BLACKBRAID DRAMA AT MIDGARDSBLOT (my opinion)
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BLACKBRAID DRAMA AT MIDGARSBLOT (my opinion)
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Wow, this is some ridiculous drama.
Simple but well said at 10:29 🙏
And maybe I'm old fashioned, but a Black Metal band using Instagram to publish a "fight" like that is... I don't even have words for that, haha!
Wo du dich überall rumtreibst ... 😁 aber Recht hast du. Bin der gleichen Meinung.
@@levilima9925 That would have been something 🤣
Out of touch, would be some choice words for this.
@@El666Incubo Sounds good!
Wow farvann..yes this looks very bad for the US and blackboard is a poor representation at that
God I’m so sick of people whining and crying about racism for any minor inconvenience. It really makes these people intolerable
What an unpleasant situation. Having been at Midgardsblot once, when I read Blackbraid's posts I really couldn't believe the festival could accept any kind of racist behaviour especially against one of the artists in the bill. Your analysis here is pretty clear and realistic. I hope Jon will amend for this. I mean he's great and his career started with the best assumptions showing a good attitude especially towards the genre he's playing. Hope this was only an error soon to be forgotten.
Excellent summary of an embarrassing reaction to an otherwise explainable event. Keep up the excellent work! Love your channel!
In regard of common sense, i thank you for daring to make this feedback. I feel that all this over impulsive drive for equality drives to more diversity. I think Morgan Freeman said it best, that we end racism by stopping to talk about it, then it would be just about how one person acts towards other person. And then its just about that we wont allow a person act discriminately against other person. The answer is about people trying to not understand other people wrong, evil, first, but trying to understand right first.
Woke-ism....victim mentality...this band will lose respect from its fans...
I'M TOTALLY DISSAPOINTED OF BLACK BRIDE. IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO, THEY HAD BEEN ABLE TO AVOID ALL THIS AWKWARD SPEECH ABOUT MIDGARDSBLOT FESTIVAL. EVERYTHING SO BAD WITH THEM, THOSE BACKGROUND THOUGHTS AND WORDS ACTUALLY SUCKS... WE DON'T NEED BANDS LIKE THIS IN THE SCENE.
Well, that sucks. I can't support that band anymore. Too bad. It was cool having an indigenous band doing so well from the states. Well, at least theres some cool Aztec themed bands from Mexico still.
Any recommendations?
@@gl0ggen1 Yaotl Mictlan is one. They use native instruments but sound more authentic than this black braid. Yaotl music overall sounds more native too \m/
@@gl0ggen1 Cemican, Mictlantecuhtli. Theres also a mayan band Kukulkan.
Thx guys 🤘. @bifftannen1058 @MetalforOden
I'd like to thank the band for reinforcing stereotypes Europeans might have about Americans though.... 😐
Being metal and victim mentality should not go together
Legit had such high hopes for this band :/
Just don't invite these victims back, guy was told not to sleep there and he did what a moron, typical vicim card as per usual in this day and age.
If someone makes a claim of racism and it turns out to be BS, you should also take their past claims of racism with a pound of salt.
Hell, in 2023, I just simply don't believe them. 😎
I don't know man, Racism is pretty rich in the states. It usually comes from somewhere.
@@ConnorProductionsinc The demand far outweighs the supply.
@@cccCCCccc123ccc lol, sure bud. Let's just ignore a legacy of racism in America.
i'll be honest to you, if i saw one of the blackbraid guys at a festival, i probably wouldn't even register them as brown i would guess sicilian probably
yeah I don't think they know that,but they could be mistaken for South European with no problem.
My mum married a black man during the times in Britain where that sort of thing was really frowned upon. My mum is Maltese but moved to Britain during the war.
Being mixed race sort of puts you in this middle ground where you can see things in a different way to many. As you get older, you learn to embrace your heritage in different ways and find not only your place within that story, but see where others may be getting "lost".
Whenever I see stuff like this, I instantly think back to Rosa Parks on that bus. Think of the fear she must've felt. Think of the danger she put herself in given the time frame she did this in.
She thoughtfully considered her actions. She knew that if she got this right, millions of black people could build up from this one action... but, it would take strength, courage, intelligence and integrity on the part of whoever followed on from her in their individual lives.
These sorts of incidents not only show none of these qualities, but they are, in my opinion, an insult to her memory and to the memories of the many who made sacrifices to try and get equality for black people.
That person didn't spit in the security's face that day. They spat in the face of Rosa Parks, MLK etc.
Scandinavia are pretty advanced in terms of race equality and to bring racism there shows that the problem really exists with the people in the band, not the festival organisers or security who were essentially following law to look after all people equally.
I'm an American who's very openly anti-racist, and I FUCKING LOVE blackbraid. But this situation is completely ridiculous and I'm pretty annoyed with the band for this one. thanks for the reasonable take
Maybe this should teach you something about being so “anti racist”.
Not saying to be racist, but I bet you didn’t Titor yourself as an “anti racist” until 2016 when everyone else started doing it too because the news started propagating shit about “a rise of white supremacy” and made all minorities hate white people and made all white people scared to be called a racist so they do what you do and title themselves “anti racist”. But even when you go to these lengths to not be called a racist, when you must enforce actusl rules to a minority as a white person, you’re automatically racist.
