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- We're headed towards a global food crisis: Nearly 3 billion people depend on the ocean for food, and at our current rate we already take more fish from the ocean than it can naturally replace. In this fact-packed, eye-opening talk, entrepreneur and conservationist Mike Velings proposes a solution: Aquaculture, or fish farming. "We must start using the ocean as farmers instead of hunters," he says, echoing Jacques Cousteau. "The day will come where people will demand farmed fish on their plates that's farmed well and farmed healthy - and refuse anything less."
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I'm a wildlife biologist, so let me just explain a few things to the reactionaries here. Fish, but even better mollusks, are some of the most efficient sources of meat in terms of energy input/energy output. If done correctly, fish farming has very minimal impact compared to traditional trawl fishing or other mass catch methods. Yes we should reduce our meat intake, but that's unrealistic in the short term.
However if uneducated people didn't freak out over every single industrial or large scale agriculture process then we'd be far better off.
+Mud Hut People just can't understand that culture takes a long time to change, I mean we just barely got rid of religion in politics, and we still fight racism, machism today, and it's not going to change overnight, so we don't have hopes in changing meat consumption culture in the little time we have to solve the ecological problems.
derty qwerty 42N Exactly this, those eco-warriors and new-age dieters are misled by the same shills that are the mouthpiece for energy corporations.
insects?
+Mud Hut Agreed, but I was a salmon fisher in Canada, and diseases do transmit between the farm fish and the wild ones. The wild population was not doing so well because of it. Now, that said, I'm not against fish farming, fishers pollute way too much and we do hurt the ecosystem too, however the techniques of fish farming need to be updated and there should be more regulation to help prevent the destruction of the wild salmon population, and it has to be done soon before it's too late.
Exactly yeah, that's why I said if done properly. If there are far too many fish in close proximity diseases are going to transmit and spread easily. It also depends on where you get your stocks from I suppose. Still better than fishing wildstocks though.
Plant. Based. Food.
I guess eating plants is okay, because they don't have nervous systems? Check your nervous system privilege your shitlord!
***** I didn't actually know there's a whole field dedicated to it, though I did know that plants do communicate.
+Sarge Rho There will be a plant uprising!
Shyamalan's the happening for REAL!!!!!
For the people in the comments that say that we should ONLY be eating plant based matter, ergo problem solved. It's not that simple. A lot of crop agriculture has a particularly detrimental impact on the environment also.
Soy is a good example of this, as a meat substitute, its crops consume vast tracks of land. This land unfortunately tends to be predominantly equatorial regions in which bio-diverse rainforest is made way for this mono species agriculture, which unfortunately is killing millions of other animal and plant species that depend upon these regions. It's true though that a lot of soy is used in animal farming too, and that on land animal agriculture is also particularly harmful to the environment, but plant farming causes issues also.
That is why it is important to, yes cut down on meat, but also find good alternatives to the food sources we already have without becoming too reliant on one crop. Fish farming might be a solution.
+Even Andy FINALLY SOME REASON
+Even Andy This is not the correct reasoning, most of the soy that is grown nowadays ends up as soy meal, which is used to feed our livestock. The amount of soy actually going to meat substitute products is really negligible next to the amount that goes to animal feed. I agree however that only consuming plants is not an option. (Not for cultural but for nutritional reasons) But the argument you use is false :)
landric vautmans I disagree, increasingly plant agriculture has been disastrous for equatorial rainforests. There is a host of examples, more recently anyway has gone far more on human food than animal feed. Also I'm sure you probably could get pretty much all of your nutrition from plant products? There are things like Quorn that you could use instead of meat that is great for protein etc
Other examples include Palm Oil (something not used for animal feed), 71% of which is used for food products for example peanut butter which has cut down 26 million hectares of prime rainforest in Indonesia and Malaysia. Strangely enough also, Broccoli, Lettuce and Cucumbers are bad alternatives to meat if you want to save on resources or carbon emissions. Although these crops are not grown in equatorial regions, they are incredibly resource intensive, more so in fact than pork and chicken surprisingly.
Mussels and oysters are best. They clean water, their food simply just to clean the water, and they're not sentient.
Potatoes will solve the problem.
Trust me.
+Johnny Heart Not enough protein.
Never trust a potatoe
+Johnny Heart It worked for Ireland! Oh wait...
+Johnny Heart It worked for Ireland! Oh wait...
