Thank you for not hating on Carl. So many people do. He's a child without parental guidance in a terrifying new world. All the blame is Lori's and Rick's. Also, Daryl knows everything, he just doesn't say much, lol.
He definitely had a horrible mother. She NEVER knew where he was. I knew where my son was at all times when he was Carl's age and there wasn't an apocalypse going on. Lori sucked as a mom.
The poor boy just needs his parents 😭… what happened was never his fault! He’s curious and he’ll try and explore the world he lives in alone if he has to.. he shouldn’t have to, but he has.
@@trb2021 Rick never knew where he was either. Not to mention, kids run off. Kids sneak. If a kid wants to do something behind their parents back, it not hard to figure out how to do it...
I agree so much, I see so much hate for Carl. He's just a kid, even if he makes mistakes I don't feel it's worth hating him for almost anything he does when he's so young, but we get so many reactors absolutely hating him and even wanting him to get killed off
"Sorry brother." Dale was such a good character, and it sucks he got killed off.. But they handled it extremely well. I can't wait for the next episode!
Yeah it's not Carl's fault. He is just a kid who did something stupid, but he had no intention of leading the walker to the house and it killing Dale...not just fault.
It’s not his fault at all! He’s a curious boy in a very strict world. If his parents weren’t there with him to explore, it was a matter of time before curiosity would take over.
Yeah this was a tough loss. Dale was the group’s moral compass, reminding them to retain their humanity even through the worst of times. It’s a hard choice sometimes to know what is the smartest decision to protect your family and group. Loving your reactions and looking forward to more!
This is a whole different world. There are no cops, lawyers, judges, or jails. The thing is, Rick and Glenn were in the bar with Tony and Dave. The first thing Dave asked was "you got any cooze?" Then, "I'll shoot the 3 of you and take your damn farm". Tony was gonna shoot Rick, then Hershel and Glenn, probably take Hershel's truck, then look for the farm. Tony and Dave's friends sure didn't offer to sit down and talk about anything, they didn't care what happened they just started shooting. They left their "friend" behind, alive, impaled and getting ready to be walker food. Rick, Glenn, and Hershel know exactly what kind of men Randall's group are. Nobody questioned it when Rick shot Tony and Dave. Saving Randall in the first place was the moral and humane thing to do and look where it got them. If Rick hadn't been there they would've killed Hershel and Glenn, told their buddies about the farm, and pulled up and did the same thing they did at the camp with the man and his daughters. If they let Randall go and he finds his group, they're gonna ask how he's still alive and who patched up his leg. Do you think he's not gonna tell them he knows where the guys who killed Tony and Dave and the others are? Of course he is. I see Dale's point but he was wrong. It's not as if Rick's a cold-blooded killer. He's not jumping up and down clapping his hands with excitement over killing Randall. Hell, he's already put it off twice. But in this new world where some men will go apeshit and do precisely what they want, unfortunately it's kill or be killed. You can still have morals and be a good person, but morals aren't gonna save them when those 30 men show up.
Agreed. Randall had a bad smell to me. I understand not wanting to be alone but he was definitely trying to work everyone. I didn't trust him. Honestly, I think the best thing to have done with him was a quick mercy killing while he was preoccupied with his injury. Saving him didn't make much sense to me considering his "friends" just tried to kill Rick, Glenn and Herschel and threatened to take the farm...and the women. No thanks.
I would like to point out that Randall was trying to tempt Daryl with the rape story. Serious miscalculation. Gee, rape by a bunch of men or kill someone? They would get a bullet from me.
Exactly, 👍👍 You can see it in his eyes at the start of him telling Daryl about it, as soon as he saw Daryl was not happy with what he was hearing, he changed course and tried to make it seem like he was innocent of it all, but Daryl saw through it quickly, 👍😀👍
I think the reason Dale was out there was he probably heard some commotion and went to check it out. Always looking out for the group. Dale was the kind of person who is needed to bring back civilization, because he cared for human life in general, and about doing the right thing. Even when he had a chance to take Shanes life, he chose not to. RIP Dale. 😔
i think he wanted to get far away from the farm, so he wouldn’t overhear Randall’s execution and be a party to it, like he said he didn’t want to be. he was so disgusted with the decision to put Randall down that he didn’t want to be anywhere near the scene when it happened.
The real reason of him had killed too soon its because he is a great friend of Frank Darabont. And when they fired him because of money basically, the actor of Dale wants to leave the show like a form of protest.
The Rick slander hurts my soul🥲 The thing that differentiates Shane being so hot-headed and willing to execute someone, to when Rick decides to- is simply the matter of authority and willingness to reconvene if others feel differently. Shane was going to kill both Rick and Randall right there in the school yard. He didn’t care what others thought, because he’s selfish and only cares about how HE feels toward the situation. Had he killed Rick and Randall, he would’ve came back and spun the story- lying to everyone at camp to cover up his unwillingness to be fair and democratic. Rick on the other hand made sure everyone had their vote, and it just so happened that the majority agreed that executing Randall was the best decision. That’s a democratic way of making decisions, and though I understand why you may feel ill toward it- I feel like to some degree it’s understandable. I mean Randall was with a group of people who raped women and children in front of their families: would you let him sleep under the same roof as your family? Would you feel safe that way? The dead coming alive is scary, but the people who become like that as soon as the world crashes and laws are thrown out of order- they’re scarier. I’m not against your opinion, because I see it that way as well- but I also just wanted to share my take on Rick as a leader. Also, I don’t think any of them are in the headspace to lead- being in the midst of a zombie apocalypse oughta do that to you lol!!
This comment is awesome. I really love the different perspectives! My view in the decision, is perhaps… perhaps it’s the safest one… BUT, in Dales own words, “This is a boys life! That deserves more than a 5 minute conversation!”. I think the decision to kill him didn’t even need to take place within 24 hours. I feel that letting him go is unsafe and the wrong decision, but I still feel killing him doesn’t feel right. Perhaps it takes a week to decide, at least then everyone can collect their emotions, thoughts, and process a decision which takes more than 24 hours to make! Such a tough moral decision. But I think I’d argue for a direct in between. Keep on detained and watched until we are more informed on our options. This then sits nicely between being completely safe, and completely immoral!
