Should You Buy or Rent Your Modem?
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I bought my own modem, then got service with AT&T. I told them I don't need their rental modem since I have my own. They said ok. 2 years later when I switched service, they charged me $120 fee for not returning "their modem". I didn't pay it.
John Plissken same here but it was spectrum and they sent it to collections. Stupidly annoying.
I'm curious. How were you able to use your own modem? When I had AT&T DSL, I could use almost any DSL modem. But when I got some weird hybrid U-Verse system, I was only able to use the modem they gave me.
@@JJFlores197 It seems they no longer allow it, but they did at the time. The policy was changed in Feb. 2015.
forums.att.com/t5/AT-T-Internet-Equipment/Uverse-Compatible-Modems/td-p/4317372
AT&T is garbage. I had dish for several years and the AT&T bought it. They completely screwed up Dish by shoehorning a PC interface into it that was almost completely useless with the Dish Box. I dumped them and went back to cable using a Tivo.
@@MAGAMAN WTF are you talking about?! Dish Network is not and never has been owned by AT&T. Dish is an independent company not owned by any other.
*Just use ur Neighbor's Wifi*
*no thats stealing*
They kept kicking me off :(
Never subbed, never donated, using adblock, using a stolen laptop, using neighbor's WiFi,watching free content.
Fuck you
@@Potat0 absolute mad lad
why would you rent a MODEM?
1.: Didn't know you could buy one
2.: Don't wanna have to set one up
3.: Don't know how to set one up, and don't wanna learn how to
4.: ISP won't let you use the bought one
5.: Too lazy to even care
Well many companies like Optimum will charge you regardless for a modem fee even if you use your own. I contacted and asked and that's literally what they told me.
@@aeinarrkrigsson Correct! I work at an ISP and we employ #4 as well as people lose them to lightning on a regular basis where we are so leasing them usually ends up cheaper for the customer honestly.
As he explained, the companies can profit from people who don't want to buy their own internet equipment or don't know enough about it to know they can buy it.
@@MohammedRedwan now that's a straight up lie, unless you haven't returned the modem you got from them
Bought a modem when I started service from Wave. I paid about $100 to avoid a $10/mo rental fee. after about 18 months we moved out of Wave coverage area so I sold the modem for $60. Better, faster modem than the rental, used my own high-end wireless router and ended up saving about $140. Pretty much a no-brainer.
They rent modems?
ATT forces you to
Matthew Prather I'm from EU and I'm on Telemach rn. (part of the United Group network ).
Savages.
In Mexico they literally give dsl modems away for free and even if you cancel immediately or they never come to your home to install it (happens more than you think and I seriously don't know why they give it to you instead of giving it to the technician who should install it).
You can't return them even if you want to. I got 4 if then lying around and asked if I could recycle one, but no; here, have a new one.
Cable providers and others just lease you the modem and after you cancel you have return it... or wait and they will come to pick it up. Prices are fixed and they won't let you use any other kind of modem.
4G on the other hand you have to buy your modem...or use a BAM (4G to Wi-Fi portable device or modem/router) ... or can be cheap as dirt like me and use tethering. 15 usd a month for unlimited calls, messages and 20mbps speed data (limited to 10gb per day then they throttle your speed). Good bless thy Virgin Mobile Mexico.
Oscar in my case they just get to your house with a modem install it and that s it. I m currently in 45/1mbps on cable but I could upgrade to 150/5mbps and then you get a better modem.
@@gasper5223 I'm on Telemach aswell :D
*Buy it because they over-price the rent shite!*
Paladins Rage exactly.
and its suprisingly cheap to get your own, you dont even need to get what they give, just something that works for your uses. i paid like 85 for a router thats lasted 3 years so far, no issues. paid itself off in like 8 months
Hmm... wouldn’t work for everyone. I’ve got a fiber connection and gigabit. The routers and switches etc all combined are over 500€! But Renting them is 7€ a month
Max B yea it’s appears as far as tech costs go we have it really good in the US. Also not sure what that converts to but I would pay around 200 for a modem and router when I get gigabit.
Or just leave the US. No rental fees in Europe or any other civilised country for that matter 😜
Ok Google, what my wifi password?
Its your better half's birthday... Good luck lol.
@@darrylelam256 Joke's on you, I have no better half, lol!
That doesn’t work I tried it
"is"
You forgot to put " is" between " what" and " my ". English, try it.
Linus looks very young
He's only like 30.
*Yaa I noticed that*
*He's a father of two lol*
@@purekeynoob he's actually 33
@@suborgtfo.4433 33 is like 30.
@@suborgtfo.4433 He actually has THREE kids.
My internet provider gave me the modem for free. I just pay for the internet, the modem is either included in the internet price or it's free.