+Johnny Heart Chips without the fish AGGGHHHHHH.............
great talk; left me wanting to hear much more. thank you sir
It's a fascinating idea. I live at the head of a fjord in Norway and am interested in knowing more about how to develop a friendly, sustainable fish farm.
The like to dislike ratio so far, has restored some of my faith in the compassion Humanity is capable of.
Judge a person's character not by how they treat those of power equal to or greater than there own; but rather by how they treat the weak and defenceless, who's ill treatment will go without consequence.
Lloyd Evans I was reffering to the ratio, not the number.
Lloyd Evans Again, 20 is a number rather than a ratio. Though the ratio now stands at around 50/50, I saw it when it was 30/70.
Lloyd Evans It would appear so. The ratio has indeed fliped from 30/70 to 70/30. Never the less it is good to see signs that social ethical progress is being made. I imagine there was a time when slavery was at 95+% approval. But fortunately for whatever reason the momentum of social change tends to lean towards justice.
But the weak and defenceless are much easier to pick on.
Lloyd Evans Moving past the assumption that everybody who watched the video today began watching it around the same time, I thought I my initial comment made it pretty clear as to why I disliked the video. And judging by what I read in the comment section the last time I checked, I would wager the significant majority of those who clicked the dislike button did so for the same reason I did.
This is revolutionary, I hope people start to see that this is the answer to our fishing problems before we completely destroy the oceans. Resources aren't unlimited, sustainability is going to be a huge part of daily life in the future.
The sun is basically unlimited, maybe we can learn to photosynthesise
this is awesome. i love it. thank you. so much.
Many of the worlds mangrove forests have been cleared to make way for shrimp farms. Seeing as how many of the ocean's fish only lay their eggs in mangroves stands, these shrimp farms have had a huge impact on how many fish are out in the ocean. In fact, a boat trawling for wild shrimp depletes the ocean of fewer fish than farming shrimp does in a former mangrove forest. Shrimp farms are on the up and up though because they're much cheaper ,in terms of money, than trawling for shrimp in a boat. However, some pieces of land and areas of coastal water support less wildlife than others. As long as you put your fish farms somewhere much less critical than mangrove forests, things work out better.
This speech is basically the essence of everything that is wrong with industrial food production.
+Ganesha Please explain.
+Ganesha Please explain.
+Tobias Henriksson well i guess she/he means that instead solving the problem we just start the cycle of destruction again in fish farms
Please explain.
+feuerfauzt I see. Well as he said turning everyone vegan isn't possible. Even if we cut down on meat we need some protein and fish is the most efficient and ecological form of farmed meat. Especially in closed systems with sustainable feed. Scientists are on our side you know.
Does anybody know what program they use to create the infographic? :)
Meat. Is. Delicious.
+TheMightyWill You. Are. Weak.
+Nikhil Gopal aadssdsa
+TheMightyWill Animal protein = Cancer!
+WCephei77HD most of normal world= cancer-free
+Mitchell Liu Still animal protein, you don't get away with that.
Please do not judge this man who is doing good work to reform an industry towards sustainability and a better future!
How radical is your worldview if even this man gets a downvote? He comes to speak about mistakes in mass animal farming! He is already a half step towards your worldview. I shall not condemn the eating habits of others...
I hate to think of the world's oceans being irreversibly destroyed due to ignorance and lack of public knowledge. I'm torn between keeping my vegetarian choices private and shouting about it to enlighten anyone who may be unaware but willing to make a change if they were equipped with the right information 😭
+resignator That is the simplest and safest way to reduce food shortage. Unfortunately people seem to pump out kids like it's going out of style.
Loved it
I could imagine once human civilization gets large enough, we could be the aliens from movies that steal and harvest all the resources from other planets.
Nice
By the way if anyone reading this wants to try it, there's a company in the pacific northwest that will sell you an aquaculture kit, all you need is 3 55 gallon drums, the proper filters and supplies, and a warm location such as a small backyard greenhouse.
How about commercially fishing Snakeheads. I hear they are a problem in the Potomac River
The sustainable aquaculture, is the future for feeding the worldwide population; already.
