C64 Mini Review - Rerez
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- Does the Commodore 64 Mini live up to the original?
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They made a full sized version of this recently with a functional keyboard. You should really check it out.
where can i find thid? also can i load games on it
@@micahbarker4625 Very late answer, but yes you can. You can do that on both the mini and the maxi, as they're mostly the same. (The mini just don't have the Vic and the C128 emulation that the maxi has.) There are some other differences too, I'm sure, but the maxi plays the same prepared USB stick of games that I used on the mini. And even better, it comes with a microswitch joystick unlike the rather poor one you got with the mini.
Even better, most of the people who are still making games for the Commodore 64 today take extra care to make sure it works on the Mini/Maxi too.
@@Northlander72 wait I know it could play VIC-20 game but how dose it play C128 game I’ve seen no talk about that online.
@@alexlong9107 Sorry, but I don't really know. I'm assuming that if you have a 128 game on file -- there weren't made many games for the actual 128, just a small handful -- you could probably play them like you would a disc image from a 64 game from an USB stick.
"Probably have kids themselves ..."
Probably actually have grandkids by now
maybe but if some played it in the 90s at the tail end of the c64 they might have been a teen then
I had fond memories of playing my cousin Gavin's C64 back in the early 90s at his house when we were kids. And may he rest in piece.
I grew up with a commodore 64 before my household got a NES, and I played a TON of Jumpman and Space Taxi.
Check out Sams Journey and Galencia, and Planet X-2. All new C64 games.
Hey Taxi!
Pad 9 pls!
I actually still have my dad's copy of Sid Meier's Pirates. I can't imagine the floppy still boots, but I have it and all of the documentation!
Space Taxi was good, but my favourite growing up (especially for two player) were the Spy Vs. Spy games, oh and Montezuna's Revenge
That tower toppler sprite is adorable.
Actually the people that played on an original c64 don't just have kids, their kids likely have had kids too. We're old now. Lol
But not obsolete
I know I'm late to the game but your reviews are helping me through tough times right now. I truly appreciate your honesty and humor. Thank you so much
You aren't alone, same here 🙁. Channels like this can really help. ALSO there's nothing wrong with being late to the party, somebody will notice you were there.
I think it's interesting that a bunch of the earliest cartridge Commodore 64 games were developed by HAL Labs in Japan, like the very first release Jupiter Lander, Pinball Spectacular, Billiards (I played this a ton) and others. Satoru Iwata had worked as an intern at Commodore of Japan. There are a few similarities between the 1982 Commodore 64 and the 1983 Famicom. They are based on different variations of the MOS Technology (Commodore in house chip maker) 6502 CPU and pretty much introduced hardware scrolling to home computer and console gaming respectively. There is a interview of the UK developers Oliver Twins (they worked with Codemasters) and at one point they are talk about how they started thinking about developing on the NES and say something like "It was effectively a Commodore 64 in a box!". I found this funny, even though I believe the NES is fairly more advanced.
They also did Jupiter Lander on the VIC as well. In fact Star Battle on the VIC-20, which is a clone of Galaxian was coded by Satoru Iwada himself.
I'm always impressed when I see this consoles titles. To this day it has the most accurate port of Donkey Kong of any console.
...Really can't do anything in BASIC? What?! You can do a lot of really interesting things in BASIC, or at least some of us can. Programming is a lot of fun, and for the motivated person, the C64 mini offers a chance to have a lot of coding fun.
You're awesome
BASIC : BEGINNERS ALL PURPOSE STMBOLIC INSTRUCTION CODE
@Zero Cool you understand that their computer is not running commodore 64 right.... you cant code C64 with windows cuz guess what... its not the same coding language
Tyler Sullivan I assure you that you can code and run BASIC on Windows and Linux machines. Virtual machines are also a thing.
@@derekst.laurent5768 yes but then you would be running a virtual machine that would be running C64 or an emulator either way its not running BASIC, an application would be running it.
Nice video, I would take exception that the C64 was not designed for games, admittedly it was initially sold as a catch all home computer but it came loaded with game orientated hardware, hardware sprites and scrolling, decent colour palette, superb sound. The C64 was nearly as equipped for games as a dedicated arcade unit at the time it came out (1982). Also as a successor to the Vic 20- that was essentially a games console in home computer clothing- it couldn't be seen as anything else. Otherwise I agree with more or less what you say in your review.
