At least now if you have multiple Switch accounts you can have multiple files. But yes there are several cursed gears. That, the really...idk how to describe it Imp gears, and the maid outfits.
If you have the digital version of the original game, it's actually pretty simple to have multiple save files for the game. You can just backup your save data, and there's many slots for it. And as someone who enjoys doing sprinkless runs of Miitopia, Fiends are the worst
You gotta love how the Dark Lord gets brighter and brighter with each form it takes. First form is dark purple, second form is light blue, third form is a literal sun gem.
For the Dark Curse's backstory, here are a few theories that I came up with (blood tw): -Starvation seems like it could work, -But suffocation would kill him faster since he doesn't have a nose, either. -The game never specifies how he removes his face. In my headcanon, the Dark Curse cuts off his face and bleeds to death. The reason we don't see this with any of the Dark Lord's victims (and why they survive longer in general) is because he uses magic and can remove faces cleanly without letting any blood. Unrelated: You removed 10 sins at the end instead of 11 for the party members and the horse. The horse deserves to be un-sinned.
in the DS version of the general boss, when it attackes the Noble son, it does a charged punch that does 500 damage. in the switch version, it does a normal punch and we don't see the Noble sons hp drop at all. he just gets ko'd
a few things i have to say about the "break the curse" ending -they really should've phrased that better. "break the curse" and "save him" sound practically the same, as "breaking the curse" could be getting rid of the curse they were under and restoring their original body. so essentially, someone could choose this option thinking that they were saving the reborn and accidentally end up *murdering* them -that deserves to be un-sinned just bc of the fact that the great sage claps for you in this ending
The main sin I have with it is the illusion of choice. Both options end the game, but only one lets you do the final dungeon. From a lore standpoint I get why but from a game standpoint it makes the people who chose "break the curse" look silly and have to redo the final boss fight if they weren't aiming for 100% but finishing all the levels.
When I first played the game on the 3ds I picked break the curse because it wasn’t worth saving someone who made themself a villain until I saw there was more content for saving him. He doesn’t even give you anything for saving him.
9:57 Extra sin: YOU'VE FOUGHT GOLEMS,SLIMES,GOBLINS,BANSHEES,AND *ACTUAL CLOUDS* ,MET A MAGE,FAIRIES,A GENIE,THE LIST GOES ON,YET DRAGONS SHOULDN'T BE REAL?
I know we fought a 3 headed dog that had our freinds disembodied faces on each of its 3 heads a couple weeks ago but dragons can’t exist ,They just can’t
Fun fact: Jace (or Pokeball in this case) really is the most useless party member, Ex-Darklord actually does a small amount of damage and heals you a decent amount. Also HIS CRYING GIVES ME LIIIIIFE! Actually, What if the Dark Lord is intentionally screwing up so they could test the hero to see if they are a better host, like they are unhappy with their current host. They DO attack the hero the second they are free from the body of the original host.
Tvtropes actually has a theory that the Ex-Dark Lord is actually fighting from the inside because after they’re freed it is revealed that the host is just an average person who got tempted and possessed so it’s possible that the whole time the Ex-Dark Lord was constantly resisting the Dark Curse’s efforts and making sure that they never offed the player
I believe that a mii can survive indefinently without a face if it still exists, but the dark curse cast his face away, thus destroying it, thus destroying it's life force
My problem with the photographer is that he never gets good pictures it’s only when your inflicted with a status condition (like the pharaoh of spiders) or in a godawful position like the hamburger. YOU ARE A PHOTOGRAPHER TAKE GOOD PHOTOS
@@thealientree3821 that doesnt make much sense, I mean sure a little bit on the surface but its a TANK, like a real one and bullets dont do too much unless shot
Considering every stage takes an in-game day to complete, sometimes more, and you can choose to just…not feed your party anything, including bananas and sweets if you use sprinkles wisely, I’m willing to bet that, rather than starve to death, faceless Miis simply just lose their true bodies when they give up on waiting or hoping for their face to return.
I wonder how many stages are in the games until the true final boss, because if so, it must have token months for the heroes. Also I think the owner of the inns must be the richest guy of Miitopia for having multiple inns in all worlds!
@@HammySigvard I have a theory that each area has one Inn each, and that world’s Inn keeps teleporting to different areas, to give the heroes some much needed rest.
not to mention that they mostly attack first too. AND if your miis wanna protect that 1 mii, they all die. i had it before and 3 miis tried to protect that one mii and all died
I love how this game clearly doesn't take itself seriously at all. It adds to the charm of this game and I really like it for that. Also, I'm glad this video was finally finished and released! Very nice video 👌
@@silverhanma But it's still annoying for me. All the other characters (two thieves, a pop star, a chef, a mage, a cleric, a cat, a flower, and a tank) are level 41, meanwhile I'm a level 48 warrior who, not to toot my own horn, can deal an insane amount of damage. Watching the AI fight for you knowing full well you could have done a better job is frustrating.