Note: Goat is the most eaten mammal meat in the world
Black Soldier Fly Larvae farming, which is also a food waste solution, is the perfect feed for freshwater fish and chicken
I am looking to do major production of cage fish farming and BSFL farming in Uganda next year
The Ugandan population could easy consume, and need for their health, 1.5 million metric tonnes per year and catches only
300,000 metric tons because Lake Victoria is overfished
I was interested in the speech but the voice of this man...ahhhhh! my god, can't handle it
I agree with most said in this talk, however as others noted one of the critical issues with meat and fish farming is antibiotics abuse. That problem will kill us far more swiftly than a tuna that spend a day or 2 in radioactive waters.
he addresed antibiotics
The majority of antibiotic use has been banned, your opinion is outdated, do your research
very interesting video, i want to open a fish farm in the next year or two, i need to save same money but i think the business opportunity is great.
I agree. I'm in the process of saving money for my own business, and I've been searching around for ideas. This seems to be a great one.
Fernando Herrera looks very interesting, demand for fish can only grow, where are you from and do you have acces to ocean or river water?
Dumy Jobby Southern California.
where can I find more information on this speaker?
www.ted.com/speakers/mike_velings
this guy's voice and face is wild
Why don't we try to consume more of what we make, instead of throwing away most of what we make. We could easily feed more people, if we stopped throwing food away
Human. Based. Food.
Nature is always generously provides food for human consumption, we can as humans collaborate with the earth to sustain many food resources and contribute to a better life for us.
He should be pitching this to investors, expand this technology enough and you can effectively run fishing companies out of business without government intervention.
*****
Are you ok?
It's healthy if you create a healthy farming system. Its not about the farm , it's about the care you put to it. there are food shortage and people need to be feed. and creating healthy farm, will feed the people. ..
I am a commercial fisherman, and I want to farm fish instead, but it takes $$$🤔 I would gladly change to farming from commercial fishing, were is our support to get it underway, because of bureaucracy ,
Vegetarian Monday and Tuesday!!!
The man address the issue fairly well. While all the vegans and vegetarians are correct, as he said, its not feasible to make everyone change their diet. Look how hostile people are to vegan/vegetarians. I'm for reduced meat consumption and increasing plant based diets, but this is a realistic step in the right direction.
His statement about fish helping fight heart disease is up in the air now. It turns out that the Inuit have a genetic mutation that shuts down most of their omega-3 and omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid production. It wasn't the diet high in fish with high levels of omega-3 fatty acids that lowered the incidence of heart disease despite the high fat diet.
3D. Printing. Meat. But honestly this is a great thing to do for the short term.
The problem is feeding the fish, you either need to take land based protein to feed the fish, or take sea based protein to feed the fish.
As with all other feedlot "farming" practices, fish farming poses sober and unacceptable risks - and uniquely, a direct threat to their wild counterpart in the case of wild salmon.
Disease transference, sea lice proliferation, toxic chemical accumulation (PCB's), excessive antibiotic and chemical application, are all documented threats to both wild salmon and to consumers. Even the fact that despite colorant additives, farmed salmon still literally pales in comparison to wild salmon due to vastly inferior diets. Farmed diets are built on the backs of other species of fish, resulting in nearly complete depletion in those areas (3 lb. other fish required to produce a lb. of salmon). Farming salmon does not add to the overall food supply - merely upgrades the product, at great cost to ocean species. Aquaculture as currently practiced is desperately unsustainable.
Virtually every problem humanity has comes down to too many people to feed...
I agree?
3:34 CREEPY LOOK!!!
Please see non-ethical based argument down bellow.(I think it's more important)
Let's please recognize the difference between what we think makes a life good and what a good life is in the world of nature.
While current facilities for farming have their animals in deplorable conditions and living "like animals," that is the major fault the food industry. Not the killing of animals or the way they're currently being killed. Hear me out.
I think personally that we(people) are the ones that have our idea of what makes a "good" life mixed up. We seem to be using the word "long" as a synonym for "good" when talking about our lives.This is only really because we're the only organisms to fear death. We are the only ones that really know it's coming, so we put some matter of importance over it. We make the mistake of trying to keep people alive as long as possible rather than trying to make sure they live well as long as possible. To make an exaggeration I'll relate people to dogs. We put dogs down when terminally ill because we want them to die without suffering pain. We keep terminally ill patients such as cancer patients alive for as long as possible because we care more about not dying and not killing than living. This may not be the same to you, but this is how I see it.
Other animals fear death from an emotional point, but not in the same sense that we do where we feel despair over the idea of not being alive. They simply feel it when an imminent threat confronts them. So their lives in a farm is comparatively less torturous when compared to their lives in the wild when they're constantly suffering from hunger, predation, and dying from any of the human forms of mass killing(deforestation, hunting/fishing, being hit by a car, oil spills etc.)