@@DanReadd Honestly I can agree! I definitely think their decision was rushed, and the way they went about it almost made it seem like they thought killing a living human wasn’t that big of a deal. Which, it definitely is a big deal- and is something that should only be done with provocation. It’s fair to argue that he was also young, because if he’d gone to school with Maggie he could be anywhere from 18 - 22. Which as a father, Rick likely also felt uneasy toward killing him for that reason in itself. Do I think he would’ve done anything bad if they’d let him live? Probably not. He seemed scared, and like he was willing to follow whatever authority he could so long as he would stay alive. But the thing is that it’s hard to decide something so large based off of instinct, or loose thoughts- you need to go off the facts. He was apart of a group who tried to kill them, he admitted that his group raped women: Rick is a man of the law, or he was- though I still think that part of him is there. It’s unsafe for him to risk that regardless of the circumstances. And I absolutely loved Dale’s character, especially because how he upheld his morals and didn’t let the world change him. And I do think that a mans life is worth more than a short discussion. The problem is that so many people within the group didn’t want to know about the execution that would take place, they just wanted it done. I feel like it’s more fair to question the groups morality, than it is to question Rick’s leadership. I also do want to mention that I’m completely biased because I watched Rick’s character evolution for the last 11 years of my life. So he definitely is a character I hold near and dear to my heart. To me, he’s a great leader. But.. every leader makes bad decisions, because it takes mistakes/ trial and error to become the best you can. I just wanted to make sure that was taken into consideration because as much as I try and be unbiased- there’s always going to be that little nudge of bias toward my opinions! Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts on the show and it’s really interesting to dissect differentiating perceptions! Keep it up Dan! :)
Hershel made me cry when he gave Glenn that watch. I was with Dale. My thoughts at the time were that they could lock the kid up, and, as he is young and impressionable, over time he could integrate with the community. But there is no mechanism set up for that. They need some sort of political structure. At what point do they create that structure and how? I think Carol was of the mind that Rick & Company had already made up their minds up and she didn't want any part of it. Plus, I think she is still in the battered spouse's mindset of letting others make decisions for her. Just as Rick is trying to demonstrate that he can make the hard decisions to protect his family, I think Lori is trying to demonstrate that she is going to back Rick no matter what. She's had both Shane and Andrea in her head. I was so upset with Dale's death. That "Sorry, Brother" killed me. I thought, "Oh no, they have lost their moral compass."
Yeah I agree with everything you’re saying to be honest. The thing about this whole situation that I’m troubled by, is the idea of killing him so soon. Dale even said, killing him doesn’t change that there are 30 potentially revenge ridden, and Ill-minded people ready to pounce. So keeping him locked up seems like morally the best thing to do. I feel that even tho imprisoning someone isn’t moral, when we consider the alternatives, it potentially weighs up as the middle ground between unsafe and immoral.
you are one of the very few reactors who doesn't blame/hate on Carl for Dale's death... this shows we can be sad for losing a good character and still be empathetic towards a kid.. Also from another perspective.. they live in a world with no laws to protect them.. a world that brings bad side of people.. and it's on you to protect your loved ones... so if the time comes when you have to chose one whose blood would we rather have on our hand?? our friends and family or a stranger?? I get it... totally the wrong thing to do.. but still a difficult decision to make...
I’m actually so surprised I’m one of few?! Like how can you blame Carl? He’s a curious, young boy, trying to explore an unprecedented world by himself. His parents are rightly occupied (hmm most of the time.), and he’s always going to try and grow up by himself!
@@DanReadd ya.. i always found the criticism/hate carl got very sad.. yes he did something stupid like most kids do.. we did stupid things too.. the difference is he lives in a world where stupidity might cost life.. it's not his fault that he lives in a world where he can't afford being a kid.. I can understand the frustration with carl in this episode.. but not the direct blame of getting dale killed.. it's not like he murdered him or knowingly did something to kill him.. how could he know what consequences his actions would have..
Dale wasn't my favorite character, not even close, but I didn't want him to be gutted by a Walker. I love how Daryl stepped in and took over for Rick to put down Dale.
You say that Rick was influenced by Shane but as Dale was walking around talking to everyone he wanted his point to go through so much that he was telling people how they should feel. You are as well saying it is a wrong decision to just kill Randall. We met Randall as he was trying to kill Rick, Hershel and Glenn but than our group saved him. They gave him a chance by going 18 miles out but that was messed up when they found out that he knew Maggie which set back Rick’s plan. That leaves us with getting information from him and deciding if we should kill Randall or not to keep the group safe. Rick wanted to take the night but than that got extended when he talked to Dale and became a discussion so that everyone could way in. Rick may not come right out and say it but his constant back and forth with the decision to kill Randall was shown throughout this whole episode whereas Shane was just like we kill him and it is problem solved. Sometimes what Shane says plays on repeat in Rick’s mind like with Sophia and the barn but Rick is always thinking ahead and for the future well being and safety of the group not just for himself and Lori and Carl. Lori may not have agreed with the death penalty in a civilized world and agreed that Rick was making the best decision for the group but civilization is gone and trying to hold onto your humanity by Dale’s standards is not plausible in this world.
AMC, the network that produces the show was cheating the shows developer Frank Darabont, out of money so he left. The actor who plays Dale was a friend of his and left the show in solidarity. He asked to be killed off. Just FYI, Darabont sued and won a fortune in the case.
That’s some loyalty right there. Glad his friend also won his case! It seems as much as there are piranhas in the apocalypse, they are just as many (just more hidden) in the real world 😢
A lot of people love to bring up the moral compass bs, but fail to realize if they let that kid go they all would have gotten killed. That kid was looking for ways to manipulate people and escape back to his group the entire time he was in the barn. The way he talked about what happened to those girls and their dad was sick. He definitely didn’t just “watch.” The fact that he didn’t snitch on his group immediately even though they abandoned him and Daryl was about to torture him shows he was still loyal. Dale honestly would have gotten the group killed if he didn’t die when he did. But the message he left behind was important even though he took it too the extreme. Ideally you should reach a balance of trust and being able to do what needs to be done.
I cried so much. I loved Dale's character. There was never another character like Dale in the series. He was so full of heart and was part of the original group. This death hurt so much because of how good Dale was.
