How can one claim that this is a serious exploration of the postmodern themes in Total Recall when the woman with three breasts isn’t discussed AT ALL?!
Alison was one of my professors when I was earning my PhD. I think I took a film and prosthetic memory class with her. Crazy to see her theory pop up in my feed.
Surprised that this video only talked about video games once (and it was just doom). Certain games force you into the shoes of that character, making decisions as them, in essence almost formulating that immersion as a sort of prosthetic memory in itself. Unfortunately this is usually hampered by mechanics such as a clearly indicated morality system, where the game judges your actions, functionally extracting yourself out of the equation rather than existing in said world as that character.
I think this "benevolent" shaping of collective memories, that Landsberg envisions, would and in fact does include the "memory holing" of certains events and realities so as to aid in forming a worldview and an identity most beneficial to the class or group of people holding power and those weaving the memories. This can be used to stifle or to even possibly totally eliminate the possibility of revolt or change. I would also argue that comodifying culture by necessity includes bringing it down, transforming it to achieve the maximum and the widest appeal, because this leads to greater sales and revenue to the publisher.
Only the actions it produces makes it benevolent. She certainly doesn't argue shaping memories is good in general, or even that most applications would be good. I often see lefties bring up that the powerful have more power, therefore endorsements of this or that method of using power always serves them more. So don't endorse them neutrally. Ends justify means.
This is meta, we have all been implanted with the fake memory of watching this video for the first time and only now is Jonas actually uploading it just to fuck with us and prove a point
1:35 in Prisoners of Power, a novel by Strugatsky brothers, main hero during some point of living on the planet, where he has suffered a spaceship crash, encounters the show where memories of various "freaks" are being shown for entertainment. And one of the memories shown was actually his memory scanned by the dystopian government some time before (though on that planet all governments are dystopian).
Great video as always, i really enjoy your analysis. Could you, however, add your bibliography in the description ? I'm browsing your channel for references and it would really help me save time if you did so. Thank you -- and looking forward your next video !
This reminds me of "Rifters" by Peter Watts. The basic premise is that people are modified to live and work at the very bottom of the ocean. One of the characters has their memory altered to better suit the environment. Won't say how because spoilers, but it's messed up.
I find it interesting when people tie themselves (or their tongues) in knots attempting to pronounce one name, like an "authentically" French pronunciation of Baudrillard, yet happily resorting to a natural, English language pronunciation of Schwarzenegger, not feeling a need to give it a touch of Austrian inflection. 🤔
This memory implant theme (first encountered in the anime *Space Pirate Cobra* ) resembles a lot to *Time Travel Movies* . Usually the protogonist follows a mysterious character who turns out to be himself that traveled through time. And the paradox is if he may kill himself in the past. Similarly the protogonist may never be sure if his previous memories were erasen by his own will. And even may try to 'remember' or 'day-dream' memories as if time travelling. This time however it is quite easy to override his previous determination with He-Man attitude: 'I have the POWER' and no paradoxes whatsoever. But still you may not kill yourself after time travelling and get away with it easily. Similarly God and Adam (or say Mars owner and previous body-holder) may not be such easily discarded as in the movie.
"first encountered in the anime Space Pirate Cobra" The short story that Total Recall is based on precedes the Cobra manga by some 12 years, and it probably wasn't the first story with implanted memories too
The more I learn about theorists and philosophers placed under the umbrella of postmodernism the less it feels like a mode of thought and the more it feels like an undeniable state of being that society is involved in and the philosophers and theorists themselves are simply trying to guide us through and get to the next point in time, in other words it feels strange to call them postmodernists because it feels like they specifically are trying to get us out of postmodernism
I don't see how a memory of watching a movie ISN"T a memory of lived experience, namely, one's experience of watching a film. One still can only view it from one's own perspective.
He meant it in the sense that you are passively sitting down to experience the movie, not actively contributing to that experience. It wouldn't have to change the emotions you felt, just saying.
I might be missing the point as a newbie to this topic, or just stating the obvious, but it feels like most of what we learn in a modern education and in news media is prosthetic - we did not experience it, just told to remember It Happened This Way. Which makes the fight between Conservative Parent vs. "Brainwashed" College Kid Now Leaning Left all the more ironic. As if the parent's memories are that much more dependable...
Not at all. Sounds cool though! What're your memories like? all of my early memories involve crying though, lol. And i have one of a speechless recurrent dream that just gives me the creeps.
