a competant well spoken, clear statement, from a commander in chief.. who is quick to acton and knows waht he is doing. that would be nice wouldn't it.
Most unrealistic part of this is Will asking CJ, 15 down? Will Bailey the Air Force Reserve (Lieutenant?) and son of Supreme Allied Military Commander asking CJ 15 down? Ya right. Post Sorkin years
W/ sorkin they used secretaries and randoms to explain things to the audience, post sorkin they didn't have the imagination to do anything else but make smart people act stupid
Why would he have to 5:03 know that? That’s a civilian issue. He would be told where to move people. He might not know what that meant. Would the military know every aspect of civilian coding or vice versa? Plus he’s reserve not full time military so I don’t know how far they would be briefed on things like that. Especially as he’s part of the Jag Corps if I remember rightly.
There was an episode when Air Force One got a fighter escort and Lt. Will USAF called it a F-16 Falcon. The image they used was clearly a F-15 Eagle. Of course that could just be post-production selecting the wrong image to insert into the blue screen. th-cam.com/video/LsGSwhmjpPE/w-d-xo.html
This is a very funny complaint that looks at the Sorkin years with only the rosiest of rose colored glasses (and I love the Sorkin years!). Remember when CJ Craig, the highly competent White House Press Secretary needed the speech writer to tell her what the census was? That was embarrassing. Remember in fellow Sorkin production The Newsroom when they dedicated a whole scene to MacKenzie McHale, reporter extraordinaire, sitting down like a disappointing school child so that she could have the broad notion of "The Economy" explained to her? Those examples are especially egregious compared to this minor one with Will because I can think of three reasons off the top of my head why Will might ask this question. 1) Will is not a pilot, combat specialist, or evacuation specialist. He is a reservist attached to the JAG corp. i.e., he's a USAF Lawyer, on some weekends. Not exactly the guy I'd most expect to know this lingo off the top of his head. 2) Will and his father don't honestly seem that close. They may not have spoke of his work often, this terminology might not have been passed to him that way. 3) Will might actually KNOW the term, but in a different context. He might be responsibly asking for clarification so he knows he's understanding it correctly in this context. Anyway, the Sorkin years were undoubtabley better than the Post-Sorkin years, but this specific line/quibble is not indicative of the drop in quality.
It was 2006, only the year before the iPhone launched. Internet on smartphones was definitely a thing back then (Blackberry, Symbian, Palm OS, Windows Mobile, etc.), but it wasn't really the "desktop browser experience" that iPhone and Android promised.
@@guspaz True. However most people did not have Blackberrys. That was mostly businessmen, lawyers, a few doctors, etc. Back then, a Blackberry was a like a car phone was in the 1980's.
@@Andrew_Waples LOL Yes he did. When he thought he was going to get a refund on his taxes but Bartlet's economic stimulus check the year before had Charlie owing the IRS instead! 😂 In the end, President Bartlet bought him the DVD player.
'A' valve failed? Then everything is okay. BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE THAN ONE. Three Mile Island's main problem was that they shut off the water flow, not just the malfunctioning equipment. Also, fuel rods don't become combustible because they are exposed to air. They just heat up and start melting. Hence the term MELTDOWN. This wasn't secret information when they made this and they could have kept up the 'tenseness' of the situation even if they made it more plausible.
@@Badonicus oh wow. you think you are really smart. Basic nuclear physics is SOOOO hard for a writer to look into? Doesn't take a genius to point out why stupid talk about nuclear power makes people afraid of it.
it's the same reason the first couple of Fast and the Furious movies are full of unrealistic/inaccurate car talk, even though they had a car expert on the payroll (Craig Lieberman): technically accurate but boring details don't make for good dialogue
@@tervalasMaking people afraid of nuclear power may have been the liberal screenwriters plan, even subconsciously. It also means that the Matt Santos Miracle has another Deus ex Machina, this one to make the Republican candidate lose votes in California, his home state.
with Josh gone on the Santos train. Leo replaced as WHCOS and Toby under indictment by now, the white house was running on fumes and putting any recogniseable face on screen helped i guess.
The Kate Harper character was not with the NSA in the show, her title was the Deputy National Security Advisor under Nancy McNally. The real life comparison of people who have served in this role prior to being more well known in government/military would be Alexander Haig, Brent Scowcroft, Colin Powell, and Robert Gates. Much like "Commander Kate Harper", Haig, Scowcroft, and Powell all served in the role while remaining on active military service.
