism and anyone is allowed to like it or love it. I swear to god sometimes I just feel like parts of the internet need to just calm down. Or touch grass or something idk.
This entire statement summarizes my personal experiences with, alongside my feelings and general outlook on fandom culture. After Steven Universe, which was my first experience with fandoms, had come to a close, I'd isolated myself from its fandom entirely, only interacting with a small percentage of it, and not a very friendly one at that, on occasion before moving on indefinitely. Lessons were learned, for sure, and I came out the other side better off because of it. I'm currently residing within the very friendly Lackadaisy fandom. They seem like a very motley crowd, but I've also found them quite mature. Even the younger members conduct themselves with respect. Bear in mind, however, these are my personal experiences on the official Discord server. I don't use Twitter/X, so I can't speak for that section. Regardless, I'm glad everything worked out in the end, and, like you, I'm content to simply enjoy art on its own, rather than valuing it purely based on public discourse/perception.
Honestly both of you summarized why I just watch shows and ignore being a part of any fanbase and going on any social media sites unless I really want to. It’s a shame too since I like a lot of these indie shows and games it’s just oh boy the fandom is it’s own breed I must say
Hit the nail right on the head with people taking this show WAY too seriously. The fact that people are legit arguing about "Jax having unhealthy coping mechanisms that harm those around him and the fact that he's in a bad situation isn't an excuse" is like... Save that for Bojack Horseman, this show is not that deep lmao
I’m so glad I don’t engage with online interpersonal culture. I found the pilot yesterday and immediately thought “hey this is something cool I can recommend to a couple of my friends” and then immediately moved on with my life, keeping it in the back of my mind. The people who decided to pivot towards making hating it a part of their personality don’t know how to have fun.
It's so inspiring how far Luke and Kevin have come since their early SMG4 days. And it's so great to see people so passionate about providing quality animated shows be met with such massive support and success. Their love for what they doo really shows, and I hope the pilot gets picked up.
@@Chillipeffer yeah he is the showrunner, but it is still produced by GLITCH prod. Luke and Kevin may not be the ones who came up with the idea but their team sure as hell produced it (with gooseworx being the lead animator ofc but GLITCH definitely helped immensely on it so they need some recognition as well)
@@Chillipeffer Correct me if I am wrong, but you both are right. Gooseworx made the story, and Kevin and Luke(co-founders of Glitch Productions) decided to make it into a pilot.
@@bekfstman9841Gooseworx is the creator, writer, and director (she doesnt do the animation, just direction for the animators and creating concept art). She also voices Bubble and other misc. voices. Kevin Temmer is the lead animator. Glitch Productions is the production studio producing the show. This is 100% an 'Um, achkshually 🤓' comment, but it's still important to give proper credit to the creatives behind the show.
As for why Glitch called this episode a pilot, it's because the show still isn't fully funded and they are going to fund it with the revenue from the video and the merch (mostly, I guess Glitch will fund a pretty good part of it seeing how popular the show got)
Pretty sad how that even needs to be explained since it was obvious that episode was just a demonstration of what the show's going to be like. It's like how the first episode of Hazbin will be completely different from the pilot besides a few keynotes.
I can't wait for the post-cringe phase for this show to happen in a year, where everyone will pretend like they've never hated it, and were fans from the beginning.
This is why I'm glad I do the best I can to be as genuine as possible because having a mentality where you deny your true feelings, or act like you never had those feelings, is a sad and exhausting mentality to have.
Yeah. Being in quite a few fandoms, I really realized there is a certain cycle to how fandoms behave. Something new is coming out -> It becomes incredibly popular -> Fandom becomes completely wild: toxicity and weird stuff ensue -> Popularity, as well as toxicity reaches its peak -> fandom gradually chills out (often because toxic people already hopped on the next big thing) and becomes relatively pleasant. It's really better to hop into the fandom sometime after its peak. Yeah, weird stuff still occasionally ensues, but it's not nearly as bad. As examples, I can give: Undertale Fandom or MLP fandom.
Tbh I think at this point the best strategy for the people behind TADC can use is to artificially create nonsense drama to speed through the fandom cycle and get to the point everything's chill again
Jax is totally going to be the sarcastic ""edgy"" troll character whom the Tumblr crowd is never going to shut up about despite being as original and funny as a washcloth isn't he
look i know it looks bad with my profile picture but you have to believe me when i say it happens to every single character in a popular fandom ever. sometimes one part of fandom is just louder than the rest. hell i've seen more fans of hinger among my friends and community than jax, directly contradicting the obvious. its a matter of looking in the right place
I swear he reminds me of a few characters I've seen before. Like down to his actual design, the personality, even the voice just screams "tumblr sexyman" but more niche, like Sans. (I can't believe I'm saying this)
I think he’s INTENDED to be a tumblr sexyman, however he’s been confirmed to become a fuckin horrible person as the show progresses, which will show how far Tumblr really is willing to go. I wish there was tumblr sexyman version for women that was just as popular though! Like Pomni would be a perfect candidate but Jax is the one getting all the love.
As someone who was hyped for the show for months before it came out I saw it coming from a mile away. I’m not surprised the show blew up AT ALL and honestly I love seeing all the fanarts and memes of it on the good side. Every fandom has a bad side after all
Yeah! Ever since the first tease I had a gut feeling this was gonna become one of the most popular indie pilots out there. Though even the popularity of this has been surprising to me. I would've expected the Amazing Digital Circus to land around the same number of views as Lackadaisy, which has around 11 million views right now, but this just went above and beyond at rocket speed! Heck its probably the most popular pilot on TH-cam right now that wasn't spearheaded Vivziepop.
5 stages if Twitter 1. Acknowledge the existence of the content 2. Make stupid posts to spread hate 3. Make stupid posts to spread hate 4. Make stupid posts to defend themselves 5. Realize their attempt is an absolute failure just like their bloodline.
Same thing here. I have some friends that gets really annoyed by any popular thing showed in their info field humongous ammount of time that they will get sick of it and will automaticaly start to avoid it, therefore ended up don't liking it because they have never given a chanse to experience a show or any other project without some dramatically diffrent takes about it showing of from another peoples perspectives before. I don't want to talk about this show with anyone because I looked it up in first two hours of plot being uploaded on youtube and now fandom creates certain expectations about the show for other people that are just not really want to deal with rich fandom, expectations, drammas, quality bargains and other stuff that really do not affect end up product at all. I can't say show is good or bad. It's decient because of it's animation and stuff, yeah it have some flaws as well but it's just a first "Plot". I got hooked up to Glitch with Murder Drones being really not funny, not well-animated but with interesting meta-commentary and worldbuilding and you know what? Last episoded got it all and now this is a really nice show to watch and get relaxed in it's own unique way. My thoughts about DC are the same. It's raw and will be medium-rare and then well-done soon. Person being traped in a digital dimention is interesting concept within an animated show with or without a "dark theme" behind it and I hope developers will work with characters and show itself - not only the fanbase behind it that will take it cool sooner or later.
Same, as someone who saw undertale blow up and has stuck with smg4 since the dudes channels literal birth. Seeing this blow up also got an "Uh oh" from me.
The specter of toxic fandoms and cringe culture have become so overwhelming that a show having a fandom at all online is enough to drive fear and paranoia in most, and I think that’s sad.
You hit it right on the nail. We have folded in so many layers of irony that to watch a show is the greatest crime and liking it is worse because then it becomes a fandom. And now people are living a self fulfilling profecy as fast as possible. They have to ruin the show as fast as possible, and they have to hate the show as fast as possible.
Well, there's that and bad faith actors looking to subvert it from the inside. Considering gaming and anime as of late and how those have completely went face-down into the ocean just in the span of ten years, I'd say between that and the things you mentioned, there's something to be said about that. Doing the minimum by keeping haters from attempting to subvert things for their own gain is to be expected. To me, that kind of gatekeeping is far from the "You aren't a fan unless you've consumed x number of things" strawman that people use to guilt others into being vulnerable.
This is exactly why I dont even bother joining fandoms anymore. I just watch what I like and follow some artists and Im all good. Dont need my braincells dying from fandom cancer.
Aye, that is how you need to do things now. Fandoms are cancer. Learned that when I was a preteen and getting into supernatural when it first aired. Holy shit that fandom was toxic.
Yeah, at this point I think I’m better off just enjoying any given piece of media by myself, maybe chatting about it with people I know irl who also like it. I’ve managed to avoid the real crazy fandoms but even so it never seems to end up as a net positive.
man it’s so silly how the gooseworx confirmed the ages of the characters and how they don’t have genitalia i hope nothing bad comes from said confirmation
Well she already know about internet even when trailer come there a lot of rule 34 are there now ep 1 now there more like even 800 more arts come out 💀
im kind of glad they confirmed the characters ages to be honest. when i first watched it i thought pomni was a minor so seeing the amount of 'interesting' art was upsetting. when i found out she was 25 i breathed a sigh of relief
I personally only just got into watching this pilot, knowing it's a pilot which automatically clicks to me as "rough draft", and so far... I was so impressed by how well it played out, enough to be rewatchable... More times than I'm willing to admit. (I may just rewatch it again because I just can't help it, lol.) It does a lot of things right from how it feels _to me_ as somebody who thinks in storyboards and design and though it's only a rough draft, it really nails a lot of things right off the bat. Does that mean it can't get any better? Ooohhh I hope that's NOT the case because I'm sure it can be better or at least have enough to engage me even if it doesn't blow me away. Latter point doesn't really matter when it mostly works. So when I hear about the fandom being somewhat of a trainwreck and then the way-too-loud-than-should-be-even-allowed "popular = bad" people start cropping up at an unusually disturbing rate (then again, I find it disturbing at all that this problem is suddenly skyrocketing so fast with a creator who's actually dead-set on trying to keep it together when they don't necessarily have to), I just... Feel indifferent to it, honestly. What they're all doing is obviously stupid and this is just... Normal at this point for a lot of indie stuff, much like you pointed out. Thing is, if we really enjoy something, then everyone else's opinion citing _their problems_ with it... Kinda just disappears off the radar. If there's something worth experiencing, let alone talking about, people will inevitably leave behind the idiocy where it stands and enjoy what they came for no matter how much time that takes to happen.
the fact that gooseworx said "if the fandom is bad, i'm gonna make the show bad" just goes to show she was likely expecting this lol. which sucks because it's a cool premise and i really really like all of the characters, can't hate a single one of them. edit: i am dense, she was joking lmfao. still the fact that she expected a bad fandom is making me giggle. (dont slander me too much, i only heard abt the "bad fandom = bad show" thing from a friend)
She don't need to ruin it over the Fandom there's still some people who want a decent show plus it will kind of make that stuff less enjoyable for the writer. Idk I just hope the Fandom don't have control over where her show will go
THANK YOU for pointing out it isn't necessarily supposed to be scary. Most of the time people like to try and say it's bad because it fails at being scary but it never really felt like it was trying to be. At it's core it's a comedy with dark themes.
indeed, I'm all for valid criticism as it helps products improve but saying the show that advertised itself as a dark comedy is bad because it isn't scary enough isn't very helpful
Also, everyone says that the amazing digital circus is supposed to be for adults, no one ever said it was for adults, glitch makes shows for teens, Which just shows Twitter's ability to look up things
The thing that I enjoy most about the digital circus is not participating or reading in any of the discourse and just enjoying the main work and its fan art. You have the option as a conscience individual to not engage mentally with drama xD
I genuinely wish people would send the hatred (not criticism, but purely unfounded hatred) of popular indie cartoons to major studios who are riding off of their name *cough* disney *cough* instead of creating original ideas. digital circus is visually stunning, and while the pilot leaves things to be desired, i think it could be great, and i just pray to god it doesnt crash and burn at the hands of internet discourse
One of the things that really gets to be when people talk about pilots is when they say “There’s no development to the characters at all!” Well no shit! It’s the pilot! The cast isn’t going to go through a ton of development in one 25-30 minute pilot! As a wittier this stuff really ticks me off. Projects will always have flaws, but so many people treat even the smallest flaws like their the worst thing ever (When a show like Big Mouth exists)
And also, the Pilot definitely sets up clear room for the characters to improve and gives you a good idea of their flaws; WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT A PILOT IS SUPPOSED TO DO HERE!