Its often included it the base price, but you can often get them to lower the price if you have your own. My internet fee is dirt cheap because I own my own that paid for its self a good 2 years ago
Hi Norma, be careful that you are not under a promotion that is giving you a free rental for 1-2 years then they will start charging a rental fee. I'm not saying that this is the case but it is possible.
@@pagegreg42 in finland they give free modems without any charging fee and they even give u never one if they are changing something
No internet provider lets you use THEIR modem for free kid. They never have, and they never will. Who are you trying to fool here?
@@motoryzen i wonder where u live if thats not the case, to me its seems odd not to get free modem with internet. Its like if u didnt get bucket when u buying paint
If 40 mb/s is slow by today's standards, I must be living in the stone age with my 10 mb/s down.
try 1mbps
8mb/s down for me
60kb/s for me
I'm still stuck with the often 500K because I'm dirt cheap. At least it's reliable and rarely drops out!
I would hate having anything less than 200 down
Ive had a modem for qbout 10 years and it still works just fine, i saved myself around 900 dollars
I'm a cable guy.... ALWAYS buy your own.
with any type of modem do you have to subscribe to AT&T, Xfinity, and other various internet and cable providers? or you don't have to do all that?
@@MicCheckMemoirs You still need an internet provider even if you buy your own modem. You just save on the rental fee and get to choose a better modem than what is normally provided.
James Dodds ahhh. Good to know
Some providers don't even allow you to buy your own, they force you to rent it.
I just use my mobile phone's 4GLTE data patched into a router, no renting no price increases. Goodbye cable, hello mobile router! www.amazon.com/KuWFi-802-11AC-1200Mbps-2-4-5-0GHz-Wireless/dp/B0827G5RNX
@@BillAnt that's at&t
I'd recommend buying your own router/modem without a doubt. The stuff your ISP gives you is crap, and you can probably get faster WiFi by buying your own awesome router!
Uhm.. I didn't know you can rent modems
Lease would be a more accurate term.
Pls...dont say that 40mbit are slow...i life in germany...
I know that feeling
8 Mbit/s... yay... Danke Telekom
i get 3mbs in the US
I get 20 Mbps on a good day, and I live in the US.
We pay for 12mbps, we get up to 11 mbps occasionally. Usually, it's more like 5. We rent an old house (well, old for the US anyway - I know there's *much* older houses in Germany) and our phone lines don't support faster internet. And because 12 mbps is the fastest DSL offers here, cable feels free to offer only 15 mbps (for $20 more - plus a 2 yr contract that doubles in cost in the 2nd yr. Oh and it goes out randomly for no reason and getting anyone out to fix it is ridiculously impossible as their "customer service" reps will just gaslight you and pretend it's just something you're doing wrong).
Me: oh a new tech TH-camr
Also Me: oh wait it’s Linus
Haha, stop making these cliché comments.
A few years ago, I bought my own DOCICS 3.0 cable modem and a high end Netgear wireless AC dual band router w/ 1000MBS Ethernet. I am not sure what the rental fee for the modem from Time Warner/ Spectrim was, but more than 8, lets say $10. So in 10 months I got my money back, and now am saving that fee. Also another benefit that Linus did not mention is that you never know who had the Modem before you, did they take care of it? Or did they smoke around it, drop it, throw it, have bugs in the house who made the Modem their home, etc???
It's interesting how internet connections differ between the US/Canada and the UK. In the UK, most ISPs rely on the infrastructure of one company. Most ISPs will also give you a free router/modem/Wireless AP combo box. But should you wish to set up your own kit (eg. shove an Edgerouter in) then you can get a modem to handle the DSL connection from anywhere and just plug it in. Draytek ones are recommended, but you can buy the official model that the infrastructure company (Openreach) give out for as little as £15
The best $200 I've ever spent was buying my own Modem and Router. Haven't had to do a reset since.
what router do you have
@@TheYaq Router is www.asus.com/us/Networking/RT-AC1750-B1/
Modem is www.netgear.com/home/products/networking/cable-modems-routers/CM500.aspx
We only have 200 Mb available in my area unfortunately.
How long have you had it?
Do you have to pay a monthly service?
@@xvsn7777 of couse you still have to pay to your ISP
even if you own it, you don't control the firmware.
yep..
DD-WRT
The ISP use TR-069 protocol to keep them up to date for most cases.. If you buy a brand that your ISP uses you probably will get firmware updates as well.
@@geogmz8277 It's not about updates to firmware. It's the fear that the ISP can do anything to your homes network, they control everything.
Speak for yourself.
since two years in Germany there is the so called "routerfreiheit" (routerfreedom) meaning the isp's can't force you to use their crappy modem and have to make sure that every normal router is supported.
However, I have to rent mine at Vodafone Germany as this option is linked with other benefits I need. (4 parallel telephone numbers, needed for Business)
@@BeCreativePictures and with magenta hybrid you are forced to go with renting a router too because no other is able to handle LTE and DSL :/
cough *modem* cough hack wheezzzzz
Ugh, I wish it could be done in Poland.
