OH SHIP! There Goes the ENGINE || Sailing Rangiroa Tuamotu French Polynesia
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- Our Tikehau Anchorage has turned to crap and bad weather is coming. So we're sailing to Rangiroa, Tuamotu. Like normal #BOATLIFE things never go as planned.
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Tikehau is only 45 nautical miles away from Rangiroa but with sailing there's so much more to a trip than just a distance. We have to leave Tikehau with enough light so we can see the bommies that threaten our route out of this atoll. We are sailing against the wind and prevailing swell so it's going to be rough...which will slow us down.
We're sailing to one of the most dangerous passes in the Tuamotu Archipelago. We must arrive at slack tide or we're gonna die (at least that's what all the 'cautionary tales' on the internet say).
Pile all those fear mongering tales with an exciting start of 5+ knot current pushing us out of Tikehau, then top that with a busted starter causing our engine to fail and we now have an anxiety pie. What should have been a nice, short sail turned into a stress induced motor repair bashing. Hooray Boats!
One things for sure, there's never a dull moment in this sailing life of ours. In the end we take the sour so we can savor the sweet...and Rangiroa is supposed to be one of the best places in the world for SCUBA Diving Sailors like us.
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The smoke, was probably the lacquer on the copper coils burning of. That's what finally killed the starter. Nice to have two motors though! ;)
Good luck to you guys.
my sunday is now complete.....be safe....jason i have told you about safety lines and life jackets.......in rough seas especially.....get a belt life jacket just in case.....thank you
Time to practice your man overboard drills.
That looked a little sketchy on the sugar-scoop.
Ok at 8:53 or maybe before I have to tell you what you did severely wrong with that starter. The black debris is not from the field coil(long black magnets) or armature(shiny copper wires) they are from the brushes that contact the commutator(smaller armature) on the cap that you did not remove the armature from. You did not take the armature off so you did not inspect the real reason for your problems, the brushes are worn or the commutator has become filled with carbon deposits creating a direct short to ground(burning smell/smoke). 9 out of 10 starters that fail are mechanically sound and just need cleaning, for this, I recommend brake cleaning fluid however when in a pinch a baking soda/water paste and an old toothbrush will also work. And of course, wipe it down with a clean lint-free towel do not use just water to rinse(rust)!!!
You said that all wrong - its the thingy that is on there that has the black stuff that needs to be cleaned off that thingy and the other thingy before you can reinstall the thingy untested back in the big thingy so you can hit the thingy with a hammer thing while having your fingers crossed that the thingy will spin making the big thingy go round and round... but shucks never mind..... how the hell do these people order parts?
An old boat mechanic once told me "if you got a boat, you've got boat problems". Looks like you could use an experienced mate to handle Maintenance. Me!
Salt works 24/7 eating your carbon steel and electrical components. What are y'all spraying on your equipment to fight corrosion?
PLEASE take your safety more serious. Me and about 437 others are about to come out there and "take a switch to your legs"!
I wish I could help more. I've got the experience, tools and all. Call me.
Wish you could help MORE? LOL. Is repeating spam (plus that bit of creepy-spanking-threat) really helpful?
12:35 no life line, no life jacket, down one engine in rough seas, and just one person to handle that big ass boat if Jason goes over board... that was so scary to watch... ASA Sailing 101 course, one hand for you, one hand for the boat.
amazing,, they have done thousands of off shore miles yet still there are those who want to tell them how to do it ...
@@roderickmchardy3650
Eventually beginner's luck runs out...
msnpassjan2004 yes that is really stupid not to be safe especially when he was putting gas in, he could had easily flew off the stern on a bad wave hit.
@@charlesharper2357 I'd say they are past "beginners" stage....
@@thepaintedhuckleberry356
Neither of them had any offshore experience before they started 3 years ago...and their lack of experience under an experienced skipper really shows.
They take far too many chances...from a lack of spares, safety lines, harnesses, and refueling at sea instead of at anchorage.
Beginner's luck only lasts so long...it needs to be replaced by good seamanship.
