12 yo kid opened fire with .22 revolver towards pupils at same class. One dead 2 seriously injured. Weapon was taken from close relative, I have no further information about that and I dont want to speculate.
Whenever I hear the school shooting is caused by bullying argument it really makes me wonder if people have ever spoken to another human before or understand how emotions work. Because I think it’s definitely true that humiliation or even extremely traumatic events can give you feelings of aggression and make you angry at the fact that that happened to you. but like it doesn’t change your position on whether or not you should walk up to a random person on the sidewalk and just murder them. Like there’s a difference with dealing with aggression as a result of being bullied, and then taking that aggression out on random people that you never met. And it makes me wonder if the people that make that argument do it because they probably didn’t have to deal with much bullying through their life, and they’re not able to relate to other people with the experience? It definitely seems to be people like that who says it the most.
@@mrsTraveller64yes we know. He shouted something like ”iam not going to get bullied anymore” or something like that. It was confirmed in finnish media.
@@u1hpme Yes, but what kind of bullying, and by whom? it said he chose the two girls randomly, and it has not been confirmed that the boy who died bullied him! It said that the shooter was known as a troublemaker, usyally a child who gets bullied doesn't cause trouble, they are quiet, invisible, certainly not troublemakers. So that needs to be investigated, And if he was bullied, why was that? did he cause trouble to others ,did he annoy them, did he do something that made them angry and not want to be with him, or was he a sweet quiet boy who just got randomly bullied, that's what needs to be investigated. It will come out for sure.
My friend lives in Vantaa... I am from Estonia myself. I have walked over to the front door of this school. I have looked inside the windows. Luckily my friend doesn't go to that school, but when I heard the news from my classmate, they didn't say what town/city, and when I told them that my friend is from Vantaa they remembered that it happened there. May the innocent souls rest in peace.
Just putting this as I saw comments, and yes, I'm Finnish citizen from Söderkulla, Stop relating this to Ukraine, Putin, or any nato, do not make fun of this, very awful stuff, this has shocked us Finns alot, and yet people make stupid jokes out of this, stop it, or is it fun if we make jokes of this at you people, is that fun? No, so stop being jackasses. Thank you for those who understand, and have nice morning/day/evening/night. Moi moi, ja Terveisiä Suomen Tasavallasta.
Sorry that your country is going through this, and I apologize for my fellow Americans. Unfortunately in America, many people have just gotten used to school shootings, that we absolutely are desensitized when it happens here or elsewhere, plus the increase in people who literally fall for the dumbest conspiracies. I hope yall succeed in where we failed.
Basically alot of us Are Jackasses. Hell some gun lobbying group made fun of a politician who's child died in a school shooting... we are jackasses to ourselves as well
School shootings can happen anywhere, no matter how open and liberal society is. Experts puzzle over why school shootings happen and blame videos, films and computer games. Nobody thinks that bullying could possibly be to blame.
He got the gun from a relative. In Finland you are not allowed to carry a gun even with a gun permission, it has to be unloaded and you have to either be going hunting, to the shooting range or to the gunshop, and it must be completely unloaded. When at home or in temporary storage it must always be behind a lock. The only way he ever couldve gotten the gun is by neglegence of the gun owner, his relative. I hope the gun owner is getting stripped from his gun permission. But yes bullying is the real cause and it definitely happens a lot in Finland. Liberal thinking has nothing to do with it, mentality towards things that affect bullying doesnt change with it because every1 is so clueless about things that afffect bullying, nobody thinks about those things.
Kids don't just mimic this. There's plenty of bullying in schools and schools do not have the tools to deal with it. Usually in Finland if someone is severely bullied, the parents are asked or recommended that the kid should be moved to different school. The bully gets to stay, but the bullied potentially needs to uproot themselves and move elsewhere. This is what you get, when teachers aren't even allowed to physically intervene anymore and troubled children are thrown into regular classrooms. When I was growing up schools have special small classes for these individuals where they'd get more individualistic attention from specially trained teachers, but these classrooms were taken away for the sake of "inclusivity" and savings. The schools in Finland have suffered since.
joo,o. Tällaiset tapahtumat lisääntyy. Kun lisääntyy köyhyyys, ja eliitti ajattelee vain sitä, mistä saadaan ukrainaan kansanmurhaa varten rahaa, ei kanata kysellä, mistä johtuuu ihmisten paha olo. Elitin huono käytös, ei tee suomesta yhtään parempaa. Jatkuvaa venäjän vihamielistä mollamista päivin öin ja ainaista kiusantekoa. . Mitäpä jos aloittaisimme ystävällisemmän aikakauden, lopettaisimme paskanjauhannan iltasanomissa, iltalehtien palstoilla ja muussa mediassa. TXT, TV, sulkeutuu, se on hyvä alku, mitä vähemmän törkyä, sitä paremi elämä kansalaisille. Naapurivaltioiden on ryhdyttävä tekemään yhteistyötä, sen avulla saadaan tavalliselle kansalle halpaa sähköä, öljyä kaasua ruokaa yms. Elitin lopetettava ainainen vihanpito ja kiusanteko. Paljon on suomessa siivottavaa......
The world has unfortunately been violent and a messed up place since the dawn of man. Today we are just reminded about it constantly via social media and the news focusing on every world tragedy in real time. In many ways the world is actually safer and better than it has ever been - we just don’t feel like it has due to the constant flow of news and horrible footage circulating online 24/7
We are all in shock about this in Finland 😢💔 not easy at all for a 12 year old to get a g-un. There are strict rules and laws about owning a one. Very sad to hear.
@@theresedavis2526Obviously you don't hold gun license in Finland or know the process. Thus your opinion is and hot air. Hard to obtain has nothing to do with how many people are willing to go thru the process.
I hope it was not because of severe bullying that this kid chose to vent this way. The violence you see in movies, games, coupled with isolation, who knows what mental health issues, maybe bullying and not being included in groups could have reached boiling point. Still no excuse to kill and lives are changed forever for families involved. 💔
Well it is a fact that movies and games normalizes violence. People don't react to violence the way the brains used to before seeing violence so much in movirs and games. And if that happens eagly childhood it effects the mind more
It's funny that when it comes to the issue of bullying, the focus and emphasis is never on the act of bullying towards the victim but it's on the bully themselves when the victim retaliates or reacts. The issue of bullying will never be resolved for that reason.
its not they think we are stupid that's when you know the talmud jews are behind it ...yea they don't want Finland defending themselves against the talmud jews
The world indeed is a mess. There is somekind of recklessness going on, in high levels between governments, as well as the grassroots. Families are disfunctional, crime is increasing, wars...and the future doesnt look too bright. Lets escape to an AI generated virtual reaity ey?
This is why it’s important for journalists to refrain from publicizing the names of perpetrators. Individuals who commit such acts are often driven by a desire for notoriety that can last for decades. Indeed, some people are willing to commit the most heinous acts for this very reason. Why is this the case? It’s not only because human beings can still exhibit primitive and violent tendencies, but also due to narcissism. When narcissistic people see this on TV and social platforms, they believe it’s the perfect way to achieve instant and lasting fame. They essentially mimic these criminals. So, I implore journalists worldwide to stop publicizing the names of these killers. This could be a crucial step in preventing such atrocities.
‘This is why it’s important for journalists to refrain from publicizing the names of perpetrators’ This is the European Union, not the failed state of America. It is illegal to release the names of the perpetrators this early.
@@Heinrich-si3rx Um ... yes and no. Why? Not generaly, because the laws about releasing a killer’s name in the media vary across the European Union and that's the problem. But it’s of course, generally considered ethical to avoid doing so to prevent inspiring potential copycat crimes, in European countries. Also, just to mention that America is not a state, but a country. I know, America is often used to refer to the United States, but it’s technically a country, not a state. The full name, “United States of America,” indicates that it’s a federation of states united under a central government.
