LAURYN HILL AIN'T THE GOAT
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- The cultural force with those heavenly octaves who crafted timeless music that spoke to men and women worldwide left us over 20 years ago, replaced by a reclusive enigma who occasionally pops up to deliver more questions than quality. And as uncomfortable as it is to say, as much as I wish it was different, I’m not saying Lauryn Hill wasn’t the greatest female emcee ever. But I can’t say she is the greatest.
Video By: Justin Hunte
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I hate how you got your own channel with little to no promotion from the one you branched out from. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the massive drop in views. That isn't because of your content, it's because people don't know where you went. It took me like 3 months before I found you again lmao I thought you quit
This belongs in the hundred thousands
Bob Pickleson 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Same here man
I agree 100% with this sentiment.
Bob Pickleson maybe now you should share now that you know where he's at? Instead of complaining. Just food for thought.
Slow down tough guy. I wasn't trying to be insulting. I was just stating share his videos and channel since you now know about it, if you're a fan so he can gain momentum.It's the people who make things blow up, so it *IS* your responsibility to at least spread the word. Don't be an internet thug...
Not gonna lie Justin, that title is some fighting words bruh 😡👊🏾😂😂
Only Justin will call Biggie & Lauryn non-GOATs, and still make some good ass cases for it. You can't even be mad at him.
Yea he gone have to fight me 😒💪🏾
😂😂
The score is great and miseducation is probably the best album of 1998 but she didn’t give a lot of people credit she’s hella insecure and wanted everyone to think she produced the whole record herself
It’s true truth
That steered souls and shook asses simultaneously lmaooo that's too hard
*Lauryn Hill is like Biggie, not a lot of material(music), but a very impactful body of work. BOTH are the GOATs.*
Frankie Russell both are gemini
Frankie Russell I agree that they are similar in not having material. They are both removed from my top lists for that reason though. So we half agree. Which is pretty good percentage wise.
Get a grip, stupid. She blows.
The only difference is biggie died, lauryn is a flash in the pan basically. I personally think she was never as talented as people thought. She should never be put on top of any lists, period
+Alexander Hicks she did give credit for her music to a good team of pr producers and others
For the record. I saw Nas and LH live a few months ago in Vancouver. and she did absolutely AMAZING. I knew before I went about her shitty show performances. so I didnt expect much. but damn she blew the roof of the place. The encore when Nas and LH came back out after 20 minutes of chanting was insane. For me; I just started listening to LH a few years ago and when i was off the hype of The Score, I discovered The MEOLH, then when I was done hypin about that classic album She came to my city. and blew me away One amazing thing after another for me. and her legacy still stands. GOAT
Missy Elliot is underrated when talking about female rappers. She's probably one of out a handful who didn't get big based off of her looks, and made some pretty big songs in her time.
She didn't have crazy bars, but bought a different image into the female rap game. That you didn't have to be pretty in the face or show some cleavage, as long as you make some good music.
And she produced for so many other people, too. Incredible.
Nah man, Missy has mad bars. So many dope lyrics they'd need a whole series of videos.
NoQualmsTheArtist mc elliot is not an mc. She does not have bars. She has catchy music.
Will you do a GOAT video on Missy then?
IDK how many times I have quoted her, she is great.
YOU AINT GOT THE ANSWERS SWAY
Ironic framing to have the score cover in the background. Lauryn is looking at Justin with so much side eye LOL
She's still the goat until somebody makes something better than miseducation.
Flyy Science A legend yes.. but the GOAT not so sure. That's acknowledging that miseducation is songs in the key of life gamechanging.
can you name me something that's better than miseducation? (in context)
I'm speaking all hip hop, genderless. In the realm of men and women. People with consistent bodies of work spanning years. The Jay-z, outkasts, Kendricks, drakes, missy. If you are speaking just females, she is a legend, but folks like MC Lyte, salt n pepa, tlc had longer runs and were just as influential. If an artist makes one masterpiece, does it make them better than artists that make many exceptional albums?
none of the ladies you mentioned produced a full body of work that have the impact of miseducation (plus salt n pepa and tlc are groups). There are different goats, and if we're talking about solo women rap artists, it's hands down Lauryn
Flyy Science I think we are.having a miscommunication about miseducation. In the realm of females she is in the convo, but GOAT to me should be genderless, raceless, but that's just my opinion. Regardless, she is a legend.
"Settled the score" I see what you did there lol
How about something on Slick Rick, going to jail, could've been the greatest, and how "Da Art Of Storytelling" is a classic underrated album
Douglas Jones great idea!!!
Douglas Jones it sure is
maybe a get a mention or shout out on this one lol
Even though his second album was a flop compared to his debut. I always liked That album better than the first.
