WHY was this Captain SILENT?? | Iberia 610

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  • @GreenDotAviation
    @GreenDotAviation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

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    • @thunder_furry
      @thunder_furry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

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    • @sporkmonster
      @sporkmonster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

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    • @thunder_furry
      @thunder_furry 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    • @prabhatthapliyal9160
      @prabhatthapliyal9160 ปีที่แล้ว

      but the plane u shows look like MC Douglas??

    • @suffixHD
      @suffixHD ปีที่แล้ว

      War Thunder best game

  • @devious187
    @devious187 ปีที่แล้ว +803

    It's unfathomable that they would design a plane to have the same tone sound for 2 separate alarms, that's just madness

    • @scarling9367
      @scarling9367 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This is IBERIA!!!

    • @bradsanders407
      @bradsanders407 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      ​@@scarling9367 umm... no it Boeing. They were the ones that built the plane.

    • @bradsanders407
      @bradsanders407 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      Same thing with the hellios ghost plane. The take-off warning and cabin altitude warning were the same. The crew for whatever reason thought they were getting a faulty take-off configuration alarm and never put their mask on like procedure dictates.

    • @alphamineron
      @alphamineron 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Because Boeing is stupid. The alert is for deviating from selected altitude… it should be for outward deviation and never sound when approaching the selected altitude. There shouldn’t be 2 tones… only 1.

    • @Goldstone93
      @Goldstone93 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And it’s so tragically ironic given the co-pilot’s mental model of where his plane was and what it was doing

  • @davidhynd4435
    @davidhynd4435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2552

    NOT paying your pilots, particularly as a form of punishment, is a sure way to leave them angry, distracted, and disengaged from their job. Clearly, that must impact on passenger safety. The airline should have been held at least partly responsible for this crash. I can't see how the airline's behaviour was anything short of criminal negligence.

    • @SunofYork
      @SunofYork ปีที่แล้ว

      That is what is called "A stretch".... If you don't pay enough they are going to kill themselves and their passengers ?

    • @Dilley_G45
      @Dilley_G45 ปีที่แล้ว +114

      The not taking the shortcut was just following the standard procedure. Nothing bad

    • @jayuppercase3398
      @jayuppercase3398 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Such nonsense

    • @Dep5723
      @Dep5723 ปีที่แล้ว +119

      The captain had a duty of care to his passengers regardless of not being paid.

    • @SunofYork
      @SunofYork ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@Dep5723 It's a pretty selfish world and duty comes second, even when ones own life is as stake...

  • @alvarvillalongamarch3894
    @alvarvillalongamarch3894 ปีที่แล้ว +1055

    I'm an active Captain for Iberia,and I must say you nailed the accident.Specially,the Captain's absent mindedness after the furlough without pay,his discontent with company,flying by the book,and the difficult reading of those Colleman altimeters.Nothing was briefed,and the abbreviated procedure flying direct from Domingo Vor to the 13nm fix,with a 45/180 turn,exiting heading 076,for an inbound course of 301.If you reached the fix at 7000,you had to speed the descent down to 4500,slowing down before and using speedbrakes.They got confused with the altimeters,hit the unchartered antenna flying too low and then...That is no excuse for any crewmember,but we are all humans,and this accident is very interesting from the Crm point of view.May God have mercy on all of us who cross the skies.

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  ปีที่แล้ว +146

      I appreciate your insight into this! Glad you think I've done the incident justice.

    • @topform4665
      @topform4665 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      smooth and safe skies Captain

    • @axer3515
      @axer3515 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I have used the instrument and they are not hard to use especially after some experience with this type.

    • @axer3515
      @axer3515 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      This is similar to the Florida crash when the crew missed the loss of altitude.

    • @240soundwave
      @240soundwave ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@GreenDotAviation this is an accident not an incident ?

  • @mingulay29
    @mingulay29 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    It is surprisingly common in Spain, or at least it used to be, for employees to be owed 2 or 3 months salary. As a freelancer there it was a nightmare to get paid - 6 months, 56 phone calls and five visits to the highly solvent company in one case. As pilots earn good salaries they also have plenty of outgoings. Not paying a pilot - who is doing a highly responsible job - is causing him unnecessary stress and in this case led to huge loss of life. What a spiteful little country it can be.

    • @ULEFOFANTULEFOFANT
      @ULEFOFANTULEFOFANT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I really don't understand this approach/relationship of airlines with their pilots.., obviously, pilots are more conscientious than other humans but they're also just humans who want to be treated well.

    • @Will-eq7uh
      @Will-eq7uh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The fact that you focus on that and not the pilot actively disengaging in a flight with hundreds of innocent passengers speaks volumes about your character. Do better.

    • @mingulay29
      @mingulay29 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      @@Will-eq7uhThe Captain went on strike, was fired then taken back again but not paid his salary. Would the non-payment of salary of a working pilot occur at British Airways or Lufthansa? No chance. Have you any idea of what no salary over months does to a person who is working normally as the bills mount up and foreclosure looms? One day that person snaps just like I did in Spain. That is all I am trying to say. And when you say do better I completed a PHD on the neoliberal effects on commercial aviation at the age of 60 a few years ago, in which I predicted in 2012 that the Boeing 737 Max and the 787 would be problematic.