Here, you cant change modem because you cant, "its not supported". I mean, they give you quite good one, but you dont have access to settings(they won't tell you login and password for router's website at 192.168.1.1). You cant do port forwarding, you cant configure sharing drives(usb 3.0 on the back), 2.4 and 5Ghz are separate networks etc.
@@igorordecha Have you tried disabling the isp's branding? I 'unlocked' and reset my 1&1 HomeServer via FTP and can now use it as a repeater for my WiFi network.
Bruh you lots isps are weird in comparison to EU and the UK
xCamz _ you're wrong. The ones that ISPs provide are modem/router combinations.
@@Yellowflock33 no, they're the same modem/router combos we have here in UK
They think 40 is shockingly slow but that's like one of our fastest options... except for virgin Media who don't service most areas
@@MetalFolf I purposely only let the wife view houses to buy that were in virgin areas lol. Been with it since it was Blueyonder. Couldn't be without my 350Mbps
I like that you are already differentiating between EU and UK. Remember, so far you're still in^^
Now, it's just "included" in the monthly fee. No choice. Thanks Spectrum! I don't know better.
Not surprised. The same folks who told me twice that if I returned the extra cable box I didn't need, my bill would actually go up because it would break the bundle. I ended up letting it gather dust in a closet until I eventually moved.
I bought my own modem after getting tired Spectrum was charging me a "rental" fee. I grabbed a name brand modem from their list of compatible ones. They decided to double my speed for free and I was not getting that said speed. I call and they gave me the line, "Sir, it is your modem." Wow. Oldest support trick in the book. They offered me a free modem, so I took it and sure enough it was fine. How ironic that they told me which model to buy and then stopped supporting it when they double my speed. Come on Google Fiber. Please get to my neighborhood so I can end my misery with Spectrum.
"ADSL is less common" - except in Australia of course. >< :)
I bought my cable modem. Of course, before you buy the modem, do your research and buy the modem they say is compatible with their service.
Correct! I've been researching this and you need to see which are compatible with your provider ( xfinity for example has this list -
www.xfinity.com/support/devices/#auth
Isps rent modems because they have a monopoly. The ones they give you are weak old and expensive
@Fman1292 and I bet it's still shit, as far as range. Routers are what matters.
Biggest issue with a non-rented modem is some companies will ALWAYS try to blame it for connection issues. Took months to actually get a tech who knew what he was doing (identified that wiring causing the line to pick up interference from a radio station) and then finally send a tech to fix it.
Yes I had same issues with my old ISP. Internet service would cut out and they would so oh well we cannot ping your modem because it’s not ours… absolute garbage excuse lol
Came here to see this. I put up with the modem rental fee because it's better than constantly having them try to blame my modem if something doesn't work right.
Had the exact problem with xfinity. Blamed it on my modem and made me call netgear support. When I did, netgear made me pay for a premium support package to even access the modem. After that, they told me it was an ISP problem. I just had enough, and after a while, I just leased a modem from xfinity, and that's how it is now.
Since third-party modems can't communicate with the xfinity diagnostic tools, it kind of screws anyone with issues since it can't detect line problems and the tech support people can't run their usual tests.
updates to your video from an actual Docsis Engineer who has worked on hundreds of ISP's networks throughout the US and Canada.
1) Typically the modems they offer/support come down to cost (how expensive is it for me to obtain these), can i get support for them (small isp's wont care but big isp's like to be able to get vendor support when needed and big isp's will only allow modems that they can actually get firmware updates for as THEY have to push it to your modem. You can't update your modems own firmware ), extra features, and are they actually good modems (some modems have lots of security vulnerabilities or just simply aren't as good as they might be 3rd party or something).
2) Modem router combo's aren't bad. For example the standard combo box offered by Comcast is amazing. You cant buy it as its offered only to Comcast.. so in turn the vendor has customer firmware specifically for them making it operate better than your average modem that's open to the market. its dual channel and supports 802.11ac and lots of other stuff. It will be cheaper in the long run to own your own though..
3) Linux, your info on 3.1 is wrong. Docsis 3.1 is 10 gigs down and about 1.5 gigs up.. FULL DUPLEX docsis is 10gigs down and 10gigs up(nobody is planning to go full docsis so dont get your hopes up. The big isp's are already in process of moving away from cable modems.) there are many isp's that support 3.1 and are currently using it. Comcast for example already pushes docsis3.1 in their markets. 3.0 is not very good for gigabit speed.. its one of those best case scenario type of situations. in order for you to get 1 gig on 3.0 you literally have to use over 50% of all 32 downstream channels (if your isp even has 32 channels).. not including what bandwidth other customers are using. SO 3.1 is actually way better for gigabit speed.. as it uses an OFDM channel. So if your isp has 3.1 and you want speeds faster than id say 500 megs.. id highly recommend a 3.1 modem if supported.