Great video Justin. Lauryn definitely ran everybody else's pockets on The Score, miseducation is undeniable but you make a very very good case for her failings. S/o to Rapsody though, she's an up and coming female MC and she is crushing it. Her grammy nod was a bit of a shock but it was not undeserved and it is the pretense for very exciting things in the future.
raposdy dope Awesome lyricism goat
Rapsody is still underrated and it kills meeeee
Why was her Grammy as shock 🤔 that album so over 18 million what you talking about. 😂🤦🏽♀️
If she’d died she’d definitely be in GOAT conversations. Is a bad career post peak better than no career post peak?
She's in the convo. In her prime, she was an excellent rapper and singer with a blockbuster movie. All her works are still revered today and despite her bad reputation, people still flock to see her. No other female artists that have made it big are in her lane. She was always beautiful but wasn't relying on selling sex; the talent carried her.
"It's better to burn out than to fade away."
Her feature on nobody is fire
I'm sad the Lauryn Hill I fell in love with when I heard "Ready Or Not" on the radio has fallen off this way... Her legacy lives on, though, and I'm really glad more female MCs like Rapsody, Snow Tha Product and Lady Leshurr are picking that torch up and setting it ablaze again.
Love Rap, snow, and Leshurr... Incredible.
Rapsody's last album whooee. Rollercoaster love! I think we will see more great female artists in hip hop. I thought the next GOAT was gonna be Azealia Banks, but then she lawst her damn mind.
Exaaaaactly dude, all the beefing with everyone just made me turn away. Her music still fire tho. These days I'm getting a lot into UK Hip Hop, specially the females. It's just so fresh You should definitely check out Lady Leshurr and Lady Lykez's Fire in the Booth.
I agree on Rhapsody but the latter uhhhhhhhhh..........that is to be discussed.
Missy is probably the g.o.a.t after you take everything into account. Bars, impact & influence. Went to see Lauryn Hill and Nas here in the dmv area last summer. When she got on stage I went to the bathroom. She was still performing when I got back, so I went to get pizza.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Unkle Twann lmao that's fucked up
seen her in dublin lreland she played all her new music the whole time, crowd wasnt to happy
Missy is not the goat. You have to be lyrically great along with all the other things (content, flow, creativity, consistency, etc.) Missy is NOT a lyricist.
Nia R. Missy is a goat in her own right.. everybody has things they thrive in... Tupac wasn’t the most lyrical with technicalities but still considered a goat bc of his impact and people loved his voice.
This kinda broke my heart.
Me too.
Man, if Justin did this for Lauryn, imagine when he drops the Lupe funk flex bomb
#Lupe... another Air sun sign! Justin, please don't make us think that some [hidden entity] wrote you a covert check to GO AT only the Air signs [they reportedly HaTE those] and or the most Righteous artists.
I was mad at the title at first, but when you broke it down, I agree with you in a way.
Monev360
He's right tho...
Lauryn Hill was great in the 90's... but after that she really fell off unfortunately...
Why? You really though she was the GOAT? Lol
Unplugged is a classic , y’all illin
a chicken company Thank you smh
@@peerce8364 she was ahead of her time!
SHE HAD HEART something the industry lacks. Most of the stuff she says in her music/ interviews will go over peoples heads simply because they havent freed they mind. She said it multiple times and ill say it for her again LOVE /OPEN UP . STOP BEING CONTROLLED BY YOUR THOGHTS. once you master the mind there's no LIMITS!
I loved how raw that album was, she never gave a fuck about them sells it was about the MESSAGE.
Respect the analysis as always, but I gotta disagree with this. When you see this woman live in concert (though rarer an occasion than it should be) everything that counts her out melts away. She is an amazing musician and to me has a legitimate claim at being the best.
SG good points, but you haven't even watched the video yet
SG Im sorry you can't release one album and be call the greatest, when her contemporaries have released more albums that we can judge them by. Also, The Score doesn't count, thats a Fugees album.
Of course I haven't watched the whole thing yet, still in the process of doing that, but I skimmed through the video (maybe not desirable but wanted to start a discussion early in the comments!) With further knowledge of the video, I'd also like to say that though Lauryn sometimes does not deliver at live shows, doesn't show, is on drugs or in some altered state, when she delivers she delivers. This isn't an egregious video at all, but I disagree with the thesis I guess.
And yet Justin Hunte has released a video arguing for 3 Stacks to be the goat when he arguably hasnt released an album at all! And by your standards Southernplayalistic->Idlewild dont count because they're "Outkast" albums.
Her singing was a lot more powerful than her actual rapping, she's not the GOAT rapper, I do love her tho
Lauryn Hill is like Slick Rick. She doesn't have a huge discography but at the time she hit there was nothing like her. Like Rick, she has IMPACT. Until someone comes along with her unique skill set, Her spot is safe.