    • @Will-eq7uh
      @Will-eq7uh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mingulay29 Jesus, you’re actually justifying murder because he wasn’t paid for a month. You truly are a despicable person.

    • @mvxarmbrstr4366
      @mvxarmbrstr4366 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mingulay29 congratulations on your phd! is your dissertation available somewhere?

  • @william.0419
    @william.0419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +464

    Your narration skills are genuinely amazing. The way you unpack all the small details gets me so interested in every single video.

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Love to hear that! I'm trying to improve in each video 😁

    • @gosborg
      @gosborg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I couldn’t agree more. I have trawled your channel to make sure that I have watched all your videos and am genuinely excited each time you publish a new one, notwithstanding the serious subject matter. Your entire presentation is excellent, in my opinion the best in this genre. Please keep on doing what you do. Your insights into the psychology behind the pilots’ decision making are truly educating.

    • @Menstral
      @Menstral 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I disagree completely. I despise the way the details were kept from me like a fan dance, while all the interesting details, about the 'pay / strike / pilots' were all only alluded to, and then not resolved at the end of the story. When did these Captains stopped acting like babies? Why wasn't the TV tower on the charts?

    • @internetpolification
      @internetpolification ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@GreenDotAviation your videos are excellent

    • @LoneSheWolf09
      @LoneSheWolf09 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I only came across one of his videos this morning and I’ve watched over 5 today. Addictive but knowledgeable at same time on what experiences/situations pilots faced. Appreciated how green dot explains situations with such clear detail not leaving single thing out to detail.

  • @xabier.iriarte
    @xabier.iriarte 2 ปีที่แล้ว +287

    I am so surprised by your coverage of this very little known accident in the Basque Country, and you gave a ton of details I didn't know about, like the fact that the final report didn't even mention the lack of GPWS.
    The plane crashed into Mt. Oiz, near where I live, and my parents remember this accident and all the media coverage it got at the time very well. A piece of information that struck everyone was the fact that only one intact body was recovered from the wreckage: the body of a dead person inside a coffin, flown here for burial.
    Thank you so much for your video. This is one of the worst air disasters in Spain and the worst in the Basque Country, and it was great to see it covered on your channel.

    • @glamdolly30
      @glamdolly30 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      What dark, exquisite irony - the one, intact body, was the pre-deceased one! Maybe there's a safety lesson there for airlines - rip out passenger seats and replace them with coffins!

    • @franciscopino7552
      @franciscopino7552 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Xabier Iriarte "worst in the Basque Count" Sure, Xavier, that datum will be recorded in the annals of disasters by countries, among those in EEUU, China, France, Russia....
      ¿Se puede ser más ridículamente idiota? Sí, se puede, en las provincias vascongadas llevan décadas entrenándose muy duramente para demostrarlo.

    • @xabier.iriarte
      @xabier.iriarte ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@franciscopino7552 La leche, Francisco, eres tan facha que te ofendes hasta con comentarios en inglés, eres un grande 🤣

    • @virginiaviola5097
      @virginiaviola5097 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@franciscopino7552 not a good look Francisco. Your comment was irrelevant and uncalled for. This is an international audience. 🇦🇺🦘🐨

    • @Anonamiss782
      @Anonamiss782 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@glamdolly30 😆😆

  • @TheAtomTwister
    @TheAtomTwister 2 ปีที่แล้ว +551

    You and Mentour Pilot are the best when it comes to air accidents. Bravo. And I'm glad that GPWS and EGPWS are a thing now. There's nothing that gets a pilot's attention like "TERRAIN TERRAIN PULL UP". RIP everyone involved in this accident. Bravo also on 100K.

    • @zac8366
      @zac8366 2 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Agreed, green dot and mentour pilot are killing it

    • @grahamstevenson1740
      @grahamstevenson1740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      GPWS would have saved that French Air Inter A320 flight into Strasbourg too. Another approach in mountainous terrain. I find it astonishing that the Air Inter flight wasn't so fitted because their pilots supposedly saw them as a 'nuisance' and they were seen as optional, certainly in France (up until then). That would also make an excellent video about the 'mode confusion' that accompanied more automated flight systems.

    • @fefferryerr1818
      @fefferryerr1818 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      idk, there are channels like mayday and wonder that have recreations with actors, interviews, historical footage, etc. green dot and mentour tell good stories, but they just don't have the budgets as those channels.

    • @grahamstevenson1740
      @grahamstevenson1740 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@fefferryerr1818 Mayday is invariably totally 'over the top' with shockingly poor overacting. They're a joke from my perspective. Far too sensationalist.