And the worst is that the opposite version is true. Just from the pilot, people will say the show is a true master piece when it has just began. The other day, I saw someone explaining how Gangle was an extremely good representation of depression and how often you would your sadness behind a happiness Mask. I don't say the thing about depression is wrong, (idk much about this sadly), however saying Gangle is a representation of that is clearly false when Gangle entire personnality in the pilot is "I am sad cuz my mask is broken". So, you have people you have people over reacting about the show having flaws in two ways possible. Either the show is absolute trash to them, or it's perfect and you're the one creating flaws according to them...
I’m just happy to see an actual Gooseworx production, just the quirky nature of her art style and music coming to fruition got me so excited! It’s a shame that some people are already trying to shoot it down just because it’s getting positive attention. I really just hope Gooseworx doesn’t get any serious clout because of this.
You have explained all of my concerns way better than I could I love shows and things like this but I hate when it’s popularity kills it and the creators feed into the parts that makes casual fans cringe like immediately merch dumping, hinting at stuff for tumblr fans to go nuts to and worst of all… nfts
Yeah, the immediate merch dump was a big red flag for me. I bought some merch since I want to support it, but I'm worried that the show might have been manufactured to specifically appeal the general indie demographic in order to garner a large following and in turn sell merch. It hits a lot of checkboxes that indie properties that blew up in a similar way have, and I'm worried the show will lean more into that and sacrifice artistic integrity for the sake of sales/sticking to the formula
@@tomewifecollector9608 yeah I was lucky enough to catch the pilot on day 2 but I was so worried for it when I looked up what’s the plan for it and got all the SUPER fans
@@pageclayton6850that’s fair, but if you’ve ever looked into game development that’s actually how 3D environments are rendered. I get where you’re coming from though
@@pageclayton6850I feel like that's kind of the point, the story even tells us that Caine makes little adventures and stuff for them, and he makes everything there, and it is a digital world which means it's in theory limited by like file size and stuff, so it makes sense that the world would kind of revolve around the characters in a way, it could also be making reference to like ... how in video games and stuff you only animate what the audience will see because the rest is just a waste of time and effort
Honestly Jax and Caine carried the pilot in my opinion. Caine's "I'm trying my best" energy is endearing and Jax's perfect balance of assholery and comedy has gotten the same reaction from everyone I've shown the pilot, that being "he's an ass, but I love him." Edit: a name
Nah fam, you can’t tell me that Kinger isn’t the goat. Look at his unhinged looking ass, his decency considering how long he’s been in the world and the potential lore around his queen. He is the goat.
I would say that while yes some are kind of over-hyping it and I personally had issues with it, it's also ONLY a pilot. And for a pilot I thought that while it was mostly just set-up, it did a decent job and set-up is kinda of the main point of a pilot. I'm waiting to see if the issues I have with it will get ironed out (like the pacing of the build up and the comedy being a little more prevalent for longer than it needed to be). Until then, I advise everyone to chill out before they start Ssniperwolfing each other.
I mean, everyone is so calm and not problematic, I think we need someone who can start some problems or extend ones, someone who will go Left when everyone goes right because he thinks it would be funny, jax is funny, a Chaotic bastard and kinda necessary And we like it
Idk what goes in the delicate heads of people who complain about shit like that, especially when it ends with "😭". Idk, maybe teletubbies is the right show for them.
“But.. I based my entire personality around hating things people like.. I-If I don’t call the new popular thing bad.. what am I going to do with my life..?”
@@ya_sunglasses7020 Glitch Productions (who is an independent (indie) studio run by 2 brothers and their passion for animation) is owned by the guys who made SMG4 (which started out as Super Mario 64 edits, then became a GMod shitposter, who then started Glitch), which is where the naked spaghetti-humping retard, mario, was born (in the SMG4 universe)
I fell out of helluva boss. Because of two reasons. 1. People stunned that demons are evil. 2. The vocal minority who are representation addicts. The ones who cling on a character solely because it exists.
I didn't fall out of it but I am like 'ugggh' when I see a new episode, because they constantly cry about their daddy issues, they have to sing in EVERY episode which gets taxing after a while, only the hetero couples get to actually hook up anymore, the characters only ever interact in the same pairs, and they completely abandoned their premise and proof of concept to be a character driven drama. Why tf would you let fans of a show determine if you watch the show? To a degree I understand not supporting a creator or actor you have moral qualms with, but imagine saying "weird person like show, show bad"
Honestly I only interact with the fandom on Tumblr, and it seems pretty chill over there. Although there is a weird amount of fanart that is just characters doing drugs for some reason.
Them hate the stupid fans and not the show thpse fans also are h0rny kids not normal fans they soon will find something else to obsess over and TADC will be fine
I don't get why indie animation is being abused by toxicity alot recently. I feel like BFDI is the only one that doesn't have much of that. (Update: Nvm. That show got abused as well.)
Kinda does, certain people in the helluva boss fanbase got all mad when their show lost to BFDI in the cartoon crave awards, and now some fans treat it like its the worst thing ever created, made by the secret lizard people, to control all humans, so that they can capture earth or some shit like that
i think it makes sense why she makes a bad first impression too, i wouldn't've suppose anyone else would be fluffy about being trapped in VR for eternity.
As someone who's been in fandom since she was 11 (9 years and counting) I'm always amazed at how sensitive fandom has gotten. Shit that we casually joked about less than a decade ago we now hate with a burning passion for seemingly no reason It's both really funny and really sad
Just rewatched Friendship is Witchcraft on TH-cam It's the perfect example of what I'm saying here They constantly joke about abusing and hating Spike, they hate Pinkie Pie for being a witch (full on calling her a slur and everything), when she's actually just a very traumatized pony, and they joke about drugs and murder in the dragon episode These things were ok back then, but if FiW came out today, I GUARANTEE the creators would be cancelled, not just on Twitter, but Internet-wide. FiW is still a good series tho, highly recommend
@@bonnietelocole6777 This might be an unpopular opinion but people who are so violently anti shipping/shippers weird me out. Like it's weird to ship 12 year old characters or teens but 90% of those shippers are the same age and will grow out of it, but there are people who shame others out of shipping in general. Like simping for a character is fine but not shipping 2 of them together? I personally see fictional characters as dolls, to be posed and used however, because they are writing tools and not real people.
@@SupHapCak Exactly! It's not that we condone these taboo topics either, it's just that we know from history that banning any topic in media will always be a slippery slope to banning ANYTHING that's deemed immoral, and sadly, many still include LGBT and POC folk in that. Banning topics is also a golden ticket to censorship and control that can only ever get out of hand and hurt innocent people. Antis are causing more harm than good, and a lot of the time aren't even realizing it. That's why tagging and warnings are such a big deal, everything else has failed us, so warning for things and hoping people won't get hurt is kinda the best we can do.
Never understood why people let bad eggs in a fandom ruin the show for them. Every indie thing that blows up seems to have the "worst fandom ever" title slapped onto it until the next thing
I don't get it, either. I mean, why torture yourself, dealing with strangers that're obviously crazy and have no tact (and would likely commit a plethora of crimes if they were able to get away with it, they're that unhinged), when you can simply enjoy the work among yourself and your circle of friends?
Let's not forget the fact that said fandom also gets the, "Toxic Fandom" Title as well and generalizes fans as "Toxic and annoying awful people" despite the fact there's been said Awful people getting away with things in the fandom
Gooseworx has said that if the Fandom gets out of Control she will make the Show bad on Purpose. Things like this need to be said more often Edit: Because most of the People replying to this Comment seem to have very bad Joke Literacy, Gooseworx was obviously joking when she said that
It would be a fucking damn shame if that were to happen. I really like the show, and these degenerates are ruining it for me. Well, I'm going to buy those plushies so I can still remember it's glory.
I’ve been waiting for a show like this for a really long time. I love clowncore/weirdcore. I love the combination of bright colours and jokes with slight horror like elements. I remember being hooked on the show the moment I saw Pomni fanart a couple months ago, but now seeing the intense hate for this show makes me really sad tbh.
Love Eddsworld. Hate that the fandom from 2016 gave it such a bad rep and destroyed so much for the show when it had both such wonderful people working on it and amazing fans that aren’t d*ckheads. It’s got such a warm feel to it and I just love it with all my heart. I am so proud and grateful Matt started it up again
As much as I love the Amazing Digital Circus, I will admit, it does make me relieved to hear that popularity isn't everything. Especially since I'm an artist myself, and sometimes I fear that when I do eventually make some kind of indie series of my own in the future, I worry that it might get overlooked and nobody ends up seeing it.
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This is just the Undertale effect. It grows so big people hate it due to how big it is, and they want to stop seeing it.
How come lion king is in a lot of the best animated movie of all time lists and is very popular
@staringcorgi6475 Because Lion King is a amazing movie that never gets old. It's peak.
@@randomyoutuber2633 One could say the exact same thing for Undertale though.
Undertale is still known as one of the best games ever made by a lot of people despite the terrible Fandom.
@@giantpinkcat I know, I'm saying people just hate on things if they get big enough.
@@randomyoutuber2633 I'm talking about your Lion King. People rarely hate the Lion King despite it being like... The most popular Disney movie ever aside from Frozen.
I don't think people quite understand how panicking in unfamiliar situations works... she abandoned the only person nice because she LITERALLY could not help it.
Ik! I would abandon someone I just met in another universe to since I'm SCARED
Not to mention that she was trying to find help while also hiding from a monster, then an exit door shows up... I don't blame her at all.
and she was literally told to GO FIND CAINE. as in, leave and go get him! was she supposed to just sit there and watch Ragatha glitch or sumn??
and ragatha told her to 😭
You're saying you would abandon someone who wa nice to you because you're scared and want to save your own skin? That's selfish.