They could have just owned up to being unprofessional.
Just imagine if they've played in Asgardsrei festival in Kiev....
Why not? Blackbraid's guitar player plays in several clear cut NSBM bands..
Gotta love this hypocrites..
To follow the rules and respect local policy laws doesn't mean "to be racist. You are absolutely correct. All of us must be loyal to the laws and rules of the places/countries we are visiting.
Whats the symbol on your necklace?
I’m from the US and even I know the issues we have here aren’t the same as issues in Europe. I love Blackbraid and will definitely still follow their music but this whole thing comes off as a cultural misunderstanding.
Lol naw spitting in a security guards face cant be dismissed as a cultual misunderstanding.
It's not a misunderstanding they're just pricks who think being native makes them special
Dam what a shameful situation I feel ashamed for blackbraid truly the only racism was from blackbraid. fuck it would be an honor just to be at midgardsblot let alone to be headlining I truly am sorry for the actions
Thank you for speaking out on this bullshit. I wanted to like these guys, but I can’t support idiots who cry wolf.
So you think the world will end because you don’t support them.
Fuckoff
Do you like the music though?
Peste Noire is one of my all time favourite band . They racist as fuck . And I am a minority in my own country
I doubt you're missing much. From what I've heard of this band, they're generic af second wave BM. There's better bands to listen to. Especially from the US. Listen to Negative Plane and Funereal Presence instead, lol
Black braid sucks balls I say that as a Choctaw Houma
Gets drunk, spits at security, asked to leave - rAcIsM
He has overdosed on woke american koolaid.
he was getting kicked out for laying down, while everyone is laying down. Maybe the security is weird and tripping
@@taylortaylor8010wrong! He was checked on because he was passed out and he lost his shit on security….that’s why they got kicked out!
@@taylortaylor8010 did you not watch the video?
"I'm sorry, I thought this was America" he was Randy Marsh the whole time.
The part about the coulor of your skin doesn't matter in Europe in order top get discriminated is so true, just look at the Balkans i mean you are Croatian and i'm sure you undertand that better than anyone how bad it can get between Bosnians, Croats and Serbians, also ask a Romanian how they can get treated in west Europe and i'm sure that a lot of them have stories of being discriminated, and all of thos groups are European and also white.
LMAO, that kind of thing is not unique to Europe (white Americans have done it to Italian, Polish and Irish immigrants, and to rural white Americans) and also it doesn't mean racism against nonwhite people is not a thing (pretty much all of the foundational Scandinavian black metal bands were explicitly and proudly racist). Not saying Blackbraid is right in this instance, but it's ridiculous to pretend that discrimination based on skin color is unheard of in the Norwegian metal scene of all places.
@@magnusdareus exactly bro, like I’m reading these comments and these Europeans are saying some of the most ridiculous shit, acting like people are solely discriminated against because where they’re from and not the color of their skin, meanwhile there is overwhelming proof of systemic racism here in Europe against brown/black people, exactly like in America. Then they say dumb shit like “tHIs iSnT aMeRiCa!” Europe has literally been doing racism based on skin color longer than America and just because American politics and society are tearing themselves apart right now they have adopted some holier than thou attitude. Absolutely delusional shit to say.
@@magnusdareusstupid comment in this context. You were not at the festival and you don't know the policy of the festival. Also, Norwegian BM is seldom NSBM, not even Vargs music is that even though he himself has some dubious political views, the hate in Norwegian BM is towards the Abrahemic god and the leadership of those religions that have terrorized those that have had another spirituality.
As the festival don't deserve to be cancelled, same goes for the band.
We all make mistakes and the band must take this as a learning lesson.
Imagine how fast a band would get cancelled being on the other side of the political spectrum....
Yup
Damn is the race card still being played in Norway? I've only seen politicians do that to get easy votes. No one I know even cares about that shit anymore. Fuck racism and fuck those who play victims.
@@brendenhull1290 lol so what are you implying then that the scene is right wing?
@@brendenhull1290it is impossible to be cancelled in the black metal scene unless you’re black braid I guess. Peste Noire still plays festivals
Horns up, Boris!
I'm mexican and last year I attended Midgardsblot. What did happen to me was that everyone was absolutely friendly with me, organization and attendants. Contrary to what everybody says about norwegians being very isolated and serious people, I discovered that, at least with latinos, they are the most helpful and kind guys that I have met in that continent, mostly the metalheads.
I can tell that we as "brown" people sometimes arrive to Europe wondering if some discrimination might show up but never happens, neither to me or any friend that has travelled to that region of the world.
To be honest, I felt angry while seeing the facts that you exposed at this video, as we could see a very frustrared and mostly sad security guard defamed as racist, just for trying to do his job. I hope this can be cleared soon by the band.
Its not about color. Its about behaviour. Its that simple.
exactly.
It isn't! You aren't native american so you probably don't know what we go through. Our struggles are highly minimized compared to the black movement. We are most of the time ignored by those who don't see us as victims of the system. I have often been harassed due to my origin and looks. It is a sad day for Norway for not being able to surpass that White-Supremacist thing that usually goes on in Black Metal Festivals. Shame.
