What's My Line? - Stan Musial; Steve Allen; Steve Lawrence & Martin Gabel [panel] (Mar 8, 1964)
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- MYSTERY GUEST: Stan Musial; Steve Allen
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Steve Lawrence, Dorothy Kilgallen, Martin Gabel
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You can tell the woman who was the Band-Aid inspector took pride in her work.
Steve Allen appears and straight away it's joyous. Whistles, cheers, laughs, stories. All that and he only said THREE sentences. So well loved.
Steve Allen was even funnier as the mystery guest than his performance on the panel (and pretty funny on the panel).
When he answered 'yes I am' to the FIRST question, they all knew who it was.
So pleased to see Stan Musial. He passed away in 2013 after a long struggle with Alzheimer's disease. Much beloved in St. Louis, he always gave of his time, almost always agreed to give an autograph if asked. A recently constructed bridge over the Mississippi at St Louis is named for him. The bridge just opened in February of 2014.
I like the Ms. Henry who worked for Johnson & Johnson. She came ready to play the game.
YES..I just really liked her and her energy
Definitely agree! She was a joy to watch and listen to.
Back then, Band Aids were opened with a little red thread. And they came in a metal box.
Stan Musial is from my hometown, Donora, Pennsylvania. My parents were two years behind him. Though grew up a Pirate fan, we always pulled for Stan the Man!
Donora, Pennsylvania is also the home of Ken and Junior Griffey. Imagine hitting 600 home runs, and not being the best player in your hometown? That's how good Stan the man was
@@skontch1 Not only did Musial and both Griffeys come from Donora, PA, both Stan and Ken, Jr. were born on November 21 (1920 and 1969, respectively)
Griffey Junior used to quip that he was “the second best major leaguer born on Nov 21 in Donora”.
@@OldRustySteele, and GRIFFEY Senior's dad was considered a great youth player, and played with STAN THE MAN when they were both kids.
The turn with Mrs. Henry demonstrated that if only yes or no answers were given, without embellishment by Mr. Daly, the panel was most often stumped.
If Cerf had been on the panel, he would have prefaced his first question to Nancy Henry with, "Miss Henry, you are very attractive: do your good looks play any part in your occupation?"
Stan The Man was obviously exceptional on the baseball field. To show how exceptional, most baseball players appearing on this show were Yankees, who were still good and still had great players.
I'm not gonna bore non-sports fans with Musial's LONG list of records & stats, but to show what a great American heroes was , he joined the Navy AT THE TOP of his game, then resumed his MLB career at the end of the war, and promptly won ANOTHER batting title. 7 batting titles, 3 World Series rings, 24 All-Star games, and second only to legendary Cardinal batsman Rogers Hornsby for highest career team batting average. Two years before Mr. Musial died, he was awarded the
PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM. God Bless Stan The Man.
When discussing great ball players, it should always be remembered that nearly all men of Stan's generation lost years from their prime to serve in the military. Ted Williams must be mentioned as one who lost 3 full years as a fighter pilot in WW2 and, perhaps unfairly, lost nearly 2 more complete seasons to the Korean War. He still played 19 seasons, until 1960, and I wonder what else he'd had accomplished without losing 5 years of his prime.
It wasn't until a few years after I'd heard of him that I found out he's Polish like me. Also not to long ago I found out he'd been happily married for 70 years.
@@bluecamus5162He was training as an aviator during WWII, and was a flight instructor after he was commissioned. His real action was what he saw in Korea. He very well may have reached 700 home runs, if he continued to play for as long as he did. He likely lost the. MVP award in 1942 (when he won his 1st triple crown) because he argued against his draft re-classification, and was able to play in 1942. He promised to join the Navy after the season, and the rest is history. I’m sure that this contributed to his hatred for the press, as well as for Quaker products, as they stopped sponsoring him over it.
So sweet how Steve Lawrence and Steve Allen hugged.❤
Those two Steves on the same stage at the same time causes some sort of cosmic magic.
It's great to see Dorothy looking so great in this episode! 😍
Agree, many times her hair style seems hit n miss.
This was a wig.
