Definitely! I'm newer to milsurps and I only have a few so far and Im still in the "but I want to shoot it" sobthats the only reason I havent gotten a carcano yet. Otherwise I'm pretty interested in them
@@behindenemylines3361 I agree and disagree. I agree that they won't stay cheap forever, nothing does. However, there is a big difference between Mosins and Carcanos, and that is that 7.62x54r was readily available when Mosins were cheap and the ammo was also dirt cheap. I remember getting 100 rounds for $20 bucks. So a lot of people stacked up on the ammo even if they didn't have Mosins. That drove the demand for Mosins higher since people were starting to want them now that they had ammo. And also, 7.62x54r is also not as cheap anymore but it is still widely available. Carcanos will go up in value for sure, but I think it will be at a slower rate. But nevertheless, I think it's smart to get one.
I do want to correct a major misconception in this video. The Model 91/24’s (the particular model you’re holding) didn’t just have their front barrels lopped off. The process of shortening them was fairly complicated and was done with great oversight. The front 1/3rd of the barrels (which generally had tighter and well maintained rifling) were chopped off, grafted into the reciever end, and then new chambers were drilled out. The final product was a rifle that had the same consistent rifling as any other Moschetto, TS Model, or Fucile and they shoot just fine. The Italian Ministry of War was not ignorant of the progressive rifling and planned accordingly. Also, the 91/24’s were the only models that were modified in such a way and this was only a small fraction of Carcanos. New production and refurbished rifles had consistent gain twist rifling and they wouldn’t have issued them to their armed forces otherwise. The accuracy issues associated with Carcanos all stem from improperly sized bullets (modern production ammunition are too small in diameter - it should be .268) and improper sight alignment, like you mentioned. The Italian government regularly recycled parts whenever possible because of economic condition but they took quality control very seriously.
Looking at the trajectory of the round with the 300 meter minimum sight on the M91s, it is similar to the 7.62x39. Aim at the enemy's belt line anywhere under 300 meters and get a torso hit.
When I got my first Carcano, I was surprised at how well the clip/magazine system worked. Way better than a Mosin and better than some mausers Ive used.
Milspec OG bullets are .266 Contrary to popular belief 91/24 carbines are not cut off at the muzzle end. They are cut on the breech end and the breech is machined for the barrel to be slid down inside. If you’ll pull your 81/24 out of the stock you can see how this was done. You’ll also notice that the muzzle end rifling is tight just like the original 91 Fucile long rifle.
One thing i have found about the Carcano is the bolt.. the bolt is hand fitted to each rifle. If you get a Carcano today the bolt has been swapped out and it is sticky and hard to close.
Not really handfitted, they were produced to be completely interchangeable with other rifles. But they could be a hit or miss after decades of random swapping and no factory gauge check.
Love all my mausers. Best bolt action platform ever created imo. Also love ALL my Carcanos. I don’t own a 91/24 so my carbines all have proper gain twist rifling. Also I reload *thanks Blind Sniper*, currently fine tuning my recipes, and using .268 boolats is 🎯 Anyone who blindly says Carcanos are inaccurate, have not used proper ammo or learned their Carcano. They are all different and inconsistent as opposed to Mausers. But when you learn your Carcano, learn proper hold (again each is different like any tool) she is an absolute pleasure to plink with. Never used for hunting, yet. Great vid as always!!
He's not showing a mod.91/24, just a sporterised long rifle. Mod. 91/24 were converted mantaining the correct gaining twist, not just chopped down like some bubba would sporterize his rifle.
about the only things I don't like on Carcano's are mainly for the short ones- Sight alignment method, and bolts using the 2nd extractor setup. The 2nd setup has extractor go through a lug. It's no Steyr or Mauser, but I like it.