You don’t want to notify the public until there’s a plan in place There is already one held by the NPP and the NRC. All nuclear power plants are required to keep one if evacuations are required. That said I wonder if this episode was trying to emulate President Carter with Three Mile Island given Carter was with the nuclear navy prior and had more of a clue on nuclear reactors than most of the NRC at the time (I believe the NRC reforms also kicked off after that episode)
Which then leads to the point if they cant get the back up pumps running then they are left with the absolute last resort; flood the reactor with sea water out of the Pacific. It will kill the reaction in the core and absorb the radiation but also kill the reactor itself permanently
The described accident scenario is totally unrealistic. There is not a single valve that could fail, nor even several, that could lead to a meltdown. The California Nuclear Plants all have multiple systems with backup equipment to prevent a nuclear meltdown. Even if there is a meltdown the radiation is contained within the primary coolant system, and if that fails within the containment building (there are 3 distinct levels of containment to prevent a radiation release to the public). Furthermore, the plants and the counties around them have full emergency staffs to handle all emergencies - even if everything fails and somehow a major hole is blown in the containment building. There is no need to dispatch major support from anywhere, not for days (if the plant goes on emergency diesels they will need diesel fuel after a week). After Three Mile Island all nuclear power plants in the USA installed multiple trains of level monitoring equipment to see the steam bubble and uncovered core problem that occurred at Three Mile Island; and there are multiple ways to add water to the reactor in such a situation. Now could the plant trip off line. Yes. That happens all the time. Does the Main Steam Safety valves lift and emit a steam plume. Yes, happens routinely during a plant trip. Is any of that a problem. No. Nuclear Plant Engineer.
It's better if you don't buy into the Reagan-era cliches. The GOP has pushed the 'government incompetent' line for decades in bad faith so that more money would go into their hands and the hands of their rich benefactors.
Lazy writing. We've had a "full-scale" nuclear meltdown of a US reactor at Three-Mile Island. Not one injury, let alone death. Only a few people on-site received anything greater than normal background radiation exposure; no one exceeded any federal exposure limits. The wind turbine debris on Martha's Vineyard last week did more harm than Three Mile Island.
@@DanKetchum007 Untrue. TMI experienced a nearly complete melt-down of one of its reactor cores. The melted fuel collected at the bottom of the reactor vessel. The primary piping and containment building prevented any release of harmful materials, exactly as it was designed to.
Oh look it's a guy on the internet deep-throating nuclear energy whilst still making sure he finds space to throw a quick jibe in the direction of renewables, I should definitely trust what he has to say 🤪
@@DanKetchum007 Major nuclear accidents even with large radioactive releases into the surrounding environment do not cause an area to become inhabitable. This is a very old mith that has been debunked million of times. Modern NPP are built with a containment structure that can withstand the impact of a fully loaded B747. Chernobyl NPP was not built with a containment structure, and when the accident happened there was an uncontrolled release of radioactive material. Even though that was the worst nuclear accident in history the area is not inhabitable at all, as the plant continued running without problems untile december 2000's, when the German Government paid billions to Ukraine to close the plant. Chernobyl is the second most visited location after Kyiv, the nation's capital. Also, it is important to note that the chernobyl's area is home to an immense presence of biodiversity, as it is in fact the most biodiverse place in europe.
"Every level of government is working together on this, no matter what happens, we are going to handle this" Translation We are from the government and we are here to help. ((*SHIVERS*))
@@tomscott4438 Oh, I don't know, maybe the trained HazMat teams, The Nuclear Engineers, and the Plant personnel who know the reactor. Let's face it, all the politicians are going to do is go there and ask.."Are they done yet?" and then pose for some pictures. Besides, It was a joke.
@@tomscott4438 You want Pacific Gas and Electric handling an evacuation of 42,000 people? They would have just let the town sit there while they got covered in vented radioactive steam and said it was just water. Companies are vastly more corrupt than governments. Companies are the ones who put the corruption in government there in the first place.
@@f.r.wilson7603 Who paid for the training and the equipment of that Hazmat team? Are the plant employees authorized to evacuate the entire population of the affected area? Does the company that owns the nuclear power plant have at its disposal the firefighting and emergency infrastructure that might be necessary in the course of dealing with this situation?
