Has Powercreep Finally Reached the Tipping Point? 🤔 [Fire Emblem Heroes]

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  • @Quiqueleal85
    @Quiqueleal85 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

    when you think feh reached peak stupid on power creep... they always manage to surprise us a month later.

  • @kamer7687
    @kamer7687 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    To be fair, King Freyr is the ONLY unit who can counter undefended. It is very easy to stack more than 2 penalties for Micaiah/Celine. Every team should run him, but not every team does.

  • @fabriciostatzner8199
    @fabriciostatzner8199 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I'm glad my comment ignited some conversation about the state of the game. In a grid-based game, if units can attack each other without moving or can cross the map, attack, attack again, then move back, it's bound to get to a state they can't put that genie back in the bottle and we reach the state this game is now. One could argue that, in the past, if you were to have certain skills you could get by without many issues. Nowadays it seems that unless you have the best skills in place for the newest prf-powercrept units you are doomed to fail or at least struggle massively. I am a player who has been at VoH and tier 21 Arena (with Ninja Corrin) for years now, and while Arena has still been somewhat manageable and even fun, AR has been miserable for the past 5-6 months now. For SD, I got to tier 17-18 in SDS before realizing I was not having any fun, so I've not played it for months now. So my comment wasn't coming from a casual who doesn't know his way around the game, but from somone who had been able to keep OG Lucina viable from day 1 until a few months ago with reasonable success. Hell, for a long time I even rocked Kaze as my main tank for AR-O, though those days are long gone. Great video, Tacho!

  • @dragoonprime9829
    @dragoonprime9829 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    It took me a while to realize i only played for the characters and not the game. I dropped it affer pulling for new years

    • @TheChildofAuraReborn
      @TheChildofAuraReborn 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Even playing the game for characters is hard when they keep picking the same overused characters again and again without getting any interesting picks. 2/3 of seasonal banners are now just Three Houses/Engage, or if it’s not those two it’s the same picks over and over (Chrom/Tharja from Awakening, royals from Sacred Stones, royals/Kagero from Fates, etc). I can’t really remember the last time we had an interesting banner pick.

    • @tacho9427
      @tacho9427  21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@TheChildofAuraReborn Idk, I thought Uther was a really cool pick and he was last month

    • @TheChildofAuraReborn
      @TheChildofAuraReborn 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@tacho9427 Sorry, I worded my comment poorly. I meant to say more that the seasonal banners tend to have very un-exciting picks, not the New Heroes banners. The New Heroes banners usually tend to be pretty goat'd when they don't cram in TOO many Attuned/Re-Armed units who already are in the game; I really liked Uther AND Oswin being added in. But the seasonal banners get... tiring sometimes, when they keep picking the same units over and over and when Engage and Three Houses take up a lot of the character spaces. I like seeing INTERESTING picks, like Fuga for his Wind Tribe banner or Christmas Black Knight, over seeing Lynn/Edelgard/Dimitri/Chrom or whoever getting their millionth alt.
      Edit: Greatest New Heroes banner moment for me will forever be Mustafa being on the main headline for the Book 4 Awakening banner. Severely underrated character getting his time to shine is awesome.

  • @BocchiTheBox
    @BocchiTheBox 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Reminder Ninja Lyn is getting a refine sometime within the next 3 months. The first ninja banner is next in line in the seasonal refine pool. So after Duo Tiki which is in the upcoming batch. Ninja Lyn and Ninja Laevatainn should be coming up. I'm more excited for Laevatainn personally, but Lyn is the one a lot of people have +10 cause she was relevant for pretty much an entire year and only fell off not cause she wasn't winning, but because Ninja Corrin released who did the same thing but slightly better by being a cav. Which really shows just how good Lyn was.