Steve allen and Jane Meadows were 2 peas in a pod.. were made for each other...god bless.. Steve Lawrence I was great also
A great Kennedy-Musial story: The two men were fairly close in age. When campaigning in 1960, Kennedy stopped by a Cardinals game in St. Louis. When introduced to Musial he said "Stan, they say I'm too young to be President and you're too old to play ball. Let's show 'em." A few years later the All-Star Game was being played in Washington and President Kennedy was there to throw out the ceremonial first pitch. From the field, Musial - who was still playing for the Cardinals - shouted to Kennedy "I guess we showed 'em, Mr. President!" Kennedy head this, laughed and pointed to Musial.
Love that story, thank you! I'm from St. Louis...there has never been (nor will there ever be) a more revered figure in St. Louis than Stan the Man.
Stan the Man: one of the top 10 hitters of all time, and a delightful man.
In this sense, his career was a blessing in disguise. He was not recruited by the Cards for his hitting. Musial was a pitcher. But he injured himself early on and was not going to make it in baseball. He was totally distraught as you can imagine. Then they considered him as a hitter. The rest is history.
Yep, STAN MUSIAL was my late Dad's favorite player. And as my Dad always said..MUSIAL never upper cut the ball, he had a level swing and did not try to kill the ball when he was swinging, either.
He "only" hit .331 lifetime with 3631 hits..with 475 homers, lifetime.
Check out his OPS AND ON BASE PCT, AND SLUGGING PCT.
Not bad for a self-professed "singles hitter"..
Check out his doubles and triples, too.
Only GEORGE BRETT, and HANK AARON, with BRETT my favorite player of all time, hit that many doubles or more and that many triples, or more post-1960..oh and 317 homers for BRETT, too in a non-hitters park.
Both STAN AND GEORGE could hit to all fields.
Today, launch angle, uppercutting and hitting the ball up the middle are considered the correct approach.
MUSIAL never did any of that. He disapproved hitting up the middle. He could pull or go the opposite way.
Like G. Brett, he rarely struck out, too, especially rarely taking the pitch or ripping at it without protecting the plate with two strikes on him.
They were both exciting everytime they were in that batter's box.
Both were left handed and featured extremely closed stances.
Both MUSIAL AND BRETT along with TED WILLIAMS, JOE DIMAGGIO, HANK AARON, ROBERTO CLEMENTE, PETE ROSE, WADE BOGGS, ROD CAREW, PAUL MOLITOR, ICHIRO SUZUKI(mostly a singles and triples hitter), ALBERT PUJOLS, TONY GWYNN, MANNY RAMIREZ, and DEREK JETER were the only players post-1935 to have a dozen or more
.300 AVG. full seasons, with
WILLIAMS of course, producing the only .400 season.
Stan Musial was not only one of the greatest ballplayers of all time, he was also known as an excellent businessman (Stan and Biggie's restaurant in St. Louis) and a fine gentleman who was an all around nice guy. The fans in Brooklyn were among the most partisan in baseball, but they were also among the most knowledgeable. It was those same fans who gave him his enduring nickname, "Stan the Man" as a way of applauding their honorable opponent.
Dodgers fans also knew how Stan stood up for their own Jackie Robinson in his rookie season of 1947. When a number of Southern players on the Cardinals threatened to go on strike rather than play against Jackie, Stan refused to support them. Without the team's biggest star on board and under threat of being suspended, the strike talk evaporated.
Stan also helped diffuse a potentially explosive situation involving Robinson later that year. Cardinal players, especially Enos Slaughter, were going after Robinson as if to intentionally injure him. One time Slaughter who had been thrown out easily on a ground ball, spiked Robinson on the thigh after the play at first base. Later, Robinson reached first base and knowing he couldn't get Slaughter directly because Enos played outfield, he said out loud that he didn't care who was covering second base. When he got down there he was going to tear that Cardinals player up with his spikes. Robinson later recounted that such a play would have been going back on his promise to Branch Rickey to hold his temper, and that it might have ended blacks playing in the major leagues for decades.
Musial told Robinson that he wouldn't blame Jackie if he did so, that he'd be totally justified in doing so. Robinson later recalled that Musial's words totally cooled off his anger. Now placated, the potential spiking retaliation never happened and Robinson continued to blaze the way for other blacks to enter the major leagues.
Therefore, as a lifelong Dodger fan, I was not only thrilled to see Stan Musial as a Mystery Guest, I found it especially fitting that the next challenger was black.