4) finally, (and not sure if that was a joke or not but) Comcast does not suck. there are isps' in the united states who still have a single T1 line for their connection to the rest of the world.. so their hundred of so customers.. have to share that 1.5 megs of traffic.. There are ISP's who have congestion issues that can easily be fixed and simply wont and have known about it for years. There are ISP's who get hit by DOS attacks on a weekly basis because they wont secure their network. And after having worked with Comcast all i can say is.. NICE! They definatley know what their doing.
Do you think this router that i bought is not good?www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Nighthawk-Internet-C7100V-services/dp/B01M1AOEDA/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
@@MrSilv55 As long its they support it, it will work fine. to be honest you could even go with a cheaper modem and get the same results.. now how good the wifi is "might" differ slightly depending on the brand.. but if wifi is that important.. i highly recommend getting a cheaper Stand-alone modem.. and run a wifi mesh setup.. WAY better wifi.
but directly connected every modem will give the exact same speeds "whatever you pay for".
Comcast router and modem combo was shit. Kept dropping connections, speed that was slower than i was paying for, and over all a bad experience. Bought my own modem and router and i NEVER NEVER DROP connection and have the full speed I'm paying for. Comcast modems/router is shit.
Comcast propaganda
My last modem and router cost about $60 each and lasted for about 5 years. Comcast charges $10 a month so we've probably saved around $500. This year we got a shiny new modem / router for $80 each and it's been great. 32 channels does help.
Before you buy your own stuff, it's important to know what speeds your ISP is giving you for your package. Comcast tried to call us a few times claiming we needed to upgrade our modem (despite the fact that our plan was not above it's max download speed at the time.) Also, keep receipts as proof that you do in fact own your own equipment. I've never had an issue, but other people claim Comcast charged them rental fees when they owned their own router / modem.
The cables going to my house only support 40Mb/s 😢
Yonatan Avhar 15 MB’s here
Remember -if you do buy your own modem and use Xfinity,keep the receipt till the end of time. i had a modem that they kept charging me for and I could not prove it was mine,so i returned it to them(not even theirs) just to save the fee. i had only paid 5 bucks for it used and it full well could have been theirs originally.
Usually the newer Xfinity modem’s that are provided by Comcast will say on them property of Comcast made with love in Philadelphia
Most isps in the uk give you the modem for free not as rent
I don't buy that one bit. How much do you pay for monthly home internet and what are the actual upstream and downstream speeds you receive consistently?
@@motoryzen Virgin Media 110 Mbps down, 7 Mbps up both on average, no rental.
tpcs, for us, we get 58mb download, 18 upload for £25 per month unlimited data and that includes a modem/router as is common in the U.K. which will increase the speed as openreach upgrades the network
I know if in a virgin area they do 300/300 fibre optic with unlimited data for £35 with modem/router.
@@motoryzen The speeds you get is very dependent on what you pay. As someone that lives in the UK, getting modems for free is just normal. It seems odd that a company would sell you internet and not include the necessary hardware to use it. It's not like it's included in the internet fees either as they don't expect it back if you change providers.
I think it's a matter of what's expected. If a company started charging for modem rental here that would be outrageous. Whereas in the US it's normal so why wouldn't companies do it
You are paying for that modem whether they tell you or not.
Well We rent the modem from the ISP. It's pretty cheap (5€) and their routers happen to break once in a while. Basicly we would have to pay nearly 2 years to pay as much as for the regular modem.
Allready broke once and it gets replaced directly without question.
In the Netherlands you just get it for free.. xD And a pretty good one with wifi AC build in lol.
In Mexico they literally give dsl modems away and free, even if you cancel immediately or they never come to your house to install it (it happens more than you think it would and I don't know why they give it to you instead to the technician who installs it). You can't return them even if you want to (I got 4 if then lying around and asked if I could recycle one, but no; here, have a new one). Cable providers and others just lease you the modem and once you cancel you have return it or wait and they will come to pick it up. Prices are fixed and won't let you use any other kind of modem.
4G on the other hand you have to buy your modem...or use a BAM (4G to Wi-Fi portable device)... Or be cheap as dirt like me and use tethering. 15 usd a month for 20mbps unlimited calls, messages and data (limited to 10gb a day then they throttle your speed). Good bless thy Virgin Mobile Mexico.
Seems to be a Europe thing. I'm in Germany and my rent is free for the first two years. :)
the quality of your modem//router depends on your provider and on the the chosen speed, for example with ziggo:
when you have the 40mbit speed (their slowest i think) you get the "basic" model, don't get me wrong it is still a pretty good one but when you have their 500mbit you get a slightly better one.
and yes it is "free" but you are forced to use it. (but you can still disable all their functions so it only passes through your internet connection to your own chosen router if desired)
I'm from Portugal and here it's illegal for a company to rent something that you need to use the service. For example, ISP TVBoxes it's legal because they already provide the digital TV signal on the coaxial, so if i want a TVBOX i have to pay for it.