While killing something is never really good. the way animals die in a farm are the lesser evil. In nature they're either hunted down, starve, or suffocate on something a person threw out their car window(or any other form of human destruction such as deforestation, hunting/fishing, being hit by a car, oil spills etc.) while in contrast the animals in farms die relatively quickly. Once again, I think things need to change in the food industry, but let's not just jump directly to shutting down the whole business because animals are dying.
I'm not sure if this changes anything for you but I just think we shouldn't condemn farming based on the fact that things die.
Non-death based argument.
If the meat industry is completely shut down for any reason we will lose millions of jobs in the US alone. Regardless of whether they're all heartless fuckers or just people who need work we can not have that many people thrust into the job market.
Also the economy would crash if we simply switched to plant based foods entirely.
Also, where do you think all these animals will go? They can't go into the wild, there is no place for them and they couldn't survive there if even if they wanted to. I'll talk about cows specifically. We don't have the space for them to just roam around the earth. In America alone even if they manage to thrive in the ecosystem they'd just be an invasive species that eats too many resources and end up dying of starvation(look up what happened to the deer population after wolves were all killed in the south of the U.S) But say all the businesses are shut down regardless. Who is going to keep them alive? No company is going to pay to keep hundreds of thousands of animals they can't do anything with alive. And nobody is going to breed them right? That means they all have to either stand around till they die out(which nobody will pay for) or we kill them all at one time.
I'm not sure what the answer is to the current issues in our farm system, but it's not to shut it down completely and switch to plant based products. Idk, I just needed to rant so here it is
Q/A that will be sure to come
Q: So you think killing animals is just okay? Or, do you think we're better/different than animals or something?
A: Well I think we're different than animals. I love animals and blah blah blah but I think people are better in one way and animals are better in many more. Put simply, humans have unlimited potential to be anything they put their mind to blahblahbalh. Animals are more reasonable, can't be faulted for any misdeeds as they are the direct result of their environment(only talking about mammals really) and so on. Idk, do I?
Q: So you only really care about mammals? What about fish, do they feel less than mammals?
A: Put simply they do feel less. They care less. Look at the structures of any sea dwelling, cold blooded animals brain*l. They don't feel emotions in the same way and so on.
+James Ano This is quite hilarious. I see this as your reptilian-unconscious portion of your brain battling with your conscious-evolving part of your brain that inherently is struggling to grasp onto your compassion/humanity/rationale while clearly seeing the flaws in your own logic. Whether you choose to see it or not, you literally came up with your own questions from the depths of your thoughts and answered your own questions justifying your own biased reasoning. Rest assured, you're far from truly understanding actual up-to-date science, animals, our eco-system, EGO, morals, or in fact your very own self and its place on this planet. Just don't set anything in stone, part of being an intelligent/enlightened human is knowing that you really don't know anything at all, especially when there's no discovery/science to back it up.
The facts on whats (majority) destroying the planet: www.cowspiracy.com/facts/
All animals are declared Sentient/Conscious and unique Beings: fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf
I'm happy to also link you the 40+ Pub-Med mechanistic/randomized/placebo controlled studies on why meat/dairy/poultry is directly killing you and their links to all of the most common disease known to human existence, when I come home from work.
+Forty Six & Two Unity Shift
It was just a rant for myself. No need to come at me and be offensive. Either way you just called me dumb and saying I don't know what I'm talking about without really providing any reason why I'm wrong. Besides, as I said it was just a rant and I don't really have a purpose to what I wrote. I just felt like writing it. Not like I spend any time at all thinking about what to write to be persuasive. Just had thoughts on the subject then wrote it. Don't be such a rude dude lol
+Forty Six & Two Unity Shift
And I also know everything you've posted. I didn't mention it in the main thing because it's irrelevant to what I was saying and I don't feel the need to explain why I've already researched that stuff because as I said before, it's irrelevant. But you really should take a logic class or something. Your ad-hominem attacks may make other people think I'm wrong but I know you've done nothing but insult me.
James Ano
James, I promise you I'm not calling you dumb, nor am I trying to be rude, I'm strictly being honest and direct without beating around the bush... I promise that in person you wouldn't feel this way. Rude is unfortunately very subjective in this sense/subject, especially over text. I apologize if that's how you feel though and for saying it's "hilarious" as it's really not. These are not meant to be ad-hominem attacks, we all fight with our reptilian-unconscious portion of our brains every single day while driving, eating, arguing etc. for example, no one is an exception, I'm simply pointing out in my opinion where it's appearing in your reasoning... it sounds like your minds (ego) biased attempt at keeping you in the comfort zone when it comes to eating what you've been conditioned to eat etc..