Wow, thanks for sharing. :)
Great information!
Born in 1953 in St. Louis with Cardinal memories that begin with the 1960 season I really enjoyed reading your story. Stan Musial has been the biggest St. Louis celebrity of my lifetime. Thanks for sharing.
Oh please. Robinson got more grief playing up north. "December 1, 1952, five years after he broke the color barrier for the Brooklyn Dodgers, Jackie Robinson went on television and called the New York Yankees racist.
“There isn’t a single Negro on the team now, and there are very few in the entire Yankee farm system,” Robinson said. Asked by the New York Times to follow up the next day, Robinson continued, “It seems to me the Yankees front office has used racial prejudice in its dealings with Negro ball players.
You have to be a white NE liberal. Every single time a black person is on you have to mention race.
He's THE MAN!
Stan Musial was indeed a great hitter. But on a trip to the Baseball Hall of Fame, I learned that this was an accident. Musial was not signed by the Cardinals for his hitting. He was brought up as a pitcher. He was injured early in his career, could no longer pitch, and appeared to be washed up. He was naturally distraught. Then the Cards tried him out as a hitter. The rest is history. His injury turned out to be a blessing in disguise.
At 12:40 Arlene's question about "from the waist up" gets a Yes answer, as does "from the neck up" a bit later. John should have clarified with a "Could be" both times in order to be fair.
The panelists can always ask whether the product can be worn anywhere on the body or whether it could be worn "only" above or below the waist. "Could be" would still leave ambiguity, as the product "could be" worn below as well.
What a discovery WML was. I have watched many episodes, some over again, never tiring of them having complete admiration for Arlene. Dorothy, Bennett and JD. Elegance, charm, wit, class, poise and sophistication at a level that has now sadly become extinct, plus equally classy regular guest panelists, Steve Allen, Fred Allen, Joey Bishop, Martin Gabel, Buddy Hackett and many more. Well-spoken contestants who took pride in their appearance and the work they did. Seeing the stars of yesteryear as mystery guests makes me realise just what talent I missed out on compared with today's so-called celebrities drawn from the tacky world of reality TV. Every episode is a gem.
The operative word for this show is "urbane."
Your comment echoes my feelings to a "T". No show makes me smile more than WML. And that's a good thing.
@@dennisbedard9850 Even the everyday people were polished, mannerly, articulate. Where did we go wrong?
Stan Musial, one of the great legends of the game who passed away just a year ago. 3,630 hits remains fourth all time behind Rose, Cobb and Aaron.
epaddon
Wasn't there a period of several weeks one year during the show when Bennett kept expecting Stan Musial to show up? --And now he finally does, and Bennett's not there. I'll bet he was sorry to miss him.
+epaddon
He had to think about the position he played, because, while he did play primarily first base for the Cardinals for a number of years in the 1950s, he played primarily outfield for most of his seasons with them (including his last 3 years on the team).
@@savethetpc6406 , in the episode with Casey Stengel, I know Bennett mentioned that he had been waiting awhile for him. Maybe that's who you're thinking of?
+jmccracken1963
Another possible reason for the hesitation is that he had retired at the end of the 1963 season so technically he didn't play any positions at this point. But you are correct that he shifted between first base and outfield during his career, in part depending upon where the Cardinals needed him and in part on his physical skills at the time.
1815 of those hits he had were done at home, and 1815 on the road. The man indeed
Steve Lawrence’s had his biggest hit around this time: Go Away Little Girl, which I had on 45 rpm.
I remember Stan Musial hitting hit out of the park in St. Louis when I was a kid then when going back to the dugout no high-fives, no 'victory dances' or any of that. Just that dignity of a man whose done his job.
This episode was the first in which JFK's passing is referenced since he was assassinated.
John here makes a reference to "the late President", their first mention of the event since it happened.
Stan the Man from my hometown of Donora,Pa.
Later this year, Steve would take over as host of "I've Got A Secret" and his next mystery guest appearance in October 1964 marks the only time John blows the whole segment by inadvertently giving the guest's name.
When CBS canceled "The Gary Moore Show," Gary Moore stepped away from show business, and he left "I've Got A Secret," so CBS was forced to find a new host and they selected Steve Allen.
For anyone wondering, no, nothing was cut from the opening. Not even by GSN. This was how the episode originally aired. There was no visible sponsor. According to Gil Fates' production logos, Geritol was the sponsor that night.