Lauryn Hill is the greatest female MC of all time, in fact she’s at least top ten all time regardless of gender
Nah, only one album.. overrated
Lauryn Hill is a G.O.A.T. among the G.O.A.T.S. However she has lost her momentum in the game. She grew out of it!!!!
Ahmad B Muhammad she thought she was too good for the culture imo
Zak Boardman
-False.
She thought she was too much for the shady industry. Couldn't continue being dictated to by foul people with foul agenda's. She said that herself the minute she disappeared.
I'm with you!
@Dre Hardin. Yes! U are a Thinker! Be mindful...it's believe that there's a hidden committee that's on a Mission to obliterate ALL of our Luminaries' legacies--dead or alive. And respected journalists may net covert $$ to facilitate this ill-desire. Not saying Justin here, per se`.
But keep your ears/eyes open... do the math... one by one, ours', ONLY our greats are defamed in some way. Look at HOW they did #Tupac, posthumously....and got FatMasterFlex to help. Let me stop...yes, he lost some weight. sigh.
She had ghostwriters. She was a fraud
THE SCORE IS AMAZING!!
the socer favorite group album
I would do anything to have Lauryn come back with one more classic. Imagine what she would sound like if she was on Kendrick's To Pimp a Butterfly. God damn!!!
Personally, id rather hear her with the roots or Outkast.
In rap, what really matters more?
Having a good batting average or just the amount of good albums you made?
Be honest
Either, Or... but Lauryn's batting 50/50. That's not great for rap.
@James B.: answer: Being honest. Being righteous in rap. And Ms. Hill has done *that* ten-fold!
Seyi Ajayi I don’t just talk about hip hop
Seyi Ajayi she lied about writing and producing miseducation. So... no.
l think the message thats in your music is most important thats why pac abd lauryn are worldwide there easy to relate to
What's crazy is even with all the lows in her career and the lack of output over the past 20 years, Lauryn Hill is still in the conversation. That alone puts her at GOAT status.
Too bad she didn't write the music for it
@@Yourbankaccount She wrote the rhymes though
"I wish her heart still was in rhyming"
- Kanye West on Lauryn Hill, 2007.
I been uninspired since Lauryn Hill retired..." - also Kanye, 2016
Who the kids gonna listen to?
@@lopezdube9043 I guess me if it isn't you. Last week I paid a visit to the institute they got dropout keeping kids in the school.
What happened to the questions you dont have answers for?
Got this answer.
He gives them to Jude who comes up with his own psychedelic fucked up answer!
I love unplugged its dope shes still the goat but rapsody is coming up she makes 4 lailas wisdoms she will take the title
Bruce Miller you speak that truth bruh!
Bruce Miller me too people just didn't listen or plain and simply didn't get unplugged
Rapsody and ILL Camille are both strong contenders to the Lauryn stage.
That album is classic! I still listen to it.
Yo did you see how frustrated Justin looked when he was summarizing? You could tell he was heart broken.
One thing is for sure, Justin's T-Shirt game is the only thing that's G.O.A.T. level, no doubt.
I'm just gonna be honest and say that I truly feel some type of way about this video. It hurts. It really does because The Score was the first album I ever bought with my own money. That album, that group (and especially Lauryn), are near and special to my heart. Still, this was an interesting video that made some good points.
Side Note: Lauryn's MTV Unplugged album is legendary in its own rite. She might have played the same 3 chords, but I have never seen anyone give their all in an Unplugged performance the way that woman did on that stage. And if Kanye felt it good enough to sample a song from that album and create his own classic , then it's legendary as far as I'm concerned.
CzarJuliusIII unplugged crew is here in the comments..everyone is entitled to their opinions but I hate to hear people say unplugged was a flop..maybe commercially but it is one of my favorite albums
Chief KolAss Thank you man. It was definitely a commercial flop not because it was bad, but because it failed to appeal to the mind of the basic bitch. People still don't understand that the point of the album was that it was NOT supposed to have mass appeal. the subject matter tackled in that album was some real shit and Lauryn was genuine with it. She was basically pouring out her heart. I think since its release it has been the "popular" thing to trash the album, and that's why to this day it has never gotten its just due.
CzarJuliusIII it's always great to know I'm not the only one who got it...I appreciate your comment
Unplugged has some of the best bars I’ve heard come out of any emcees mouth period. People that got caught up in the simplicity of the guitar playing clearly missed out on the lyricism that held it all together.
Yes he sampled it but Syleena Johnson ended up singing it on the record so Lauren hill is not on it.