With mod.91, when you put your front sight at the bottom of the V notch, that's when you hit the 300m zero of the combat sight. If you keep your front sight on level with the top of the v notch, you have something over 450/500m zero. Mod.38 (both 7.35 and 6.5) guns, those with factory fixed sights, must instead be used as any other v notch firearm, with everything on level. 7.35 guns will have a zero of 200m, 6.5 guns a zerp of 300m. Then the mod.41 have a combat sight of 200m.
In my 35- 40 years of collecting military surplus i always check the carcano for tiny cracks in bolt heads and yes ive seen them . of course i check all the surplus through before i buy them.the worst thing i have seem is mixed bolts from time to time. papa wishing you well. 😊
I got mine for $300 and it’s okay and I got the long rifle as well. They are bad and they shoot pretty well but I had to speed some time and money making them safe to use. Ammo isn’t hard to find and I 3D printed clips for it.
Just got mine too from RTI , I haven’t even begun to clean it as I don’t know where to begin , any pointers how you made yours safe to shoot and what to look for
For starters not even getting to the rifle itself the ammo is expensive and very hard to get and absolutely forget about military surplus 😅 I could have bought a nice one recently but backed out when I couldn't get ammo 😮
A lot of Carcanos have rough actions, this is caused by damage to the firing pin. The firing pin in Carcanos determines the fitment of the bolt and when U.S. collectors or Italian soldiers would go Gorilla mode when disassembling the bolt, they would often damage the shelf on the firing pin and ruin how well the bolt fits. If the action of your Carcano is rough, you might want to inspect your firing pin and think about replacing it if it's damaged.
@@Gungeek There is a rectangular shelf located on the firing pin of Carcanos. If the edges are well defined then the parts of the bolt will fit properly and the action will be smooth. If the edges of the rectangular shelf has become rounded, then the parts of the bolt will fit loosely and the action will be rough. The action of my Carcano was very rough but after I replaced the firing pin it is as smooth as butter now.
I'm buying them from J&G Sales. So far I have 7 of them. I heard all this same stuff back in the day about SKS, Mosins corrosive ammo, and every other military surplus gun I have ever owned. Yeah buddy , now all those crappy, cheap steel, Communistic, can't hit the side of a barn, junk guns , cost way too much for me. Carcano's are THE LAST of the deals. I hope they keep talking about how junky they are so the rest of us can purchase them cheap. The ammunition's manufactures will increase supply as the demand increases. In 5-10 years everybody will be screaming '' I could have '' bought those for 200 bucks. Yeah well they will be $500 buck or more just like those crappy SKS Chines junk rifles that nobody wanted. History repeats itself. Nobody want to purchase shares in the stock market when Wall Street is down either. Then it goes up and everybody jumps in again. Stupid people never learn. The '' I Could Have Crowd "" and the I should have crowd. Yeah well, I'm part of the I did crowd !!!! Just thank me now , because your kids will think your a genus.
Good analysis, but maybe a bit poorly titled. I'd say that those issues that give the carcano a bad rep will get solved within a few years. An example of that would be the ammo and how some manufacturers have started making properly sized bullets
The Carcano has always been shit on, but I've actually fallen in love with them on my milsurp journey. I got an 1895 made long rifle with the straight bolt handle and it's a solid shooter for 129 years old. I definitely see why the Carcano is disliked, but with as many that get imported and that sit on shelves if ammo was more available I bet the Carcano would be what the Mosin was a few years ago. Ammo is available, but you gotta go outta your way to get it which half the appeal of it is just gone from that fact alone.
Terrible sights that are unintuitive and zeroed for a weirdly long distance, flimsy enbloc clips that dont hold up to repeated use, a controlled feed design that relies entirely on the flimsy clips and does not allow single loading, non-standard bullet diameter... Carcanos are neat rifles, very simple, historically relevant, but a pain in the ass at the shooting range
If they worked right the M91moschetto carbine would be my favorite gun. Between the shooting 12 feet high and 6th round jamming its not worth the headache.