I grew up with a C64 in the US. So multi disk RPG and Flight Sims were a big thing I played a lot of. Well most of those had PC or Amiga ports that were generally superior. And the ones that don't I can play on my Atari 800 and 130xe computers. I want to want this Plug and Play thing but its too limited and based on the Breadbox model instead of the cooler C model I had or one of the 128 models which were even more capable machines even if few games utilized it..
Anybody remember putting about 20 games on a blank cassette and and writing out the numbers for the counter so, you'd know where each game loaded from?
Oh those memories of epileptic fits!...
Excellent review! I own a C64 Mini and really enjoy it. I am happy to see a review that takes the whole system into account.
The C64 was my second computer, which I first got in 1985 (when I was 23). Probably my favorite games on that system was Gateway to Apshai, Davids Midnight Magic, Forbidden Forest and Bill Budge's Pinball Construction Kit (he later made Virtual Pinball for the Sega Genesis). Later in 1995 I used one to get on the internet for the first time (1200 baud modem and Telix on a floppy disk to get on The Greater Columbus Freenet). Wasn't much, but it did get me e-mail and newsgroups and I could use WAIS and Webcrawler to "surf" the Web.
I still have a C64C in my collection but this thing does look interesting. Find some old Compute! magazines on Archive.org and start typing those programs (if you can with a standard keyboard, which is doubtful).
It's absolutely possible. Someone mentioned that the characters got moved around to the modern computer keyboard layout due to the symbols being differently placed
You must be really old
@@thewhitehotel8348 You're not wrong :)
@@theodorerelic2718 what about the Vic 20? Did you ever play Adventure Land on thevic20?
@@thewhitehotel8348 Oh yeah; the Vic-20 was actually my first computer (replaced by the C64). And I did play text games like Adventureland, Pirate's Cove and some game I don't immediately recall the name to, but it had Dracula in it who would kill you in three days). A very fun first computer for me.
Oh man the memories playing Breakdance.... I never knew there was more than one soundtrack until I got the SID dump of it.
This thing looks pretty sweet. Great video!
Quality review as usual Rerez!
Considering this computer came from an era where a UK (one of the main markets for the Commodore) software house could be as simple as a teenager with a cassette drive and a TV, there are probably more than 10 thousand games for it.
When I saw Chip's Challenge, I vaguely remember playing it when I was around kindergarten. My dad introduced me to the computer and showed me of to that game as well. Only 8 years later do I know the name of that game.
Man I was a master at Aardvark when being a kid< the C64/128 was my first PC console back in mid 80s
I never had one of these so I bought one since I never really got to check it out. I knew a few people who had one and I know I played it a little bit but not enough to remember it well. I'm just looking forward to finally checking out a few of the games.
Man, I really want one of these, but geez, with all the mini systems coming out, I'm gonna need like a 10 port HDMI switcher to hook them all up! Being able to load up ROMs makes it worth it to me, even if it's wonky. Like Shane sez, that was kinda part of the C64 experience!
You can program in Basic, save it on the system , but you need to flash it on external software, test it and ensure its a bootable file, then you can load it on the system
the original name was Nebulus since it was developed in the UK. It is only called Tower Toppler in north america.
Also the best version of Chip's Challenge was on the Atari Lynx imo. And it is now on the Lynx collection 2 for the Evercade
I had a plug and play c64, it was a joystick that just plugged into the tv. It was actually my first video game console and spent hours playing paradroid, impossible mission, and firelord.
I wish it had Turrican, that was the 1st game that really got me hooked, like, staying up late just to play it.
Can install the d64 image in seconds. Don't know why he didn't address that point...
Rerez there is a way to put new software into the C64 mini in way it doesn't fail like the new games in the new firmware update. What you need to do is put one game on a pen drive, you will call this game "THEC64-drive8.D64". Then you plug the pen drive, joystick and a keyboard, "but wait there's only two USB ports", you can use a USB hub or just unplug the joystick and then plug the keyboard and vice-versa. So, you will load the game in the same way you do on C64s (Load "*",8). The loading will be the same as in a real C64 disk drive, but nothing awful. When the game loads, go to save state and save a state of your game in BASIC. Now, you can turn off the computer and the game will still be there. There are 4 slots, so you can save 4 games. Enjoy your new 4 games, Rerez!
(and yes, I learned that from The 8-bit Guy)
You don't have to do that anymore though with the new firmware.