A clear sign of things to come later that same year when they would do away with sponsors on the set.
GEEZ Steve Lawrence, get a clue about the use of the double negative!!
LOL I about crawled out of my skin.
Having grown up in the 60s Arlene and Dorothy's style of dress and hair and cosmetology I was more accustomed to, made each woman especially attractive in this episode. Of course watching this as a kid Arlene struck me as "old" when watching her live; what a treat it is to watch some 58 years later and be struck by Arlene and Dorothy's beauty -- both external and internal. They were both not only supremely intelligent and graceful but also quick-witted and had an endearing quality to them. Nice to be of retirement age looking back at Arlene and Dorothy in their prime, to realize how stunning those two ladies were.
They both has beautiful necks and shoulders. Dorothy was so dainty. Arlene just got better and better looking.
Mrs. Henry seemed like a very nice lady
She was also very poised, an excellent spokesperson for her company and very knowledgeable about the ins and outs of WML in terms of the nuances of how to answer questions.
I think she had a very sweet smile
In the fall of 1964, Steve would begin traveling from Los Angeles to New York every other week to host two episodes of "I've Got a Secret" (one taped and one live). The show was also produces in the same theater as "What's My Line?".
How many of you fellas knew that "Band-Aid" is a brand name? Often to protect their trademark, they refer to them as "Band-Aid" brand bandages. There are lots of other adhesive bandages on the market. Kind of like Vaseline.
Joe Postove
Yup, and Martin used "jello" generically in the very same episode (during the honey segment). What other major companies make petroleum jelly, Joe? I've seen store brands and generic brands, but is there any other national name brand besides Vaseline?
SaveThe TPC K-Y comes to mind.
What's My Line?
K-Y is a glycerin-based product; it is not petroleum jelly.
SaveThe TPC I'm not up on my jellies, it seems.
SaveThe TPC"Royal Gelatin" was Rudy Valee's sponsor. Ever tried that? Not me. I'm a squishy jello man!
Stan the Man seemed like a real, real nice man.
Only Steve Allen: Are you appearing on Broadway? Only in front of my hotel!!! What a great answer!!!!!
Wow! John mentioned the concern about youth not being interested in physical fitness. I wonder what he would think today, now that the average 11 year old weighs 200lbs!
WOW! To be able to see the famous Stan Musial...thank you
Steve Allen was mystery guest quite a few times . Lol great
One of the most intelligent men ever on TV.
A very funny guy
Steve Allen was the best. ❤
I met Mr.Musial at a PSA presentation and I shook his hand in the lobby at Barnes Hospital in St Louis,MO.He asked if I wanted his autograph and I replied no,I would just like to speak with you and we did for over a half hour.Mr.Musial was the most enjoyable,fun person to speak with, spend time with that I have Ever had in my life.Musial was and still remains a Great human being!!!!⚾⚾⚾⚾⚾⚾⚾⚾⚾
What a great find on TH-cam. Two old favorites with the What's My Line show and Stan the Man Musial. Very good guess of him. Stan had just retired from his final season in 1963. Born in 1953 in STL I think he was the biggest celebrity in St. Louis during my lifetime. He lived a long life and part of St. Louis for many years to come after this aired.
Stan was only 10 years old when he retired? I suspect the typo Gremlins have gotten to you.
@@alliseburris566 Good point. I was the one seeing him at 42 though my 10 year old eyes. Stan was born in Donora, PA.
15:20: “I’d like to be the first one in fourteen years to give up.” ~Steve Lawrence :D
Even the illustrations at the beginning and end of the program were so clever and creative.
Apropos of "What Makes Sammy Run?", since it was mentioned in Arlene Francis's introduction of Steve Lawrence and in John Daly's banter with Steve:
I'll say that "What Makes Sammy Run" was a big hit!!!!! It opened at the 54th Street Theatre on Thursday, 27 February 1964, and had a run of 540 performances before closing on Saturday, 12 June 1965 - hence Steve Lawrence's availability during that run for occasional guest panelist appearances on WML? And Steve Lawrence played Sammy Glick for basically the whole run of the show (except for a one-week vacation in mid-July 1964, during which week Paul Anka played Sammy Glick). Other principals in the cast included Robert Alda, Sally Ann Howes, George Coe, Mace Barrett, Walter Klavun, and Bernice Massi. (Barry Newman, then only 25 years old, played Sheik Orsini.) Abe Burrows directed the production, and Matt Mattox directed the musical numbers, with sets and lighting designed by Herbert Senn and Helen Pond and costumes designed by Noel Taylor. The music director was Lehman Engel.