When you get that spare installed, order another.
I checked Amazon...$120 each.
Even online cruising stores sell them for under $300...when I was a commercial fisherman I used to pack a spare $2,200 starter for my Volvo.
Always a spare starter, alternator, water pump, sea water pump...
@@charlesharper2357 2200 for Volvo starter where do get them so cheap
@@glennimmortal
That was a few years ago for an MD70B from Auto Marine Electric.
Always go to Commercial suppliers...never yacht dealers.
Fuel up before your leave?
protip ... you can use jumper cables to test it before you reinstall the starter....
Nailed it!
Or screwdriver across the contacts.
Hi Jason, have you always been mechanically minded or did you start to learn when you had the RV and then moved onto the boat?
Also, you must be a fast swimmer if you are confident you can catch up with boat after falling over board 😜.
Back in the RV days Jason was famous for his "how *not* to" videos. He's come a long way!
Curious Minion
Couple items. Always have a spare started and alternator and where is your lift jacket when you are on the back of the boat?
I think this is the spare LOL ... but I must agree with the life jacket - scary stuff!
And, transferring fuel that should have been done at anchor.
@Nancy Ruggeri that's for the Brit Royals, it's an heir and a spare...
@Nancy Ruggeri lol, we kicked them to the curb in 1776!
Two is one. One is none.
I don´t know if this helps. Your problem solving videos are more entertaining than just another paradise beach:-)
Ditto on other comments ... why no safety gear?
Great, fun, interesting, magical, exciting, well produced video. I am so glad I've Gone With The Wynns,....
Capt. Ron fuel management. We're out of fuel, we must be there.
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No life jacket and safety lines Jason I got that you felt safe but that's how accidents happen.
I love Nikki and Jason but I wish the ones that trained them and tested them would jerk a knot in their tails for the risk they continue to take by refusing the safety line.
right, a rogue wave hits , knocks him, he bangs head , unconcious and falls overboard. Drowned and gone before she can do anything.
@@texasbk1333 That's one crazy twisted wish!
They are starting to become cowboys. Every sailor should be clipped on. They had Ruby Rose on board and Nick always clips on when at sea
Exactly
Sometimes when you pay Atoll it's a terrible price.
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Very Clever
You must be a brit!
helloman1976 You need to be reported! 😝😝
I use the Safety Siphon 068557 on Amazon. I can transfer 5 gallons in 1:40. I carry two. They are $10 each and work really well. No electricity needed and just shake it up and down in the Jerry can two or three times and the diesel flows. Works great on our Hunter 356. Would work fine on your rear transom area. Enjoy your videos and adventures. 👍
J Clark - we have used that one as well and love it!
Good tip for ya. Have a spare starter on board, vacuum wrap it like you would a fish filet. The next time you need it will be still like new no rust. I use my vacuum machine to wrap a lot of stuff on my boat.
Absolutely if it was me I would have two sounds like lot but on ocean going vessel redundecy is a must also when you put your starter back together coat electrical connections with thin coat of did electric greasesalt water is horrible on electrical parts on my RV generator I Cary 2 extra fuel pumps it's well worth it
That's dielectric grease
rdmanone Brilliant idea! Could also use those giant ziplock bags where you can pull a vacuum on it for things like blankets, pillow, sweaters, etc.
No PFD?? While I love your videos you are doing a disservice to yourselves and to your viewers.
@@scotttild Yeah I am aware it is a personal choice. Refueling on the sugar scoop in 8 ft swells is not exactly within an enclosed cat. Did you watch the video before you trolled?
Ok, ”J, ” safety first, oops is a bad video word after an accident. 😏👌🏾🤓🤙🏾🤪👍🏾😔👋🏾🤨👏🏾🧐👌🏾
Keeping it real. Thanks for showing its not always manta rays and bikinis. But manta rays and bikinis are awesome 😉
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I'm not sure if you have the room to make this work but you could start one engine pull the starter off of it while it's running put it on the other engine and get that one started. It is dangerous but it is possible. Thanks for the videos they are appreciated
Twenty years from now most humans will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. - Mark Twain.