It’s a lot of fun remember playing it at a friends house growing up lots of fun I also had a Macintosh I played Oregon trail on
Kinda late, but my Dad had Temple of Apshai (im guessing a sequel?) and the info that came with it said it was based around Tabletop RPGs, and it even referred to the game as "A Dungeon Master on a chip".
Yup. In fact Gateway to Apshai originally came out in the late 70s for the Commodore PET and Apple II computers.
Chips Challenge?
Hell yeah
Loved that game on windows back in the day
Rodent’s revenge is another awesome game I miss playing
Rodents Revenge was excellent. I constantly trap my cats in spaces, but I've yet to gain any cheese with this method...
I grew up playing games where you used Up to jump, so to me, that seems natural. It makes sense too, you want to go left, you push Left, you want to go up (jump) you push Up. Whenever I play a game with separate up and shoot buttons, I always get confused and press the wrong one at the worst possible time.
Also, those games that didn't work with the joystick probably used the other port. There was no standard on the C64 for which port to use for one-player games so some games used port 1 and some used port 2. Maybe a firware update will allow you to switch which port the joystick is connected to.
Another great video!
yes i brought about mine about 2 months ago. I hope in future they come with working keyboard
I remember spending hours with Music maker on the commodore. It was an 8 bit sequencer program. You'd key in the notes and it would play it back. I think it was 4 note polyphonic..
I got the full size one just yesterday. It's my first experience with a Commdore 64 and it's a darn cool one.
Its expensive should i get the mini one?
@@nikolaszisoudis8408 if you like the games and don't want to code and save BASIC programs then hell yeah. You get the same amazing clicky joystick.
I got the thing because I wanted to code primarily and the C64 maxi is amazing for coding.
Well i have some experience with coding so i will give it s try thanks
I used to love playing “Summer Games” and “Winter Games” which I thought were pretty popular but it doesn’t look like those are on it
Metagalactic Llama - oh, excellent! I guess I missed it
take one of these, make it look like a cybiko, and give people the ability to code and do fun stuff on the go instead of plugging it into a TV. maybe a fold-out keyboard, I dunno.
I miss Cybikos! Definitely didn't have games comparable to Game Boy games, but it was cool IM-ing friends in school answers to homework and stuff. I was lucky to live close enough to a few that they'd reach and connect, and we had a relay system to send messages from people on one end of town to people on the other.
hi walcom =) happy nerfing
Let the brand new C64 memes BEGIN!!!!
The c64 and the Vic 20 were my first computers. Always hated playing games with the cassettes though.
OMG Did you even play Uridium??? (Needs very loud bass) Best arcade sound effects of any C64 game, amazingly playable.
I wish they would have put in an API to let you build your own peripheral to support your own hardware. Like use an Aurdino (or similar device) to let us emulate things like the serial port.
I hear they're thinking of making a full-size version with a working keyboard. I'm honestly waiting for that. I have a couple C64 programs in my computer.
Summer games and winter games are known by most, but Epyx made World Games and I don't think it got ported to too many other systems. The log toss was so ridiculous it was awesome, and cliff diving was pretty great, too.
Gateway to apshai is one of my fave games of all time. Also came out on colecovision.
You can add more games with the new firmware.. also there is many new c64 games coming out try looking up new c64 sam's journey it's almost 16 bit looking just as good or better then mario 3.. again the new firmware you can add you own games .. not hard for me i grew up with up as jump.. again you can use some mods with the new firm ware and add jump to the button point is mute.. The new games coming out now look play a lot better.. just look up new c64 games for 2018..
Ian Micheal almost 16-bit looking? Like, 12 or 13 bit?
🙋♀️ Boulder Dash was fun when I was little 😊
Can't wait to get it
They are actually doing a full-size revision simply called "THEC64", with a working keyboard, an issue fixed from THEC64 Mini.
Rerez, don't doubt the expandibility of C64 mini's library: The 8-Bit Guy did just that in HIS C64 mini review.
Cool review. Thank you
Thank you Linda thank you so much
I think this would be a good option for people who want to get into Commodore Basic coding but don't want to pick up an original C64.
I don't own this particular device but as somebody who grew up with the Commodore 64 I see that Shane really understands what the Commodore 64 was really about.
I’m not a gamer.at.all.... but, I subbed! You are that entertaining.
The one button thing is something those of us from this era are totally used to. It's no limitation.
I just bought this after buying the Amiga Mini. Even though I never had a C64, I really like this. However you have to use a different controller as the included one makes it virtually impossible to use. I’ve seen read reviews that complain about and thought they were overreacting, it was worse than what I read.