I had an uncle who was over there, He brought one home. He said he had seen dead Italian soldiers with the bolt lodged in their head. As I recall , there is only a single locking lug on the bolt. That, combined with cracks in the bolt head would make them scary.
No disrespect to your uncle, but the carcano has two forward locking lugs as well as the bolt handle buttress. Most bolt action rifles will blow the receiver ring apart, and send the barrel forward long before there is enough force to eject the bolt rear ward into the shooters head. In over 40 years around the gun business, I've never seen a carcano bolt blown out of the receiver.
Split bridge, en bloc clip, expensive ammo, no aftermarket, .268 instead of .264 bullets, no cost effective way to convert to 7.62x39. As a scout configured carbine they could still be interesting and if PPU ammo were 75 cents or less per round. But getting clips that work? $4.95 and if it's stamped wrong or mustered out you eat it?!
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If Carcano food was dirt cheap and was plentiful, everyone would love them!
Definitely! I'm newer to milsurps and I only have a few so far and Im still in the "but I want to shoot it" sobthats the only reason I havent gotten a carcano yet. Otherwise I'm pretty interested in them
@@ticket2space Same here. I still might pick up a Carcano M91 simply due to how dirt cheap they are.
@@westcoastplinkin6559They won’t stay that way, remember how cheap the Mosin just a few years ago.
@@behindenemylines3361 I agree and disagree. I agree that they won't stay cheap forever, nothing does. However, there is a big difference between Mosins and Carcanos, and that is that 7.62x54r was readily available when Mosins were cheap and the ammo was also dirt cheap. I remember getting 100 rounds for $20 bucks. So a lot of people stacked up on the ammo even if they didn't have Mosins. That drove the demand for Mosins higher since people were starting to want them now that they had ammo. And also, 7.62x54r is also not as cheap anymore but it is still widely available. Carcanos will go up in value for sure, but I think it will be at a slower rate. But nevertheless, I think it's smart to get one.
If carcano ammo was cheap, it wouldn't fix the crappy sights or flimsy enbloc clips
I do want to correct a major misconception in this video. The Model 91/24’s (the particular model you’re holding) didn’t just have their front barrels lopped off. The process of shortening them was fairly complicated and was done with great oversight. The front 1/3rd of the barrels (which generally had tighter and well maintained rifling) were chopped off, grafted into the reciever end, and then new chambers were drilled out. The final product was a rifle that had the same consistent rifling as any other Moschetto, TS Model, or Fucile and they shoot just fine. The Italian Ministry of War was not ignorant of the progressive rifling and planned accordingly. Also, the 91/24’s were the only models that were modified in such a way and this was only a small fraction of Carcanos. New production and refurbished rifles had consistent gain twist rifling and they wouldn’t have issued them to their armed forces otherwise. The accuracy issues associated with Carcanos all stem from improperly sized bullets (modern production ammunition are too small in diameter - it should be .268) and improper sight alignment, like you mentioned. The Italian government regularly recycled parts whenever possible because of economic condition but they took quality control very seriously.
Wrong
@@whizwit215 ummm not wrong lol
@@GarandGuy2553 if it has a long rifle site, it was an arsenal “chop”.
It’s in the book your channel promotes, no? Or am I getting my date codes wrong?
Not trying to start YT comment beef btw ✌️
Looking at the trajectory of the round with the 300 meter minimum sight on the M91s, it is similar to the 7.62x39. Aim at the enemy's belt line anywhere under 300 meters and get a torso hit.
Hard to do when theyre prone and camouflaged
As long as people think they're crap guns they will stay cheap and that's great for a collector like me!
When I got my first Carcano, I was surprised at how well the clip/magazine system worked. Way better than a Mosin and better than some mausers Ive used.
Milspec OG bullets are .266
Contrary to popular belief 91/24 carbines are not cut off at the muzzle end. They are cut on the breech end and the breech is machined for the barrel to be slid down inside. If you’ll pull your 81/24 out of the stock you can see how this was done. You’ll also notice that the muzzle end rifling is tight just like the original 91 Fucile long rifle.
