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- Or it looks fake. Like all things in life the skillful always seem to make things look easy almost fake, so that's the nature of skill. First work on what your body understands, big movements, things you can see and feel easily. As your skill and co-ordination increase, slowly tighten it up, and make it softer. Subscribe to the Kung Fu Report for more tips and training ideas from Adam Chan
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I would like to inform the Wing Chun community that Grandmaster IP Ching, the youngest son of Ip Man, passed away on Saturday. Rest in peace Grandmaster. Thank you for imparting your knowledge upon us!
Sad news indeed! :(
Rest in Peace, Grandmaster! Was it of natural causes? How old was he?
@macabebe ebebacam actually he respects real wing chun masters just not ppl who are fake fighters who say they know it when they dont
@macabebe ebebacam wow you just played yourself congratulations he would slap you for saying that shit fuck outta here
@Avery Chance Yeah, but they BOTH do the crappy modified, NOT the complete traditional!
Adam, getting a lot from your videos, technically and philosophically. I having some history in Wing Chun but more in Aikido. In this and other videos on take-downs and arm-locks, I see a lot of Aikido technically and in principle. I like that you bring the different arts together and stress mutual respect. The Found of Aikido was know to say "Do not fear the art that is stronger and do not mock the art that is weaker." Keep up the good work. It is something I do not see reflected on TH-cam.
Nice explanation.. Most practitioners in the early stages like the rough aggressive moves.. I’ve always liked the simplicity.. I didn’t start doing Wing Chun to learn brutality. I choose it for the efficiency and practicality behind the techniques... I started in the Leung Ting lineage, but I enjoy your teachings
I study Leung Ting as well. I see where he's coming from in not going straight to internal as many of the newer students lack the patience it takes to wait for internal power to become strong and so dropout or use Li(muscular) force counteracting the internal their sifu's are trying to get them to develop taking them even longer. By starting external they learn physical structure and as they become more relaxed introduce the internal engine. Truly the fastest way to the end is to start internal in my opinion but only for those who are not caught up on needing to fight right away.
So is wing chun good? I Mean in a real fight with someone who knows how to fight?
I feel this instructor knows how to teach and useful
techniques
He does...
I saw something that reminded me of something. Kung fu does work and it can be applied to many degrees with control depending on your intent. And sometimes we don't realize what we learned until we see it take shape before our eyes.
0:00 to 5:45 : nice teaching, master
3:56 to 4:01 and 5:42 to 5:45 : Master, you have my sincere respect and admiration
Wing Chun and Kung Fu are great martial arts you just have to be willing to adapt them and put in the amount of time of training to make them effective.
Exactly instead of instantly says "it's fake" that's the easy way. It takes much more work plus humility to figure out how it actually can work.
Anyone can say anything is fake you can say MMA / UFC is fake combat because it has rules, I don't understand the myopic views without honest research 🤷.
@@delroymarkland9162 exactly when wing chun guys lose in mma people seem to forget half the moves in there art are banned putting them at a serious disadvantage
Also sparring is important. It doesnt need to be hard sparring all the time.
Sifu, would you mind doing a video on how you would approach hook punches? I've found that since in Wing Chun we train so often on a straight/centerline that it can sometimes be a gap. I've trained and learnt that you would typically approach hooks with a jamming Tan/Biu Sau at the elbow as early as possible to prevent it from building power (or just beat them to the punch with a faster straight punch). But when it came to sparring situations sometimes (since we're not used to it), full speed hooks were still a little intimidating, and if you ended up moving backwards (as can be the naturally tendency sometimes), I'd end up copping one or two at full power. This was particularly a problem when opponents threw good, sharp hooks (as opposed to the slow, wide, drunken street swings) which made the Tan/Biu Sau approach a lot less safe and easy.
Use high Bongsau & twist the body simultaneously.
High Bongsau is not in traditional Wungchun
Sorry to say but the tan/bong/biu sao vs a hook is pure fantasy. It is the wrong range. You can do it to a swing, but not to a propper hook. You do use the biu jee form thou. One thing that works realy good is the upwards elbow. I forget the name. Kup jar? A move as if you're brushing your own hair backwards, covering your temple with your arm. Your elbow will end up inside the hook and you can use that as a lever to get inside it with more elbow work. If done right, they can't pull back their arm without pulling themselves into your other elbow. Worst case, you've "only" blocked it the way a boxer would.
I agree. Most people seem to get off on power. They don't seem to understand that high level game is about cultivating effortlessness. Strange.
I loved your explanation for the progression and I completely agree. Beginners like that hard feedback.
Gotta love the ignorants in the comments
Such a lazy ad hominem. Why not tell me how my other comment is flawed?
The Tao can’t be explained it is embraced.
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe You've never spar them :)
Pegasus 175, an attack on my credentials instead of my argument, is an erroneous form of reasoning called an ‘ad hominem’. Try again
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe Well I guess you missed the whole point of this video. You have to try it before saying anything, same goes to every martial art. How are you going to judge something only by watching videos?
People don't like this water stuff because it takes a lot (more) skill to pull off than the direct stuff. So they "feel" it's fake, and demand pressure testing with gear (sparring or scenario testing).
Very good comment
they should not demand anything...they just have to STFU and leave people who are interested in this stuff in peace...this shit starts to get annoying
I'd say the double-leg takedown's popularity is largely in part to the popularization of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, where the focus is almost entirely on ground fighting. For a BJJ practitioner who needs to get the opponent down to the ground fast, but is constantly training against other grapplers that are used to fending off takedowns, it's a good technique to learn to get someone down without spending too much time training stand up (it's also crazy easy to slip in under punches from someone who's not used to being shot on). What most BJJ people forget is that the stance for striking is far less stable than a grappler's stance, and a double leg is usually not necessary. Lyoto Machida is one of the best examples, showing that a Karate trip can put down any striker on the ground if timed right.
Yeah cause fuck greco Roman wrestling...
We do the same thing in Choy Li Fut and Chen Tai Chi, beginners start with the super basic stuff, and then build on it. Come to think about it, BJJ was the same too. We had to learn the very basic guards and counters and spread out from there.
I'm thinking the people here that are talking about sparring and resistant partners have never taught before. You have to start from the very beginning with baby steps.
Love the follow ups off the pak sao Adam. I'm from the hood and tried to join your school but it was covidish time so you weren't taking students. I found a diamond in the rough of a Sifu...but I honestly see the true value of your vids being in the potential applications. I think one needs to spend time with a Sifu and learn the forms of course but also to roll and then chi sao, touch hands learn about not using energy vs energy. Like Sifu says, the forms are a like letters in an alphabet that can be used to form many words and stories. But visually seeing how they can be applied and how to do it then follow up in real situations is great stuff. I still say Wing Chun needs more look sao if people really want to be able to use with instinct.
