This is genius and wish it came to fruition. AND if we add more sections, like common phrases, teaching style, leacturing, etc. and mainly etc, we can have this wiki length game theory be self aware and say this is a rare example of the GM/player not being the best ever, but having a long Wikipedia page.
Damn, I really wanted to sponsor the Judit Polgar lecture but never got around to it (always something else to pay for, always something else to finance). Thank you, dear sponsor, for sponsoring this lecture about this amazing woman!
I knew Judit was insane but these games are on another level. Definitely inspiring me to study more of her games. Also I watched a lot of Norway Chess 2023 live and it was truly amazing to hear her thoughts. It was clear that she was thinking on a completely different level than not only the other commentators but many of the players. Spitting absurd tactics immediately that of course they fail to find after thinking for 10 minutes.
Ben, thanks for covering J Polgar and Leko. I love how they both came out of Hungary, were amazing on the world stage, and now serve the chess community as remarkable commentators.
Judit Polgar is one of my 2 favorite players, the other being Ivanchuk. They aren't typically mentioned as the greatest players ever, but then they beat the players that are mentioned. Highly suspicious. They are both dynamic players that bring another level when playing the best in the world. Love it!
The game against Anand is an amazing squeeze of the position. A lower rated player (like myself) can only dream of playing for positional compensation down 2 pieces with no immediate win. That's something an engine would do.
My lord, I’ve known of polgar, and have admired her play style for sometime but that first game you showed was my first time seeing it, absolutely stunning, and inspiring, bravo 👏 mrs polgar
Just ordered the Queen of Chess for my 9 year old daughter who recently played in her first USCF scholastic tournament. Thanks for letting us know about the book!
Thank you for making these lectures, Ben. I've seen all the Great Players series, some several times. Nothing beats looking into the minds of the greatest players in history.
I am in my early 50s so when Judit was young it was fun looking at her games. Loved the kings gambit games. don't remember the year but when Yasser was pushing Action chess in the late 80s or early 90s.. I played in a tournament in Tacoma with like 11 or 12 players I believe.. with Ftacnik, Yasser, Giorgi Orlov and Yassers now wife. fun times. Also played in the Dearborn US open. loved those days.
Glad you mentioned The Sack of Rome :D Shame you can't really talk about the disgraceful treatment of the Polgars by FIDE because it'd take way more than an hour. 😕
27.02 I admire you so much for that, Benjamin! That’s sheer passion, sharing a hotel room with 7 other people and sleeping on the floor to compete in a chess tournament. I wonder how many player of today would do that. I
I played this while cooking the launch, and i have to replay it to watch the games and learn something from them, but the stories are always the best part XD. Thanks Ben and greetings to Karen and Archer... and Spencer of course :D
Ben: "and if you're counting pieces, i'm not saying you are" Me: "no i am yes, i'm loving this game" Ben: "Judith just sacked 2 pieces" Me:"shit, i was not counting pieces right"
Turns out the engine likes 6.g4 (Shirov in first game) the best on stockfish 14 anyway at 22 depth. Also it has one of the best win records in master play according to Lichess' database.
Great lecture. I too many TH-cam broadcasts cover the men and ignore the many great women players and games by women players. Question for you, if Judit is the best female player and one of the greatest chess players of any gender, who is the second best woman player? Thanks
You could argue that it's actually Susan, lol. But if you go by ratings and WC results probably Hou Yifan. She retired quite early but it could still be a while before anyone surpasses her peak rating to overtake No. 2 all-time (2686).
Whenever Ben gives a lecture about Judit Polgar it always makes my day, partially because Polgar is the only hungarian word Ben can pronounce decently and with the little US flavor in Judy I'd say the overall effect is even better than perfect. (In contrast to "Berkes", "Maróczy", sorry but those were horrible.)
Maybe when it comes to men the discussion about who is the best in chess history is open (not for me, for me it will remain Bobby Fischer). But when it comes to women I'm sorry but there's no doubt: It's Judit Polgar, and the n2 (whoever you may choose) doesn't even come close
Is it really true what Ben says about how the difference between the second best woman grandmaster and the tenth is smaller than that of Judit Polgar and the second best player? Maybe it was true in the past but now it probably isn’t right?