I hardly see how cultural appropriation and comodification could in any way be liberating or render culture universal. Popular culture =/= Mass culture
But there _is_ one culture that would become universal: be born, work, consume, die. That doesn't matter whether you live in say, Norway or in Pakistan. Pretty much the while world has been conquered by capital nowdays. The only good part about is more like a happy accident: that at least that defintely means the working-class is worldwide and thus will have similar experiences of alienation and decay. Arguably it could have happened even without that (iirc Marx in the years before his death for example was looking into the Russian Mirs and how the capitalist stage could be bypassed) but now there's no doubt about that, at least.
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You know the idea of prosthetic memories being used to teach empathy is what happened to me, but it was through, ironically enough, reading old books instead
1. The usage of empathy is IMHO not correct. Empathy is the capability of understanding someone else his fate and the projection it could happen to one self. 2. Going back in time, the question of authenticity and identity was not relevant. Until modernity people lived in collectives. They were important as a human and part of the collective to help with production of food and housing. Their life was important. The change became visible with the raise of the modern nation looking at the human as the abstract citizen, who was in a war expandable and was the foundation for income of the state by taxes. With the industrial revolution the human became the abstract worker, living behind the TV in the evening with a bottle of beer and wasting it's live at a workplace. The commodification develops at this point to it's fullest power. People are attempting to be someone, someone important for themself and for others. The migration from behind the TV to a scene of Friends is a consumer. Authenticity and identity are are part of commodification. It was Marx who wrote when people losing all abstractions putted on them, they will be really free.
Nothing, the copyright-block was because of the Total Recall footage, but this time I filed a dispute claim and waited for it to be approved before publishing the video
Great work. I missed the first version. (I think.) Total Recall includes hints (actually more than hints) that the entire experience really is the "Blue Skies on Mars" virtual vacation Quaid paid for. Never heard about the lobotomy twist. It's the guerillas who put Quaid where he can take the final step to liberate Mars. Although he gets the privilege of doing it, he's clearly joined himself in their struggle at that point. So, for a commodity, it's a pretty subversive one and Landsberg's reading of TR is right IMO.
Is this the point where I mention that I did work at Recall for a couple of months? It's a company that did OCR work for government institutions here in Sweden at the time... Probably the most boring work I ever had. I used to sing the jingle, "for the memories of a lifetime, Rekall, Rekall Rekaaaaall"... Noone knew what I was on about.
I’d like to view a commentary from mr Jonas čeika. On Darth Dawkins as a postmodern review or censure. This’ll be a mirthy unity by the fusion consisting in happiness and reason.
Keeping on Landsberg's interpretation my own lecture about Total Recall would be more on the existentialist side, even sartrean The displacement of Hauser's original personality by the better performance of Quaid 's prosthetic memory( & personality) would qualify as full prosthetic authenticity , analogous let say to Daniel Gilbert 's "Fake happiness" In Kuato's most aristotelian words, you aré defined by your own actions.
Oh, and I'm in a fourth camp about what happened in Total Recall. In my head canon. Quaid simply wakes up from the memory implant device, goes home to his oblivious wife. He proceeds to break down mentally as he has tasted action and adventure but can never return to it. Succumbing to depression and ptsd, his wife leaves him. He gets drunk, dreaming back to the fiction of the Mars adventure and gets pulled into organized criminality. But as the muscle memory he has was based on made up circumstances, he gets himself killed in his first real world confrontation. As he lies there. Bleeding out from the gut in a smelly alleyway. He sees a last vision of the dream woman.
The ideas presented in this video kill both human evolutionary drives, and the adventure, the experience of being human. Dehumanizing what little we have left. Commodification of human memory would lead to the most sterile, useless, weak and pathetic humans in history. People who never leave their homes, never climb a mountain or visit a pyramid; just lazy, boring and cowardly men and women who find lights refracted through glass to be their whole world.
There is an obvious dichotomy between map and territory. The modernist would say that the map doesn't include all of the territory. The postmodernist, on the other hand, would say that the territory cannot exist outside of the map.
I could have sworn I saw this already. But maybe that memory was not my own.
Nah, that's just a glitch in the Matrix.
This weird dream again, dejavu
Same, but maybe I was just high. Who can tell? 🤔
Mandela Effect
Could be prosthetic… OR… prophetic.
The poetry of a video on this topic getting algorithmically memory-holed and recreated.