Bonus sins because I am that person WARNING, THIS IS A SUPER LONG COMMENT - The Dark Lord says he is STARTING with the people of Greenhorne, but since the main character gets attacked by a Rock Moth with Mii eyes, this is impossible. If he means stealing entire faces...why? Why would he prior leave people with mismatched faces, leaving parts he could use elsewhere? Bonus around 3:33 - The prince mentions Servants, but said Servants are never seen or referenced again. In general it is strange we hear of Neskdor royalty and when we are in the location, all we run into are the townspeople and the local troublemaker. You would think the prince accidentally releasing a genie and the whole Greenhorne thing would get the attention of his "mama"/"mumsy". Extra for 4:17 - My ONE defense for this guy is that this is likely the first time he saw someone lose their face. However the Noble's Son is also scared but actually tries to do something about it so... Since it goes by, surprised no mention of the Calming Fruit since it basically serves no purpose to the plot except making you leave the castle area for a bit so the Dark Lord can do his thing. You don't even USE it at all, it just hangs out in your inventory for the rest of the game. Bonus for 5:43 - Don't forget the likelyhood due to his prior rant, if this guy got what he wanted, he probably would have forced someone to love his against their will, though that was already happening with the forced marriage. Fun and happy topics! Went past but we get a 2nd Great Sage ex Machima with them knowing how to seal the Genie since CONVENIENTLY they were the one that did it. On another not mentioned note, seems the primary reason the Desert Celebrity asks for help is not for the safety of the country, just mildly annoyed all their money was taken, I mean, look at how quickly they change their behavior around the Genie once he gives it back. Bonus for cameraman rant around 7:15 - In the 3ds version, there was no menu screen which gave SOME incentive. Here? They somehow couldn't even program the ability to remove the menu icon, basically making you PAY FOR A SCREENSHOT YOU COULD DO YOURSELF (7:44 shows this at its worst, holy hell look at a quarter of the screen covered by the menu). The fact there is an option to replay recent battles doesn't help with how meaningless this character's existence is. Around 8:06 - So the sisters can easily beat the Dark Lord, or at least make him retreat? Well why didn't they stick around to help us later, the jerks. And where was this power when he later suddenly shows up? Was it overrun by surprise? Since it is missed, apparently Elves can hear people's hearts, what? Bonus for 9:32 - Don't forget someone at the dev team willingly decided to make this thing INFLATE. Since not mentioned - So...the Dark Lord removed your teammate's faces and either A. Decided to let a few walk away from the castle when the monsters with their faces were in that area or B. Let them stay in same area, this depends where they were when the Dark Lord did that. Either way, he is dumb. Also not mentioned, the Cerebus can take 3 faces at once but the Dark Lord will never try said stunt with anyone else again because...reasons. And once again not mentioned, for some reason the Dark Lord MARKS ONE OF HIS ROOMS AS A BOSS ROOM. What is he HOPING the main character beats him up because it is starting to feel like it. Bonus for 11:26 - Despite what he says here, the Ex Dark Lord says later he had to see all of the Dark Lord's actions and thus should be QUITE AWARE rather than acting like not knowing a thing. What did he just think it was a weird dream at the time? Since not mentioned, what is the point of the Desert Celebrity's quest? The other 3 jewels have boss fights but her? Just walk around a dungeon and find a certain event space. Boring and feels like a waste meant to expand the playtime. Since not mentioned, due to wanting both characters to be visible, the Princess ends up FLOATING when the King and her face is freed again. Also since not mentioned, the fact BANANA FACTORIES exist in this universe. It can't mean bananas aren't natural, monkeys can drop some, so what is going on there? Is it just packing them or something? Random sin but it seems the moment someone becomes the Dark Lord, they instantly become a guy. The question is...how would ANYONE know the Dark Curse's gender right away? Bonus final boss sin - So the Darkest Lord PROVES he can steal faces off teammates since he does it for who faces his hands...so why doesn't he for the remaining party members? I think the Dark Curse has some sort of narcissist issue. Bonus sin - Either unlike the Ex Dark Lord, the Great Sage learned everything during their possession or this asshole knew what was going on and didn't try to do much about it until now, unless they really didn't connect Dark Lord and Dark Curse together. The postgame, since you brought it up, is a weird paradox. This game has the typical "refight the final boss" so the Darker Lord is still in the Otherworld. However, if you save him, the reborn Dark Curse hangs out in New Lumos. Either the fight happened or not game, make up your mind. One more sin for the fact that to 100% this game, you need to see the ending FOUR TIMES. Yes, four. You need to both Break the Curse and Save It, then repeat those two with the horse (or without it if you had the horse beforehand). They could that, yet weren't bothered to add the other new cutscenes, such as the feasts and first meeting the horse. I love this game, these are primarily things that lightly bother me.
Kbcoolkid They are saying the game tries to make you feel bad for not spending 20 gold for their pictures when you could just use the snapshot function present on basically every Switch console instead. The "free" part is said snapshot function, not referring to the photos from the cameraman.
I actually have a theory. This may seem a bit dark... But I think the Quiz Master is working for the Dark Lord. Evidence includes: A) How did he get in before you? B) Why would he stall the protagonists with quizzes, other than to slow them down??
That'd be a pretty neat idea, maybe in the end you could be given two options: either fight the former teammates who always had your back to save yourself from them (this results in a bad ending) or losing on purpose which results in letting them win (good ending, since the curse is broken). Honestly it'd be a great plot
@@kawee1 Maybe after the protagonist gets possessed, you would be able to choose which of the other 9 miis you would like to control (or you are just forced to control the second greenhorne Mii, aka your first ever ally, since it'd make the most sense) This would be a good feature since you are right, auto battles are almost never fun
Know this comment is a year old, but it’s explicitly stated (at least in the 3DS version) that the voice is just that: God himself. So you literally have the power of god on your side
@@Shiverous I always theorized that it was once the soul of a previous hero that fail his quest and sent trapped into a charm as a punishment. And in order to be remembered and accomplish something good, he’s giving his powers to the Mii heroes we made.
Maybe because the Curse severed his own face off and bled to death, resulting in his death. Stealing the face of a mii via magic won't kill them, however. It just places them in a sensory-deprived state, a fate worse than death.
Bonus sin: The tank's first ability is the human cannonball, and that makes your Miis quarrel, and it takes a while to get another ability that DOESN'T make the Miis quarrel. Plus, Butt Jabbing with the Imp job doesn't make you quarrel, so they should have added some consistency.
@@Bobo-Nose After everything he’s done, the option there is for the people still angry with him, and will loop until you feel sympathy so the plot continues as normal
I think cause the great sage said that something was special about us and also prevented us from being able to lose our job the last time we get attacked is the reason
@@beaufuller8222 Yeah but before meeting him. He could have taken the face of every villagers of greenhorn (Including protagonist) then get away with it.
The Dark curse could’ve been a scientist that was successful in removing their face since in one of the cutscenes with the scientist they mention how they fail in trying to “take off” their own face.
I think a mii can survive without their face as long as their face still exists. The dark cure destroyed their face, killing them. Also the mii’s faces talk, implying that the faces are still somewhat connected to their body and can use the organs that are connected to their face. Also also, HOW THE FRICK CAN THE MII’S SEE WITHOUT EYES!?
A couple of notes.. 1. For my miitopia story, the dark curse and the great sage actually were friends..that is until he stole the charm from her and used it to remove not just his face..but himself entirely, thus erasing his very existence and slowly but surely turning himself into the curse. 2. I don't exactly like how much the hero has been spared, I mean..they suffered alot more than the dark lord has. They lost a bunch of their friends, almost died on some occasions, and who knows what else! most of us (including me) really want a dark hero, a chance to play as our teammates, the people we as the player called friends and maybe even lovers, but now that we've turned our backs on them..we get to see things from their perspective. 3. I don't have the full game and I don't mind spoilers, but sweet lord does this look fun!