Hou Yifan is hard to rank. Since she stopped her professional career quite short. But it as least close difference between 1 and 2 as big as 2 to 10 and between 2 and 3 as big as 3 to 10 too
@@TheChessRunner would you rank someone by peak rating or current rating? I noticed that Judit Polgar isn’t on the FIDE Top 100 Women August 2023 list but Hou Yifan is. I am just very confused but curious about how FIDE and the general public ranks chess players.
It was her older sister that literally did it. The World Chess Championship was called the Men's World Chess Championship. Susan was invited to the candidates, but until the Men's part of the title was dropped, Susan couldn't play. That's why it's now called The World Chess Championship.
One of the funniest stories I still find Nigel Short saying “woman cannot play chess” and then getting ‘molested’ by Judit Polgar 😄 I bet he still cries in his sleep at night 😢
The fact finegold is confident he'd lose to paulgar says enough, I doubt there's many female chessplayers who could realistically win against him 44:25
Alright it’s time to write a really long section on Ben’s wiki about “wiki length fame theory”
And then add all of his lectures as sources...that will teach them
@answers4217
Also, every single famous persons wikipedia page as proof.
This is genius and wish it came to fruition. AND if we add more sections, like common phrases, teaching style, leacturing, etc. and mainly etc, we can have this wiki length game theory be self aware and say this is a rare example of the GM/player not being the best ever, but having a long Wikipedia page.
For the official record, Judit Polgar's Wikipedia page is longer than Kesha's
Who's Kesha?
@@gmatsue84terrible
Ke$ha isnt even a top women’s singer or grandmaster
@@charliepenguingaming "top women's singer" what an expression. you have spent to much time in the chess world 😂
@@greennin hehehe that’s my kind of humor
Judit is such a beast, she's been one of my greatest inspirations throughout my chess journey. Easily my favorite player of all time.
Miss her games. Nobody plays like she did, not men or women. Her attacking style is super exciting.
Ben: It’s like Paul Morphy on Steroids
Ben, seconds later: It’s like a scholastic game where both players are rated 100 😂😂
Morphy on steroids vs. Morphy on peyote.
😂
Her peak rating was 2735. That's incredible
Damn, I really wanted to sponsor the Judit Polgar lecture but never got around to it (always something else to pay for, always something else to finance). Thank you, dear sponsor, for sponsoring this lecture about this amazing woman!
you can always sponsor a follow-up lecture. Ben did a 4 part on Morphy, so he could do more parts on Judit.
It's always a great day when a new Ben lecture drops, thanks guys!
I knew Judit was insane but these games are on another level. Definitely inspiring me to study more of her games. Also I watched a lot of Norway Chess 2023 live and it was truly amazing to hear her thoughts. It was clear that she was thinking on a completely different level than not only the other commentators but many of the players. Spitting absurd tactics immediately that of course they fail to find after thinking for 10 minutes.
Ben, thanks for covering J Polgar and Leko. I love how they both came out of Hungary, were amazing on the world stage, and now serve the chess community as remarkable commentators.
Judit Polgar is one of my 2 favorite players, the other being Ivanchuk. They aren't typically mentioned as the greatest players ever, but then they beat the players that are mentioned. Highly suspicious. They are both dynamic players that bring another level when playing the best in the world. Love it!
The game against Anand is an amazing squeeze of the position. A lower rated player (like myself) can only dream of playing for positional compensation down 2 pieces with no immediate win. That's something an engine would do.
compared to Judith Polgar we're all lower rated😉 And that game was absolutely marvellous
My lord, I’ve known of polgar, and have admired her play style for sometime but that first game you showed was my first time seeing it, absolutely stunning, and inspiring, bravo 👏 mrs polgar
Just ordered the Queen of Chess for my 9 year old daughter who recently played in her first USCF scholastic tournament. Thanks for letting us know about the book!
I could listen for Ben's personal stories for hours! It's as if he knew all celebreties throughout chess history in person! So entertaining!
I can't decide if I love it more when Ben does it or when Yasser does it. Both have the most awesome stories.
Would’ve loved to see more games from her! Such a great and rich playing style! Great player and lecture!
Absolutely love Judit's games and her personality. Go Judit and go Ben!