@@NetTubeUser Most often the words state and country can be used interchangeably. The US is often referred to as the "states". I guess in the example above the commenter might need to add an "s", but at this point its more about preference.
@@Mu_tant_ik You’re right that the terms ‘state’ and ‘country’ are often used interchangeably, especially in casual conversation. That said, in a more formal or technical context, they have distinct meanings. ‘State’ usually refers to a political entity within a country, like the states in the United States, while ‘country’ refers to a sovereign entity recognized by other countries. The term ‘states’ is often used colloquially to refer to the United States, but technically, it’s a country made up of states.
Yes, it's a sad, unbelievable, heartbreaking day here in Finland 🕊🕯💔🇫🇮 A minor, a 12 year old child has committed murder by shooting!😢😰 The question is how the child got the weapon!? Weapons, in private residences, must by law be kept locked in special weapons lockers. The parents will be held responsible as well because they neglected these weapon locker restrictions. Weapon license is also not easy to get in Finland and a child should never be able to access a weapon locker and weapons never be left without supervision, when they are taken out of these lockers.
Children are not always as sweet and angelic as we wish. Children steal money from their mother's purse, sweets from the shop...key to the gun cupboard 🤷 for some children it isn't such a huge leap. I'd be just as worried about the home life a twelve year old has that would make them do such a thing as to whether they were complying with the gun laws. Whatever, it's a terrible tragedy 😔
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts I hope info comes out asap, his relatives must be questioned, they must say something! The Finnish policy told media today the minor will not be held responsible. Of course he will immediately be handed over straight to the social welfare authorities. Another thing, the 12yo was walking some kilometers with the gun, before the police hunt him down. Were was he going and why still armed with the gun??? Not even throwing it away? So many questions
"The parents will be held responsible as well because they neglected these weapon locker restrictions." Did they confirm that it was neglectance? if not, stop speculation or sharing misinformation
As a Finnish I heard that that boy who shot would've been bullied earlier so... It's all wrong. I just can't feel sympathy for bullies, but this is just a talk and I don't know them. And only the facts count. Tragedies like this should never happen specially with kids.
Well first of all, they were all like 12 year olds. Not all 12 year olds has the mental capasity to regulate themselves (not all children are lucky to have good home to learn how to do the right things or how speak (like words), not puntch). Then secondly i've seen children claim that they are bullied and in the further research found out that they are the major bully in the class: but the reality that child was true to them: they just processed the world differently and projected their own actions. So no, while I think that bullying is horrible wrong and have suffered from bad bullying too as a young age, I still think this is not okay to say. And (Note:I feel empathy towards my bullies even tho they made my life hell. They were just kids and didn't know how to stop walking the path they were. Some of them weren't very talented so they needed to do more work to atcheave the same results as the rest, such as being their needs met etc.--easier to just compensate by bullying.)
1990 luvulla estin kaksi tapausta, molemmissa oli koulukiusaaminen kyseessä. Kävin henkilökohtaisesti poikien kotona, toinen itki aamulla, että äiti, minä en kouluun enään mene, kun siellä kiusaavat. Sanoin pojalle, että tule minun mukaani, takaan, ettei sinua enään kiusata. Poika suostui, saattelin hänet koulun pihalle ja kiusaajat oli kysynyt pojalta, että sulla oli oikein saattaja, poika oli vastannut, että hän on sellainen saattaja, että jos vielä kiusaatte, alkaa pitkä loma koulusta. Koulun jälkeen, tein vielä kiusaajille useaan kertaan selväksi, naamatusten, että jos touhu ei lopu, alkaa koulusta pitkä sairas loma. 6 kk, seurasin tilannetta, ja näin kiusaaminen loppui. On tehtävä asioita selväksi, mitä seuraa kiusaamisesta. Useiden vuosien jälkeen, he ovat tulleet taputteleman olkapäille, että mitäs äijä, kiitos että olit meidän turvana.
In China 🇨🇳, violent crimes are usually committed by the state, not individuals. Victims of violence are by the thousands. - Examples are: Tibetans in Tibet, Uyghurs in Xinjiang, Tiananmen Square, and Falun Gong.
Today, the Finnish police have announced to the public that the motive behind the act was school bullying. The shooter was bullied at school. Finland's National Broadcasting Company aired a documentary program on television titled "The Promised Land of Bullies. Kiusaajien luvattu maa" (11.9.2023) It questioned why bullying cannot be eradicated in Finnish schools. Studying in schools in Finland is too burdensome because of bullying. It is a common problem. Traditionally, schools have wanted to hide this issue. The problem of bullying in Finnish schools has been discussed in public for several decades, and nothing has been done to address the issue. In Finland, yesterday and today, the comments sections of news articles have been filled with comments from frustrated people. People do not believe that bullying is addressed because politicians are not interested in it. There are too many beautiful speeches. Actions are few. The PISA score of the Finnish school system has plummeted. Children in Finland feel unwell in schools.
Guys I ask one thing. Stop brining your opinions into this tragedy, keep them somewhere else. I don't care if you are racist or not, but don't try to prove a point using this, thank you.
@@JRMTZD Comments calling the shooter muslim, even though the shooter was finnish is racist. Saying shootings are an US export is racist. Is it really too much to ask for people to stop weaponising this event to push their own agenda?
@@JRMTZD that's not what he/she said, the point was to not prove anything regardless of you being a racist or not. He/she didn't say that you become a racist by telling the truth.
@Skaramoosh5 I think the op was referring to the fact that a lot of people immediately started spreading misinformation about the shooter being an immigrant, when in reality he's been confirmed to being Finnish. They're using this incident to push their agenda, regardless of what's true and what's not.
this is very sad but its also very rare case here in finland. unfortunately our laws always protect the criminals more than the victims. this kid will not be responsible for this action unfortunately,because of his age. and i think its bs, because 12yrs old knows what is wrong and right. he knows a gun is dangerous and not take it without premission. If he was an adult he would get around 10yrs anyways, because our laws arent really tought in here. just recentely a little 4yrs old kid was killed by his parents, basically his stepfather tortured him to death and mother did nothing to stop it, and they got 2yrs and 6yrs in prison. so you can imagine how many killers walk here free men after serving little time.
No wonder this child committed such a heinous crime without a second thought! Your laws are a joke! He knows that he will not suffer for his actions! Finland needs to reform their judicial system!
@@theresedavis2526In Finland we focus in rehabilitation and not just purely punishing. Going into American style of taking children to prison is not going to help anything
Whilst we can't say with any certainty whatsoever that this 12 year old was influenced by similar incidents elsewhere, I am beginning to question whether it is wise to broadcast these news stories other than in the country where it occurs. Perhaps the news should be released when the perpetrator of these crimes has been sentenced in a court of law with the full implications and not just of the crime itself. I suppose it still wouldn't stop all of these types of incidents happening, but I really do think we should start to look as how we can nip in the bud them spreading to countries where these types of crimes have been historically extremely rare.
I really don't think that is the problem. I get what you are saying, but like you also say it's not controllable to begin with the spreading of information as this. But then I don't think a 12 year old sees much of news at all normally, the problem is more related to him being able to get that gun to begin with and also what led him to do this.
Children pick up and awful lot. We know absolutely nothing about the child or his family. But many modern children are just left to their own devices and are given screens instead of human contact. Child controls are a joke and any self respecting twelve year old can bypass them. Even when I see parents with their children, even babies, the parent gives them a screen. So what they see is fake and almost exclusively horrible. This is their world. Children are starting school now not knowing what a book is, trying to run their finger across it rather than turn the page. He might not sit down and watch a properly edited news programme with his father in the evening, but I bet he sees short social media posts glamourising violence, even if it's just other children showing it. Children act thick to their parents, but they are far more switched on than we given them credit for. I think that the OP has a good point.
I can’t help but think it may inspire other bystanders to step up and help bullying victims. Kids can be cruel, looking back I wish I’d stepped up a few times when it happened at school over trivial things.