    • @ALEXMARTINEZ-dz7so
      @ALEXMARTINEZ-dz7so 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Oh? Ninja units will get their refine? Are you certain?? I thought IS wouldn't make them but I could be totally wrong 😅 (and happy in that case)

    • @tacho9427
      @tacho9427  20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ALEXMARTINEZ-dz7so They definitely will, it just hasn't been any of their turns yet

    • @BocchiTheBox
      @BocchiTheBox 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ALEXMARTINEZ-dz7so When it comes to refines the pattern we've been following is pretty simple.
      1. It goes in order of the release banner. (unit chosen from each banner is random and only 1 is chosen per month)
      2. Unit must already have a prf weapon
      3. they must not be a dancer/singer (no current precedent set for Duo/harmonic refresh skills)
      So we know for a fact the next batch should be Harmonic Tiki cause she was in the Halloween banner batch.
      As for March we know it can be either Laevatainn or Duo Lyn just not which one is chosen first. The one that wasn't in March will by default be the one in April. Every other Ninja character from this banner doesn't have a prf so they'll be skipped then we go into Winter 2020 units the following months (Bernadetta and Duo Altina)

    • @ALEXMARTINEZ-dz7so
      @ALEXMARTINEZ-dz7so 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BocchiTheBox I see. However there had been some exceptions in the past like Surtr, Reinhardt and Olwen (these last two used brave weapons like the Ninja heroes we all love and that's why it makes me suspect). Do you know why they did that?🤔

    • @BocchiTheBox
      @BocchiTheBox 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@ALEXMARTINEZ-dz7so The brave refine curse was lifted a long time ago.Reinhardt and Olwen are merely exceptions.
      Out of brave refines we've gotten Keaton refine, Duo Palla, Lex, Arden, Ross, etc.
      There is a bigger history of getting brave refines than not getting brave refines. IS used to only do conditional brave refines like Cain and Est. Eventually we started seeing full brave effects with an expansive list of effects. You can probably thank Duo Catria for that.

  • @nebby9751
    @nebby9751 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I feel like the C slot is where the powercreep is really starting to show its strain.
    You gotta have BoL to not die to Melt damage. You gotta have Canto curb to not be bullshitted to death. You need ploy, you need saves, you need some kind of warp prevention, nukes need to run some kind of hush spectrum insurance. Meta dependent, Fatal Smoke might be needed to turn off miracle abuse. Feud isn't as big anymore but it's absolutely a skill I can see coming back under the right conditions.
    The C skills role as the support skill slot is breaking its back under the amount of win-cons it needs to defend against autolosing to.
    While something as broken as Guidance4 falling off due to stuff like Sigurd and Celica rings might be a better example, I think NFU is the much funnier example. Skill went from B slot to an S slot, then got a C slot variant, and then because it had way too much competition in the C slot they had to just throw full NFU on an A slot as well. NFU was the original anti-cheat mechanic skill, and it's getting increasingly hard to find ways to run it if you don't have space on your team for someone who gives it as support

  • @hanzou1238
    @hanzou1238 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I think the powercreep would be much better if it was all through skills. Tone down the individual units and make the skills better. I feel that Shield Fighter is a good version of powercreep since old units can still take advantage of to to be good, same goes for skills like Laguz Friend. Skills allow for older units to match newer ones, and this still incentives pulling on banners so IS makes money. This benefits everyone involved, and people can still use their favorites.

    • @erikshoe6441
      @erikshoe6441 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      IMO skill creep is also out of control. We constantly get new tier 4 skills that blatantly powercreep other variants which are barely a month old. E.g. barricade/higher ground or stronghold/fortifications.

    • @hanzou1238
      @hanzou1238 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @erikshoe6441 Stronghold and Fortifications are side grades not power crept. Fortifications requires you to enter combat so Stronghold is still better for baiting, or on units that want bulk without entering combat. You can still have penalties and be panicked with Fortifications too.
      Higher ground is only for Armors while Barricade is still the best C slot for any non armored beast or dragon. Most skills we get a month apart are side grades and not upgrades.