Love your reactions. I was the same way, I felt attached and so my emotions ran high while watching. I would get so involved and felt a part of the group. My sister and I would often talk for hours after some episodes as we tried to decompress and sometimes to just decide what we would do. I never had a show get me so involved
I was sad about Jacqui's death, I liked her even though we only had her a for such a short time. Sophia's death was a shock, but it was written on the wall. Dale's passing, however...damn, he was the first loss that hit my guts. Too bad Jeffrey DeMunn wanted to quit, but at least he went out with a bang. RIP Dale. Well, literally...
That kid was trying to kill them, they should have left him when he fell on the fence. If someone was shooting at me I'd get the hell out of there regardless if they got themselves stuck while trying to kill me. I wouldn't trust that kid to bring his friends back and kill all the people I care about. He is a threat, a big one. He isn't just a random innocent kid off the street. He is with really bad people and was trying to kill our group back at the bar.
I never felt that Andrea was actually siding with Dale in that moment. She seemed very sure that the kid needed to die. I think she was just feeling bad for Dale on his own, and she knew that her siding with Dale wouldn't actually change the vote.
Notice how Daryl stepped up to help Rick when killing Dale was too much for him. When Sofia came out of the barn Shane just stood off to the side and made Rick shoot her. Again, Dale is dying and Shane stands off to the side. He is either a coward or he is trying to push Rick into the leadership position. If that’s the case, why doesn’t Shane just take the leadership role? Ahhh, this show! I just LOVE all the moral dilemmas and drama!
This was a rough one to get through. I'm really liking your reactions though, so it makes it a bit less terrible to watch Dale die. Again. Keep up the amazing work!
Even after watching this episode for the 50th time, I'm still bawling with tears streaming down my face. Dale was a real one, an absolute fave. I'm not mad at Rick for going back and forth on killing Randall, he truly never wanted to kill the kid, it's Shane who is the devil on his shoulder making him question if he can protect the group. You have to remember that Rick & Shane were partners so he's still trusting and respecting Shane's advice thinking Shane still has good intentions when we the audience know he doesn't. I feel for Rick here and Lori should step up and give Rick a definitive answer on what he should do but we rarely get that from her. She's always "what you choose is best" which is not true, Rick is a great leader but he also needs guidance too.
i think carl wandering out in the woods was also him trying to prove himself, trying to prove that he's not the scared little kid everyone makes him out to be, he wants to be strong like his dad and prove that he's capable of being brave like the adults, like yes he's a kid but he's tired of being treated like one.
18:35, I watched this episode when I was like 10-12 years old, I cant remember anymore but out of the whole show this is the ONLY scene that genuinely freaked me out after watching it '^'
I cried so hard on Dales death..especially because he was so sad and felt like everyone was against him when he died 😢 and then Daryls "I'm sorry brother."
Nope. I don’t think they could safely let Randall live. Daryl picks up on a lot of things others don’t. After he questioned Randall, he was sure that Randall would betray them. There is no way I would have let him live.
@@jacobsheber6803I would really love to hear what exactly the way is that you think they could've found? Because to us it's a show and we know the important characters wouldn't just die, but to the characters it's their reality and any mistakes could've led them to death. They weren't working on some scientific experimental projects where they were given time and money to figure everything out without having to worry about anything. They were in the apocalypse and they needed to think about everything: food, water, walkers, tensions between their own and some unkown strangers' group who were pedos and robbers that almost killed some of their own people and one of their guys was in that farm which he clearly knew the location of. How could they have taken the time to work something out without carrying extremely high risks of getting killed?
@@flamingmonkey7712 they could have kept him with them. They have a farm and clearly could have kept him fed. He's just a kid, he could have became a good guy
Walking Dead is a relentless and unapologetic look at what would happen if society collapsed. Sometimes even the good guys are trying to survive and make the best choices when there are really no good ones.
One of the nice reasons of watching this show with you, was seeing Dale again. I cried when Daryl shot him. I'm glad he did though. It was compassionately done. Poor Dale would've been in so much pain. I'm also glad he didn't die alone plus he got to see Andrea again before he died. I'll miss him all over again, now. Carl is at that age where he's starting to head butt, eg old bull v young bull. When I look back at myself at a similar age, as the eldest child, I would describe myself as a bulldozer lol. 😀 Carl was a bugga, heading off and playing with that walker. The look of horror on Carl's face when he recognized the walker was heart breaking. What a load for a kid to carry. No, Dale's death is not Carl's fault. I hope he doesn't blame himself. In this world, Dale should never had gone on his own at night time. He should know that. When it comes to the captured young bloke, I can see both sides but I tell you, I was trying to work out a way of keeping him alive. By the time the episode finished, I still couldn't make my mind up, nor come up with a plan to safely, keep him and our group alive. I'm glad my vote, either way, wasn't required. Whew! I need a cuppa. Thanks for reaction and I'm looking forward to your next one. 🙂
I remember that dale's death really make me cry. Ik that there is alot of death already on the show since s1 but dale death really hit my feeling hard when first watch the show.
If it will make you feel better, Dale wanted to leave the show and everyone wants a great death on the show. The show runner changed hands and he was not on board. I'm loving to see your heart on the good happy episodes and the really sad, bad and a big WHY?
This show is merciless! Anyone is up for grabs so to speak! I was so mad when Dale died! He was one of my fave characters. He was the moral voice of the group!
I would love to see you open Patreon for S3 onward .. I can’t say much bc I don’t want to spoil but your reactions will keep getting more and more epic as you progress in the show !! Consider it!!
I’ve always thought about making one! The only issue I have though is the idea of uploading full episodes of a show doesn’t sit too well with me morally, idk it’s hard to explain!
@@DanReadd you are a rare breed of goodness! I completely get what you are saying. I am too old and too jaded to be this morally intact! But - maybe never change. 🙃 as Dale would say letting go of our humanity is a choice! ☝️
The messed up thing is that the reason they had to kill of Dale is because the actor left because one of his friends was fired, he regretted it after but it was too late. I am glad they used his comic death for someone else though
I enjoy watching other peoples perspectives. So many people think we could be killing machines in an apocalypse situation & not feel anything. I think many more people would feel like yourself than want to admit. ✌🏽
Daryl being the one to take care of Dale is so poignant to me as the last person that Dale spoke to. Daryl so far has been a quiet almost background character when compared to the "strong guys" of the group (Rick and Shane), but he's slowly showing he can be relied on as a member of the group and not an outsider that may or may not help.