Thank you for making these lectures, Ben. I've seen all the Great Players series, some several times. Nothing beats looking into the minds of the greatest players in history.
I am in my early 50s so when Judit was young it was fun looking at her games. Loved the kings gambit games. don't remember the year but when Yasser was pushing Action chess in the late 80s or early 90s.. I played in a tournament in Tacoma with like 11 or 12 players I believe.. with Ftacnik, Yasser, Giorgi Orlov and Yassers now wife. fun times. Also played in the Dearborn US open. loved those days.
the game against vishy lmao. i've never been so entertained by a chess game
It seems like everytime I see a Judit game, I would resign with both colors every turn. They go way beyond my ability to calculate
Glad you mentioned The Sack of Rome :D
Shame you can't really talk about the disgraceful treatment of the Polgars by FIDE because it'd take way more than an hour. 😕
I don't know why but I can't stop laughing at the "it says Ben Finegold... the end" joke
27.02 I admire you so much for that, Benjamin! That’s sheer passion, sharing a hotel room with 7 other people and sleeping on the floor to compete in a chess tournament. I wonder how many player of today would do that.
I
Love the lectures, Ben. Awesome commentary
It would be great if Ben's wikipedia page actually just said "Ben Finegold, the end."
This was great! Thank you for sharing such great stories and insight. Peace and good health to you.
Wow, her calculations in these games is off the scale.
Hey Ben ! Can't wait to watch this lecture.
I was wondering if you were planning to make a Luc Winants great players of the past, as a tribute !
I played this while cooking the launch, and i have to replay it to watch the games and learn something from them, but the stories are always the best part XD. Thanks Ben and greetings to Karen and Archer... and Spencer of course :D
Great lecture! Very entertaining
Ben: "and if you're counting pieces, i'm not saying you are"
Me: "no i am yes, i'm loving this game"
Ben: "Judith just sacked 2 pieces"
Me:"shit, i was not counting pieces right"
The jazz in the intro is so on brand for Ben’s sense of humour, makes it feel like a 90s sitcom 😂
I guess it would have to be called Feinfeld 😐
Very interesting story! Thanks for sharing....
Wow, Vishy got clobbered in that game, it's like a tornado, nothing one can do!
these lectures are always so good
Been waiting for this one!
Turns out the engine likes 6.g4 (Shirov in first game) the best on stockfish 14 anyway at 22 depth. Also it has one of the best win records in master play according to Lichess' database.
Thank you Ben! Do they have a signed copy of the book?
One of my favorite players of all time. In the class of Alekhine, Keres and Tal imho.
Love her games. Thanks for the lecture . Edit: I got the G4 move. Yay me!
These games are head spinning
Jen Shahade gave the questions in one of the jeopardy masters rounds and Polgar was the answer to the 2000$ question
Even as a teenager, Judit Polgar acquired the nickname, "The Auburn Haired Terror." 😅
Just confirming Britney Spears' wikipedia page is ~x3 as long as Kesha's with 521 references vs 183 references.
Great lecture. I too many TH-cam broadcasts cover the men and ignore the many great women players and games by women players. Question for you, if Judit is the best female player and one of the greatest chess players of any gender, who is the second best woman player?
Thanks
You could argue that it's actually Susan, lol. But if you go by ratings and WC results probably Hou Yifan. She retired quite early but it could still be a while before anyone surpasses her peak rating to overtake No. 2 all-time (2686).
Great lecture
Wow what games 😳👏🤯
Great video Mr. Finegold !
It seems like Ben being around for Judit's milestones is the...
norm?
badum-tsss
The one in the US is weird... That's a long trip to get a norm.
@@answeris4217 the US is just massive tbh. It can be hard for people from Europe to really comprehend how much fucking land is over here.
@@Jabadamazo I live in Canada...I know how big it is.
Super interesting! Thanks
Whenever Ben gives a lecture about Judit Polgar it always makes my day, partially because Polgar is the only hungarian word Ben can pronounce decently and with the little US flavor in Judy I'd say the overall effect is even better than perfect. (In contrast to "Berkes", "Maróczy", sorry but those were horrible.)
Brilliant. Thanks
Kids can learn more about this amazing woman in my picture book biography, THE QUEEN OF CHESS: HOW JUDIT POLGAR CHANGED THE GAME.