Some of you guys dissing "fake kung fu" need to listen to Ramsey Drewery talk about how he and his coach got schooled by an old Tai Chi master. It's on his Marital Artists are terrible athletes TH-cam vid.
I know a couple of ex ring fighters who are now deep into internal kung fu
I saw the very same video and I was pleasantly inspired
You are 1 of the only few good wingchun sifus on the internet
I see Silat ,mixing Silat an Chun very effective...
Maybe it’s things that are shared with Silat, he doesn’t credit Silat itself.
One thing that I am always impressed with Wing Chun is how fast their hands move, something I have always wanted.
Where do you live? There are plenty of Wing Chun schools out there. I go to West Coast Wing Chun. It is amazing.
Mei Jing Thank you
Fake? I would never say that to the guy that beat my ass and made me like it
That Pat down move is not easy at all but when you get it right it crazy how well it works lol. My sparring partners always look confused as fuck when it works.
Pak sau is to slap away using your hand. What gets missed is that used properly, a pak is supposed to serve the same purpose as a punch or a kick, otherwise, it is a wasted movement. A slap is always a sting accompanied by a surprised recipient. That reaction to the sting that the pak inflicts is very important. It's the split second you need to perform the next attack.
Would be nice to see if applicable in a sparring or real fight
dont hold ur breath
@@alichekbigi?
@@tomg5405 u will never see it cuz it doesn't work..no wait theres a couple of videos of WC masters getting beat up really bad by the chinese mma dude that issues challenges to them
@@alichekbigi it depends. the guy in the fight you speak use the technic he not use and their main problem is that they never had real spar. I used myself some wing chu'mn techniques in boxing and thai box it worked good, but you have to know when you use and have fighting experience what all this guy don't have, they think just with training is enough. That is not the case it is same people do boxing aerobic and think they will be able to defend themselves and know how to fight ... 😆
A real fight or a real match?
Love watching these older vids as my knowledge and skill has increased since I first watched these hit a bit different now. Personally I love playing the joy stick into the 4 corners in my chi sao ( using opponents elbow to move the torso to the shoulder or hip joints). Which equate to the take downs by throwing the punch through the hip joint. And the throat punch into throw down is just nasty 👍🏾.
Hey Adam, thank yoou for sharing these vids. I am finding the very informative. Always finding things to supplement my Kempo training. Wing chun has always held some intrest to me in it's medium range orientation . Keep them coming.
World will say chinese kung fu is fake until it wins in the UFC.
So far Muay Thai,black American boxing,African boxing,and brazil jujitsu has made champs in UFC. While kung fu is...?
Its effective for opponents that dont know how to fight...
Opponents identical to you🐲🐉
Then fight me and I’ll show you
Both comments roasted u Tops.
It's for self defense, life or death. Any means necessary. Not for sports in the ring.
I enjoyed this video and This Sifu’s prospective. No nonsense approach and practical.
No nonsense? Not sparring is complete nonsense
Wilford Grimley I totally agree with you on that. But this is just a demo of some self defense application from a point of contact. Me I’m good, I see where he’s going with it.
Maybe the Sifu for this channel has some videos of his students or him sparring? You always could ask?
@@JEM-fo6rs wing chun schools dont spar. Im a wing chun practitioner of lo mans lineage. This is where the contact ends. Im lucky enough that my sifus disciple takes me and my brother outside of class and puts us to work. Gloves shin guards cups and mouth guards. Wing chun has done so much for my body mind and spirit. Its more than a martial art its a lifestyle. But at the end of the day we .ust remember that it is indeed a martial art. An art of warfare. If you're not learning to fight what's the point?
Wilford Grimley well then you and your school mates are indeed fortunate to have such a teacher. I’m from William Cheung lineages and we are blessed to also benefit with sparring and we have different schools of MA arts come and share there knowledge. My Sifu is definitely all about the realism of fighting being it competition or self defense.
I can’t disagree with you about WC don’t spar? But I don’t think we should blanket all WC with that. However I don’t think it’s enough schools of WC sparring ,Gear up and GO! Lot schools are happy with just Chi Sao as a form of sparring? But it’s just a drill for contact reflexes. A very important drill nevertheless.
In my earlier days me and my Kung Fu brothers would spar on Saturday class then catch up at my home, or the local park on Sunday morning gear up and do it again.
We definitely tried to keep it real.
So... where’s the answer to the question « is it fake » ?
guys who understand internal martial arts are intuitive physicists
Can't wait to touch hands with you Adam if I visit Vancouver... amazing
Great video there, and with actual octagon ring fights will be even better as need more combat Wing Chun martial artists to Step up to fight MMA fighters like Xu Xiaodong
These moves are nice, but that’s not how a real fight works. Unless you’re Bruce Lee fast, you’ll leave your head and neck exposed. Also, people don’t just leave their punch hanging out there for you to capitalize on.
He was only providing an explanation, ya ning nong.
You don't know you have not tried it!
It's always worked for me.
Impressive!!! Adam Chan wow! Look easy if you know yourself and have been fighting for a while. There is alot of TV kung fu with those punches, but that is why people like Steven's fighting because he dispenses his opponents faster. But so does Jet Lee, Bruce, Jackie also takes puts the fun into the fight.
YOW LOVE IT ! !!! THIS CHANNEL IS FIRE
If you really have a ball to test a grandmaster, do it on the street fight without any rules then you will know how good he is, not in MMA or UFC like children playground
The rules are for protecting your master when he lose the fight.
You do realise that discarding the rules means the MMA fighters are allowed to do that to the "grandmaster" as well right?
The true grandmaster don't need any rules nor protection but only fair fight
The real one is MMA. Proven in and out of octagon to defend your self.
MMA isn’t a martial art
People who say Kung fu is fake never really trained Nd or see how practical it is because it’s not for you.
I think people didn't listen carefully to what xu xiao dong said. He said he is exposing fake kung fu out there not that all kung fu is fake. He even said there are traditional styles that are effective. However I do believe that wing chun is not meant for tournaments because Bruce Lee did mention wing chun being most effective in a bathroom space. Bruce Lee can't be wrong.
We say it's fake because it obviously don't work. It is never shown in an actual fight only in demonstrations. While there is 100s videos of so called masters getting completely fucked and knocked out in less than 10 seconds. They experience being hit in the head for the first time. Because they never actually fought before.
@@TibiaOTarena there not masters u gotta be kidding me 😂 u really think a black belt would be knocked out in 5 seconds please
@@TibiaOTarena again ur generalizing everything who does real combat with fakes u see on the internet that’s like me watching a fight in ufc and staying who ever loss can’t fight 😂🤷♂️like what so because Conor loss’s fight he’s not a real fighter anymore
I want to train Wing Chung but I live in Egypt, Northern Africa . Do you have any advice for me Adam?