I never paid gold for the photos. If I wanted it so much, it's almost like you can take pictures on the Switch. A whole button for it, on the controller.
3:40 It says a lot about the allies when The Prince doesn't even help out, but the Ex Dark Lord gives you an HP Banana even though he does pitiful damage at that point in the game. 7:33 Good thing he doesn't appear in my Playthrough aside from the Pharaoh battle and the letters he sends me when I boot up the game. 13:25 This is why I don't do Explorer Quests. Waste of my time with a full Level 50 Team... ...So we're not gonna talk about Sickness. As someone who had to deal with that constantly, this leaves a hollow, unsatisfying taste in my mouth. Do you REALIZE how many times I had to visit the Darkest Lord or Break the Curse? Yeah. It's not fun!
I think that the dark curse's backstory implied that he just hated his face so much that it disappeared, but it might have just been to keep the game more family friendly
I realized something It is said that the dark curse died and became the dark curse after not having a face for a while. That could mean there are more Dark Curses, More Dark Lords, and hell More people like the protagonist and crew. However those people don’t have the Great Sage. So a lot of “protagonists” may have became Darker Lords. We don’t get to see the entire world of Miitopia So there’s a chance there’s other Dark Curses and Lords.
I think the miis that have their faces stolen are still alive because their faces still exists in the body of a monster or floating around. The dark curse died because because his/her face didn't exist anymore making the dark curse lose completely his/her identity.
Okay backstory I believed that the Mii died in a different way ( by the way this bit violent and also mentioned of blood ) Upset with there face in storm of rage grabbing a sharp dagger and removing face due to blood loss falling to the floor rotting there till they reform as the dark soul
Sin for the Quizmaster's Quizzes. On the DS version they're fine, but the fact that for the Switch where they gave us this crazy awesome makeup and hair system to go wild with our Miis on, the Quizmaster decides to quiz you on what your Miis look like under all the edits you've made to them. How am I supposed to know what Princess Rick Roll really looks like, The Riddler? (I know you can go to Edit Mii for any of your Miis to see what they're really like, but I still feel like they should have changed how Quizmaster's Quizzes work to take into account the new customization system they added to the game.) Also I really hope they do a Miitopia 2 or a Tomodachi Life Switch Port someday. There are improvements they can make for what's already a fun and crazy game that could make it even more awesome. Maybe some tweaks to some of the Jobs and Personalities so they all are equally viable, maybe giving us a little more control over what the AI of our party members do, multiple save files as people have mentioned, and maybe add a few more Jobs and Personalities for the sequel if they do one. Like one improvement they could do for the Chef Job that would make it top tier is that for food your Miis hate that you want them to eat to get certain stats up, maybe the Chef can cook or prepare the food to be something they're more nuetral towards. It'd have to have some stipulations to it to not make it busted, I know. But if they did something like that, perhaps some of the other jobs can do things outside of battles to make things more interesting. Perhaps Imps can set up little pranks around the Inn to get the Miis to laugh and boost everyone's friendship with the Imp up a bit or Vampire's can tell the other Mii's scary stories to achieve something similar. And the drawback to here could be the prank not going well or the scary stories being too nerve-wracking for a specific Mii so it might sour their relationship for a bit with the Imp/Vampire Mii.
Add like, 4 or 5 sins for the lackluster cpu AI of your teammates. From the Tanks (and presumably Chefs) constantly ruining friendships, to Flowers always making the party members angry instead of healing and negating any tactics, to Cats constantly trying to snag food from something like a snurp, to pincer being used when you want to hit all enemies at once (especially green snurps.)
the cat ai aiming for food is the best part of ot's ai you're not supposed to use the AI for anything else. also quick fix for chef singer fixes everything.
In the topic of the roaming photographer, how does he manage to take pictures of speech bubbles. Also, if you have your menu up at the moment the game decides to take the picture, he sells you a picture of the menu. HIS CAMERA GOES BEYOND THE FOURTH WALL As for how long a mii can last without a face, i assume it's at least a year because each time you reach an inn an entire day passes
I love this game, its one of my favorites now, but i was wondering theres still monsters with faces after you defeat the darker lord, supposedly all the faces have been returned. And when you kill an enemy, their face flies off like it always does. Where does the face go? All the faces have been return, am i giving someone an extra mouth when i kill an enemy? Or an extra eye? nintendo wtf
If I were the prince from a nearby land, I would've actually helped during the battle by giving hp bananas when someone is low on hp or attacking the monster using jump slash.
I think the dark curse died because he just yeeted his face into the abyss. Everyone else? Their face is put on a monster. Though starving could still happen, of course.
Add another sin for Mii’s with the “kind” personality sparing monsters. Like, those monsters have people’s faces on them, they don’t need to be spared????
the dark lord’s curse’s backstory is pretty darker than you expect. because the person died when they had their face torn off, they typically committed suicide, which is too much regarding miitopia is a game for kids.
I was wondering if someone would do one of these videos on Miitopia. I myself would’ve mentioned the frame drop issues during certain outings/cutscenes, and the terribleness of those pathways that split 3 ways. Still a very good video regardless, though.
I just want to say that I made the ddlc girls the fab fairies (and Sayori as the mischievous witch). And I feel really bad that I didnt do it coordinate to their hair color (Monika now is purple themed and Yuri has orange hair. Oh, and Natsuki is stuck with blinde hair), but oh well, the personalities and positions needed to be accurate.
Personally I feel the fairy dance (second one) should've deducted at least 5 - 10 sins, but what do I know? Also the dark lord had some of my personal miis customization-
Just two sins that you may or may haven't mentioned that I'm going to put down 1. The tank being the only job that allows hats to be visible when wearing a wig and only during battle 2. The Miis have a chance to buy the wrong thing
Please note that the prince of neksdor is so narsissistic that it's likely he's a spoiled child that took being called "prince" far to seriously. Would explain how there's no mention of royalty in the 2nd area and how a royal arranged marrage could be called off without political reprocussions.
13:25🐭I saw that in the 3ds version, when the rare/very rare snurp is about to disappear, their noses turn grey? Why? And why did they remove that in the switch version?🐭
The face seems to operate like the soul of people in this world. So what if the body degenerates after a while without the face? Strong-willed people (like the Protagonist if they lost their face for the amount of time or the Reborn) could transform into Curses or Blessings like the Dark Curse. Then they can be reborn by gifting the cast-aside face back to them. This feels like the KH2 Nobody arc…
There should be one less sin for this: The one about when Dark Lord shoots that beam but the Great Sage Saves him. The Dark lord spared him only because the fact that The great sage prevented him too. You can’t sin that because The Dark Lord should have stole his face but could not because of the Great Sage.