It sucks that if they hadn’t pushed the creator frank darabont out of production we would have got a lot more of dale, the actor (the incredible jerrrey demunn) asked to be killed off because he was good friends with frank and so upset and disappointed with how he was treated. Also holy shit Greg nicotero is a incredible director. I’ve just discovered this channel and I’m so excited coz I love the walking dead, broadchuch and the killing
Honestly I agree with everything you've been talking about except for this one. Morally I agree with you on how wrong it is to kill the guy, but what options are there for Rick's group, without risking their own lives? If something like this actually happens sometimes it won't matter what you think it's fair, unfair, right or wrong, just because someone can read super deeply into things and be very fair and moral doesn't mean he can reach perfection of balance between morality and surviving. In this case I don't see how they can treat the kid fairly and keep themselves safe at the same time, and risking their own lives is surely not worth it from their own perspective. But on the other hand, I really like Dale. In my eyes Rick's group needed someone like Dale as the pure moral role as much as they needed some cruelty and survival skills at the same time. Lacking of either would've got them killed or fallen apart or ending up killing each other in my opinion
We all hated to see Dale die. They know people are a danger and it is so dangerous to take people in. You are right that the better thing is to give people a chance. You should never apologize for how the episodes make you feel. The show would not be so popular if it didn't bring out emotions. Characters will make bad or surprising decisions along the way. Humans are complex which makes them imperfect and hopefully these characters try to make wise decisions in the future.
I'm sorry, but Dale was wrong about Randall. He was a threat, and he needed to be eliminated. This is the apocalypse. He tried to kill them in the first place, they should never have saved him.
@@jacobsheber6803This is a very good question. But what if you see ten 12-year-old kids running at you and your beloved families firing an AK47 in each of their hands and there's absolutely no way for you and your families to run away, wouldn't you fight back?
As far as Randall, I say Take the shot...clean...in the brain. Daryl can hit a turkey between the eyes from any distance. I never liked Dale so his death didn't affect me. MVP is Daryl for putting Dale to rest.
Agreed although I respected Dale I think he was being unrealistic about the world they were living in. The mercy killing should have happened in town when he was impaled and left to a horrible death by his " friends", the rapists. In my opinion that would have been a humane act.
Dale is probably my 2nd favorite characters behind rick. Dale is a person you need to have in a group. If you dont, then you would kill so many people that dont deserve it
Im sure we will never go through a zombie apocalypse, but if we did...no offense but you are way too soft. Executing Randall was the right call. He was a threat...if he ever got out it would have been the end of them. Like Dale, your mind is not adapting to the fact that the old ways do not apply. I agree that letting Randall live is the morally correct thing to do, but morality would be a luxury in this situation. You are also totally misreading Rick(as Im sure you know by now) He would have never killed due to "peer pressure" from Shane. He did decide at the beginning of the episode that killing Randall was the right move. He obviously changed his mind later(needless to say if this was S3 or after he would never have even brought him back to the farm) Sorry, I know I am a bit late, but just discovered this channel recently.
The loss of Dale never bothered me. He always thought he was right and didn’t want to hear anyone else out in my opinion. I think they should have got rid of the boy. The way he looked when telling the story, he looked odd. The way he acted with Carl also he can’t be trusted. And who said they are civilized? It’s the end of the world. If they were civilized they wouldn’t just be expecting to stay on Herschel’s farm, if a stranger helps you do you just decide to stay at their house? No. Times are changing and they have to change with the times or they will not survive
Thank you for not hating on Carl. So many people do. He's a child without parental guidance in a terrifying new world. All the blame is Lori's and Rick's. Also, Daryl knows everything, he just doesn't say much, lol.
He definitely had a horrible mother. She NEVER knew where he was. I knew where my son was at all times when he was Carl's age and there wasn't an apocalypse going on. Lori sucked as a mom.
The poor boy just needs his parents 😭… what happened was never his fault! He’s curious and he’ll try and explore the world he lives in alone if he has to.. he shouldn’t have to, but he has.
@@DanReadd just see ..he is gonna be the second most badass character in the show after Rick
@@trb2021 Rick never knew where he was either. Not to mention, kids run off. Kids sneak. If a kid wants to do something behind their parents back, it not hard to figure out how to do it...
I agree so much, I see so much hate for Carl. He's just a kid, even if he makes mistakes I don't feel it's worth hating him for almost anything he does when he's so young, but we get so many reactors absolutely hating him and even wanting him to get killed off
"Sorry brother."
Dale was such a good character, and it sucks he got killed off.. But they handled it extremely well.
I can't wait for the next episode!
I'm so happy that you are not blaming Carl. Several fans were so mad at him and Lori for not paying attention to him
Yeah it's not Carl's fault. He is just a kid who did something stupid, but he had no intention of leading the walker to the house and it killing Dale...not just fault.
It’s not his fault at all! He’s a curious boy in a very strict world. If his parents weren’t there with him to explore, it was a matter of time before curiosity would take over.
Yeah this was a tough loss. Dale was the group’s moral compass, reminding them to retain their humanity even through the worst of times. It’s a hard choice sometimes to know what is the smartest decision to protect your family and group.
Loving your reactions and looking forward to more!
