The Prisoner | Ep.6 - "The General" | REACTION
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"You all know the answers."
Mark those words!
Damn those 60s computers, taking over everything! Good thing they always blew up with an illogical/ambiguous question
The General is one of my favourite episodes, very relevant to today, being told what to think but not thinking for yourself. I think he realised at the end no.12 was an ally and literally threw a spanner in the works to save him. It's a shame he got killed
I recognise the actor playing no 12 (John Castle) from the old Miss Marple series with Joan Hickson, he plays the Detective Inspector in A Murder is Announced (1985) and The Mirror Crack'd from Side to Side (1992).
It's the journey that's important.
Haha, I love how you are always asking 'why' with this show. You're going to explode like the General at some point. It's also the question they keep asking him every episode, and which can never be answered.
Marie Claire. Yes! There are `Genuine` fellow `Prisoners` in the Village; an episode to come positively proves there are. That little `Snatching Hand device` is called a `Coffin Bank`. They were devised in Japan in 1966 and were very new when `The General` was in production in late 1966. McGoohan came across one and put it into this episode!
Hi Marie-Clare! So glad you're enjoying The Prisoner. This episode is one of my favourites. As always its great to see a well loved favourite through your fresh eyes. You are approx. 40% through the series, btw.
Lovely to see you and exchange a few thoughts in the chat on Type 40 Podcast last night!
I watched the original broadcasts when I was a child and have seen them again and again. They are genius created under strictly limited budget and time. Try Survivors, it has the same level of compulsion. Be seeing you!
Survivors has some episodes that are the best TV ever.
Colin Gordon's second appearance as Number 2. That was not planned, but another actor due to play no.2 pulled out and McGoohan liked Gordon's previous acting work so gave him a second gig. This episode definitely was filmed first, before A B and C, but that episode was ALWAYS planned to be shown first. In this episode 2 calls 6 " old friend " sarcastically, referring to A B and C, and 6 in A B and C says to 2 , " I've not seen much of you", indicating that indeed The General was meant to be after A B and C.
There are definitely other prisoners in the Village, some though have accepted their imprisonment, maybe even agree that they know too much and should be in the Village. No.6 made this point in Free For All during his election speech at the start of his campaign " Many of you have accepted your imprisonment and will die here like rotten cabbages." Script editor George Markstein in an interview once said he thought places to put ex spies in ,like The Village actually existed. Btw, McGoohan's previous series Danger Man is a classic, Patrick is brilliant in it, definitely worth watching.
Lew (Later `Lord`) Grade is on record as saying that `Patrick McGoohan was the best leading man in the UK at that time. Around about the end of `Danger Man` and beginning the `Prisoner` he was the highest paid actor on UK television.
As so often with The Prisoner, accounts vary. Colin Gordon's No 2 was supposed to be killed at the end of the episode. His character in A, B, and C is far less confident and aspects of that episode make far more sense if it comes after The General.
@@ghughesarch maybe, but perhaps that was when another actor was due to play no.2. I believe Gordon's " I am no. 2" instead of " the new no. 2" at the start was possibly due to the director getting Gordon to re -record his intro not realising McGoohan was planning the episode order he did settle upon. Gordon's more assured performance in The General understandable as it was recorded first and not written for Gordon's no.2. I can recommend a book, a guide to the series by A. Stevens and F. Moore, where this is all revealed. Btw they've also written a great Blake's 7 guide.
@@michaellevenson2200 there wasn't really an episode order. It all fell apart a bit in the chaotic production process.
Rose Tobias Shaw, the casting director, said they got Colin back for A, B and C, for instance, as they liked his performance in The General.
The Prisoner history is so full of myths and legends, some of them started by McGoohan, as to be unreliable unless there's some paperwork to back it up.
@@michaellevenson2200 as far as I know, for instance, the only actor to withdraw from playing No2 was Trevor Howard in Dance of the Dead. Replaced by Mary Morris with very little alteration to the script.
Loved Marie-Clare's reactions and thoughts concerning this episode of The Prisoner.
When I first discovered The Prisoner in the 80's, I too was desperate for some answers, but soon realised that the quest for answers is what kept me coming back, week after week.
Which was probably Patrick McGoohan's devilish plan, all along. :)
Producer George Markstein wanted 26 episodes so he could sell it to American television. Patrick McGoohan thought that the series couldn't sustain itself for that long and wanted to do a "limited series" of around seven episodes. Somehow seventeen were agreed upon; however there was a long gap between the first thirteen episodes filmed and the final four as McGoohan had already committed to a role in the movie "Ice Station Zebra", which resulted in the heavy rewritten/edited episode "Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My Darling" and a heavy turnover in behind the scenes personnel as they had to hastily come up with an additional four scripts, including the finale "Fall Out."
George Markstein was the story editor. Lew Grade who ran ITC, and commissioned the series from McGoohan's Everyman Films, wanted at least 26 (Mike Dann the vice president of programming at CBS was buying the series and came over to the UK during filming to try and talk McGoohan into more episodes and also changing some of the concepts - McGoohan politely declined).
@@frankshailes3205 IIRC the initial compromise agreement committed McGoohan to doing 13 eps (a standard number in the UK at the time, with TV schedules being based around four quarters of the year). They eventually talked him into doing the extra four, making the series just barely long enough to interest US networks.
Reporting to The General at last
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This is one of the least ambiguous episodes in it's political messaging - Mainstream education (by which it's defining as rote memorization, but also 'teaching to the test' would fit into this easily) is bad, and antithetical to real learning.
They should have just turned it off and back on again.
The worse episode out of the way!
For you- yes! For myself, the two that I regard `weaker` yet to come!
@@alansmith1989yes, the two weakest ones IMO are, no spoilers, so I'll just use initials, IYF and DNFMOMD. The first just illogical ,the other poorly made and pointless, though entertaining.
I was forgetting about those and in hindsight i agree that they were the weakest and although DNFOMD was entertaining it was so because of all the wrong reasons,and as for IYF it just seemed to be written for another series.Apparently both episodes are recognised by prisoner fans and McGoohan himself as 'fillers' and the weakest.
@@marineboy-kv6rf Its all down to each individuals personal taste really. My own very personal favourite - the 14th screened episode is hardly any other `Prisoner` fans top episode-but I love it. I have never claimed it the best of the series; only to me. We all are entitled to our likes and dislikes here and I fully respect other folks views. Long as no one tells me that I `should` like or dislike certain episodes i'm fine! All part of Individuality I reckon! 🤗😊😉😀
@@alansmith1989 I like the 14th too - it's brilliant!