Siis ihan ehdottomasti ois aiheellista ryhtyä toimiin tollasten ehkäisemiseksi. Onneksi nykyinen hallitus on vähän kyvykkäämpi kohtaamaan asioita realistisesti, saattavat ehkä saadakin jotain aikaan jos vain rahat riittävät. Lienee niillä aika paljon käsillä talouden korjaamiseksi..
How come ppl are suprised and pretend like Jokela- and Kauhajoki shootings never happened? Not to downplay at all, it is tragic, just reminding yall: Finland is NOT the happy paradise you think it is.
Probably depends on if the parents need to be held accountable, that is what the recent case was about in the US. Not everything a child does automatically falls to the parents, these things are a lot more nuanced than that. I hope you don't think that every parent in the US is going to go to prison if their child commits a crime, this is not how it works.
Whoever owns the gun will most likely get at least some charges, as they failed their duty to keep the gun stored in a secure way from where it can not be obtained by outsiders.
@@Tuukkohakee This is if you think the kid wasn't able to just steal the gun. I mean there are no such thing as "safe place" when kids are involved, at least i knew where every single key was to all locked boxes when i was a kid, no matter how hard my parents tried to hide them.
"There has been one fatality, and they are calling it a tragic day." I mean, yes in America there are school shootings, in which more children die and that is really tragic, but that doesn't make a death of just one child any less tragic. Or am I the only one who thinks, that this sounds like he doesn't really think that this is tragic?
You're leaving out the context how it was said. The full quote is "The police have been briefing the media [...snip...] They have said - in the last few minutes - that there has been one fatality and they are calling it a 'tragic day'". That by no means implies it isn't tragic. It is merely recounting what the police has stated.
I believe a lot of Finnish people own hunting rifles and other weapons, so this was bound to happen at some point. The way forward would be preventing access. My condolences, for the family. Far to young to be taken.
Mental health needs to be the focus, people will always have access to dangerous tools that can harm people but most people don't have access to mental health resources.
@@Heinrich-si3rxThe mental health system is in a crisis in Finland, sure we technically have access to help, but in reality you’ll either wait a long time or just get some meds.
Kysymys 1. Onko kiusattu.? 2. Mitä on tapahtunut koulun jälkeen, siis aina koulun päätyttyä. 3. Koulukäyttäytyminen, koulun sisäinen ilmapiiri. 4. Hyvät ystävyyssuhteet koulussa sekä koulun ulkopuolella. Kannattaa aloittaa tutkinnat tästä.!
@@NotMrKlapu Olet väärässä. Vaatii todella paljon ihmiseltä kyetä ylittämään se kynnys että tappaa. Se ei sotilaallekkaan helppoa. Mutta kun sen kynnyksen pystyy ylittämään....
There have been school shootings in Finland before like the "Jokela" case, difference is that when they happen here you will hear about them on the news where as somewhere where they are daily affair they stop making the news. So the fact that it gets reported means Finland is very safe country and this is something very out of the normal.
I live 3km from the school where this happened and I still think it's very safe around here. The most common bad thing that can happen here is to be severely hit by a car. Shootings are so rare that they make headlines every time.
@@Vapourized90 that was my thinking before I wrote this post, I have a Finnish close friend, and from her experiences, she says Finland is quite safer than most countries, I agreed as well cause I checked the records although no country is completely safe, some are better than the other even by a far margin, although not all crimes committed in Finland makes the global headline, but I pray for peace everywhere, you really spoke my mind, thanks
In Finland, criminal liability begins at the age of 15. A person under the age of 18 cannot be sentenced to life imprisonment. What kind of law do you Brits and Americans have?
For the US, it varies from state to state, and then how the counties apply the laws within states. It’s not a clear answer and can be quite complicated.
We have to let everybody know including the Bullies Families. That Bullying and any forms of Harassment are Dangerous Physically and Mentally. Children who are Bullied are more likely to commit suicide or carry Weapons to School.
he must've gotten his fathers gun, which is by law supposed to be locked up since finland has STRICT laws, but it seems it wasn't locked up enough. we dont have firearms here, but we have hunting rifles, which is what was used
Finland is full of hunters and active reservists who train shooting. A LOT of guns per capita. As it should be, for this is not a gun issue, it's a mental health problem. We've had a sword attack in school too. As you said, this was a licensed gun and clearly it was not kept safe correctly. There are laws which tell you how you must keep your gun in a safe locked place. If you have multiple guns, you must have weapons locker, which is usually a very heavy locker made of iron and it may weigh about 200 kgs. The relative who the shooter stole the gun from is most likely to lose all of his guns and licenses. You lose them very easily in Finland if you break the law.
Doesn't matter, I see the same statements trying to excuse this hienous act. "Maybe he was bullied," that is not an excuse to commit a crime. If a bank robber robs a bank, we should say oh maybe because he was poor
@@duhni4551 exactly. I don't blame guns. This particular gun was clearly kept safe incorrectly. There has been a sword attack, people run over others with cars etc. People who desire to do these things will always find a way. Why punish honest hunters and active reservists by creating more gun laws, which are already very strict?
@@theresedavis2526 No one has given any access to gun for that kid. Also it was told today that the kid was bullied, so it is very basic story. Parents and authorities failed to stop it and rest is history.
@@Oozy9Millimeetah shootings will always happen because of the human factor. Finnland has been an extremely safe country in terms of shootings despite the fact that many on the country side have guns. Finnland does not have anywhere NEAR the amount of school shootings like in the US. It has worked for a long long time and I hope that this will never happen again. Finnland made changes and improvements whereas the US says: 2A shall not be infringed. Fuck it!:) we rather keep our guns then reduce the amount of shootings
@@godSPARDA1995 i need to double check but statistically Finland has the highest amount of school shootings supposedly. The second amendment is equally important as the 1st which guarantees the right to freedom of speech.. If your ever on the darker side of the internet check out how many mass murders happen in China it's usually done with cars ramming into people. They might take the guns away then knives ( like uk ) then hammers screwdrivers and bats and pipes... untill we figure out that its just better to keep everyone in a padded room. 2 Timothy 3:1-4 KJV [1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. [2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, [3] without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, [4] traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
School Shootings are extremely disturbing but it feels worse when happens outside of the USA. School and mass public shootings are 'American delight or privileges ' ( bitter sarcasm in case you do not get it)
Probably unethical of me, but I feel the same. Shooting was a bit too much but this is one of the things that might happen when bullying isn't taken seriously.
Kaikkein yleisin syy tällaiseen tekoon johtuu koulukiusaamisesta, joko koulussa, tahi koulun ulkopuolella, myös netissä. Lapset ovat nykyään hyvin raadollisia, kiusaamista tapahtuu kaikissa paikoissa, he eivät aina välttämättä ymmärrä tekemiään asioita, vaikka saattaakin tapahtua kiusaaminen. Henkiläkohtaiseti näen päivittäin, millaisia nuoret osaa olla. Kaikissa ikäluokissa tapahtuu kiusaamista. Kun ihminen kuvittelee, että olemmehan me jo 40-80 v. Me olemme fiksuja. Mutta katin kontit. Osaa ne aikuisetkin pirullisia olla. Kokoomuksen riistopolitiikka ei tee suomesta yhtään parempaa, myös heillä on peiliin katsomisen paikka, mihin ovat kansalaisten rahoja ja aseita antaneet, jopa ihmisten tappamiseen ukrainaan. Pitäisi myös eliitin ajatella, mihin verorahoja laitetaan, suomen sote- terveyspalvelut on romahdustilassa, eikä pidä maksattaa omilla kansalaisila itse tehtyjä virheitä. Nuoretkin oireilee.... Näin tätä suomea kuulkaatte tarkkaillaan, monessakin asiassa.
@@reijoheikkila4578 Älä nyt helvetissä ala selittämään etteivätkö kusipäät ymmärrä kusipäisyyttään. Kyllä ymmärtävät. Ja mitä politiikkaan tulee niin suurimmat kusipäät olen tavannut vasemmistolaisissa.