Her Unplugged album is sooo slept on but it is a dope piece of work.
Her voice was broken during unplugged. She was trash live in 2017 too. So sad. We were all "hundreds of people" in the parking lot early all sad and frustrated.
There are a lot of artists that don't think about taking care of their voice in their 20s and have ruined their voice in their 30s.
Unplugged was awesome if you just listen to it, and stop judging it. It is indeed a classic. Not to many contemporary albums out of that ilk. It's music stripped down to the bare soul and she did an amazing job...The rest of y'all can kick rocks.
Man i saw Lauryn Hill play in 2014 at Electric Forest Festival. She played two sets, the first being a solo set consisting of her catalog. While the music was a lot more instumentally focused then simply having a DJ on stage, with a full band playing her songs with a funk/jam band style of performance. It was awesome, i personally loved the rock oriented sound she went with. Then later that night, she performed a set with jam band String Cheese Incident, which was quite possibly the best concert ive ever seen. They did reggae covers, rock covers, as well as jam-based covers of her own catalog. It was unbelievable. Best show ive ever seen, and I saw Prince. She definitely still has it in her to perform top notch, i just think her own personal demons prevent her from doing so regularly.
Keep blowing up man. Saturday's have gotten better
Rapsody can become goat status her bars are on that level. She's my favorite female mc rn. Great vid, sucks to see such a dope artist break down like that.
Ever thought about doin a breakdown with Underground Rap as a topic? Idk how right now but that would be an interesting watch.
Love the channel dawg.
Good video as always! I don't agree with your point about other female MCs selling sex to make it big however. Nor do I agree with the implied dichotomy between a woman being conscious and being sexual. Women were merely much else but props in hip hop before the likes of Lil Kim and Foxy Brown. They pushed boundaries by rapping about their sexualities from their own perspectives and they spit things on wax which women really weren't "allowed" to say in public without being branded hoes (which is still somewhat the case today). Sounds pretty conscious to me. Meanwhile Lauryn Hill bought in to the more traditional role assigned to women, used "slut shaming" and so on - no disrespect.
I couldn't agree more Justin. I like to think that the GOAT will never truly exist as long as Hip-Hop always exists. To name a GOAT is not fair to the possible future artists who may blow us away more than the Kendricks, the Eminems, Biggies, and Tupacs of today. I choose to call them the GOTE. Greatest.of.That.Era. which Lauryn Hill truly was.
Ghost Andretti same. I mean I’m The GOAT 😏, but when it comes to great cultures that last long, there are goats of each generation and decade imo.
I disagree. Someone else has to come along, make his or her stake, and take the Crown. That's in every field and/or Genre.
Ghost Andretti I like how you put that...there is no hands down GOAT
Ghost Andretti GOATS
You're spot as always, you cant deny lauryn ain't the goat. I think the only real contender for the female goat is MISSY E. (you know why!) anyway please do a papoose video and keep up the good work
Hey Justin Can you please (or someone)tell me all the albums on the wall behind you, I want to give them all a listen, I know and have herd some but don’t know all of them, and how did you choose those particular albums? Are they just your favourites? Or something else? Cheers
Redman - dare iz a darkside
Kanye - College Dropout
Mos Def - Black on Both Sides
Madvillain - Madvillainy
Lupe Fiasco - Food and Liquor
Biggie - Life after Death
Fugees - The Score
Common - Be
Ghostface - Fishscale
Tribe Called Quest - Midnight Marauders
Outkast - Aquemini
Eric B & Rakim - Paid in Full
Outkast - Love Below/Speakerboxxx
Gerrit Boris you forgot
Jay Z - Blueprint
The roots - the tipping point
And snoop dogg - doggystyle
It's dark and hell is hot-DMX
All eyez on me-2pac
E.1999 eternal-bone thugs n harmony
Below the heavwns-blu & exile
The good sun-homeboy sandman
(Someone please tell me the very top right one next to the good sun, still can't find it thanks)
You also forgot
Aquemini-outkast
The slim shady LP-eminem
De la soul Bionix farthest top right
Despite this breakdown...
I still LOVE MS HILL!!!
I love this channel, honestly deserves more views/subs
I watch every week your insight into the industry is not only illuminating but a refreshing bit of journalism. Keep it up!
Erykah Badu they both Sing they both rap and Ericka’s catalog is very long todate
John Carr hmmm i love them both but Hill were way more versatile ..
John Carr
Lauryn ruined herself. Erykah ruined 3 stacks; that's a one way ticket to hell.