@@levilima9925 number one,is not a black metal festival.
number two,there's no white supremacist on this grounds.
number 3,all colors and races attended this festival.
number 4,everybody admires native American history here in Europe.
Why do you think the band got big so fast?
number 4 this is not US.
if youve never been in Norway,dont make stupid accusations.
@@levilima9925 Do you really think that the festival would be held in these times if the promoters would be racists ?
@@raven4404 Let's be real: Go to ANY underground scene that features black metal bands and ask their opinions about minorities and political view in general - chances are you're probably getting lots of unpopular views and not so friendly arguments towards those groups we are talking about. I might be wrong about that festival in particular as pointed out by @Boris but I do think that having a somewhat - vague - opinion on this matter has no useful impact whatsoever. (Remember my first tip and attend the underground scene!)
Blackbraid's first instinct was to act like crybaby victims lol weak band.
I remember the rule about not falling asleep in the concert area..the guitarist spitting on the security guard and flipping out about being racially profiled, he totally behaved like an idiot.
Them bringing up American racial identity politics at a metal fest in Europe is absolutely cringe.
Everyone should bring up American woke radical identity politics, cause it is ruining the planet.
Exactly!
Is there not racism outside of America? "Racial identity politics" isn't even an academic term. That's just a dismissive buzz phrase used by people who don't understand how to engage with the conversation of racism
I'm not even saying he was targeted either. Your comment is just entirely nonsensical. You're basically just saying "you can't be discriminated against if you're not in America"
@@JosephFuckinStalin There is racism everywhere in the world. However, it's rather exclusively American thing to scream "racism" and "discrimination" at any problems in their life.
@@tomaszlucjusz113 Who is doing that? You realize that's also the most generic response you could've possibly given me? I've heard this same imaginary notion from conservatives, centrists, Nazis, incels, gamers, oddly enough all the groups that tend to be the most racist and right-leaning
This is totally ridiculous. The dude just got bent out of shape because he doesn’t want to follow the rules. Just go,sleep in your trailer or tent. I’m sure the festival give the artists a area to stay in.
Yes I've been in the backstage and every band get a private place with couches etc
he was laying on the grass, its a music fest;. than security was messing with him. the security was being authoritative.
Why do you think whites put them on reservations in the first place? This is their mode of operation.
@@taylortaylor8010You did not watch the video and are only here to challenge what people are saying and make yourself feel "virtuous". Everything you are arguing against was shown and explained in the video.
@@taylortaylor8010no he was passed out drunk after already being unruly. Security checked on him, he lost his shit and played the race card. The festival even said the band could stay just essentilly to sober up. He spits on security and further loses his shit.
Anyone at a fest who is passed out drunk security have a duty of care. Norway also has strict regulations on being drunk in pubic.
It was him who was in the wrong and pulled the victim card.
They just need to hire someone who takes away their phones while they’re drinking 😂
The people with those kinds of attitudes can not be reasoned with. Sadly this bad behavior probably wont affect their careers, too many bands, fans and promoters agree with their ridiculous world view.
nice username lol
Uhh, not in this genre I think.
their gimmick seemed alittle pretentious from the getgo, one of the band members acting this way isn't surprising sadly.
Festivals communicate with each other, and the band has likely put themselves on the list of "untrustworthy bands)
In italy there's "racism" even between two neighboring villages, it's crazy. Now I live in Finland and the events rules are pretty much the same in Norway, my cousin came to visit me and we went to a concert and they kicked us out (luckily after the concert) because we were apparently too drunk, but to be honest we were only too much loud probably (not sober but not even close to be wasted). But we said that we were sorry and we went somewhere else. I've been there after that night and it was like if anything never happened. Where they racist because we were Italian? I don't think so. Were they right when they kicked us out? Maybe, but protesting wasn't worth it 🤷🏻♂️
And something that even european people sometimes don't understand is that nordic countries are usuallu super strict about following the rules, sometimes is really annoying but that's also why nordic countries are the way they are
@@MarcoSarcognatofacts
Plot twist, dude in the band isn't Native American at all but adopted from Guadalajara Mexico, who is the racist here?
I've seen more racist (really racist) things happening here in Italy between southern italians and northern italians (as you said in the video) than in the actions of that security staff...seriously, where's the racism, bro? Seriously, I don't know any reason why to act like that, it's not even a "crywolf" (typical internet terms) or something similar...it's just idiotic behavior! Pure truth. "Racism" excuses are the top notch of idiocy on the internet sometimes: man, you're in a different Country and every Country has its own rules! The first you have to do when you go outside your Country is to inform yourself about the laws of the COuntry you're going to. It's ten thousand times better than pushing a drama on the social networks for distorted (racism...) reasons!
Yep Polentoni vs Terroni is the real thing.
Compared,this is kids jokes 🤣🤘🖤
Yes most people don't realize it's not about the color of your skin but it is about your behavior.
Some times it is about the color of your skin though, which is part of what makes things like this so shitty cause its the boy who cried wolf.
Exactly!