That post calling Pomni a bad person for "abandoning Ragatha" even though Ragatha literally told her to find Caine to help her made me go as insane as Kinger.
also... she met her literally 5 minutes ago, she has zero attachment towards them soooo survival instincts would tell everyone to GTFO in the face of danger
People branding a whole entire character as a bad person for _one_ mistake they did really does reflect the state of online discourse tho
People will complain about Mary Sues and Characters that don´t have Flaws just to complain when a Character has Flaws
She didn't abandon Ragatha by running off. She abandoned her by stopping the search for the one person who can fix her in order to try and escape.
hell, even when Ragatha first started glitching she said she’d understand if Pomni didn’t want to
I feel so bad for Gooseworx. Shes wanted to do a show like this for ages and it ends up with her having to rangle deranged people on one hand, and getting viciously spat on by an crowd of people with no emotional regulation. What a nightmare.
And it's so interesting how people hate on indie productions with so much effort but are silent when it comes to big companies. Indie creators are much easier to reach on the internet, so I guess that makes an easy target for people with no lives or aspirations.
Kinda reminds me of people back in the tumblr days who would trash talk story board artists (who had public tumblr accounts) and go on little hate crusades. Then they would get sad because no one would hire them for storyboard jobs (Gee I wonder why.)
@@sillycookieexactly! People should just enjoy the fandom with all these ships I don't think it'll continue and will just have a bad name with it honestly...
@@sillycookie, these indie creators have to rely on the Internet when they release a show and that means they get insane backlash
This is why you never interact with the community
@@sillycookie) "big studios" get stepped on too.....
If it's justified is debateble.
Seeing a show gaining this much attention in such a short span of time, probably even more popular than some movies out there is just insane.
Stolen comment but ok haha
704, how are ya stealing comments??? It's not here, mate. You can't touch it. It isn't protected by international intellectual ownership laws or whatsnot. Shit up lad.
Well when Hollywood seems to have a self-mutilation fetish what with how often they shoot themselves in the foot what were you expecting?
Hollywood isn't providing the goods. Writing has become lazy and preachy while directors and producers refuse to accept any responsibility for their failures, instead choosing to bare their fangs at the audience when their corporatized product is rejected. Digital Circus's popularity proves folks don't want preachy sermons, just something fun they can tune into.
Considering Glitch Studios already had a quite successful animated series - "Murder Drones", anticipations and announcements for TADC has been made across the time.
The fan base is already huge, so the traction is fast enough to be pushed into general TH-cam algorithm for public audience to see.
“People trying to pass of Jax as a poor attempt at a Tumblr Declan when Caine is right there.” He’s right. I’m sorry but he’s absolutely right. Caine qualifies for the Timblr sexy man post
I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone ask what those teeth do yet
Did someone say my name?
@UTTPJimmydont care u arent doing mario on his underwear
@INQUISITOR-IS-BURNING-IN-HELLdont care sexy mario supremacy
@deathtomurderdrone man vs machine
A thing a lot of people forget is the idea of the “loud minority” which happens always. A lot of the time the “le bad fandom” is said loud minority
It’s sad and true. And I hate it :,) but I’m glad the rest of the fandom is not like that.
Exactly, loud minorities are everywhere and are often the loudest voices since drama and quick controversies spread much faster than reasonable thoughts and statements. We live in a world of sensationalism, where truth and reason is thrown straight out the window in favour of what causes the craziest reaction.
Though my own comment here might be a bit much when the discussion is about a cartoon where people get isekai'd into an early 2000's PC game.
A loud minority is a small fraction, doesn't mean you ears won't be in agony
the loud mob only appears once something gets too mainstream
@biraptor6205 exactly what I thought
Calling Pomni selfish for leaving ragatha to a monster she didn’t know how to fight doesn’t seem like good faith criticism LMAO
Definitely. It actually serves to make her character more realistic. Who WOULD know how to fight that thing off? Watching her come back due to her own guilty conscience was a nice scene overall
If anything, it sounds more like emotional abuse to me.
It is a selfish act it's also a very resonable act
@@LowassLuck “lacking consideration for others; concerned chiefly with one's own personal profit or pleasure” I would say that she was very concerned about her, and worried for her, she just quite literally didn’t have anything else to do. Any “help” would have been futile, and most likely would have gotten herself hurt as well. Her action wasn’t out of selfishness but self preservation.
@@galaxiegoddess Self-preservation is at least a little bit selfish. But it's not malicious, is the point they were making.
I actually loved that Pomni ditched Ragatha in fear. It makes her seem human, and I know damn well if any of us woke up in a digital circus and were instantly chased by some glitch monster who instantly K.Oed one of people meant to tour, I wouldn’t even turn back my cheeks would be clapping from how fast I’m leaving Ragatha💀
it could also be used as a plot tension between the two, Hating a char for having weakness is honestly so damn stupid😭
main character: has no flaws and is really awesome
fandom: *hates it*
main character: has reasonable flaws that would make sense in real life situations
fandom: *hates it even more?*
pomni had a very very reasonable response to the situation she was put in. i mean, imagine putting on a headset and going into a world with NO ESCAPE? and the crazy things that happened on her first day there was and is going to be incredibly confusing for a newcomer there.
she left ragatha after she realized it would harm her to try and help more, and went to ask for help from someone who CAN actually do something about it.
it doesnt make her weak or anything, people just really hate women (most of the time 😂).
@@klbbief*ck do anything and the fandom will always, always, ALWAYS hate it.
it's all hate, hate, hate, just give up.
besides, wait a while and oh so suddenly they like the show. f*ckin ***hol*s
@@klbbie so real, ive seen so many people criticising pomni by saying she has no personality on making the show look exciting to her, since shes the main character. and also judged her for panicking so suddenly when she teleported there.
like HELLO?? shes a human?? she probably was sent there in the most unnatural way a game can do and have every rights to panic over it. and she was confused and slowly getting crazy by the digital circus like how a HUMAN would. people just act like they want and know how to make the character human but not human, flawless but also flawed and have a perfect and no so perfect main character personality. this show is already making her make so much sense and people still have the audacity to criticise the way pomni acts 💀💀
Okay but the "my cheeks would be clapping from how fast I'm leaving" is such a mood and I wanna share this glorious sentence to a friend-
@@loafeebuttery The main problem is that characterization is still important. There were numerous other ways to give more personality and character to Pomni while retaining the somewhat more logical actions she performs during the pilot, the fact that didn't happen is a travesty. To the degree where near the end of the pilot I had zero investment in pomni at all, her scenes became boring and tiring all revolving around that existential element, which while logical is overbearing to the point where it already became predictable and stale. I ended up caring more about the side characters and their adventures. I don't think the issue was with her actions in the pilot, those are fine but more how they are shown and what was given focus. There was no need to have close shots every single time pomni would return from any of her events to show a kubric stare, her declining sanity and stress was already clearly established and lead to the stale and predictable feeling I had with her scenes. Sadly this has just lead to a result where the main character of a pilot is by far the least developed and someone who I cannot engage with in any meaningful way. She may be human, but what else?
In general the show is a 7/10, it's good but I just think it misses out on some key elements that made the pilot end on a more unsatisfying note rather than one of anticipation.
Speaking as Caine’s voice actor, when dealing with any fandom it’s also just possible to… like, ignore certain parts of it?
So far I’ve just kind of been checking out the fanart; I find it’s usually a choice to engage in drama and the “cringier” parts of fandom, unless of course there’s actual danger to a person’s life.
That’s all to say, I agree 100% that the “fandom problem” really isn’t that big a deal. After a while you start to see the same types of bad actors in every fandom and you just learn how to avoid them.
And yeah - it’s perfectly alright to feel however you do about TADC, like it or not… just don’t harass anyone over it.
I agree
Yeah... No fandom can be without people trying to cause trouble, all you need to do is just ignore this part of TADC fandom
@UTTPJimmy What animations?
you haven't even spent 5 minutes in blender, child@deathtomurderdrone
@@giantpinkcat it's a bot. There's like 3 of them spamming this comment section with that same sentence.
remember kids: enjoying things is cringe, don't enjoy anything. the only thing that is socially-accepted in this society is tearing people limb from limb for the capital sin of enjoying things.
Forget old people: Cringe is enjoying things, worship cringe as if it were God. Reject society, embrace the family of cringe TOGETHAH!
oh and also remember kids that you must argue about everything online otherwise youre also cringe
Nah.
I may be cringe, BUT THAT MAKES ME FREE
@@RandomPerson-zi7cwI’m cringe
And that’s based
I’ll never be based and that’s not cringe
The only person I’d rather be
Is me
*falls in volcano and f%cking dies*
I watched the pilot, didn’t really laugh at too much of the jokes but what I will say is that the pilot at least grabbed my curiosity, a show really hasn’t been able to do that for a while, I actually want to see how this stuff plays out and learn more about the world.
Same kinda I didn't laugh but still loved it and the story is also super captivating like I keep going back to the channel to look if more relased even though I know it hasn't dropped another episode
The only time I genuinely laughed was the “YOU PARASITE!” bit, however that alone hooked me enough to want to want more.
I love the mystery, the characters, and i’m super excited to see more of what TADC has despite the limited locations
honestly same i watched it and didnt laugh one bit but im not gonna go and tell me people the show is trash especially since its only the pilot
@@Cupidzn The one part that made me chuckle was when the chess piece guy grabbed the head of the triangle person (I’m terrible with names lol) and they just stuck to the head and kept moving away from him. I thought that was pretty funny because I wasn’t expecting it.
@@PrettyFrickinCoolGuy yes, kinger is the funniest character, the bit that made me laugh was the bunny going "They’re the two most mentally stable and capable characters to be paired together” while he started lagging out lol
ITS REALLY hard to enjoy being in a fandom nowadays, seriously. Anything new gets overload with toxicity and very annoying people quite fast
Yep. That's why I stick to fandoms who already have gone through that (FNaF for example) or small fandoms (Like JWA or The Battle Cats lol)
It’s the reason I hate things like AMONG US
Was a good concept, good even. But of course, the memes.
@@bred269its one of those games which seem good on paper but man does the community ruin it
I remember it being that way like 10 years ago when Steven universe was released. First couple of episodes, I didn't see anything too weird. Season one ended, and then the stuff people were posting online about it was WILD. I haven't interacted with fan spaces since then.
Everyone's an idiot I'm afraid.
Stuff like this is why I actively avoid fandoms and just enjoy what I want
Same. Getting into a fandom could bring such toxic problems (and yeah that's not fun when a random decides to bring the bad stuff and yeet it on a social media to only spread more the toxicity)
I think 90% of people eventually realize this as grow older and need to trim pointless activities from their lives
@@Tubeytime This is fair, and explains why I stopped caring about fandoms around the same time I started paying bills lol
These bots, man. wtf
@@_Cetarial seriously the one of the bots name is wild 💀
Crazy how this show spedrun the "New Popular Thing Gets an Obnoxious Fandom and Hatedom Cycle" in less than a week.
That's a world record my guy 😂
Nobody hates it, it's just a normal thing of "twitter people" for being retarded to every popular things.
It's funny because it's not even the creators fault.
It's almost like the artstyle and writing appeals to the same kinds of media "fans" that make it insufferable to try to talk about Murder Drones, Hazbin Hotel, FNF, Omori, and many other things
AKA immature terminally-online manchildren... and also straight up children that shouldn't have internet access at their age.