The Million Man Movement We’re talking goats in Missy Elliott is the only one on that list but she doesn’t trump Erykah Badu Or Lauren Hill
Yeah but where talking goats Missy Elliott is the only one on that list but she does not trump Erykah Badu or Lauryn Hill
Maglore Saleh negative if you look at Lauryn Hill catalog versus listening to Erykah Badu’s catalog I think you will take that statement back
I usually stop what I’m doing whenever i see you post a video. Not only is the content good and I always learn something new but there’s also little hidden gems (like the Chris rock I take care of my kids snippet that fit so perfectly) keep up the good work‼️
So brutal, but I can't really argue it.
I however flippin loved her Unplugged album. It got to my soul.
She is my Tia forever!
Great piece... It's unfortunate there hasn't been another mainstream, successful female emcee that has matched Lauren's lyrical abilities ... However, I would have to vote for Bahamadia... No real commercial success but lyrically, untouchable and I never heard of her having a ghost writer like MC Lyte or Queen Latifah... Though I luv those females, too... More people need to look into Bahamadia and recognize her greatness as an emcee...IJS!!!
Jadiey Clarke rapsody is on the rise
Len Walker I agree, she is on the rise but she's not there yet... Even with her Grammy nom... I really hope in the near future we see a female emcee lead the charge for rap, especially one that can keep her clothes on and actually sell her vernacular, like the majority of the men...I'm definitely rooting for Rapsody, tho... I just have an old soul and I grew up in Philly, so I'm still partial to Bahamadia... plus, she's still putting out music and lyrically she's still 🔥🔥🔥...
bahamadia all n everyday is the goat
I have never commented on any TH-cam video... ever.
I must say I truly appreciate your take on this topic and while I don’t agree, I understand. Lauren Hill is in my top 5 despite what happened after “miss education.” To date no female rapper comes close... well... 3 the hard way and and ladybug are definitely in the running, but how many albums can you slap from front to back without skipping a track. Lauren Hill is and always will be a goat. To date nothing comes close to “the score,” and “miss education” the 90’s would have sucked without her.
L7bizz1 well said, L. And thanks for honoring us with your first comment!! 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿 humbled.
Man, I was so happy when I found out you are still around, doing breakdowns! Took me a while to find out about, though. Best of Luck, Mister Company Man.
Michael Stiller thank you!
One thing I feel you missed in this is her IMPACT! To this day I see post's and memes saying we need more Lauryn's and less Nicki's or so and so. The fact we haven't seen anything like her since her probably accept Rapsody says a mouthful, that means over a decade we still crave her soul food and miss it and that says a lot I see you're about your stats and that's cool but think about it man is being the 🐐 all about stats or impact?
Glad you made this video Justin. Love your delivery and thought processes. Much love
So I was late getting into real hip hop. I always had a respect for it, but it was never my core genre. However, now I am a massive hip hop fan- I love rap & I love that this genre has people like you explaining what it’s been through the times, I love how you break things down like a modern hip hop historian. Punk died because we couldn’t do what now hip hop has. We couldn’t make it a universal genre. You are doing a really special thing, thanks for teaching me about this poetic culture, I’ve truly became enamored with it 👏🏻💯 You kick ass, that’s all I got to say 😂🤷🏼♀️💁🏼
Justin any plans for Nas video? Or are you waiting for the new album to drop?
great video, 26 Lauryn Hill stans so far
Noname will be considered in a decade. Mark my words!
Francis Gabriel-Alexandre damn straight Noname is fucking dope!
All the Hail the Goat among Goats, there is always room at the top. Goats come they conquer and they move on...one love. She been to the mountaintop and has shown the way. Because of this all others can rise higher...busting through the way Lauryn did left all questions answered - straight finesse! Whoever you name I welcome enter to Goatdom. Please pay your respect to Mother Hill she took the bullet so we could advance forward my Sister and we broke her spirit. Retirement is not just a game for others. Forty years later and up and coming came G.O.A.T.S. and my Sister is still on the circuit we should be shame because the magnitude of gift to us demand that we care for her and her children. There should be no women, hip hop or music bar none that we don't have a table on high where we honor our warriors. War is hell - some die some come home disabled - Lauryn Lived are we saying that's The Misfortune of Lauryn Hill.
The first one where you have the answers to these questions?
Hahaha dammit I was just about to say that
Hahahahaha, I was about to say this until I remember he did have the answer on the Biggie breakdown.
Some call her the best female in hip-hop, but her only solo album consist of more singing than rapping
Yep. And the other one kinda sucked.
Singing definitely became a part of hip hop though, it isn’t the 80s anymore! Atleast that’s what I think off it.
Finally. I need more Company Man! Where you been at Justin? Shout out from the land down under.
@thecompanyman do you consider Andre 3000’s The Love Below a rap album?
Thank you for being honest. As much as we the hip hop community love Lauryn Hill we try to neglect the failures and disappointments. We never got proper closure and we never got a decent follow up.