I'm not entirely sure how you find these things irrelevant though; it's always been common sense to me, but scientifically all animals are equally sentient to humans yet unique in their own way of operation and yes they all feel pain equally, that's been proven in over 2,500 studies... therefore saying a fish is better to be killed than a cow, or monkey over a bird goes against science or sense. Anyways, I'm not here to debate with you on moralities or this video, I just wanted to point out that there's more to the story than what you've written or learned, and if you claim to of already known/incorporated all of these current studies that I've listed, then what you've written directly contradicts these studies or human logic, health, and moral. Just try to look past all the petty stuff, there's more important matters... I know it can make you mad at first hearing someone bluntly tell you something (I could of worded it better), but lets not discount the science or evidence that we currently have. You'll find that inner-engineering, changing your diet, or how you purchase things will make an incredibly positive impact on your well-being/health and to the planet. Cheers
I just bought wild caught salmon from whole foods :)
so
+Dantick09 As much as could be humanly possible
Sure he missed the point but how salmon is farmed today makes it compltely toxic and it gives you diabetes cancer and obesity
Can someone explain it to me how a fish can grow a pound by consuming just a pound of food? or less as he suggests?
That'd be a really sweet way to make food, 1:1 fish food to high quality human food, lol
Limiting Procreation will also solve the problem too, in order to prevent overpopulation, starvation, and extinction of food sources. A bit harsh, but better then watching a child die of starvation. However, Fish farming in inline closed off smaller container with a constant current mixture of atmosphere to provide more oxygen to the water systems to help prevent stagnant water from creating bacteria blooms with the aid of in line filtration units and steam heating system to kill bacteria and virus from a contaminated container of fish...however, i don't think this is very cost effective. Plus the costs to run an international organization to insure the safety of the fish products from hatcheries around the world as well as inspections to insure that health code mandates and procedures are being followed which only means more added costs that the general public doesn't want to pay for with exceptions based on understanding or care for health over money. I'm just one nut that fell from the tree making an assumption based on 10 years working in the manufacturing business and a little bit of experience in dealing with state of the art filtration units (Granted it's more of a general understanding since I'm normally the one programming the automated work cells.) for keeping coolant clean of bacteria for cnc and milling machines in the auto industry on a global scale. Anyhow, I'm not stating any blame or right of wrong answers because I know it's a serious, difficult issue with no easy answer and mistakes will be made in trying to find humane solutions to life altering issues. Seriously, how does the old Thomas Edison quote go, "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." If we give up after every mishap, granted this mishap can wipe out an entire species, then we would never come up with a viable positive solution and humanity would never move forward, being stuck in making the same makes over and again without realizing our ignorance. In the end we need people to work together for solutions, instead of placing blame for mistakes because the blaming game just states the problem offers no solutions. I understanding the blame game for those who blatant disregard to the general population, health codes, and safety, but not for trying to help do the right thing. Will any solution be population free or problem free, highly unlikely, every solution still has it's flaws. It's like going to a dealership and demanding to buy a car that will work 100% of the time with zero maintenance cost for tires, brakes, ext. Fish Farming may come up with a viable solution or lead to a new engineered technology in the future. To flat out say that something is wrong or right is like telling an inventor that his idea will never work, is it a bad idea now, sure, but can it lead to a great idea, yes and people will doubt that inventor the entire time putting them down and labeling them as crazy until there invention flies, floats, sends a signal to outer-space and back to earth on the other side of the globe, or that launching a person to outer space and back in a reusable rocket is stupid and impossible. It our own greed that has created most of the problems and we have been gifted with great minds in each and every one of us to find trouble shoot problems and find a way to improve are life. We just need to try and put human greed aside which would also mean the general population would have to work together to fund such technologies..... NASA's has entire flight paths planned out for highways safety if we ever designed a viable flying car not to mention thousands of different patents for future thinking for technologically advancing society or designs that made commercial airlines more fuel efficient, faster, and quieter was all done with the aid of an organization that many people in the US don't think we need to fund anymore but more and more of there research is making its way into the private sectors and paving the way for better day to day technologies. Okay, I rambled a bit and got a little off track just opinions, not facts.
If we stopped farming on land, there would be more space for further population growth. This population would need food too, leading to greater demands of fish from these fisheries.