1:05 the cat is using a c64c and uses the mouse but not on geos on a game this means that there is games which support the mouse or there was
Awesome nostalgic♡ 😏glad I have one
c64 my fav system I stated with V20 I bought c64 mini when it came to Canada
The added games that didn't work with the joystick- is there any chance those were games that required the joystick to be in the other port on a real C64? If you plug in a second joystick, perhaps that will work if there is no option to swap ports. Of course, then you won't be able to plug in a keyboard (at least without a USB hub).
There is a way to load d64 files from a USB stick, to run all your own games. By ending the filenames with J1 or J2 you set them up for the correct joystick port. Or you just connect two, and one will work.
Well Shane, there ya go from someone who knows- you can now play those games you tried to sideload onto the system on which the joystick didn't work. Thanks @Jammet Leopard.
With the latest firmware (December version):
It's not that it won't work with the joystick, you need to rename the file and add _J1 at end of the file name (before the extension) (Donkey Kong as you showed is one of those port 1 games that need that fix) That's mainly because the vast majority of C64 games used port 2 as the main controller, so you have to put _J1 at the end to tell the machine to switch to port 1
Also a lot of the games that crash is because they are for the PAL models. So for that, you have to put _PN at the end of the file for that, which tells the device to run in PAL mode
This is a list of all the games that use port 1 as the primary controller
www.gamebase64.com/search.php?d=45&h=1&adv_game_name_t=2&adv_game_name=&adv_year=0&adv_publisher_t=2&adv_publisher=&adv_graphician_t=2&adv_graphician=&adv_musician_t=2&adv_musician=&adv_programmer_t=2&adv_programmer=&adv_language=0&adv_genre=0&adv_cracker_t=2&adv_cracker=&adv_control=1&adv_display=&adv_players=0&adv_max_players=0&adv_trained=0&adv_highscore=0&adv_loading_screen=0&adv_18=0&adv_TDE=0&adv_Doc=0&adv_game_file=0&adv_sid_file=0&adv_working=0&b=Go!&a=6
And even then, the CSDB has tonnes of Pal games that have been NTSC fixed, so for those you don't need the _PN
Bastich B does an amazing series of C64 mini tutorials
i wish there was a usb keyboard that looked and felt like a c64 keyboard.
Looks neat, might buy it, probably won't. Actually I definitely won't, I'd rather use an original Commodore 64 but if I buy this for my dad or something for Christmas he'd very well enjoy it.
Agreed, yet I dunno between the Atari Flashback or the C64 Flashback. Except... I'm under 18 so I wouldn't be able to get money to buy it lol
I had a c64 as a kid. I can explain the joystick issue. There was no stabdard foir the joystick input, port 1 and port 2 depends on the game. Actually, most games used joy port 1 for play, but alot used port 1 as well. So u gotta try both ports if one isnt working.,
A firmware update allows you to put your games much more easily on the system. (v1.1.0 - Introduces the File Loader so compatible programs can be loaded from USB. See File Loader for further information)
Aw Gateway To Asphi ! That was a best game ever and a name I haven’t heard in decades!!!!
U FINALLY GOT C64!
8-bit guy already did a review of the C64 6 months ago and it's more in-depth hardcore perspective. I recommend not only watching Shane's Rerez review, but also his if you get the chance. They both did a good job covering the product in their own right. Shane's approach thankfully focused more on the games while 8-bit Guy's was on the technical side. His review will help you figure out how to get more games on the system.
th-cam.com/video/GXXCj5kqPcM/w-d-xo.html
Update: 8 bit guy did another review now with NA version and he has added more details you should know...
Tell me when they make an Atari ST with midi out!
To solve the "up to jump" problem on my real C64 i converted an old PC gamepad and mapped one of the action buttons to "up" =)
Does the c64 mini let you switch which 'control port' the joystick is plugged into? Most of the time when playing the c64 if the joystick wasn't working it was because it was in the wrong port... Yes.. sometimes player 1 played by plugging into port 2...
Tower topler is an absolute hardware pusher, it’s just sooo unreal that it allmost turns your C64 into an 16bit machine.
Someone should make an Atari ST Mini or an Amiga Mini!
Technically, the latter exists in the form of the Armiga, though it's a fairly pricey device, especially if you want the floppy drive too!
Google ARMIGA and Amibian.