With the seas the way they were wouldn't some life lines been in order when fueling on the stern?
I am so glad that my two favorite people and two kitties in the Pacific are safe. You are being sent much Love from the great state of Ohio and I thank you both for the smiles that you give me so generously, thank you!
Glad to see you guys being concerned about entering and exiting an Atoll, on “ Sailing Zatara “ they showed a brand new boat that the crew made a few simple mistakes and ran aground and Lost their boat. They were experienced sailors that were not on their game that day. Stay Safe and keep enjoying life !
Hammer doesn't work......GET A BIGGER HAMMER. ;)
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Harness life lines pleeeese extra caution saves Lives and then the vids may stop oh no
After seeing a newer boat having starter issues, I plan to order a spare starter and alternator before any future trips. Being a mono-hull and having only one motor, I really don't want to be without my engine. I can also get a better price if I'm not desperate for a replacement.
And you can get buy a rebuilt starter for a low price...after you swap out your dead starter get it rebuilt at your next major port.
Diesel engines can be hand started with a crank, I’ve got mine setup with an extension so I have room to crank it if the starter fails. It’s not fun, but it’s better than grounding my mono. I have an empty pulley, (like to run an alternator) it hooks up with a belt to an optional hand crank. A quick google search should yield a photo.
@@svthreehourtour2057
I had a small single cylinder Yanmar Genset that came with a crank start...worked pretty well.
I've never heard of a modern Yanmar with 2 or more cylinders that can be hand started...they need glow plugs and a fast crank
100% on that Bob. We do and have used them.
charles harper
Yeah our yse12 has a factory option, on the y-3gm30 I used a pulley reducer and decrompression on the heads to get the speed up... throw the deco back off and after a clank and a bang it slowly speeds up to idle. The crank pulley is on a ratchet so when the engine takes off it doesn’t sling the crank around the boat, or in my case the engine stand.
You should get a shake siphon hose. Works better than a pump and not power needed.
The Original Safety Siphon Gas Siphon 6' High Grade Hose 1/2" Valve - 2-Pack www.amazon.com/dp/B01NGTEW5R/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_ynduDbACFTTJG
yep shake siphons are magic.
I've seen those shake siphon things and wondered if the work. Guess I'll have to order one now
The Original Safety Siphon works fantastic. I use mine all the time. I had to add a tye wrap on the copper end, but great tool.
I prefer the 1 inch- its like 8 times faster. But these are awesome!
Not clipped in while fueling? No.
That made me nervous. lol With my horrible balance, I would have ended up in the drink!
@@mytube0969 Be ok though, you have a 5 gallon can to keep you afloat🙃
@@neil1150 true. Haha Well just as long as I actually kept my grip on it! lol
no lifejackets and safety lines in such rough conditions is no bueno guys!! Awesome work and vlog though, keep it up!!
And cue all the armchair sailors to lecture you about safety....
Glad you arrived safely. I have to agree that starter needs replacing. It's true anything can be fixed but that motor looks like it will be cheaper to replace than to repair. All that dust inside would be a concern. Is it ash from burned windings, graphic wear pads, wiring, or grease from the bearings. Any of which is bad. You know AFTER you replace that starter and have the engine working again, perhaps you should remove and check the other starter. Stitch in time saves nine and all that.
You guys are living your best life!! Love the vidiography and content. Thank you
I really love you guys... but please.. from one sailor to another.. Jason please wear your life jacket in rough conditions...
JASON, one engine, rough seas, and wind in the wrong direction. You should have had your harness/ppe on when you were refilling the gas tank.
They'll learn when one of them goes overboard one night.
@@billhamilton2366 Looks like we have 2 dead yesterday just 2 miles from shore here in MoretonBay. I just read the account of the guy cruising off South Africa who went off watch after his wife took over. Calm seas, 10-12 knots in an ocean going catamaran. He got up at 3am to find her gone. Backtracked along the track, but she was never found.