Thanks 😊 maybe Glenn will fill those empty shoes nicely 🥹
This is a whole different world. There are no cops, lawyers, judges, or jails. The thing is, Rick and Glenn were in the bar with Tony and Dave. The first thing Dave asked was "you got any cooze?" Then, "I'll shoot the 3 of you and take your damn farm". Tony was gonna shoot Rick, then Hershel and Glenn, probably take Hershel's truck, then look for the farm. Tony and Dave's friends sure didn't offer to sit down and talk about anything, they didn't care what happened they just started shooting. They left their "friend" behind, alive, impaled and getting ready to be walker food. Rick, Glenn, and Hershel know exactly what kind of men Randall's group are. Nobody questioned it when Rick shot Tony and Dave. Saving Randall in the first place was the moral and humane thing to do and look where it got them. If Rick hadn't been there they would've killed Hershel and Glenn, told their buddies about the farm, and pulled up and did the same thing they did at the camp with the man and his daughters. If they let Randall go and he finds his group, they're gonna ask how he's still alive and who patched up his leg. Do you think he's not gonna tell them he knows where the guys who killed Tony and Dave and the others are? Of course he is. I see Dale's point but he was wrong. It's not as if Rick's a cold-blooded killer. He's not jumping up and down clapping his hands with excitement over killing Randall. Hell, he's already put it off twice. But in this new world where some men will go apeshit and do precisely what they want, unfortunately it's kill or be killed. You can still have morals and be a good person, but morals aren't gonna save them when those 30 men show up.
Agreed. Randall had a bad smell to me. I understand not wanting to be alone but he was definitely trying to work everyone. I didn't trust him. Honestly, I think the best thing to have done with him was a quick mercy killing while he was preoccupied with his injury. Saving him didn't make much sense to me considering his "friends" just tried to kill Rick, Glenn and Herschel and threatened to take the farm...and the women. No thanks.
Facts!!!🤷♀️💯
I would like to point out that Randall was trying to tempt Daryl with the rape story. Serious miscalculation. Gee, rape by a bunch of men or kill someone? They would get a bullet from me.
Exactly, 👍👍
You can see it in his eyes at the start of him telling Daryl about it, as soon as he saw Daryl was not happy with what he was hearing, he changed course and tried to make it seem like he was innocent of it all, but Daryl saw through it quickly, 👍😀👍
Jesus I didn’t pick up on that! I did think it was such a weird thing to bring up in his situation 👀
I know this was a year ago 😂 but thank you! I was screaming this at him through the next several reactions! 😊
I think the reason Dale was out there was he probably heard some commotion and went to check it out. Always looking out for the group. Dale was the kind of person who is needed to bring back civilization, because he cared for human life in general, and about doing the right thing. Even when he had a chance to take Shanes life, he chose not to. RIP Dale. 😔
Rip Dale 😢
i think he wanted to get far away from the farm, so he wouldn’t overhear Randall’s execution and be a party to it, like he said he didn’t want to be. he was so disgusted with the decision to put Randall down that he didn’t want to be anywhere near the scene when it happened.
The real reason of him had killed too soon its because he is a great friend of Frank Darabont. And when they fired him because of money basically, the actor of Dale wants to leave the show like a form of protest.
The Rick slander hurts my soul🥲
The thing that differentiates Shane being so hot-headed and willing to execute someone, to when Rick decides to- is simply the matter of authority and willingness to reconvene if others feel differently. Shane was going to kill both Rick and Randall right there in the school yard. He didn’t care what others thought, because he’s selfish and only cares about how HE feels toward the situation. Had he killed Rick and Randall, he would’ve came back and spun the story- lying to everyone at camp to cover up his unwillingness to be fair and democratic. Rick on the other hand made sure everyone had their vote, and it just so happened that the majority agreed that executing Randall was the best decision. That’s a democratic way of making decisions, and though I understand why you may feel ill toward it- I feel like to some degree it’s understandable. I mean Randall was with a group of people who raped women and children in front of their families: would you let him sleep under the same roof as your family? Would you feel safe that way? The dead coming alive is scary, but the people who become like that as soon as the world crashes and laws are thrown out of order- they’re scarier.
I’m not against your opinion, because I see it that way as well- but I also just wanted to share my take on Rick as a leader. Also, I don’t think any of them are in the headspace to lead- being in the midst of a zombie apocalypse oughta do that to you lol!!
I can say I definitely wouldn't want to be raped by thirty men. I'll take killing someone first, thank you.
Facts!🤷♀️💯
This comment is awesome. I really love the different perspectives! My view in the decision, is perhaps… perhaps it’s the safest one… BUT, in Dales own words, “This is a boys life! That deserves more than a 5 minute conversation!”. I think the decision to kill him didn’t even need to take place within 24 hours. I feel that letting him go is unsafe and the wrong decision, but I still feel killing him doesn’t feel right. Perhaps it takes a week to decide, at least then everyone can collect their emotions, thoughts, and process a decision which takes more than 24 hours to make!
Such a tough moral decision. But I think I’d argue for a direct in between. Keep on detained and watched until we are more informed on our options. This then sits nicely between being completely safe, and completely immoral!
@@DanReadd Honestly I can agree! I definitely think their decision was rushed, and the way they went about it almost made it seem like they thought killing a living human wasn’t that big of a deal. Which, it definitely is a big deal- and is something that should only be done with provocation. It’s fair to argue that he was also young, because if he’d gone to school with Maggie he could be anywhere from 18 - 22. Which as a father, Rick likely also felt uneasy toward killing him for that reason in itself.
Do I think he would’ve done anything bad if they’d let him live? Probably not. He seemed scared, and like he was willing to follow whatever authority he could so long as he would stay alive. But the thing is that it’s hard to decide something so large based off of instinct, or loose thoughts- you need to go off the facts. He was apart of a group who tried to kill them, he admitted that his group raped women: Rick is a man of the law, or he was- though I still think that part of him is there. It’s unsafe for him to risk that regardless of the circumstances. And I absolutely loved Dale’s character, especially because how he upheld his morals and didn’t let the world change him. And I do think that a mans life is worth more than a short discussion. The problem is that so many people within the group didn’t want to know about the execution that would take place, they just wanted it done. I feel like it’s more fair to question the groups morality, than it is to question Rick’s leadership.
I also do want to mention that I’m completely biased because I watched Rick’s character evolution for the last 11 years of my life. So he definitely is a character I hold near and dear to my heart. To me, he’s a great leader. But.. every leader makes bad decisions, because it takes mistakes/ trial and error to become the best you can. I just wanted to make sure that was taken into consideration because as much as I try and be unbiased- there’s always going to be that little nudge of bias toward my opinions! Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts on the show and it’s really interesting to dissect differentiating perceptions! Keep it up Dan! :)
Hershel made me cry when he gave Glenn that watch.