Adam has a website. I don't remember but I think you can get live web lessons. I might be wrong.
@@9usuck0 Thank you Ronald, I have just sent an email to them.
If you're really good wing chun practitioner it can be very useful although I think choy lay fut king fu to be more practical as a combat discipline
Ronald Hodgson do mma
@@tpawaits550 don't listen to the trolls. Wing Chun is the best fighting System ever created. And notice that I call it a system. It is not a style it is a system. Good luck on your venture. I hope you find a sifu to train under in person
There is a difference between an instructor and a fighter. He is not a fighter, only a teacher of possible usually not probable scenario in a REAL fight
Mr. Adam, I watch your videos. I have a request. Please do a drill that demonstrates, how to deal with a haymaker punch, or wild swing punches that throws specially by taller guys! I have to deal with mostly taller guys. Thank you.
Adam Chang vs Xu Xiadong
Who would win??? Any guesses!!!
Good to see some high level technique on display BTW 👍
But l not going to punch how this student of wing is punching here..my punches are going be very mean and with real bad intention so this blocking of hands will not work , you either have to dodge or slip my punches and infact most of the people will punch like me if it gets to street fight ....didnt mean to disrespect wing chun but some of the rigid n orthordox rules should broken and new method or techniques should be added or embraced for safety ignoring the ego based on cultures or belief
Sudhakar Tamang ya but the techniques shown here don’t require the elbow tap. You could perform these moves with a slip just as well, the “blocking” hand can be put there as a guard instead.
@@tubesism yes you re right that can be done and it makes more sense in real fighting ...
That is one of MANY different combos you can use in wing chun! It really all depends on what your preference is. As long as you stay within the confines of the traditional system and the ten concepts, you can modify (I hate that word, it is very deceptive and has multiple meanings) or change it to suit your abilities or disabilities, your personality, even your likes and dislikes! This means that some like using the fist, some like palm strikes, some use locks and throws, some like using kicks, some use sweeps, and some even like using some grappling (wing chun, of course, which uses all ten concepts, which makes it superior to jiu jitsu the same way wing chun is superior to jiu jitsu!). This is all fine and allowed within the wing chun system.
@mateas786 What do you mean? They are similar in useage and both use small circular motion to deflect or throw someone.
Absolutely. Even the taking center concept is the same as Aikdo.
And that takedown by pressing into the hip is in Aikido.
Similar concepts but WC focus on strikes while the other focuses on throws.
All I know is, I've been taking long fist Kung Fu for a little over three years, and I know several people who can put me on the ground in sparring using it. Will it dominate UFC? I dunno. Probably not. But to say it's useless is crazy to me.
Faux Bravo you are very fortunate to have a school that spars. Do you have any videos of this? Doesn’t have to be good. I’d like to see.
@@tubesism I don't have any video, but you're not the first person to ask.
I should give the caveat that we definitely don't go crazy hard.
No shots to the face. We're only allowed to use sweeps and stuff if both people have experience and agree. It's light continuous sparring with no pads. We do pad up if there's a tournament coming up to get used to going harder again, but it's never full contact.
That being said, it feels pretty legit to me. People still get hurt because even going light, shit can happen. We're not supposed to hit in the face but that doesn't mean people don't still throw face shots, which means you still get punched from time to time.
I still wouldn't bet on me in a fight against someone from like an MMA gym that spars hard, but I think we're doing some useful stuff.
@@fauxbravo that's not sparring then dude. If youre not getting hit in the face youre not preparing for a real fight. Period. You will fight how you train. If you've breve taken real shots to the mouth then when it happens in a real situation you will forget EVERYTHING. There is no way around real sparring. Gloves shin guards and face shots.
@@wilfordgrimley4339 It's not full-contact sparring. It's definitely sparring.
@@fauxbravo if you're not getting a taste of a real fight then its not sparring dude. Its just a drill. You have no clue now to handle a punch to the face if you do that. So whats the point? So what do you do when you're in a real fight and get rocked in your eyeball and the shit is stinging and you cant handle it and all the while this dude is taking off on you? What do you do? You'll fight how you train.
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Get a gun?
Nice video. Your wing chun uses Silat entires.
Maybe it’s things that are shared with Silat, he doesn’t credit Silat itself.
Great, great, folks just don't understand, I always know it's the young ones that don't understand these things.
People always want to showcase strength or "tension" as you say, but in the beginning you must learn the way to move without force, then you learn to do it with force, then under pressure with force, next under pressure without force (which eventually looks like little force to the natural minded or a novice/intermediate mindset).
You cannot do anything with people who persist to misunderstand you (what you're trying to convey).
Yes I have been doing Wing-Chun for over 40 years. Well said people keep running into beginners and not 6 foot 220 practitioners like me.
I like the idea of integrating throws opens up a whole new world. I would like to see a gloved up exhibition style demonstration or a bit of free sparring against an uncooperative opponent.
Kung fu guys used to come to our Tae Kwon do. Dojo and they would hurt us with kicks and strikes that hurt...
This style of fighting would only be useful against someone fighting the same style. Just for starters no normal person throws there punches like that from the chest and straight. Only need to loop those punches and that guys knocked the fuck out.
I love Wing Chun Kung Fu. The only issue I have is that Sifu often teaches to defend a type of punch that nobody uses in the real world, ever.
It's a good move you cover his eyes and go behind him. But as far as the 3 forms and dummy and I remember this move is there. It's off the menu move?
Not fake but very ineffective. The best striking is boxing. It's been shown many times
You mean kickboxing...
Wow!
These are nice ideas for Kung fu practice!
His videos are very good, he transmits that passion for wing chun
Sounds good, looks good, not gonna work in real combat.
It could work against a casual but useless against more experienced Mma fighter
Very odds when ignorance people of UGC said karate works but kung fu don't.
Now I know why wing chun hates boxer. They retract after punch. So no sticky hands.
" And another video where the practicioner willingly do what their master said "
I mean... Arent that how you teach someone in every factor of life? You start with a slow and scripted condition, then when you ready your teacher gonna give you the real problem to solve.
In this case, the master give you a scripted case to show you how to do the technique, and then when you ready he gonna tell you to go spar so you can try to use the technique on fight situation.
I mean... How you gonna get a grasp of how to do the technique if you dunno the basic of it?
Its like your teacher skipping the entire semester and when throught to final test without doing any class.
Would love to hear a little more detail on making the opponent fall with hand at back of knee + pushing at the hip. I heard something like trick the nervous system....
It's simple leverage and has nothing to do with tricking the nervous system
Great video! You should make videos on how to block real punches that happens in a street brawl like right and left hooks. In reality your opponents are not going to throw straight wing chun punches at you. Make a video on how to block an uppercut or right hook.
Test it against pressure and we will see.