How can one claim that this is a serious exploration of the postmodern themes in Total Recall when the woman with three breasts isn’t discussed AT ALL?!
Thank you.
C'mon, man!
This guy totally put her prosthesis in his memory if you get what I'm saying ;)
😂😂😂
That would require a feminist reading of the movie lol "If you don't trust me you can tie me up!"
Oh I'm very grateful for the reupload as the original never reached me! Really enjoyed this one, thank you.
Okay
Alison was one of my professors when I was earning my PhD. I think I took a film and prosthetic memory class with her. Crazy to see her theory pop up in my feed.
The optimism theorists had for emerging technologies in the 1980-2000 period is lowkey refreshing but also makes me feel kind of sick in retrospect
We're all on the Fisher bed now
If an author wrote a story in the mid-20th century exactly describing present day, it would be a dystopian novel akin to 1984 and Brave New World
*Proceeding to erase my memories of the first time I watched it so I can enjoy it again*
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind can help!
Now I have to decide if my memory of already watching this is real
Surprised that this video only talked about video games once (and it was just doom). Certain games force you into the shoes of that character, making decisions as them, in essence almost formulating that immersion as a sort of prosthetic memory in itself. Unfortunately this is usually hampered by mechanics such as a clearly indicated morality system, where the game judges your actions, functionally extracting yourself out of the equation rather than existing in said world as that character.
I think this "benevolent" shaping of collective memories, that Landsberg envisions, would and in fact does include the "memory holing" of certains events and realities so as to aid in forming a worldview and an identity most beneficial to the class or group of people holding power and those weaving the memories. This can be used to stifle or to even possibly totally eliminate the possibility of revolt or change. I would also argue that comodifying culture by necessity includes bringing it down, transforming it to achieve the maximum and the widest appeal, because this leads to greater sales and revenue to the publisher.
Culture Industry
Only the actions it produces makes it benevolent. She certainly doesn't argue shaping memories is good in general, or even that most applications would be good.
I often see lefties bring up that the powerful have more power, therefore endorsements of this or that method of using power always serves them more. So don't endorse them neutrally. Ends justify means.
Disney and disneyfication.
A.I. agents soon will *simulate* your alternative futures and *threaten* you with them if you cross the invisible barriers. Scary ,
I offer these, my meagre words, to the glory of the algorithm; may they repay you in engagement for years to come.
I've come back to this video a few times now. Even though I remember the main points, I still occasionally wanna experience it again.
This is meta, we have all been implanted with the fake memory of watching this video for the first time and only now is Jonas actually uploading it just to fuck with us and prove a point
1:35 in Prisoners of Power, a novel by Strugatsky brothers, main hero during some point of living on the planet, where he has suffered a spaceship crash, encounters the show where memories of various "freaks" are being shown for entertainment. And one of the memories shown was actually his memory scanned by the dystopian government some time before (though on that planet all governments are dystopian).
Great video as always, i really enjoy your analysis. Could you, however, add your bibliography in the description ? I'm browsing your channel for references and it would really help me save time if you did so. Thank you -- and looking forward your next video !
The videogame Soma is perhaps the best interrogation about the issue of memory, the body and the nature of the self in recent media.
This reminds me of "Rifters" by Peter Watts. The basic premise is that people are modified to live and work at the very bottom of the ocean. One of the characters has their memory altered to better suit the environment. Won't say how because spoilers, but it's messed up.
I could hardly love this video more.
Total Reupload
We can archive (your old video) for you wholesale
I find it interesting when people tie themselves (or their tongues) in knots attempting to pronounce one name, like an "authentically" French pronunciation of Baudrillard, yet happily resorting to a natural, English language pronunciation of Schwarzenegger, not feeling a need to give it a touch of Austrian inflection. 🤔
I remember watching this while high.. what a trip!!
It's funny that I wouldn't link Severance series to Total Recall if not because of that video!
Beautifully done ✔️ 👏
I genuinely don't remember watching this, but I appear to have liked it already.
Watched this while I was high. Sent me down a wormhole of crazy thoughts.
I try to never think or read about philosophy when i'm high because it NEVER ends well.
This memory implant theme (first encountered in the anime *Space Pirate Cobra* ) resembles a lot to *Time Travel Movies* .
Usually the protogonist follows a mysterious character who turns out to be himself that traveled through time. And the paradox is if he may kill himself in the past.