    • @fefferryerr1818
      @fefferryerr1818 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@grahamstevenson1740 Idk, i read plenty of comments that say the acting is very good, but that's up to you to dislike it. What about the interviews with actual survivors and those who worked on the investigations? Footage of events? They also go far more into the history leading up to the accident and the technical reasons.
      I enjoy this channel, but it's just him reading a summary while he shows a flight simulator which adds nothing to the story. I don't even watch it, I just listen while I do other things. He may as well have a black screen.
      It's just weird to me that people would say a channel with low to no production budget is the best compared to other channels with high budgets, with a team of people going far more in depth.
      I mean, I've seen videos of high school plays and people will say they are the best, it's kind of like that.

  • @banjojohn1489
    @banjojohn1489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +389

    I'd like to hear more about the striking pilots and Iberia's management history from this time period..

    • @rfvtgbzhn
      @rfvtgbzhn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +107

      True, Iberia basically stealing money by not paying pilots as a retaliation for a strike should have been a huge scandal.

    • @sovietsky5039
      @sovietsky5039 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes

    • @giorgosfylaktou2610
      @giorgosfylaktou2610 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@drt1605 DON'T FORGET THAT SPAIN 🇪🇸 (AND PORTUGAL 🇵🇹), WERE NOT EEC (EU TODAY) MEMBER STATES. BOTH SPAIN 🇪🇸 AND PORTUGAL 🇵🇹 JOINED EEC THEN(EU TODAY), ON JANUARY 1ST, 1986. BY COINCIDENCE BOTH IBERIAN COUNTRIES WERE ON TRANSITION FROM DICTATORSHIP TO DEMOCRACY(REPUBLIC COUNTRIES), AND WHEN BOTH, JOINED EEC THEN (EU TODAY), THEY HAD TO FOLLOW EU STRICT RULES, PASS LEGISLATIONS AND LAWS AND RULES TO THEIR NATIONAL AIRLINES AND MAKE THEM SAFER. IF YOU ASK ME I SLIGHTLY BLAME THE EXPERIENCED PILOT FOR THE TRAGEDY (CRASH). I BLAME GREEDY IBERIA EMPLOYERS OF NOT HAVING GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR EMPLOYEES I.E PILOTS MAINLY AND CREW SECOND, WHICH RESULTED TO REVENGE AND REPRISALS PLUS CONSEQUENCES WHICH COST PASSENGERS LIVES. I REALLY HOPE SPANISH GOVERNMENT AND IBERIA AIRLINES HAD COMPENSATED VICTIMS' FAMILIES AND BOTH LEARNT THEIR LESSONS.😢😢.

  • @jcdg6288
    @jcdg6288 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    They also failed to mention they always always have to pay their employees. Even a janitor would quiet quit when not being paid and they don’t have hundreds of people relying on them for their dear lives.

  • @fervunk1143
    @fervunk1143 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    I found this channel a few days ago and I have been addicted and binging every single video. So much more refreshing and interesting when it’s not a extremely dramatic overacted TV Drama. Using flight sim to show buttons, lights, and other aspects of the flight is incredibly genius and provides beautiful footage. I need more !!

    • @kt249
      @kt249 ปีที่แล้ว

      ++++

    • @jerrywalls4430
      @jerrywalls4430 ปีที่แล้ว

      Enjoy your videos thank you

  • @ItsAllAboutGuitar
    @ItsAllAboutGuitar ปีที่แล้ว +92

    It's so interesting to me that my training was a direct result of a lot of these crashes. I got YELLED at ONCE when not calling out altitudes even though I had it in my head. My instructors needed to know that I did.

    • @quasarsphere
      @quasarsphere ปีที่แล้ว +24

      As the saying goes, safety regulations are written in blood.

    • @ULEFOFANTULEFOFANT
      @ULEFOFANTULEFOFANT 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True 'lessons learnt'... Any idea why it takes such harsh and costly lessons??

    • @hankhasemeier6887
      @hankhasemeier6887 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@quasarsphere that saying right there is why I keep my eye out for strange or seemingly useless warning labels. There's always a story to be told behind them and I think those stories are really interesting.

  • @schootzmootz
    @schootzmootz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    When you said "But their plane didn't have a ground proximity warning system", I exclaimed "FUCK!!!" so loudly my husband came from another room to check if I was ok. Awesome storytelling.

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It wasn’t mandatory At this time and several airlines didn’t opt for it. Air Inter lost an aircraft that would have been saved by TAWS too.

    • @sunnyland3952
      @sunnyland3952 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL

    • @drankydrank1
      @drankydrank1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea that got me about the same way

    • @Blehstor
      @Blehstor ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@peteconrad2077 still doesnt mean it was not a stupid and outdated decision, if the US had been using it for 10 years before this accident..

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Blehstor so had many countries. But for some operations, especially those with airports in valleys, GPWS caused real issues and so it’s utility wasn’t great until the advent of EGPWS.

  • @yy17782
    @yy17782 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    What a perfect storm. Disengaged pilots, fog, no proximity sensor, archaic altitude display, similar warning sounds giving confirmation bias. Absolutely perfect storm.