@@philgray1023 he pushed her. Lol
@@timmartin4798 I'm thinking "he's" not laughing so why are you? When someone loses a loved one, it's not funny.
This is my favorite sailing channel because Nikki and Jason are upbeat, adventurous, and excellent videographers, but I cannot understand their disregard for safety--especially in rough seas. Maybe they're worried that clipped on PFDs with EPIRB would ruin their carefree aesthetic? Hundreds of people have posted comments asking for greater safety, though. Clearly their audience wants change.
I was hoping Nick and Terysa (very safe sailors) would have a positive effect, but apparently not.
You all love this couple and what they're doing right? They've gone this far doing it their way...right? Love them, encourage them, pray for them, but for god's sake quit all the safety rants. It's their life, and they are doing it their way. Their channel isn't named "Gone with the Wynn's, we're going sailing, need your advice". Please...just enjoy the trip with them and quit with all the comment clutter. Jeeze! And yes I've owned a sail boat in the past and know this stuff too.
Great vid you two and I love your editing and story telling.
Thanks guys! You're right, we wear our Life Vests when it's necessary. We're grown ass adults and we can decide when we should and shouldn't put one on. 👍
Well put.
Maybe take the starter off the running engine and crank the down one so they are both running - owned a charter company for years - that was the solution missed
Great idea. I did not even know you could remove the starter from a running engine.
{face palm} D'oh!
Great idea
@@msnpassjan2004 After the starter engages the flywheel the bendix retracts and it can be removed if they work anything like a car starter.
@@msnpassjan2004 you can
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I know all us guys at home harp on about safety, but please use life vests or a safety line . Love you vids don’t want any man over bald stories ❤️
Jason's got at least 10? more years before Nikki has to worry about the Bald Stories
Have you thought of walkie talkies for those hard hearing situations? Franny and I use them a lot when we travel in two separate cars to the same place... Let us know. We will send you some, if you don’t already have them. Great video about situational events and we would love to help you out if you would like us too. Heidi
Jason, you probably know there are 2 types of starters. One you can tap to help start the other you can damage. The Japanese cars first came with the type you don't hit , they have permanent magnates in the outer case that might crack when you hit it and the bits jamb or rub the armature. The Other old type of starters have 'field' wire windings in the outercase surrounding the armature but they have solenoids/contacts that jamb up and stop the wiring getting current and the starter spinning. I think the starter on the Yanmar looked like the permenant magnet don't hit type.! ( of course!) I looked at the video again you have a permanent mag starter .
I understand you have dirt/carbon Jambing up the armature ( spinny bit) ( andvyou got to do what you got to do) but your problem may not be the dirt on the armature but dirt and corrosion around the brushes meaning they don't make good contact with the copper commutators on the armature , the shinney strips on the end of the armature the brushes ride on. All this stuff is steel and rusts over time in a salt water environment , DUH! But all starters come like that even the brush holders on my bow thrusters that live in the bilge ( really cheap and stupid but.......) you could spray everything with Any cleaner like WD 40 , kerosene , diesel etc to clean and lubricate .....it will dry off don't worry. If you can make sure you have good brush contact and the contacts in the solenoid are clean too the motor will have enough power to overcome any dirt between the armature and the outer case , remember it can start a Diesel engine! Any taping you do should be light with a plastic hammer to free up the brushes to get contact or the solenoid contacts only don't hit the outer case , sorry way to long a comment for something that happened a while ago . Glad you made it .cheers Warren
Ps the permenanet magnet type are generally smaller and 15% lighter.
100% right never hit with anything heavy I'd only lightly tap with the handle of a hammer and then not hard best bet take it apart and clean it if you think you need to hit it. it will crack the magnets even if you can't see cracks. also use a bit of emery cloth to clean copper commutators on the armature. and it at best is a temp fix to get you some place to get it rebuilt
Love this technical and non-technical explanation! I'm somewhere in the middle and understood a bit of both sides so really appreciate the lesson!