They won't
Who said it was fake?
Joe Rogan I think
And yet it’s just ANOTHER theoretical wing chun video where cooperative demonstrations are decorated with endless explanations from the royale great grandmaster with cheese. Fighting is chaotic. No pressure-test, no buy.
Yep
Yeah, how does anyone let themselves into those situations where they can punch someone in the belly while having their hand on the back of their knees ? I see a good occasion to land an elbow in the back of the head after some knees to the face. Ok I fall, but you hurt.
maybe they start slow then once the person is ready they move into a more chaotic fight like situation
Shane Mcgonigal, why do people like you confuse a criticism with a request for advice?
@@EmperorsNewWardrobe sometime it is good to enlighten the ignorant
Wow you angle is right on cuz we only see theatrical!! You flow onto a reality
Also of note to MMA lovers, Anderson Silva uses JKD and Wing Chung.
Look are there techniques in wing Chung or traditional Kungfu that can be effective? Sure there are. Does that mean a guy who learns to throw kicks and punches against air is going to step in against a boxer or kick boxer and win? No it doesn't. The JKD that's being "taught" today is not the JKD that Bruce Lee envisioned or championed. Bruce Lee wanted a true complete practical combat system. Judo, Karate, boxing, some wrestling, taekwondo...he was throwing Muy Thai knees and elbows long before anyone outside of Thailand or Brazil saw it as anything more than a novelty jungle show.
Aikido was developed to "complement" judo as a way to disarm swordsman. How many swordsman are walking around Japan today? What you have is a lot of traditional martial arts that were/are being taught that no longer have a practical purpose and for what ever reason people just can't move on. It doesn't certain elements can't be effective but know Wing Chung master is going to be able to stand in a boxing ring and wrist/forearm knock away the punches of a prime Sugar Ray Leonard. It doesn't mean they can't use their foot work to create distance and back out of an engagement without getting completely obliterated.
"You can't teach people water" proceeds to teach water :)
I love your vids man. Always quality stuff.
why doesn't ever do any sparing, just shows example of still moves, nor dynamic movement like in sparring and real fight
I'm in the UK but my sigung is Eric Li out of Vancouver
I searched for Kung Flu and ended up here
this thing doesn't work because your opponent will draw back their hands not hang there
Thanks for sharing 🙏🏾
Fyi Back in the 90's my clubbing days I know some friends of mine are practitioner of Wing Chun and they get in a fight for a stupid reason and me as a good friend I will try to stop them from fighting someone but what I've seen is they always lose and get beat up all the time. They been practicing Wing Chun for a lot of years one of them is practicing Wing Chun since his 7 years of age. The bad thing is a lot of the guys that they fight is thugs don't know nothing about Martial Arts they nothing but street brawler. So I think that Wing Chun is not a effective form of Martial Arts on the street.
Then we all have a reunion all my friends to Las Vegas last year December. I asked all of them if they still practicing Wing Chun they said know, so you guys don't do Martial Arts anymore? Yes will still do Kick Boxing and grappling they said.
Sería genial verlo en la Realidad y no en un ejercicio de coreografía, me parece increíble que la gente se apu te a cosas donde no hay prueba competitiva de su efectividad.
I need to attend your classes.
Forgive a long post Adam, but this stuff has been on my mind a lot lately.
A lot of "internal" martial artists say that what's really good looks fake. I can't really agree with this. I'm sure some good things might look fake...but Mike Tyson was good, Ali was good, no one says their work looks fake. I do agree that some things look fake that are not...but generally what's shown to be "real", but that looks fake, involves working with at least somewhat compliant students...not that they're taking dives...but they're not striking unpredictably, even if they're told to...there's a rapport between teacher and student, a subtle signal of "OK, here I come and here's where I'm going to hit you." Everyone knows no one is going to get hurt. There's zero adrenaline and there are lots of smiles in the room. And the student's defensive moves are not done at speed. Sometimes the teacher even tells the student when and where to hit and then proceeds to talk about what's real.
In the many real fights that I have seen, in life and on video, in and out of the ring, things happen super fast...even among untrained people. The participants have zero interest in making the other guy look good, they make very fast corrections, and they don't wait around for the other guy to do anything resembling a technique...in fact usually there are no "techniques" at all except avoid that thing and hit this thing. For these and other reasons, I can't really consider something "real" unless I can see it work against a truly unpredictable non-compliant (in any way) attacker. It can be more serious, like a ring fight or street "duel" of some kind, or it can be in a somewhat safe controlled environment with pads and a few rules, even light sparring, but the attacks have to be truly unpredictable and intended to make contact, the defenses have to be at speed. This is the point where most "internal" martial artists, after making all kinds of martial claims, suddenly take the high road, go all "spiritual", start talking in a dismissive way not only about fighting generally, as though it's beneath them, something only mentally deficient people do. And they're especially dismissive about MMA, usually implying that it's unrefined, crude, and at a lower level spiritually to even engage in. Which would be fine...except for those martial claims. Seems the "internal" martial arts world is the only martial arena where you can make claims and not have to show them under any real pressure. This is not true of science either. If you claim it, you've got to back it up with more than words.
*Not to throw you in with these folks Adam...I really like the way you move...but when it comes to "real", I like your close and nail 'em moves better than the more subtle stuff, unless you bring in someone from another school, tell them to really go for it and then show the subtle stuff. I like the subtle stuff, it's a pleasure to work with and contributes to my understanding of flow, life, anatomy, gravity, and so on...but for me to believe it will hold up under real pressure, I need to see it hold up under real pressure. And so far, I have not seen this.
The Tao Te Tching talks about the soft overcoming the hard and uses the example of water wearing down the rocks. And this is true...eventually. And "eventually" is the key word because right now, the rocks are winning. They are forcing the water to change course. The water will win in time, in the long run, but not right now. The soft aspect of martial arts or any athletic endeavor is very important, I study it daily, but in my opinion, not enough by itself to prevail now, in the short term, which is really all we have especially when it comes to fighting and daily life. Otherwise there would be at least one fighter on the top of at least one martial arts podium somewhere in the world who is not strong and used physics tricks to get up there. This is not the case. At the top of every martial arts podium everywhere, from high school wrestling to MMA to Sumo to Ju Jitsu to boxing to you name it, the person at the top is not just strong but very strong, way stronger than the average person. Brute strength may not be necessary, but strength sure seems to be. A strong person can beat a stronger person but when a weak person beats a strong person it's a fluke and usually not repeatable. You're looking plenty strong yourself there dude. ;~) GB
Just as an enthusiast here and no expert, but here's some of my thoughts. (long warning)
"no one is going to get hurt. There's zero adrenaline"
well it's a showcase. of course no one is going to get hurt. That's the point. If someone got hurt in a showcase noone will learn at that gym. You'd cripple yourself before you learn anything. That's why they tell people where to hit, and it's mostly for the benefit of the students "here focus on this part". It's like pad work or teaching someone a jab or a hook or a cross counter, there's compliant students holding the pad, and then they talk about what's real. What's the difference?