Heeheehoohoo.
@@b.w.s3165 the thing is tho is that its literally written nearly identically to the rest of gooseworx's catalog 😭
any online based fandom is doomed to have a fandom problem in one way or another
some are worse than others though...
yeah like alphabet lore their fanbase is the most toxic thing ive ever seen and also no one talked about their fanbase!
"Trying to pass off Jax as a poor attempt at creating a Tumblr Sexyman when Caine is right there." Finally! Someone gets it!
I don't get that, honestly. Caine's design's incredible, but how desperate does one have to be to find a guy with a giant pair of dentures for a head with two disembodied eyeballs floating in the mouth sexy?
@@LuznoLindo sans undertale
@@LuznoLindoThe unironic "okay, hear me out" people
@@LuznoLindo Sex appeal is in more than physicality, its a personality trait too. He would be walking in a well trodden path with the "XD SO RANDOM" Tumblr sexyman trope.
The fact that this is even a discussion makes me want to go back in time where the worst problem we had to deal with was
racism...
Toxic fans and anti-fans are inevitable, especially on the Internet. It's only happening this fast because of the accessibility of the discourse and the show itself.
I've never liked the show from the start. There are only *_2_* groups of people for shows, and or everything. Fan's. and critics. There are no "sub-groups" Those are the only ones that exist. Nothing else does. You may have different people in those groups but null and void any "sub-group" There is no such thing as "hatedoms" or "anti-fans" that's what you call *_Obsessing over a terrible show"_*
@@E.V.A.N-COProductions you can be apathetic for something, or just mildly enjoy it. If there is anything, it's a binary between enjoyment and not, because not everyone is equally committed
Agreed! I actually commented about this too but with a lot more curse words 💀
@@E.V.A.N-COProductions Hm idk about that. There’s a difference between criticism and genuine hate. Calling someone who has an irrational hatred for something a critic feels very incorrect imo. Although people tend to over exaggerate their opinions on the internet (whether as performance, or to piss people off, or to relay their genuine view, idk) so I definitely wouldn’t say everyone who claims to hate certain fandoms really HATES them, but my point still stands. There’s a difference.
@@E.V.A.N-COProductions
It's honestly insane that in a few days, this show pretty much has every aspect of what you'd expect in a fanbase.
- Normal admirers
- Haters
- Admirers that admire a little too much
And it's only *one* episode. We still got a whole *season* to cover.
Gotta say, SMG4 and his crew be poppin recently.
I still remember words from SunnyV2 which are "There is no fame without hate"
@@Ammarsafwan7That's a tremendous amount of quote.
Hater gotta hate
Human beings have lost their reason because of the last couple of years + the internet's convenience.
The third bullet point is me 😂
I don't even take fandoms into consideration when talking about anything big on the internet, shit's bound to have batshit crazy people and dumb kids in it, haven't ever seen a good fandom like that
Yeah, I'm just worried the show was specifically made to garner a large fandom in order to sell merch. I like it and have nothing against the fandom (hell, I bought the Caine pin lol), but the whole thing just feels kind of inauthentic, especially since the merch was advertised so fast, almost like it was planned to garner a huge following. I mean it does have a lot of similarities to indie properties that blew up in a similar way and covers a lot of tropes that's popular among the average TikTok or Tumblr user. It feels like it's hitting a bunch of checkboxes and I'm worried they'll sacrifice artistic integrity for the sake of pushing sales/sticking to the formula. We can only wait and see I guess
The only fandom I know that has some level of sanity is the tetris fandom.
@@Looona_fan No they're just so insane it loops back around again.
Tetris does that to you
@@tomewifecollector9608it’s because the pilot SPECIFICALLY was of structured to gain a following, JUST like murder drones. Shows off the story, characters, and world in a very endearing way that made people run up to it and just beam (and I say this as a person who is OBSESSED with it currently). In order to jump start a show, there HAS to be support for it. Remember, glitch productions, although indie, CAN’T make shows without money, just as any brand does. The point of a pilot is to have it all laid out to SEE if people will watch, and considering it’s Glitch’s most popular video right now, almost at A HUNDRED MILLION VIEWS, you can tell people are pretty fuckin’ interested.
It’s no doubt that merch coming out almost immediately is rather inauthentic, but that’s because this stuff is PLANNED. The only reason why Glitch is able to be Glitch at all is because they’ve got mastermind marketers and writers who are capable of making stuff like this happen.
Also, the trailer came out about a month before the episode actually came which led people to go bonkers, so they probably prepared all that stuff after people lost their minds from the trailer. (Also, the teaser from about a year ago, that too).
@@tomewifecollector9608They're an indie production.. They're going to need money to actually continue the series. Corporate as it looks it's clear Gooseworx feels passionate about this project.
Mad respect for Goose to at least call out the fanbase and try to make it better. Especially compared to other indie creators
Saying that will ruin the show if the fandom goes downhill is not so worth of respect, you wouldn't do that to a project you love
Yeah, unlike Vivzie- *gunshot*
I dunno man, taking shots, interacting with the fandom on any level? It feels like a very very slippery slope...
@@alleosussquirt8041Have u seen the Billie Bust Up official acc? They interact with their fandom a lot and I haven’t seen too many issues with that.
Bro said hed crash the show and these idiots STILL obsessed about it. So pathetic
At this point I just let myself enjoy things in my own corner and stay away from fandoms altogether.
that's the best approach
That's the way to do it. I haven't found a single fandom/subculture/whatever that isn't just brimming with toxicity at this point. People are insane about the things they like at this point, it's so sad.
Same
I enjoyed TADC and the first thought I had once the credits rolled was “oh boy the fandom for this is going to be annoying as hell”
Gonna be tough to avoid that stuff entirely with how the algorithms work but it really is the only way to enjoy stuff like this these days
fr
In all honesty, it feels like digital circus spawned a full-fletched fandom in no time
It does, but to be fair, Gooseworx and Glitch as a team already had fandoms of their own for years, who then came together when this project came to pass.
I for one had been a fan of both for a long-time, so I didn't even realize Digital Circus had gotten this much appeal until my rewatch. XD
@@twaggytheatricks4960 me, people that I know, and people that I don't know, can confidently admit that we have never heard of glitch, nor Gooseworx before the existence of TADC, it really blew them up tbh
It is an interesting, quirky world, with lots of mysteries, suspense and different characters. Not only that, but theres only a pilot, meaning that there wont be any new content anytime soon, which compels people to create and make headcanons for the world (aka people naming purple guy vincent and making... art of him back when fnaf 1 and 2 got popular) as a way of providing new content. Not only that, but the horror atmosphere is pretty well done. We feel unsettled because, despite being in a wacky world, the characters are anything but. They seem grounded, since they're real humans, and this world is "digital" and "fake", which only helps to unsettle the viewer.
I heard it already had a fandom, but the loud part appeared with this pilot
I just wanted to watch the show, not experience the wild fandom & chaos 💀
*They're like:* "Clearly this character was made for the perverse sexual gratification of a divergent group of degenerate individuals!"
*And it's like:* "It's a bubble with shark teeth; are you okay?"
yea like, it's something pretty confusing when they try to use the argument of ''oh but there's a lot of NSFW content from it, so it was made with this idea in mind''
it's like, brother there's porn of everything and anything on the internet, there's a video of someone fucking a animated sentient bread, a loaf. of.fucking.bread
nothing is safe, and trying to use this to justify a ''they were made with this purpose'' just comes off weird and creepy AF
Yeah, bubble is literally a translucent chain chomp without the chain.
@@OwO-nk1zv Plus, the main cast of TADC are all over the age of 20. Hell, Gooseworx even posted their canon ages.
Almost every single fandom acts so toxic when it comes to something terrible happening to them, just ridiculous!
@@glass153corrected that
i think its important to remember that not every person in a fandom is like that, i find it kind of annoying that the good fans get labeled "toxic" for stuff they had nothing to do with.
bro did NOT watch the video
Yeah, same thing has happened with hazbin hotel, Steven universe, undertale, and modern Star Wars
cough cough skibidi toilet haters
Conclusion: Twitter should be illegal in at least 90 countries
but there are 195 countries
@@dusk2308 at least 90 countries
Twitter should be illegal on at least 1 Earth
I really don’t get how losers like that exist honestly
Same with facebook
It’s hilarious that people on social media will tell others to support indie animation outside of mainstream, but the moment one becomes extremely successful, it’s suddenly treated as the worst thing ever. Typical twitter.
At this point twitter is probably at a point of no return.
@@thelore9749they have passed the point of no return a decade ago
@@jessekeetley7237more like about a year ago
I'm not sure if this is a thing with the fans but I know in the video game industry indie devs look away from other indie devs who become real successful while still being looked down by AAA companies
Most normal people I've seen liked the pilot or thought it was unique and charming in its own way even if they didn't like it personally much, but they can also recognize that the fanbase of it just straight up speedran becoming obnoxious and insufferable faster than ever.
There's a reason "le bad fandom" is a ""trend"" for indie animations like these. It HAS basis in reality.
It’s literally one episode. We don’t know if the show is good yet , but I liked the episode and I think it set up what it needed to . Also I found it hilarious that people were complaining about the fandom days after the pilot released . Like the fandom hasn’t had time to anchor itself into existence yet and people were already preemptively whining about it.
Pilot, you mean (srry)
I totally agree, the other thing I found funny was that people already had completely formed opinions about every character (especially Jax) despite it being the first episode as if the show and characters are completely solid and cannot change lol
Every time I see a fandom like this I just remember the "the fact that i'm at risk of seeing a 14 year old's opinion at any point during my day is a human rights violation" it is so, so right
𝙸 𝚠𝚊𝚗𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚜𝚝𝚒𝚝𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚍 𝚘𝚗𝚝𝚘 𝚊 𝚍𝚎𝚜𝚒𝚐𝚗𝚎𝚛 𝚙𝚒𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚠.
Tbf idc about your age. If you've got good reasons I'll listen.
Some 14 yo have really good takes and some 30 plus people act childish af
@@Anonymous-bk9xyGimme Gimme Gimme Gimme
@Anonymous-bk9xy *"I'll take your entire stock!"*
But no seriously, I love this quote so much because of how just true it is. Especially being in many fandoms and really feeling this quote🤦
How are you making your text like that
how to survive on the internet:
step 1: ignore people
Step two: live a healthy life and make good relationships :)
Step 3: Touch grass and live happily.
Fax
@@randomyoutuber2633 you failed on survival
Good way to survive. Just look at something to your own accord and pay no mind to other people. Focusing on the thing rather than the s*** surrounding it is helpful.
I was afraid this was going to happen. I'm glad Goose is professional of this and call this out and trying to calm them down and not causing the fandom to go further in toxic behavior because this is becoming a recurring huge problem in indie animation that made it into mainstream.
It's a huge problem, yes. It's one of the main things that cause most indie products to devolve before they ever really get off the ground. Just look at FNF; that fandom is a monster, guy. A fucking MONSTER.