While Budd Schulberg's novel had never been made into a big-screen movie before finding its way to the stage as a musical (unlike "I Can Get It For You Wholesale," which had been made into an excellent movie in 1951), it had been dramatized for television twice. The first time was a one-hour adaptation by Paddy Chayefsky for the first season of "The Philco-Goodyear Television Playhouse," and it aired on Sunday, 10 April 1949. Jose Ferrer played Sammy Glick, with other cast principals being Philip Borneuf, Phyllis Hill, Howard Smith, Doe Avedon, and Lou Gilbert. (John Marley was also in the cast.) Fred Coe directed.
The second time was a two-hour adaptation by Budd Schulberg and Stuart Schulberg (they also collaborated on the book for the Broadway show), which aired in two parts on the 2nd and 3rd weeks of NBC's "Sunday Showcase," on 27 September 1959 and 4 October 1959. Larry Blyden (future WML? guest panelist (on CBS) and host (in syndication)) played Sammy Glick. The excellent ensemble cast included John Forsythe, Norman Fell, Sidney Blackmer, Dina Merrill (WML? Mystery Guest and panelist), Barbara Rush (who, I think, would appear on syndicated WML?), David Opatoshu, Horace McMahon, Milton Selzer, Jay Lawrence, Monique Van Vooren, and Earl Wilson (as himself). Delbert Mann directed.
I rarely watch a game show, but if this is on at present time I wouldn't miss an episode.
I loved John Daly s personality. He seem so nice.
Stan "the Man"musial
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Stan Musial seemed like such a gentleman; a good looking one too!
Stan Musial was nice looking and seemed like quite the gentleman
OMG this was a funny one i love this show for some enjoyment,with all the bad thats going on in the world today just go here and it will make you laugh.
Arlene Francis was stunningly beautiful at age 56!
Funny how Mr. Daly thanked Stan Musial for staying up so late to be on the show, it was at 10:30 p.m. I guess that was considered very late back in the day. Well my mom had our bedtime for 8 p.m. so I guess even for adults that was kinda late.
I always wonder why, when the guest contestant answers yes to the question about whether the product can be worn from the waist up, the panel doesn't ask if it can also be worn from the waist down, instead of working from the waist up.
always helps to put the word "only" in the question, or to ask whether it can be worn anywhere on the body
Band Aid- someone who works with an orchestra!
The shot in which his name is on screen was used on Busch Stadium's pre-grame graphics a couple years ago.
The first “Stan the Man”
3630 hits. 1815 home. 1815 away.
Is that good?
One more "What's My Line?" connection to "What Makes Sammy Run?":
The music and lyrics for "What Makes Sammy Run?" were written by Ervin Drake, who had had a big hit with the song "I Believe" in the early 1950s. The song was written originally for Jane Froman (a WML? Mystery Guest back then - I think on Hal Block's last episode as a panelist), who premiered the song on her television show, before becoming a much bigger hit when recorded by Frankie Laine (another WML? Mystery Guest of the time) for Columbia Records (when Mitch Miller (yet another WML? Mystery Guest - in fact, a couple of times) was the pop-music head of A&R for Columbia).
In 1961, Drake wrote the song "It Was A Very Good Year," which was first recorded that year by Bob Shane and the Kingston Trio (1963 WML? Mystery Guest) for their album "Goin' Places" on Capitol Records. That song would become a mega-hit in 1965, when Frank Sinatra (WML? Mystery Guest a couple of years in the future) recorded it for his album "September of My Years," on Reprise Records.
"Six Degrees of "What's My Line?"", anybody?
Great player!
Stan the man was a was a superstar.. A class act for Cardinals
oh no, they had steve allen in the first breath!
Bambi Harris
His voice was clearly recognizable, despite his attempt to disguise it.
SaveThe TPC oh i know, but its a shame, i would have loved to have seen him fool them!