There are actually a lot of guns here, a lot of people hunt and some reservists are very active. There are strict laws though. The gun was a legal firearm and belonged to a relative
What do you mean ‘keep getting their hands on loaded guns’? The last time a school shooting happened in Finland was 2014, and this is only the 5th recorded school shooting in their entire history.
@@Heinrich-si3rx I didn't say ur country, I was asking why children are allowed loaded guns. It may not happen alot in ur country but children all over the world seem to be able to get their hands on weapons. One child's dead and two are seriously hurt, and u moan about how there hasn't been a shooting in years. Grow up sunshine
There is no direct problem with guns in Finland. They are part of the culture, for example, because of hunting. Children do not touch them without permission. In the history of Finland, such a young person has never done something similar. It was an immigrant area. And the perpetrator was a refugee. The gun belonged to the child's relative, there is no more detailed information. Completely foreign cultures bring crime to developed countries, and apparently young children are the victims. 😑
@@arvostan4381the fact 3 children have been shot would be a direct problem of guns in Finland not being respected by adults allowing children access to the guns.
STOP! with this blame game! This is not endemic to the US, this is a problem seen with groups of people. It’s sad the US, a melting pot, has to accept all types of cultures and be blamed for what those cultural clashes cause. Just STOP!
12 yo kid opened fire with .22 revolver towards pupils at same class. One dead 2 seriously injured. Weapon was taken from close relative, I have no further information about that and I dont want to speculate.
The minor is Russian I bet
.22 revolver? Whereb did you read that?
The kid is probably a migrant or Russian
@@eero979local news
@@eero979The Finnish police.
Stop bullying kids that seem awkward. You never know who'll be the one to snap.
Whenever I hear the school shooting is caused by bullying argument it really makes me wonder if people have ever spoken to another human before or understand how emotions work. Because I think it’s definitely true that humiliation or even extremely traumatic events can give you feelings of aggression and make you angry at the fact that that happened to you. but like it doesn’t change your position on whether or not you should walk up to a random person on the sidewalk and just murder them.
Like there’s a difference with dealing with aggression as a result of being bullied, and then taking that aggression out on random people that you never met. And it makes me wonder if the people that make that argument do it because they probably didn’t have to deal with much bullying through their life, and they’re not able to relate to other people with the experience? It definitely seems to be people like that who says it the most.
we don't know yet if it really was bullying towards him.or the other way around.
@@mrsTraveller64yes we know. He shouted something like ”iam not going to get bullied anymore” or something like that. It was confirmed in finnish media.
@@u1hpme Yes, but what kind of bullying, and by whom? it said he chose the two girls randomly, and it has not been confirmed that the boy who died bullied him! It said that the shooter was known as a troublemaker, usyally a child who gets bullied doesn't cause trouble, they are quiet, invisible, certainly not troublemakers. So that needs to be investigated, And if he was bullied, why was that? did he cause trouble to others ,did he annoy them, did he do something that made them angry and not want to be with him, or was he a sweet quiet boy who just got randomly bullied, that's what needs to be investigated. It will come out for sure.
@@u1hpme Just because he said it doesn't make it true
My condolences to the Finnish people and the parents involved. Very sad to lose any young life like this.
My friend lives in Vantaa... I am from Estonia myself. I have walked over to the front door of this school. I have looked inside the windows. Luckily my friend doesn't go to that school, but when I heard the news from my classmate, they didn't say what town/city, and when I told them that my friend is from Vantaa they remembered that it happened there.
May the innocent souls rest in peace.
Never expected to hear this sort of news from Finland. Absolutely stunned! May the little soul rest in peace.
Not the first time tho.
Why it has the highest murder rate in Europe
No we don't?@@lucylane7397
It can happen anywhere.
Given how youth violence has been groving in the past years, this was inevitable.
Very sad to hear
I shed tears brother 🇸🇪
Мамочки 😮🫣
❤️:) -🇫🇮
Not everything the Americans do needs to be copied.
I mean I think our country Finland has the most guns per capita in Europe.
You’re our sister country then
Most things the Americans do shouldn't be copied
Facts
Now take accountability for your actions and quit blaming the next guy.
It's what adults do.
Pls stop bullying, it can end rlly bad, sooner or later
Just putting this as I saw comments, and yes, I'm Finnish citizen from Söderkulla, Stop relating this to Ukraine, Putin, or any nato, do not make fun of this, very awful stuff, this has shocked us Finns alot, and yet people make stupid jokes out of this, stop it, or is it fun if we make jokes of this at you people, is that fun? No, so stop being jackasses.
Thank you for those who understand, and have nice morning/day/evening/night.
Moi moi, ja Terveisiä Suomen Tasavallasta.
Sorry that your country is going through this, and I apologize for my fellow Americans. Unfortunately in America, many people have just gotten used to school shootings, that we absolutely are desensitized when it happens here or elsewhere, plus the increase in people who literally fall for the dumbest conspiracies.
I hope yall succeed in where we failed.
Basically alot of us Are Jackasses. Hell some gun lobbying group made fun of a politician who's child died in a school shooting... we are jackasses to ourselves as well
first day on the internet?
Cringe
Do you know if it was an immigrant child?
School shootings can happen anywhere, no matter how open and liberal society is.
Experts puzzle over why school shootings happen and blame videos, films and computer games.
Nobody thinks that bullying could possibly be to blame.
Apart from many European countries where it hasn’t happened for decades. 🤷🏻♀️
It's the mentality of violence males are raised with by patriarchy everywhere, it's a common denominator
They happen because of guns. Nobody should have a revolver
@@Deano-Dron81well Finland has only had like 4. That's not much either
He got the gun from a relative. In Finland you are not allowed to carry a gun even with a gun permission, it has to be unloaded and you have to either be going hunting, to the shooting range or to the gunshop, and it must be completely unloaded. When at home or in temporary storage it must always be behind a lock.
The only way he ever couldve gotten the gun is by neglegence of the gun owner, his relative. I hope the gun owner is getting stripped from his gun permission.
But yes bullying is the real cause and it definitely happens a lot in Finland. Liberal thinking has nothing to do with it, mentality towards things that affect bullying doesnt change with it because every1 is so clueless about things that afffect bullying, nobody thinks about those things.
This is very sad. 1:23
Last time was 15 years ago. This is sad, I hope the kids on the edge of mimicking are caught now.
Kids don't just mimic this. There's plenty of bullying in schools and schools do not have the tools to deal with it. Usually in Finland if someone is severely bullied, the parents are asked or recommended that the kid should be moved to different school. The bully gets to stay, but the bullied potentially needs to uproot themselves and move elsewhere.
This is what you get, when teachers aren't even allowed to physically intervene anymore and troubled children are thrown into regular classrooms. When I was growing up schools have special small classes for these individuals where they'd get more individualistic attention from specially trained teachers, but these classrooms were taken away for the sake of "inclusivity" and savings. The schools in Finland have suffered since.
last shooting was 15 years ago, but in 2019 there was a school stabbing, which actually ended up killing one and injuring 10.
All because of a 12-year-old boy. What's the world coming to?
Almost killed myself when i was 9 and i live in finland so depression is not gone in any country
@skumar8817ok nazi, get out
Depression in males is a serious problem here
@@christophermccutcheon2143 Everywhere, males kill themselves 80 times more than females and that speaks a lot about "equality"
As a finnish person i was wondering that too
A very loud warning to bullies and their parents.
this is the worst thing ive ever heard of
i actually know a kid who goes to that school
he survived
poor kids, traumatized by a 12 year old 😭
Very sad, and a shock in any country with similar situation, 😢
Condolences to all involved in Finland 🇫🇮
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Atleast we ain't going to be the only one with strict gun laws. Brits had to live without guns since the Dunblane shooting of 1996.