@@LuznoLindo It's why sometimes your project needs to be independent, but if you're work is going to be on mainstream, you need to make sure to keep the fandom and call them out so they can sit down and shut up.
@@LuznoLindo hahaha, and FNF wasnt even that good. it's literally a minigame spruced up to look like an actual game.
@LuznoLindo If FNAF was bad, imagine the RWBY fandom, where people go as far as doxxing one another for preferring a different ship.
Lets just agree on one thing, dont hate the show, hate the fandom
And if you don’t like the show have a good reason for not liking it rather than fandom=bad
Finally someone said this!
that's literally one of the things you should avoid (hating the ENTIRE fandom)
@@joesama8818the fandom should at least make the ships with their peers or ships we know that are Canon in the show , this is like the ships in Fnaf at this point-
Yep
i really hope the fanbase will be tame after a while because Gooseworx is a very talented animator as well as her team who deserve a good community.
Same, she did nothing wrong. Also, the bots may be out of hand, but at least they make it obvious that they're bots.
My glitch are way better than animation
absolutely 4 comments we dont give a shit about was unrelated to this
@@Danfthspider verse moment
Oh, it will be. Only thing is that it'll be tame *_BECAUSE_* the lack of a fandom.
TLDR: Its easier to spread negativity then positivity and when positivity pops up people will try to tear it down because its trying to be positive.
Crabs in a damn bucket
What's that expression? Never heard it before
@@chupacabra2311 Apparently if you put some crabs in a bucket, they'll try to get in the way of those that try to leave, sort of the inverse of a gated community sort of situation
@@chupacabra2311crabs will pull other crabs down when put in a bucket together when they try to climb out
@@chupacabra2311its called crab mentality. When placed in a confined space, crabs usually stack upon eachother to get out but only one would get out
I want that bucket
This is the problem with the internet in general. If something gets popular, it gets an insane amount of hate. This is the Undertale effect again.
*"Popular =/= Bad"*
Well I wish FNAF sun got more hate but Nooo moon just has to be the convenient scapegoat
Also I wish they would just go and try to see them rationally for ounce like suns not baby moons not the "" sexy worst one"" the ruin DLC got rid of the moon bad assumption but what about suns it reinforced his. The sun and moon fandom actually needed sun being evil the most cause sun is only liked at moons expense and that's just wrong.
There's a reason why I try to stay away from popular stuff, not because I dislike popular stuff but I hate the hate for popular stuff
This show is clealry overrated tho. Literally MLP G5 has better 3D animation and better story but it's a dead fandom, i will never understand the popularity of this show other than 10 year olds impressed with edgy existensial mental problems
@@MrConredsX *Ironic.* You are part of the problem that Cartoonishi talked about in this video.
@@june-cz1cw Wth are you saying?
First off, this is not a security breach argument.
Second, noone (and by that I mean not a significant amount of people) hates moon and likes sun just because "sun good moon bad", either they dislike him for actual reasons or they like both of them
As a mature, adult fan of Indie Animation I found TADC to be one of the more competent pilots I’ve seen. It moved at a good pace, had incredibly solid voice talent, animation, and music, and had an interesting if not overly complex plot and theme. The fact that people are so up in arms about something so…fine, is just strange to me.
People want it to be bad fr. They see that it has a Tumblr aesthetic and they say "omg I bet it has a toxic fandom" and then comb through twitter to find the worst people and platform them
@@davidgjam7600 Ironically being more toxic than twitter.
From a writers perspective, it's written quite well. I'm interested to see where it'll go.
As another mature adult, I'd say there's a lot of potential in this show. But the jokes didn't really land, the writing is lacking in that they tell and don't SHOW us, not really leaving much to imagination. It has the animation going for it but that's about it. The show feels awkwardly paced, too many awkward silences, and if I took a shot every time Pomni makes this face 😳🤯😱 I'd be dead before halfway through. I don't feel any attachment to the characters, especially not Pomni since she seems very two dimensional despite being animated in 3D, and her voice actress tries way too hard. I don't feel the sense of insanity along with her since it's only been two hours of her being in there and she's already like
I like that is adult and (kinda) doesn't automatically mean swear a lot. Yes, there is a lot of swearing, but that's to establish you can't do it.
It's incredibly frustrating for me when most of the hate is poured out on independent productions when large productions with huge budgets are drastically worse.
it's been garbage in the mainstream too don't worry.
there hasn't been nearly enough hate against the mainstream.
Personally i just dont like it bc the textures are ugly to me. Nothing to do with the show itself, I just hate how the characters look. I prefer 2D animation. Got nothing to do with popularity.
@@IMakePeopleSaltyApparently thats alr
@@IMakePeopleSaltyApparently at least your reason for disliking it is actually an opinion.
@@gachamaldy6339 True xD everyone else is just "bunni mean" from what the video says so lmao
No matter if the fandom is new or old the same old story keeps on repeating itself like always, it just makes you want to go insane.🐱
Im bout to abstract
when I look at this cycle, I also consider going insane
Fr
It's literally just like the bendy and the ink machine loop
me too. It makes me wanna go insane as well. Please shut down fucking twitter 💀
Personally I like that Pomni has “flaws” in her character design which makes her the more HUMAN (kinda ironic if u have heard some of those theories of being a duplicate or part of a program or whatever to get a good final result or what not idk how to explain it) and it gives the character more room to grow and less of the stereotypically perfect protagonist with an amazing heart, stupidly brave and self sacrificial for no reason persona and just makes pomni just more of a literally normal person before getting in that situation
This show did kinda explode everywhere, I for one am impressed with how fast it became suddenly mainstream
I heard about it because my friend was just watching it next to me in class
The balls on your friend is impressive, tell him he is a true man/woman
@@Hypo101 tell him he is a true woman? 😭
probably because its made by the same people as murder drones which had possibly an even bigger explosion
@@ElementeningYou heard them.
Even the creator has confessed that the series are not going to be scary, and haters are still accusing it of trying to be "dark and mysterious"
What animations?
Oh hell nah they are here as well 💀
isnt it though?
Even if it was, that's not a bad thing. People will just find a reason to complain about anything.
Why tf are there bots here?
I'm actually scared to pursue voice acting because I see so many voice actors be harassed if their character is a jerk on purpose or just annoying
i thought your pfp was ralsei smoking a joint
do it bro, i believe in you
@@davebob4973lmao
@@davebob4973 nah it’s my own character being a bartender lol
As long as you keep personal information of were you live safe and hidden, the online harassment is best dealt with being ignored. The more you interact and show emotion fuels them more, they're like internet demons haha. But really make sure to never take any of those insults to heart, cause if you do you're letting them win.
I thought this pilot was great, mainly because it gave us the general stuff to know, but not spoil the entire show, AND STILL MADE SOME OF US QUESTION THINGS. This was Pomni’s FIRST day so that’s why they didn’t add that many horror elements because they were too busy showing you the main plot and stuff, yet still leaving some questions for later episodes. In 2-3 more episodes, they will probably start actually getting onto some of the lore after they show us the aftermath of the pilot pretty much.
I honestly dont care about anything that comes from twitter, its just people that say hurtful or outright wrong things to get attention.
Eeeeeeyep that’s right
Honestly yeah
and they think it's as normal as breathing like bruh there's more murder confession there than half of /b/ 4chan
Finally someone who isn't fucking stupid
“twitter” dont you mean “X”?? 😂😂💀🤦♂️
Jk i wont start this 💀
honestly as someone who's in a lot of "toxic" fandoms, i've just come to accept that every fandom has its bad apples, those bad apples just tend to be a really loud minority
Same.
I've seen them so many times that I might as well be Zooble and just not care about it and mind my own business.
Ironically the only place I've found for fandoms mostly devoid of toxicity is reddit at least when you go to the fandom specific subreddit.
Did you just make a bad apple reference? 🗿
I like how in the Rick & Morty fandom right now the most toxic fans are rage quitting over voice actor Justin Roiland being fired for harassing his co-workers again and again.
It's worth losing Justin to lose those people.
is that a touhou reference
I see more people complain about the fandom than i have actually seen the fandom. In fact, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE FANDOM. It's honestly annoying people are complaining about a group that barely has an identity yet.
Seriously, I search for it in Twitter and all I see is hate and not once did I see a Fandom.
Fr or maybe I'm not on twitter which is why I'm not seeing any of this but so far I haven't seen anything bad
Facts but I heard it's getting bad on Tiktok or something
@@detectivemememachin5011Nah, I've been on TikTok, mostly edits, drawings, and people loving the characters, funny little memes on how Jax is hot or something, which the creator supports. and just random shitposts. Of course, I can't necessarily talk for the whole community, just the parts i'm in.
@@detectivemememachin5011 could be, I have TikTok blocked on my devices and home network. Same with Twitter.
Don't get me started on ppl calling/thinking Pomni is a ""LITERAL CHILD" or child coded or whatever tf chronically online ppl call her bc she's SHORT?? THAT IS A WHOLE ASS ADULT..THE CREATOR EVEN PUT THEIR AGES ON TUMBLR BC MFS WOULDN'T STOP CRYING OVER IT.
In the second episode they quite literally made a joke about how pomni is an adult
@@hutbgurb "I'm not a child, Ragata, don't hype me up"
It’s just a rule of law of the internet
If it gets popular quickly it’s going to get hated quickly
And the “le bad fandom” trope
It is truly wild how quickly it got popular
Eventually tho the hype calms down and those people move on to the next thing
@@Agiven32 *hopefully quickly*
@@gp-1542Looking at how fast it became popular plus that it is gonna take a long while for the first episode to arrive I bet that by the end of the year things are gonna calm down
@@Agiven32HOPEFULLY IT DOES!
Pyrocynical viewer spotted
When fandoms get very big, there is sub fandoms like the people who watch it for fun or the people in it for the lore. Some make their own versions. There are alot of people with different views of the show.
@TherealBryceReaveleyShut up
@TherealBryceReaveley lmfaooo yea sure. at least you added something new to that bot classic comment
Those people are the fukn worse. I said it. That’s where shippers and fan fic mfs come from.
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HOW IS THERE SO MUCH DRAMA ALREADY-
If it's popular then people gonna hate...
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Fun fact : some ppl have already made rule 34 💀💀💀💀
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Well X
We allowed children to watch it
bcus twitter is filled with a bunch of low lifes that get off to starting drama over the smallest of things as that, simple as that
"You're honor. He is just a silly little man" Got me.
Anyways I think people who dislike indie stuff like this is because they dont like seeing characters with REAL flaws.
I swear fandom newbies have no idea how BAD fandoms can actually get. Like I said it once and I’ll say it again; if people saw how fans reacted to finally being able to be in touch with other fans when the internet was first a thing-they’d be sent into a coma.
i bet the lord of the rings flamewars were nuclear
I still get flashbacks from my time in anime fandoms, just the mud slinging was insane. XO
Hell, the last fandom I tried to interact with (Genshin Impact) I got called a homophobe and a lesbianphobe because I said I didn't like a character's kit because it didn't match my preferred playstyle, when I asked what maid said character a "lesbian" (it was Raiden if anyone is curious) I was just told she was "coded lesbian". No proof was offered, no statement from the devs saying that she is a lesbian, just "coded" that way.