Similarly the protogonist may never be sure if his previous memories were erasen by his own will. And even may try to 'remember' or 'day-dream' memories as if time travelling. This time however it is quite easy to override his previous determination with He-Man attitude:
'I have the POWER' and no paradoxes whatsoever.
But still you may not kill yourself after time travelling and get away with it easily. Similarly God and Adam
(or say Mars owner and previous body-holder) may not be such easily discarded as in the movie.
"first encountered in the anime Space Pirate Cobra"
The short story that Total Recall is based on precedes the Cobra manga by some 12 years, and it probably wasn't the first story with implanted memories too
Least viewed video essay ever? Well, we gotta do something about that. Boys, let's watch it!
Wow I'm algorithmically engaging with this brand new content !
No one truly knows if the person in the photo is them. Used that to help people understand evolutionary biology
The more I learn about theorists and philosophers placed under the umbrella of postmodernism the less it feels like a mode of thought and the more it feels like an undeniable state of being that society is involved in and the philosophers and theorists themselves are simply trying to guide us through and get to the next point in time, in other words it feels strange to call them postmodernists because it feels like they specifically are trying to get us out of postmodernism
Really good pop to philosophy connection
Copyright taking down is stupid the OG video caused me to rent the film on Amazon prime and fork over money to mega corporation.
Stremio is your friend. Embrace torrents!
It motivated me to pirate it lol
This is a great video I'll enjoy watching for the first time again :)
I don't see how a memory of watching a movie ISN"T a memory of lived experience, namely, one's experience of watching a film. One still can only view it from one's own perspective.
depends on your degree of immersion and empathy, it can be both also
He meant it in the sense that you are passively sitting down to experience the movie, not actively contributing to that experience. It wouldn't have to change the emotions you felt, just saying.
Ok that b+w film looks cool.
I might be missing the point as a newbie to this topic, or just stating the obvious, but it feels like most of what we learn in a modern education and in news media is prosthetic - we did not experience it, just told to remember It Happened This Way. Which makes the fight between Conservative Parent vs. "Brainwashed" College Kid Now Leaning Left all the more ironic. As if the parent's memories are that much more dependable...
Does anyone remember their thoughts before language acquisition started?
Not at all. Sounds cool though! What're your memories like? all of my early memories involve crying though, lol. And i have one of a speechless recurrent dream that just gives me the creeps.
Retro memories are truly weird
Copyright sucks and so does the fact you had to reupload this amazing video.
Saw it before the takedown so I'm just leaving a comment to say I enjoyed it very much and I hope it reaches many people 🙌✨
I hardly see how cultural appropriation and comodification could in any way be liberating or render culture universal.
Popular culture =/= Mass culture
The difference being?
But there _is_ one culture that would become universal: be born, work, consume, die. That doesn't matter whether you live in say, Norway or in Pakistan. Pretty much the while world has been conquered by capital nowdays.
The only good part about is more like a happy accident: that at least that defintely means the working-class is worldwide and thus will have similar experiences of alienation and decay. Arguably it could have happened even without that (iirc Marx in the years before his death for example was looking into the Russian Mirs and how the capitalist stage could be bypassed) but now there's no doubt about that, at least.
Is there any connection between prosthetic memories and learning?
Good question
How bout cronenberg's movies
How bout thr movie The trial
I don't remember the original upload, my fav Verhoeven movie
Thank you for your very informative videos. Happy to see tendies123 is still going strong as a patron. Yes, I‘ve been watching your videos for a long time haha😂
Hi Jonas, I recomend you to watch Amenabar's film "abre los ojos" wich explores this same philosophischen topics
Niice
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Sorry you had issues with the previous version of this. I hope the reupload has better reach. You did a great job on this.
How bout hans george moller channnel?
You know the idea of prosthetic memories being used to teach empathy is what happened to me, but it was through, ironically enough, reading old books instead
as an amputee i know more than you
Yes yes yes
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I'm gonna beleive that the reupload was a stylistic choice lol
1. The usage of empathy is IMHO not correct. Empathy is the capability of understanding someone else his fate and the projection it could happen to one self.