Wrong
One thing i have found about the Carcano is the bolt.. the bolt is hand fitted to each rifle. If you get a Carcano today the bolt has been swapped out and it is sticky and hard to close.
Not really handfitted, they were produced to be completely interchangeable with other rifles. But they could be a hit or miss after decades of random swapping and no factory gauge check.
Love all my mausers. Best bolt action platform ever created imo. Also love ALL my Carcanos. I don’t own a 91/24 so my carbines all have proper gain twist rifling. Also I reload *thanks Blind Sniper*, currently fine tuning my recipes, and using .268 boolats is 🎯 Anyone who blindly says Carcanos are inaccurate, have not used proper ammo or learned their Carcano. They are all different and inconsistent as opposed to Mausers. But when you learn your Carcano, learn proper hold (again each is different like any tool) she is an absolute pleasure to plink with. Never used for hunting, yet. Great vid as always!!
He's not showing a mod.91/24, just a sporterised long rifle.
Mod. 91/24 were converted mantaining the correct gaining twist, not just chopped down like some bubba would sporterize his rifle.
@@howtopronouncegewehr wrong
@@whizwit215 care to elaborate what am I wrong about? Preferebly quoting modern, updated and reliable sources?
My carcano m38 7.35 30 cal is a tack driver. I replaced the front sight for a higher sight. I’m happy with mine.
You can 3D print the clips for the Carcano, the files are free on thingaverse, and they work better than some of the reproduction clips
about the only things I don't like on Carcano's are mainly for the short ones- Sight alignment method, and bolts using the 2nd extractor setup. The 2nd setup has extractor go through a lug. It's no Steyr or Mauser, but I like it.
my only complaint is the bullets are hard to find in my area and they are overpriced.
With mod.91, when you put your front sight at the bottom of the V notch, that's when you hit the 300m zero of the combat sight.
If you keep your front sight on level with the top of the v notch, you have something over 450/500m zero.
Mod.38 (both 7.35 and 6.5) guns, those with factory fixed sights, must instead be used as any other v notch firearm, with everything on level. 7.35 guns will have a zero of 200m, 6.5 guns a zerp of 300m.
Then the mod.41 have a combat sight of 200m.
In my 35- 40 years of collecting military surplus i always check the carcano for tiny cracks in bolt heads and yes ive seen them . of course i check all the surplus through before i buy them.the worst thing i have seem is mixed bolts from time to time. papa wishing you well. 😊
My TS and Cav carbines run .264 extremely well.
Sean drinks. 😂 🍻
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@@theblindsniper9130 LMAO 🤣
I got mine for $300 and it’s okay and I got the long rifle as well. They are bad and they shoot pretty well but I had to speed some time and money making them safe to use. Ammo isn’t hard to find and I 3D printed clips for it.
Just got mine too from RTI , I haven’t even begun to clean it as I don’t know where to begin , any pointers how you made yours safe to shoot and what to look for
Hey ! Banerman old school ammo is available at Graff & Sons. Thought I saw 7.7JP and 6.5 Carcano. Sniper!!
Was just checking one out at the local gun show.
But, but, it’s not! Highly underrated weapon! Like how you knock down/explain this weapon system
For starters not even getting to the rifle itself the ammo is expensive and very hard to get and absolutely forget about military surplus 😅 I could have bought a nice one recently but backed out when I couldn't get ammo 😮
You.proved Oswald did it!
A lot of Carcanos have rough actions, this is caused by damage to the firing pin. The firing pin in Carcanos determines the fitment of the bolt and when U.S. collectors or Italian soldiers would go Gorilla mode when disassembling the bolt, they would often damage the shelf on the firing pin and ruin how well the bolt fits. If the action of your Carcano is rough, you might want to inspect your firing pin and think about replacing it if it's damaged.
damaged in what way?