How sad something that rarely happens in this country
joo,o. Tällaiset tapahtumat lisääntyy. Kun lisääntyy köyhyyys, ja eliitti ajattelee vain sitä, mistä saadaan ukrainaan kansanmurhaa varten rahaa, ei kanata kysellä, mistä johtuuu ihmisten paha olo. Elitin huono käytös, ei tee suomesta yhtään parempaa. Jatkuvaa venäjän vihamielistä mollamista päivin öin ja ainaista kiusantekoa. . Mitäpä jos aloittaisimme ystävällisemmän aikakauden, lopettaisimme paskanjauhannan iltasanomissa, iltalehtien palstoilla ja muussa mediassa. TXT, TV, sulkeutuu, se on hyvä alku, mitä vähemmän törkyä, sitä paremi elämä kansalaisille. Naapurivaltioiden on ryhdyttävä tekemään yhteistyötä, sen avulla saadaan tavalliselle kansalle halpaa sähköä, öljyä kaasua ruokaa yms. Elitin lopetettava ainainen vihanpito ja kiusanteko. Paljon on suomessa siivottavaa......
The world as a whole is just becoming a hell hole in recent years. Condolences to all the victims.
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@@aryangigachadBased pfp
The world has unfortunately been violent and a messed up place since the dawn of man. Today we are just reminded about it constantly via social media and the news focusing on every world tragedy in real time. In many ways the world is actually safer and better than it has ever been - we just don’t feel like it has due to the constant flow of news and horrible footage circulating online 24/7
We are all in shock about this in Finland 😢💔 not easy at all for a 12 year old to get a g-un. There are strict rules and laws about owning a one. Very sad to hear.
12 Year old can't own a gun legally but in this case he used a gun of relative that was legal.
Finland ranks high in gun ownership, within the EU! How can you say that obtaining a gun is difficult? Obviously, it's rather easy!
@@theresedavis2526Obviously you don't hold gun license in Finland or know the process. Thus your opinion is and hot air. Hard to obtain has nothing to do with how many people are willing to go thru the process.
@@theresedavis2526 yeah you clearly dont know the process how you get one in finland so why dont you just be quiet?
@@xYarbx Tiedän, surullisinta ja mitä ihmettellään on että miten hän sai sen sukulaiseltaan /lukkojen takaa. Tosi ikävää 😓
I hope it was not because of severe bullying that this kid chose to vent this way. The violence you see in movies, games, coupled with isolation, who knows what mental health issues, maybe bullying and not being included in groups could have reached boiling point.
Still no excuse to kill and lives are changed forever for families involved. 💔
that's when you know the talmud jews are behind it ...yea they don't want Finland defending themselves against the talmud jews
The police claim that the motive was having been bullied
What the hell has movies and games got anything to do with this??
Well it is a fact that movies and games normalizes violence. People don't react to violence the way the brains used to before seeing violence so much in movirs and games. And if that happens eagly childhood it effects the mind more
@@vop4813 that's bs
Very sad 😢
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Yet another tragedy ... 😢😢😢 RIP to the dead and the families suffering at this time . . .
It's funny that when it comes to the issue of bullying, the focus and emphasis is never on the act of bullying towards the victim but it's on the bully themselves when the victim retaliates or reacts. The issue of bullying will never be resolved for that reason.
These are absolutely heartbreaking news 💔😔 My deepest sympathy to all of Finland ❤
Fuck, 12 years old kids shooting. How is it possible?
Just males doing male things
@janviljoen9554 It happens everywhere where guns are permitted!
its not they think we are stupid that's when you know the talmud jews are behind it ...yea they don't want Finland defending themselves against the talmud jews
@@theresedavis2526 Happens even in places where guns are not permitted.
That shouldn't be surprising anymore. There was a six-year-old kid in the States who shot and killed another six-year-old in school
Condolences to the family and friends. The world is a mess!
The world indeed is a mess. There is somekind of recklessness going on, in high levels between governments, as well as the grassroots. Families are disfunctional, crime is increasing, wars...and the future doesnt look too bright. Lets escape to an AI generated virtual reaity ey?
Bullying is a problem in Finland even amongst grown ups
Bullying is a problem everywhere sadly.
This is why it’s important for journalists to refrain from publicizing the names of perpetrators. Individuals who commit such acts are often driven by a desire for notoriety that can last for decades. Indeed, some people are willing to commit the most heinous acts for this very reason. Why is this the case? It’s not only because human beings can still exhibit primitive and violent tendencies, but also due to narcissism.
When narcissistic people see this on TV and social platforms, they believe it’s the perfect way to achieve instant and lasting fame. They essentially mimic these criminals. So, I implore journalists worldwide to stop publicizing the names of these killers. This could be a crucial step in preventing such atrocities.
‘This is why it’s important for journalists to refrain from publicizing the names of perpetrators’
This is the European Union, not the failed state of America. It is illegal to release the names of the perpetrators this early.
@@Heinrich-si3rx Um ... yes and no. Why? Not generaly, because the laws about releasing a killer’s name in the media vary across the European Union and that's the problem. But it’s of course, generally considered ethical to avoid doing so to prevent inspiring potential copycat crimes, in European countries. Also, just to mention that America is not a state, but a country. I know, America is often used to refer to the United States, but it’s technically a country, not a state. The full name, “United States of America,” indicates that it’s a federation of states united under a central government.
@@NetTubeUser Most often the words state and country can be used interchangeably. The US is often referred to as the "states". I guess in the example above the commenter might need to add an "s", but at this point its more about preference.
@@Mu_tant_ik You’re right that the terms ‘state’ and ‘country’ are often used interchangeably, especially in casual conversation. That said, in a more formal or technical context, they have distinct meanings. ‘State’ usually refers to a political entity within a country, like the states in the United States, while ‘country’ refers to a sovereign entity recognized by other countries. The term ‘states’ is often used colloquially to refer to the United States, but technically, it’s a country made up of states.
Yes this is super important !! But this perpetrator is 12yo, meaning that this perpetrator remains anonymous to the public.
Yes, it's a sad, unbelievable, heartbreaking day here in Finland 🕊🕯💔🇫🇮 A minor, a 12 year old child has committed murder by shooting!😢😰 The question is how the child got the weapon!? Weapons, in private residences, must by law be kept locked in special weapons lockers. The parents will be held responsible as well because they neglected these weapon locker restrictions. Weapon license is also not easy to get in Finland and a child should never be able to access a weapon locker and weapons never be left without supervision, when they are taken out of these lockers.
Children are not always as sweet and angelic as we wish. Children steal money from their mother's purse, sweets from the shop...key to the gun cupboard 🤷 for some children it isn't such a huge leap. I'd be just as worried about the home life a twelve year old has that would make them do such a thing as to whether they were complying with the gun laws. Whatever, it's a terrible tragedy 😔
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts I hope info comes out asap, his relatives must be questioned, they must say something! The Finnish policy told media today the minor will not be held responsible. Of course he will immediately be handed over straight to the social welfare authorities. Another thing, the 12yo was walking some kilometers with the gun, before the police hunt him down. Were was he going and why still armed with the gun??? Not even throwing it away? So many questions
It was his cousin's revolver
😮 душераздирающие?????🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
"The parents will be held responsible as well because they neglected these weapon locker restrictions." Did they confirm that it was neglectance? if not, stop speculation or sharing misinformation
As a Finnish citizen, I am very sad to hear such unfortunate news.
As a Finnish I heard that that boy who shot would've been bullied earlier so... It's all wrong. I just can't feel sympathy for bullies, but this is just a talk and I don't know them. And only the facts count. Tragedies like this should never happen specially with kids.