Maybe when it comes to men the discussion about who is the best in chess history is open (not for me, for me it will remain Bobby Fischer). But when it comes to women I'm sorry but there's no doubt: It's Judit Polgar, and the n2 (whoever you may choose) doesn't even come close
Serious question: how much do you charge for a sponsored lecture on a topic/player of choice?
it's 250 usd last i checked.
Common, where is the picture of Bem holding both Polgars on his shoulders?! That’s the story I’m waiting for
I think I know which photo you’re referring to lol. But that photo didn’t have the Polgars in it. It was Irina Krush and Iryna Zenyuk, I think.
23:29 it’s so funny to imagine 2 100 rated players blundering all their pieces and not seeing any tactics but actually playing a brilliancy
I was born in same day as Judit Polgar, although I was'nt born jet.
You are great !!!! Tnks!!!!💯💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍
oh no my other dog is sick!
Where can I watch the Kings vs Queens tournament?
The awards section is longer than your page, Ben! 😊
Any evidence of the Emory Tate match? I can't find anything online...
❤ Judit
When Ben said 99% of plauers wouldn't play this move...I thought for sure it was F3...but she won so.... obviously I was wrong
Do a great players of the past with Shirov!
8:20 bookmarked
Judit was all about giving the opponent the business.
Judit Polgar is nice =)
Supposedly her father really pushed her. He had the same expectations for her as if he had a son.
Is it really true what Ben says about how the difference between the second best woman grandmaster and the tenth is smaller than that of Judit Polgar and the second best player? Maybe it was true in the past but now it probably isn’t right?
Hou Yifan is hard to rank. Since she stopped her professional career quite short.
But it as least close difference between 1 and 2 as big as 2 to 10 and between 2 and 3 as big as 3 to 10 too
@@TheChessRunner would you rank someone by peak rating or current rating? I noticed that Judit Polgar isn’t on the FIDE Top 100 Women August 2023 list but Hou Yifan is. I am just very confused but curious about how FIDE and the general public ranks chess players.
Judith destroyed the "Men's World" of chess single handedly literally
It was her older sister that literally did it. The World Chess Championship was called the Men's World Chess Championship. Susan was invited to the candidates, but until the Men's part of the title was dropped, Susan couldn't play. That's why it's now called The World Chess Championship.
@@orlock20 You're right. I always mix between the sisters in the family which is the strongest family in Chess history.
~ Top 25 all time
When will you continue Great Players of the Present?
When someone sponsors a lecture on a Great Player of the Present.
She's older than 40, you're right, she's from the past now
I just wanted to say I never saw this person in my life.
Judit
Neither did I
Vishy Anand
One of the funniest stories I still find Nigel Short saying “woman cannot play chess” and then getting ‘molested’ by Judit Polgar 😄 I bet he still cries in his sleep at night 😢
Ah so this is where andrew gets it from 😂
wow, she was complex
Polgar is seven years younger than Finegold btw. "Past" indeed.
nice
Judit Polgar is still alive
HEY FINEGOLD, YOU ARE CARTOON
"Mine says 'Ben Finegold...you know, the end.'"
Ben I just checked, it doesn't say "the end", stop lying.
Judit farming Ben for GM norms
Why? Yes, please.
The fact finegold is confident he'd lose to paulgar says enough, I doubt there's many female chessplayers who could realistically win against him 44:25
While your method is pretty logical, you are ignoring a simple fact - wikipedia is not trustworthy, sometimes ( to be more precise - very often )
Emery Tate is andrew tates dad if anyone didnt know.
And he lost to Ben in under 20 moves with the white pieces. Weird player. Weirder sons
Paul Morphy on steroids xD
👍👍👍❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
"it was stupider on family guy" need not be said
I cant escape Andrew Tate even in chess. Ew.
Polgar is awesome tho! Loved learning about her :)
Judit needs to put it in 'h'...
The Karen's Cup 🤣
She never beat Hikaru
Sad story about Emory Tate: He died of shame on account of his son.
Ms. Judit Polgar ??? Is this a cooking show?
And Emory Tate happens to be Andrew Tate's father o.0 it seems he got his attitude from somewhere
not to brage but look at my name...