@@FSXPilot14 that problem is somewhat related to their "shared free wifi" that all customers are able to use when enabled on your own account.
my solution to that problem was simple, i don't use their functions, i use my own router for the local lan. the ziggo modem is just a pass through for me.
Question to the folks outside of Germany/Austria: Are AVM Fritzboxes a thing in your country? In our hemisphere they are pretty much standard when it comes to modems. Nearly every WiFi network in Germany is called FRITZ!Box XXXX. Even if you have never heard of AVM or Fritzbox, is there a "standard" modem type or brand present in your area like in our case?
I'm from the Netherlands, i've only seen a handfull of fritz boxes. The ISP's here seem to just buy modems from excisting brands and then run custom firmware.
Hey, It would be cool to do a follow up video: "Should you rent your Router?"
FiOS, for instance, likes to rent you your router, and benefits of buying one are obvious, but the drawbacks are a little different. If you have FiOS TV, the STBs need to talk to the FiOS Router via MoCA, for instance. So you still need their router in the chain, but could get a used one, or a MoCA->Ethernet adapter.
Could be a neat TQ in the future.
LOL acting like 40 megabits per second is slow, my house literally gets .5 megabits download and upload speed
And we live in rural Minnesota, so we only have one provider option
Rural Texas, same boat.
40 is slow in the grand scheme of things its just american internet is a special kind of bad where people get .5.
Spread this to those who don't knoe that you can buy one.
My ISP provides my router/modem for free ‾\_(ツ)_/‾
It maintains the 400 Mbps we pay for so I don't see a reason to buy my own for now
I spent around $9 to buy my modem and I have a consistent 100mbps with reasonably good range,
I don't see any benefit in renting a modem
SHOW ME YOUR WAYS PLEASE.
@@TheNerd305 It's been over 2 years since I've posted the comment. Happy to say I'm still using the same $9 modem, but upped the speeds to 300mbps. Don't rent a modem
@@pauljk-123 what modem
@@seekjesuschrist713 Tenda N301
Here in the US, Verizon have this ONT Modem installed in your house since they use fiber optic cable and on that ONT there is a Ethernet port. You can call customer service to remotely switch on the Ethernet port and basically you can use any WiFi router via Ethernet instead of cable. That what I did with mine and I never have any problem since.
But I do have an distaste of their ethics of throttling firefighter's internet and being one of two only ISP around my area.....
You should do a video on using a gateway/combo vs a separate modem and router. Personally I'm skeptical that there is a reason to spend more on getting dedicated devices vs a gateway if you aren't going to tinker and use those more advanced features, especially if, like me, you prefer having devices hardwired whenever possible.
I don't understand why we have to fight ISPs every step of the way on these things. NOW, with the advent of FTTH, things got worse. Owing partially to the rarity of Fiber equipment in a normal household (I assume) FTTH providers require you to use their ONT equipment, which makes sense actually, and isn't too bad as ISP fiber technology can get a little complex and especially if they're just offering and ONT for free, that's ok. What's bad now is that they're back to the modem/router, there are now ONT/Router/Wifi combo units and, while some of them MAYBE allow you to turn off the wifi many providers have locked "bridge mode" so you're stuck with their crappy router. (to my knowledge, Bells "home hub 4000" or whatever, which is an ONT box combined with a router/switch and Wifi AP - does not allow you to fully do bridge mode).
Oh and, with the ubiquity of Wifi, ISPs have also started this thing called "community wifi", which is basically - say there's an Apartment where everyone needs internet, rather than run cables or ftth to each apartment you just run your cable to the basement or wherever, put a giant router there and put Wifi APs all over the building. If a resident calls saying they've just moved into the building and wants internet in their apartment, you just give them a username/password on the wifi network (like a hotel or a university) and that's it. No "in home installation", no pulling cables through the wall, no Router, no modem, no equipment nothing. Even if you WANTED to you couldn't buy your own ANYTHING cuz well, there's literally no wires coming into your house, it's all just Wifi Access Points. And since MOST locations in US have an ISP monopoly, you can't really go with someone else or get a different service either, most of the time it's written into an HOA agreement that you be part of this internet service.
The ONLY exception i've seen so far in canada is beanfield who not only separate out Wifi APs from the start, but DO allow you do put their ONT box in "bridge mode" which as far as I can tell does in fact turn off ALL non ONT related functions (so no routing, IP NAT etc). But EVEN THERE, they keep calling the thing a "Fiber Router" even when talking about turning off routing functionality rather than something like "fiber terminal" or even "fiber converter" or something. Like in the sentence "If you want to use your own router, we can turn off routing on our zhone fiber router"...well then it's not a router, is it, it's obviously doing something else too.