Well first of all, they were all like 12 year olds. Not all 12 year olds has the mental capasity to regulate themselves (not all children are lucky to have good home to learn how to do the right things or how speak (like words), not puntch). Then secondly i've seen children claim that they are bullied and in the further research found out that they are the major bully in the class: but the reality that child was true to them: they just processed the world differently and projected their own actions. So no, while I think that bullying is horrible wrong and have suffered from bad bullying too as a young age, I still think this is not okay to say. And
(Note:I feel empathy towards my bullies even tho they made my life hell. They were just kids and didn't know how to stop walking the path they were. Some of them weren't very talented so they needed to do more work to atcheave the same results as the rest, such as being their needs met etc.--easier to just compensate by bullying.)
is it true the suspect is only 12 -.-
Unbelievable but true
@@Rumblingbellyits not unbelievable, yall think 12 years olds don't have any knowledge of guns? Yall act like they were 4 .
1990 luvulla estin kaksi tapausta, molemmissa oli koulukiusaaminen kyseessä. Kävin henkilökohtaisesti poikien kotona, toinen itki aamulla, että äiti, minä en kouluun enään mene, kun siellä kiusaavat. Sanoin pojalle, että tule minun mukaani, takaan, ettei sinua enään kiusata. Poika suostui, saattelin hänet koulun pihalle ja kiusaajat oli kysynyt pojalta, että sulla oli oikein saattaja, poika oli vastannut, että hän on sellainen saattaja, että jos vielä kiusaatte, alkaa pitkä loma koulusta. Koulun jälkeen, tein vielä kiusaajille useaan kertaan selväksi, naamatusten, että jos touhu ei lopu, alkaa koulusta pitkä sairas loma. 6 kk, seurasin tilannetta, ja näin kiusaaminen loppui. On tehtävä asioita selväksi, mitä seuraa kiusaamisesta. Useiden vuosien jälkeen, he ovat tulleet taputteleman olkapäille, että mitäs äijä, kiitos että olit meidän turvana.
Kiva tarina mutta valetta.
One boy dead and two girls seriously wounded
Sad day for Finland.
Condolanced from Canada 🇨🇦🤝🇫🇮
Are you chatting from Canada...😮?
In China 🇨🇳, violent crimes are usually committed by the state, not individuals. Victims of violence are by the thousands.
- Examples are: Tibetans in Tibet, Uyghurs in Xinjiang, Tiananmen Square, and Falun Gong.
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@@ToiChutGongWuCan’t handle the truth, huh?
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are the CCP are providing you those examples?
Today, the Finnish police have announced to the public that the motive behind the act was school bullying. The shooter was bullied at school. Finland's National Broadcasting Company aired a documentary program on television titled "The Promised Land of Bullies. Kiusaajien luvattu maa" (11.9.2023)
It questioned why bullying cannot be eradicated in Finnish schools. Studying in schools in Finland is too burdensome because of bullying. It is a common problem. Traditionally, schools have wanted to hide this issue. The problem of bullying in Finnish schools has been discussed in public for several decades, and nothing has been done to address the issue.
In Finland, yesterday and today, the comments sections of news articles have been filled with comments from frustrated people. People do not believe that bullying is addressed because politicians are not interested in it. There are too many beautiful speeches. Actions are few.
The PISA score of the Finnish school system has plummeted. Children in Finland feel unwell in schools.
stop lying
@@MaailmanNapa-pm9lwno lies detected
Very sorry, Finland.
That is horrible so sad
My deepest codolences from Iran 😪💔 May this will never happen again.
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Guys I ask one thing. Stop brining your opinions into this tragedy, keep them somewhere else. I don't care if you are racist or not, but don't try to prove a point using this, thank you.
Telling the truth does not make you racist. How silly of you to say such a comment😂😂😂
@@JRMTZD Comments calling the shooter muslim, even though the shooter was finnish is racist. Saying shootings are an US export is racist. Is it really too much to ask for people to stop weaponising this event to push their own agenda?
@@JRMTZD that's not what he/she said, the point was to not prove anything regardless of you being a racist or not. He/she didn't say that you become a racist by telling the truth.
@Skaramoosh5 I think the op was referring to the fact that a lot of people immediately started spreading misinformation about the shooter being an immigrant, when in reality he's been confirmed to being Finnish. They're using this incident to push their agenda, regardless of what's true and what's not.
this is very sad but its also very rare case here in finland. unfortunately our laws always protect the criminals more than the victims. this kid will not be responsible for this action unfortunately,because of his age. and i think its bs, because 12yrs old knows what is wrong and right. he knows a gun is dangerous and not take it without premission. If he was an adult he would get around 10yrs anyways, because our laws arent really tought in here. just recentely a little 4yrs old kid was killed by his parents, basically his stepfather tortured him to death and mother did nothing to stop it, and they got 2yrs and 6yrs in prison. so you can imagine how many killers walk here free men after serving little time.
No wonder this child committed such a heinous crime without a second thought! Your laws are a joke! He knows that he will not suffer for his actions! Finland needs to reform their judicial system!
@@theresedavis2526You're a foreigner, your opinion on our laws doesn't matter.
@@theresedavis2526In Finland we focus in rehabilitation and not just purely punishing. Going into American style of taking children to prison is not going to help anything
Finland has had 3 school shootings in 17 years. Is that very rare?
Yeah and not to mention school stabbing with a sword 2019 @@xenondoro8573
Finnish news says reason was bullying
12 !!!!
Im wondering how did he even get that, usually Finland has a very strict weapon policy
@@Jehema he got it from a relative
That’s what the news report said, yes. No need to shout.
It’s probably mental illness
@@BionicPig95 Yeah, but Jehema asked, so that's helpful.
Whilst we can't say with any certainty whatsoever that this 12 year old was influenced by similar incidents elsewhere, I am beginning to question whether it is wise to broadcast these news stories other than in the country where it occurs. Perhaps the news should be released when the perpetrator of these crimes has been sentenced in a court of law with the full implications and not just of the crime itself. I suppose it still wouldn't stop all of these types of incidents happening, but I really do think we should start to look as how we can nip in the bud them spreading to countries where these types of crimes have been historically extremely rare.
I really don't think that is the problem. I get what you are saying, but like you also say it's not controllable to begin with the spreading of information as this. But then I don't think a 12 year old sees much of news at all normally, the problem is more related to him being able to get that gun to begin with and also what led him to do this.
Children pick up and awful lot. We know absolutely nothing about the child or his family. But many modern children are just left to their own devices and are given screens instead of human contact. Child controls are a joke and any self respecting twelve year old can bypass them. Even when I see parents with their children, even babies, the parent gives them a screen. So what they see is fake and almost exclusively horrible. This is their world. Children are starting school now not knowing what a book is, trying to run their finger across it rather than turn the page. He might not sit down and watch a properly edited news programme with his father in the evening, but I bet he sees short social media posts glamourising violence, even if it's just other children showing it. Children act thick to their parents, but they are far more switched on than we given them credit for. I think that the OP has a good point.
In general, globalism doesnt seem to be healthy. At least in its current form.
The reason behind this was bullying
I can’t help but think it may inspire other bystanders to step up and help bullying victims.
Kids can be cruel, looking back I wish I’d stepped up a few times when it happened at school over trivial things.
Not in Helsinki but in Vantaa city. Correct your information pls.
it literally says Vantaa, maybe read?
@@motocrosser784Because I ask them to correct and they did. But very unprofessional coming from news channel giving wrong info.
The school is about 20 metres from the border of Helsinki, so close enough, I guess...
@@janariviik2634 Yes that is correct. But still Viertola is in Vantaa. It is sad sad day no matter where it happened. 🥺
@@janariviik2634 There's a river in between...
no idea, we live in a country in Africa. crime rate is very high, but not school shootings.
What has Africa to do with your crime/shooting?
How the hell does this video relate to Africa?
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They got gunmobs over there yall
??? Aren't there news about terrorists kidnapping schoolchildren every few months from Africa?
Дай Бог чтобы все были живы и здоровы 😢🙏🏻😢🙏🏻😢
Very sad.
"We know that 1 person died what more do we know abt this incident?"
0:37 people definetly laughing
How can people remain happy when the world is very crazy with crime, social media, drugs, gaming etc.?