I was with Dale. My thoughts at the time were that they could lock the kid up, and, as he is young and impressionable, over time he could integrate with the community. But there is no mechanism set up for that. They need some sort of political structure. At what point do they create that structure and how?
I think Carol was of the mind that Rick & Company had already made up their minds up and she didn't want any part of it. Plus, I think she is still in the battered spouse's mindset of letting others make decisions for her. Just as Rick is trying to demonstrate that he can make the hard decisions to protect his family, I think Lori is trying to demonstrate that she is going to back Rick no matter what. She's had both Shane and Andrea in her head.
I was so upset with Dale's death. That "Sorry, Brother" killed me. I thought, "Oh no, they have lost their moral compass."
Not that they were actually listening to Dale....
Yeah I agree with everything you’re saying to be honest. The thing about this whole situation that I’m troubled by, is the idea of killing him so soon. Dale even said, killing him doesn’t change that there are 30 potentially revenge ridden, and Ill-minded people ready to pounce. So keeping him locked up seems like morally the best thing to do. I feel that even tho imprisoning someone isn’t moral, when we consider the alternatives, it potentially weighs up as the middle ground between unsafe and immoral.
you are one of the very few reactors who doesn't blame/hate on Carl for Dale's death...
this shows we can be sad for losing a good character and still be empathetic towards a kid..
Also from another perspective.. they live in a world with no laws to protect them.. a world that brings bad side of people.. and it's on you to protect your loved ones... so if the time comes when you have to chose one whose blood would we rather have on our hand?? our friends and family or a stranger??
I get it... totally the wrong thing to do.. but still a difficult decision to make...
I’m actually so surprised I’m one of few?! Like how can you blame Carl? He’s a curious, young boy, trying to explore an unprecedented world by himself. His parents are rightly occupied (hmm most of the time.), and he’s always going to try and grow up by himself!
@@DanReadd ya.. i always found the criticism/hate carl got very sad.. yes he did something stupid like most kids do.. we did stupid things too.. the difference is he lives in a world where stupidity might cost life.. it's not his fault that he lives in a world where he can't afford being a kid..
I can understand the frustration with carl in this episode.. but not the direct blame of getting dale killed.. it's not like he murdered him or knowingly did something to kill him.. how could he know what consequences his actions would have..
@@amichakraborty2770 spot on!
It's literally Carl's fault that Dale died.
@@jesses5463No, it isn't...not even remotely.
You said you didn't know what to think and I say that's the beauty of the show
Agree!
Dale wasn't my favorite character, not even close, but I didn't want him to be gutted by a Walker. I love how Daryl stepped in and took over for Rick to put down Dale.
You say that Rick was influenced by Shane but as Dale was walking around talking to everyone he wanted his point to go through so much that he was telling people how they should feel. You are as well saying it is a wrong decision to just kill Randall. We met Randall as he was trying to kill Rick, Hershel and Glenn but than our group saved him. They gave him a chance by going 18 miles out but that was messed up when they found out that he knew Maggie which set back Rick’s plan. That leaves us with getting information from him and deciding if we should kill Randall or not to keep the group safe. Rick wanted to take the night but than that got extended when he talked to Dale and became a discussion so that everyone could way in. Rick may not come right out and say it but his constant back and forth with the decision to kill Randall was shown throughout this whole episode whereas Shane was just like we kill him and it is problem solved. Sometimes what Shane says plays on repeat in Rick’s mind like with Sophia and the barn but Rick is always thinking ahead and for the future well being and safety of the group not just for himself and Lori and Carl. Lori may not have agreed with the death penalty in a civilized world and agreed that Rick was making the best decision for the group but civilization is gone and trying to hold onto your humanity by Dale’s standards is not plausible in this world.
Facts!🤷♀️💯
Behind the scenes, Dale actor wasn't pleased with the firing of Frank Darabont (he is friends with him) so he left.
AMC, the network that produces the show was cheating the shows developer Frank Darabont, out of money so he left. The actor who plays Dale was a friend of his and left the show in solidarity. He asked to be killed off. Just FYI, Darabont sued and won a fortune in the case.
That’s some loyalty right there. Glad his friend also won his case! It seems as much as there are piranhas in the apocalypse, they are just as many (just more hidden) in the real world 😢
A lot of people love to bring up the moral compass bs, but fail to realize if they let that kid go they all would have gotten killed. That kid was looking for ways to manipulate people and escape back to his group the entire time he was in the barn. The way he talked about what happened to those girls and their dad was sick. He definitely didn’t just “watch.” The fact that he didn’t snitch on his group immediately even though they abandoned him and Daryl was about to torture him shows he was still loyal. Dale honestly would have gotten the group killed if he didn’t die when he did. But the message he left behind was important even though he took it too the extreme. Ideally you should reach a balance of trust and being able to do what needs to be done.
This was one of the hardest episodes up to this point. Second only to Sophia in the barn. Very sad and very hard episode. 😪😪
Yeah 😭
I cried so much. I loved Dale's character. There was never another character like Dale in the series. He was so full of heart and was part of the original group. This death hurt so much because of how good Dale was.
Love your reactions. I was the same way, I felt attached and so my emotions ran high while watching. I would get so involved and felt a part of the group. My sister and I would often talk for hours after some episodes as we tried to decompress and sometimes to just decide what we would do. I never had a show get me so involved
This is definitely a new level of investment for me!
I was sad about Jacqui's death, I liked her even though we only had her a for such a short time. Sophia's death was a shock, but it was written on the wall. Dale's passing, however...damn, he was the first loss that hit my guts. Too bad Jeffrey DeMunn wanted to quit, but at least he went out with a bang. RIP Dale. Well, literally...
That kid was trying to kill them, they should have left him when he fell on the fence. If someone was shooting at me I'd get the hell out of there regardless if they got themselves stuck while trying to kill me. I wouldn't trust that kid to bring his friends back and kill all the people I care about. He is a threat, a big one. He isn't just a random innocent kid off the street. He is with really bad people and was trying to kill our group back at the bar.
It sucks since dales actor quit after they fired Frank Darabont
”I’m sorry brother”❤
😢
Shane was probably having a dance party in his head 😂
Tbh 😝
I never felt that Andrea was actually siding with Dale in that moment. She seemed very sure that the kid needed to die. I think she was just feeling bad for Dale on his own, and she knew that her siding with Dale wouldn't actually change the vote.