My ISP (Shaw) offered a deal where the cable (w/router incorporated) modem rental fee ($5) is waived. In other words, it's already built into the price, which by the way increases b a couple of bucks twice a year or so.
Before I had my own router and purchased the modem (from them). That was several years ago. The router started to malfunction and was due for a change. The modem upgrade was required so to access the higher tier speeds available.
Time Warner had a featured where you can connect to various public Wi-Fi around town if you install their app on your phone. I thought this was awesome. Then I looked at the map to see where these Wi-Fi routers were. Many of them were in residential areas. Turns out if you use their provided modem, not only do you pay a monthly fee on your bill for the equipment, but you also are providing Wi-Fi to mobile devices connecting to your router via the app. I immediately returned their equipment and purchased my own. My signal coverage is so much better now.
As a cable guy, I loved this video right up until the end when my company got throw under the bus... thanks! It's fine though, the things people hate about the company are above my pay grade and I CAN fix the stuff that's my responsibility. One thing to mention though the rental fees also include replacing defective units. If its slower than usual we swap it for a new one!
It's still a rip off, how often does a modem go down, $180 rental fee a year should cover it. The whole point of Google Fiber was to force ISP's to increase their speed.😪
I’ve been a cable costumer for many years and one thing cable company failed to provide a upgraded modem router o keep up with the speed I paid for instead told me that their old modem I had was compatible years done the road all of a sudden isn’t compatible after having 7 techs come to my house finally they figured out why
I’m a Xfinity customer and they told me to swap my modem every six months to keep up with the speeds.
Rent a modem? We get one for free if we switch ISP and if you're customer already, you get a free mechanic when you have Wifi problems. LOL. Americans (and Canadians?) pay really for everything.
Radeaus Quit laughing and send paratroopers already
In Australia you can get a free modem if you sign a contract with them, but if you don't do that you'll have to rent or buy your own.
You do pay for your modem, you are just too dumb to figure it out.
@@MAGAMAN maybe i'm dumb but my phone plan and my home internet plan combined are cheaper than your modem fee(i assume you pay around $10/mo)
Odd flex but ok
Do you plan on having your internet for more than 6 months? Then buy one. The money you save will pay for the cost of the modem in 6 months and you save yourself like $50 in the first year alone. So if your modem took a dump after only a year which is incredibly unlikely, it would still be worth it.
My ISP rented me a Fritz!Box. Not gonna pay those 200€ upfront
But those Routers are great
@@sorenmatthies3464 You'll end up paying A LOT more over time by renting it
Long stupid story.
My ISP (AT&T) made us buy the modem when we got aDSL several years ago. No non-AT&T modems were allowed. A couple of years ago we had connectivity issues - which historically have always been due to the line outside the house being broken or interfered with - and the tech they sent over replaced our paid for modem with a new one to "fix" the problem, which then was a $7 a month rental. The problem persisted. Eventually after an actual repair (which once again was dealt with outside the house) I plugged our old modem back in and it worked fine. I called AT&T and told them I didn't want to use the rented one, I wanted to go back to the old one. The customer "service" person said sorry, when the old modem got taken away we can't track it down to bring back. I told them, it wasn't taken away and I'm actually using it RIGHT NOW. I was told to bring the new one to the local UPS store where it will be sent back in bulk (they also sent a postage paid label to put on,which UPS didn't want). Yet for MONTHS we were continueally charged the rental fee. I FINALLY got a customer service tech who knew what to do, and we even got credited back for the months of rental fees for the product we weren't using and didn't have, which actually covered our monthly bill for like 2 1/2 months.
When we tried to upgrade our speed we were told we'd need a new modem, so we declined. We have relatively slow speed but it works fine for us. Wish it was cheaper though.
3:27 that's why many modems have MAC Clone ;)
american ISPs really go in raw on their customers. here in UK you can get 80mbps down 20mbps up for £25 a month. about £19 is line rental which goes to bt for "maintaining and upgrading" fiber/copper network and £6 is for 80/20 internet. also you get a free modem and router (or a combo), free weekend and evening calls, and line installation is free.
Oh how I long for the day that my rental fee was “only” $8.00.
You have to RENT YOUR MODEMS?? Hahaha lame
Should buy it ...nuff said.
back when i used Comcast i always bought my own modems (i bought like 2-3). now that i have AT&T Fiber they supply the modem at no charge with my $50 + Tax plan.
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Renting has the advantage that the modem has a rolling warranty for the duration of your contract and the ISP will replace/update it when it fails, or if a non-patchable security vulnerability is discovered. Also because you are renting the hardware required to utilise a service, you can withhold payment for both if either the hardware or service fails and is not repaired within a billing cycle. This is why ISPs generally prioritise rental customers because of the potential loss of two revenue streams.