In the long term then, we'd end up where we are now with the land situation. There wouldn't be enough ocean left to fish without destroying habitats and space for the non farmed marine life. Therefore this case surely isn't sustainable.
A World Nutrition Resource Organization. (WNRO) May be required to restructure our food supply on earth to best maintain the variety and supply of our foods. Of course this would involve giving the organization a large amount of power and authority over food supplies.
Alternatively, war would help resolve the food issues too. Assuming we can cut half of the population down.
Alternatively, Population regulation could slowly decrease the population of the world.
Alternatively, China and India may need to pay major population fees to fund the new R&D for food sources and supplies due to the fact they alone make up 2.5 billion of the worlds population.
You cant blame china, they tryed to decrease but it doesnt work like that, you wold have to manige world population not the population of china and india. China has big problems becouse of the 1 child rule. They did slow the growth of the population by about 300 million but it will destroy the chinise economy in a few year. Destroy is a big overstatment but it will criple it. I hope i made it clear what meant to say.
Are they really "happy" fish?
That's something to think about.
+Carbon Whether or not fish feel pain has been debated for a while and it seems they do. I'm pretty sure they can't feel "happy" though.
+banana delramma
Banana, you describe fish as not needing social interaction. What about this journal? 'Isolation impairs cognition in a social fish' Applied Animal Behaviour Science. Volume 171, October 2015, Pages 204-210
But that's beside the point. Fish in aquaculture are placed in overstocked conditions, not isolation. Do you think this would affect them?
Carbon i wasn't even sure if fish had social needs but i do know a fish like a crappie gets very affected by overpopulation in even natural lakes where tilapia can be cramed together in the thousands in fish farm,And thank you for posting that journal.
banana delramma No prob. Aquatic welfare is quite a new topic so it's interesting to discuss :) I am doing a degree in animal welfare and have a lot to learn, it can be beneficial to know others opinions.
Carbon That's awesome i have fished since i was a kid,and always used live bait.I do think fish have a form of pain/emotion but I have thought since then they don't have the same type of brain structures and i've never heard of a fish with PTSD from being caught..
where gonna start making the goop from the matrix to support life on earth, synthesised aminos, vitamins and nutrients to cope with the stress of food production unless we do somthing as a whole
Here comes the Conspiracy Loons and their eat grass save the world nonsense.
interesting. but the long term solution for fully sustainable food production will be synthetic.
+Urudrim ...if coupled with a larger investment in education, lowering birth rates while simultaneously relegating unskilled labor to robots.
All the communists here need to google "tragedy of the commons".
this video hasn't aged well because the industry is being forced to change their practices because it was proven to be horrible for the ecosystem
I think this is a good short term solution. A baby-step goal in the process to a different way to get sustainable (plant-based) food.
If I let you eat fish, will you stop eating cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, lambs, etc?
captain long john will help us!!!!!!!!
The best way to preserve fish is to not fish them.
or if you eat fish than farm your own fish instead of pillaging the ocean.
this guy is a cyborg. just watch him...
"People are eating animal protein whether we like it or not" - Mike Velings.
contradicts
"No excuse for anyone to not do the right thing." - Mike Velings.
If slavery can be outlawed, then we can "do the right thing" and outlaw both factory farming and fishing which creates orders of magnitude, of orders of magnitude more pain and suffering than all other slavery, torture, and killing, ever committed, combined.
If slavery can be outlawed, then so can human overpopulating which is the root cause of the anthropocene mass extinction event, habitat destruction and degradation, anthropogenic climate change, factory farming, and industrial fishing.
The idea that animal protein is healthy for humans contradicts all dietary scientific meta studies I've read.
I know that people from both sides of the spectrum are kind of being a bit... disagreeable, but hear me out.
As someone lucky enough to live in a first world country, I'm a vegetarian and I think that it is the best option for someone who has the opportunity to get other sources of protein and nutrition.
I hate the meat industry, including fish farms and other industries that abuse animals - especially those in the US. Many are kept in cruel conditions and the animals are just seen as products and food, not living creatures (thankfully, people like Velings are creating better, happier living conditions for fish in farms). However, I won't deny that it can help feed those who are less fortune, like people in third world countries who don't really have another option.
By not eating meat, you are leaving more to others and helping animals. I assume most people commenting are not in a situation where they not given the opportunity to be vegetarian or vegan. I know the entire world can't do this type of diet, but for those who have access to other types of protein and alternative meat, I think it's a good thing to do morally and environmentally. Just because everyone can't do it, it doesn't mean that you can't to anything to help.