Unless they are now making brushless starter motors (which is entirely possible) the carbon you found in your starter is brush dust. Your brushes, if so equipped, are probably down to nothing and by the way that is the reason for the hammer start. It is because the brushes are barely touching the armature and if you tap it with the hammer, it will work for a short time. If you carry a spare set of brushes, it's an easy fix. Of course, this is all moot if you have a brushless motor. Great vid as always. Love how you find your own way through these repairs without any formal training or experience as engineers. You are living my dream too. Remember, you have a wealth of knowledge at your finger-tips.
Another sailing couple has a pair of HANDS-FREE (important) radios that they call their "marriage savers." They use them when docking, working on the mast, or just any time they otherwise would be shouting at each other. Such when doing engine work while underway.
Also... lifejackets.
Just started watching and you two are awesome......great footage and editing. Look forward to watching the whole series, possibly from day one.
But reading the comments, it's one thing to suggest and another to keep imposing what or not to do.
Yes, it may be dangerous to you but even crossing the street is. I am sure they can decide on their own.
90 degrees F and 73% humidity? Having lived for 8 or 9 years in Florida, I can tell you how unpleasant that can be. Wouldn't you really rather be sailing the Great Lakes right now?
Just watched the video of you two with Expedition Drenched in Niue. Can't wait to see the footage you guys got of that beautiful island.
Ugh. Some of these comments.... if you don’t have anything good or positive to say. Dont! You don’t need to criticize everyone and what they do. Jason and Nikki. Thanks for sharing. You guys are so sweet and I’m glad to see troubles and how you deal with them. Amy and I love you and are praying for you guys. Cheers
Thanks for the love!
I would never consider to buy a boat to sail around the world, but after watching your videos, it definitely an intriguing ideas. Your videos are an inspiration to the average joe. The quality of the videos and production value are top notch. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the love!
Hi, love the channel. Hitting the starter with a hammer serves no purpose!!! You just damage the perminant magnets around the starter casing, that is the bits your emptying out each time, as your megnets get broken up your starter becomes more problematic. I did see a fair bit of salt corrosion in the motor on strip out, so some bearing lube would be usefull, although i cant imagine why your getting corrosion in the unit. Hope all go's well.
_Hitting the starter with a hammer serves no purpose!_
Except when it causes the engine to start, assuming that is the goal, as it was here.
Do you know what would be even better than wearing a PFD and using a harness? Stay home. Sometimes calculated risks are what makes life worth living. But if anyone feels the need for safety equipment, by all means, use it.
Amen!
Wow was on the edge of my seat this entire video! Glad y'all made it safe and sound!
Don’t get an electric pump for your fuel refills, get a siphon hose instead. Here’s a random TH-cam review so you can see how it works: th-cam.com/video/azZc6xbvtoM/w-d-xo.html. And search Amazon and others for “super jiggly siphon hose” and you’ll find a host of them. I would expect French ship chandlers to carry them.
I’ve discovered your vlog recently. You have the most wonderful cinematography. Can’t imagine how extremely time consuming it must be but keep up the good work! It’s amazing and we hope to be sailing there soon too.
Way to stay positive all the time. (For the camera anyway) So beautiful! Love you guys
Great video. I spent a month on a 32' monohull in French Polynesia a few years ago, and this episode is tempting me to return! First time I ever had poisson cru au lait de coco was at Chez Lili in Avatoru; highly recommended!
I never got to see any hammerheads so I'm hoping you guys get/got to. Be safe. Cheers.
That starter needs new bushes. The rotor (rotating part inside) is dragging against the stator (the fixed part outside containing the windings). You will destroy it like this.
.. it might be already destroyed, though.
@@TheBlobik
Judging by how much carbon was in it when they cleaned it earlier, the brushes must have been worn down to stubs.
Looks as if they only used this engine with the bad brushes. Should of been on inventory in spares for such a journey. Anyone know of the engine make?
@@jjssbailey
It's a 37 hp Yanmar...don't bother screwing around with brush kits...just replace the whole starter...they only cost $190.