    • @sletter87542
      @sletter87542 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      + TV antenna not being depicted in the map.

  • @gosborg
    @gosborg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Fascinating! You’ve picked another not so well known accident, analysed it in a technical but clear manner and explained how and why it happened in an entirely plausible way, giving us an insight into the psychology behind the pilots’ decisions. Well done, 10/10!

  • @Goldstone93
    @Goldstone93 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is so well explained. You can just see how several unrelated factors came together to cause this. It’s a textbook example of how disasters are never caused by a single event.

  • @thomasw95
    @thomasw95 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    As a B777 driver and having basically all my flight experience on B737NG/300 and B787 (and now B777), it’s unfathomable that the altitude alert and the autopilot system was this complex back in the day. Truly incredible!
    Also, that the GPWS was optional in the 80s 🤯
    Also also, how am I just discovering this channel? It’s truly amazing! Great job guys.

  • @_Brillo
    @_Brillo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Found your channel a few days ago. I can't stop watching these. And lo and behold I'm early for an upload! Thank you for all the great content on aviation.

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'm delighted you're enjoying them! More on the way 😁

  • @asneakylawngnome5792
    @asneakylawngnome5792 2 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    The storytelling behind every single one of these are phenomenal. I’m in suspense every time I watch these, and despite a few, guessing which plane will recover or fucked up so bad they won’t be able to. And it makes it all the more tragic. Thank you for sharing these peoples stories, and what happened behind the scenes because there stories deserve to be told.

  • @havyn88
    @havyn88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1146

    It would be a crime if the report didn't tell airlines to pay their pilots.

    • @rfvtgbzhn
      @rfvtgbzhn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +236

      I think not paying workers should also be a crime in general. It is like stealing. However in most countries it's just punished by a small fine. In my country it is about 700€, and this is not for every instance, if a company doesn't pay 1000 employees for 6 months they still would only pay a fine of 700€. That's much less than they interest they got if investing these millions of € that they delayed. On the other hand if a worker just steals 100€ from a cash register he might have to pay a fine of thousands of € or even go to jail. It's ridiculous. However it really shows the nature of the capitalist state, it's nit a coincidence that they are very harsh to workers but lenient to corporations.

    • @travelwithtony5767
      @travelwithtony5767 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Commercial pilots are already paid above their skill value, with Captains at some airlines making over $200K a year, with full health insurance, generous benefits including pensions families fly free and mandatory retirement at 65.
      That’s more than Dr’s make and they spend 10 years earning their medial licenses and work twice as long.

    • @havyn88
      @havyn88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@travelwithtony5767 some airlines

    • @travelwithtony5767
      @travelwithtony5767 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@rfvtgbzhn
      Most commercial Captains make $200K a year with very generous benefits and a mandatory retirement age of 65, and their high salaries are a major factor in why airfares are so expensive..
      They make more than Dr’s, Vets and Dentists and it costs a lot less to get to a commercial pilot certification than it does attending University for ten years.
      So actually they are overpaid they should pay them LESS.

    • @travelwithtony5767
      @travelwithtony5767 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@havyn88 Some = The vast majority.

  • @timmack2415
    @timmack2415 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    I can't even imagine the amount of research, editing and writing it takes to produce these videos is amazing.

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Thanks! 🙏🏼 It is a lot of work but it’s what we love :)

  • @finlayhutchinson7370
    @finlayhutchinson7370 2 ปีที่แล้ว +517

    It's so good how you don't tell if there's a crash or not

    • @rustincole_w1339
      @rustincole_w1339 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't get too turned on ya soulless bastard

    • @SuperMyacc
      @SuperMyacc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Its not a suspence show

    • @kamakaziozzie3038
      @kamakaziozzie3038 2 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      There is a big hint early on. He referred to the pilots in the past tense.

    • @nesrinoz3926
      @nesrinoz3926 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm loving it!

    • @squirrelhallowino29
      @squirrelhallowino29 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      For real, keeps me in my sit all video long

  • @cyb3rfa1ry666
    @cyb3rfa1ry666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    its crazy to think youve only been doing videos for a year, yet i trust your sources more than a lot of aviation channels!
    thank you for spreading light on these accidents, you never leave me disappointed!!

    • @ZombieSazza
      @ZombieSazza 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Same here, and on top of that I actually prefer Green Dot over all the other aviation channels, his research is fantastic, he doesn’t constantly repeat himself, he’s a good storyteller, he makes everything easy to understand. Hands down my favourite aviation channel!

    • @m.streicher8286
      @m.streicher8286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He popped up with great production value I'm not surprised

  • @babygrrlpc5057
    @babygrrlpc5057 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Thank you so much for these videos. And while some people think it's annoying for multiple channels to cover the same incident, I find that each channel brings something interesting. I find your videos not only interesting and informative, but I could listen to you talk for hours. Not the same for some of the other channels :-) Thanks again. You are appreciated!