So yeah, I haven't been in the Genshin fandom since. I ain't got time for that nonsense. 😅
@@BrightWulph those aren't fans LOL they are tourists.
@@BrightWulphits best to just avoid the GI fandom , its sucks so bad that i never communicate that much with them…
@@jk-galaxer1013 Yeah, I learned that real quick. It's such a shell shock, like I've done my time in the trenches of fandom and I thought I had been through the worst, but clearly I was wrong.
The fact Goose said they would literally make the show bad on purpose just for the sake of building a positive fandom. Says a lot about how certain fandoms are today. Goose is aware of this but the fact that they’d literally have to ruin something they worked so hard on just to try to send a message to their fandom to shut the fuck up and sit down is sad.
Not trying to be a jerk, but are you sure that tweet wasn’t mostly sarcasm?
I understand but i genuinely don't want this show being worse because of toxic dumbheads☹️
@@JakurtyKulgin Agreed. This show was great. Granted I thought some parts were cringe but that’s any given show sometimes. The show as a “hole” pun intended from Kinger. Is great. I love the aesthetic of it, it’s like a professional animation of an SMG4 episode. With one off jokes and memable content. But also with mysterious more sinister elements beneath the surface. It’s great.
@@AGFilms1296 pilot was cool start!
collective punishment is kind of cringe
I actually had no idea it was this bad. I was just happy the show was picking up and gaining so much traction because it makes me happy to see small creators making passion projects and being successful. I genuinely could care less what people think on twitter lol (the garten of banban tweet was too far though)
literally anything can be pointed out and used to say it's either bad or good. don't let these retards gaslight you into thinking that it's bad. The way it has its own element makes it good enough.
Why do you care so much about what people on twitter think
Yeah, I had no idea either. I don't go on Twitter all that much but I thought people liked it and that there would be some toxic people, some r34 people, and some who love it too much. but I always forget about Twitter and I'm just surprised how the hate is this big already.
Agreed. Nice profile pic, by the way!
@@mufinboi975 The only problem I've had with the fandom so far is how fast it's developing r34 and NSFW stuff😭
That's gonna happen in any fandom that gets this popular anyways though so can't really hate a fandom for doing fandom things. I was very relieved when I found out all of the characters were adults though otherwise that would've been a bit dodgy😭
I think a major reason this got so popular was because it’s clear the creators had a great time making it. The interactions between characters so far is mostly light hearted and playing off simple fun humor, the character designs are really unique and memorable, the imagination used to create the pilot’s situation.
It’s clear there’s actual passion and love put into this project, yeah it would be better if characters did more than stand around and talk but this is just the pilot, a lot will probably be changed as the show evolves and the writers will most likely delve into darker storylines.
Honestly I liked how much these characters talked because even though you could argue it's exposition, that's what it's meant to be, you don't go into a show at the second episode not understanding who the characters are or their personalities in some respect. Some kind of standard needs to be set if you don't want the characters to feel empty
What I *can* argue is near the beginning, it felt a little long winded but everything that came after felt fine for the most part
lol. Its popular because its pushed to little kids. 8 year old kids who are left on there iPads are the reason it’s this huge. Not saying adults don’t watch it but the answer is kids. It’s pushed towards kifs
@@rodolfoescobosa6462 dude learn how to spell wtf
@@Piecesboardit’s TH-cam not a dissertation. If it bugs you that much I’ll make sure to tell your mum to tickle the balls less while I’m typing on TH-cam. Are we square now or is there something else you’d like to cry about?
It really sucks how a fandom can ruin so much for others, especially in such a short amount of time!
Modern shows like this get ruined by a fandom ☠️
Kinda but it doesn't really suck that just how the Internet is,in my opinion
@@bluedragonstudios7085kinda a modern show can just get ruined by the people who work on it or by seasonal rot,in my opinion
@@ivoneo2806 fr
in my opinion amazing digital circus is good
but every fan of it act like a murder drones fan (they change their pfp to the main character or one of the main characters)
other than that its good i guess
This always happens when a quirky indie animation show for teens and young adults comes out
my animations are better than the bots in this reply section and I don't make fun of people's deaths
@@NebulaBubbles LMAO
The attention seeking bots in this comment 💀
The industry is starved for creativity so when something actually good comes out it causes a hurricane.
And yet they are more fun to watch than half on TV right now.
It's weird, I feel like I've distanced myself from most of fandom culture by now, especially after steven universe. I've been doing my best to appreciate cartoons for what they are, offering my criticism, and sticking with what I like the most. And I love the amazing digital circus! It's right up my alley for silly cartoons with fun animation and an interesting enough premise. And although I do like to see fanart and memes, the part of fandom culture that I just can't stand are people taking everything so SERIOUSLY. Who are we kidding here? These fanbases often have kids who make it their whole personality for like a month and adults who are very bad at articulating their feelings about it. I just like cartoons, I like art, and I want to appreciate it. But no one can step back for a moment and acknowledge that it's JUST a piece of media, it's open to criticism and anyone is allowed to like it or love it. I swear to god sometimes I just feel like parts of the internet need to just calm down. Or touch grass or something idk.
This entire statement summarizes my personal experiences with, alongside my feelings and general outlook on fandom culture. After Steven Universe, which was my first experience with fandoms, had come to a close, I'd isolated myself from its fandom entirely, only interacting with a small percentage of it, and not a very friendly one at that, on occasion before moving on indefinitely. Lessons were learned, for sure, and I came out the other side better off because of it. I'm currently residing within the very friendly Lackadaisy fandom. They seem like a very motley crowd, but I've also found them quite mature. Even the younger members conduct themselves with respect. Bear in mind, however, these are my personal experiences on the official Discord server. I don't use Twitter/X, so I can't speak for that section. Regardless, I'm glad everything worked out in the end, and, like you, I'm content to simply enjoy art on its own, rather than valuing it purely based on public discourse/perception.
Honestly both of you summarized why I just watch shows and ignore being a part of any fanbase and going on any social media sites unless I really want to. It’s a shame too since I like a lot of these indie shows and games it’s just oh boy the fandom is it’s own breed I must say
Truuuue! It's liek the cuter and more wholesome the show, the worse the fandom is! I don't get it!
Hit the nail right on the head with people taking this show WAY too seriously. The fact that people are legit arguing about "Jax having unhealthy coping mechanisms that harm those around him and the fact that he's in a bad situation isn't an excuse" is like... Save that for Bojack Horseman, this show is not that deep lmao
EXACTLY! It’s nothing against the show, but it’s the community people who are like ‘I like tadc I’m so quirky’. Just gets real annoying real fast.
I’m so glad I don’t engage with online interpersonal culture. I found the pilot yesterday and immediately thought “hey this is something cool I can recommend to a couple of my friends” and then immediately moved on with my life, keeping it in the back of my mind. The people who decided to pivot towards making hating it a part of their personality don’t know how to have fun.
same
It's so inspiring how far Luke and Kevin have come since their early SMG4 days. And it's so great to see people so passionate about providing quality animated shows be met with such massive support and success. Their love for what they doo really shows, and I hope the pilot gets picked up.
This is Gooseworx's show...
This is Gooseworx's show...
@@Chillipeffer yeah he is the showrunner, but it is still produced by GLITCH prod. Luke and Kevin may not be the ones who came up with the idea but their team sure as hell produced it (with gooseworx being the lead animator ofc but GLITCH definitely helped immensely on it so they need some recognition as well)
@@Chillipeffer Correct me if I am wrong, but you both are right. Gooseworx made the story, and Kevin and Luke(co-founders of Glitch Productions) decided to make it into a pilot.
@@bekfstman9841Gooseworx is the creator, writer, and director (she doesnt do the animation, just direction for the animators and creating concept art). She also voices Bubble and other misc. voices. Kevin Temmer is the lead animator. Glitch Productions is the production studio producing the show.
This is 100% an 'Um, achkshually 🤓' comment, but it's still important to give proper credit to the creatives behind the show.
As for why Glitch called this episode a pilot, it's because the show still isn't fully funded and they are going to fund it with the revenue from the video and the merch (mostly, I guess Glitch will fund a pretty good part of it seeing how popular the show got)
Pretty sad how that even needs to be explained since it was obvious that episode was just a demonstration of what the show's going to be like. It's like how the first episode of Hazbin will be completely different from the pilot besides a few keynotes.
I can't wait for the post-cringe phase for this show to happen in a year, where everyone will pretend like they've never hated it, and were fans from the beginning.
Fr lmao this gives me mad among us vibes
You described the Five Nights at Freddy’s “fandom” for me.
This is why I'm glad I do the best I can to be as genuine as possible because having a mentality where you deny your true feelings, or act like you never had those feelings, is a sad and exhausting mentality to have.
Yeah. Being in quite a few fandoms, I really realized there is a certain cycle to how fandoms behave. Something new is coming out -> It becomes incredibly popular -> Fandom becomes completely wild: toxicity and weird stuff ensue -> Popularity, as well as toxicity reaches its peak -> fandom gradually chills out (often because toxic people already hopped on the next big thing) and becomes relatively pleasant.
It's really better to hop into the fandom sometime after its peak. Yeah, weird stuff still occasionally ensues, but it's not nearly as bad. As examples, I can give: Undertale Fandom or MLP fandom.
Tbh I think at this point the best strategy for the people behind TADC can use is to artificially create nonsense drama to speed through the fandom cycle and get to the point everything's chill again
Jax is totally going to be the sarcastic ""edgy"" troll character whom the Tumblr crowd is never going to shut up about despite being as original and funny as a washcloth isn't he
look i know it looks bad with my profile picture but you have to believe me when i say it happens to every single character in a popular fandom ever. sometimes one part of fandom is just louder than the rest. hell i've seen more fans of hinger among my friends and community than jax, directly contradicting the obvious. its a matter of looking in the right place
I swear he reminds me of a few characters I've seen before. Like down to his actual design, the personality, even the voice just screams "tumblr sexyman" but more niche, like Sans. (I can't believe I'm saying this)
@@joe-pf5nx wdym "never a furry" have u been on tumblr
Sexy man?
I think he’s INTENDED to be a tumblr sexyman, however he’s been confirmed to become a fuckin horrible person as the show progresses, which will show how far Tumblr really is willing to go. I wish there was tumblr sexyman version for women that was just as popular though! Like Pomni would be a perfect candidate but Jax is the one getting all the love.
As someone who was hyped for the show for months before it came out I saw it coming from a mile away. I’m not surprised the show blew up AT ALL and honestly I love seeing all the fanarts and memes of it on the good side. Every fandom has a bad side after all
Yeah! Ever since the first tease I had a gut feeling this was gonna become one of the most popular indie pilots out there. Though even the popularity of this has been surprising to me. I would've expected the Amazing Digital Circus to land around the same number of views as Lackadaisy, which has around 11 million views right now, but this just went above and beyond at rocket speed! Heck its probably the most popular pilot on TH-cam right now that wasn't spearheaded Vivziepop.