I think the Dark Curse's story has him disappear because he "cast away" his face, whatever that means. Whereas with the Dark Lord stealing faces, the face is still around, just stuck on a monster and still very much in existence. A Mii with no face at all however, can't still exist, so the Dark Curse just faded away idk it's still kinda confusing even with this line of thinking
You could of added a sin for the fact that you are being charged (although cheap, with videogame currency,) with a feature that the switch has, the pictures taken are usually okay (in my opinion). But with the switch you can take a screenshot any time with the screenshot button. Althought it is a feature that the 3ds did not have.
Something that I hope I'm not the only person to notice is, The doors/gates in the map, or even the rocks in neksdor, why can't you just walk around the doors, obviously walking around the doors to say, the sky scraper or the great pyramid is literally impossible, but thieves can literally teleport around and do damage, and mages can cause explosions. they did not need the genie at all. They also didn't need the gems for the doors. Still game of the year for me tho-
Answer:nothing...about the horse PS: I think the reason the protagonist is spared is because of the charm which gives him/her their powers in the first place
14:27 yeah a lot of people have been wondering if the great sage did that in the first place we could have avoided the birth of the darker lord but we'd still be wondering how the person possessed even got possessed in the first place and we would wonder if they liked being controlled or not
There are only 3 things wrong with miitopia
1: macho gear
2: fiends
3: lack of the ability to have multiple save files
My character are all GIRLS for God’s sake!!! P.S. macho gear SUCKS
At least now if you have multiple Switch accounts you can have multiple files.
But yes there are several cursed gears. That, the really...idk how to describe it Imp gears, and the maid outfits.
@@kirby1781 The demon imp outfit looks good on my cool imp
These are all completely valid complaints
If you have the digital version of the original game, it's actually pretty simple to have multiple save files for the game.
You can just backup your save data, and there's many slots for it.
And as someone who enjoys doing sprinkless runs of Miitopia, Fiends are the worst
You gotta love how the Dark Lord gets brighter and brighter with each form it takes. First form is dark purple, second form is light blue, third form is a literal sun gem.
I actually said out loud, “HE’S SO DARK, HE’S LIGHT!” when the darker lord was created
Imagine if the sky was aslo brighther when a brigther form appears instead of become dark grey
The darkest lord also cowers in fear aswell
For the Dark Curse's backstory, here are a few theories that I came up with (blood tw):
-Starvation seems like it could work,
-But suffocation would kill him faster since he doesn't have a nose, either.
-The game never specifies how he removes his face. In my headcanon, the Dark Curse cuts off his face and bleeds to death. The reason we don't see this with any of the Dark Lord's victims (and why they survive longer in general) is because he uses magic and can remove faces cleanly without letting any blood.
Unrelated: You removed 10 sins at the end instead of 11 for the party members and the horse. The horse deserves to be un-sinned.
Actually, if you look at the faceless Miis, you see they do keep their nose, they just lose the outline of their nose
@@derpybreads2212 the miis with flat noses are terrifying once they have stolen faces
I don’t think reality applies to miitopia as the way it does to us.
The great sage is SAYORI
@@abbyg3404wait how is he Sayori??
in the DS version of the general boss, when it attackes the Noble son, it does a charged punch that does 500 damage. in the switch version, it does a normal punch and we don't see the Noble sons hp drop at all. he just gets ko'd
Dude went from the possibility to have 400 health to be confirmed to have *none.*
@@Awoken_YKW_Fan9001 499 health. (Sry I had to say it)
@@kileyrushforth9233 you're both wrong. 500 health. 500 - 500 = 0.
Didn't know miitopia fit on the NDS
They mean 3ds
a few things i have to say about the "break the curse" ending
-they really should've phrased that better. "break the curse" and "save him" sound practically the same, as "breaking the curse" could be getting rid of the curse they were under and restoring their original body. so essentially, someone could choose this option thinking that they were saving the reborn and accidentally end up *murdering* them
-that deserves to be un-sinned just bc of the fact that the great sage claps for you in this ending
The main sin I have with it is the illusion of choice.
Both options end the game, but only one lets you do the final dungeon. From a lore standpoint I get why but from a game standpoint it makes the people who chose "break the curse" look silly and have to redo the final boss fight if they weren't aiming for 100% but finishing all the levels.
I thought u said “the great sage claps u” but I just read it wrong lol
@@TatsugiriTheFeesh
lmaooo
When I first played the game on the 3ds I picked break the curse because it wasn’t worth saving someone who made themself a villain until I saw there was more content for saving him. He doesn’t even give you anything for saving him.
Same happened to me...
9:57 Extra sin:
YOU'VE FOUGHT GOLEMS,SLIMES,GOBLINS,BANSHEES,AND *ACTUAL CLOUDS* ,MET A MAGE,FAIRIES,A GENIE,THE LIST GOES ON,YET DRAGONS SHOULDN'T BE REAL?
And met the literal sun
I know we fought a 3 headed dog that had our freinds disembodied faces on each of its 3 heads a couple weeks ago but dragons can’t exist ,They just can’t
Fun fact: Jace (or Pokeball in this case) really is the most useless party member, Ex-Darklord actually does a small amount of damage and heals you a decent amount. Also HIS CRYING GIVES ME LIIIIIFE!
Actually, What if the Dark Lord is intentionally screwing up so they could test the hero to see if they are a better host, like they are unhappy with their current host. They DO attack the hero the second they are free from the body of the original host.
You could be onto something with that theory.
Oh yeah it's all coming together
Tvtropes actually has a theory that the Ex-Dark Lord is actually fighting from the inside because after they’re freed it is revealed that the host is just an average person who got tempted and possessed so it’s possible that the whole time the Ex-Dark Lord was constantly resisting the Dark Curse’s efforts and making sure that they never offed the player
Like making a turkey fatter before killing it
@@mmmario8004 a game theory
I’m sorry
Rare Snurp: I'm gonna pick a fight with you!
*When the fight starts*
Rare Snurp: You know what? Nevermind.