Atari 800 mini would sell like hot cakes. That system is awesome
Mini Vectrex
I'd rather have a Sega Saturn mini, but most of the really good Saturn games have lost assets.
My first computer so I must get this soon enough
Strange cos it came out at the beginning of 2018 in the uk and had some different games like everyone’s a wally
Need get this for my dad so we have a race in jump run.
It's on sale at GameStop for $29.99 right now.
It seems with the October firmware udpate now you can put games in a more easy way.
sone games unless you have a button pairing setup for jump and fire you typically need a keyboard for..
Does the joystick work as a standard USB controller? And more importantly, can you plug other USB controllers into the C64? I vastly prefer d-pads to digital joysticks for most purposes.
Do PAL games like Monty on the Run play at the correct speed on the NTSC USA version of the C64 Mini?
i totally understand the companies not including a power brick, like you have to be out of your mind to occupy another power outlet for a thing thats connected to your TV and can draw power from it...
The ruff estimate of games and software on the C64 is 20.000... How do I know this? I have most of these and still collecting as I have a real C64, SD2IEC and Dataset to load software..
You can add games to this C64 mini and they work great.
TH-cam features just Monty on the Run
I got an ad for a sega mini before the video
Back then I put a week or weeks in to each of these games, today people go from 1 game to the next in minutes,
It's not that it won't work with the joystick, you need to rename the file and add _J1 at end of the file name (before the extension) (Donkey Kong as you showed is one of those port 1 games that need that fix) That's mainly because the vast majority of C64 games used port 2 as the main controller, so you have to put _J1 at the end to tell the machine to switch to port 1
Also a lot of the games that crash is because they are for the PAL models. So for that, you have to put _TP at the end of the file for that, which tells the device to run in PAL mode
This is a list of all the games that use port 1 as the primary controller
www.gamebase64.com/search.php?d=45&h=1&adv_game_name_t=2&adv_game_name=&adv_year=0&adv_publisher_t=2&adv_publisher=&adv_graphician_t=2&adv_graphician=&adv_musician_t=2&adv_musician=&adv_programmer_t=2&adv_programmer=&adv_language=0&adv_genre=0&adv_cracker_t=2&adv_cracker=&adv_control=1&adv_display=&adv_players=0&adv_max_players=0&adv_trained=0&adv_highscore=0&adv_loading_screen=0&adv_18=0&adv_TDE=0&adv_Doc=0&adv_game_file=0&adv_sid_file=0&adv_working=0&b=Go!&a=6
Just to add to this, Gamebase has since been updated and some of the ports have been changed as there were a few mistakes...like Juno First is actually a port 1 game, but gamebase falsely had it listed as port 2. There are some errors in gamebase (like joystick port 1 or 2 being listed as the primary control, when the game is keyboard only) there are still some errors, but some have since been updated...
However, I recommend trying them out on VICE (or another emulator) on your PC to find out what is used for controls, because gamebase has a lot of errors, especially in the controller section. It's all just trial and error really
They need to make an Amiga 1200 mini with AGA & everything.
I'm waiting for a Tandy Color Computer 3 Mini
Wait!!!! No Sam Fox Strip Poker??! Are you kidding me! IM OUT!!!
That was awesome in the days!
Bro, calm down. You do realize that you can load a D64 image via USB.
They could only licenses the games that CLOANTO owns the rights to.
EA owns the rights to Sam Fox Strip Poker, as they purchased the software company that made the game
I wonder what Guru Larry & Slopes Game Room would think about this c64 mini..
I had a C-64 when it was the hot new thing. I can't think of any reason I'd want one now. I don't get nostalgia for old games, probably because I played them new and moved on.
I feel sorry for you
“Summer games and winter games” - shows California games 😂
Somebody needs to make a Gameboy mini lol
They made the controller for left handed and right handed people,
Also the reason they use 1 button is because the commodore 64 used ATARI joysticks (with a joystick and a Single button)
I don’t have a USB keyboard so I’m gonna code like Sakurai in the Famicom days I guess 🤷♀️
with some time and some pcb manufacturing I could make that a nice retroarch box
Already happened.
C64 Basic actually allows you to load a C64 rom file through USB. Did you not know that??
*power adapter not included. < On the bright side I have like 20 laying around because all the tech used to just include them.
Feels like its just a raspberry pi in a c64 case with a custom os
I have 5000 unique games in my digital collection for it, so its game library is at least 5000