5 stages if Twitter
1. Acknowledge the existence of the content
2. Make stupid posts to spread hate
3. Make stupid posts to spread hate
4. Make stupid posts to defend themselves
5. Realize their attempt is an absolute failure just like their bloodline.
People like that really have nothing better to do it is just soooo sad
6. Seek more content to hate
7. 2
liberals in a nutshell
@IndigoxGacha same, TH-cam probably isn’t any better as a platform but at least I’m not using all of the bad ones at once
Idk why they are like this if they don’t like the show no one is forcing them to watch it
Seeing how quickly Digital Circus blew up in popularity really made me go
_"Uh oh."_
Same thing here. I have some friends that gets really annoyed by any popular thing showed in their info field humongous ammount of time that they will get sick of it and will automaticaly start to avoid it, therefore ended up don't liking it because they have never given a chanse to experience a show or any other project without some dramatically diffrent takes about it showing of from another peoples perspectives before.
I don't want to talk about this show with anyone because I looked it up in first two hours of plot being uploaded on youtube and now fandom creates certain expectations about the show for other people that are just not really want to deal with rich fandom, expectations, drammas, quality bargains and other stuff that really do not affect end up product at all. I can't say show is good or bad. It's decient because of it's animation and stuff, yeah it have some flaws as well but it's just a first "Plot".
I got hooked up to Glitch with Murder Drones being really not funny, not well-animated but with interesting meta-commentary and worldbuilding and you know what? Last episoded got it all and now this is a really nice show to watch and get relaxed in it's own unique way. My thoughts about DC are the same. It's raw and will be medium-rare and then well-done soon. Person being traped in a digital dimention is interesting concept within an animated show with or without a "dark theme" behind it and I hope developers will work with characters and show itself - not only the fanbase behind it that will take it cool sooner or later.
Same, as someone who saw undertale blow up and has stuck with smg4 since the dudes channels literal birth.
Seeing this blow up also got an "Uh oh" from me.
specter knight :)
Everything that does it makes me Uh OH. Multiversus, Undertale, some other stuff that blew up for a while.
@@cityguard4847 What happened to Multiversus?
I’m not a big fan of the show (although I WILL watch any episodes that come out), but let people enjoy what they enjoy within reason!
The specter of toxic fandoms and cringe culture have become so overwhelming that a show having a fandom at all online is enough to drive fear and paranoia in most, and I think that’s sad.
You hit it right on the nail. We have folded in so many layers of irony that to watch a show is the greatest crime and liking it is worse because then it becomes a fandom. And now people are living a self fulfilling profecy as fast as possible. They have to ruin the show as fast as possible, and they have to hate the show as fast as possible.
Well, there's that and bad faith actors looking to subvert it from the inside. Considering gaming and anime as of late and how those have completely went face-down into the ocean just in the span of ten years, I'd say between that and the things you mentioned, there's something to be said about that.
Doing the minimum by keeping haters from attempting to subvert things for their own gain is to be expected. To me, that kind of gatekeeping is far from the "You aren't a fan unless you've consumed x number of things" strawman that people use to guilt others into being vulnerable.
OMG TERRIBLE PEOPLE ARE JOINING MY FANDOM AND RUINING IT! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO!!!"
Gatekeeping:
This is exactly why I dont even bother joining fandoms anymore. I just watch what I like and follow some artists and Im all good. Dont need my braincells dying from fandom cancer.
Aye, that is how you need to do things now. Fandoms are cancer. Learned that when I was a preteen and getting into supernatural when it first aired.
Holy shit that fandom was toxic.
Yeah, at this point I think I’m better off just enjoying any given piece of media by myself, maybe chatting about it with people I know irl who also like it. I’ve managed to avoid the real crazy fandoms but even so it never seems to end up as a net positive.
Tbh, I still don't even know what fandoms really are and therefore never join them 💀 I just like what I like and move on
"OMG TERRIBLE PEOPLE ARE JOINING MY FANDOM AND RUINING IT! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO!!!"
Gatekeeping:
Don't get me started on shipping wars...They're absoulely AWFUL.
man it’s so silly how the gooseworx confirmed the ages of the characters and how they don’t have genitalia i hope nothing bad comes from said confirmation
inevitable as all things
Well she already know about internet even when trailer come there a lot of rule 34 are there now ep 1 now there more like even 800 more arts come out 💀
im kind of glad they confirmed the characters ages to be honest. when i first watched it i thought pomni was a minor so seeing the amount of 'interesting' art was upsetting. when i found out she was 25 i breathed a sigh of relief
not really even before the piloy that 'art' was being made the ages just confirmed that the characters where of legal age
Goodeworx has stated they dont care about the rule 34, what they do care about is people being toxic and hateful towards eachother
I personally only just got into watching this pilot, knowing it's a pilot which automatically clicks to me as "rough draft", and so far... I was so impressed by how well it played out, enough to be rewatchable... More times than I'm willing to admit. (I may just rewatch it again because I just can't help it, lol.) It does a lot of things right from how it feels _to me_ as somebody who thinks in storyboards and design and though it's only a rough draft, it really nails a lot of things right off the bat. Does that mean it can't get any better? Ooohhh I hope that's NOT the case because I'm sure it can be better or at least have enough to engage me even if it doesn't blow me away. Latter point doesn't really matter when it mostly works.
So when I hear about the fandom being somewhat of a trainwreck and then the way-too-loud-than-should-be-even-allowed "popular = bad" people start cropping up at an unusually disturbing rate (then again, I find it disturbing at all that this problem is suddenly skyrocketing so fast with a creator who's actually dead-set on trying to keep it together when they don't necessarily have to), I just... Feel indifferent to it, honestly. What they're all doing is obviously stupid and this is just... Normal at this point for a lot of indie stuff, much like you pointed out.
Thing is, if we really enjoy something, then everyone else's opinion citing _their problems_ with it... Kinda just disappears off the radar. If there's something worth experiencing, let alone talking about, people will inevitably leave behind the idiocy where it stands and enjoy what they came for no matter how much time that takes to happen.
the fact that gooseworx said "if the fandom is bad, i'm gonna make the show bad" just goes to show she was likely expecting this lol. which sucks because it's a cool premise and i really really like all of the characters, can't hate a single one of them.
edit: i am dense, she was joking lmfao. still the fact that she expected a bad fandom is making me giggle. (dont slander me too much, i only heard abt the "bad fandom = bad show" thing from a friend)
She don't need to ruin it over the Fandom there's still some people who want a decent show plus it will kind of make that stuff less enjoyable for the writer. Idk I just hope the Fandom don't have control over where her show will go
It was obviously a joke, you people are too naive even you think they are going to make the show purposely bad over the fanbase misbehaving.
When and where did she say this?
@@ΈκτοραςΕλευθεριάδηςknowing gooseworx it might not be that much of a joke
@@titan4257She said it on Twitter. But you'd have to be a moron to actually think she meant this.
THANK YOU for pointing out it isn't necessarily supposed to be scary. Most of the time people like to try and say it's bad because it fails at being scary but it never really felt like it was trying to be. At it's core it's a comedy with dark themes.
It's more unsettling. Feels like it will build tension. And we know what happens when characters gets too deep.
indeed, I'm all for valid criticism as it helps products improve but saying the show that advertised itself as a dark comedy is bad because it isn't scary enough isn't very helpful
Also, everyone says that the amazing digital circus is supposed to be for adults, no one ever said it was for adults, glitch makes shows for teens, Which just shows Twitter's ability to look up things
@@ythegamerita I've read that they wanted to make shows for late teens/young adults. Probably cause everywhere else it's either young teens or adults.
The thing that I enjoy most about the digital circus is not participating or reading in any of the discourse and just enjoying the main work and its fan art. You have the option as a conscience individual to not engage mentally with drama xD
(Excellent vid btw. You were very even handed while still being honest about your own opinions and that's rare these days)
This guy gets it
Exactly. Just enjoying the actual work should be the go-to mindset.
Bruh its just been one episode. All of this is ridiculous
It does look good so far. But drama? Really?
@@Eking-su3tr almost out the gate. This show had a LOT of views in the first 2 days, that's a lot of head canons and a lot of opinions.
Every single fandom has a lot of positive and negative stuff. The people made it that way and I guess it's already natural.
I genuinely wish people would send the hatred (not criticism, but purely unfounded hatred) of popular indie cartoons to major studios who are riding off of their name *cough* disney *cough* instead of creating original ideas.
digital circus is visually stunning, and while the pilot leaves things to be desired, i think it could be great, and i just pray to god it doesnt crash and burn at the hands of internet discourse
As an indie animator, thank you ❤
@@iasminprati He wasn't talking about you bro
liberals hate anything good so that's not gonna happen. they wanna drag everyone and everything down to their level.
honestly
send the hatred for one show to a company not involved at all with the production? your mental age is less than 18 and I can guarantee that.
One of the things that really gets to be when people talk about pilots is when they say “There’s no development to the characters at all!” Well no shit! It’s the pilot! The cast isn’t going to go through a ton of development in one 25-30 minute pilot!
As a wittier this stuff really ticks me off. Projects will always have flaws, but so many people treat even the smallest flaws like their the worst thing ever (When a show like Big Mouth exists)
THIS. They'll preach about how flaws are ok until there are actual flaws
And also, the Pilot definitely sets up clear room for the characters to improve and gives you a good idea of their flaws; WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT A PILOT IS SUPPOSED TO DO HERE!
It's like people don't know how episodic shows work.
And the worst is that the opposite version is true.
Just from the pilot, people will say the show is a true master piece when it has just began.
The other day, I saw someone explaining how Gangle was an extremely good representation of depression and how often you would your sadness behind a happiness Mask.
I don't say the thing about depression is wrong, (idk much about this sadly), however saying Gangle is a representation of that is clearly false when Gangle entire personnality in the pilot is "I am sad cuz my mask is broken".
So, you have people you have people over reacting about the show having flaws in two ways possible.
Either the show is absolute trash to them, or it's perfect and you're the one creating flaws according to them...
Exactly! Like they really be thinking there's going to be a villian arc, redemption arc, and fully thought out characters from a literal PILOT
I’m just happy to see an actual Gooseworx production, just the quirky nature of her art style and music coming to fruition got me so excited! It’s a shame that some people are already trying to shoot it down just because it’s getting positive attention. I really just hope Gooseworx doesn’t get any serious clout because of this.
Goose has been creating for years, I'm sure it will be fine.
@UTTPJimmykeep dreaming
@INQUISITOR-IS-BURNING-IN-HELLOkay hun keep your eyes closed and keep dreaming ❤
You have explained all of my concerns way better than I could I love shows and things like this but I hate when it’s popularity kills it and the creators feed into the parts that makes casual fans cringe like immediately merch dumping, hinting at stuff for tumblr fans to go nuts to and worst of all… nfts
Yeah, the immediate merch dump was a big red flag for me. I bought some merch since I want to support it, but I'm worried that the show might have been manufactured to specifically appeal the general indie demographic in order to garner a large following and in turn sell merch. It hits a lot of checkboxes that indie properties that blew up in a similar way have, and I'm worried the show will lean more into that and sacrifice artistic integrity for the sake of sales/sticking to the formula
@@tomewifecollector9608 yeah I was lucky enough to catch the pilot on day 2 but I was so worried for it when I looked up what’s the plan for it and got all the SUPER fans
I think there was merch BEFORE the pilot even came out
I honestly think the characters talking to each other in an unnervingly empty room is a feature adding to the underlying creepiness.