There being zero adrenaline is, in my opinion, a good thing. adrenaline and getting pumped up can, a lot of times, be more detrimental. It causes you to tense up, causes you to make lapses in judgement. Some styles i've seen use that to their benefit. Some, including my own, see it as a liability. i've gotten into a few "fights" before, and i've never really had adrenaline kick in, but that might just be my style im used to, because just like training, im not agitated, im not pumped full of adrenaline and twitchy. I'm calm and collected.
"in fact usually there are no "techniques" at all except avoid that thing and hit this thing" that's false. that's the whole point of techniques. avoiding something is a technique, hitting something correctly is a technique. An amateur's punch can connect but it probably wont do much damage (especially if you are trained in rolling with the force etc aka "roll with the punches"). a trained and skilled person? will down someone in a single punch because they KNOW the technique to do so. Just like mike tyson and ali you pointed out. Are those not clearly "techniques"?
"talking in a dismissive way not only about fighting generally, as though it's beneath them" I dont know what kind of schools or school you've been exposed to, but that's definitely not the case for internal martial arts itself. Just like how there are people like that in "internal" martial arts, there's a lot of people who think the same for their style. "BJJ is the best! a striker can not do anything to them!" or "muay thai is the best!" etc.
"especially dismissive about MMA" again, what kind of school do you go to? did you go to a school where they advocate internal martial arts for strengthening your body and spiritualism? If so, of course they are going to say that. There's also bad and good schools.
MMA is also not perfect. there's certain rules that benefit certain styles while limiting others. It also has rules that draw out fights because it's a sport that people 'watch' for entertainment. If it was real combat it will be over very fast, like you said. If you REALLY want a real life showcase? Prepare for crippling, permanent damage, and death. Nobody these days is willing to go that far, and even if they did, there's laws against it.
" If you claim it, you've got to back it up with more than words." I've been exposed to a lot of internal martial arts. (i know it's just my word with no proof, but im just sharing what i experienced) i've personally experienced it, and i've, to some extent, managed to replicate it. I've taken heavy punches from boxers/external martial arts. i get bruising and maybe almost a cracked bone. A good sharp punch can knock the wind out of me, even though armor. I've also taken "internal" strength hits, (with mma armor), which went through the armor, hit me, and instead of any bruising or muscle/bone damage, i felt as if my organs were churning around and i can feel the force seeping into me and spreading out inside me. It was a light, loose punch (while the master was holding back of course). I had to sit down, and almost couldnt breathe properly for a solid 1minute. Even after that i felt queasy and wanted to throw up for the rest of the session.
Now imagine you want them to do that, in full combat with unpredictability, against someone. If that connects, someone's going to the hospital, or worse, ruptured organs. (i know mine felt like it was going to).
"bring in someone from another school, tell them to really go for it and then show the subtle stuff" and risk injury to the other person? If that was done at full speed (you know he is holding back in the demos), that's gonna send someone to the hospital. How are you remotely going to show anything subtle in that state? For example, that head press thing to make people fall over, when done fast, will highly likely to snap someone's neck. Who's gonna take responsibility if they go full force unrestrained and someone dies? Just to show you it works?
"one fighter on the top of at least one martial arts podium somewhere in the world who is not strong and used physics tricks to get up there" just my opinion, but those 'physics tricks' exists in almost ALL martial arts and techniques. Boxing, muay thai, karate, taichi etc. How do you make punches hit harder in boxing? You add spin, you add your back, you add your body twisting, connect the whole body. What basis does taichi work under? spiral, and spin, and connecting your whole body. Their focus is different, their training is different, but a lot of movements many styles have ends up being similar. I've found moves in boxing that is very similar in terms of concept to what my "internal" style teaches, as with many other styles.
"Brute strength may not be necessary, but strength sure seems to be" what is 'strength'? If you know to separate strength from brute strength, then you should know that real "strength" is a combination of physical strength/speed (you need those to execute your techniques), mental strength (not losing your cool and clouding your judgement), experience, and technique. Just because "internal" practitioners dont rock body builder bods doesnt mean they dont have "strength". Im a 100 kilo guy, and i've been tossed literally 5+ meters away lightly by someone who's barely 70 kilos with no bulky muscles (light sparring). Is that not "strength"?
PS: gonna have to include that because of the "nature" of internal styles (aka you cant see their obvious "strength"), there's been a rise of "fake" masters exactly because it's hard to "see". However, you also have genuine masters who knows the "correct" teachings and can teach well, but they cant do it themselves. Just like how many boxing coaches who are way past their prime can still know the right thing to teach, but will probably not fare well in a ring. Just something to consider.
@@lodsup You make many good points, but I think you misunderstand me.
To try and take them one at a time...
I wasn't saying there needs to be adrenaline and the risk of people being hurt to make a good demo. Demos with adrenaline and risk of injury are not good. But, for me to claim that something is real when there's no adrenaline or chance of being hurt is not convincing to me. The realness is what I'm talking about here. The "realness" is not convincing from a compliant demo with no real pressure. Even pads are a kind of pressure because you can miss. Not only the pad but the sweet spot. You can't miss when you punch air or gently tap your partner.
By "techniques" I should have been more specific. I meant fancy techniques or by the book techniques...they do this clear and obvious thing, I do this other thing to stop them. Techniques with names like "Dragon Shakes Tail". Textbook stuff you learn and then do. I meant that real fights are very often chaotic, ugly, inelegant and brutal. You could watch a thousand street fights and not see anything textbook or pretty. So yes, avoid this and hit that is a technique but not a "technique" if you catch my meaning.
As for MMA and dismissive talk. It's one thing to talk dismissively about another style or art and be willing to back it up. I'm talking about guys who make all kinds of "no force", "no enemy" philosophical points and make all kinds of claims about how they can use this in action...but when you ask for proof, or would this work against a cage fighter, hell even a high school wrestler, THEN, they go all spiritual and dismissive of the more "hard" style arts. It's not everyone in the "internal" arts but it's definitely a faction. Maybe it's the fake ones. But if you say this stuff is martial and good for fighting but when asked to show how, retreat to it's spiritual and above fighting, then I call bullshit, at least as far as believing it's "real" just because someone claims it is.
I've seen and felt some hard hits too...heavy hands like Systema people...penetrating punches etc. They usually require at least one second too long to set up to be useful against a moving and skilled opponent. If someone says that this slower thing works at speed, I need to see it work at speed. Not at "kill speed" but actually something like real speed. For instance, I've never seen a Systema person move at anything approaching real speed. I've seen them hit things and I have no doubt that those hits were hard and deep. But I've yet to see it at even medium speed at a moving target, let alone a moving target that trying to hit back. I don't say they can't do it, just that for me to believe they can, I need to see them do it. Even against random but non-predictably moving pads would be nice.