@@Gungeek There is a rectangular shelf located on the firing pin of Carcanos. If the edges are well defined then the parts of the bolt will fit properly and the action will be smooth. If the edges of the rectangular shelf has become rounded, then the parts of the bolt will fit loosely and the action will be rough. The action of my Carcano was very rough but after I replaced the firing pin it is as smooth as butter now.
@@dancortes3062 interesting.
FYI There is no X in especially. Good video!
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I'm buying them from J&G Sales. So far I have 7 of them. I heard all this same stuff back in the day about SKS, Mosins corrosive ammo, and every other military surplus gun I have ever owned. Yeah buddy , now all those crappy, cheap steel, Communistic, can't hit the side of a barn, junk guns , cost way too much for me. Carcano's are THE LAST of the deals. I hope they keep talking about how junky they are so the rest of us can purchase them cheap. The ammunition's manufactures will increase supply as the demand increases. In 5-10 years everybody will be screaming '' I could have '' bought those for 200 bucks. Yeah well they will be $500 buck or more just like those crappy SKS Chines junk rifles that nobody wanted. History repeats itself. Nobody want to purchase shares in the stock market when Wall Street is down either. Then it goes up and everybody jumps in again. Stupid people never learn. The '' I Could Have Crowd "" and the I should have crowd. Yeah well, I'm part of the I did crowd !!!! Just thank me now , because your kids will think your a genus.
For real, people don’t think there accurate because they’re not using the proper ammo and have a spanked out bore
Good analysis, but maybe a bit poorly titled. I'd say that those issues that give the carcano a bad rep will get solved within a few years. An example of that would be the ammo and how some manufacturers have started making properly sized bullets
US liked the Mauser so much, we copied it
👍 I love my m41 carcano,
The Carcano has always been shit on, but I've actually fallen in love with them on my milsurp journey. I got an 1895 made long rifle with the straight bolt handle and it's a solid shooter for 129 years old. I definitely see why the Carcano is disliked, but with as many that get imported and that sit on shelves if ammo was more available I bet the Carcano would be what the Mosin was a few years ago. Ammo is available, but you gotta go outta your way to get it which half the appeal of it is just gone from that fact alone.
I once had I dream that I bought a Carcano for $200 and for the rest of the dream I just lamented my purchase. Lol Also, boo Mauser 👎🏻
Terrible sights that are unintuitive and zeroed for a weirdly long distance, flimsy enbloc clips that dont hold up to repeated use, a controlled feed design that relies entirely on the flimsy clips and does not allow single loading, non-standard bullet diameter... Carcanos are neat rifles, very simple, historically relevant, but a pain in the ass at the shooting range
If they worked right the M91moschetto carbine would be my favorite gun. Between the shooting 12 feet high and 6th round jamming its not worth the headache.
you can use the clips over and over, and they can be single loaded lol
I had an uncle who was over there, He brought one home. He said he had seen dead Italian soldiers with the bolt lodged in their head. As I recall , there is only a single locking lug on the bolt. That, combined with cracks in the bolt head would make them scary.
That's absolute BS, just a funny war story to spook children. Don't believe everything you hear from veteran, especially these stuff.
No disrespect to your uncle, but the carcano has two forward locking lugs as well as the bolt handle buttress. Most bolt action rifles will blow the receiver ring apart, and send the barrel forward long before there is enough force to eject the bolt rear ward into the shooters head. In over 40 years around the gun business, I've never seen a carcano bolt blown out of the receiver.
'Yea well how many battles and wars did the Italians win, anyway? None.
a couple :)
Split bridge, en bloc clip, expensive ammo, no aftermarket, .268 instead of .264 bullets, no cost effective way to convert to 7.62x39. As a scout configured carbine they could still be interesting and if PPU ammo were 75 cents or less per round. But getting clips that work? $4.95 and if it's stamped wrong or mustered out you eat it?!