At the end of the day, it should be. But we're still in an era where a specific sect of folks on the "other side of the aisle" (not who you think) view people as labeled objects as opposed to human beings.
Racism via contempt.
Tell than to white supremacists who quite literally do think it’s about the color of your skin. Europeans love forgetting about the last world war then say racism or discrimination isnt about skin color. That’s such a ridiculous thing to say.
@@John-fs1zd Not really, since so many of those instances are based on observations of behavior, tied to skin. People simply adjust how they react to what they see, based on past experiences. I've never heard anyone say they just rabidly hate black and brown, or any color, just because of how it looks. Sure some are out there but from what I see, people come to dislike colors because of the behavior they have associated with its members. The skin is incidental.
True. Im from Norway and been to many festivals. self proclaimed victims i call this.
This is probably the best, most thorough, poignant and factual commentary on the internet right now. Well done. Midgardsblot and PSS have handled this situation and aftermath with utmost professionalism.
I Agree....
True!
Well Done!
I’m a professional musician, been playing and touring for most of my adult life and if I could tell any new band one thing, it’s to stay away from the alcohol and partying. It always ends in a train wreck, like what happened here with BlackBraid. Props to the security at MgB for handling this situation with absolute professionalism.
Thank you for the rational and intelligent response to all this, Boris. 🤘
What do you mean that's the only good reason to become a musician
@@GiggityGoo205how about becoming a musician to make art? You can be an alcoholic without wasting time on music.
@@AerikVon I only take advice from alcoholics sorry
@@GiggityGoo205 Your loss..
I think the problem is just ignorance on the bands part. You're going to a new area, where customs are different, and you might not know about it. This becomes an issue, because most of the melodrama over here (America), we're told that the patrons and customers are always right. So, the younger crowd (internet generation) first instinct is to pull out a phone and record whatever the situation may be. I think Blackbraid, being ignorant (not an insult) on festival customs out of the US was the main culprit. I think the security was just doing their job spot on, and have no complaints from the festival side.
It's just a little wild to me that this is still an issue. Yes, I am American (with Hispanic origins), but this is just plain fucking stupid. Sounds like another typical privileged American to me.
I think a lot of Americans have difficulties adjusting to a different "culture" in Europe. The "customer is always right" attitude might be an explanation, thatll only get you so far here. 😂
Most embarrassing and distasteful event I witnessed was when a group of Americans entered a restaurant shoving a cellphone camera into a chief waiters face at a restaurant, shouting at him and harassing him -- because he left people waiting in line outside because the restaurant was full. They also accused him of being a racist (one of the guests waiting outside was a black woman).
Everybody's so goddamn sensitive nowadays. I dig BlackBraid, I saw them recently with Dark Funeral. It seems they just expected preferential treatment because they're a band, and when they didn't get it everyone suddenly becomes a racist.
Blackbraid is it. well there goes a band i won't bother listening to haha
I find it pretty funny how people will boycott a band over some drunken belligerence but will defend literal nazis because "it's just music". Most of your favorite bands have behaved like shit at some point, there just wasn't social media to blow it out of proportion.
Is this a case of "Americans dragging their politics into other countries"?
Try learning the rules of the culture you are visiting before blaming them of disrespecting yours.
That's true
As a person of First Nations/ indigenous decent I can say a lot of our people love to blame their problems and the reasons why they are the way they are on others and make it seem like it’s their fault. Yes our people come from a long line of genocide, decolonization and the stealing of our lands and we’ve faced a lot of trama this causes some of our people to sit around feel sorry for themselves and unfortunately quite a lot of our people suffer from alcoholism and drug abuse because of this. I’ve never understood this though why not build ourselves and our people back up and show the true warriors we are and represent the long line of indigenous warriors we come from. I simply cannot get behind blackbraid on this one unfortunately pulling the race card is incredibly pathetic and annoying on their end.
Vices are just going to make shit worst.
Honestly this is a dam good comment..it's rare to see an actual mature comment
I mean, you killed each other, too. People forget (also natives like to too) that American Indians had fights and battles between them too. People today act like before any light-skinned person stepped foot on the americas, the natives where just happy, super-peaceful people, but it wasn't like that. In the beginning they kinda hoped the Spaniards can help them getting rid of the aztecs they had big problems with. They also often fought over territories and whatnot. Native Americans were warriors. You're not a warrior if you've never fought! Also the settlers peacefully BOUGHT land from the natives. Didn't happen everywhere, but it happened. Look at some african countries today. People still fighting to get some land from some tribe back or get another tribe eradicated. The Cypriots got land stolen from them too, and now they have to share half of their territory with turks. And this happened in the 20th century. You can't live in the past forever and blame all your fails on things that happened in the past to your ancestors 200 years ago or smth. Parts of my family were blown away and cremated alive during the Dresden bomb raids, and they were civilians, the youngest being 2 years old. I wasn't born back then, but i think i should hate on the brits and americans forever now.
I mean every other culture has lost land and shit so why do people act like the natives are the only ones? Last I checked tribes still fought over land...us whites were just another tribe who did the same..