Honey does not need to be refrigerated
Steve Allen was so popular with both the audience and the panel. This episode was a joy to watch. 24:05
I bet Bennett was mad he missed the baseball player.
Why didn't anyone ask Steve Allen if he was bigger than a breadbox?! :-)
That last guy was way too handsome to be wasting his time on honey! :-P
Reluctant Dragon
Bennett missed two of his favorites on this vacation of his -- Debbie Reynolds the previous week and now Stan Musial.
Probably not as mad as Arlene, who was a major baseball fan
Steve was asked before on his previous appearances. I believe Arlene said it once.
Steve Lawrence made a joke about Band Aid being a person who works with an orchestra. John Daly compared that to Bennet Cerf's terrible puns, but in fact it was better and unrehearsed because Mr Lawrence didn't know the word Band Aid was coming up. I missed Bennet Cerf's careful questioning but his humour is so laboured that it's funny to see him offer it as comedy. How times and tastes have changed.
Roly And Me. - Oh! Band Aid. Now I get it. Jeez, how slow I am.
Steve Lawrence kept asking, "Can I rule out that it is not...". And he never understood Daly's problem with that syntax.
Hey spot the collarless Beatle-esque jacket on Dorothy. :)
Sequence two was the first thing I ever saw on the Game Show Network. A friend had cable and in the early 90s; GSN broadcast WML in prime time. A classic of a contestant probably brought to WML by a corporate public relations officer;
And right in line with "The times, they are a-changin'" - as was Geri Whittington a couple of months earlier.
To be perfectly fair, "What's My Line?" had had black Mystery Guests even in its earliest years - and some black "ordinary Joe/ordinary Jane" contestants back then, too.
Steve signs in as Ted Mack (for you kids, he was the host of TV's Original Amateur Hour for many years...kind of America's Got Talent with a little class) and I'm wondering if Ted Mack was ever on the show. If not, he should have been. He was on from the 40's to 1970.
Check out the commercial about three minutes into the Feb. 9 and Feb. 23, 1964 shows. Ted Mack speaks on behalf of Geritol; I think it's the same filmed commercial. So Steve Allen's joke sign-in probably referred to that sponsorship. It would have been a nice twist to have him both live and on film in the same show!
Stam Musial was a great player and one of the nicest man and gentleman. Not like the low lives of today and the last 25 years.
Messrs. Allen and Lawrence--two Steve's for the price of one!
Steve Allen had also been a regular panelist so it would have been really hard to get away with disguising his voice.
He always uses the same voice. Hell, I would have guessed him right away ;/
I always thought Steve Allen was cute, and I always liked his voice. I have seen several eps of this but not when new. I was an infant during 1961.
Musial was the GM of the Cards that season, the year after he retired. They won the World Series.
Actually he was a Vice President of the team from Sept. 1963 to 1966. In 1967 he was appointed General Manager but resigned before even a full year because his business partner died and he needed to spend a lot more time running his restaurant and other ventures.
And 1967 was the year that the St. Louis Cardinals won the World Series for the first time in 31 years, beating the same team they had beaten in 1946: the Boston Red Sox.
+jmccracken1963
Actually they also won the World Series in 1964 (beating the Yankees) as +Chris Barat pointed out earlier in this thread.
That Mr. Wilson was nice looking. ❤
Stan the Man
Steve the Allen is such a talented guy. But he cannot disguise his voice The shame!
Ha-too weird. I posted my comment and called Steve Allen Steve the Allen, as he just suits it, and then perused the comments below...you Steved the Allen first!!
Wild weird stuff!
***** You can have Jack Paar if you like!
*****
Only true "What's My Line?" fans, no doubt from the influence of our magnanimous and mellifluous John the Charles, would post TH-cam comments using words such as "perused." Ha - I love it!
Keep on watching (and playing), Jasmine, along with Bennett the Cerf, the Misses Arlene and Dorothy, and also sometimes with Fred & Steve the Allens, Hal the Block, and later Suzy the Knickerbocker, Phyllis the Newman, or Sue the Oakland.
Some irregulars reading this might think we're from Mars, But we know about that which we are referencing.