  • @canfly737
    @canfly737 2 ปีที่แล้ว +333

    We missed you Green Dot 🙂

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      I'm staying!

    • @brianjones3191
      @brianjones3191 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Marksmanship is a skill that requires practice to ensure proficiency at hitting the target.
      😮😅

    • @randychavis8785
      @randychavis8785 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Facts I was checking my feed every day 😭

    • @Califorage
      @Califorage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@randychavis8785 Same here

    • @glamdolly30
      @glamdolly30 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yep, I love this channel - it's an addiction!

  • @MenwithPurpose2012
    @MenwithPurpose2012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I genuinely think the captain forgot to toggle the altitude select button at the time where he picked 4300ft. But although he should have been monitoring his altimeters, I think he didn't envisage the prospect that the plane had gone below 4300ft. They must have been shocked when that TV antenna appeared from nowhere. May they rest in peace. Thanks Green Dot for another amazing video, looking forward to the next

    • @annakeye
      @annakeye 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I can only try to imagine what the vibe must've been like among pilots working for Iberia, if management decided they weren't going to pay them due to them taking industrial action. But the captains attitude was disgraceful. Putting twice the workload on the first officer didn't punish the airline in any way at all except ultimately creating a dangerous situation that was exacerbated by the lack of decent altimeters and the lack of GPW technology. I mean, I understand the captain was pissed off but ultimately he significantly contributed to the crash.
      PS: Not having GPW's on planes in a country as mountainous as Spain is outrageous and once again, trying to save money, they end up with blood on their hands.

    • @toastercatx
      @toastercatx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@annakeye perhaps the captain was not happy with the FO because he didn't participate in the strikes? Childish in such a responsible position. But at the end of the day the first error was Iberia not paying the most crucial members of their team, and not having GPWs installed in the first place. As long as anybody is putting profit over safety these things will happen.

    • @MenwithPurpose2012
      @MenwithPurpose2012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@annakeye the altimeters were decent, but just difficult to read. And they weren't trying to save money, but use much fuel as they could so that the airline does not save money

    • @rfvtgbzhn
      @rfvtgbzhn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@annakeye corporations always try to save money. This is why you need strict regulation. This largely works in the airline industry but there are sometimes oversight, a good recent example is the MCAS system of the 737 Max and the fact that the FAA didn't insist on it being thoroughly tested, which Boeing didn't do to accelerate development.

    • @rfvtgbzhn
      @rfvtgbzhn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MenwithPurpose2012 annakeye was referring to the airline saving money by not upgrading their 727s with GPWS.

  • @amywill9185
    @amywill9185 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    This is so crazy! How can an airline not have an important warning system in place? How sad that they both failed to notice the altitude as well. Ugh! Sad sad day!

  • @Optimus594
    @Optimus594 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    As someone with ADHD, it’s harder than normal to focus on documentary style videos of this length. But you make it easier to engage. Not sure why, but nice work.

    • @mikerodent3164
      @mikerodent3164 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hallelujah.

    • @wattage2007
      @wattage2007 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I know why.It's because ADHD doesn't exist.

    • @hlvtfp1
      @hlvtfp1 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@wattage2007Wtf are you on about? Of course it does exist.

    • @masih9595
      @masih9595 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@hlvtfp1it does not

    • @GrumpyMunkyGameDesign
      @GrumpyMunkyGameDesign 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@masih9595 speaking as a sufferer of it, you might as well claim cancer doesnt exist, it's one thing to be lucky enough not to have the affliction, but its pretty disgusting of you as a human being to claim a life affecting condition does not exist. Not only that but to openly mock someone who has opened up about their condition and thanking a creator for their content. Speaking of things not existing, I'd like to claim scum doesn't exist, but yet here I am, replying to it. 🤔

  • @gogltz
    @gogltz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks!

  • @AriesYT10
    @AriesYT10 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Bro took “I ain’t paid enough for this” to a whole new level

  • @gregmeyer9595
    @gregmeyer9595 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I recently found your channel (just a couple days ago) and have watched several videos, just wanted to say as an average American who has only been on 15 or so flights and has little to no aviation knowledge that your description of flight, instrumentation, aviation logistics etc. is incredible and really puts me in a position to understand what has happened and why. I’ve subscribed and am currently binge watching. I appreciate the obvious hard work and thank you for all you put into it. Be safe and keep it up my friend. Can’t wait for the next one.

  • @jumi9342
    @jumi9342 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'm not that much into planes but your videos have me hooked. I like your voice, the way you explain things even for someone like me who has no idea and how you put your videos together.
    I always enjoy the survivals a bit more than the accidents that result in deaths.

  • @kmorton54
    @kmorton54 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I always watch your and "The Flight Channel". What I really like about your channel, is the excellent narration you provide

  • @enriquevega4480
    @enriquevega4480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    aircraft was EC-DDU "Alhambra de Granada" delivered in 1979 to Iberia

  • @Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits
    @Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am surprised you have not covered the series of bad crashes in South Florida from US Air. One of the worst crashes was the ValueJet flight that all of the sudden dipped 90 degrees nose straight down to the ground and literally took a dive right into the Everglades. In fact, the plane disintegrated and there was nothing found of the plane. Just a few pieces of fragments. That was it. And I do mean small pieces.