@@jjssbailey , It's a Yanmar if I'm not mistaken.
Skip the battery powered fuel pump. It would probably fail (or the batteies would be dead) when you need it most. Get a jiggle siphon. Simple. Dependable. A bit slow so get a 3/4" or a 1". Also the hose that most of them come with is terrible. Get two 5' section of reinforced vinyl hose and a nylon barb splice. Place the free end in the tank fill, the fuel jug higher and jiggle !
In an emergency, you could start one engine, then put the good starter on the other engine, to start it up.
Lots of work but you get both engines running. Need ear plugs though
Juicy juicy B-Roll
Awesome episode guys 🐙
I hate those new fuel can spouts, and I'm only filling the lawnmower.
you can buy vents and drill a hole and pop them in.n
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@@kapekodbob Good to know. Our gas mower died, so we bought an electric one. Dragging the cord behind you is like vacuuming the lawn, but I don't have to futz around with gas anymore.
@@kapekodbob You must not have any experience with those new "safety" cans. They have a vent, of course. The vent is in the spout. Even if you added a vent, you would still have to hold the slide on the spout. They are a new safty regulation. Actually, I find them to be more dangerous. When the pressure builds up in a can, you can just pop the vent in the old cans and the air will just escape. Just the other day, I was sprayed in the face with high pressure gas mist out of the spout from one those new "safety nozzles". I've never had one of the old dangerous cans spray gasoline all over my face.
They were supposed to keep you from spilling and polluting the environment. I've spilled more gas with those things than I ever spilled with the old kind and on top of that I get to be extra frustrated! Thanks environazis!
I bought a battery powered pump for my gas cans. I like it so much and it’s so much safer I actually got rid of the spouts on all my cans and just put caps on them. When I say safe, I mean I never spill a drop. The pump even automatically shuts off when it senses the tank your filling is full. It’s plenty fast too.
Highly recommended.
No life jackets?
Poor Jason! Those swells surely made him a bit sea sick. I don't enjoy you having troubles with your systems, but I do enjoy the reality of your life. Thanks for showing us the good and the bad!
Jason, buy a shaker siphon for fuel transfer, easy snd cheap...never fails. You guys are great.
Idea for refueling underway. Measure the outside diameter of the hose coming off the 5 gallon jug. Next time your in a supply store find flexible hose that will fit tightly over the existing spout. Not to long around a foot. Think about it.
I know what you mean about those cautionary tales (fear) and what they do to you. On the other hand, that is what also made you so focused on trying to get there during slack tide. It seems like it's always some game of walking the line between being educated but not overwhelmed. Well done!
A golden rule and an object lesson?
Here is some advice offered with the affection any old dad who would be proud to call a bloke like you son might suggest buddy;
Subject to rational economic constraint.
'It's better to have critical spares and not need them than need them but not have them'.
They are no good to you when needed if they are waiting in port somewhere so the 'I will get one at the next garage' mentality has no place on the open ocean and if anything will ultimately cost you more that way.
Critical parts like a spare starter motor and alternator for the diesel auxiliaries and spare brushes along with a new pump/membrane for your water maker should be at the top of your spares list.
Always, carry correct spares you can trust and by that I mean check them regularly to ensure they do not deteriorate while stored in the relatively harsh environment of a sea locker.
The only, carbon in a starter motor is the material from which the brushes in contact with the armature are made.
Comparatively large quantities of carbon you found in the casing of that starter such a short time after previously cleaning it during repair are not, normal and suggest the following.
The surface of the copper armature had become corroded and abrasive thereby drastically accelerating wear to the soft carbon brushes in contact with it when the starter was used.
Net result could be that the brushes may have become so worn so rapidly that they no longer provide current adequate to turn the starter.
That circumstance can be avoided by lightly polishing the surface of the armature with light grade emery tape.
Impacting the casing cannot, restore functionality to terminally worn brushes and prolonging or accelerating the blows will not help and might cause additional damage.
Restoring a starter in the condition yours was in to functionality the first time was a stroke of good fortune as much as anything else.