Notice how Daryl stepped up to help Rick when killing Dale was too much for him. When Sofia came out of the barn Shane just stood off to the side and made Rick shoot her. Again, Dale is dying and Shane stands off to the side. He is either a coward or he is trying to push Rick into the leadership position. If that’s the case, why doesn’t Shane just take the leadership role? Ahhh, this show! I just LOVE all the moral dilemmas and drama!
This was a rough one to get through. I'm really liking your reactions though, so it makes it a bit less terrible to watch Dale die. Again. Keep up the amazing work!
Thanks mate 😊 love the regular comments on the videos!
Even after watching this episode for the 50th time, I'm still bawling with tears streaming down my face. Dale was a real one, an absolute fave. I'm not mad at Rick for going back and forth on killing Randall, he truly never wanted to kill the kid, it's Shane who is the devil on his shoulder making him question if he can protect the group. You have to remember that Rick & Shane were partners so he's still trusting and respecting Shane's advice thinking Shane still has good intentions when we the audience know he doesn't. I feel for Rick here and Lori should step up and give Rick a definitive answer on what he should do but we rarely get that from her. She's always "what you choose is best" which is not true, Rick is a great leader but he also needs guidance too.
i think carl wandering out in the woods was also him trying to prove himself, trying to prove that he's not the scared little kid everyone makes him out to be, he wants to be strong like his dad and prove that he's capable of being brave like the adults, like yes he's a kid but he's tired of being treated like one.
this episode was one of the saddest episodes for me for season 2, mainly because of dale. I loved dale a whole lot
I really loved him too 😭
18:35, I watched this episode when I was like 10-12 years old, I cant remember anymore but out of the whole show this is the ONLY scene that genuinely freaked me out after watching it '^'
I cried so hard on Dales death..especially because he was so sad and felt like everyone was against him when he died 😢 and then Daryls "I'm sorry brother."
19:55 Yup I felt tthat way too
Nope. I don’t think they could safely let Randall live. Daryl picks up on a lot of things others don’t. After he questioned Randall, he was sure that Randall would betray them. There is no way I would have let him live.
They definitely could have found a way
@@jacobsheber6803I would really love to hear what exactly the way is that you think they could've found? Because to us it's a show and we know the important characters wouldn't just die, but to the characters it's their reality and any mistakes could've led them to death. They weren't working on some scientific experimental projects where they were given time and money to figure everything out without having to worry about anything. They were in the apocalypse and they needed to think about everything: food, water, walkers, tensions between their own and some unkown strangers' group who were pedos and robbers that almost killed some of their own people and one of their guys was in that farm which he clearly knew the location of. How could they have taken the time to work something out without carrying extremely high risks of getting killed?
@@flamingmonkey7712 they could have kept him with them. They have a farm and clearly could have kept him fed. He's just a kid, he could have became a good guy
Walking Dead is a relentless and unapologetic look at what would happen if society collapsed. Sometimes even the good guys are trying to survive and make the best choices when there are really no good ones.
Actually the '18 miles out' wasn't such a bad idea but the plan just went wrong because of Shane fighting with Rick.
it was a great plan until Shane fucked it up as always lol
@@iRival20 Yes it was, I guess Rick forgot his crystal ball with all that was going on lol
It was a good plan but he was dumb and talked too much
One of the nice reasons of watching this show with you, was seeing Dale again. I cried when Daryl shot him. I'm glad he did though. It was compassionately done. Poor Dale would've been in so much pain. I'm also glad he didn't die alone plus he got to see Andrea again before he died. I'll miss him all over again, now. Carl is at that age where he's starting to head butt, eg old bull v young bull. When I look back at myself at a similar age, as the eldest child, I would describe myself as a bulldozer lol. 😀 Carl was a bugga, heading off and playing with that walker. The look of horror on Carl's face when he recognized the walker was heart breaking. What a load for a kid to carry. No, Dale's death is not Carl's fault. I hope he doesn't blame himself. In this world, Dale should never had gone on his own at night time. He should know that.
When it comes to the captured young bloke, I can see both sides but I tell you, I was trying to work out a way of keeping him alive. By the time the episode finished, I still couldn't make my mind up, nor come up with a plan to safely, keep him and our group alive. I'm glad my vote, either way, wasn't required. Whew! I need a cuppa. Thanks for reaction and I'm looking forward to your next one. 🙂
Theres still so much more to see cant wait to watch
Imagine if the characters were sent back in time to redo the whole Randall thing. Would've left him impaled on the fence. 😆
I remember that dale's death really make me cry. Ik that there is alot of death already on the show since s1 but dale death really hit my feeling hard when first watch the show.
The actor who played Dale wanted to leave the show so they had to write him out
Oh really? Damn
If it will make you feel better, Dale wanted to leave the show and everyone wants a great death on the show. The show runner changed hands and he was not on board. I'm loving to see your heart on the good happy episodes and the really sad, bad and a big WHY?
Why wasn’t Lori watching Carl when the group were about to executed Randall? What the f*ck was Lori even doing?
I think we all know Lori would rather play with dirt than take any sort of responsibility for Carl😭
One of the reasons why Dale was killed off was because the actor wanted to leave the show somehow.
This show is merciless! Anyone is up for grabs so to speak! I was so mad when Dale died! He was one of my fave characters. He was the moral voice of the group!
You need a Dale in your group, otherwise the group falls
Dude, you wouldn't kill that guy? There is no option.
There is an option. We weren't able to see it
dale 😭😭😭
😭
I would love to see you open Patreon for S3 onward .. I can’t say much bc I don’t want to spoil but your reactions will keep getting more and more epic as you progress in the show !! Consider it!!
I’ve always thought about making one! The only issue I have though is the idea of uploading full episodes of a show doesn’t sit too well with me morally, idk it’s hard to explain!
@@DanReadd you are a rare breed of goodness! I completely get what you are saying. I am too old and too jaded to be this morally intact! But - maybe never change. 🙃 as Dale would say letting go of our humanity is a choice! ☝️
@@DanReadd Yeah, don't do it cause then the YT videos would get behind and the mods can't moderate on patreon.