That's something for you to think about
Idk why u pointing out gaming?
Gaming? Did you compare drugs to gaming??
Now where could a 12 yr old Finnish kid have gotten an idea like that?
Toivottavasti muillakin tämä tapaus menee syvälle tunteisiin ja saataisiin muutosta estääkseen tämänlaisten tapahtumien ennalta ehkäisyyn.
Siis ihan ehdottomasti ois aiheellista ryhtyä toimiin tollasten ehkäisemiseksi. Onneksi nykyinen hallitus on vähän kyvykkäämpi kohtaamaan asioita realistisesti, saattavat ehkä saadakin jotain aikaan jos vain rahat riittävät. Lienee niillä aika paljon käsillä talouden korjaamiseksi..
That boy who was killed was my friend's brother's friend
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Absolutely horrible 😢
Actually in Finland was before too schoolshootings and its not ok how adults keeping guns in Finland.
How come ppl are suprised and pretend like Jokela- and Kauhajoki shootings never happened?
Not to downplay at all, it is tragic, just reminding yall: Finland is NOT the happy paradise you think it is.
True, supposed overall quality of life doesnt shed light on the anti social families where many issues are rampant
Tragic... for the victims and the perpetrator.... so young and already screwed up
Olisikohan hyötyä, jos suomen nykyeliitti lopettaisi aseiden ja rahojen appamisen ukrainan sotaan, ja antaisi rahat suomen omaa kansaa varten.
@@reijoheikkila4578 Suksis vittuun koti ryssä. Tällä ole taas yhtään mitään tekemistä Ukrainan sodan kanssa.
is Finland going to punish the parents for what this child did or is this kid going to be held accountable for their OWN crime?
Probably depends on if the parents need to be held accountable, that is what the recent case was about in the US.
Not everything a child does automatically falls to the parents, these things are a lot more nuanced than that.
I hope you don't think that every parent in the US is going to go to prison if their child commits a crime, this is not how it works.
The child is going to be put into the custody of child protective services as they decide what to do, but no decision has been made yet.
Whoever owns the gun will most likely get at least some charges, as they failed their duty to keep the gun stored in a secure way from where it can not be obtained by outsiders.
@@Tuukkohakee This is if you think the kid wasn't able to just steal the gun. I mean there are no such thing as "safe place" when kids are involved, at least i knew where every single key was to all locked boxes when i was a kid, no matter how hard my parents tried to hide them.
@@duhni4551 and thats you just being a nosy little sh*t....
HE IS 12-YEARS OLD!
Seems like everyday is a tragic day?
IDK in what universe you live in but last time this happened was over 10 years ago.
"There has been one fatality, and they are calling it a tragic day." I mean, yes in America there are school shootings, in which more children die and that is really tragic, but that doesn't make a death of just one child any less tragic.
Or am I the only one who thinks, that this sounds like he doesn't really think that this is tragic?
You're leaving out the context how it was said. The full quote is "The police have been briefing the media [...snip...] They have said - in the last few minutes - that there has been one fatality and they are calling it a 'tragic day'".
That by no means implies it isn't tragic. It is merely recounting what the police has stated.
@@TheRawrnstuff Yes, that seems right. Sorry.
I believe a lot of Finnish people own hunting rifles and other weapons, so this was bound to happen at some point. The way forward would be preventing access.
My condolences, for the family. Far to young to be taken.
Mental health needs to be the focus, people will always have access to dangerous tools that can harm people but most people don't have access to mental health resources.
@@danielreed5199 Finnish people have access to mental health resources. If they aren’t getting help it’s because they don’t want to.
@@Heinrich-si3rxThe mental health system is in a crisis in Finland, sure we technically have access to help, but in reality you’ll either wait a long time or just get some meds.
This was a handgun, not a hunting firearm. Pistols are not very common in FInland
@@holokyttaja5476 Obviously!
Sofia does a good job of pronouncing the names.
Kysymys 1. Onko kiusattu.? 2. Mitä on tapahtunut koulun jälkeen, siis aina koulun päätyttyä. 3. Koulukäyttäytyminen, koulun sisäinen ilmapiiri. 4. Hyvät ystävyyssuhteet koulussa sekä koulun ulkopuolella. Kannattaa aloittaa tutkinnat tästä.!
Kysyä saat, mutta vastausta on turha odottaa sinulle joka olet asian ulkopuolinen.
Tämä on heikon lapsen tekoja, lapsen joka ei saa tunteita kasaa ja antaa tunteiden viedä.
@@NotMrKlapuchildren in general aren't good at holding emotion
@@euphoriaggaminghd Yup and getting emotions get control with a gun ends very bad
@@NotMrKlapu Olet väärässä. Vaatii todella paljon ihmiseltä kyetä ylittämään se kynnys että tappaa. Se ei sotilaallekkaan helppoa. Mutta kun sen kynnyksen pystyy ylittämään....
School shooting happened before in Finland
Many things are happening, even the safest of counties are no more safe anymore 😢
Do you really expect a safe country to be completely devoid of crime? That's very naive thinking
There have been school shootings in Finland before like the "Jokela" case, difference is that when they happen here you will hear about them on the news where as somewhere where they are daily affair they stop making the news. So the fact that it gets reported means Finland is very safe country and this is something very out of the normal.
@@xYarbx Wow 🤔
I live 3km from the school where this happened and I still think it's very safe around here. The most common bad thing that can happen here is to be severely hit by a car. Shootings are so rare that they make headlines every time.
@@Vapourized90 that was my thinking before I wrote this post, I have a Finnish close friend, and from her experiences, she says Finland is quite safer than most countries, I agreed as well cause I checked the records although no country is completely safe, some are better than the other even by a far margin, although not all crimes committed in Finland makes the global headline, but I pray for peace everywhere, you really spoke my mind, thanks
Just another day in Finland 😒
My condolences!
In Finland, criminal liability begins at the age of 15. A person under the age of 18 cannot be sentenced to life imprisonment. What kind of law do you Brits and Americans have?
For the US, it varies from state to state, and then how the counties apply the laws within states. It’s not a clear answer and can be quite complicated.
@@deirdrejones5974The US has no sense of unity. That's one of its major problems!
Severe bullying was involved. Bullying can drive kids to the breaking point, let this be a wake-up call.. please..
We have to let everybody know including the Bullies Families. That Bullying and any forms of Harassment are Dangerous Physically and Mentally. Children who are Bullied are more likely to commit suicide or carry Weapons to School.
I didn't know that it's possible to own a gun in finland even though it's a licensed gun. Very shocking.
finland has like the 3rd highest gun ownership in the world.
he must've gotten his fathers gun, which is by law supposed to be locked up since finland has STRICT laws, but it seems it wasn't locked up enough. we dont have firearms here, but we have hunting rifles, which is what was used
Finland is full of hunters and active reservists who train shooting. A LOT of guns per capita. As it should be, for this is not a gun issue, it's a mental health problem. We've had a sword attack in school too. As you said, this was a licensed gun and clearly it was not kept safe correctly. There are laws which tell you how you must keep your gun in a safe locked place. If you have multiple guns, you must have weapons locker, which is usually a very heavy locker made of iron and it may weigh about 200 kgs.
The relative who the shooter stole the gun from is most likely to lose all of his guns and licenses. You lose them very easily in Finland if you break the law.
@@Miksuuzz That explains much!
@@Jz9222 It's definitely a mental health issue; however, you don't let a mentally ill individual have access to a gun!
Its sad i live in FINLAND😓 and i am in that scool
Bullying, maybe .
Newspapers say that he was a bully
Probably best not to speculate, it just muddies the waters.
You already have one comment from Skege1000 who is now trying to push your narrative.
Doesn't matter, I see the same statements trying to excuse this hienous act. "Maybe he was bullied," that is not an excuse to commit a crime. If a bank robber robs a bank, we should say oh maybe because he was poor
@@yenada that is true. That is no excuse
@@yenada I don't think people are using it as an excuse, but a possible cause for this tragedy.