Yeah but 3 stacks don't got an album and you argued him to be the greatest great analysis but I'm going to have to disagree
A.J THE KID RAPPER Outkast has a ton of album, 3000 don't got a solo. He still has a big enough body of work cuz he was in a duo.
Northsyde I guess I can understand that but how can you be the greatest without a solo album and 3k is my favorite mc by the way
A.J THE KID RAPPER 3k has the love below tho. And outkast has a ton of albums. Not having a solo album is not a big deal tho imo.
Northsyde I can see where your coming from but can you see where I'm coming from where do you stand on this issue about Lauryn Hill I'd like to hear your points on whether or not she can be the greatest
A.J THE KID RAPPER her discography is way too short. 2 fugee album and 1 solo album isn't enough imo. Difference between them and Outkast, is that outakst has a big discography and is a duo while Fugees is a trio. Lauryn Hill is still amazing tho, she can sing like an rnb singer and spit bars. Talent wise she had potential to be goat, wish she dropped more work.
Lauren is top two Mc's hands down ...it's hill and lyte
Watch Lead lyte came first Lauryn was deeper..I love them both but if I have to choose I'm going L boogie
mc lyte? Are you serious or trolling?
Adhddhdh3 please keep in mind we are talking female rappers...with that being said yes lyte 2 Hill 1..my opinion my vote
Watch Lead ive said this for years
I guess we have to ask about peaks. you brought up her lows and the video was about Ms Hills incredible career. so I guess as far as the GOAT we have to ask if it's about longevity or if it's the highlights, or the peaks. I don't have the answers to these questions! Xp
awesome video like always, Lauryn Hill has a very special place in my heart and definalty influenced me as a person and in my music. so in the end the question has to be answered subjectively, so she is my GOAT.
Keep making amazing videos!
Great perspective, just got the chance to check this out. Glad I did. I’m excited to see your female GOAT Pick. I would go with either Missy or Queen Latifa. But as a great think has been known to say, I don’t have the answers to these questions.
The Company Man never fails to teach me something new while entertaining me. Great video, Justin.
That biggie bar was cold justin 😂
I've been following the Breakdown ever since DX, glad you still keep the work going and everywhere I wait anxiously for the next episode.
But now I would like to ask you something, on the Biggie ain't the GOAT you pointed Jay-Z's previous lack of subjects as something that kept him from being the GOAT, but how do you classify him now, after his catalog has become more diverse with the addition of "4:44"?
Is Jaz-Z the GOAT?
Incredible and much needed breakdown on Lauryn Hill. For a long time, I was waiting on her follow up just like a Jay Electronica or Detox. But in the end, you broke it down completely as to why she isn't the greatest anymore. We'll just have to play The Score and Miseducation. I'm only in my 20's but I'm starting to realize that the legacy artists I always enjoy rarely drop music big enough for the culture any more. I mean we're talking Lauryn Hill, Dr. Dre, Jay Electronica, and many more that have the talent to shift things in the music industry at large but almost refuse to do so. Sure we have Jay Z and Ye still going strong and newer artists like Kendrick and Cole along with many mainstay artists but it still feels like the music quality has been drastically sacrificed in quality when you compare music from today to the bar set between 1986-2006 for hip hop.
Another incredibly insightful and interesting episode!!! Damn you're on fire, you and Murs like the Pac and biggie of breakdowns ahaha
Also I've seen and read the Q&A you did on Reddit but it would be amazing if you do more via live streams or just asking questions in the comments!
I'm sure lots of interesting conversations could be sparked:)
oliver watson thanks Oliver! I’m gonna definitely start doing more.
Lauryn Hill, definitely was and is still a GOAT, but of what...cause she did more than spit fire. Her MisEducation album was really good, it has withstood the test of time like all great artists. Unfortunately, that was her peak, her testament to her ability. That's why it's on my nostalgic track.
*Sidenote:Nice GhostFace Killah piece in the back, no Inspectach Deck?
Glad you’re feeling good Justin! You right that new black panther soundtrack is fire! Schoolboy killed it on x. Also I would love to hear your thoughts on big KRITs latest project, easily my fav rap project dropped last year
Look forward to hearing from you every week Justin. You give a perspective on something I love (hip-hop) that is thought provoking and authentic. Keep it up homie. Many of us appreciate it
Thank you!!
RAKIM & NAS ARE THE GREATEST!
i agree and Rakim hasn't put out anything in a while... doesnt mske him less great
Unplugged was arguably her best work to me...it wasn't the main stream hit that many looked for..but it spoke volumes...it was an extremely beautiful look into the inside of her naked soul...most definitely one of my very favorite albums do to the lyrical content and raw vocals..it was both soft and hard exposing the inner being without fear of what people think..a true master piece
That album is art at its best. It's definitely a classic.