But I presumed a starter in that condition would have been completely overhauled at earliest opportunity rather than kept in service.
Conditions in the interior of the starter when you subsequently opened it suggest otherwise.
Spray from an aerosol can will not, provide adequate lubrication for the bushes/bearings at either end of the spindle shaft on which the windings for the starter rotate.
For that you need to apply whatever light oil or grease the manufacturer recommends in the manner they specify.
The only, thing striking a starter casing might achieve is to free up a stuck brush allowing it to resume better contact and therefore conductivity with an armature.
The quantity of powdered carbon present in the casing suggests the brushes may have been simply too worn to resume adequate function no matter how frequently or rapidly you belted it.
Although they are robustly built, it is possible to overheat starter motors and also the leads supplying power to them from a battery if the starter is cranked continuously for too long or if it is subject to excessive impedance while operating.
Under such circumstances temperatures can become high enough to damage other components in the motor such as soldered connections or thin insulation on the copper wire from which the rotor of the electric motor is wound.
If the latter happens you get a dead short and that, is the end of it because a new rotor is required.
Presuming the engines on your boat have been operating for around the same number of hours since one starter was in such poor condition it would be wise to service the other one, because it is possible the other starter is also in similar condition internally.
The last suggestion I have is to avoid getting grease or oil on the brushes or the surface of the armature if you service a starter because that can result in excessive impedance.
I hope that at least some of the advice is useful rather than perceived as slamming the barn door after the horse has bolted and therefore merely irritating mate.
Love your work guys. Great show as always.
The EPA hates us and makes those trashy safety nozzles you referred too. I use the old fashion siphon that you start with a small attached hand squeeze. No more risk of spills and you can purchase the length of hose for the siphon that best fits your boats diesel fill location. Good luck with that pesky starter..
Whoa! That was exciting. Well done Wynn's. You are truly sailors. Don't want to lose Jason--please put on a safety harness.
Never hit a permanent magnet starter like that with a hammer. You can crack the magnets and that will kill the starter. The "dirt" is rust and carbon from the brushes. If it was my craft I would order two new starters, then take the dead one and the working one out and have them rebuilt. Then you have spares.
I know you feel safe with your life jacket decision in rough seas but have you actually let your mind go down the rabbit hole of the predicament your lovely wife would be in if you were lost at sea. I'm sure you two have a plan for that. But please don't take the engineer approach to this plan of it always works on paper. The practical side of being skilled enough to run a boat safely solo is one thing. The will to do so while grieving is another. Clip on for group safety as a hole. And besides editing videos solo and sailing solo and fixing the boat while holding a camera solo would be a huge undertaking
Very nicely done guys! Always enjoy the vibe on your vlog😊.... that I ever mention our Scottie terrier is named Wyn?🥰😉👍
What an amazing couple you are! When one is feeling grim, the other is optimistic! You truly complement each other. Which can probably be annoying at times for you, but it’s what makes you so strong and brave. I’m constantly in awe and inspired by you two!
Thanks for the love!
Hi Jason - when you pull the starter you must check the brushes and clean or sand the commutator - thats the copper segmented bit on end of armature, check for how much brush is left and that they have good spring tension against comutator, they can be tricky to put back on, most have some way of holding brushes back to slip it on - a small hole that you can put a pin in etc, lso a good idea to check each segment on comutator for resistance- if one is out it will cause brush sparking and fast wear - cheers !
Hang in there you guyz, and thanks for keeping it real. 😎
Absolutely, Jason, those new style cans suck; really suck. And I am talking just here on land out in the boonies, not on the water. I know of no one who likes them. Not anyone who lives out and away and really uses them on a regular basis. A few years ago, we went to a local store that was getting the new style in but still had some of the old ones in stock...we bought them all; all of the old ones, that is.
As for the rocking and rolling at anchor:
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Why didn't you test the starter before you reinstalled it?
Enough with the safety rules to the world travelers from people sitting on their couches. Their lives, their choice.
Don't even get me started on seat belt and helmet laws.