@@Knochenbrigade Dude, you shoud really read less Karl May.... And bringing up the bomb raids against nazi germany in this context is stupid at best, fascist at worst. Yes, tribes weren't all lovey-dovey, still your ancesters that died in Dresden can't possibly be compared to what stimatisation and discrimination indigenous americans went trough and go through to this day. I don't defend what Blackbraid did there, I think it's stupid aswell, but your comment is hella inappropriate to the whole context.
Also is noone gonna talk about the fact that blackbraids guitarist is literally friends with nazis
I admire you for mentioning your own experience with racism. I live in the state of Oregon in the U.S.A.. As I'm sure you know my country continues to be deeply divided politically as well as on a cultural basis. When people get upset here now they tend to let their anger out without thinking about the consequences. It's a bad habit, but so many give into so often that I believe they think that it is acceptable behavior, which it obviously is not.
I hear ya , I get that a lot here in NYC and it’s not white people
Found the racist…
I live in ga in the U.S.A., and I'm not excusing racist people of any color but now of recently it is becoming popular to hate white people as if we are all evil when there are some of us who are just trying to live and let live.
Great level headed video. It might interest some of you that in Norway, if you are totally sober, as in not had a single drink, but you fall asleep on a premises where alcohol is served, you will be shown the door. It is very important that people look into situations to uncover the facts before making up their own narratives. I know, emotions run high and it becomes increasingly hard not to act out, but the fact is that emotions alone is not a good pathway to truth. If you reside in Norway, you can take on look at this whole story and it becomes quite accessible to connect the dots. You wanna know why? Because all of us blokes (and probably a few girls) whom live in this country have at some point or another been kicked out of venues and bars for the very same reason(s). So these discussions with security seen in the video are extremely familiar to us, even down to some guy on the sideline injecting himself into the argument. This video is even a separate argument, the spitting has already occurred and they are still on the festival grounds. I seriously doubt they would be so forgiving towards someone living here, just my opinion. I also see a lot of equivocation fallacies by people that support the band. Just because one can point to racism in a separate event/situation, does not automatically give weight to the bands claims in this specific situation. Stop making non-sequitur points on unrelated matters. Racism is very real, in Norway as everywhere else, but calling out accountability, (where there is non), to avoid your own accountability does us all a big disfavor. I guess the only people that really gleefully benefit by all this are the people that are actually racist. Due to the polarizing divide between what are ultimately good people. I do not want to shit on the band, they might genuinely have been confused in the heat of the moment. But at this point, where several facts are pretty much readily available to everyone, the proper thing to do would be to at least acknowledge you might have taken the fast track to a faulty conclusion. I am a Norwegian citizen, I worked in bars for 10 years, even took an "education" in bar-tending which focuses heavily on the legality side of the business. I work in HR today, I am a metal-guy and I have a immigrant background. Of course, this does not make me right by default, but perhaps it offers a good insight and perspective.
All Nordic countries.. Steelfest does the same in Finland. I was meditating during a Nightbringer gig and was made to stop and stand up, or leave the festival area..
Thank you, man! Good insight and perspective.
This law is in place for your safety. When stumbling upon a unconscious individual, it is hard to discern between if said person is resting, drunk/high or even dead. The law is there to prevent tragic outcomes. If the law was absent, security might be less prone on checking in on each and every individual. One can agree or disagree with the law. Many feel that grown-ups dont need this level of baby-sitting. Psychologically, it can truely be percieved as pandering when the recipient is in a vulnerable state. (And this case carry a ton of potential vulnerbilities: inibriation, jet-lag, exhaustion, foriegn country, language barrier, past experiences, cultural, sociological and political differences). But wether one agrees with this law or not, is a seperate political matter.
Can I with 100 percent certainty say the band didnt encounter any racism at the festival? No, I was not present, but the specific complaints presented by the band themselves, pluss the videos accompanying these complaints just shows security doing what they are bound to do by law. Can a law be exploited to target a specific group? Yes, it happens all the time. But given the sleeping, the spitting, the video evidence, the complaints/discription of the situation rendered by the band themselves, and the history of outcomes for this spesific scenario, concluding with racial motivation is just too problematic.
Make no mistake, security can be total dicks, but there is no auto-correlation between being a dick and being a racist. And to be perfectly clear, in this instance, I do not even think the security seem particularly dicky. (My opinion).
Well said and added good man, hope you’re doing well Yusaf my friend!
If you visit Norway from some other european country, not including Sweden and Denmark you'll need fortune to get drunk 😂. It's easier there to make alcohol, even Norwegians say it's expensive for them
In America, everybody is playing the victims. Victmize is the thing of the moment now
As a Canadian who grew up next to a reserve, there is racism, but people often conflate FOLLOWING RULES with racism out of convenience and to get attention.
I've been through racism, and i'm a caucasian canadian. Believe it or not, i even been through "caucasian VS caucasian" racism. Woke sh*t is completly destroying us.
: This is true. Racism is borne of ignorance. There are rules that apply to everyone & pulling the race card to avoid consequences of their actions is pathetic.
Oy vey
In the U.S. a lot of black people think that being expected to follow rules is racism. And I mean any rules
I'm shocked to see that all of this involved natives drinking.
Never heard of an indian drinking and causing a commotion.
The victim mentality has spread to the metal scene. So sad to see..