Only running a 2 Mbps connection here,
Crying everyday :(
I have 3 mbps hah... *Cries*
Me 2mbps
Ok I'll kms
Yeah same here in Germany, because you know it's not important and the internet is "Neuland" (new territory). Danke Merkel
I had mbs , i feel you :(
Mine is 512 kb and dont ask. Me how i see this video
When you call Spectrum/Xfinity they won't even tell you anymore bringing your own modem is a choice. The lady was sweet with me the whole call until I brought up bringing up my own. She then said "I mean I guess you could, It's not recommended and if not compatible we may have to bring you offline" (Seemed like an idle threat to scare away from it)
Yeah screw xfinity. I used my own modem for a while, but after multiple outages and failed tech support calls that couldn't be resolved since they can't access third-party modems directly, I just switched to leasing again. Miraculously haven't had major problems since.
Always buy if your tech savvy, but if you suck just lease it lol
Just no
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You don't have to be tech savvy to buy a modem. Look at their compatibility list. Plug it in. Call the cable company and read off the serial number to them. Done! Some are even easier than that.
@@MAGAMAN actually, you do need to be tech savvy. For one, it's the Mac address you need to give them. Not the serial number. Second, being tech savvy does save a lot of headaches having to deal with less than stellar customer service.
I've had my cable company tell me that my modem wasn't compatible with their service. If I wasn't tech savvy, I would have probably give up and just used their modem as they suggested. But I knew my modem was in fact compatible and that it even supported their fastest speeds. I pressured them and pushed them to activate it. Trust me. Cable companies aren't always the easiest to deal with. Being tech savvy or having a tech savvy friend goes a long way
@@MAGAMAN you could probably manage without being tech savvy but it's ill advised.
You forgot to say If the cable line on your Telephone Pole is not grounded and that ends up frying a modem and you own it they will not replace it for you for free you have to go out and buy another one so after that happened Twice I rent mine and that way if it Happens again They are responsible for replacing it for you
My ISP actually let me buy a modem from them and they set it up for me, it was at a fair price, and it has paid for itself already.
That is why I got a nice used Motorola stand alone (modem only) one for my network for $20 over a year ago, and it still works great. Yes I checked to see if it would work first. I have a nice Asus router for my wifi, and a nice Netgear switch for LAN.
You have to get the ID number of the modem before they will turn on the internet.
I actually wanted to do the same except for the LAN. Is it okay if I ask how your experience has been? I'm interested in getting the Motorola Mb8611 and the ASUS RT-AX88U. Do you have Xfinity? Is it worth it? May I ask what the LAN is for?
@@dareshiro oh, the SB6120 is very reliable, I only have 100mb. I got it back in Aug 2020. I have yet to need to reset it without a power frailer being involved. I also have the Asus RT-AC51U router.
Thank you for sharing, I'm definatly getting it now
I literally never heard of rental Modems
Its one of those weird American things.
@@olican101 Is it? In the UK, when I upgraded, the technician took the previous hardware back. So it must have belonged to the ISP all along.
@@olican101 no
@@smorrow Yes but we dont pay for the modems here in the UK.
@@olican101 it's just "included" in the price
AT&T U-Verse requires you to rent their Residential Gateway and there is no way around it. You must pay the 7 dollars a month , (United States)
Oh how I long for the day that my rental fee was “only” $8.00.
Still losing $96 a year plus tax, how long do plan on having internet 😑 😒 🙃 🙄, buy your own.
In Europe, ISPs are REQUIRED to have 3rd party compatibility :) Also, our Fritz!Box router, which is a modem-switch-WiFi combo box, is the literal best router not only for WiFi in Germany so combo routers aren't always that bad ;)
Here in the U.S. internet is so dogshit. ISPs in the U.S. just want to suck you dry and pay off politicians to not be forced to make internet cheaper, better, etc.
"Inevitable Rebrand" 😂
Who used a modem? The Fiber-Switch is includef with rent, if it breaks, your landlord have to pay for a new one. Router on the other hand. 🤔
_I simply rent the modem because the ones I’ve bought never really work even if they are compatible. Then, simply use it as a modem and use my own router._
I hope the modem is in dumb forward mode .. if so then that's at least a reputable move that we've done before when forced to. Now we are wiser and in a better position financially (not much just enough) we refuse to rent we demand full control.
Glen O'Riley _Exactly, you just set the stupid setting so it basically only serves to connect you and you have full control._
This is the first time I'm hearing of renting a modem... In my country the isp asks you in which room you want your cable and from there on you do whatever you want. And if it's a fiber optic cable they give you a transceiver for free.
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My ISP rents modems for free. And every few years they get you new model for free. And you can keep the old one.