Haaz Bailey definitely one of my favorites...if you had to which of her albums would you choose?
"They just wanna use me. Say love, then abuse me.."_Get Out.....Timeless classic
Kinda goes back to the convo u had with DEHH. Do u think we would view her different if she quit making music after the Miseducation? Since the later project and singles sprinkled thoughout the years dont really live up to the album
Back to it my dude. You're passionate about many things, but when you talk about hip hop theory you seem the most passionate and that's why I started watching during the DX days. Thank you for everything
Mike O. Thank you sincerely, mike. I really appreciate you checking it out.
Disrespectful. Lauryn easily more of a GOAT than Biggie and that’s just factual
Duncan4Prez Spurs4Life
Why "disrespectful"?
Justin is kinda right tho!
She was great in the 90's, but after that she really fell off unfortunately...
Kev27RS doesn’t change the fact that she’s one of the greatest. The fact that she’s considered one of the GOATS of hip-hop with 1 album (and the score) is a testament to her talent. She could rly sing, rap, act, produce, write and had great stage presence. And let’s not forget she was a master of half of the things I just listed
She overrated
def not ive more respect for him from were he came from to were he got to
@@deonnelson9780 Typo, bro. I got you though. " Guyz, he ment UNDERrated, not OVERrated.
Wheres that Big Pun and Big L GOAT episode?
Big L really didn’t have the reach or the album that planted him as potentially the GOAT.
Freezepeach His bars are vicious. Get rappers hearts pumping like Reebok’s, every year I gain clout and my name sprouts. I’m not sure he ever would’ve earned his way into that upper echelon that carved its name into the granite but damn.... he sure sounded like he could’ve before he got gunned down.
Damian Torres We should really stop considering rappers with less than 2 solid, bonafide albums in the GOAT conversation. We are just diminishing the value of it. Granted there will ever be an outright GOAT because not everyone is everyone's cup of tea. I'm a Harlem dude and I actually was on my L throwback last week bumping his entire catalog all week long. He murdered Jay Z before "Eminem murdered you on your own shi". He was a beast as was Mr. Rios aka Pun. Why is saying J Cole is the GOAT right now would be laughable in a lot of circles? He's got two solid albums, but he's right now have "4 your eyez only" which critics bashed heavily. So that sees his GOAT stock took a plunge. Jude be saying about BIG's GOAT status, "he didn't have enough time to be wack". Meaning he wasn't around long enough to give us the project critics didn't like. Pun definitely would've had the mass appeal no doubt because his star was starting to shine and his personality was magnetic. He also had the lyrical prowess to keep the bars folks like myself satisfied and be in corporate America's living room. Big L would've been a challenge to clean up and suit and tie up, but he sure would've been eating MCs food and be the rapper other rappers know they don't want it with like Tariq Trotter from The Legendary Roots Crew. It's a shame we never got to witness what they might have become, but I wouldn't call them GOATs. Great piece Justin.
Like the video as always.. female rappers are always overlooked in the industry. I used to like Nicki Minaj in her old days, but once she went into more pop, i didnt feel the same.
But, Thank God we have Rapsody who's been killing it since her feature on TPAB and got Grammy nods by herself, and then, still have Snow Tha Product also. Hope Tink will make a good up and coming also, alongside with Princess Nokia and Lady Leshurr. I also still wait for Missy's comeback.
Can someone tell me which song that is in the background at 08:58 ??
Hot dog!
Been watching your show every week for a year and a half, shout-out to Murs he holds it down, but man do I love your presentation. Finally got to use your videos, and some of Murs', today as discussion points between a friend and I.
Finally a part of notification squad since I finally got a smartphone.
THANK YOU!!
Keep on rocking Mr Hunte!
Ooh shit. This is unexpected. Amazing video Justin; maybe a GOAT piece on Ghostface. Just saying lol.
ariiis2 I would have a strong argument that Ghost is too and if not ghost the RZA...I know the world would pick ghost over him but I would role with the underdog...to me they are one and two..Ghost got him on style..but the RZA is a fuckin genius..WuTang
Chief KolAss I would agree but as a producer. RZA had a four to five year run where he produced classics with the 36 chambers, the Wu solo albums, & the forever joint & they all sounded different but still had that Wu sound.
ariiis2 I here you as well but I'm not giving RZA points on his producing I truly appreciate his lyrics...production is a whole other entity...but I am WuTang bias..still my favorite group
I love GOAT pieces, they seem to ask the most questions, really gets you thinkin. I'd love to seen one done on the one and only Lupe Fiasco as there's lots of debate there with him sayin he wouldn'd dumb down his music on The Cool, but then dumbs down his music immediately after. He's got at least two classics with Food & Liquor and The Cool and I'd even argue that Tetsuo & Youth is a classic as well. Would love to see what you think.
always wanted to ask, what's the name of that statik selektah beat?