Rather than being spread I'd say that finally it has come to the black metal scene. It was about time to have a counter-offensive to the white supremacists that exist in the scene..
It hasn't been sex drugs or rock n roll for quite a while now. Guitar nerds ruined the scene. Circle of Tone has a decent critique.
Nerds and pansies ruin everything
It's been like that for a while. It's been poisoning black metal for way too long.
Hahaha fuck. Well this should really help their already terrible reputation in the black metal community...
I've lost all respect for Blackbraid after all this nonsense.
"Dont let past traumas ruin your career, because you are doing so good." That was so well said and so true in your video. I can't agree with you more on this whole situation. I am American. We are not all closed minded and think this way. Its actually embarrassing. Anyways, I am mixed Latina, Native American off my moms side and European off my fathers side. I liked that you brought up the fact that Europeans respect Native American culture. And I totally get that as there are alot of similarities. I always thought that was so awesome. But alot of people do not know that, especially here in the states. I have been following Blackbraid since the beginning and have been a fan. So to hear all of this is deeply saddening. Im so sick and tired of the race card that everyone loves to pull. As you said, I do understand why he thinks like this as well. But come on dude. It sounded far from being that at all. He truly made a fool of himself. If anything this wouldve been an opportunity for brothers to unite and come together! Shame. Hopefully he has learned from this. Thanks for this video. You said it all perfectly!
HAHAHA "since the beginning" 18 months ago fucking people!
More anti-white hatred disguised as compassion, disgusting.
nazi considered native americans to be aryan and would have given the land back to them
I think a lot Of EU festivals or venues will think twice before inviting them to play.
Well said! Indeed trauma needs healed, until then,unity seems impossible at this point.
I was really wondering what your opinion will be on this melodrama, I am very glad that you chose to be rational and not blindly rely on what the band said. I lost all respect for the band because of this behavior. Truth above all!
Same here. I will not support a band or person that acts irrational in this way, and also plays the race card, for what seems to be no reason at all. They acted like drama queens and were very unprofessional about the whole situation.
@@stevendelossantos9391on top of that, telling the fans who asked for explanation to “fuck off” is an extremely rotten behavior that says a lot about you as person. Any band or band member that treats their fans like that deserves no support
There's alot of brown people in the u.s. that don't like blackbraid
Hey, as European (Slovenia) I feel like Americans mostly don't understand, that they can't just play race card in Europe, because people won't give a fuck. There is a lot of "racism" between our countries (hey even between Slovenia and Croatia:) ) but a lot of it is considered as jokes and people don't get offended by it. It's hard to explain this, but like you said, they saying that security "is targeting brown people" is just laughable to me, and I can imagine this would play out VERY differently in USA. this is my short rant. I Still support and love their music, but I also have nothing against this festival. I don't want to act like know better than anyone, but just please stop with playing victim everytime you need take responsibility
honestly, we can't really know anything. None of us were there and we will only make biased assumptions. The band is great, the incident embarrasing regardless of who is right or not and the first time I saw Boris, I thought he was native American until I heard his accent.
Probably the best comment on this.
Ahh of course typical merican being sensitive over something they dont know and pull race card
My ex is italian. She was kicked out in a pub once after drinking 3 small beers for sleeping here in Norway. So the colour thing is bullshit for sure.
Sadistic Intent has played there and probably alot of other mexican bands.
We want a tryglav tour! 🇧🇷 🤘🏻
Oh no..
The "I have a victim mentality, everything is racist" is now in Europe that's not good. 😅
It's spreading like a disease sadly. I'm over it!
his guitar player plays in nsbm bands..
@@JdjdbNdjdb
Ah nice which bands?
@@LeaveNoTrashBehind Ixachitlan, Mäleficentt, Metztli, Viento, Voces, Yohualli, Maquahuitl. only the last band is any good really. HOWEVER. if you want to get deep into indigenous and mexican NSBM or even hawaiin nsbm(guy lives in seattle though) i recommend the entire ONSP roster- Band Genre Country
A.R.M. Black Metal/RAC Mexico
Camaxtli Black Metal Mexico
Comando de Exterminio Black Metal Mexico
Dragón de Hierro Black Metal/RAC Mexico
Eztlacuani Black Metal Mexico
Kommando Pagano Raw Black Metal Mexico
Kukulcan Folk/Pagan Black Metal Mexico
Mictlan Raw Pagan Black Metal/Ambient Mexico
Nahual Ambient/Black Metal Mexico
Nordglanz Black Metal, Neofolk Germany
Sangre y Terror Black Metal Mexico
Teyaotlani Ambient Pagan/Black Metal Mexico
Tlateotocani Raw Black Metal Mexico
War Command Black Metal Mexico
Yaocuicatl
and the hawaiin one, not really as i said hes in and from seattle- Kūka’ilimoku
Its been in Europe for a while now, just check the protests a few years ago.
Damn this scalated so fast, and it was for nothing, I'm kinda disappointed about they behaviour.
Thanks for covering this from a different cultural perspective than what American media outlets have. Given the state of racial tensions in the states it's easy for media outlets to jump to conclusions over here. Having some semblance of nuance and balanced conversation is much appreciated.