I agree about physics tricks and the soft aspects of MA being present in all the good and successful martial artist's work. I meant that the soft aspects and physics tricks *alone* are not enough, as indeed, some internal martial artists claim. Many of them claim strength is un-necessary and to be avoided. It's all "chi" or "energy". Not saying that's you or your school and obviously it's not Adam.
I agree with what you say about strength too. I was referring to the "internal" people who claim strength is not necessary.
"Internal" stuff might be invisible within the practitioner's body, its effects in the outside world should not be. This is why I feel extraordinary claims demand evidence. I'm not putting you or Adam in the category of fake...but what you have in common with the fake people is saying, "The best stuff looks fake." I've never seen anything that works under pressure that looks fake. The easiest way to show that something isn't fake is to put it under pressure. Now of course, no one needs to prove shit to me. I'm just some guy on the internet. And maybe the old guy who teaches it can't do it anymore...but surely someone should be willing to show something under real pressure that looks fake or easy.
And I should say too, that I'm just talking about myself here. What I would need to see in order to say that something is real not fake. I accepted all kinds of things as given as a younger guy, just because someone in authority said it was so. But as I've grown older, I've become a lot more skeptical and in need of at least some evidence to back up claims. I'm not a fighter myself. I practice T'ai-Chi mainly as a "martial yoga" to help me to be efficient, effective and injury free in daily life. I practice some NCGF to take those principles up a notch so I would not be totally useless in a real fight. I believe I would lose pretty quickly in a real fight with Adam but I seriously doubt he could use that punch my hip crease and land me on my ass technique on me. I might be wrong. ;~) I think his best bet would be to use his speed and power to take out my mainframe pronto. ;~) Thanks for an intelligent discussion on youtube. There's a first time for everything. ;~) The main thing I was talking about was not this particular demo, but the claim that the good stuff looks fake. GB
@@GeneBurnett First, thank you for your civil reply. Here's to addressing your points.
Ah i see. i must have misunderstood. However that brings me back to the point. In this day and age, how do you propose to conduct such a thing? No rules street fight that can end in permanent injury/manslaughter. If you lose, you could die/be crippled for life. If you win, you would land yourself in jail. It's a lose lose situation. That's why most martial arts philosophy is to not get into a fight in the first place. It's probably a bad example, but soldiers train to shoot targets in a training range. They do the training over and over again, under no adrenaline/danger. And then they are sent to war. Are their skills real? Do they have to shoot at live people who fires back at them with live ammunition under the threat of loss of life in order for it to be real? No. training is training. Training is to prepare yourself the best you can without getting real. If training is 'real', then i bet 90% of the people who train that way dont survive long enough to get anywhere. That was my point. Seeing something work in a controlled environment doesnt mean it's not real. The techniques work, how well it works/if it works at all depends on the person using it imo.
"Techniques with names like "Dragon Shakes Tail" " Ah i see where you are getting at. However i believe you seem to have a misconception (i used to think the same way). For example, dragon shakes tail, or whatever form or "move" you see them teach, is not supposed to be used "as is". The style im currently practicing teaches a lot of "moves" like that too. You train in a certain way, in a certain "move" in order to train your "strength" and your body. For example, a downward spiral backwards palm strike (completely arbitrary), looks fancy, and looks useless, and i would probably never ever use it in a real fight, but what does it give me? By training that move and mastering it, i achieve a certain level of flexibility, i learn to generate power in my palm strike from that position, and i learn to couple my body and my movements to better my body condition. Who knows, maybe one day im fighting two people at once, and someone comes up behind me, and that backwards palm strike might just help me out in a pinch, because the guy sneaking up behind me wont expect it. Maybe someone comes at me from the side, and in order to dodge his punch im off center and instead of turning around to retaliate i can just use half of that move. As a lot of masters i've seen say, (direct translation) "moves are dead (stagnant), humans are alive, how you use it is up to you". Once you train your body and learn the essence/ideology of the art, you can throw away all your moves, and still can be using that style. Any move you use is on the table. "moves" are only a stepping stone in your path to the art, not that the move IS the art. That's my take. Whenever im sparring with people i barely use any "move" i trained in at all. sometimes if the situation is right i will use half of a "move" or even not even the move itself, but the postion and twisting of my body in order to go in or dodge something just because im so used to it, and my body has the ability to.
"good for fighting but when asked to show how, retreat to it's spiritual and above fighting, then I call bullshit" I somewhat agree. however since a simple demonstration/light sparring isnt enough for you but only a "real" fight counts? Im sure even a lot of boxers or MMA people will do the same. For example, "hey, you say this cross counter works? i dont want to see a demonstration, i want to see a real life fight application of this, go fight someone on the streets without rules to prove to me." Most people will go "nah, it's fine, you dont have to believe me (and i dont wanna go to jail)" If you get me.
"They usually require at least one second too long to set up". This i also somewhat agree. However since they are in the context of trying to demonstrate something, they WILL go slow. I wont know if they can go fast either. The hit i experienced was the speed of a light jab, sure it's nothing astounding, but it's definitely "usable", and im pretty sure he could have sped it up. The basic logic of any fight is that you "shouldnt" be able to get a clean hit in in a fight. That's why you "open" them up to vulnerabilities and THEN get a good hit in. Just like adam in this video. he flicks the opponent's guard away FIRST, then consider time/place and see if it's available for him to capitalize it enough to go for a finishing/clean hit. If he was under threat he wont even attempt it. Would i ever get in a ring to let someone try it (the penetrating hit) on me? hell no. bracing myself and with armor on i felt like i could puke my guts out. (i can do it a little myself but it's like 1 in 10 times, need more training haha), and i would never try to use it during my sparring. It's simply too dangerous imo. I try it on my friends and they try it on me sometimes with armor on but i would never do it if they arnt ready/wearing armor.
"It's all "chi" or "energy"" I study that just a little as well. Well i'll spare you the details but it does have an effect. (if you are interested im more than willing to share my personal experiences). However like you said, it's not all there is to it. You can have the strongest attack imbued with chi and whatever, but if you cant land it it does nothing. That i highly agree. However i've seen a lot of schools prioritize "chi" when teaching instead of proper application due to certain teachings steeped in tradition. "dont try to run when you cant even walk" is the expression. They believe that "what good is teaching you combat applications of this move when you cant even execute the move in the first place? Even if you hit the dude you'd do nothing". I dont fully agree with this style of thinking, because it can easily result in the situation you see a lot these days. People who train, and know the techniques, and have the "strength" in their attacks, but dont know how to use them due to lack of combat experience.