2. Going back in time, the question of authenticity and identity was not relevant. Until modernity people lived in collectives. They were important as a human and part of the collective to help with production of food and housing. Their life was important. The change became visible with the raise of the modern nation looking at the human as the abstract citizen, who was in a war expandable and was the foundation for income of the state by taxes. With the industrial revolution the human became the abstract worker, living behind the TV in the evening with a bottle of beer and wasting it's live at a workplace. The commodification develops at this point to it's fullest power. People are attempting to be someone, someone important for themself and for others. The migration from behind the TV to a scene of Friends is a consumer.
Authenticity and identity are are part of commodification. It was Marx who wrote when people losing all abstractions putted on them, they will be really free.
Good points. I thought there was something jarring with his definition of empathy.
Really great work once again
what happened? i watched the first upload like 4 times
Had to re-upload because the first upload being copyright-blocked at first completely ruined its reach
@@jonasceikaCCK What was different about it that made it infringe copyright?
Nothing, the copyright-block was because of the Total Recall footage, but this time I filed a dispute claim and waited for it to be approved before publishing the video
I guess we've all been...recalled to view this video again.
so is this the third reupload
If it's worth getting copywronged, it's probably worth re-watching. ;)
New upload! Yippie!
Love this channel
missed you truly
Knights of the Old Republic could've been mentioned in this vid RIP
Pay no attention to this comment, it is written with the solely purpose of simulating engagement so your content is promoted by the platform.
Great work. I missed the first version. (I think.)
Total Recall includes hints (actually more than hints) that the entire experience really is the "Blue Skies on Mars" virtual vacation Quaid paid for. Never heard about the lobotomy twist.
It's the guerillas who put Quaid where he can take the final step to liberate Mars. Although he gets the privilege of doing it, he's clearly joined himself in their struggle at that point. So, for a commodity, it's a pretty subversive one and Landsberg's reading of TR is right IMO.
Again, a delight
Great video, really interesting topic
Pretty sure I was the one who uploaded this
Is this the point where I mention that I did work at Recall for a couple of months?
It's a company that did OCR work for government institutions here in Sweden at the time...
Probably the most boring work I ever had.
I used to sing the jingle, "for the memories of a lifetime, Rekall, Rekall Rekaaaaall"... Noone knew what I was on about.
Video game SOMA
Prostatic memory?
Quaid’s mutation? Being ultra muscular
Thank you
I’d like to view a commentary from mr Jonas čeika. On Darth Dawkins as a postmodern review or censure. This’ll be a mirthy unity by the fusion consisting in happiness and reason.
Keeping on Landsberg's interpretation my own lecture about Total Recall would be more on the existentialist side, even sartrean
The displacement of Hauser's original personality by the better performance of Quaid 's prosthetic memory( & personality) would qualify as full prosthetic authenticity , analogous let say to Daniel Gilbert 's "Fake happiness"
In Kuato's most aristotelian words, you aré defined by your own actions.
Oh, and I'm in a fourth camp about what happened in Total Recall. In my head canon. Quaid simply wakes up from the memory implant device, goes home to his oblivious wife. He proceeds to break down mentally as he has tasted action and adventure but can never return to it. Succumbing to depression and ptsd, his wife leaves him. He gets drunk, dreaming back to the fiction of the Mars adventure and gets pulled into organized criminality. But as the muscle memory he has was based on made up circumstances, he gets himself killed in his first real world confrontation. As he lies there. Bleeding out from the gut in a smelly alleyway. He sees a last vision of the dream woman.
I need ya to talk about The Big O ;)
"People ar not ruled by their memories!"
The ideas presented in this video kill both human evolutionary drives, and the adventure, the experience of being human. Dehumanizing what little we have left.
Commodification of human memory would lead to the most sterile, useless, weak and pathetic humans in history. People who never leave their homes, never climb a mountain or visit a pyramid; just lazy, boring and cowardly men and women who find lights refracted through glass to be their whole world.
Just wait and watch. This is exactly what will happen eventually. The ultimate commodification of memories and the brain.
Is memory as a choice driven by capitalism really better than memory as belief or duty driven by nationalism?
Culture is most valuable commodity of human civilisation
Blood for the blood god.
Synthetic engagement
rlygood video
Algorithm
Go vegan
bump
Nice
This time I don't have wait to see how you, or rather mrs Lindsberg, butchered Total Recall
There is an obvious dichotomy between map and territory. The modernist would say that the map doesn't include all of the territory. The postmodernist, on the other hand, would say that the territory cannot exist outside of the map.
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Ive seen this movie recently for the first time. It was fun but cheap looking
Funnily enough, it was one of the most expensive movies made in 1990