It's all about intolerance against eachother.
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This is insane
No it isn't .
Unlike America Finland will evaluate the situation and make changes to policy to ensure things like this don't happen again.
@solveeasy2056 Difference is that you try to block tools, not fix the actual cause what makes kids do these things.
Democrats are the problem. If we took blue cities out the picture US would have some of the lowest crime.@solveeasy2056
@@duhni4551 exactly. I don't blame guns. This particular gun was clearly kept safe incorrectly. There has been a sword attack, people run over others with cars etc. People who desire to do these things will always find a way. Why punish honest hunters and active reservists by creating more gun laws, which are already very strict?
@@duhni4551 The actual cause needs to be addressed; however, that doesn't excuse giving the mentally ill access to guns!
@@theresedavis2526 No one has given any access to gun for that kid. Also it was told today that the kid was bullied, so it is very basic story. Parents and authorities failed to stop it and rest is history.
The shooter was in this class couple months only?
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name of the perpetraitor?
He is 12 years old, it won't get released.
Perkele Saatana
@@blackinton2526 STHU! People are responsible for their own bad behaviour!
Is that why you went against your family and had a intimate relationship with me@@theresedavis2526
His name was riku i also have photos of him
Should ban schools!
Someone should ban you!
Finland decided not to be outdone by the US and stepped up their games.
I can already hear americans running: SeE? gUn CoNtRoL dOeSn‘T wOrK!!🤦
Well to be honest it doesn't...
@@Oozy9Millimeetah shootings will always happen because of the human factor.
Finnland has been an extremely safe country in terms of shootings despite the fact that many on the country side have guns.
Finnland does not have anywhere NEAR the amount of school shootings like in the US.
It has worked for a long long time and I hope that this will never happen again.
Finnland made changes and improvements whereas the US says: 2A shall not be infringed. Fuck it!:) we rather keep our guns then reduce the amount of shootings
@@godSPARDA1995 i need to double check but statistically Finland has the highest amount of school shootings supposedly.
The second amendment is equally important as the 1st which guarantees the right to freedom of speech..
If your ever on the darker side of the internet check out how many mass murders happen in China it's usually done with cars ramming into people.
They might take the guns away then knives ( like uk ) then hammers screwdrivers and bats and pipes... untill we figure out that its just better to keep everyone in a padded room.
2 Timothy 3:1-4 KJV
[1] This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. [2] For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, [3] without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, [4] traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
@@godSPARDA1995so wait, Finland has a bunch of guns.. but America is at fault because why again?
@@elliottbaker201 who said america is at fault?
I‘m just telling you what I expect to hear from 2A idiots lol
School Shootings are extremely disturbing but it feels worse when happens outside of the USA. School and mass public shootings are 'American delight or privileges ' ( bitter sarcasm in case you do not get it)
I am so sorry our sickness is spreading to other countries. My heart is shamed and broken as an American citizen, I cannot apologize enough for this.
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America didn't invent evil, Kain was the first killer, only reason we even hear about every American ill is because the media supremacy that US has...
Oh no, don't blame America for this
This ain't a special American delivered package you dumb fuck
@@pinkiesue849 very much an American problem
Very sad… this happens very often in the USA
Yeah bring up a country that has nothing to do with this you 🤡
If the victims were bullies I have no sympathy for them.
Probably unethical of me, but I feel the same. Shooting was a bit too much but this is one of the things that might happen when bullying isn't taken seriously.
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Niinpä
I AM FROM FINLAND, HORRIBLE.
Not that it makes it right, but I'd bet that kid was bullied by his victims. This isn't out of nowhere
He was a immigrant who was a violent problem case for long before this happened, they just dont want to talk about it because only whites evil
Stop speculating.
Pretty much the opposite it seems, kid was a bully. But it'll probably take a while for the "cover up" media to come out with that.
Kaikkein yleisin syy tällaiseen tekoon johtuu koulukiusaamisesta, joko koulussa, tahi koulun ulkopuolella, myös netissä. Lapset ovat nykyään hyvin raadollisia, kiusaamista tapahtuu kaikissa paikoissa, he eivät aina välttämättä ymmärrä tekemiään asioita, vaikka saattaakin tapahtua kiusaaminen. Henkiläkohtaiseti näen päivittäin, millaisia nuoret osaa olla. Kaikissa ikäluokissa tapahtuu kiusaamista. Kun ihminen kuvittelee, että olemmehan me jo 40-80 v. Me olemme fiksuja. Mutta katin kontit. Osaa ne aikuisetkin pirullisia olla. Kokoomuksen riistopolitiikka ei tee suomesta yhtään parempaa, myös heillä on peiliin katsomisen paikka, mihin ovat kansalaisten rahoja ja aseita antaneet, jopa ihmisten tappamiseen ukrainaan. Pitäisi myös eliitin ajatella, mihin verorahoja laitetaan, suomen sote- terveyspalvelut on romahdustilassa, eikä pidä maksattaa omilla kansalaisila itse tehtyjä virheitä. Nuoretkin oireilee.... Näin tätä suomea kuulkaatte tarkkaillaan, monessakin asiassa.
@@reijoheikkila4578 Älä nyt helvetissä ala selittämään etteivätkö kusipäät ymmärrä kusipäisyyttään. Kyllä ymmärtävät. Ja mitä politiikkaan tulee niin suurimmat kusipäät olen tavannut vasemmistolaisissa.
I thought guns were illegal in Finland. How did a young boy get a hold of a gun?
Guns in finland are mass things in homes
There are actually a lot of guns here, a lot of people hunt and some reservists are very active. There are strict laws though. The gun was a legal firearm and belonged to a relative
Gun was owned by cousin
You must have gotten that information from your arse because Finland has third highest gun ownership per capita
Our goverment has sent already 1.64 billion euros military "aid" to Ukraine and at the same time our public healthcare is suffering in lack of funds.
Don't bring your rusky propaganda in this one vatnik.
whatchy mean your government? asiatic ahh
Mikä venäjän mikkihiiri se täällä taas ulisee
I fail to see the connection.
Ryssähuora
*С ума СОЙТИ!!!!* 💥💥🤯🤯🤯🫣🫣
in finland if your are under 15 years even a murder is legal
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It's not legal. They (as everyone else country) don't prosecute childrens
I just don't understand how children keep getting their hands on loaded guns??????
What do you mean ‘keep getting their hands on loaded guns’? The last time a school shooting happened in Finland was 2014, and this is only the 5th recorded school shooting in their entire history.
@@Heinrich-si3rx I didn't say ur country, I was asking why children are allowed loaded guns. It may not happen alot in ur country but children all over the world seem to be able to get their hands on weapons. One child's dead and two are seriously hurt, and u moan about how there hasn't been a shooting in years. Grow up sunshine
There is no direct problem with guns in Finland. They are part of the culture, for example, because of hunting. Children do not touch them without permission. In the history of Finland, such a young person has never done something similar. It was an immigrant area. And the perpetrator was a refugee. The gun belonged to the child's relative, there is no more detailed information. Completely foreign cultures bring crime to developed countries, and apparently young children are the victims. 😑
@@arvostan4381 where did you get that information? None of what you have said has been made public so is just hearsay.
@@arvostan4381the fact 3 children have been shot would be a direct problem of guns in Finland not being respected by adults allowing children access to the guns.
Who is the owner of the gun?
The perpetrator's cousin.
The Kid stole The gun from his relatives gun safe
What a sight to behold, Imported culture from land of the free and home of the brave, yeehaaa
What makes you think it is somehow imported culture? Did you think people can't be pushed to desperate situations elsewhere but in USA?
STOP! with this blame game!
This is not endemic to the US, this is a problem seen with groups of people. It’s sad the US, a melting pot, has to accept all types of cultures and be blamed for what those cultural clashes cause.
Just STOP!