"I seriously doubt he could use that punch my hip crease and land me on my ass technique on me." -> "use his speed and power to take out my mainframe pronto" That's a contradiction no? If he had enough speed and power/is better than you, what's stopping him from breaking your structure, and before you can regain that structure or retaliate, use that move on you? I know im repeating myself but that's my point. In a real fight you really, only need one good hit in. That's why most street fights end fast. one, good hit. Rest of the fight is chipping away at one another looking for an opening. If you find/create an opening, what's stopping you from using any of the said "techniques"? I used to think that a move i've seen in movies (stepping into the person while the person is trying to kick and catch his leg) was kinda unreasonable and would probably not work. Until i saw two of my friends having a full contact sparring and one of them did that, caught his leg, swung him around and tossed him away (onto the mat). Techniques can be there, and can work, but making it work depends on the person itself. A person with the best techniques in the world would lose every single time if they dont know how to use them. a person can know only a few "flashy unrealistic" techniques but if he knows how to use them properly, would rarely lose. That's my point of view anyways.
Kung fu gets such a bad rep because out of 1,000 “masters”, only 1 of them have actually been in many street fights themselves. And that’s TODAY. In 15 years, it will be 1 of 10,000 that actually have multiple bare knuckle street fight experiences. Kung fu will only get watered down more and more.
I got the chance to train with a 65 year old guy who claims he has been in 50+ street fights from age of 15-45. No proof of course because that was 20-50 years ago. However, when you’re actually lucky enough to meet these kind of ppl and get the chance to train with them EVEN THO it’s not full force/speed, you will see it in their eye and feel it in their hand. You can just tell they’ve really done these things in combat.
He claims he participated in the bare knuckle no rules fighting tournaments in Vietnam before it was illegal in the 70’s. Says he saw ppl die from these events. Said he got kicked in the nuts and pissed blood for 6 months. Again, no proof of any of his claims, but I can see it in his eyes and feel it in his energy when we touch hands in training. He has no fear in his eye at all. He doesn’t flinch.
It’s rare to meet these people. Very very rare. So I completely understand the hate for kf. There’s too many fake teachers. Only 1 of 1000 have actual MULTIPLE (key word here is “multiple“) street fight experiences. Mr Vu only focuses on 3 targets when fighting: the groin first, eyes and throat second. How do you train these targets at full force? I guess you could wear a cup and let me practice my nut kicks as you come in for punches lol? Would you? Not many will.
If any of you would like to experience real kf, his name is Mr Vu. He trains at the Lohan school of shaolin in Chinatown Las Vegas at 5:30pm. He loves meeting skeptical ppl.
@@lodsup Thanks for your reply as well. I think we're mostly in agreement here. I don't necessarily insist on a full-contact risky real fight to prove something is real, but just to see it under some real pressure would be nice. It doesn't have to be the pressure of a full-on fight...but the pressure of a truly non-compliant partner would be nice...as I said in my OP, even some light sparring would be nice. Even a story about a real encounter re-enacted a bit would be helpful.
One of the things I like about Adam's stuff is that, as he says in his book, he tries things under pressure to research how they play out.
I'm also aware that training forms are not literal techniques to be used in combat, but still I see videos where techniques are shown as if they literally will. I agree they can impart general attributes or benefits that are helpful in fighting even if not literally. As Steve Smith says, "Pushups don't work in a fight either. " ;~)
About the heavy or penetrating strikes...again, not doubting their power...but it sure would be nice to see someone unload on a moving target, even if it's just pads. When I see someone do that...like Tyson would do in training demos...or one of Tommy Curruthers' students...they never talk about all this internal spiraling and whip-like kinetic chain...that just takes too long with moving targets. I believe you have to sacrifice some of that perfect balance and flow and just strike with whatever force is needed in the moment to hit the target. The other stuff is nice, but to say it works when you only hit slow moving or stationary targets isn't very convincing to me. And generally, knowing how to hit hard is not nearly the same as doing it a few thousand times a week, every week. When someone who never hits anything but air starts to act like their stuff is "real" I find it hard to take seriously. When I started hitting pads 2-3 times a week a few years ago, I was amazed at the difference. My entire body from my hand to my foot needed to be conditioned for the impact. My "internal" arts training helped a lot because I knew my way around my body very well and could make the adjustments needed...but just my hands alone took many months to condition and the process continues. And again, I don't need to see a full-on fight, although a ring fight with someone who espouses a certain martial philosophy is always telling...But some real-ish pressure would be great to see. There is plenty of gray area between totally compliant demos and a death match. ;~)
And lastly, I don't think it's a contradiction...closing and blasting me in the head allows no time for me to correct and adjust but getting in close enough to find that exact spot in my hip crease and take me down with it requires a lot more time and closeness to my body. And even then, once I feel that pressure on my hip, I have options to adjust for it that I don't have with a face blast. But hey, it might work. But for me to believe it is real, I'd have to see it in action that is more spontaneous than a typical demo, with someone actively trying to counter it, not a student. All students have an investment in making their teacher look good whether or not they know it or admit it.
I guess I'm just tired of seeing out-of-shape or overweight or obviously cushy lookin' dudes holding forth about what's real and showing some pretty mellow stuff that they say "looks fake" like "all the good stuff does" and being let off the hook right there. I believe if you say something that very few people who actually fight ever say, like "strength isn't necessary" or "I can control his whole body with this one touch"...that there should be some evidence presented to back it up. When Tyson or someone with a proven record talks about how to strike, I listen more attentively than when someone with a sensei belly who hasn't hit anything harder than air in years starts talking. So to summarize: If something looks fake and I'm to believe it's real, I want to see it under more pressure than a compliant demo with a student before I do so. It doesn't have to be a real fight but it has to be more than the student taking the thing without making any attempt to counter or neutralize.
Sir your simplified the learning
These techniques look good on a non resisting guy. Put on gloves and do it while sparring. Will better convince ppl what u are teaching works. Have u seen Saenchai spar with Muay Thai students? He does so with amazing control and executes his techniques so smoothly no one can doubt they work, yet doesn’t hurt the students. He is a real master. This one? I’m not convinced.
Saenchai's skills speak for themselves. I wouldn't dispute him being a master despite his loss to a teenager. But, unlike muay tai warriors who fight mostly for sport wing chun practitioners train and fight to defend. To intercept, or ward off an attack. Or, to kill, if necessary. Wing chun doesn't involve antics, or squaring off in i ring. It's designed to stop you, not out-score you.
Wing Chun does not use gloves and we fight with our shoes on.We punch different than a boxer or karate.It is a straight punch not a push!
Wing Chun is not allowed in the olympics or MMA because it is not made to spar.The system was designed to end a fight quickly and has killing and permanently disabling techniques.