  • @SadFace229
    @SadFace229 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    I'll never forgive Fallen Edelgard for supercharging this Powercreep train.

    • @megaexplosion7488
      @megaexplosion7488 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      im not excited for that refine at all

    • @random__idiot
      @random__idiot 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I never found FEdel that bad tbh. She was pretty OP but that was back in the day when you could just put e.g. armorsmasher and NFU on some random f2p unit and beat her.

  • @pongiethorn
    @pongiethorn 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I hope so! Emblem Lyn as a unit, as ring attached to Micaiah, healers, and everyone's mother, and Rearmed Leila caused multiple AR-D losses for me this past week. My duo Thorr was useless against them.

  • @Paiguy7
    @Paiguy7 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I'm so sick of every other banner shifting the meta entirely and emblems shattering the game every time a new one drops

  • @Kirbv
    @Kirbv 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Soon all units won't even need to move to attack😂

    • @jsterdawg72
      @jsterdawg72 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      So just pawns of Loki the game 😂

    • @Kirbv
      @Kirbv 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @jsterdawg72 yup😭

  • @Uniacoty
    @Uniacoty 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Lyn's style has been absolutely crazy. Because like you said, you dont have to move, just kill the FS with some nuke supported by DS/TA then use Lyn to pick off a second unit. No more hit and run, just hit and sit.
    I thought Lyn emblem effect would have given brave attack. Would have been more balanced because it would allow many nukes to kill those really stong armors without support from Catria but they would still have to worry about traps and CC and actually hit and run.

  • @sincromelon2912
    @sincromelon2912 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    realistically this was the best way to counter Felix

  • @PenguinWithInternetAccess
    @PenguinWithInternetAccess 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Everytime the new unit counters a broken strat I can feel the "I wouldn't say freed, more like under new management" meme

  • @Copyrightbreaker22
    @Copyrightbreaker22 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    now I got Emblem Lyn I make it a sport to see if I can finish a map without moving the characters

  • @usvidragonslayer3091
    @usvidragonslayer3091 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I stop thinking about power creep in FEH since 2018. So, at this point, i wouldn't be surprise if Intelligent System created a unit that is more broken that the previous one.

  • @kwambro9191
    @kwambro9191 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ymir saw a huge resurgence in SD, so isolation got even stronger

  • @SweaterPuppys
    @SweaterPuppys 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m actually a fan of powercreep in a way because I love to see what the follow up to last months update looks like
    Lyn being an example, what will Intsys think of to circumvent ballista range? new emblem effect? it’s always interesting

  • @random__idiot
    @random__idiot 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    There's always a lot of doomsaying about powercreep, but its essential for the game to work. Otherwise we'd have all built our teams in the first 6 months then got bored and quit. They've generally done a pretty good job of balancing the game (with a few very notable exceptions), meaning that, with some effort, your old favourites can still be viable for years.
    However, there have been times where the new tank is just completely undamageable by older units (or the new nuke one-shots all your older tanks). As long as you can chip away at the new tanks and eventually take them down, its fine - but even thats not an option any more.

  • @TheRevivedKishin
    @TheRevivedKishin 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Peak Thumbnail Lol! Fucking love it

  • @erikshoe6441
    @erikshoe6441 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    With New Year Tana I can literally get my entire team into the opposite corner of the map on turn 1. It's just comical at this point.

  • @SomeWheats
    @SomeWheats 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The unit movement, range and warping just has gotten out of hand for some time. If the state of the mobile game was transfered over one of the mainline games, I think people would just outright call it bad. Units shouldn't cover 80-90% of a map (on top of some of them having self-dance abilities).

  • @Nada-mm2nk
    @Nada-mm2nk 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Don't worry. They haven't even tackled things like invisibility or duplication of a unit in battle. So many broken. Possibilities

  • @learnthis4768
    @learnthis4768 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Has anyone showcased duo Dagr with Tana’s warping?