  • @Dagrdottir
    @Dagrdottir ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Firstly, my condolences to the families of all those lost in this tragedy. Secondly, thank you for this video. It's painstaking detail, done with respect to the laymen like myself, is so interesting and I have no trouble in understanding the train of events.

  • @JJ-nn6sk
    @JJ-nn6sk ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have recently come across your channel and now addicted! I’ve been binge watching!! The quality of your videos is brilliant 🙌

  • @davemieze9021
    @davemieze9021 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love that type of jet, with all engines mounted at the rear. Especially that over the tail engine. So beautiful. I was 15 in 1989 and flew by myself several times back and forth from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania to Little Rock Arkansas. And I swear it was a Delta DC 8 or DC 9. I do remember that all the engines were at the rear of the plane. If o could back and do things again, I’d be a commercial pilot or a lawyer

  • @legacyleader39
    @legacyleader39 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Congratulations on 100k subs! You deserve it. Felt like forever since the previous upload! Thank you for this.

  • @mateen6849
    @mateen6849 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Perfect narration and explanation. By far the best air crash investigation channel right now.

  • @micheleshively8557
    @micheleshively8557 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I love your explanations of these accidents! Thanks so much

  • @pla7695
    @pla7695 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's always a great day when Green Dot posts! You explain these concepts and crashes in a clear and captivating way. well done for reaching 100k subscribers!!

  • @jamiecheslo
    @jamiecheslo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Always look forward to your videos. Your style is so clear and concise, you make it incredibly easy to follow what is going on with the aircraft at any given point in the accident flight and sequence. Keep up the outstanding work!

  • @TheRipperxX9
    @TheRipperxX9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for the video Green Dot. Great as always and one of the best out there. This one hit hard personally since I’m from Spain and I had no idea about this accident and the troubles that our national carrier was going through back in the day. Good thing GPWS was made mandatory here in Spain, hard to understand how such a basic safety feature wasn’t a thing here up until not that long ago. I’ll ask my dad about the incident since he’s an aviation freak and I’m sure he knows well about it.

  • @zerfetzt
    @zerfetzt ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really glad that you continue posting videos. Found your channel some time ago, but already watched nearly everything on the channel. Thanks for your work!

  • @paulmiller4246
    @paulmiller4246 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am not a pilot but really love aviation and all of the technology that has become fused with flight.
    I love the videos and have such a respect for pilots. I am amazed at bone crushing confusion that happens when there is a problem and pilots keep their cool.
    That is impressive to me. From my perspective you guys and gals make flying seamless for us.
    Really enjoy your videos

  • @davidclement7537
    @davidclement7537 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Brilliantly told, the suspense kept my attention right until the end😮 thank you from South Africa.

  • @JFirn86Q
    @JFirn86Q 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've binged all your videos in the recent weeks. I like that you use your real voice, rather than some goofy text-to-speech, or text on screen. You have a great story telling and technical detail presentation. Thank you

    • @KONAMAN100
      @KONAMAN100 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's true. I always abandon every auto voice I ever hear.

  • @internetpolification
    @internetpolification ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I just discovered your channel and find it fascinating. Perfect narration and style. Excellent subject selection. Love it

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks so much! Hope you enjoy the rest of the videos 😁

  • @PauperJ
    @PauperJ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    A fascinating story Green Dot. I had never heard of this crash before. Thank you for your awesome research and storytelling in this and each of your productions.

  • @ut561
    @ut561 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    also that antenna should have never been in the flight path !
    great video as always.

  • @auntbarbara5576
    @auntbarbara5576 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your entire fashion of presentation and production is the best.

  • @ammarisrar2005
    @ammarisrar2005 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Its barbaric to not pay your pilot for punishment, he was pissed and he caused the accident but the root cause is Iberia Airlines, if they wanted to punish him, suspend him for a certain amount of time or do something that wouldn’t make him retaliate in a way that puts hundreds of lives at jeopardy

    • @oober5150
      @oober5150 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The root cause was an immature man making decisions that endangered lives in order to make him feel better

  • @ac9110
    @ac9110 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was excellent. Many thanks for taking the time to film it.

  • @kwanlinus6999
    @kwanlinus6999 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Strangely, the captain's decision was not led to the accident, but the first officer's inexperience

  • @ZombieSazza
    @ZombieSazza 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Happy to see a new video!
    Can’t wait for my flatmate to tell me there’s a new video, he subscribed and asked me if I’d heard of your channel, he’s been binge watching your content and it’s amazing being able to share your content with him!

  • @taridean
    @taridean 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Great video once again. Loving the way the visuals are put together. However, my favourite thing is how the story is clearly explained that you can build a mental picture of the sequence of events and sometimes figure out why they happened.