"Sounds like they're more comfortable with fifteen miles."
Bartlett: 😐
Its always easier to use the minimum parameters when someone else is at risk.
10, 15, or 400 miles won’t mean shit if the core ruptures. You’ve got about 5 years to live…
Originally they meant to only create a three mile island around the plant but thought it sounded bad, so they went for 10 and then 15... :D
Count on state employees to do the absolute minimum work required.
This was Vinnick's October surprise.
There should be some playlist somewhere that, if all the clips are played in order, will show every episode of THE WEST WING in order.
To quote Jean-Luc Picard, "Make it so." ✅
@@dexterpoindexter3583 TJWParso did it for TNG man!
Did anyone catch future academy award winner J.K. Simmons in that very minor supporting role?
He has a notable role in this episode
a competant well spoken, clear statement, from a commander in chief.. who is quick to acton and knows waht he is doing.
that would be nice wouldn't it.
Get some new material comrade, you’re still using the 2020 trollbot handbook
@@untexan not russian, or communist, dude! just voicing an opinion.
@@untexani guess the new material is: anyone who likes articulate, competent people is a communist troll
Yep. Keeping that in mind for November. We need a leader who is articulate, informed, and willing to listen to the experts.
"Mr. President, why does your map of possible nuclear radiation have extra circles drawn with a sharpie?"
Ohhh, this is where Cave Johnson went after his time at Aperture!
Would hate to know what would've happened if he saw the nukes and thought about the lemons again...
@@BiTheBooks 💀
“The lab boys say there was an unanticipated fission surplus”
Most unrealistic part of this is Will asking CJ, 15 down? Will Bailey the Air Force Reserve (Lieutenant?) and son of Supreme Allied Military Commander asking CJ 15 down? Ya right. Post Sorkin years
W/ sorkin they used secretaries and randoms to explain things to the audience, post sorkin they didn't have the imagination to do anything else but make smart people act stupid
Why would he have to 5:03 know that? That’s a civilian issue. He would be told where to move people. He might not know what that meant. Would the military know every aspect of civilian coding or vice versa?
Plus he’s reserve not full time military so I don’t know how far they would be briefed on things like that. Especially as he’s part of the Jag Corps if I remember rightly.
My first thought too when i saw that. I was like "Isn't he a military guy? He should know that.".
There was an episode when Air Force One got a fighter escort and Lt. Will USAF called it a F-16 Falcon. The image they used was clearly a F-15 Eagle. Of course that could just be post-production selecting the wrong image to insert into the blue screen. th-cam.com/video/LsGSwhmjpPE/w-d-xo.html
This is a very funny complaint that looks at the Sorkin years with only the rosiest of rose colored glasses (and I love the Sorkin years!). Remember when CJ Craig, the highly competent White House Press Secretary needed the speech writer to tell her what the census was? That was embarrassing. Remember in fellow Sorkin production The Newsroom when they dedicated a whole scene to MacKenzie McHale, reporter extraordinaire, sitting down like a disappointing school child so that she could have the broad notion of "The Economy" explained to her?
Those examples are especially egregious compared to this minor one with Will because I can think of three reasons off the top of my head why Will might ask this question.
1) Will is not a pilot, combat specialist, or evacuation specialist. He is a reservist attached to the JAG corp. i.e., he's a USAF Lawyer, on some weekends. Not exactly the guy I'd most expect to know this lingo off the top of his head.
2) Will and his father don't honestly seem that close. They may not have spoke of his work often, this terminology might not have been passed to him that way.
3) Will might actually KNOW the term, but in a different context. He might be responsibly asking for clarification so he knows he's understanding it correctly in this context.
Anyway, the Sorkin years were undoubtabley better than the Post-Sorkin years, but this specific line/quibble is not indicative of the drop in quality.
This was a time before internet on mobile phones, Josh:" get me a laptop" Seems strange nowdays...
It was 2006, only the year before the iPhone launched. Internet on smartphones was definitely a thing back then (Blackberry, Symbian, Palm OS, Windows Mobile, etc.), but it wasn't really the "desktop browser experience" that iPhone and Android promised.
@@guspaz True. However most people did not have Blackberrys. That was mostly businessmen, lawyers, a few doctors, etc. Back then, a Blackberry was a like a car phone was in the 1980's.