I believe that a mii can survive indefinently without a face if it still exists, but the dark curse cast his face away, thus destroying it, thus destroying it's life force
My problem with the photographer is that he never gets good pictures it’s only when your inflicted with a status condition (like the pharaoh of spiders) or in a godawful position like the hamburger. YOU ARE A PHOTOGRAPHER TAKE GOOD PHOTOS
That is the best thing I’ve read about him so far
I've gotten two good photos from him lol
It’s the stupid photos that make it memorable😂
Just wait until he finds out about the screenshot button…
He's actually aware of that.
There’s 1 thing wrong with miitopia
1. You can’t take off the hat with the tank
i mean, where are they gonna shoot out of without the cannon? their ass?
@@clawcakes They just chuck the bullet they’re holding.
You can if you add wig
@@earthboundfan7459 yes but the hat gets re-added in battles
@@thealientree3821 that doesnt make much sense, I mean sure a little bit on the surface but its a TANK, like a real one and bullets dont do too much unless shot
It’s nice that I beat the game before this video came out, I no longer have to worry about spoilers.
I haven't i still have to level up my miis but I am super close to completing the game
I beat it on 3ds and switch so I would be very disappointed in myself if somehow I get spoiled considering I’ve beaten the tower of dread
I keep failing the final battle due to one character
Me too
Same but I beat it ten times
Considering every stage takes an in-game day to complete, sometimes more, and you can choose to just…not feed your party anything, including bananas and sweets if you use sprinkles wisely, I’m willing to bet that, rather than starve to death, faceless Miis simply just lose their true bodies when they give up on waiting or hoping for their face to return.
So their face is kinda like gives them their personality and life?
I wonder how many stages are in the games until the true final boss, because if so, it must have token months for the heroes.
Also I think the owner of the inns must be the richest guy of Miitopia for having multiple inns in all worlds!
@@HammySigvard I have a theory that each area has one Inn each, and that world’s Inn keeps teleporting to different areas, to give the heroes some much needed rest.
6:57 The Fact That Fiend Is everyone's Least Favorite Enemy Because He Does 999 Damage
not to mention that they mostly attack first too. AND if your miis wanna protect that 1 mii, they all die. i had it before and 3 miis tried to protect that one mii and all died
**ahem** Twerkey and Twergull. People DESPISE them.
Just wait until you find Terror Fiends.
I love fiends tho no asking why
Not terror fiends
I love how this game clearly doesn't take itself seriously at all. It adds to the charm of this game and I really like it for that.
Also, I'm glad this video was finally finished and released! Very nice video 👌
Honestly the only bad part of this game for me is the getting ill thing since it just makes a mii unusable for seemingly no reason
Yes!!! Especially when the controllable character gets sick. Then you have to watch the AI do all the fights and stuff for ages.
@ColdPillow Yyyyyes they can, and it's annoying as hell.
@@AngryEnby I like not having to do anything
@@silverhanma But it's still annoying for me. All the other characters (two thieves, a pop star, a chef, a mage, a cleric, a cat, a flower, and a tank) are level 41, meanwhile I'm a level 48 warrior who, not to toot my own horn, can deal an insane amount of damage. Watching the AI fight for you knowing full well you could have done a better job is frustrating.
@@AngryEnby that’s understandable
Bonus sins because I am that person
WARNING, THIS IS A SUPER LONG COMMENT -
The Dark Lord says he is STARTING with the people of Greenhorne, but since the main character gets attacked by a Rock Moth with Mii eyes, this is impossible. If he means stealing entire faces...why? Why would he prior leave people with mismatched faces, leaving parts he could use elsewhere?
Bonus around 3:33 - The prince mentions Servants, but said Servants are never seen or referenced again. In general it is strange we hear of Neskdor royalty and when we are in the location, all we run into are the townspeople and the local troublemaker. You would think the prince accidentally releasing a genie and the whole Greenhorne thing would get the attention of his "mama"/"mumsy".
Extra for 4:17 - My ONE defense for this guy is that this is likely the first time he saw someone lose their face. However the Noble's Son is also scared but actually tries to do something about it so...
Since it goes by, surprised no mention of the Calming Fruit since it basically serves no purpose to the plot except making you leave the castle area for a bit so the Dark Lord can do his thing. You don't even USE it at all, it just hangs out in your inventory for the rest of the game.
Bonus for 5:43 - Don't forget the likelyhood due to his prior rant, if this guy got what he wanted, he probably would have forced someone to love his against their will, though that was already happening with the forced marriage. Fun and happy topics!
Went past but we get a 2nd Great Sage ex Machima with them knowing how to seal the Genie since CONVENIENTLY they were the one that did it. On another not mentioned note, seems the primary reason the Desert Celebrity asks for help is not for the safety of the country, just mildly annoyed all their money was taken, I mean, look at how quickly they change their behavior around the Genie once he gives it back.
Bonus for cameraman rant around 7:15 - In the 3ds version, there was no menu screen which gave SOME incentive. Here? They somehow couldn't even program the ability to remove the menu icon, basically making you PAY FOR A SCREENSHOT YOU COULD DO YOURSELF (7:44 shows this at its worst, holy hell look at a quarter of the screen covered by the menu). The fact there is an option to replay recent battles doesn't help with how meaningless this character's existence is.
Around 8:06 - So the sisters can easily beat the Dark Lord, or at least make him retreat? Well why didn't they stick around to help us later, the jerks. And where was this power when he later suddenly shows up? Was it overrun by surprise?
Since it is missed, apparently Elves can hear people's hearts, what?
Bonus for 9:32 - Don't forget someone at the dev team willingly decided to make this thing INFLATE.
Since not mentioned - So...the Dark Lord removed your teammate's faces and either A. Decided to let a few walk away from the castle when the monsters with their faces were in that area or B. Let them stay in same area, this depends where they were when the Dark Lord did that. Either way, he is dumb.
Also not mentioned, the Cerebus can take 3 faces at once but the Dark Lord will never try said stunt with anyone else again because...reasons.
And once again not mentioned, for some reason the Dark Lord MARKS ONE OF HIS ROOMS AS A BOSS ROOM. What is he HOPING the main character beats him up because it is starting to feel like it.
Bonus for 11:26 - Despite what he says here, the Ex Dark Lord says later he had to see all of the Dark Lord's actions and thus should be QUITE AWARE rather than acting like not knowing a thing. What did he just think it was a weird dream at the time?