    • @GreenDotAviation
      @GreenDotAviation  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! We put a lot of thought into showing things clearly 🙏🏼

  • @mohamedbelbehri3686
    @mohamedbelbehri3686 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Many thanks for these very interesting and narrative style . My only request would be that whether you can make these great videos a tad longer - perhaps with more detail of the post incident investigation. Many thanks!

  • @eldrago19
    @eldrago19 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    And there I was thinking not paying aircraft captains could only happen in Cabin Pressure

  • @michaelmitchell9612
    @michaelmitchell9612 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Green Dot Team/Pilot Mentour sets the standard for outstanding videos on TH-cam.

    • @TheRipperxX9
      @TheRipperxX9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally agree! Best content out there from these two.

  • @KayCee777
    @KayCee777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As always, another well researched and beautifully narrated video. Congratulations on 100k and growing - much deserved! 👏

  • @RMR1
    @RMR1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't know why there were so many ads, but this was a great video with outstanding narration. Clear, concise and balanced.

  • @mikemerriman4109
    @mikemerriman4109 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Brilliant video.
    Like how you didn’t know the outcome until the end!

  • @erkinkaya2776
    @erkinkaya2776 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Once again a great video! Im just wondering what weird procedure Iberia was using at the time concerning the PM and PF roles. Why on earth would the Captain (PM) manipulate the Altitude Selector and Altitude Arm switch? Thats contradictory to every known SOPs in an airliner cockpit.

    • @alanwilliams9310
      @alanwilliams9310 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are spot on.

    • @heavenlycity777
      @heavenlycity777 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I must’ve missed that part. Where was that?
      Are you thinking he might’ve done this on purpose to crash the whole aircraft just to spite the company?

  • @KingBritish
    @KingBritish 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You're pretty great at narrating these stories. Probably my favourite channel to do with air disasters. Currently having a binge watching session 😁

  • @williamm1981
    @williamm1981 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Spanish passenger jet crashes into mountain.. Maybe you should install Ground Proximity Alert System.. Spain "Nah, we don't need that"

  • @deniostudio
    @deniostudio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please do more videos 🥺, its part of my routine now to watch your videos while on break or before bed

  • @SteveMHN
    @SteveMHN ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I'm not excusing him for his poor performance, but I can't believe the Captain was working but wasn't being paid. That's disgusting.

  • @finaleminence5073
    @finaleminence5073 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great videos. I’v now watched the entire list of your content over the past days. Its a collection of well packaged and well researched material. I who have no experience in airplanes or aviation can learn and understand whats going on Thanks to your way of explaining. Looking forward to more. Thanks

  • @christosvoskresye
    @christosvoskresye 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Here;s another suggestion: PAY YOUR PILOTS. The captain's (in)actions are not excused, but the airline is not innocent in this, either.

  • @Vega_13
    @Vega_13 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very interesting. It's so frustrating how many lives were lost due to the slow implementation of GPWS. Watched with V1, love the channel!

  • @THE_JACKAL666
    @THE_JACKAL666 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    To piss off a pilot is kinda the same as piss off a waitress or a waiter. Is definitely not a good idea. They can pretty much ruin your day !

  • @RealGrooveRandom
    @RealGrooveRandom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Woke up unexpectedly early.. got a cuppa and found you had a new video!
    Perfect start to my day!

  • @turningthetables
    @turningthetables 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    congrats on 100k!!!

  • @billygrctv6698
    @billygrctv6698 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw your video of Varig 254 and I didn't expect any survivors the way everything was going. In this one, I expected a different ending and survivors but it was the opposite, wow your way of telling the story and involving me in the story is masterful, excellent video, excellent channel.

  • @MidnightGazebo
    @MidnightGazebo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really filling the aviation disaster bingo card this week - airport without radar, aircraft without GPWS, incorrect approach chart, poor CRM, junior pilot intimidated by senior...

  • @grahamstevenson1740
    @grahamstevenson1740 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had not come across this accident before. Thanks for your excellent recreation and explanation of the events leading up to it as ever.

  • @farinshore8900
    @farinshore8900 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The investigators didn't think to mention that paying the pilots might help solve the problem of disinterest in doing the job?

  • @hamzaghazi
    @hamzaghazi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    With each incident brings a lesson and saves more lives further down the road for aviation as a whole. The people who loose their lives in these incidents are unsung heros.

  • @TSBS
    @TSBS ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love these videos. Well put together. Great work. Quite educational 👍

  • @Justatoy26
    @Justatoy26 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Came from the V1 channel today during his livestream. Just subscribed! Love the channel man!

  • @HD_555
    @HD_555 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Everyone here agreed on something very important: *PAY YOUR PILOTS*

  • @richardshiggins704
    @richardshiggins704 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent review of a complex file . I would consider the Bilbao approach quite challenging .

  • @yellowrose0910
    @yellowrose0910 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    06:00 The altimeter shows "26,300". Even if the last two digits don't change (which is stupid), it still indicates altitude up to the nearest?/lowest? 100 feet. What's the problem?