@@retroguy9494I remember a moment on when Charlie wanted a VHS player or Tape or something?
@@Andrew_Waples LOL Yes he did. When he thought he was going to get a refund on his taxes but Bartlet's economic stimulus check the year before had Charlie owing the IRS instead! 😂
In the end, President Bartlet bought him the DVD player.
@@retroguy9494 DVD player.
The West Wing: There's been a nuclear accident.☹️
Also The West Wing: 4:53 Happy time!🥳
'A' valve failed? Then everything is okay. BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE THAN ONE. Three Mile Island's main problem was that they shut off the water flow, not just the malfunctioning equipment. Also, fuel rods don't become combustible because they are exposed to air. They just heat up and start melting. Hence the term MELTDOWN. This wasn't secret information when they made this and they could have kept up the 'tenseness' of the situation even if they made it more plausible.
Sorkin can retire....we have a genius in our midst
@@Badonicus oh wow. you think you are really smart. Basic nuclear physics is SOOOO hard for a writer to look into? Doesn't take a genius to point out why stupid talk about nuclear power makes people afraid of it.
@@tervalas Nobody actually cares about the nuclear physics. It's good writing.
it's the same reason the first couple of Fast and the Furious movies are full of unrealistic/inaccurate car talk, even though they had a car expert on the payroll (Craig Lieberman): technically accurate but boring details don't make for good dialogue
@@tervalasMaking people afraid of nuclear power may have been the liberal screenwriters plan, even subconsciously. It also means that the Matt Santos Miracle has another Deus ex Machina, this one to make the Republican candidate lose votes in California, his home state.
Man did they shoehorn Kate into a lot of scenes where someone from the NSA would not be involved
with Josh gone on the Santos train. Leo replaced as WHCOS and Toby under indictment by now, the white house was running on fumes and putting any recogniseable face on screen helped i guess.
NSC, but yeah. Good actress, dumb role.
oh are you an expert on the NSA and Presidential briefings????
The Kate Harper character was not with the NSA in the show, her title was the Deputy National Security Advisor under Nancy McNally. The real life comparison of people who have served in this role prior to being more well known in government/military would be Alexander Haig, Brent Scowcroft, Colin Powell, and Robert Gates. Much like "Commander Kate Harper", Haig, Scowcroft, and Powell all served in the role while remaining on active military service.
Actually, the NSA is involved in everything. I don't think it's unrealistic.
You don’t want to notify the public until there’s a plan in place
There is already one held by the NPP and the NRC. All nuclear power plants are required to keep one if evacuations are required.
That said I wonder if this episode was trying to emulate President Carter with Three Mile Island given Carter was with the nuclear navy prior and had more of a clue on nuclear reactors than most of the NRC at the time (I believe the NRC reforms also kicked off after that episode)
Which then leads to the point if they cant get the back up pumps running then they are left with the absolute last resort; flood the reactor with sea water out of the Pacific.
It will kill the reaction in the core and absorb the radiation but also kill the reactor itself permanently
NOT far from the town of Ja Jolla 😢
Nothing would surprise me, this week.
The described accident scenario is totally unrealistic. There is not a single valve that could fail, nor even several, that could lead to a meltdown. The California Nuclear Plants all have multiple systems with backup equipment to prevent a nuclear meltdown.
Even if there is a meltdown the radiation is contained within the primary coolant system, and if that fails within the containment building (there are 3 distinct levels of containment to prevent a radiation release to the public).
Furthermore, the plants and the counties around them have full emergency staffs to handle all emergencies - even if everything fails and somehow a major hole is blown in the containment building. There is no need to dispatch major support from anywhere, not for days (if the plant goes on emergency diesels they will need diesel fuel after a week).
After Three Mile Island all nuclear power plants in the USA installed multiple trains of level monitoring equipment to see the steam bubble and uncovered core problem that occurred at Three Mile Island; and there are multiple ways to add water to the reactor in such a situation.
Now could the plant trip off line. Yes. That happens all the time. Does the Main Steam Safety valves lift and emit a steam plume. Yes, happens routinely during a plant trip. Is any of that a problem. No.
Nuclear Plant Engineer.
One of the last great episodes of this show
For factual accuracy on processes, procedures, and physics, the episode makes Armageddon look like a prize winning documentary.