In America we are put in a box by race Ive been on other countries and was simply called an American. My skin is brown
Blackbraid and Goatmoon should play together for cultural sensitivity.
And der Sturmer. Also storm front 88. Hate forest. Satanic warmaster.
Or Absurd
@@Stigmatix666 Lol, they would all be culturally enriched, it's a shame that it's war in Ukraine so there isn't Asgardrei festival in Kiev where he would be the special guest, playing with Peste Noire, Goatmoon, Absurd, Nokturnal Mortum,Graveland, M8L8TH and other culturally sensitive Europeans- I mean Finns, Poles, Ukrainians at least didn't participate in killing Indians, Redskins, Native Americans, Aztects, Tainos, Incas- it was all done by Spaniards, Portuguese and Anglo-Saxons - Ukrainians for example were killed en masse , 6 millions by bolsheviks in Holodomor , before that they and Russians in the 18th century kicked back in Anadolia asian turkish invaders and their allies Crimean Tatars, they killed and enslaved millions of white people from today's Ukraine, Greece, Bulgaria, Croatia, Hungary where we are natives. Not to mention Armenian genocide in 1915-1923, Assyrian and Pontic Greek genocide- 4, 5 millions of people killed-but hey, it's not worth mentioning only villain was Hitler and nazi Germany who killed millions of Jews
Jon is Mexican born, in Guadalajara...
Exactly, and all while claiming to be Kanienʼkehá꞉ka aka Mohawk. Nah dude, thats just more lies from ya Jon. Mohawk is just the tribe with more proximity to where he grew up in New York after being adopted.
Dudes whole image is built on lies.
You've done right for doing this video, 'cause we don't give a f#&k for skin color around here🤘🤘🤘🤘
This is the state of American politics in a nutshell.
Victimhood everywhere.
A lot of natives in the USA live really who says they hate natives ? he's mad he didn't get the golden treatment he's used to. Spitting in some ones face like that is a privileged person who looks down on some one not a minority used to being abused its bully behaviour.
This whole drama is insanely childish and shines a very embarrassing light on blackbraid...
So he pulled the "racist-card"...
Playing black metal while pulling out the PC racist card. How pathetic.
Black metal has gotten too soft
2:50 Thanks for this part, I feel like if something happened, and people ask what the problem was, an explanation should be given, otherwise it’s quite Invalide What he says.
Also attacking All white people as a whole just because some individuals said something that bothered/offended him would be considered racist as well if the cards were reversed, but sadly when it comes to this sort of stuff, most people don’t look with the same eyes upon it.
The video he showed kinda felt like it wasn’t really an instance of racism, but some form of complex that he may have. „Huh I’m being criticized ? Must be because I look different, no way I am wrong“…heard this shit a hundred times before…
seems like those guys have been through lots of bad shit in their country and now they react dramatically to everything that could resemble their previous trauma...and alcohol on the top of it, ...man....! So sad.....I am sending lots of light and healing to those souls./ I bet that whatever festival it was and it will be, they will find the way to be dramatic..trauma multiplied with alcohol alwas brings negativity. Such a low frequency of energy. /
I'm black, born in Europe, I'm a black and death metal fan and I agree with everything that was said in this video.
Good on you for calling out BS! 👍
Your words and opinion are all legit Boris, I wish everyone thinks like you!
I’m Norwegian and this is common practice at festivals. This is a case of ignorant Americans travelling abroad and not understanding certain cultural norms. I love Blackbraid’s music but spitting on someone, regardless of how you perceive the situation to be, is never acceptable. It is one of the biggest acts of disrespect here. Shameful behaviour!
It's not an "ignorant American" custom to spit on people, my friend. Please do not lump us ALL together as ignoramuses. I realize most Americans that can afford to travel are a bad example, but I find it a little offensive that your conclusion from this is "ignorant Americans". It is very offensive to spit on someone in America, too. 😂 If you didn't know that, then that would make YOU ignorant... And kind of bigoted towards Americans. We are not all alike.
To be fair, sleeping on a hill, even for an artist, in an American festival wouldn't have been frowned on when I was still going to them. Odd, but perfectly fine at a long one.
@@N8_H8 Allow me the opportunity to correct myself by saying *ignorant people. Not just Americans. Ignorance exists everywhere, unfortunately, but that’s just a part of life!
Blackbraid sounds like a communist band.
Apparently with a NSBM guitarist for good measure of hypocrisy
This is a really bad look for them. I like Blackbraid's music but this identity politics stuff makes me uncomfortable. I feel like they have some hatred towards the community deep down and assume the worst of everyone when challenged.
I, speaking as a Czech guy, have never encountered any racism or discrimination towards Native Americans in Europe. If anything, I have always experienced people that praise them and even are fascinated by the culture.
Lol how many Native Americans are actually even in Europe to begin with? Your average American doesn’t even have a passport and when you factor in how poor native Americans are generally, I couldn’t imagine many are here in Europe at all. And of course you’ve never encountered racism or discrimination towards them, YOU ARENT NATIVE AMERICAN. I’ll never understand people who say shit like that. It’s like bro you’re not even the culture your pretending to be an expert on, of course you haven’t experienced what they go through.