    • @tacho9427
      @tacho9427  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Idk, but if you're using Tana then the pathfinder from Dagr wouldn't be needed

  • @CatsLilaSalem
    @CatsLilaSalem 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Everytime you think they can't powercreep more, they find a way, and after that again and again. But i feel like it is in some ways getting to the breaking point, that people are like this is it and just leave. Also imagine being a new player, getting through some PVE stuff, trying PVP and just getting hit and destroyed with the modern things
    Also Arena is just broken at this point, went in there and had multiple times the "easy" one was just one hero, but the hero was just so busted it would destroy my (casual, fooling around, but decently build) team.
    Or when choosing the hardest the enemy is not even lvl 40 and missing skills while my team is full lvl and equipment. And my non combat hero can easily defeat said hardest team while solo

  • @Harley142
    @Harley142 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Ascended Merric was already one of the more underrated units from 2024 imo and emblem Lyn has breathed even more life into him and made him even more fun to use so thanks for that IS at least

  • @KarlEmmanuel
    @KarlEmmanuel 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My main problem right now is how do you fisght against those goddamn tree men everywhere. Can't tank because of assign decoy, can't player phase because too tanky. I'm at a loss here

    • @tacho9427
      @tacho9427  20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You can tank, but your options are basically restricted down to Attuned Timerra, Caeda or Eirika (preferably with Null-C Echo)

  • @Midas526
    @Midas526 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    For me personally, Wind Claude was the death knell , then the winter banner after. There's always been a strongest unit, and there have been big leaps in power creep in the past (Surtr, Fallen Edelgard, various CYL units), but, with those, they just made it so almost everything straight up didn't have a way to beat them no matter what you did, unless they were released after as either a hard counter, or an even more broken unit. In a lot of the worst meta moments in the past, there were at least some ways that units could feasibly be built to counter them, but, with them, it was different.
    I was very competitive (I was a whale that hit rank 1 in every mode) and used to love the game, but, the direction they've taken it lately, it's been ruined completely. Which sucks - they still do great things with the characters and have some neat ideas now and then, but, the game itself is just broken. I uninstalled when Legendary Ike dropped and have had no real desire to pick it up again.

  • @krislee3155
    @krislee3155 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm going to be honest here, Feh has become so ridiculous as of late with the powercreep and busted a** units that I'm kinda struggling to hold interest in the game. Seriously I wake up in a good mood, but after a few rounds in arena and my mood is down the toilet.

  • @JJ-gn8px
    @JJ-gn8px 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Your giving them ideas, if you nominate who else can't be power-crept then they will bring out a new unit who can out match that.

  • @ludgerkres.1437
    @ludgerkres.1437 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Attacking from long range is normal in mainline games, but you can't do it all the time. Bolting and the many siege tomes and weapons have very very limited uses. Another thing they did in the GBA era was have the tomes be maxed out on weight, so, if you are using it, you are severely handicapped and need to waste another unit's trade action to switch the weapon to something functional. As you cannot enemy phase with seige weapons. Lyn attacking from across the map essentially has no handicap. Just pick off whoever is undefended by a savior and move on. If Lyn was forced to have her action ended for 2 or 3 turns and she cannot counterattack even with Null-C Disrupt to use her gimmick, it would have been balanced out better.

  • @ihavecrabs56
    @ihavecrabs56 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    hey you brought up my comment yaay! if i knew you were going to read it, i would have left out my ramblings towards the end and kept it more concise LOL now everyone knows im a mercedes simp 🤣 i dont think anybody predicted they would release 5/6 range attacks. emblem lyn, barricade, and higher ground all happening within a couple months of one another is kinda crazy to think about. styles are an interesting concept though and im scared but also excited to see what next style they release!