Since not mentioned, what is the point of the Desert Celebrity's quest? The other 3 jewels have boss fights but her? Just walk around a dungeon and find a certain event space. Boring and feels like a waste meant to expand the playtime.
Since not mentioned, due to wanting both characters to be visible, the Princess ends up FLOATING when the King and her face is freed again.
Also since not mentioned, the fact BANANA FACTORIES exist in this universe. It can't mean bananas aren't natural, monkeys can drop some, so what is going on there? Is it just packing them or something?
Random sin but it seems the moment someone becomes the Dark Lord, they instantly become a guy. The question is...how would ANYONE know the Dark Curse's gender right away?
Bonus final boss sin - So the Darkest Lord PROVES he can steal faces off teammates since he does it for who faces his hands...so why doesn't he for the remaining party members? I think the Dark Curse has some sort of narcissist issue.
Bonus sin - Either unlike the Ex Dark Lord, the Great Sage learned everything during their possession or this asshole knew what was going on and didn't try to do much about it until now, unless they really didn't connect Dark Lord and Dark Curse together.
The postgame, since you brought it up, is a weird paradox. This game has the typical "refight the final boss" so the Darker Lord is still in the Otherworld. However, if you save him, the reborn Dark Curse hangs out in New Lumos. Either the fight happened or not game, make up your mind.
One more sin for the fact that to 100% this game, you need to see the ending FOUR TIMES. Yes, four. You need to both Break the Curse and Save It, then repeat those two with the horse (or without it if you had the horse beforehand). They could that, yet weren't bothered to add the other new cutscenes, such as the feasts and first meeting the horse.
I love this game, these are primarily things that lightly bother me.
The cameraman one after you decline it makes him sad, but why is this game pitying me for not paying for something that I could do for free myself?
@@Oilipsy what you mean it’s free it’s in game currency
Kbcoolkid They are saying the game tries to make you feel bad for not spending 20 gold for their pictures when you could just use the snapshot function present on basically every Switch console instead. The "free" part is said snapshot function, not referring to the photos from the cameraman.
@@kirby1781 yeah I know I was being a dick
It’s not like 20 is that much though, so it is pretty much not that of a problem
I actually have a theory. This may seem a bit dark...
But I think the Quiz Master is working for the Dark Lord. Evidence includes:
A) How did he get in before you?
B) Why would he stall the protagonists with quizzes, other than to slow them down??
Also he doesn't do quizzes in town so basically the hero is the only one participant
Well, if he does work for the dark lord, why does he give you stuff if you win?
@@MrGrayMan1 it's a distraction from asking yourself that
ever since I saw this comment, it's been apart of my miitopia headcannon
Honestly, I kind of wanted the Dark Curse to possess the protagonist. I don't know how that would work, but it would be fun
I wonder how would that work
That'd be a pretty neat idea, maybe in the end you could be given two options: either fight the former teammates who always had your back to save yourself from them (this results in a bad ending) or losing on purpose which results in letting them win (good ending, since the curse is broken). Honestly it'd be a great plot
Then the battle's won't be fun, since there will be no point in the battles if atleast a mii can't be controlled
@@kawee1 Maybe after the protagonist gets possessed, you would be able to choose which of the other 9 miis you would like to control (or you are just forced to control the second greenhorne Mii, aka your first ever ally, since it'd make the most sense)
This would be a good feature since you are right, auto battles are almost never fun
@@Septyl or maybe you control your highest level mii
We never know exactly who was this godly voice who helped you during the adventure.
Know this comment is a year old, but it’s explicitly stated (at least in the 3DS version) that the voice is just that: God himself. So you literally have the power of god on your side
@@Shiverous I always theorized that it was once the soul of a previous hero that fail his quest and sent trapped into a charm as a punishment. And in order to be remembered and accomplish something good, he’s giving his powers to the Mii heroes we made.
Maybe because the Curse severed his own face off and bled to death, resulting in his death. Stealing the face of a mii via magic won't kill them, however. It just places them in a sensory-deprived state, a fate worse than death.
That is really religion based sounding
Also I think that otherworld used to be heaven because of the music backwards
Bonus sin: The tank's first ability is the human cannonball, and that makes your Miis quarrel, and it takes a while to get another ability that DOESN'T make the Miis quarrel. Plus, Butt Jabbing with the Imp job doesn't make you quarrel, so they should have added some consistency.
To be fair, the Miis don't know the Imp uses butt jab
And you frogot the fact that a sick mii can climb the inn because theyre either jealous or someone said their name...
suprised that you didn't count the fact that doing anything besides sparing the genie just causes a loop until you pick the option to spare him
I was sad you couldn’t do that but oh well
It’s for the plot, he breaks the rocks for you and his face gets stolen after the very short peace moment.
@@beaufuller8222 But why bother making it a choice though.
@@Bobo-Nose After everything he’s done, the option there is for the people still angry with him, and will loop until you feel sympathy so the plot continues as normal
@@beaufuller8222screw sympathy, get back in the lamp(joke)
Man could've literally just take main protagonist's face then get away with it
When I was playing the game I think the same exact thing
I think cause the great sage said that something was special about us and also prevented us from being able to lose our job the last time we get attacked is the reason
@@beaufuller8222 Yeah but before meeting him.
He could have taken the face of every villagers of greenhorn (Including protagonist) then get away with it.
@@giselengimbi2705 he didn’t see us a threat because we were but a simple traveller with no abilities so he thought we should suffer with the rest
Plot armor.
It’s really weird when they say “Prepare to taste defeat!” Like what are you going to do, feed me defeat or something?
Tastes like maple syrup on bacon.
Theory: the other world used to be the mii channel?
You have a point
Excuse me?! Hol' up!
*hol' up*
Interesting....
Edym
The Dark curse could’ve been a scientist that was successful in removing their face since in one of the cutscenes with the scientist they mention how they fail in trying to “take off” their own face.
I think a mii can survive without their face as long as their face still exists. The dark cure destroyed their face, killing them. Also the mii’s faces talk, implying that the faces are still somewhat connected to their body and can use the organs that are connected to their face. Also also, HOW THE FRICK CAN THE MII’S SEE WITHOUT EYES!?
Ears. They use their hearing senses. No one said their ears were removed, did they
@@Aliix458miis never had ears
A couple of notes..
1. For my miitopia story, the dark curse and the great sage actually were friends..that is until he stole the charm from her and used it to remove not just his face..but himself entirely, thus erasing his very existence and slowly but surely turning himself into the curse.