Comic spoiler below NOT A SHOW SPOILER but a COMIC spoiler.
In the comics Dale didn’t die here he died in another 3-4 show seasons times
Never apologize for sporting Spongebob!! 😂
The messed up thing is that the reason they had to kill of Dale is because the actor left because one of his friends was fired, he regretted it after but it was too late. I am glad they used his comic death for someone else though
Damn thats a dope shirt! Where did ya get it?
I actually cannot remember 😝 the crazy thing is, I swear I remember an old PlayStation game looking identical to the characters on this shirt.
I enjoy watching other peoples perspectives. So many people think we could be killing machines in an apocalypse situation & not feel anything. I think many more people would feel like yourself than want to admit. ✌🏽
Daryl being the one to take care of Dale is so poignant to me as the last person that Dale spoke to. Daryl so far has been a quiet almost background character when compared to the "strong guys" of the group (Rick and Shane), but he's slowly showing he can be relied on as a member of the group and not an outsider that may or may not help.
STAY IN THE HOUSE, CARL!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah! That works, lol
It sucks that if they hadn’t pushed the creator frank darabont out of production we would have got a lot more of dale, the actor (the incredible jerrrey demunn) asked to be killed off because he was good friends with frank and so upset and disappointed with how he was treated. Also holy shit Greg nicotero is a incredible director. I’ve just discovered this channel and I’m so excited coz I love the walking dead, broadchuch and the killing
This 44 yo woman loves your shirt. Take it or leave it. :)
So does this 58 yo. 😀
It’s so cool right?! 😝
@@DanReadd it sure is! Sweet as.
Honestly I agree with everything you've been talking about except for this one. Morally I agree with you on how wrong it is to kill the guy, but what options are there for Rick's group, without risking their own lives? If something like this actually happens sometimes it won't matter what you think it's fair, unfair, right or wrong, just because someone can read super deeply into things and be very fair and moral doesn't mean he can reach perfection of balance between morality and surviving. In this case I don't see how they can treat the kid fairly and keep themselves safe at the same time, and risking their own lives is surely not worth it from their own perspective.
But on the other hand, I really like Dale. In my eyes Rick's group needed someone like Dale as the pure moral role as much as they needed some cruelty and survival skills at the same time. Lacking of either would've got them killed or fallen apart or ending up killing each other in my opinion
We all hated to see Dale die. They know people are a danger and it is so dangerous to take people in. You are right that the better thing is to give people a chance. You should never apologize for how the episodes make you feel. The show would not be so popular if it didn't bring out emotions. Characters will make bad or surprising decisions along the way. Humans are complex which makes them imperfect and hopefully these characters try to make wise decisions in the future.
This ep 🥲
gone the conscience of the group
In today's episode in WHERE THE HELL IS COROLS PARENTS?!
hahaha.
Everyone was upset over Dale.
I blame carl for dale's death, i wasn't even a big fan of dale but i didn't want him to die tbh.
❤
😊
I'm sorry, but Dale was wrong about Randall. He was a threat, and he needed to be eliminated. This is the apocalypse. He tried to kill them in the first place, they should never have saved him.
Again he's just a kid. Imagine if the people gave a gun to a 12 year old and told him to shoot at you, if you captured him, would you kill him?
@@jacobsheber6803This is a very good question. But what if you see ten 12-year-old kids running at you and your beloved families firing an AK47 in each of their hands and there's absolutely no way for you and your families to run away, wouldn't you fight back?
Dale had just watched the movie 12 Angry Men a few times too many. I'm so glad he died. He was a major liability for the group.
Walking Dead is a horror show and Daniel, you don't horror. But, you will......
I really liked Dale 😪
Sorry but Randall would have to go. Its either him or my family and it damn sure aint gonna be my family.
As far as Randall, I say Take the shot...clean...in the brain. Daryl can hit a turkey between the eyes from any distance. I never liked Dale so his death didn't affect me. MVP is Daryl for putting Dale to rest.
Agreed although I respected Dale I think he was being unrealistic about the world they were living in. The mercy killing should have happened in town when he was impaled and left to a horrible death by his " friends", the rapists. In my opinion that would have been a humane act.
I loved him… but you’re right. Daryl taking that on his shoulders, to protect the others in his group is so underrated. Love him.
Dale is probably my 2nd favorite characters behind rick. Dale is a person you need to have in a group. If you dont, then you would kill so many people that dont deserve it
Im sure we will never go through a zombie apocalypse, but if we did...no offense but you are way too soft. Executing Randall was the right call. He was a threat...if he ever got out it would have been the end of them. Like Dale, your mind is not adapting to the fact that the old ways do not apply. I agree that letting Randall live is the morally correct thing to do, but morality would be a luxury in this situation.
You are also totally misreading Rick(as Im sure you know by now) He would have never killed due to "peer pressure" from Shane. He did decide at the beginning of the episode that killing Randall was the right move. He obviously changed his mind later(needless to say if this was S3 or after he would never have even brought him back to the farm)
Sorry, I know I am a bit late, but just discovered this channel recently.
It's pretty clear that you wouldn't last very long in this world.
I feel like you would kill anyone that you saw in an apocalypse. Good and bad
@@jacobsheber6803 No good and no bad. All gray. Gotta do what you gotta do.
Dale was annoying fr he didn't know how to survive in the apocalypse
😢
You are so wrong. You're the kind of person that would kill anyone to save yourself. The way you talk, you are definitely a villan
The loss of Dale never bothered me. He always thought he was right and didn’t want to hear anyone else out in my opinion. I think they should have got rid of the boy. The way he looked when telling the story, he looked odd. The way he acted with Carl also he can’t be trusted. And who said they are civilized? It’s the end of the world. If they were civilized they wouldn’t just be expecting to stay on Herschel’s farm, if a stranger helps you do you just decide to stay at their house? No. Times are changing and they have to change with the times or they will not survive
People like Dale are the reason people are good in the world. Lose people like him, many more people will die
That death of Dale was one of the most satisfying of the show bc he always put his nose in everybody's bis.
Because he was a good man. He was the best man in the group. He cared for everyone. If you only care for yourself then you're not a good person