I heard about the earthquake' You don't check the USGS?
"Could Be"
I haerd about the earthquake today, but not any nuclear plant.
I just cannot imagine either Trump or Harris being able to handle something like this so...president-like.
It was San Andreo's fault.
It was Vinnick's as well. He rushed its construction. Apparently he learned nothing from Chernobyl and Three Mile.
@@rudyjuarez4535 the joke went over your head, i think
Ba *dum* tiss
Typical yank, always trying to palm the blame off onto some poor Mexican 😀
It wasn't San Andreas' fault, it was yours for building it there in the first place!
©The Pub Landlord 😜
Is there any fracking nearby?
I really like this show, but CJ doing techno babble is some of the most cringy lines I have ever heard.
The real one is 47 years old now and the trash curling of people are still lying and stealing
3:00 Oh well, what does it matter now? Corporate greed, as usual....
Sorry I cant take Bradley Whitford seriously in any roles, he is always going to be Eric Gordon in Billy Madison to me
And Toby is always the train driver in Speed. Actors can only do one thing, because viewers are dumb.
"Every level of government is working together on this..." Not reassuring words.
It's better if you don't buy into the Reagan-era cliches. The GOP has pushed the 'government incompetent' line for decades in bad faith so that more money would go into their hands and the hands of their rich benefactors.
Is it me that an actor could do a better job than either of the real candidates
its easy to do a good job when the outcome is already written and all you have to do is read the script
In a crisis situation? One more than the other.
Lazy writing. We've had a "full-scale" nuclear meltdown of a US reactor at Three-Mile Island. Not one injury, let alone death. Only a few people on-site received anything greater than normal background radiation exposure; no one exceeded any federal exposure limits. The wind turbine debris on Martha's Vineyard last week did more harm than Three Mile Island.
No, we did not have a full scale meltdown at 3 Mile Island. If that had happened, the area would be uninhabitable.
@@DanKetchum007 Untrue. TMI experienced a nearly complete melt-down of one of its reactor cores. The melted fuel collected at the bottom of the reactor vessel. The primary piping and containment building prevented any release of harmful materials, exactly as it was designed to.
Oh look it's a guy on the internet deep-throating nuclear energy whilst still making sure he finds space to throw a quick jibe in the direction of renewables, I should definitely trust what he has to say 🤪
And if you believe that, wait until you hear about the moon landing!
@@DanKetchum007 Major nuclear accidents even with large radioactive releases into the surrounding environment do not cause an area to become inhabitable. This is a very old mith that has been debunked million of times. Modern NPP are built with a containment structure that can withstand the impact of a fully loaded B747. Chernobyl NPP was not built with a containment structure, and when the accident happened there was an uncontrolled release of radioactive material. Even though that was the worst nuclear accident in history the area is not inhabitable at all, as the plant continued running without problems untile december 2000's, when the German Government paid billions to Ukraine to close the plant. Chernobyl is the second most visited location after Kyiv, the nation's capital. Also, it is important to note that the chernobyl's area is home to an immense presence of biodiversity, as it is in fact the most biodiverse place in europe.
"Every level of government is working together on this, no matter what happens, we are going to handle this"
Translation
We are from the government and we are here to help. ((*SHIVERS*))
It's a really peculiar brain bubble in the minds of stupid people where the government doing things is being seen as a bad thing.
Ok, let's say this happened in real life. Who do YOU want to handle it?
@@tomscott4438 Oh, I don't know, maybe the trained HazMat teams, The Nuclear Engineers, and the Plant personnel who know the reactor. Let's face it, all the politicians are going to do is go there and ask.."Are they done yet?" and then pose for some pictures.
Besides, It was a joke.
@@tomscott4438 You want Pacific Gas and Electric handling an evacuation of 42,000 people? They would have just let the town sit there while they got covered in vented radioactive steam and said it was just water. Companies are vastly more corrupt than governments. Companies are the ones who put the corruption in government there in the first place.
@@f.r.wilson7603 Who paid for the training and the equipment of that Hazmat team? Are the plant employees authorized to evacuate the entire population of the affected area? Does the company that owns the nuclear power plant have at its disposal the firefighting and emergency infrastructure that might be necessary in the course of dealing with this situation?
First
To what end?