1 kg of feed equal 1 kg of fish bodymass ???????? ok it has a greater BCE, but this....
And maybe we need to cut down on population growth?
But no. As Alan Weisman points out in _Countdown_, Iran significantly cut its birth rate - not through draconian laws, but by clerics preaching that it was the responsible thing to do and pointing out the benefits. Note that this can only work in a society that has a social safety net. At any rate, thanks to US/Israeli bullying, the clerics changed their minds and started calling for more children - future soldiers to defend the country.
Every other problem is exacerbated by overpopulation - when will we start dealing with it rationally?
Plant. Based. FOOD
Too much closeup, jesus
Great, sober talk full of meat!
if more people just go vegan we wouldn't have to deal with all this bullshit.
#أصحاب_ثنيان
its 2:30 in and that's a lot of statistics NO ONE is going to check him on.
+bigges pythons And no one has a problem with growing a pound of fish with a pound of feed, like, how?
Kun Lin It should not be a problem if it is done in a sustainable way as he promotes but the truth is we are still far away from that .
but a pound of feed will not yield a pound of meat growth though. Some weight would definitely be sacrificed to normal metabolic processes and inefficiency in metabolism though.
Maybe Malthus was right all along.
"we could all go Vegan. it sounds nice, but Let's face it; It's not going to happen". With out an explanation why. Going Vegan was the easiest change of lifestyle i ever did, and managing the resources would be many times easier than sustaining todays agriculture.
+sebastian brosche I could be wrong, but I think he's talking less about whether or not it's hard to become/be a vegan, and more about the stigma and the lack of people's willingness to give up meat. Everyone going vegan would be ideal, yes, but the danger in taking that approach would be the approach failing. Then these problems of overfished oceans would become astronomically worse because measures had not been taken to develop sustainable fishing habits.
3:39 - someone tell me how this man predicted 2020
hello 11k biology
So he's actually mean saltwater aquaponics as opposed to aquaculture?
+Dr mosfet Polyculture
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Vegetarianism is boring and just makes you feel starved all the time in my experience. But the biggest issue is really how easily fresh food gets old, so it's expensive to buy and tedious to maintain a fridge packed with it.
However, I applaud all the technological breakthroughs that are happening in agricultural technologies, and as a Norwegian I already eat a lot of fish in my daily life (actually, close to a 50% split between fish and meat sometimes) and would love to eat more if it was just cheap enough and enough variation. I think government is partially to blame for a neglect in policy (probably also why my experience with vegetarianism is so bad, that is: meals consisting entirely of non-meat/-fish). I'd also love to try eating insects, but only as long as they don't look like insects, I really don't want a grasshopper roast, just mash the parts of it that matters with a nice sauce or soup and tell me it's tasty and healthy and I'll try it.
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What I find most offensive as a fisheries biologist is this very myopic short sighted approach. How about we start mitigating the human presence. How about we stop this open ended consumption of resources and change our understanding of the collective human footprint. We quantify our natural resources solely based on a monetary value. The northeast USA from Boston to DC is toxic zone a shill of it's former self. Yet what have done; oyster aquaculture and an attempt to repopulate Atlantic salmon. Sure we took out a couple of dams, that along with increased pollution, more loss of habitat, increased petrochemicals loading from road runoff and pleasure craft use. Shockingly blind as we think playing god with sentient beings is the answer. One fish in the marine coastal system is a product of an extremely complex multilayered spatial and temporal trophic system. We are still in the infancy stage of understanding just how complex these systems are. Our indigenous populations is omnipotently stressed via the human presence yet we keep treating the symptoms not the disease?
Eat only plants is a rich people talk. Tell that to poor kids in Asia or Africa. They really don't have a choice
the problem is not farming it is speciesism
the first few minutes were looking so promising ... but then he said that fish is good for us and prevents heart disease
Sigh.
+Berkmea Boldhobson Yes? I don't eat meat and I know that meat is good for us, but not when overconsumed
kid yourseld if you want to, but meat is unhealthy
and saying that only the overconsumption makes it unheslthy is retarded. you wouldnt claim that just smoking a little bit isnt unhealthy either
+Berkmea Boldhobson Eating meat and inhaling tobacco smoke are not the same thing. Smoking just a little bit is still unhealthy, but eating a little meat can be healthy, It's not necessary to eat a little meat to be healthy, I just mean that you can eat small amounts of meat without damaging your health at all, even by a little bit, unlike smoking a little.