No matter what she's the nicest other than Rah Diggs from Jersey, I'm from Camden
When I have convos about who the goat is live performance is rarely talked about, so my question what does performances or personal issues have to do with the music? Ur considered to be goat becuz of ur musical talent not what u have going on in ur personal life. Rappers have felonies and all other types of ish going on yet we don't hold that against them in goat discussions. Regardless of ur personal life to me she's still greatest female emcee and in the discussion for all time
1. Live shows is part of musical talent. 2. If you have a 50/50 catalog, there's not much left to go on. Everything else is obvious. The Score and Miseducation are classic. No one knows Blunted on Reality. Unplugged is highly criticized. It's more interesting to me to explore the whys and what happened in cases like these. You don't need me to tell you miseducation is an R&B album and the score is amazing. But the catalog itself, is still 50/50.
You have a point. I jus feel like those 2 albums resonate so much that consideration is necessary, especially in the female arena.
Btw, thanks for the videos. I look forward to ur videos every Saturday. Love the questions u present and the convos it sparks. Keep it up!!!
MF Caveman 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Excellent piece my man. I could see it hurt you to do this one :D
As it hurt me to see her live in Spain Rototom sunsplash reggae festival (2013 or 14, its blurry, just want to forget it). It was SHOCKING how off she was in live performance. Contrast that to a childhood to adulthood time frame where I saw her as the personification of the perfect artist more or less.
Yo! I always love these joints. I feel like #thecompanyman like so many others are kinda poking at the queen's bed trying get her to wake up. We all feel like we lost a great artist, but this time that artist hasn't died. Probably another testament to just how great she was. One love to Justin. Keep doing your thing and one love to the crew that makes it all happen.
Kanye West GOAT piece now
Ali Chaudry Dre has 3 albums after 20 years. Sure, 2 classics and the other is dope imo, but he rarely puts out music.
Ali Chaudry i don't really see the hype about kanye. his music doesn't really stand out that much as far as overall feel.
cortez smith He changed the themes of hip hop with Graduation and changed the sounds of hip hop with 808s and Heartbreaks. I can't think of anyone else, other than Dre, who can claim that, and Kanye is much more consistent with albums (consistent as in how often). He also put out CD, LR, and MBDTF, which were all classics.
regirayquaza but that helped bring in auto tune, which killed hiphop
regirayquaza kanye just doesn't have that feel. its more of him being promoted by the media.
where the kanye goat piece at tho???
In the TRAAAAAAASH
It's safe to call Lauryn a G.O.A.T, longevity is not always what makes a person the greatest, it's their unmatched contribution to the cultures and how innovative the person was for the time of their incarnation. Your retort to Lauryn is like saying Edison invented the light bulb, but did he continue to innovate and make more inventions? I believe he made have, but my point is we are still using the light bulb, and the positive bar Lauryn set for black women is still needed today, and miseducation still inspires. These vlogs too often focus on quantity as opposed to the quality, and the fact that sometimes one album changes everything in music history, few artist are innovative and prolific while holding mainstream public interest all at once, that's what makes a Prince a rarity, in Hip Hop it's even more rare that a person does all three, innovation, longevity & continual mainstream success.
I also feel this is too often done to black artist, those artist give us an evolutionary leap, then when they show vunerability or run into life problems that most humans will surely encounter, it is then suggested that they are broken vessels, not strong, wrItten off and many times soon forgotten.
I understand the point about live shows and being late, all of that is unfortunate, but as far as hip hop history she is still one of the greatest female emcees hands down, it is what it is.
Great video. Lauryn Hill is the greatest of all time in my opinion. Even with the very small discography. Her lyrics are witty with a lot of depth, her delivery and vocal range are unmatched in the Hip/Hop genre. One of the few, if only female Hip/hop artist that inspires and has had a profound everlasting effect on me.
DAMN, that was deep! But, in all fairness all of the GOAT's have slumps in their careers... I'm looking forward to that female GOATs video! Personally, I hope Sweet Tee isn't forgotten!
If hip-hop is an art, then all u really need is that one masterpiece. In that sense Lauryn Hill is the female goat. No other female came close to that level
Well said.
Justin - the more videos you upload the better in my opinion! If you could upload more of your conversations with Rude Jude too, they are always so entertaining
Thank you! I'm excited and I appreciate you checking the show.
Best hip-hop channel out there! Keep up the great work, glad to be part of the ride