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A note about DOCSIS 3.1: My ISP will not allow DOCSIS 3.0 modems on their 500Mbps or 1Gbps plans. This may not be the case with most ISPs, but it's something to check on when upgrading service. We were required to rent/purchase a DOCSIS 3.1 modem when we upgraded to 1Gbps.
u ddnt take ur shirt off... :,v
DOCSIS will always be limited by the number of 6 MHz channels available on the wire. Upstream is 0-50 MHz and downstream is 50-1000 MHz. That means maximum 8 upstream channels, so it's impossible for upstream to ever be higher than about 460 Mbps in the future. On the downstream side there are more channels, but those have to be shared with television. One 6 Mhz channel can carry one analog SD channel, about 6 digital SD channels, or 2 digital HD channels (or 3 for craptastic providers like Comcast who overcompress the video).
Bottom line, don't expect DOCSIS to get much faster than it already is now. The technology is just about hitting the maximum speeds attainable by its underlying transport, similar to the way modems maxed out at 56 Kbps. Buy the DOCSIS 3.0 modem and use it until the inevitable switch to fiber.
Based on the number of months I’m on leave, I decide whether it is worth to buy a new modem or just rent it.
I carry my last apartments modem with me in the new apartment so I really don’t have to worry about buying or renting a new one.
FTTP here and use a 64bit atom box running Sophos UTM9 as a router to our network supplied NTD. Works MUCH MUCH better and more stable than any ISP supplied underpowered rubbish box.
Have only ever once rented a modem and regretted, never again. I now supply all my own gear though we've LONG outlived an AIO crapball (freebsd router, cisco poe 24p switch, QNAP etc etc etc all in the rack in the corner.
Rent is the worst thing you can possibly do in anything.
In the long run you will always spend a lot a lot a lot more money than you would've spend upfront.
Yes, yes, yes not everyone can afford it upfront. And in you're really in such a case that you really can't do anything about that and you have to rent, then yes, rent. Otherwise never ever rent anything.
Nice defence in advance lol
Not sure you could fit any more negatives in your comment. Nah, you probably could. But I digress, there are so many arguments to be made for renting vs buying. Your choice doesn't always boil down to saving money. I won't do the research for you, but feel free to use our friend Google if you want a bit of insight. Cheers!
Obviously I’m assuming here your excluding apartments, rental cars, construction equipment, bowling shoes, and similar sorts of short term rentals when you say “in anything”. Even if where strictly talking long term rentals (outside of housing), there can still be good reasons to rent over buy for such as where a high risk of repeated product failure is a reality such say destruction by lightning, for example. In that case the cost of repeated replacement can make renting less expensive choice then frequently buying a replacement at full cost. Renting can also sometimes include greater product support then you would get with a outright purchase, making it a better choice for technologically illiterate or for products requiring higher then average knowledge/skill to properly configure and maintain.
Not everyone can afford it upfront? If you can’t afford a $40 modem you shouldn’t be paying for an internet bill every month 😂😭
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Did not know you could rent
Suddenlink and many other companies force you to use their modem/router. I have a ASUS RT AC3100 which I was still able to hook up in my home with the required equipment.
When youtube bugs and says 0 views lol
its not a bug its bad timing
Really no point of future-proofing a cable modem to up to 10 Gbps. The fastest speed you are getting over cable is 2.5 gbps.
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You might actually have got this one lol, all those fools typing out first wasting valuable seconds!
I wrote H and edited it, but still failed
_No, OP was first... as I was second and saw this as the ONLY comment._
you rent modems? isp's give you them for free and rareley want them back
This shouldn’t even be a question but unfortunately too many people are uneducated or lazy
FTTH with CenturyLink can be set up with PPPoE, and VLAN 201 tagging on any router from the ONT, so you don't have to rent their 'modem'.
go 3rd party ISP and buy the modem. it's always so much cheaper then bell, shaw, telis, Rogers, etc. plus so damn haggling or loyalty departments
....3rd party isp?
@@chillinchum in my city we only have 1 ISP
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Here in Mexico, when you pay a plan, you don't have to rent the modem, you only pay for the service but when you cut the service plan the ISP's asks for their modem or box.
Is not as easy as just buying the highest channel count modem.. There are other things to consider.. If you buy something not supported you may end up with only 1 or 2 channels working.. While the rest is unable to allocate the right frequency..
Modulation is something that ISP check on the recommended modems before they put it on their list.
Most common supported brands are Arris and Sagemcom..
Well, first some ISPs *cough* Frontier Communications *cough* need to upgrade their infrastructure to even support 40 Mbit...
WTF!!! They really charge a monthly fee for the modem in north america? In Europe they just give you one for free, my ISP even switch mine out for a new better one, FOR FREE!! they even paid for shipping.
here in the netherlands its not even common to get your own modem there are also like no modems you can buy in stores and isp do not give login information or anything
try XS4ALL, you can get a 500mbps up/down with Fritz modem.. best there is.