I have been hoping for years a revival of "What's My Line?" could be produced, doesn't matter which network, but back on at 10:30 p.m. Sunday evenings as a fun and relaxing, as well urbane and witty way to end the weekend and begin a new week. But I just don't think our world has the same intelligent and interesting persons to comprise a pool of Mystery Guests, nor even as many cosmopolitan creatures inhabiting the same relative culture as those original Goodson-Todman panels. Add to that the fact the general viewing audience is less intellectual and in possession of much shorter attention spans than persons of mid-20th Century America. Even the average high school graduate of, say, 1960, shared essentially the same culture and schooling of one another (when learning of Latin in public schools was required), read the same novels (those required in school as well popular ones), knew the popular American songbook canon, Broadway tunes, etc. We are a much less educated, more crude and disparate society in the 21st Century, even despite our technological advances.
gymnastix *Blushes* after perusing (!) your witty, elegant comment! I haven't watched What's My Line for aeons, I got sucked into the intoxicating vacumn ofJerry Lewis films and music videos. Its always there though, like that favourite black dress you love and wear on special occasions, but forget temporarily about when indulging in a new one!
I am an ex journalist and have a degree in Literature, so whilst undoubtedly Messrs Daly and Co have an influence, my writing style has always been, I hope, stylish and intelligent, with a good shake of the salt of humour.
Steve the Allen is a perennial favourite (I almost cried laughing and dislodged my contact lenses in the process laughing at his autobiography, particularly when he and his family thought the War of the Worlds radio announcement was real, and there was a real war on, the pandemonium that ensued).
You are precisely right about a contemporary What's My Line not working, very few rehashes work as well as the first, the pizazz and sparkle of the panel and guests would be replaced by crude humour and men in jeans/women in very little, with dull, boy and girl next door celebrities that is de rigeur today.
I think there are many people like ourselves who would enjoy a new version, but finding the panel and guests would be tough. Also the way it would be filmed with cut and paste MTV style attention span of a gnat filming, even colour filming I think would spoil the elegant feel of the show. It had little in the way of special effects, because the panel are what made it special, and the talk. Today it would be overawed by ludicrous flashy graphics and bleepy modern theme music.
Imagine bringing the venerable panel from then into todays TV? How would they fare?
The last part of your comment is really poignant and sadly oh so pertinent. I too feel the more we technologically progress the more society and human beings retrogress. That is why by and large I prefer and feel I would belong better in a relatively modern but still sophisticated world of the 40s and 50s. Everything, more or less, that I like and feel comfortable with is old school, manners, dress, actors, actresses, films, et al. I even look old fashioned!
Maybe you are the same?
I really enjoyed reading your well thought out and elucidating comment, and carry on enjoying one of the best shows to come out of a TV set!
BTW I will post my two What's My Line? paintings on my Google + page- you may like them. My website is listed on my page too- don't want to post it here as not sure putting links in here is appropriate.
I am wondering if this is the only time a regular guest (not the MG) was African-American. She was delightful, BTW.
I have run across a few episode with African American regular guest. unlike this guest most had a job that was not so every day person as she did. I can't remember the first one, but in 60 was the first one I came across. John Fickin was on the show , he was the head butler at the White House at the time.
Not even remotely close
She was indeed delightful, and she had such a great smile.
Joseph LaCerra - I am so glad my favorite tv program has such diverse guests. Even in the non-mystery guest segment
She had a wonderful smile 😊😀!!!
Since it's my favorite sport, my favorite mystery guests are always the baseball players!
Steve Lawrence kept saying "may I rule out that it is not..." when he apparently meant "may I rule out that it is...." You have to be more careful about your wording with John Daly as the moderator! 🙂
Steve at 15:55: do they know it's Christmas 😊
Poor Steve; he could never succeed as a mystery guest.
Golly. The women in beautiful gowns and white glones, and the men in tuxedos. We live in a very different time.
The next person to say something bad about Stan Musial will be the first person to say something bad about Stan Musial.
I had never heard of him.
When the question was asked about can it be on the face, the answer should have been “It could be.” Was misleading when they thought it was supposed to be worn on the face. I don’t know why John Daley didn’t correct it.
I've seen the other 3 with Steve (when he has his own show, when he is still on WML and when the host accidentally reveals him) but not this one.
It's wild to think Dorothy would be dead just two years later.
LIVE FROM NEW YIRK
So this episode is Sunday night at 10:30 PM, in New York City at a Broadway studio.
brings back the good ole days of coathanger antennae and tin foil..