That guy is not even native. That it the craziest lie about them.
@@mattt8070 ok that is an absolutely ridiculous statement with zero proof to back it up. Do you think a white man who culturally appropriated native american culture would actually have any success in the scene in this day and age? He would have been cancelled or just completely ignored by people in the scene. Absolutely absurd baseless statement bro.
@@protolexis that dude is white and scam and shit load of his "native american" turd. just wait. playing a racist card gets you a serious redicule in Europe. if you are not from Europe which I think you are not, you can kindl fuck off my reply button.
@@mattt8070…how is he not native?
This actually sounds like the majority of "native Americans" I've encountered online...
Good Video Boris. I think that people can make mistakes, get upset and react and lash out. maybe after some time things will seem different. I am a fan of Blackbraid, and this is upsetting to me. Thank you for making this video.
The dude makes good music but he deserved to be carried out of that festival! If he acts like he did there at other festivals he should not be allowed to play anywhere ever.
I (a white norwegian guy, from the same city Midgardsblot is in) did almost the same thing as him at the first day of the first Midgardsblot, in 2014. I was half asleep, did argue a bit with the guards...not enough to be carried out though, was just followed to the gate :-p
I was allowed in again the next day. And every day every year after .
Well said!
My best mate is indigenous Australian so he has very dark skin and is a black belt metal head. He went to Europe for a year with work and went to all the metal festivals he could fit in. He told me that he was blown away by the welcoming atmosphere of the Black/Death metal crowds above all. He told me that he gets and hears more bullshit In mainstream music festivals.
I hope Blackbraid gets it together and rises above this. His music is amazing!
I'm koori too bro & always going to Punk/hardcore & metal shows in Sydney & nobody treats me any different ⚫️💛❤
I ve heard both their albums.For me, there is nothing special with this band. They failed to reach my black metal heart. i consider them just a trend for youngsters. Sad they had such an immature behaviour. Still, there is no need to cancel them, i hope they learn from their mistakes.
Learn to handle your drink or don't drink.And maybe get that chip off your shoulder.
Oof. No hate but I think I'll think twice before I throw my money at them again and support bands with some actual integrity.
I love Blackbraid but this is an L 🤦🏽♂️
hello boris, wasn’t going to comment but changed my mind. my mom migrated here from croatia and dad from italy here to us , i am 56 years old now, i grew up alot of my childhood on a native american reservation learned there culture and made many friends!! perfect what you said concerning the situation at festival. im not defending their actions but would like to defend them as people, our fkd up racism over here is unfortunately still fkd up as other parts of the world. i’ve seen firsthand from living on reservation this racism from white people, the stigma from white people here towards native americans has a long history and im only speaking about my experiences growing up there in the late 70’s, so i understand the white people comment, its ingrained in them from their experiences and past! they have been through alot im sure so if a white person comes at them well they go to that as first reaction, you are right you have to stop and think, they were in a place in norway totally different culture playing around the world they have alot to learn, but i want people to understand their culture as well and why probably their reaction, hope everyone gives them a chance to perform their art, ive been waiting years to see a native band like this come into the metal scene to represent their culture through metal, im hoping the community will give them this chance to learn from this, and yes grow up !!! we all make mistakes and we are all brothers in metal 🤘love what you have been doing boris hail brother!
Its a tricky topic and obviously the security is not racist here. However i read few people in the comment that claim to have lost respect for the band due to this and this is funny, whent a idiot black metal band make racist comment and have racist behavior (emperor (not counting ihshan), Marduk, Burzum, early Darkthrone...) So many people claim that we should make a difference between the political view and the music. What is the logic in this.
I totally agree with everything you said here, Europe is not America and tensions in Europe have always happened because of large number of things beyond the color of the skin like history, politics, religion, economics, etc. The fact is Europe is not America and rules are simply different here.
The security chief did a brilliant job explaining the protocols to blackbraid and those are the rules IN MOST CONCERTS for bands. Blackbraid your guitarist made a mistake and had a hissy fit and reacted over bullshit. Blackbraid are fucked touring in Europe now because of ignorance
That band just lost all the credit - that all holding my phone in your face to do live drama on the internet, wow, talk about trye black metal spirit. If anything, it showed how woke and strong victimehood cutlure is in the US because that type of video could only come from the US.
Completely agree with you Boris....But come on Blackbraid:/, Europe is not like America
I don't think he's necessarily experienced a lot of racism just because he's Native American. More likely he's been programmed to think that all white people are responsible for the struggles his people have faced. He doesn't understand that what he's doing is racist as well. He's angry, and a drunkard. Is that a surprise for a black metal musician? Even though I think he was foolish and embarrassing, I still love Blackbraid's music.
This is a typical North American victimhood mentality. You represent more than yourself when in another country. You represent your whole country and your hometown if you’re in the states. This is a great way to make people dislike Americans, if they care for us at all, by acting like this. One day the privilege of being American is going to become a liability. Let’s start acting like we are proud of where we come from and represent ourselves with honor and dignity.
People already dislike americans - they're loud, arrogant, and love to bomb countries across the planet for no reason other than stealing resources.