2. I don't exactly like how much the hero has been spared, I mean..they suffered alot more than the dark lord has. They lost a bunch of their friends, almost died on some occasions, and who knows what else! most of us (including me) really want a dark hero, a chance to play as our teammates, the people we as the player called friends and maybe even lovers, but now that we've turned our backs on them..we get to see things from their perspective.
3. I don't have the full game and I don't mind spoilers, but sweet lord does this look fun!
I never paid gold for the photos. If I wanted it so much, it's almost like you can take pictures on the Switch. A whole button for it, on the controller.
3:40 It says a lot about the allies when The Prince doesn't even help out, but the Ex Dark Lord gives you an HP Banana even though he does pitiful damage at that point in the game.
7:33 Good thing he doesn't appear in my Playthrough aside from the Pharaoh battle and the letters he sends me when I boot up the game.
13:25 This is why I don't do Explorer Quests. Waste of my time with a full Level 50 Team...
...So we're not gonna talk about Sickness. As someone who had to deal with that constantly, this leaves a hollow, unsatisfying taste in my mouth. Do you REALIZE how many times I had to visit the Darkest Lord or Break the Curse? Yeah. It's not fun!
Just take 3 weak miis to fight the left hand and they'll die, causing sick miis to become well again.
@@Awoken_YKW_Fan9001 This is basically the strategy I resorted to every time a powerful Mii of mine needed curing.
I think that the dark curse's backstory implied that he just hated his face so much that it disappeared, but it might have just been to keep the game more family friendly
I realized something
It is said that the dark curse died and became the dark curse after not having a face for a while.
That could mean there are more Dark Curses, More Dark Lords, and hell More people like the protagonist and crew. However those people don’t have the Great Sage. So a lot of “protagonists” may have became Darker Lords.
We don’t get to see the entire world of Miitopia So there’s a chance there’s other Dark Curses and Lords.
I suppose that explains the dark lord replicas you run into gladios island and New lumos.
HOLD IT
*slams fists on table*
at 11:41 you can hear an i phone/i pad Either getting plugged in or unplugged
I think the miis that have their faces stolen are still alive because their faces still exists in the body of a monster or floating around. The dark curse died because because his/her face didn't exist anymore making the dark curse lose completely his/her identity.
Also, when I beat the game on the DS version, I cried. I'm saying this because I haven't beaten the switch version yet
i lost my 2ds xl before i could beat it
F in the chat for Ur ds
@@silverhanma F
Okay backstory
I believed that the Mii died in a different way ( by the way this bit violent and also mentioned of blood )
Upset with there face in storm of rage grabbing a sharp dagger and
removing face due to blood loss falling to the floor rotting there till they reform as the dark soul
I got way too attached to all my mii s and got way too sad when they were kidnapped.
same 😔
Sin for the Quizmaster's Quizzes.
On the DS version they're fine, but the fact that for the Switch where they gave us this crazy awesome makeup and hair system to go wild with our Miis on, the Quizmaster decides to quiz you on what your Miis look like under all the edits you've made to them.
How am I supposed to know what Princess Rick Roll really looks like, The Riddler?
(I know you can go to Edit Mii for any of your Miis to see what they're really like, but I still feel like they should have changed how Quizmaster's Quizzes work to take into account the new customization system they added to the game.)
Also I really hope they do a Miitopia 2 or a Tomodachi Life Switch Port someday.
There are improvements they can make for what's already a fun and crazy game that could make it even more awesome.
Maybe some tweaks to some of the Jobs and Personalities so they all are equally viable, maybe giving us a little more control over what the AI of our party members do, multiple save files as people have mentioned, and maybe add a few more Jobs and Personalities for the sequel if they do one.
Like one improvement they could do for the Chef Job that would make it top tier is that for food your Miis hate that you want them to eat to get certain stats up, maybe the Chef can cook or prepare the food to be something they're more nuetral towards.
It'd have to have some stipulations to it to not make it busted, I know.
But if they did something like that, perhaps some of the other jobs can do things outside of battles to make things more interesting.
Perhaps Imps can set up little pranks around the Inn to get the Miis to laugh and boost everyone's friendship with the Imp up a bit or Vampire's can tell the other Mii's scary stories to achieve something similar. And the drawback to here could be the prank not going well or the scary stories being too nerve-wracking for a specific Mii so it might sour their relationship for a bit with the Imp/Vampire Mii.
Meanwhile my party was heading towards the Dark Lord's castle,they decided to camp out right in the enemy's territory,good idea guys. *ding*
7:12 he is also breaking the forth wall by being able to picture the menu which makes no sense
Add like, 4 or 5 sins for the lackluster cpu AI of your teammates. From the Tanks (and presumably Chefs) constantly ruining friendships, to Flowers always making the party members angry instead of healing and negating any tactics, to Cats constantly trying to snag food from something like a snurp, to pincer being used when you want to hit all enemies at once (especially green snurps.)
the cat ai aiming for food is the best part of ot's ai you're not supposed to use the AI for anything else. also quick fix for chef singer fixes everything.
Well the game is amazing it has some issues
1. QUARRELS
2. Bluff (Stubborn)
3.HP bananas/MP candies
4. Cant control your other party members
If you can control the other party members then that makes the main game more easier
You even put in captions at the bottom that’s awesome
13:44 We interuppt miitopia to bring you the opening to teletubbies
*_that broke me_*
The Snurp family somehow always being faster than you....especially when the very rare, behaves like Metal Slimes.
the "i wonder what's for dinner" quote is not worth a sin
Ah yes. The Darker Lord Sayori. Sort of fits honestly.
In the topic of the roaming photographer, how does he manage to take pictures of speech bubbles. Also, if you have your menu up at the moment the game decides to take the picture, he sells you a picture of the menu. HIS CAMERA GOES BEYOND THE FOURTH WALL
As for how long a mii can last without a face, i assume it's at least a year because each time you reach an inn an entire day passes
I love this game, its one of my favorites now, but i was wondering
theres still monsters with faces after you defeat the darker lord, supposedly all the faces have been returned. And when you kill an enemy, their face flies off like it always does.
Where does the face go? All the faces have been return, am i giving someone an extra mouth when i kill an enemy? Or an extra eye? nintendo wtf
1:25 always bugged me because neither ever use those moves again. Shit give an auto counter to mage, or give the dark lord his damn attack
If I were the prince from a nearby land, I would've actually helped during the battle by giving hp bananas when someone is low on hp or attacking the monster using jump slash.