I see John Daly missing Bennett Cerf
Remember John, its Lawrence not Allen this time 😂❤
That's the first time I've heard someone on this show call it Yonkers ❤
GO CARDS!!! Also where's Bennett?
bigoldinosaur
Bennett was on vacation -- and was probably sorry to miss Stan Musial.
He was in South America (see 16:07). By the way, I like your profile picture.
These people dress like going to a ball. Classy back then.
Steve Lawrence is still around October 4, 2023.
But he has dementia and does not recognize anything, including his own identity.
What does Steve say at 17:50? I went through it several times and I still cannot make out his words.
He says "Upon occasion," in reply to DK's question "Have you ever been a member of this panel?"
I don't know from baseball. Was this Stan person any good?
soulierinvestments
Very 👍
Better than Mickey Mantle, whether the majority wants to believe it or not.
+soulierinvestments
He was elected to baseball's Hall of Fame the first time he was eligible to appear on the ballot. Not only did he have great individual seasons, he had longevity, playing until he was just shy two months shy of his 43rd birthday and he still played regularly in his final season. In his penultimate season at age 41, he was third in the National League in batting average, coming close to winning his 8th National League batting title. When he retired, he held National League career records in six categories and had the second best mark in a seventh.
A batting average of .300 or better is considered excellent. Musial batted .331 for his entire career and over .300 in his first 16 full seasons (missing 1945 because of WWII and not counting 1941 when he made his debut at the end of the season and batted .426 in limited action) and in 17 seasons total. His best in a single full season was .376.
The baseball headlines were dominated in the 1940's and 1950's by two names: Stan Musial in the National League and Ted Williams in the American League. Other than a large group of Cincinnati Redlegs players that WML had on as Mystery Guests in 1956, all the other major league players who were MG's were either players on a current NY team or on a team that had moved from NY to the West Coast ... with the exception of Musial (St. Louis for his entire major league career) and Williams (Boston for his entire career in the majors).
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@@loissimmons6558 Well, it would be hard to say that Joe DiMaggio did not dominate baseball headlines in the 1940s.
Mrs. Henry looks like my mom's caregiver.
It's hard for Steve Allen to discice his voice.
Embarrassing when as an interviewer you try to get your guest to tell a story and the guest does not know the story. Toots may have been talking about someone else.
Maybe you need to rewatch this one. Stan did know the story.
"WML" without Bennett Cerf, eh? He must've been on vacation at the time this episode was filmed.
I knew there was a reason why I was enjoying this ep so much! 😂
Since it's not baseball season so the panel isn't tipped off by who the visiting teams to NY are, I'm trying to figure out how Martin guessed Stan Musial with the very first guess out of all of the hundreds of players in professional baseball. And actually he was a retired player which should have made it even harder. Did I miss something that pointed him in that direction?
+Jeff Vaughn Yes-- you forgot the show was rigged.
;)
What's My Line?
Ah yes, I forgot it was the professional wrestling of network game shows! ;)
+Jeff Vaughn John said he'd been appointed by the president to run a fitness program, so I'm guessing he'd been in the news recently.
doug w
Could be, however he was retired. There would have been countless current or future Hall of Fame caliber players such as himself not from either coast that would have been retired or active (since they didn't determine the MG was retired), i.e. Ernie Banks, Hank Greenburg, Lou Boudreau, Eddie Matthews, etc., etc. Just to name a few. I just thought it odder they chose him since he had retired. I would have thought most would have been guessing active players. I don't think they were tipped off, I was just pointing out that I just thought it interesting that of the dozens (or even hundreds) they could have chose from that he was the first guess.
Indeed, 1963 was his last season. As an interesting sidelight, in his last plate appearance, he grounded out, and the player who recorded the out was a rookie named Pete Rose.
What sport, even wrestling and soccer, does not use equipment? Running? Ah, shoes. I'm on a nitpik picnik ( I maintain my right to misspell words)!
Joe Postove
You get a bit giddy when you're overtired, don'tcha, Joe? ;)
SaveThe TPC I once got overtired at a Firestone Store, and boy was I round.
Joe Postove Clearly, you've been watching/listening to Bennett Cerf too long! ;)
SaveThe TPC Yes :>(
Joe Postove
I caught that too, Joe.