That's a fair note.
To me, it feels like the world exists around the characters, instead of the characters existing in a world
@@pageclayton6850to be fair it's a digital world
I think that’s the point though. It’s like being stuck in the back rooms. You are completely trapped, but there’s tons of space everywhere.
@@pageclayton6850that’s fair, but if you’ve ever looked into game development that’s actually how 3D environments are rendered. I get where you’re coming from though
@@pageclayton6850I feel like that's kind of the point, the story even tells us that Caine makes little adventures and stuff for them, and he makes everything there, and it is a digital world which means it's in theory limited by like file size and stuff, so it makes sense that the world would kind of revolve around the characters in a way, it could also be making reference to like ... how in video games and stuff you only animate what the audience will see because the rest is just a waste of time and effort
Honestly Jax and Caine carried the pilot in my opinion. Caine's "I'm trying my best" energy is endearing and Jax's perfect balance of assholery and comedy has gotten the same reaction from everyone I've shown the pilot, that being "he's an ass, but I love him."
Edit: a name
Im probably an exception out of the rules, but i really didn't like jax. It was my second least favourite character, only ahead of zooble.
@@godzile999 fair enough, for some people a well written asshole is fun to watch. No hate if you disagree
Nah fam, you can’t tell me that Kinger isn’t the goat. Look at his unhinged looking ass, his decency considering how long he’s been in the world and the potential lore around his queen. He is the goat.
I definetly see that! Personally i thought Ragatha and Pomni did, but I love hearing your perspective:)
Caine*
I would say that while yes some are kind of over-hyping it and I personally had issues with it, it's also ONLY a pilot. And for a pilot I thought that while it was mostly just set-up, it did a decent job and set-up is kinda of the main point of a pilot. I'm waiting to see if the issues I have with it will get ironed out (like the pacing of the build up and the comedy being a little more prevalent for longer than it needed to be). Until then, I advise everyone to chill out before they start Ssniperwolfing each other.
2:12 I... Does that person think that 3 years is a gigantic age gap for adults??
I think Jax's character of being a tad mean is a element to the funny part of Digital Circus
I mean, everyone is so calm and not problematic, I think we need someone who can start some problems or extend ones, someone who will go Left when everyone goes right because he thinks it would be funny, jax is funny, a Chaotic bastard and kinda necessary
And we like it
@deathtomurderdrone no father figure?
Idk what goes in the delicate heads of people who complain about shit like that, especially when it ends with "😭".
Idk, maybe teletubbies is the right show for them.
@@sammi_poelooking at his channel, it’s literally just meant to piss people off, he’s got videos like “why technoblade deserved it”
*the only funny part*
“Hating popular things doesn’t make you an interesting person”
“But.. I based my entire personality around hating things people like.. I-If I don’t call the new popular thing bad.. what am I going to do with my life..?”
All self-proclaimed "haters" ought to see this
Defending popular things from fully deserved hate doesn’t make you an interesting person either.
Everybody lies. Why else are creators getting accused of bad things as soon as they get popular?
From a naked mario humping spaghetti, to outstanding animation. What a time to be alive.
It's nostalgic just to think about it.
I'm sorry, I'm new in here, but um...what 😀
@@ya_sunglasses7020 Glitch Productions (who is an independent (indie) studio run by 2 brothers and their passion for animation) is owned by the guys who made SMG4 (which started out as Super Mario 64 edits, then became a GMod shitposter, who then started Glitch), which is where the naked spaghetti-humping retard, mario, was born (in the SMG4 universe)
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@@ya_sunglasses7020nah fr 💀
I fell out of helluva boss. Because of two reasons.
1. People stunned that demons are evil.
2. The vocal minority who are representation addicts. The ones who cling on a character solely because it exists.
I didn't fall out of it but I am like 'ugggh' when I see a new episode, because they constantly cry about their daddy issues, they have to sing in EVERY episode which gets taxing after a while, only the hetero couples get to actually hook up anymore, the characters only ever interact in the same pairs, and they completely abandoned their premise and proof of concept to be a character driven drama.
Why tf would you let fans of a show determine if you watch the show?
To a degree I understand not supporting a creator or actor you have moral qualms with, but imagine saying "weird person like show, show bad"
Jesus Christ why can’t I just enjoy the shit I want to enjoy without people trying to ruin it
This is why I don’t use anything other than TH-cam, because this site’s batshit crazy enough
Fr, crazy arguments over pointless stuff are like an unpleasant side option here, can’t believe I ever used apps where that was the main point.
Have to give Digital Circus some credit, it’s a new world record of fastest toxic fandom and hatedom!
Gooseworx specifically asked for us to not go to shit, yet here we are
@@pigeonmanepicgonna be honest i feel like gooseworx should've expected this to happen
It beat pizza tower omg
All Fandoms are toxic. I love my digital circus but I learned this loooooong ago not to engage with Fandoms.
Honestly I only interact with the fandom on Tumblr, and it seems pretty chill over there. Although there is a weird amount of fanart that is just characters doing drugs for some reason.
What matters is knowing how to separate the source from the "fandom". Just be an enjoyer.
nothing but facts i will teach my future family this
People get sick of these types of shows because their fanbases become filled with the strangest types of people.
Just avoid the fanbase lol
Chronically online reason to hate a show
Them hate the stupid fans and not the show thpse fans also are h0rny kids not normal fans they soon will find something else to obsess over and TADC will be fine
I don't get why indie animation is being abused by toxicity alot recently.
I feel like BFDI is the only one that doesn't have much of that.
(Update: Nvm. That show got abused as well.)
Kinda does, certain people in the helluva boss fanbase got all mad when their show lost to BFDI in the cartoon crave awards, and now some fans treat it like its the worst thing ever created, made by the secret lizard people, to control all humans, so that they can capture earth or some shit like that
@@Fire76863 Helluva Boss fandom is worse as the object show fandom.
I don't get why these fandoms ruin cartoons for me.
BFDI is way older than all these cartoons. I think the fans of that show have grown up and matured
Bfdi is niche, the creators themselves don't want it to become too big.
BFDI and the one with the phone gameshow host will always be better than the other object shows
The rules of Twitter: if anything gets popular, everyone has to hate it
And immediately make headcanons even though the show is a literal fetus 🤗⚰️
@@yishaizukkol3099 I DON'T F*CKING CARE
@@yishaizukkol3099It's hard to get used to that name
@@sonicfanboy3375real
@@yishaizukkol3099 No one's going to call it that lmao
Pomni had a terrible first impression at digital circus.
The fandom had a terrible first impression.
Foreshadowing is crazy😂
WAIT I DIDN’T REALIZE THAT 😭😭😭
More like art imitates life... imitating art.
Bravo -Vince- Goose!
i think it makes sense why she makes a bad first impression too, i wouldn't've suppose anyone else would be fluffy about being trapped in VR for eternity.
As someone who's been in fandom since she was 11 (9 years and counting) I'm always amazed at how sensitive fandom has gotten.
Shit that we casually joked about less than a decade ago we now hate with a burning passion for seemingly no reason
It's both really funny and really sad
Just rewatched Friendship is Witchcraft on TH-cam
It's the perfect example of what I'm saying here
They constantly joke about abusing and hating Spike, they hate Pinkie Pie for being a witch (full on calling her a slur and everything), when she's actually just a very traumatized pony, and they joke about drugs and murder in the dragon episode
These things were ok back then, but if FiW came out today, I GUARANTEE the creators would be cancelled, not just on Twitter, but Internet-wide.
FiW is still a good series tho, highly recommend
@@bonnietelocole6777 This might be an unpopular opinion but people who are so violently anti shipping/shippers weird me out. Like it's weird to ship 12 year old characters or teens but 90% of those shippers are the same age and will grow out of it, but there are people who shame others out of shipping in general.
Like simping for a character is fine but not shipping 2 of them together?
I personally see fictional characters as dolls, to be posed and used however, because they are writing tools and not real people.
@@SupHapCak Exactly! It's not that we condone these taboo topics either, it's just that we know from history that banning any topic in media will always be a slippery slope to banning ANYTHING that's deemed immoral, and sadly, many still include LGBT and POC folk in that. Banning topics is also a golden ticket to censorship and control that can only ever get out of hand and hurt innocent people. Antis are causing more harm than good, and a lot of the time aren't even realizing it. That's why tagging and warnings are such a big deal, everything else has failed us, so warning for things and hoping people won't get hurt is kinda the best we can do.
Never understood why people let bad eggs in a fandom ruin the show for them. Every indie thing that blows up seems to have the "worst fandom ever" title slapped onto it until the next thing
I don't get it, either. I mean, why torture yourself, dealing with strangers that're obviously crazy and have no tact (and would likely commit a plethora of crimes if they were able to get away with it, they're that unhinged), when you can simply enjoy the work among yourself and your circle of friends?
It's because we don't have enough friends in real life anymore. It'd make it a lot easier to avoid this crap.
@@thegodofalldragonstrue bro! That's why or this is why people who are born to be hated this world.
People gotta take some Stoic class for real.
Let's not forget the fact that said fandom also gets the, "Toxic Fandom" Title as well and generalizes fans as "Toxic and annoying awful people" despite the fact there's been said Awful people getting away with things in the fandom
Gooseworx has said that if the Fandom gets out of Control she will make the Show bad on Purpose. Things like this need to be said more often
Edit: Because most of the People replying to this Comment seem to have very bad Joke Literacy, Gooseworx was obviously joking when she said that
Really sucks for the normal people who just want to enjoy a good show
@@Daemondogexactly man im 1 of those ppl who'll just chill and enjoy the series
Haven't seen the post but to me that sounds like a joke
What if tho I’ll die laughing
It would be a fucking damn shame if that were to happen. I really like the show, and these degenerates are ruining it for me. Well, I'm going to buy those plushies so I can still remember it's glory.
I’ve been waiting for a show like this for a really long time. I love clowncore/weirdcore. I love the combination of bright colours and jokes with slight horror like elements. I remember being hooked on the show the moment I saw Pomni fanart a couple months ago, but now seeing the intense hate for this show makes me really sad tbh.
Love Eddsworld. Hate that the fandom from 2016 gave it such a bad rep and destroyed so much for the show when it had both such wonderful people working on it and amazing fans that aren’t d*ckheads. It’s got such a warm feel to it and I just love it with all my heart. I am so proud and grateful Matt started it up again
my animations are worse than glitch
I hate bots
What Even Happened to the Eddsworld Fandom that made people go Nuts
@@Mr.Brothybearshipping
As much as I love the Amazing Digital Circus, I will admit, it does make me relieved to hear that popularity isn't everything.
Especially since I'm an artist myself, and sometimes I fear that when I do eventually make some kind of indie series of my own in the future, I worry that it might get overlooked and nobody ends up seeing it.