I think the dark curse died because he just yeeted his face into the abyss. Everyone else? Their face is put on a monster. Though starving could still happen, of course.
Fun fact: the default great sage in the US is Sophie. But in EU, the default great sage is Brian
16:32 yes. flerting with a god
Add another sin for Mii’s with the “kind” personality sparing monsters. Like, those monsters have people’s faces on them, they don’t need to be spared????
I know right, I get annoyed when my mii does that sometimes. Like dude, that thing literally attacked us and you're sympathizing with it!?!?
I think the purple projectile is the thing he used to get rid of your job
the dark lord’s curse’s backstory is pretty darker than you expect. because the person died when they had their face torn off, they typically committed suicide, which is too much regarding miitopia is a game for kids.
6:06 POV: You accidently make eye contact with someone in the UK
Yeah... 😅🙈
I was wondering if someone would do one of these videos on Miitopia. I myself would’ve mentioned the frame drop issues during certain outings/cutscenes, and the terribleness of those pathways that split 3 ways. Still a very good video regardless, though.
Here’s something funny, after you rescued the princess, the king exposes the prince from a nearby land by saying he’s a wimp or something like that.
I just want to say that I made the ddlc girls the fab fairies (and Sayori as the mischievous witch). And I feel really bad that I didnt do it coordinate to their hair color (Monika now is purple themed and Yuri has orange hair. Oh, and Natsuki is stuck with blinde hair), but oh well, the personalities and positions needed to be accurate.
I feel he should have ended with 69 sins
Yeah I can't believe he missed that nice opportunity
Personally I feel the fairy dance (second one) should've deducted at least 5 - 10 sins, but what do I know?
Also the dark lord had some of my personal miis customization-
YES!!! FINALLY!!! THIS IS MY FAVORITE GAME ON THE SWITCH!!!
If only was Roy the Koopaling (which everyone loves) there for all Mario Kart Roy fans
6:36 cat boy: this is fine
9:45, wait, I remember these glitchy sound effects in the backround from an animation from saster......
Just two sins that you may or may haven't mentioned that I'm going to put down
1. The tank being the only job that allows hats to be visible when wearing a wig and only during battle
2. The Miis have a chance to buy the wrong thing
Please note that the prince of neksdor is so narsissistic that it's likely he's a spoiled child that took being called "prince" far to seriously. Would explain how there's no mention of royalty in the 2nd area and how a royal arranged marrage could be called off without political reprocussions.
I think here is a kingdome but not in the village
I thought saving the curse meant the chances of another Dark Lord rising were higher
God damn the Pokémon Sword reference for the shield and sword battle was unexpectedly clever.
13:25🐭I saw that in the 3ds version, when the rare/very rare snurp is about to disappear, their noses turn grey? Why? And why did they remove that in the switch version?🐭
The face seems to operate like the soul of people in this world. So what if the body degenerates after a while without the face? Strong-willed people (like the Protagonist if they lost their face for the amount of time or the Reborn) could transform into Curses or Blessings like the Dark Curse. Then they can be reborn by gifting the cast-aside face back to them. This feels like the KH2 Nobody arc…
This is one of the most funniest videos I’ve seen on TH-cam. XD
This is a great video. I’m glad to see this format of a review done for it.
at 9:43 you show a frame of your timer fullscreen lol
There should be one less sin for this: The one about when Dark Lord shoots that beam but the Great Sage Saves him. The Dark lord spared him only because the fact that The great sage prevented him too. You can’t sin that because The Dark Lord should have stole his face but could not because of the Great Sage.
"they don't have a mouth so they can not eat anything at all" waddle dees: are we jokes to you?
I think the Dark Curse's story has him disappear because he "cast away" his face, whatever that means. Whereas with the Dark Lord stealing faces, the face is still around, just stuck on a monster and still very much in existence. A Mii with no face at all however, can't still exist, so the Dark Curse just faded away
idk it's still kinda confusing even with this line of thinking
First thing that i noticed was that the dragon could have just flew to the to of the darker lord's castle
When youtube doesn't tell you about a video and find it 3 days later.
You could of added a sin for the fact that you are being charged (although cheap, with videogame currency,) with a feature that the switch has, the pictures taken are usually okay (in my opinion). But with the switch you can take a screenshot any time with the screenshot button. Althought it is a feature that the 3ds did not have.
a sin should have been taken off for the fab fairy dance
6:19 FINALLY, someone who uses the guest miis in miitopia (The ex-dark lord and nobles son are one of the best allies in this game)
Only thing bad with miitopia is that it isn’t long enough. It should take at least 1000 hours to beat, but it would still be a little short
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9:43 How did this even happen?
My head canon for the Dark Curse's backstory is they used some sort of dark magic that had major consequences that lead them to become the dark lord.
Something that I hope I'm not the only person to notice is, The doors/gates in the map, or even the rocks in neksdor, why can't you just walk around the doors, obviously walking around the doors to say, the sky scraper or the great pyramid is literally impossible, but thieves can literally teleport around and do damage, and mages can cause explosions. they did not need the genie at all. They also didn't need the gems for the doors. Still game of the year for me tho-
"Cinimasins" that warning screams "TRIGGERED"
Is nobody gonna talk about how the camera guy always takes photos of the protagonist or the teammates when something bad happens to them
The final boss of the main story is just so cool! Your other party members actually DO stuff instead of only 4.
Hey I’m offended tuwerky made this game I’m so triggered! 😂
Add 1 sin for every time the flower is selfish and only heals themselves.
For sin 80, the reason the Great Sage didn’t do that is because they didn’t know that was gonna happen, this time they actually knew the trick
Answer:nothing...about the horse
PS: I think the reason the protagonist is spared is because of the charm which gives him/her their powers in the first place
The fact there's only one horse in all of miitopia apparently and nobody questions it or comments on it is probably worth a single sin.
Therapist: Dragons aren’t real they can’t hurt you
The dragon: 10:15
Unsin for breaking the curse:
The curse say thank you after the kamehameha, and you must do the boss again to get to the final dungeon.
Your mii's power only gets sealed away two times as they've become too strong for the dark lord to seal away when he steals your team the third time
14:27 yeah a lot of people have been wondering if the great sage did that in the first place we could have avoided the birth of the darker lord but we'd still be wondering how the person possessed even got possessed in the first place and we would wonder if they liked being controlled or not