This type of martial art and probably kung fu in general work best bare knuckle
"This bowler seems good and all, but can he do it with a tennis racket on grass?"
You are really great kong fu teacher.
i have practiced wing chun very breifly from master lee in MISSISSAUGA.ont .ca you should be so lucky to learn any of this art?? this is not fake ! its discipline beyond western comprehension !!""" try the hoarse stance? " or maybe ?? your tough enough?
Well this doesn't prove this techniques are practical. These are just drills. Don't get me wrong I do Hung Gar but the best way to show applicability is by sparring or tournament fighting against resisting opponents.
@Damien Daniels Then I believe your base fighting skills came from your other martial training not from Aikido. Aikido is a "post graduate" style developed by a veteran exsoldier who was an expert in Jiu Jitsu and Kenjutsu with real life or death hand to hand combat experience, as a more gentle philosophical approach to martial arts. Made to complete fighters who were already experts who did want to hurt a potential aggressor and decided to subdue them with minimun damage. It doesn't work well for novices who have not learn timing, distance, rhythm, developed strength and speed. For this there is the testimony of dozens of Aikidokas that have leave Aikido for other martial arts without really unserstanding its roots.
@Damien Daniels You can call me a fool but my opinion is well founded I have participated in many forums in which testimonies of people from schools that didn't spar or fought in training, just couldn't handle a real life prolonged encounter are common. Some could be false but several are true. There are also several channels here in youtube of ex Aikidokas and other non sparring martial arts that leave them because of bad experiences. In the other hand, I have had real life duel like full contact fights with people who claim Wing Chun with no sparring and two pure Aikidokas who never spar and could not handle a fight. As well as experience with their (and mine) school mate, a cross trainer in Shotokan, Hung Gar, Aikido who sparred and routinely fought in full contact tournaments.
Kung Fu has 5 learning levels each with sublevels and variations empty handed and/or with weapons. The forms in the air. Application drills (individual or multiple attacker drills). Conditioned sparring one opponent or several (in which the participants are only allowed a restricted number of techniques to apply or counter apply). Free sparring one opponent (light, medium or full contact). The most advance is multiple attacker free medium contact sparring (with restricted space, free space or restricted techniques)
@Damien Daniels Its almost the same either way I am too old to be offended by this. Ok Aikido is your base but you are a cross trainer you have had training in the military in judo based grappling and striking.
@Damien Daniels My opinion is not about you, although you claim sparring is not needed. It is about schools that don't practice sparring routinely. Also my opinion is based on both personal empirical evidence and in testimonial evidence which includes interviews in channels in english and spanish. This are the bases of social studies to which martial arts belong.
Lovely clip
Less is more
The idea of using wing Chun to fight 😂😂😂🤷🏻♂️.
Nobody really hits like that
Adam should get his friens to hire a real gangster with background in MMA or Muay Thai to attack Adam. Then see how he fares in fending off the gangster on the street. This video is choreographed simulated sparring that doesn't prove anything. His student doesn't resist nor fight back at all
Do the same to MMA people !
@@ecnivmarng7163 sure, they should too to evaluate how they fare. But Adam most likely to get himself beaten up in realistic assault compared to his student trying to assault an MMA guy
Very simple, demonstrate the techniques in an actual live fight (ring, cage), where you are forced to defend the full power strikes of an opponent that is not compliant (unlike an instructors student). This allows us to determine a systems effectiveness. You see this with Boxing (thai and kick), MMA etc and have literally thousands of videos to reference. Scenarios like this are far and few between with Kung Fu and there is a reason for that.
Eye poking and groin kicking isn't allowed in mma. There's a reason for that.
@@poophayd Agreed, but eye gauging and groin kicks are available to everyone in a street fight. You can still demonstrate the effectiveness of Kung Fu's blocking, footwork, counters, fist/palm/elbow/kick attacks etc in a live scenario, Wing Chun for example is not solely reliant on finger jabs and groin kicks. My ultimate point is, Kung Fu seems to fold under real pressure, when someone is trying to actually hurt you. As a student/instructor you should WANT to pressure test your discipline but strangely no one wants to do this in the Kung Fu world, and so far when they have, the outcome has not been great
@@poophayd If your "martial art" is only effective with eye gouges, groin kicks and not more basic moves you dont have a martial art. You have a set of cheap tricks that literally any bare knuckle boxer, bjj, muy tai guy could also do IN ADDITION to their real fighting art which is not just cheap shots. Those are moves that are taught to small women because they dont have the strength to actually fight against a stronger opponent. Youre basically admitting learning wing chun is useless. Just learn Muy Tai and also do eye gouges and groin kicks lol. Dont need to train years in Wing Chun for that.
@@morelhunter3966 lmao you some kind of world champion undefeated invincible super hero who can beat anyone fair and square huh? Get real buddy, if I gotta kick someone in the nuts to avoid getting kod or stabbed I'm doing it no hesitation.
@@poophayd I think you missed the point Ma'am. Try thinking with logic instead of emotions and reread what I said.
Very nice moves....Very good teacher...but the street is very dangerious......empty hand=💀
When do practice start
A martial art, but not one that is effective against a fighter who uses other styles...only effective against the average person with no training in combat fighting
Kicking, striking, and chopping only the softest parts of the body's Centerline when in tough situations, eyes nose throat, solar plexus stomach and groin. Is Cobras best offense. I've used it in real fights, Cobra n wing chun mix is deadly. They dont teach the Three Gate Execution anyway, you gotta catch real practitioners
Guys please don’t practice this stuff if you wanna fight, go to a mma gym this is movie stuff you’ll get whooped if you try this
Here we go again, "I would like to see it works in real fights. " Stick to mma if you folks love it so much.
very well said ;) great video ;)
It's not the style it's the practitioners. That doesn't work in the ring.
Eric Walker it’s the practitioners training method. If the first time they have been hit, or seen the techniques their opponent is using is in the ring they are probably not going to do well.
I guess this argument between the standing dummies/couch potatoes and the people’s who are tired of bullshido martial artists will never seem to be settled.The bullshido standing dummies have convinced themselves that by practicing as a dummy all their lives that some how they will be able to apply all that bullshido in the heat of battle in case they are attacked. And all the realist are asking for is to demonstrate the bullshido under pressure against a unpredictable opponent who is not willing to stand there been a dummy while you look flashy doing all those bullshido moves.IS THAT TOO MUSH TO ASK FOR.
Who says?
Wing chun is the art for lady protect her self is good
250+-years still 1 in 100 is ok
Yep, Stil fake and doesn't work against trained opponents, no need to sugarcoat things and be polite to scam artists like him.
¡Incluyan traducción al español!Gracias
Let him fight shi shaow doh in a ring fight... no chance
There is a difference between an instructor and a real fighter