Jason, your hair is looking good. Awesome vlog, Nikki you a champ behind the stearing😎. Boatlife!
Someone surely already said this, but if you needed both engines you could have moved the working starter over .........
You know what they say... it’s not an adventure until something goes wrong! ❤️
Nikki is cute when she is grumpy. Surprised you didn't have a spare starter or rebuild kit. Those are things you learn by book or by experience. Gotta be a NAPA store close by. Safe travel you four.
When you get the new starter, get the old one rebuilt and have it for backup.
Same with the alternator, water pump,and anything else that you can think of.
Judging from the looks of the starter, the bushings need to be replaced and the whole interrior of the starter needs to be cleaned. ALL of the iron particles need to be removed, and the bearings may need to be replaced.
A complete rebuild, but not total rewire.
you should only hit it with a hammer if it turns and doesnt engage the fly wheel (internally) you will know when this is happening because you will hear it turning but the teeth on the cog sometimes get worn and dont engage properly with the fly wheel and will give a burring sound trying to turn the fly wheel, hitting it will cause it to engage properly
You guys have great attitudes.
Love your videos too !
Wow the filming and opening shots were masterful! Nice work!
Needed: spare starter, and a full rebuild kit. Spare alternator, and a full rebuild kit. 2 Spare regulators.
Cheers folks
The parts store at the last atoll was out of stock
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You buy them before you leave your home port.
Same as you should buy spare alternators and regulators.
Carl Thor its called piss, poor, planning, no spare a bizillion miles from nowhere!
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To be fair...they haven't been at this long, and they're learning as they go along.
Neither of them had real experience on boats when they first started...they've come a long way and learned a hell of a lot.
@@sarahann530
Really?
Which episode did they replace their starters?
I won't hold my breath waiting for your answer.
Thank you both for persevering. Now fuel can spouts are designed to be inconvenient. Old school Wynns ! (pun intended )
Another great episode. Great story, great videography and editing. Also just checked your website. It’s amazingly one of the best and easiest to navigate. You have a remarkable positive attitude towards solving the on going challenges. Thanks and stay safe.
Awesome & thanks for the feedback!
Nice to spend Sunday with you, hope all is well and no more late nights. Sincerely, Chris -N- Danielle || Big Dreams
So cool to follow a full day with ups and downs. This is exactly what you were defending between mono or cat...two engins is safer. Point made 😂😁👍🏼
Yes but what a way to drive that point home. Those two will do anything to convince us lol
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I would coat any exposed electrical fittings with dielectric silicone grease to prevent corrosion/rust. Anything you see with corrosion, I would coat with dielectric grease after you get it clean to prevent it from corroding again. Boat manufacturers should do this from the factory since they know it will be in a salty environment but I guess if they want to cut corners.
Check the brushes. All that carbon is a sign of ware.
When U need to fuel at sea, take a hose, insert it into the neck on the jerrycan, make a seal around the hose with a piece of plastic, then blow air into the vent and the fuel will flow into the tank without any spill.
Jason, you have become a great diesel mechanic in a very short 2 years. I guess practice does make perfect. I also want to mention how I watched from the beginning of the sailing adventure when you walked onto a potential boat to purchase and I said to myself, "These two noobs are NEVER going to do this with any success. And you proved me wrong from the beginning. You have also become 2 of the best sailors I watch on TH-cam. You don't make too many mistakes from my vantage point in a recliner in front of the TV. (it's sure easy to sail from my chair, I haven't run aground yet !!!" ) Anyhow, it's been fun to watch your adventures. Thank you.
You are my spirit of my (much) younger self. Love all your adventures (sea and land)! Keep on exploring! Blessings to you to always remain safe.
Safety first Jason & Nikki. Even though it might not seem so rough, any time the boat has a non op motor, you should wear a life jacket/vest! Jason, you should have been wearing a safety harness also while refueling and stowing the canister away on the bow.
Beautiful beautiful beautiful. Love following your travels. Stay safe. 💙💙💙 Norm & Kim