    • @peteconrad2077
      @peteconrad2077 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I explained above how this affects the brains processing and leads to error. It’s a genuine and serious issue, especially when under high workload.

  • @mofangei
    @mofangei 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    this channel is soo gooood and i want to thank all the ppl that r working on it, its so cool when u know what plane is doing like y it didnt land or went for a 360 round or why it got delayed its just soooo amazing to know thse, thank u

  • @hfc2x
    @hfc2x 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's a great day when Green Dot Aviation uploads 👌

  • @jessehickman668
    @jessehickman668 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve flown in 2 flights LA to San Francisco 20 years ago.
    No particular interest in flying….
    But I’m obsessed with these accident investigations as well as the mechanics and forensics of planes.
    Of all the corrupt organizations and governments in our world, the industry as a whole is a beacon of hope. The Aircraft industry overall is transparent, full of the best people and interested in safety over finger pointing.
    Keep em coming

  • @shanedavey6993
    @shanedavey6993 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Congrats on 100K subs!!

  • @joshbelton2689
    @joshbelton2689 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ah yes it's my day off. Cold rainy morning with green dot aviation in bed watching. Doesn't get better then this

  • @paulabrown6840
    @paulabrown6840 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    CONGRATULATIONS 🎈 Over 100,000 subs! You more than deserve it. I predict 200,000 by end of June or sooner! Your video quality is second to none.
    Also I believe that pouty Captain contributed to the crash significantly. RIP passengers and crew. 😢🙏

  • @elvemage3082
    @elvemage3082 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Need... more.... videos!!! Already went through all your videos in less than a week!

  • @Hawker900XP
    @Hawker900XP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I wonder if the board recommend the airline pay their pilots.

    • @thewhitefalcon8539
      @thewhitefalcon8539 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They probably recommended to increase punishments so that workers would accept lower pay

  • @isaackeigwin
    @isaackeigwin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Recently binged literally every video in the air disaster playlist, excited to see the new video! Appreciate the thorough work you do, you’ve piqued my interest in aviation to new heights… lol

  • @jezzamobile
    @jezzamobile ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Lesson: Pay the pilot.

  • @George_Shonia
    @George_Shonia ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know from where you brought it, but music on this videos are incredible!

  • @TheButterZone
    @TheButterZone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Was the antenna not on approach charts because the charters assumed nobody would ever fly that low at that position, or because there wasn't communication about its being there?

    • @protodvd
      @protodvd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chances are, given what happened here and the mountainous terrain, that it is indeed not on the expected approach path/glide slope.

    • @TheButterZone
      @TheButterZone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@protodvd If I was making the charts/keeping them updated, I would have put it on there irregardless.

    • @JuanCarlosCoreaBarrios
      @JuanCarlosCoreaBarrios ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ALL significant obstructions in a particular sector, be they terrain or man made, are required to be on the approach charts. In this case they had simply no been updated.

    • @protodvd
      @protodvd ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JuanCarlosCoreaBarrios Good to know. Got to wonder whether that one's written in blood, too.

  • @strungoutkid
    @strungoutkid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best aviation channel out there! Another great one ☺️

  • @patrickoleary2862
    @patrickoleary2862 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Probably not such a good idea not to pay your pilots.

  • @mikepowell2776
    @mikepowell2776 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating and well-researched video, as always on this channel.
    I have , as a passenger, flown into Bilbao several times on at least four different carriers. On the first occasion, back in 199, I had the privilege of being on the flight deck right onto the ground. It’s a VERY interesting approach! As we approached Derio the captain placed a small card tag on the first officer’s control column clip. It read ‘Not Right,’ On the ground I asked about this. The FO explained that in an overshoot (go round) situation the pilot has discretion to turn either way. The mountains to the right were several times higher than those to the left, a situation which, to quote, ‘could spoil your whole day very quickly.’
    One tiny point, the airport shows the new layout of Bilbao. When this occurred there was only one runway and the airport buildings were on the other side of it. In those days it was called Sondika but has been renamed.

  • @isbestlizard
    @isbestlizard 2 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Crazy that these 'pilots' apparently can spend minutes at a time, flying through fog with no visibility, around mountains, and not once glance at their altimeter to maintain situational awareness.

    • @streettrialsandstuff
      @streettrialsandstuff ปีที่แล้ว +23

      They get used to autopilot performing what they told it to, so they felt safe. And the Captain that supposed to monitor, well, I guess he was too occupied with thoughts about how else he can screw the airline that screwed him.

    • @lunasloanbailey
      @lunasloanbailey ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@streettrialsandstuff Yeah, and he ultimately screwed himself and all onboard. What a selfish dick.

    • @siraj7397
      @siraj7397 ปีที่แล้ว

      They should aviate navigate n communicate

    • @merricat3025
      @merricat3025 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@streettrialsandstuff well, he got his wish

    • @olivercharles2930
      @olivercharles2930 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@merricat3025 ouch