  • @iamimbisile
    @iamimbisile 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I disagree about Rieve. Sure, the Lyn ring can hit from afar, but it’s only in 3 columns, and in SD that matters a lot. Most people use high movement units to remedy this weakness and get Lyn or her ring user into position quickly. This is where Rieve comes in. If your opponent is using the +1 movement captain skill, or has any unit with the Sigurd ring, or has any of the many 4 movement cavs that have become more prevalent, they’re totally fucked unless they have Freyr (or possible Ymir). Their high movement units are now knee capped and they can’t easily get their long range units into position quickly.

  • @grapejuice1092
    @grapejuice1092 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Yea power creep is just growing each month, weeks at times, Next month someone will have a weapon where you can initiate combat from both ranges.

  • @mikeva1683
    @mikeva1683 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Lyn is ridiculous, glad I pulled her after 40

  • @kokoro212
    @kokoro212 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Wait for 6 range AoE special.

  • @yiraw
    @yiraw 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Galeforce control would be fine, just make it like the anti-miracle effects where it only effects non-special extra actions, the core galeforce skill would still be fine and only stop the degenerate free extra actions.

  • @kingtomador5655
    @kingtomador5655 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    New banner new power creep antics

  • @marcosmolares5910
    @marcosmolares5910 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "Powercreep Emblem: Heroes"

  • @ThePingu272
    @ThePingu272 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Listening to this video, the fact movement has been powercrept baffles me. I quit the game after the 3 Houses Christmas banner, and hearing evergreen units like Ninja Corrin/Lyn, Duo Chrom, warp bubble units, and most surprisingly dancers being powercrept out of viability is astounding. Despite having a +10 L!Fae and +10 Bride Catria, I will never come back to this game and am glad that I found this video through my algorithm to see how far the game has gone...

  • @rigbyrules99
    @rigbyrules99 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You'd think a company called Intelligent Systems would actually... y'know... make Intelligent decisions, but here we are.

  • @CASantos
    @CASantos 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    To be fair re: powercreep, while yes it is a constant thing and has always been aggressive in this game, there are pretty well defined "power spikes", and we just had one recently. Like i was able to carry vchrom, nyaskr etc around for a pretty healthy amount of time, but they're mostly just not competitive anymore after bfelix, larry, nidhoggs, heidruns, emblyn, etc. Fwiw there's usually a lot of dooming around these times, so maybe it's not the end of the world 🤷🏽

  • @Biggspecz
    @Biggspecz 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    10:33 Those insane people probably eat their cereal with water. 😒

  • @avavago
    @avavago 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I'm so sick of this conversation, it's always the people who aren't good at the game (can't read) doomposting about powercreep. Then all the other illiterate casuals parrot it because their scrunkly election stealing Felix can't handle new units without support anymore. People have been getting creative finding existing solutions to new problem units for years, that hasn't changed even today.

  • @TheMadRedHatter
    @TheMadRedHatter 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Nah I want Galeforce Control. In fact let’s go one step beyond and have Movement Control where the enemy units can’t move at all, that way both teams just have Emblem Lyn and two save units. No one actually moves and the whole game becomes Detente Emblem Heroes.

    • @atumegaenter9139
      @atumegaenter9139 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      we have that already, is Safety Fence 2

  • @-lord1754
    @-lord1754 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    When powercreep gets so unmanageable what do you even do? A lot pf people including me dont play for just the gameplay anymore but also the art and story. They arent gonna abandon it so what, soft reboot?

    • @tacho9427
      @tacho9427  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nothing. Continue playing because the more broken stuff is, the more fun it is lol

    • @-lord1754
      @-lord1754 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @tacho9427 Debateable lol. I just wanna be able to read and understand skills again

  • @11inch41
    @11inch41 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    knowing how this game works, obviously they will release certain types of skills or units that will block certain types of units later on, we've seen it since reinhardt at the start of the game. in my opinion, powercreep is a good thing until most players aren't able to counter most of these gimmicks. Casual players exist and they won't be able to progress when everyone use gimmicks that isn't mostly counterable. Marni for example was a healthy counter as a GHB unit that can counter certain units.