If you eat animals it is very unlikely you will have a healthy long life! It is clear that your interest is to sell the idea that fish farming can be wonderful, it is your business after all!
I don't like the scare tactics
@4:30 What in the fucking world is the girl doing? That too she is sitting in the front row...
How can you stand the suffering of so many fish?!
Plant. Based. Foods.
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Do you think companies like McDonald's are going to let this happen? Lol not
"We could all become vegan. Sounds like a great idea but not realistic. and its impossible to mandate globalay. People are eating animal protein whether we like it or not"
This line bothered me. Its called the invisible hand of capitalism. People wont eat as much animal protein and move onto plant based protein when meat becomes more expensive. Which it will. Meat becoming so extensive people eat it less is far more likely then his prediction of a near collapse of social order in the next 35 years.
I am repukedered
unfortunately we can not further enjoy meat. our population is far too large for it to be sustainable. we will be forced to be vegan. but i love steak😢. this man is very wrong. the amount of antibiotics given to farmed fish is scary.
Solution: don't eat plants, only eat meat.
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Yes i agree
Don't let the Dutch speak English.. Please!
Canabalism
Fish is good, but I love steak even more.
Or just stop making excuses and go vegan.
+Levi V.P. Stop making excuses and become muslim
+Levi V.P. or stop making excuses and work the salt mines
+Levi V.P. You missed his whole point.
+pat45greg47 what point, raising sentient being for slaughter?
Levi V.P.
whats your point? raising sentient vegetables for harvest? plants have feelings too.
GO VEGAN
+Shannon Lee
GO MUSLIM
+Shannon Lee Literally impossible.
Everyone is so uneducated lol...
Why is it "unrealistic" to go vegan? It makes more since than all the "solutions" your giving
+Alexis Ahern cos protein is part of the human diet. dur stupid crap.
+Alexis Ahern *sense
b12,plant protein isn't as healthy as meat protein,the fact that you can't adsorb all the nutrients you'd need from plants and other stuff like that.you solve one problem but create more problems down the line.
the best solutions would be to eat invasives and insects.
Brianna Harter I guess I agree with you, but I also understand why vegans do what they do.
+Alexis Ahern It's not for people that live in North America, Europe, developed countries. But for some, people need the protein from animals. Convincing countries like Japan for example to go Vegan would be extremely unlikely, so we need to find solutions. More people are going Vegetarian or Vegan, and this is great!
Can you imagine a world where 100% of people went vegan. What happens to those millions upon millions of cows/pigs/chickens/etc? Do they all get euthanized? Or do they get feed until they die naturally? Millions upon millions upon millions of pounds of plants to feed animals for years only for all of it to be thrown away to rot when they die. And then if you do let them live, do you let them procreate? And where does all the money come from to feed and maintain them with no profit motive?
+felixthecrazy Massive petting zoos of course. Seriously though, I don't think that would be a very hard problem to solve. If a vegan-diet law were to be passed the animal factories would probably have time before the law's doctrine gets into action. They would use that time to give meat/dairy to the market while simultaneously dwindling down their livestock. Farmers would, over time, convert their fields into growing crops for the vegans.
I'm not a vegan BTW.
+felixthecrazy Well, since the world won't go vegan overnight, it's not like everything will just stop on the spot - with millions upon millions of cows, pigs and chickens abandoned on farms/trucks. As more people will educate themselves and stop supporting these industries, the demand for their products will drop. This will cause for the supply to also drop, gradually. Eventually, the farms will stop breeding the animals and move on.
How is veganism not sustainable? I am not vegan or vegetarian, but rationally thinking, farming animals takes up more resources from humans and creates so much waste! It is possible to focus on eating plant-based foods and creating food that have a full amino acid complex and high protein content without going the farming route. Animal abuse in farming is a whole other issue. I am a powerlifter and understand completely the want for protein, but this is not the solution.
Noone said veganism is unsustainable, try listening, but nice one finding a way of slipping in that powerlifting comment, you must've been busting to share that with us all
+Will N I used the wrong word. He said it's not realistic. Veganism is very realistic and it's possible to decrease meat consumption; it doesn't need to be worldwide. I see you must have been dying to comment something negative on the first comment you could find
wow simply stating veganism isnt the practicable solution and adding because people like to eat flesh? people like to smoke as well, does that mean they should continue? also his health claims are without evidence, so they are to be dismissed without evidence.
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